Hardcore Biker
Do you ever think it'll make a comeback? I believe that FIM stopped the 500cc 2-strokes form competing for 5 years. Shame, as the old Cagiva C594 was putting out a whisker below 200hp,and that was back in 1994! . Don't know what the Hondas or Suzukis were putting out.
Forum whore
it was too much of the powerband and all those highsides, and since 4-stroke is deemed new technology, the move went that way.. the yzr-m1 has 2-stroke-like pickup though,,
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It was also partly due to emissions, but you're right they did look they had a massive kick in the pants when the powerband came about - though it is racing and learning to tame that is all part of the beast.
In the year that the 500cc two strokes and 990cc four strokes raced together it became apparent that they 500cc bikes weren't going to cut it anymore. If you want to know more then watch 'Faster' it has a little bit on it when they were testing the last 500cc prototype which almost could have done it.
KiwiBitcher
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It's better to not pass and know that you could have than to pass and find out that you can't. Wait for the straight.
wheelie king
bring em back,
If moto gp is the tru championship and ifyou win you are the best well you need bikes with viscious powerbands to prove your self really not 288bhp and a smooth power curve
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For whom the bell tolls
288bhp? WTF i thought they were only up to 250bhp
They still have to manage the throttle smoothly otherwise they will spin up or lift the front, as you should know ivan doing either of these isnt good for you mid corner at 200kmh+
will be interesting next season with the new 800s
KiwiBitcher
where opinion holds more weight than fact.
It's better to not pass and know that you could have than to pass and find out that you can't. Wait for the straight.
Forum whore
They should just run an open class - if 2 strokes are faster what's the big deal,if you want to win you ride the fastest bike.I can't see a 500cc 4 stroke getting anywhere near a 2 stroke of the same capacity.Stop the capacity restrictions on 2 strokes! 4 strokes are gutless,they shouldn't need to be propped up with regulations in their favour.
No8 Wire Extraordinaire
Yeah Toilets have valves.
4 strokes were always allowed in the 500 class, it's just that they were too putzy to compete with real race bikes. Even Honda with their millions couldn't get the NR500 competitive, or even near.
All down to bureaucratic pin heads either favouring the 60s or influenced by manufacturers that think the public will think their GSXR contains the same technology as the motoGP bike. (which going on past performance maybe Suzuki would be better off racing the GSXR).
F1 cars of course look nothing like any road car so are heinously irrelevant so crap on that as an argument.
But they stifled 2 stroke development by disallowing direct injection & then say well lets introduce 4 strokes with no noise restrictions & double the size.
Then they blanket banned 2 strokes a couple of years later.
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Forum whore
my workmate has that 'Faster' DVD.. nice vid to watch..Originally Posted by R6_kid
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Hardcore Biker
I think they should bring back the 500s but as a separate class. I mean, they've still got the 125GP and 250GP 2-strokes. The technology has developed heaps.
The Aprilia RS125 now has a 12.5:1 compression ratio and it's homologated for Sports Production. The stock Cagiva Mito has a compression ratio of only 7.4:1. The new two-stokes now have catalytic converters also.
Haven't paid much attention to the Jap bikes, but the Honda NS125 outs out 48bhp, which isn't too bad for 125.
Anyway, if all this new technology was applied to a 500cc capacity 2-stroke along with all that carbon-fibre bodywork, modern Ohlins shocks, petal discs with radial calipers, and most imortantly modern slicks, imagine what sort of race bike you'd end up with.
Forum whore
Bring back the 2 strokes and no electronic aids. then see haw the new kids on the block perform - even Rossi needed a learning period on the 500's.
No margin for error at all!
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Honda have sent a letter out to all teams running RS125's in GP's that Honda will no longer be supplying 125's next year.
Hardcore Biker
I don't think they can compete against the Aprilia's. Here's a couple of quotes that sums up the 500's perfectly:
"In Superbikes he crashed one every week. On a 500, he'll crash every day!" Carl Fogarty's comment on Gobert"John is just a kid. He did a good job but is not ready to race 500s. Definitely not on my team or against me!" Wayne Rainey after John Kocinski left Team Roberts for the Suzuki 250 ride
Forum whore
You guys are kidding right? Bring back the ring dings??!! (Look I used to race 250 proddie so I do love the little lawnmowers but really...)
Having been to a few 500GPs and also in the last 2 years 3 MotoGP rounds there is no comparison when it comes to just the noise. Awesome.
It is not the 4 stroke power curve that has stopped the highsides etc from the 500 days. It is tyre technology and electronic engine management. Had they kept with 2 strokes (and I am glad they haven't) the same technology would have fixed that problem too.
250 and 125's will go in a few years time as well.
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No8 Wire Extraordinaire
Don't read spec sheets in isolation.The diff in compression you quote is full stroke vs corrected for exhaust port height. They could be the same. Obviously a race bike would be higher as runs on consistently better fuel & several other reasons.
NSR125 48hp? Oh please! In their dreams! The best of the road 125s make a tickle over 25hp at the rear wheel. RS125s (GP) at factory level make ~ 50.
Last paragraph? Erm GP500s had all these things, they only departed 3 yrs ago. They would benefit from engine management, but that would have happened if they had been allowed to develop direct injection.
The manufacturers don’t really care about good racing (& to some extent either do the FIM/Promoters), what they care about is money.
And Cleve, I prefer the sound of a race 2 stroke. Even with the mufflers on.
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I say bring back 2 strokes and let them be 990cc...
Considering that Ducati didn't use their most powerful motor last year 'cos it would drain the tank too fast, not to mention shred the tyres even quicker, I'd love to see the comedy unveil as a 990cc 2 stroke took to the track...preferably at a track with nice big run offs to avoid tragedy.
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