NCEA opinions sought

[BuFfY]

Same thing for school c and stuff... in bursary all you needed was 3 c's and you got in

At uni you can get your degree with all c's

[Magua]

Too easy to "pass" NCEA, and especially to get university entrance, which requires 42 credits at L3 including at least 14 (out of 24) in each of two approved subjects (ie. academic subjects) and another 14 total over no more than two other subjects (ie. anything at all).
Michael

What about literacy credits? Four for reading and four for writing in 6th form, or level two ncea.

Mathematics too, "a minimum of 14 credits at level 1 or higher in Mathematics".

[Michaelt]

Same thing for school c and stuff... in bursary all you needed was 3 c's and you got in

At uni you can get your degree with all c's

The difference being that, even assuming achieved is at the same level as C (I'd say it's a bit lower, but not really sure), a C overall is quite a bit harder to get then an achieved over 14 out of 24 credits, and 2*14 credits approved subjects is easier than 3. 14 credits over anything else isn't even worth considering as a challenge.

What about literacy credits? Four for reading and four for writing in 6th form, or level two ncea.

Mathematics too, "a minimum of 14 credits at level 1 or higher in Mathematics".

You can do the literacy credits as 2 unit standards through MIT (what I did), it's quite easy to do really.

I'm sure there's something similar for the numeracy standard if 5th form applied maths isn't easy enough, although I passed schol calc so 14 credits level 1 wasn't a problem for me (did that in 3rd form, and also got 70% in school cert maths in 2nd form, which didn't count for some reason due to the NCEA transition).

[BuFfY]

It will count it just wont be on your NCEA record... all my school c and 6th form marks still count.

[Michaelt]

It will count it just wont be on your NCEA record... all my school c and 6th form marks still count.

Too late now anyway, I've done NCEA L1 and L2 maths and L3 and schol calc since then.

Anyway, my school c math mark was only 70%, not a great loss.

Michael

[Flyingpony]

What are you talking about? If you skip classes, you won't be able to pass, unless you are refering to the whole Cambridge high fiasco?

That'll be the one. Saw something on television about it.

When I look at my certificates for NCEA levels one, two and three, it clearly shows where I got my credits, Physics, History, etc.

Good to know because the NCEA system came in after I'd graduated from the high school system.

At uni you can get your degree with all c's

Though you might run into troubles getting into a the postgraduate level studies. Master level requires an average grade of -B or is it B

[Patrick]

Have you noticed all the NEGATIVE articles? It can't be all negative if a) they decided to change the assessment scheme and b) they haven't gotten rid of it.

Yep, we have noticed all the negatives.

a) It is a government department... of course they will change it if it is working fine, they always do... look at the merger of Police and Traffic as one example.

b) What is done is done... it cost enough to "change" it in the first place... they are not going to spend millions on changing it back and saying, "Oops, that was a dumb arsed move on our part, wasn't it?"

[Hitcher]

At uni you can get your degree with all c's

Don't give away my secrets! Anything better than a C is wasted effort.

[terbang]

it's like saying "I can take the plane off, fly it, but I can't land; But I should still be allowed to fly" lol

-Indy

In a lot of the aviation exams I have sat in other parts of the world the pass mark was 100% where in NZ it is 70%.
I don't disagree with it, especially when it comes down to safety procedures/equipment knowledge. How could a crew member be only 70% proficient in an evacuation syllabus or a fire drill?

My daughters are doing their NCEA and it interests me that an "achieved" mark lies in the 45-75% area.. As someone has allready said it appears that we are dumbing our society down.
I can't comment on school C as I left school at 15 and have absolutely no school qualification whatsoever. RD350's and Sharon...T where the only things I cared about back then! I took and completed an apprenticship in Automotive Engineering (a Mechanic) gaining my trade certificate (another desecrated qualification for a future debate). Didn't slow me down though as I now have a good career in aviation being self educated in that area. It is interesting to note that the only people that actually held this against me were Air NZ and I currently fly for Qantas.
I also flew, among others, as a British Airways captain for a period of time. Yet, based on a decision I made at 15, I wasn't good enough to fly backpackers and suits between AKL and WLG in my own country.
Whilst I may appear lucky, I believe that as I matured, I understood what I wanted to do and focused on that area achieving fairly well. Lucky for me, there are those that look at that rather than how I spent my youth.

[BuFfY]

Don't give away my secrets! Anything better than a C is wasted effort.

Haha one of my friends mottos is

C's make degrees!

[Magua]

Don't give away my secrets! Anything better than a C is wasted effort.

Cees get degrees.

Edit, what buffy said.

[Hitcher]

Whilst I may appear lucky, I believe that as I matured, I understood what I wanted to do and focused on that area achieving fairly well. Lucky for me, there are those that look at that rather than how I spent my youth.

And whatever happened to Sharon T?

[Michaelt]

In a lot of the aviation exams I have sat in other parts of the world the pass mark was 100% where in NZ it is 70%.
I don't disagree with it, especially when it comes down to safety procedures/equipment knowledge. How could a crew member be only 70% proficient in an evacuation syllabus or a fire drill?

Very easily.

Just passed my PPL flight test today, my 6 exam marks ranged all the way from 70% (for Met) to 100% (for Radio).

Similar to my uni marks really, range all the way from C- (lowest passing grade) for mechanical engineering design to A+ (for maths).

I do agree with you though, plenty of things that I should know that I'm not entirely confident of, that I'd require more time for thinking about than there would be in a real life emergency situation.

Michael

[Lou Girardin]

NCEA is great. It lets stupid people feel good about themselves.

[Motu]

gaining my trade certificate (another desecrated qualification for a future debate). .

It wasn't hard,but Trade Cert practical had at least a 90% failure rate,and A Grade was even higher,over 95%.And this was a good system - qualifications were never really important in the trade,journeyman was the standard...and the best mechanics I've ever worked with had no qualifications at all - one had a boiler firemans ticket,another was a qualified butcher,ability was the defining benchmark,pieces of paper meant nothing.But Trade Cert was the mark of a mechanic who knew his stuff,A Grade was the elite heights....like being a proffesional motorcycle racer amougst all the club racers.After 10 years as an employer,no one who has worked for me has been qualified - I don't care what pieces of paper they show me....I want to see how they can work.