Beginners' guide to runners

[oldrider]

I have just read this curious thread and wonder to myself, what did it set out to achieve, what value does it add?

I personally make no judgement as I don't know many of you except on this forum.

What went through my mind as I read on was the news item I kept hearing all morning on the radio!

5 road deaths over the holiday week end. 3 of them were caused by "Motorcycles"!

How many of the listeners who might have also read this thread, would back us on any claim we might make for a better deal for motorcyclists?

You are free to express yourself however you like madboy and so is everybody else but remember that you reap what you sow!

Be careful out there, we may need a few friends among the cagers general public and officials to be successful with some of our urgent key issues.

Would the tenure of this thread help us in our hour of need if such people were to read it while listening to the news?

I don't make this post in judgement, just thinking out loud as to what value does the thread really contribute to biking? Cheers John.

[texmo]

Hey madboy think I can do a runner on my scooter?

[justsomeguy]

Hey madboy think I can do a runner on my scooter?

Only one way to find out

[N4CR]

Thaught you already had..... or am I getting mixed up?

[spudchucka]

Spudchuka> If you can't be bothered to read the whole thing, then maybe you shouldn't bother to post an irrelevent reply either eh?

If I've seen one blow hard post on this subject I must have seen a thousand or more. Frankly it aint worth bothering to read. Somebody asked what we pigs thought about it so I gave my opinion and I didn't need to read the entire post to form that opinion.

[jadmac]

I wonder what Helen on her Step-Tru 80 would have done, had she been stuck in Waimate wanting to get to a rugby game in Welly?

[spudchucka]

Oh come on Spud. Not like you to jump in with out looking first. Without reading it you are making assumptions. It was a bit more than 'I'm the runner king,' etc. All in all it was a clinical analysis of the pros and cons of doing a runner. As a lot of posters have said, it's an interesting read no matter what side of the fence 'one' is on.

Skyryder

It bored me after the first sentence. I skimmed over the rest of it and I found no interest in it at all. Madboy can do what he wants, he can recruit apprentices if he wants to, write the book of runners if thats what turns his crank but shit man the subject is utterly boring to me. Do you think this conversation is something new to me? I mean to say, having been on the other side of numerous "runners" I don't really have any need or desire to read anybody elses ramblings on the subject. Some get away with it, others don't, some get a one way trip to the morgue and others get to post their experiences on kiwibiker forums. Like I said before, every dog has his day, for better or worse, it depends on what cards you're dealt on the day.

[madboy]

I'm reading this thread with great interest. Because I'm having real trouble trying to work out Madboy.

I was hoping my post could be read for what it was, which was an analytical approach to runners. It was never intended to be a post saying "I'm so cool, let's all hold hands and do a runner", there were no comments about how quick a rider I am, nor about suggesting people go do runners. On the contrary, I felt it was fairly balanced and presented some good reasons why not. I am sorry that some have misinterpreted it. But if some young twat on a bike fancies his ZZR250 against the 5-0, I'd rather they went into it with their eyes open understanding the consequences, rather than reading many of my (and others) more flippant posts that have painted runners thru more rosey lenses.

Dafe, I am disappointed that you may be one who has misinterpreted my post. For your opinion is one of the few on this site that I do value, mainly because you're one of the few people here that I know and actually like as a real person in real life. You won't see me doing dodgy stuff on a ride with you, or on particular group rides. Why do you think I buggered off and left you alone the other day? Why do you think I went out on a ride on my own in the first place? Given recent events, and knowing your views, the back end might have been more alpha-numerical.

You ask why the plate if I'm struggling to keep up with the hardcore? Well before I answer that, ask yourself why I struggle to keep up with the hardcore. Could it be because I ride to MY limits, which are way below my bike's. Is that a bad thing? Should I go and get some more track time so I can get my knee down chasing some of the fellas here over the takas? What sort of margin for error does that leave? Or perhaps I should work on my wheelies? Cos hey, it's okay to send the bike into the armco on a tight twisty section of SH2, or slide it down the mway from a wheelie gone bad, just so long as you're one of the chosen few. But you're a cock smoker if you wind it up in a straight line, and God help you if you pass a group ride in the process. Or should I ride slower, not practice wheelies or knee down shit in public, knowing that really if push came to shove there was something left in reserve if the unthinkable did happen? Running from the cops isn't a test of outright riding ability - hell no, otherwise there's a few posters here who would be immune to the law.

Plates - there are two ways to avoid people reading plates. One is go blindingly fast, and the other is to disguise/remove it. Going blindingly fast isn't my first choice.

Time and place. Yep, I've made a couple of bad judgements over the years. And I've paid for some them. But some here might just like to think carefully about how perfect they are before mud gets flung.

[Dafe]

Cheers for your reply Madboy, Fair enough - I know there are alot of things you've taken into consideration, but on such an extreme topic, alot of people will simply see past that and will look directly at the ultimate repercussions that may result.

The game the Wellycrew are playing is a far safer one than the game you play. Yes, riding within your limits is the only way to ride. I wouldn't know anybody else that has so much room for improving true road riding skill, yet engages in such an extreme and risky game.

