My maori thread

[Brian d marge]

Well I can only speak as an outsider who has lived in NZ for sometime , both pre 1980 and post.

First When I went back for a holiday , I was walkng along in chch I think and two young maori girls teenage girls were walking along ( no Shoes, which I find strange !!) but they were singing a maori song and doing the hand actions that went with it, because they wanted to .. That was very nice to see
We also went to the Hotsprings in Rotarua, and the Maori run hotsprings , were staffed by a much nicer person, we really enjoyed the experience.

Contrast that to the lady in the infomation room in Taupo ....

So what I am getting at is that if a person is comfortable and feels secure in who they are, They tend to be a more agreeable peson.

So to feel secure I personally would need to feel Satisfied with what I do . respected by family/peers/and to a lesser extent society and be able to enjoy the little indulgences that I like to do, such as drink like a fish and play around with Motorcycles. Finally and probably most important , have a knowledge of my background , which would aid in my feeling of security. Knowing where and How I arrived here.


NZ went through Huge changes in the 80s ,,( I left in 82 ish and came back in 93 ish and went Whooo what the hell happened here, and through a lot of reseach - there is a wonderful short film which explains everything -)

Long and short those changes ( as Paul in BZ has said ) left a lot of people out in the cold.

Now me, I just buggered off again. Because I can. Dont see why I should put up with $%&% when I dont have to , Plenty of other countries and I can always visit. ( but thats just me ). a global gypsy.( no knickers in a twist there was a reason why I put it like that )

What would happen if you whole past and future is tied up in the country, all your friends, family relations, everything you hold dear is here and around you . ( I dont know that feeling ~) and you couldnt just leave.........

Then due to some strange economic act , that you dont understand nor new anything about. You job goes pear shaped . All you want to do is do a good days work come home have a beer and enjoy life.

So you do the best you can .. ( must have been VERY hard for the older folks who were restructured in the 80s , real tough )

Now after 20 years, the friuts of that economic cock up are now teenagers ...and are, ( going to use the word Feral , because it does discribe the person/people I am thinking about) because they just dont know .. the social surroundings are the norm ( if you want to see it in a nut shell have a look at the big housing estates in England ....trust me on that one)

Not only that they ( the powers that be ) continue this ecomomic blundering , by introducing the "student loan" so that Teriary education would be more availabe to the socially disadvantaged , ( and when I talked to Ministers, back then they all spouted on about only paying a 1/4 of the costs .. - tui ad placed here- )

So how to fix it
Save money in the bank, 2. Educate yourself. 3. be respectfull to others and dont tolerate disrespect towards others , even if its a joke and finally Vote , get involved , do something anything just do it in an educated manner ( why do the powers that be pander to the grey vote , because they have a large voting block , are becoming articulate and vocal ,politically .

I mean I really like nz I really do, but IMHO to be comfortable , I feel one needs an escape plan. either money not dependent on NZ, or assets which are independent of NZ.

The Day NZ removes itself from the influence of the world bank and starts to assert is own authority ,( NZ made is the answer , no I dont mean the crap that we had to put up with when NZ was a closed shop , Take ideas from the global stage and do it better , its what kiwis are good at ,,,) the better off its people will be , both Maori/and any other culture that makes this world an interesting place to live in ,,,

Imagine being white , from Surrey, prodestant , with a constiution so anal it makes you but cheeks hurt ...ooops thats me ... Thank the good lord there is other ways of living life !!!: I am all for it !

Stephen

Dont get me started on the trickle down theory , or Market driven salaries ...Greed is greed ,period ,,no matter how you term it !

PPs.. 5. oh and shoot anyone who is/are responsible for Land transport

[Beemer]

A classic example is this - Iwi need more funds to fight abuse - Turia

You got the wrong end of the stick, Finn! She wants more funds FOR fighting/abuse - she must have been misquoted!

[ManDownUnder]

You got the wrong end of the stick, Finn! She wants more funds FOR fighting/abuse - she must have been misquoted!

I suspect you're both saying the same thing...

[Skyryder]

Would someone care to define "maori" ?

