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    How much "development" can be done on a bike that is redundant for next year anyway? Maybe K14 would rather see the championship awarded at the start of the season, you know, "Round 1, our 2006 World Champ will be Valentino Rossi, beacause he's the best out there!"
    Think Kevin Schwantz won 5 or 6 GP's one season and still ended up fourth in the title chase, after crashes and engine failures.

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    The Prime website shows the race as being televised at 12.45AM.

    Rossi's talent is a whole level above any of his competitors including Hayden.
    Bearing in mind that Rossi already has a record equalling the greatest riders ever, and that he has established one record that nobody in the entire history of the soprt had ever managed previously.

    People with more knowledge than I have say that the Yamaha is nowhere near as good as the Honda, it is only Rossi's genius that makes it competitive at all. Colin Edwards is certainly a good rider and he can't get the Yamaha to perform anywhere near the same level.

    If Rossi was on a Honda, Hayden, Pedrosa, et al wouldn't know which way he went. (And if yer auntie had balls she'd be yer uncle )

    Rossi will really have to work to win the title from where he is now but if there is one man that can do it, it's him.

    I'm definitely looking forward to Phillip Island...
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    It must be something about Italians. When I had more hair it was Agostini we all talked about. The critics said he's only good because he had the best bike (MV at the time). So he like Rossi switched to Yamaha. What happened? He won the 350 title first year out on the Yamaha and the 500 title the second year. His first year on Yamaha they took him to the Daytona 200. Again what happened? Basically he lead from start to finish beating all the Daytona specialists. That man Ago could ride. Rossi is very similar and is possibly better but how can you compare across eras and only Ago stands in front of him with more senior class GP victories as Rossi is now 2nd ahead of Mick Doohan. I wouldn't be surprised if Rossi keeps riding long enough to beat that record.

    We saw what Rossi did with the RC211V in its early years and that model has been the winningest MotoGp bike by far. If he was back on Honda there is no doubt he'd would be streets ahead of Hayden. However, I like Hayden and all credit to him this year, but Rossi still looks a cut above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim2 View Post
    Hayden's got a much tougher job than anyone out there. He's riding the only 2006 model RCV211 and having to develop it as well as having to try and justify his #1 spot at Honda ..... and he has more money riding on his shoulders than those two combined. ...
    He doesn't complain about the bike
    He's got a tough job? Of course he has. He's supposed to be showing us all he's the champ, and he's got the latest Honda, the most resources and biggest money behind him to do it. He rode poorly last weekend and all he could do was look at his rear tyre as if that was the problem .. that's complaining about the bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quattrocchi View Post
    He's got a tough job? Of course he has. He's supposed to be showing us all he's the champ, and he's got the latest Honda, the most resources and biggest money behind him to do it. He rode poorly last weekend and all he could do was look at his rear tyre as if that was the problem .. that's complaining about the bike.
    Nope, you're missing the point. He didn't complain about the bike. The tyres come from an outside source. Couple a failing clutch to a shagged tyre and you've got a rider doing everything he can to stay in touch. Instead he's a whining pussy.

    His bike is different to every RC211V out there. Honda continually try to screw top riders over by trying to make a point of the bike being more important than the rider, but all that ends up happening, especially since Rossi left because he was sick of that sort of crap, is that they dilute their overall effort.

    Noobies are made to look good compared to the lead rider, because they get the lead rider's bike from last year, plus all his settings, plus all his testing data. We've seen the same thing over the last couple of years, HAyden is consustent for a large part of the year, wins a couple of races, but has a couple of unexplained mechanical issues. Then finishes the year strongly. Then he gets a COMPLETELY new bike to develop, while the Melandris, Pedrosas, and Stoners are made to look like legends by riding the wheels off the best bike, the best developed bike, that Honda can field.

