A little bit of faith restored in NZ

[Finn]

I think you could sneak it into the Human Resources budget, but that would be pushing it in Dover's case.

I don't have an HR person in my Company. HR people are scum and the role is pointless and void in modern commerce. Just ask WINJA.

[SARGE]

It's hard enough as it is having an 1/3 unwanted shareholder who puts their hand out for their share before you've even fucken made it. Then they do their best to fuck you over in ever way possible.

i know a guy who knows a guy that can take care of that for a few grand...

[Finn]

i know a guy who knows a guy that can take care of that for a few grand...

I am referring to the Government. 33% company tax.

[SwanTiger]

I don't have an HR person in my Company. HR people are scum and the role is pointless and void in modern commerce. Just ask WINJA.

Ain't that the fucken truth. I have been lied to by every single HR person I have dealt with.

Finn, I know exactly what your company needs to re-establish strong morale. You need to hire me under some random position with my responsibilities being 'annoying' and 'cunty', this will cause fellow employee's to hate me and inturn form a stronger bond with the "outcast" clearly being me.

You can then build on this morale with exercises such as "Bad Mouth Swanny Mondays" and "Make Fun of Hyosung Wednesdays".

[Finn]

Ain't that the fucken truth. I have been lied to by every single HR person I have dealt with.

Finn, I know exactly what your company needs to re-establish strong morale. You need to hire me under some random position with my responsibilities being 'annoying' and 'cunty', this will cause fellow employee's to hate me and inturn form a stronger bond with the "outcast" clearly being me.

You can then build on this morale with exercises such as "Bad Mouth Swanny Mondays" and "Make Fun of Hyosung Wednesdays".

I think a better strategy would be to bring you in and behind the scenes, hand you a major deal on a plate and then fire you cause you parked in my spot.

Respect is important.

[paturoa]

I am referring to the Government. 33% company tax.

thats of the profit, you didn't mention thats also over and above the 12.5% Grab Snatch and Take

11.5 billion hmmmm

[oldrider]

Finn, It still cost you a lot lost time and business focus while you were concentrating on this, less than, non contributor to your business objectives.

The art of diplomacy is in telling this c**t where to go and have him looking forward to the trip!

Convince him that leaving was his own idea shake his hand and tell him how sorry you are to be loosing him as he leaves, everyone is happy, time is not lost, costs a lot less, minimum staff disruption and once he has gone everyone forgets him very very quickly.

In the case you have outlined you may have won the war but was there any need for the battle in the first place? IE: Recruit in haste, repent at leisure.

That was still a very very expensive lesson!

With the advantage of 20/20 hindsight do you think you would ever make that same mistake again, even more importantly could you afford to? Cheers John.

[SARGE]

I am referring to the Government. 33% company tax.

like i said ...

You can then build on this morale with exercises such as "Bad Mouth Swanny Mondays" and "Make Fun of Hyosung Wednesdays".

dont you already have those days?)


Finn.. i think you need to have one of those motivational posters made for your office with the following scene from Joseph Heller's Catch 22:

General Dreedle: All right, at ease... there'll be no more moaning in this outfit... the next man who moans is going to be very sorry...
Danby: Ohhhhhhh...
General Dreedle: Who is this man?
Colonel Cathcart: Major Danby, Sir.
Lt. Col. Korn, XO: Danby... D-A-N-B-Y...
General Dreedle: Take him out and shoot him.
Colonel Cathcart: Sir?
General Dreedle: I said take him out and shoot him... can't you hear?
Colonel Cathcart: Take Major Danby out and shoot him...

[Finn]

thats of the profit, you didn't mention thats also over and above the 12.5% Grab Snatch and Take

11.5 billion hmmmm

And FBT, ACC and all the compliance costs etc, etc, etc.

[SwanTiger]

I think a better strategy would be to bring you in and behind the scenes, hand you a major deal on a plate and then fire you cause you parked in my spot.