You can compare the wheelies and hoons up the takas, but nobody else thinks they're comparible.
I've seen you buzz past me at 230 on the motorway, riding in the oncoming double lanes with three cars approaching you, luckily all in the slow lane and none decided to pull out. Had something happened, the result could have spread right into the group rides path as well as most likely certain instant death for you.

Those risks we could all do without.

The main thing that gets me. Is that you're attracting alot of attention, as many have already stated. And yes, it is all of us that become unpopular with the Police. This takes away alot of the leniency that the police would normally show us. It also means that cops begin to target motorcyclists too.

At the end of the day. When you ride and you consistantly take those risks, you are going to end up distancing yourself from other riders, as a few KB'ers have already expressed by their plain opinions.

[scumdog]

Plates - there are two ways to avoid people reading plates. One is go blindingly fast, and the other is to disguise/remove it. Going blindingly fast isn't my first choice.

I am most curious as to WHY you don't want people to read your plate, is it maybe because your riding style is prone to attracting a lot of attention to said plate???????????

[White trash]

That's right MB, your post didn't say any of that. Every other "runner" post you've made DID imply it.

There's two types of people. Those that "talk" and those that "do". I've a sneaking suspicion that you're more of the former as you make such a song and dance about it on a public forum. Guess what. You're not "faceless" on the internet. Almost every Wellington KBer knows exactly who you are and a lot know where you live. If you really were responsible for baiting cops even a fraction of how often you say you do, they wouldn't have to look too far to find you.

Bikes are a funny thing. You'll meet the wickedest people riding bikes but for some reason, you'll also meet more than your fair share of shit talkers.

There's a big bloke wearing Spidi leathers riding an 05 ZX10 that hangs around at the top of the 'Tukas that you'd probably be able to swap stories with for hours. You guys should get together.

To the brainless fuck that gave me a neg rep for being "uncool" and "threatening": Can you read? I don't see a threat in there.

[White trash]

Absolutely no threat to anyone else but yourself stepping off a bike in a wheelie gone wrong in the middle of a motorway. I know, I've done it.

MB, you're not a bad bloke, it's just that from the second you got a bike you've been wanking on about running from the cops. Both on here and in person. It's bullshit. I think it's childish, egotistical, self promotion. And i even question the thruthfullness of it, otherwise, why the hell would you post it?

[Bangbug]

Absolutely no threat to anyone else but yourself stepping off a bike in a wheelie gone wrong in the middle of a motorway. I know, I've done it.

MB, you're not a bad bloke, it's just that from the second you got a bike you've been wanking on about running from the cops. Both on here and in person. It's bullshit. I think it's childish, egotistical, self promotion. And i even question the thruthfullness of it, otherwise, why the hell would you post it?

Now is the "stepping off a bike" thing meant to be sarcastic?
I'm thinking if i had a 180kg bike coming down the middle of the motorway i'd be alittle apprehensive as to where it may end up. Seeing as an alternator to the face can mess someone up for life i wouldn't want to try a motorbike.

But i may have it all wrong.

I'm not saying that you shouldn't do wheelies in the middle of the motorway, sounds like great fun. Be a hero to all the lads (and some ladies ) that see ya.

I like the quoting your own quotes thing. Lol. Can't get enough of that whitetrash stuff!

[Two Smoker]

Now is the "stepping off a bike" thing meant to be sarcastic?
I'm thinking if i had a 180kg bike coming down the middle of the motorway i'd be alittle apprehensive as to where it may end up. Seeing as an alternator to the face can mess someone up for life i wouldn't want to try a motorbike.

Every crash ive hard, the bike has slid faster and further than i have... The bike is also pretty predictable where it is going to slide... The only thing you have to worry about is what your going to hit... Or what cars behind you are going to hit you...

As for this thread ive stayed out of it and just watched... Im not innocent, but i dont tell people how to do runners, or what runners ive done, and other than race reports i dont say how fast i ride on the roads... But personally i think this thread should have been created, but titled Why not to do runners, and worded slightly differently...

I believe there is a time and a place.. For instance if you have to do a runner you were probably speeding in the wrong place... You can get by with opening up the throttle every so often and still not get pinged... You have to pick you places i.e.extemely deserted, and not known to have police on the roads... But then again im not condoning speeding either...

A couple of unwritten KB rules (since ive been here a while)

-Dont brag about doing runners
-Dont brag about how fast you, because i can garuntee that there is someone here that is quicker than you... For instance Loosebruce, WT etc are about as fast on the road as you can go. They dont go bragging, but they have a reputation... I dont brag about how fast i am on the track because Shaun Harris can come along and tell me how slow i am...

Best thing to do... ride your own ride safely.... And dont go bragging about it...

[Bangbug]

No im not worried about the person slipping of im worried about the bike going places. As if you are lowsiding a bike, hold on like a coward and slide down the road next to it, with a bit of luck it'll stand up and chuck you back on board. but what im saying is its hard to judge just where a bike will go.
This topic is too square. I want to go back to where i am comfortable. Nonsensicle rambling........