School shootings

**Hitcher** · 4th October 2006, 09:39

Originally Posted by SARGE

dont blame the hammer for building a leaky house man ..

Sorry, I forgot: "Guns don't kill people, people kill people." Although it's very hard to shoot somebody without one.

**SARGE** · 4th October 2006, 09:42

Originally Posted by Hitcher

Sorry, I forgot: "Guns don't kill people, people kill people." Although it's very hard to shoot somebody without one.

right .. if you cant get a gun... just grab a hammer or a concrete block.. a tool is a tool ..

my god .. how did we ever murder someone before the invention of guns ...?

ban pointed sticks too...aww.. screw it .. the only thing that will be legal is cotton wool

**Hitcher** · 4th October 2006, 10:02

Originally Posted by SARGE

right .. if you cant get a gun... just grab a hammer or a concrete block.. a tool is a tool ..

my god .. how did we ever murder someone before the invention of guns ...?

ban pointed sticks too...aww.. screw it .. the only thing that will be legal is cotton wool

As a potential "victim" I'd rather take my chances against somebody "armed" with a pointed stick (unless they have been trained by the USMC) than somebody armed with an automatic pistol and 600 rounds of ammo.

**SARGE** · 4th October 2006, 10:07

Originally Posted by Hitcher

As a potential "victim" I'd rather take my chances against somebody "armed" with a pointed stick (unless they have been trained by the USMC) than somebody armed with an automatic pistol and 600 rounds of ammo.

most of the fucktards with 600 rounds will use most of them and maybe score one hit..

dont get me wrong Hitcher .. im all in favor of strict gun laws.. but what is happening here is what is feared in the US .. when guns are outlawed .. only the outlaws have them..

kinda like the US Marines v. the Sea Scouts.. you are all out gunned and potential victims..

**Meekey_Mouse** · 4th October 2006, 10:18

I have to agree with sarge on all of this.... a gun is like a knife... now if you give the knife to a surgeon he can save someones life with it, give it to an untrained moron and he could kill some one with it. So instead of blaming the gun, blame the person behind it.

It is rediculous (spelling?) that parents can no longer smack their kids... I'm 17 and I'm SO thankfull that my parents smacked me.. every time I was smacked growing up I deserved it. I see kids my age out on the street and they think they are mature and can handle guns, drugs, alcahol etc... but they are usually complete morons. If I go to a party I have enough self controll and brains to not get wasted. I have never smoked any thing and never want too, and I've never taking a party pill... in all honesty those things scar the crap outta me.. they mess you up more then it's worth. But so many kids nowa days are out getting wasted every weekend (sometimes more often) or getting high on something that is just going to waste their brain away... if they had any to start with.

Also, I don't think the legal age for drinking really matters... either way if an under aged kid wants to get booze they will find a way to get it. But if you teach them how to be responsible with alcahol then where is the problem?

Sure alot of the kids now days are messed up and incredibly disrespectful and the parents are HUGE influences on that... but once the kid is old enough to decide decisions for him/herself then it is also up to the kid to decide where they want to be in the future and take self responsibilty to that and the actions they make whilst doing that. If a kid murders some one... they should pay for it not by sitting in a cozy cell with a TV but like sarge said... get them out there doing work and make them REGRET what they did!!! If they get a 20 yr sentence then serve the WHOLE time!

But thats just me

**Paul in NZ** · 4th October 2006, 10:29

The problem with guns, and this debate is that none of us are particularly likely to start spraying lead about or shooting up schools.

Unfortunately, there are now so many guns out there that they get into the hands of the sort of retards that join street gangs and support the coloured bandana industry. Couple them up with the loner / sickos like the dipshit that killed the Amish school kids and away we go.....

I like the higher ideals, I'd like to think mankind can rise above violence but somehow I doubt it. Some people love to fight and to kill etc We need to find an outlet for them.