Respect is important.

I'm not sure if that is sarcasim or an insult, or alcahol talking.

Out of curiosity, what was the 'ex-employee' in charge of? What are the laws relating to 'demotion'. I've started working at a place where a lady who was 'sure of herself' was demoted to a role on the lower spectrum of the organisation chart, yet she still won't quit.

[Finn]

Finn, It still cost you a lot lost time and business focus while you were concentrating on this, less than, non contributor to your business objectives.

The art of diplomacy is in telling this c**t where to go and have him looking forward to the trip!

Convince him that leaving was his own idea shake his hand and tell him how sorry you are to be loosing him as he leaves, everyone is happy, time is not lost, costs a lot less, minimum staff disruption and once he has gone everyone forgets him very very quickly.

In the case you have outlined you may have won the war but was there any need for the battle in the first place? IE: Recruit in haste, repent at leisure.

That was still a very very expensive lesson!

With the advantage of 20/20 hindsight do you think you would ever make that same mistake again, even more importantly could you afford to? Cheers John.

That's my point John, I'm not happy that I was forced to go through this process. However, the win was personal for me. This person worked for 3 major NZ companies, had glowing references and talked the talk.

What I learnt as a general rule was that for senior execs, don't hire kiwi's. Without huge resource around them, they are useless.

Trying to convince him to leave didn't work. He actually liked the job in a Company that is growing and in an exciting space.

[oldrider]

That's my point John, I'm not happy that I was forced to go through this process. However, the win was personal for me. This person worked for 3 major NZ companies, had glowing references and talked the talk.

What I learnt as a general rule was that for senior execs, don't hire kiwi's. Without huge resource around them, they are useless.

Trying to convince him to leave didn't work. He actually liked the job in a Company that is growing and in an exciting space.

It is true Finn, the ones that are painted up by multiple previous pisshole managers are pretty hard to spot especially if they are skilled actors with it.
You really have to dig deep and sometimes you still get done.
Congratulations on your win. Cheers John.

[Wolf]

The morons that create these idealistic laws don't understand the wider implications such as what Wolf described. This prick that I hired had a direct impact on the team that worked around him. These people work hard and he made their life a living hell to the point that 3 of them wanted to leave.

I hear ya on that. The Ineptitude poster boy had his immediate colleagues and people in other departments wondering why they bothered working when you could be paid to just turn up and sit around all day merely by claiming incompetency. A bad employee of that sort or the sort Finn describes can seriously ruin a work environment.

Worked with a few wankers in the past but mostly I've had good teams - the difference is astronomical. One prick can ruin a work environment to the point no one else wants to turn up..

[Brett]

This is the very reason that we have moved to contracting out all of the work that we can at my company. Everytime that someone leaves, we try to replace them with a person on contract. It may intitially cost a bit more, i.e. their charge out rate, but when it comes to their lack of performance, it is much cheaper to get them to walk. This doesn't work in all industries. granted.
The sooner the 33% tax rate drops the better. Having some dickhead government claim a third of the profit is a bitch. As you mentioned Finn, they also then go about planning legislation, trade agreements etc. that in the end have implicaions that could see the end of your company (seen that happen too many times.) or at least make your trading that much bloody harder.

The only reason someone would be happy with Helen is if they are sitting on their arse on the benefit collecting a hefty dole payment while being as productive as a lump of dirt. NO productive person can possibly be inspired to work hard under labour, hence my primary reason for hating Labour with a total passion, everything is geared such that it promotes laziness!

How about we see some of the surplus announced this week go towards an IMMEDIATE reduction in the company tax rates (primarily) and to personal tax rates (secondarily), not wait for that BASTARD Cullen to offer it just before election.

[Lou Girardin]

Unfortunately, he was a lefty and so too is the ERA.

The person that handled the case from the ERA was superb..

So you got the only righty in the bunch?
Or perhaps the ERA do the best they can with the laws they have.