Who just watched the article on Closeup about the teen done for dangerous driving?

[oldrider]

Yes, I saw it and it does not look good for the Police but then the program was on TV!
I will wait and see both sides before I make up my mind.
The truth will out but I hope it will be the real truth and real justice will prevail.
Close enough to home for me to keep abreast of the situation.
Actually I think it is right on Jantar's back door?
I had an incident with a Cocky near Waimate, almost exactly the same.
He was sitting on the side of the road then just pulled straight out in front of me, no indication, didn't even look. BANG!!!
I was doing 100kph at the time but it all happened in very, very, slow motion.
Lucky no one was hurt, recked both vehicles!
I think the boy has a good case on the evidence the program produced, but!??? lots of questions yet I would say. John.

[sAsLEX]

.. something along the lines of the cop is of higher integrity than the 17 yr old kid .. or words basically to that effect

justice .. what blardy justice

Now where is this list of Integrity how would it go?

1. Judges
2. Military Officers
3. Cops
4. Preists
5. mums
6. 17 year olds

Phew my word is better than cops I can blatently lie in court and get away with it, if that list was true, wonder where the true list is?

[Sketchy_Racer]

I still can't figure out, with all that 'evidence' against the cop, that the cop still won??!!

There would have to be someother bullshit around the case than what was shown...... surely!!

From what i have seen I'm still Pissed at how the police have gone about it.

[chanceyy]

The most damning part IMO was the fact that the accident happened 25mtrs past the driveway the cop was supposedly turning in to, The skidmarks proved that. Also, isn't there an offence called 'turning right without due care'
Whatever, the officer's word was believed and the young guy branded as a liar, the witnesses mistaken, and the experts evidence discounted. I will be very surprised if the police go ahead with their claim for damages. As they are quick to point out.

The case is now closed.

The case is closed from the cops point of view .. but what about the young lad whose going to have a record .. issues with insurance, no licence for the next 6 months, and $600 fine .... based on the evidence .. i sure hope its not closed ...
will make for interesting follow up

[laRIKin]

didn't see the program. but as far as I know if you run into the back of someone reguardless of the fact he cut you off your to blame,I think they see it as he should have been able to stop in time, if the other person hit him I think thats a different story, still could be wrong, can't help but feel sorry for the guy

Since you did not see the program I will try to just out line the crash.
The Cop was hit in the middle (or near enough to it) on the right hand side of the road on the right side of his vehicle.
With skid marks from the car were going from about the centre to the right side of the road as the lad tried to swerve to miss the cop's LWB pickup.
The pick up had gone passed the corner that he said he was turning in to when hit.
Because of the turning circle of his vehicle, you would have to be way to the left of the road and properly just off the road to do a one movement "U" turn.

So it looks like he went passed the corner he wanted to go down, as he had seen a wandering cattle beast that could have caused a accident.
So pulled left to do a "U" turn to control the cattle beast and warn traffic.
Did not see the car, so there was a crash.
An honest mistake to me, that is if you believe the TV program.

The Cop said that he stopped in the middle of the road and was doing a right hand turn and was crashed into my the young lad.

Draw your own conclusions.

[mdb]

I still can't figure out, with all that 'evidence' against the cop, that the cop still won??!!

There would have to be someother bullshit around the case than what was shown...... surely!!

From what i have seen I'm still Pissed at how the police have gone about it.

Evidence doesn't necessarily make it into court ...

[Dafe]

It's been a long while since the NZ Police Force had any integrity.

The Government has dealt to that, simply by lowering the entry standards and ultimately allowing individuals like Bykey Cop into the force.

This labour government is a huge downfall for this country.

Unfortunately, too many New Zealanders are either too ill educated about polictics or they're a beneficarie/refugee.

If you were a beneficiarie or refugee and you arrived into this country, you would be so thankful, you would forever devote your votes to labour. There are now 250,000 refugees living in New Zealand.
If you didn't like working and prefer to receive a government benefit so you can stay home all day, you'd vote labour to ensure you keep that benefit coming in.

Also, this government is all about Political Correctness Bullshit! Which is leading to our third world development in unbelieveable time.

We are a becoming a country of bludgers, this is supported by Labour, and there are so many bludgers now that it will be near impossible to overcome the labour votes of all the losers we have in this country.

Best advice for anyone, Join the 600 working immigrants that leave our shores for Australia, every week. They happen to be the intuitive contributing types, not the bludging non-workers like we bring in!

[Ixion]

I still can't figure out, with all that 'evidence' against the cop, that the cop still won??!!

...

17 year old kid, in the eyes of the law is automatically wrong. Sorry, but that's just the way it is. Judge just sees a fine upstanding guardian of the law on one hand, some young kid on the other. Odds are he (the judge) is probably half senile anyway, so he doesn't hear half the evidence, and doesn't understand the half he does hear. Just a kid on one side, cop on the other. Guilty of everything.

[chanceyy]

Evidence doesn't necessarily make it into court ...

or makes it to court but is disregarded .. after all the cop is honorable .. and believable ..

no weight was given to the evidence of the eyewitnesses who could testify to the cop ute just prior to accident ... or to the expert testimony from the crash scene investigator (who also has done crash scene investigations for the police)

when blatent evidence is presented and disregarded how can anyone have faith in the justice system .... after all the police presented their own findings .. did not hear mention of an independant investigator from the prosectution side !!!!

[oldguy]

I still can't figure out, with all that 'evidence' against the cop, that the cop still won??!!

From what i have seen I'm still Pissed at how the police have gone about it.

As I said earlyer,
Wow he hit a cop!!!! your always going to lose that one.

[Mental Trousers]

It was on tv so it must be true .......

Not defending the cops or judge, but tv shows are the single worst thing to base an opinion on. They have a wee habit of selectively leaving out bits to make the story look good. No way would I trust anything on a tv show.

[NordieBoy]

From the 'evidence' shown, the police holden rodeo was parked in the grass on the left hand side of the rode. He then (according to the evidence) went to make a U turn and turned into the path of the teen driver. The teen driver hit him in the drivers door at a 90degree angle. Definatly not a arse end.

Failure to stop within half the available distance.

[chanceyy]

It was on tv so it must be true .......

Not defending the cops or judge, but tv shows are the single worst thing to base an opinion on. They have a wee habit of selectively leaving out bits to make the story look good. No way would I trust anything on a tv show.

ahhh MT .. me either .. and yes the story was from the defense side . however kid could not remember accident, therefore this was based on the evidence .. and since the judge discounted or discredited both witnesses and evidence .. felt the story sure has merit

the kid was going to plead guilty from the start as he could not remember and thought he was probably in the wrong .. the evidence said otherwise and that is why he fought the charge

[Skyryder]

The Cop said that he stopped in the middle of the road and was doing a right hand turn and was crashed into my the young lad.

I'm having a stab in the dark here as I did not see the programme................but if you hit a car that is stationary, no matter where it is you're going be in the wrong. I am of the opinion that the cop knew this and that is why he said it. If I was the young mans solicitor I would be appealing the judges decision. I would also reqiure a demonstration of the turn and the vehicles lock specifiacations. Even if you have to perform a 3 point turn to be able complete the u-turn you drive as far to the opposite kerb or roadside as possible, so as to reverse on the same side of the road as you are now faceing. No one in their right mind stops in the middle of the road for any reason for a u turn. THE COP LIED and any decent solicitor should be able to prove that.


Skyryder

[Sketchy_Racer]

I know the cop lied.

He BLATANTLY lied.

I hope he lives with a burden on his back for the rest of his life. And it comes back and bites him in the arse.