**SARGE** · 4th October 2006, 10:35

Originally Posted by Meekey_Mouse

I have to agree with sarge on all of this.... a gun is like a knife... now if you give the knife to a surgeon he can save someones life with it, give it to an untrained moron and he could kill some one with it. So instead of blaming the gun, blame the person behind it.

good points Meekey..

booze isnt necessarily a bad thing ..lord know i have indulged a fair bit over the past few decades.. but i know how much i can take and i am a responsible drinker ..

i think the problem with it is that its taboo.. parents tell thier kids ' if i ever catch you with a beer, your ass is mine'.. now my folks never did that .. mom was from Germany where there is no real drinking age.. we had a fully stocked bar in the basement and i was welcome to go have a beer whenever i wanted one .. as long as i didnt sneak around or overdo it .. i was 5 when i had my first

now in saying that .. when i was in the Service .. i did have a problem.. wasnt an alcoholic by any means but i WAS a binge drinker..i didnt hit all the 12 point programs .. i took control of my own life on my own.. now i can have a beer with dinner and stop at one .. when i am out .. i have 3 maybe 4 and stop. i think that the way i was raised taught me to say 'when'

.i now have a 14 year old son and i am raising him in much the same way.. he is a great kid .. does alot of volunteer work and is a very popular kid..

Dad also was never one to 'spare the rod'.. i had my ass kicked many times for screwing up.. totally deserved each time i might add, and now as i am past 40

i can look back on it and see the big picture.. i would have turned out much different had my folks not smacked me on the nose with a newspaper when i deserved it.

personal responsibility, discipline and a damn good upbringing

**Hillbilly** · 4th October 2006, 10:56

Originally Posted by McJim

It's really sad - I watched Bowling for Collumbine some time ago - It obviously has had little effect on the gun culture of USA. Don't think many watched it.

I wonder what the effect would be if, rather than hitting soft targets like schools, these numbnuts were to crash a NRA meeting and popped ol' Charlton between the eyes before going on a rampage. They'd only need 3 people throughout the hall and enough guns would be drawn that paranoia would take over and 2,000 gun nuts would bleed out on the floor. But would that put them off?

The constitution of the USA has an amendment that allows civillians "The right to bear arms as part of an organised militia" the powers that be seem to ignore the fact that there is no "organised militia" and let people have these little metal objects that were designed with one purpose...to kill people with little effort.

There's too much money to be made in guns. That's why the US always goes to war at the drop of a hat. It's good for some people such as the shareholders and directors of Colt to get filthy rich on the misery of others. That's capitalism.

Scoll shootings? They blame Quake 4 or Doom 3 etc, but never take responsibility for the fact that what they've been telling parents ever since the '60s with Doctor Spock (the psychiatrist) about parenting is bullshit. What's written in the Bib;e is true - "spare the rod, damn the child".

All the "homoies" in NZ would do the same thing if given a chance.

**FilthyLuka** · 4th October 2006, 11:58

Originally Posted by Timber020

Im all to aware that they are just the tool.

Risk management is about manageing the things that may cause harm or damage to people and property. If im looking after a few kids on one starts beating the others with a bat, there is the risk the other kids could get seriously hurt, so I take away the bat and try to correct the kids behaviour through punishment, postive reinforcement etc. If I did nothing but tell the kid off and leave the bat there, I would be considered an idiot for leaving the other kids in danger.

hmm.. see, you say ban THE KID USING THE WEAPON from having access to it. Your comparing two very different situations. If a kid cuts himself, you take away HIS knife, you dont take away the entire populations knives. THATS JUST SILLY.

Denis

**SpankMe** · 4th October 2006, 12:02

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**Sniper** · 4th October 2006, 12:05

I havent read the whole thread and knowing the thought patterns of KB, I dont think Im going to.

My main points are, school shootings are caused by one individual and in my opinion, shrinks will always say it could have been avoided if he had been treated or looked after or molly coddeled ect ect.
The only people to feel sorry for are for the parents of the kids involved and killed. They are the ones that will be hounded by the media and angry fan and hatemail.
I think if someone kills the shooter, they should get a fucken medal.

A school shooter is much like a terrorist who walks into a building and blows themselves up and kills 20 people. Cowards and nothing more.

God I love morphine ..........

**SPman** · 4th October 2006, 12:34

The trouble with gun laws, is that it makes it hard for lawful people to get hold of guns. The crims and those who want them for nefarious purposes never seem to have a problem.In Christchurch, back in the 80's, I was offered all sorts of handguns - eg. saturday night special for $40, just by knowing the "right" sort of people. And they were coming in on a regular basis. Yet, legally, you've got to really jump through hoops, just to get a .22.

One of the guidelines for total control of the populace - first, ensure they are disarmed!