Indigenous people from/with Polynesian geneology.


Skyryder

[Colapop]

Can somebody tell me (a question I've never had a clear answer to) why Maori are defined as being 'native' when they are immigrants to this land, as everyone else after them, by their own recollection/history?

[sAsLEX]

Can somebody tell me (a question I've never had a clear answer to) why Maori are defined as being 'native' when they are immigrants to this land, as everyone else after them, by their own recollection/history?

As they claim to be the first ones to settle here.


Just forget the other peoples that have been before them, I have heard of Viking nations setting up on our shores, and there is supposedly traces of their language in te reo but ........ you wont hear that in NZ history class would you?

[Colapop]

I've said it before "Northland is Viking country"

[Skyryder]

Are you running for fuckin parliament or something mate? Trying to get a few votes?

He got 'creamed' and now he's looking for warm fuzzys.

Skyryder

[Motu]

Can somebody tell me (a question I've never had a clear answer to) why Maori are defined as being 'native' when they are immigrants to this land, as everyone else after them, by their own recollection/history?

Probably the same reason why the Indians of north and south America are called natives....Aboriginies....Normans in England.The Maori came and conquered....we don't know who they conquered,but they were the people in control of the land when the white man came.Can't see any problem with them being the indigenous native race...is anyone else going to step up to the plate?
The Maori got a pretty good deal,and still are getting a pretty good deal - better than any other indigenous race on the planet.We should be proud of that - I'm glad we don't have 3 A4 pages of peoples we have committed genocide upon.Sure,there are no full blooded Maori left in NZ - we have committed genocide too....and our weapon was love....

[Colapop]

We're all immigrants here. We all make the place what it is.

[Maha]

I've said it before "Northland is Viking country"

And it was first known as 'Thorland' before somebody thought more fitting to call it Northland.....sounds the same but suited the area better cos' of its geographical location.....i think?...

[oldrider]

A Maori man was found nailed to a tree, he also had been stabbed seven times, both legs were broken and his jaw was broken too.
Police said it was the worst case of suicide they had ever witnessed!

I know I know there is a special forum for this but I just felt it would fit right in here for today. Cheers John.

[Motu]

We're all immigrants here. We all make the place what it is.

The difference being someone else had control before the invading immigrants turned up.If we all turned up at the same time your point is realvent...but seeing as there was a householder in residence you can't claim squatting rights.Either we conquered,or we didn't - and we didn't,we signed a Treaty.It is still being honoured.All I know of American history is cowboy movies....but I get the impression every treaty was broken,peoples were wiped from the record of existance.

[andrea]

And I wasn't offended by Finns twins thread. Or anything else. If you're offended , ask this . Is it true? Yes? Then instead of being offended get to work to fix the problem. No, not true? Then put up the facts to correct the error. No-one here (nor hardly anywhere else) is slagging of Maoris for the hell of it. If people are critical it's because they see things to be critical of.

And the arrival of the white man may have buggered up the Maori way of life. But, as the great greats found, that was more than compensated for by the opportunities that it brought. For those with enough gumption to grab 'em.[/QUOTE]
yeah but it was the way Finn typed the thread that was offputting, and calling them animals. really negative, i agree with Col this is a better thread and i can see where you are coming from Finn. hmmm i definitely dont see myself paying more tax just to help fund something thats probably going to be a complete waste of time, my friend says that the law should be more tougher, hmm capital punishment. its too easy over here, criminals get caught they get thrown into prison, do their time and then in no time they are out again, and whose to say that they have changed.

[mstriumph]

And I wasn't offended by Finns twins thread. Or anything else. ...................... No-one here (nor hardly anywhere else) is slagging of Maoris for the hell of it. If people are critical it's because they see things to be critical of.

that's a viewpoint - but outright derogitory name-calling can't really be classed as 'valid criticism', can it;

the brickbats Finn got were, to my mind, more for his bigotted language than for his viewpoint ............ as you yourself said

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yeah but it was the way Finn typed the thread that was offputting, and calling them animals. really negative, ............