SH 16. cops cops cops

[McJim]

Hey hondas rock buddy

Mine doesn't - fix your suspension

[ManDownUnder]

What was this thread about again - cops on SH16?

I mean... it's like complaining about the number of ants in a sugar bowl, or Catholics at the Vatican.

It's a given. SH16 = cop magnet. If we stop speeding on SH16, the cops will go elsewhere... ... so don't hold high hopes of the cops leaving SH16...

[sAsLEX]

The point is that there is no offence for poor cornering technique.

Crossing the centre line can be considered prima facie careless driving though but poor cornering technique is not an offence.

My point is that this illustrates the narrow mindness , not of the cops, but the powers that be in thinking only terminal velocity effects the outcome/likelyness of an accident and therefor only charge for that rather than people who stray over their lane corner poorly etc.

[sAsLEX]

It is one factor in road crashes, roads are another, drink driving, mechanical defaults are others. Police are only tasked with drink driving, sometimes mechanical defaults when we see cars that aren't up to standard and write them off the road, and speed enforcement.

They wont give us diggers and steam rollers to fix the roads

You are also empowered to enforce the road rules!

Yet I seldom see people ticketed for U turning on symonds street even though this has resulted in death, people have no qualms with running red lights hell even a cop did it in front of me the other day. Through focussing on things like this other than speed the police could have a greater impact on road safety, I know bykey cop loves sitting at lights as he quickly gathers lots of "contacts" from all the red runners.

[ManDownUnder]

You are also empowered to enforce the road rules!

Yet I seldom see people ticketed for U turning on symonds street even though this has resulted in death, people have no qualms with running red lights hell even a cop did it in front of me the other day. Through focussing on things like this other than speed the police could have a greater impact on road safety, I know bykey cop loves sitting at lights as he quickly gathers lots of "contacts" from all the red runners.

I hear ya, and I agree with what you're saying, but I'm willing to bet he doesn't get to decide where or when he is to be deployed, or even given full access to all the stats in an attempt to make him better informed to make those decisions (because he ca't make them...)

Find some chiefs to yell at, not the indians...

[spudchucka]

My point is that this illustrates the narrow mindness , not of the cops, but the powers that be in thinking only terminal velocity effects the outcome/likelyness of an accident and therefor only charge for that rather than people who stray over their lane corner poorly etc.

Like I said, straying over the centre line is prima facie careless driving, people get charged for it, ask Swan Tiger.

Driver behaviour is what causes crashes, speeding is just one of those behaviours, if you saw the traffic charge precedent book and the huge range of offences you can be charged with you would be stunned.

[sAsLEX]

U turns arent illegal in New Zealand and if your referring to the yellow cbr600f4i that was taken out on symonds street and the rider killed, the driver of that vehicle WAS prosetcuted. I had the task to clean the rider up so i do know that case reasonably well The u turn wasnt illegal, but not checking both ways before doing it and as a result hitting another vehicle is.

Most cops will stop a red light runner however if we are preoccupied with finding an offender and doing areas, trying to stealth to a job or conducting urgent enquries i wont.

STU units in town man the intersections around town every morning and afternoon so as far as the Symonds Street area you dont think is policed for light runners - it is.

Yellow lines on Symonds St mate, is it not illegal to U turn across no crossing lines?? Not sure of the bike but this was before your time I think.

Every morning and afternoon?!? Seen them once, well actually two bike cops getting all the red runners at the bottom of Queen.

[The_Dover]

trying to stealth to a job

don't they smell the bacon from a mile off?

conducting urgent enquries

"Excuse me love, how much for the 12 pack of jelly donuts and a large latte?"

[SwanTiger]

Like I said, straying over the centre line is prima facie careless driving, people get charged for it, ask Swan Tiger.

The Cop who issued me the ticket was a biker and was extremely good about it, even let me off on a lot of other things. He was just concerned as a biker that if a car turned in unexpectedly and cut the corner or ran wide while coming through the intersection I would of been fucked.

That was a awesome display of discretion in my opinion and I learnt my lesson, ride faster than the other bikes so you can get a better spot at the intersection

P/T

How come Police do not proactively enforce this 'charge' upon more drivers?

Also I have a question. The places of which traffic officers park their vehicles, such as on State Highway 16, is there a requirement by law that it be public or part of the road? I'm just curious as I have seen HP's parked in gravel pits and private drive ways.

[sAsLEX]

The Cop who issued me the ticket was a biker and was extremely good about it, even let me off on a lot of other things. He was just concerned as a biker that if a car turned in unexpectedly and cut the corner or ran wide while coming through the intersection I would of been fucked.

That was a awesome display of discretion in my opinion and I learnt my lesson, ride faster than the other bikes so you can get a better spot at the intersection

P/T

So you lost your license for being in the wrong place in an intersection?

[McJim]

Police are allowed to park anywhere in the excecution of their duty .

By whom?

It's this sort of comment that riles me up - states "we're better than you" + "we have more rights than you" in my eyes - when did the police force in New Zealand forget that they're public servants FFS?

Sorry but I've been shutting up for ages and couldn't hold it in any more.

(edit) I've calmed down a bit now - maybe that's not what you intend to mean but it's how it sounded to me - I'd find it a bit more refreshing if the police posted as themselves with their own opinions rather than always posting the official position as seems to be the case and if they didn't brag about "waving a Glock" at some P head. C'mon - you don't catch me talking about Advertising all day do you?

[SwanTiger]

So you lost your license for being in the wrong place in an intersection?

No.

I was pulled over by a blue mufti vehicle on Old North Road when I organised a 250cc ride up to Mangawhai.

He had followed the group of bikes from State Highway 16 and stated he was just "making sure we were behaving", which we were.

I had my license suspended for doing (a disputed) 132 kmp/h in the 80 kmp/h zone along Old North Road while on a ride.

I wasn't approached by a Police officer until approximately 1 hour and 20 kilometers later, who took my license.

The careless charge was justified, but considering it was my first traffic related offence I would of hoped for just a telling off. Instead I got both

Police are allowed to park anywhere in the excecution of their duty .

Ah cool, curiosity satisfied.

EDIT: One thing people seem to confuse is that I wasn't on my GTR at the time, I was on my Girl friends GV 250 cruiser when I lost my license. If I was on my GTR I wouldn't of been stuck at the back of the ride and wouldn't be in this predicament. Lesson learnt, remove number plate and ride faster and don't stop when you see flashing blue lights

[sAsLEX]

I had my license suspended for doing (a disputed) 132 kmp/h in the 80 kmp/h zone along Old North Road while on a ride.

I wasn't approached by a Police officer until approximately 1 hour and 20 kilometers later, who took my license.

The careless charge was justified, but considering it was my first traffic related offence I would of hoped for just a telling off. Instead I got both


Ah cool, curiosity satisfied.

What poppy cock, if it was dangerous he should of pulled you then and there as this is how the justify ticketing etc (speed is dangerous), he should of stopped you straight away for your careless driving incase you had gone on to cause injury to other members of the public.

Would the cop be liable , morally or legally , if you had gone on to kill a bus load or little kiddies cause he was trying to catch you doing something else?!

[Scouse]

you don't catch me talking about Advertising all day do you?

I just have now though

[McJim]

D50 - you might want to edit that a bit - sounds as though you're repeating yourself buddy.