police getting tazers , i'm getting a gun

[Indoo]

The amount of misinformation and plain fantasy around this subject is just ridiculous. The best one is people claiming that tasers have 'killed' some 150 odd people in the states. When you actually read amnesty's figures you would also see that much less prominently they admit the fact that in the few hundred or so thousand times tasers have been used in the states they have only played a 'role' in the deaths of 15 people. Compare that to the amount of times tasers would have saved lives by keeping real guns in the holster.

Basing objections into taser use off the U.S example is about as retarded as basing objections into giving cops here access to firearms based off the U.S example. You can't compare apples with oranges or donuts if thats more appropriate.

The N.Z model of taser use is based off the british trials and the sucessful use of tasers over there since 2003, it uses a stun gun only 1/5th as powerful as that used in the states. The taser is also kept in a locked box in a patrol car and can only be used by specially trained officers with every single use of it recorded and a formal report made into it.

The same vocal opponents are also the first to scream murder whenever there is a police shooting as a result of Police having no other option but lethal force. They are the driving momentum around cops having private murder prosecutions brought against them for defending themselves and the public. The ironic thing is now they are opposed to a non-lethal use of force that would reduce police shootings and mean that poor innocent victims such as Stephen Wallace would be alive and positively contributing to society today.

How many deaths or cases of abuse have there been in the U.K since they started using tasers?

[James Deuce]

I posted a link with some facts in it. You guys should read it and then draw some conclusions.

[Swoop]

Police fulla (commissioner or sumthin) on telly this morning saying that they would only be used where there was a possibility of a suspect being violent.

Possibility of being violent?

Yes. Just like speed cameras being introduced because "they would only be used at accident black spots"...
Hmm, time for a Tui!

[Squeak the Rat]

At the end of the day, kiwi's are scared that these are a) dangerous, and b) will be used unnecessarily.

Is it good when well intentioned citizens fear police?

[McJim]

I don't think the problem is the Tazers and I don't think police should have firearms - that should be reserved for countries where civilization and democracy has broken down irrevecobaly (USA, Iraq, Afghanistan etc.).

Hearts and Minds.

That's something the British Armed forces are trained to win in civil disturbance situations.

I'm hearing of many police officers in New Zealand consistently taking a very defensive view of any and all criticism - this will get interpreted, rightly or wrongly, by many members of the public as being "high and mighty" and they will be of the belief that the police believe themselves to be governed by a different set of rules from the public. In short the public will be of the opinion that "Them police think dey is better than us" and hence the mud slinging ensues.

In my opinion the New Zealand Police should spend more of their time trying to win hearts and minds to prevent the next generation of crims. But what do I know - I'm just a dirty immigrant.

Now I'm going back to trying to be witty.

[spudchucka]

Police fulla (commissioner or sumthin) on telly this morning saying that they would only be used where there was a possibility of a suspect being violent.

Possibility of being violent?

Should we wait for Crazy Steve to stick his screwdriver in our necks and only then consider using a Tazer or would the common sense approach be to use the device before the screwdriver gets inserted?

Which option would you choose?

[spudchucka]

No Gun for me...

But I have been carrying a screwdriver since 1985....

Only for protection...

And the Cops know I do....so Tazer me if you can PIG!!!!

But if I get the chance I will STAB YOU..

AND IN THE FCKING THROAT!!!!

Crazy Steve..

PIGS are just STAB VICTIMS they just dont know it...

Were you rapping when you wrote that?

[The_Dover]

Mmmm hearts and minds. Like what the SAS tried to do in malaya?

I don't know if hearts and minds would work on the p fuelled mongrel mob member Leonard Hall who tried to kill two of my close friends with a SKS rifle in the carpark at the St Lukes Mall.

Maybe i should of walked up to him and given him a flower instead of pulling my glock out??

Maybe you should have pulled your cock out? Make him laugh himself into submission cos you didn't hit the fucker did you?

Or maybe you bunchof useless cunts should stamp out the gangs? A shoot to kill policy on patches would go down a treat.

As for Malaya, was that a civil disturbance? retard.

Should we wait for Crazy Steve to stick his screwdriver in our necks and only then consider using a Tazer or would the common sense approach be to use the device before the screwdriver gets inserted?

Which option would you choose?

I'd choose to line you all up and give Crazy Steve the biggest screwdriver he could find.

[Squeak the Rat]

Maybe i should of walked up to him and given him a flower instead of pulling my glock out??

Might have confused him into submission

I think most people would be quite ok with Police shooting some one who is armed with a firearm and shooting at said coppas.

But cops are NOT going to shoot some one with a glock if said suspect is slow getting out of his car or on the ground for whatever reason.

Should we wait for Crazy Steve to stick his screwdriver in our necks and only then consider using a Tazer or would the common sense approach be to use the device before the screwdriver gets inserted?

Which option would you choose?

As it is crazysteve, i'd suggest the glock option, plant the screwdriver later.

I'm all for cops defending themselves. But there is a line blurring a) when you are in danger, b) when you are likely to be in danger, and c) when it's possible you might be in danger. There is also the "hurry the fuck up shitbag zap that learned the mutha" applications.

[McJim]

....given him a flower instead of pulling my glock out??

You pulled your what out? Oh sorry...sounded like something else there...but thanks for proving my point.

[spudchucka]

As it is crazysteve, i'd suggest the glock option, plant the screwdriver later.

I'm all for cops defending themselves. But there is a line blurring a) when you are in danger, b) when you are likely to be in danger, and c) when it's possible you might be in danger. There is also the "hurry the fuck up shitbag zap that learned the mutha" applications.

There might be a blurred line from your perspective but I know, and I'd suggest that any frontline cop also knows, when he / she is in a situation that is likely to be a threat to their personal well being. Little things like training and experience kinda lead you to having that ability.

[muzz]

Or maybe you bunch of useless cunts should stamp out the gangs? A shoot to kill policy on patches would go down a treat.


They are the biggest gang.

[The_Dover]

So pigs like Dyna, who is 23 and clearly below average intelligence, are going to use their "years" of experience and "training" to ascertain when they are at threat?

Or will they be all gung ho, like little boys that get a hard on for guns tend to be, and go around tazing people indescriminately?

Not to mention that the thing will be locked in a box in the patrol car..............next to the radar gun and ticket book.

[Quasievil]

I think you just summed up in a few words exactly why the police should NOT be permitted them. Too much risk of a copper with the same attitude.

Clearly, you agree that the Taser WILL be used by police as a "punishment" - rather than to protect themselves. yes?

No, definately defensive option, but one which should be utilised if the officer is in a dangerous situation, thats a good thing I reckon.
Especially if a P induced rampaging lunatic is coming at you

[scumdog]

I'm looking forward to 6 month's time when we hear about Dairy robberies where the perp used a police issued Tazer for the robbery - it's only a matter of time before they fall into the wrong hands.


What a wonderful can of worms has been potentially opened!

Yep, happens all the time with Police Glocks, Bushmasters, pepperspray and Police issue asp batons eh?

Nice troll.