    Rossi got tired of those games and went to Yamaha because Yamaha wanted him to win races, not develop the customer bike like Honda did. Plus he was given Carte Blanche to build a team and stick to the core goals he needed to to win. I'll bet you Hayden has to put up with technicians revolving in and out of Japan all the time.
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    Sure Hayden gets the development bike,it's his choice too - but there's the chance Honda will give him a bike that will cream the field....I guess he lives in hope.The tyre choice was Haydens,it didn't work out on sunday....but it could of been the best tyre choice of the day.He know's who made the tyre choice,and I bet he's giving him hell for it.This is one of the days Hayden didn't get on the podium,a rare sight this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Motu View Post
    Sure Hayden gets the development bike,it's his choice too - but there's the chance Honda will give him a bike that will cream the field....I guess he lives in hope.The tyre choice was Haydens,it didn't work out on sunday....but it could of been the best tyre choice of the day.He know's who made the tyre choice,and I bet he's giving him hell for it.This is one of the days Hayden didn't get on the podium,a rare sight this year.
    I couldn't agree more. I remember Gibernau was big on telling them to shove their new bits. Not that it helped him mind you.

    But that's half of what it takes to be a champion, and why Rossi is so good, it's the off track decisions as much as what happens on the track.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Motu View Post
    Sure Hayden gets the development bike,it's his choice too - but there's the chance Honda will give him a bike that will cream the field....I guess he lives in hope.The tyre choice was Haydens,it didn't work out on sunday....but it could of been the best tyre choice of the day.He know's who made the tyre choice,and I bet he's giving him hell for it.This is one of the days Hayden didn't get on the podium,a rare sight this year.
    It's not Hayden's choice to get the Development bike. The No. 1 Honda rider gets it whether he wants it or not.

    Mick Doohan was the first Honda rider to send a bike back labelled a "piece of crap" and get away with it. Hayden would be quicker and MORE consistent on last year's bike. Rossi was the next and when Honda refused to get the message he went to Yamaha.

    Hayden's clutch was slipping for the last 6 laps. There are quite a few MotoGP riders who would have parked the bike, not finished the race in the points. Which is why he isn't a whinger.
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    According to the HRC President, Hayden was given the choice at the start of the year, They were keen for him to have the new bike, but it was his choice. Just how different do you think it is? Fuck me, when Hayden had Rossi and Biaggi as team mates, there was non start moaning that Hayden had an underspec bike, now his fan club are bitching because his bike is "overspecced"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim2 View Post
    It's not Hayden's choice to get the Development bike. The No. 1 Honda rider gets it whether he wants it or not.
    It's Hayden's choice to ride for Honda,he could be riding for Suzuki and spend his races lapping at the rear of the field.I'm sure if Honda gave Hayden a development bike that ran away from the field everyone would be moaning about how come Hayden get's the development bike and all the other riders have to use the old bike.

    I don't know what Hayden has done to deserve all this negative shit,damned if he does,damned if he doesn't - he's just one of the best riders on the grid.I hope he wins this year,but they will still be saying he didn't deserve it....nay saying couch potatoes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim2 View Post
    ... a failing clutch ....
    Where'd you get this clutch theory from? On the MotorCycleNews forum they all talk of his tyre choice being unfortunate and the wheelspin was from that. Tyres ARE a major component of the bike, wherever they come from. Recall he did this very stagey-for-TV examination of his rear tyre after the race. What's that if not 'what can I blame here?'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Motu View Post
    ... I don't know what Hayden has done to deserve all this negative shit,damned if he does,damned if he doesn't - he's just one of the best riders on the grid...
    Give us an example of his superior riding skill. No, give us several.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quattrocchi View Post
    Where'd you get this clutch theory from? On the MotorCycleNews forum they all talk of his tyre choice being unfortunate and the wheelspin was from that. Tyres ARE a major component of the bike, wherever they come from. Recall he did this very stagey-for-TV examination of his rear tyre after the race. What's that if not 'what can I blame here?'
    I posted a link above. Go look for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by quattrocchi View Post
    Give us an example of his superior riding skill. No, give us several.
    Smoking the field completly at leguna seca 2 years in a row. There's one, or i guess you could count it as two. There is no way u can't say he isn't skilled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quattrocchi View Post
    Give us an example of his superior riding skill. No, give us several.
    He leads the World Championship - no one else does,not even you.....

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