Jihad!!!

**Finn** · 18th September 2006, 13:19

Originally Posted by SPman

You have a peasant?

Not anymore. Through education, support and mentoring, I've turned them into productive birdies.

**kickingzebra** · 18th September 2006, 13:30

Seems doomed to war which ever way we protract things.
We have all these fit excitable young men sitting around all day (on various countries welfare systems) dreaming of owning AK 47s.

Unlike our youth, at least they have aspirations!!

Yes, we can all point out the inadeqacies of religious documents etc, and yes, they do advocate peace. I somehow, thinking about it, doubt that the vast majority of death in wars is religiously motivated.

WW1 and 2, killed how many people? More than many of the wars prior put together, and (arguably) niether of those two biggest killers in the 20th century were religiously motivated. Niether was Vietnam, or Korea, or Iraq... Theres an emerging pattern here. The motivation for the most effective wars (at killing people) in the last 150 odd years, has been anything but religious.

I dare anyone to work it out on a percentage basis. Might even do it myself If I can be bothered.

**Hitcher** · 18th September 2006, 13:34

To keep this thread running as originally envisaged, it should confine itself to a discussion around the utterances of Pope Benedict. Otherwise it will find itself merged with either the Israel thread or, god forbid, the Scottish thread.

You choose.

**Squeak the Rat** · 18th September 2006, 13:45

I wonder how Pope Benedict likes his eggs......

[sorry couldn't resist]

**The Pastor** · 18th September 2006, 13:47

You could buy an ak47 in dagahole for 400 bucks a while back.

**terbang** · 18th September 2006, 13:51

Originally Posted by Finn

Are you still upset with me peasant?

Not at all there Bantam Rooster.

**padre** · 18th September 2006, 14:38

Are we all agreed KB should send a statement to the Vatican condemning Eggs Benedict for his aggressive style of leading the catholic masses. If thou shalt not converteth with the sword what be the better instrument. How are muslims to better conduct themselves. And what should muhammed have said.
Benny has fair got sum splaining ta do.

**terbang** · 18th September 2006, 14:50

Originally Posted by padre

Benny has fair got sum splaining ta do.

Especially when he has a look back into his own History books..!

Originally Posted by Catholic Encyclopedia

The idea of the crusade corresponds to a political conception which was realized in Christendom only from the eleventh to the fifteenth century; this supposes a union of all peoples and sovereigns under the direction of the popes. All crusades were announced by preaching. After pronouncing a solemn vow, each warrior received a cross from the hands of the pope or his legates, and was thenceforth considered a soldier of the Church. Crusaders were also granted indulgences and temporal privileges, such as exemption from civil jurisdiction, inviolability of persons or lands, etc. Of all these wars undertaken in the name of Christendom, the most important were the Eastern Crusades.

**Joni** · 18th September 2006, 15:03

No - Padre I think you should rather speak for yourself than KB as an entirety.

**acewheelie** · 18th September 2006, 15:04

Also I seem to recall seeing somewhere that the current pope was a foot soldier in the fuhrers little shin dig back in the thirties/ forties.....

I think they may need to find a new one, probably should start looking now, coz I don't think this one will be around too long!

**ManDownUnder** · 18th September 2006, 15:51

Originally Posted by padre

Are we all agreed KB should send a statement to the Vatican condemning Eggs Benedict for his aggressive style of leading the catholic masses. If thou shalt not converteth with the sword what be the better instrument. How are muslims to better conduct themselves. And what should muhammed have said.
Benny has fair got sum splaining ta do.

No.

I don't care what he said about whom and when... and not being a Muslim or Catholic person, I don't see what entitlement I have to get ionvolved in their problems, politcal or otherwise.

The Pope doesn't owe me an explanation, but he'd beter watch his back if any fundamentalists decide to go postal.

**kickingzebra** · 18th September 2006, 16:02

I like that viewpoint!

How do we choose what we do make our problems though?
Truth being so subjective and all. So far the pope seems to be a well mannered intelligent person. I'm not catholic, so he holds no special place in my heart, but he is a figure a whole lot of people look up to, and there is no guarantee that the muslim world will stop and think, wait, it is only the pope that said this, not the whole of Catholicism. It's also unlikely that the ones protesting would draw a line between catholics, other christians, and those lucky enough to live in what could be deemed christian nations (US, NZ Aus, etc)