Bike theft/tourists abducted

**Bend-it** · 13th November 2006, 10:08

I guess the trouble is where the tradeoff is between a safe society and a free society. In heavily policed states, there is alot of safety, but not freedom.

NZ is strange, we have an economy closer to socialism (39% tax, complete socialism is just $100% tax) than others, but very liberal legislation...

No wonder we're all mad.

**Swoop** · 13th November 2006, 10:13

Originally Posted by Pixie

Can anyone give a good reason why the scum that abducted the tourists shouldn't be blasted in the face with a shotgun and left to die?

Think of all the social workers, judges, politicians, rehabilitation consultants, prison wardens, etc that you would be doing out of a job!
Efficient systems, like what you propose, will not be tolerated in our country!

**35tickets** · 13th November 2006, 10:19

This from http://xtramsn.co.nz/news/0,,11964-6556821,00.html

"Far North mayor Yvonne Sharp says the terrifying ordeal two tourists endured near Paihia is a horrible and rare event to happen in her district."

What a crock of shit!! What she should be saying is this sort of thing happens all the time in Northland aka the wild north.

I remember another instance when 2 guys left their vehicle to go surfing only to come back and find all their gear and bags stolen. The "locals" denied any knowledge of the theft, while all the time they were even taken pictures of themselves with the guys stolen cameras. Then police did fuck all about it too.

What a great society we have up here. Tourists shouldn't even bother heading north of auckland, its safer not to.

**Bend-it** · 13th November 2006, 10:23

Recently in Thailand, a British tourist got raped and murdered in Koh Samui... The prime minister appeared on TV and said, "I want the perpetrators killed." And he got it! What a great country!

Surely there's a happy median...

**Paul in NZ** · 13th November 2006, 10:36

I make a point of telling anyone that tours here on a bike to NEVER leave it unattended with their gear attached. Likewise, I cannot understand why people hire campervans - it's like a big sign that says rob me....

Thats no excuse of course - the useless drug / booze addicted generation needs sorting out big time. Honest to god I'm sick of the violence and picking up their bills. I'm afraid the far north and the east cape are two places we are quite careful about leaving anything unattended or making yourself vunerable to these idiots. Both have got about as much fun as down town...

**Swoop** · 13th November 2006, 10:37

Originally Posted by Bend-it

The prime minister appeared on TV and said, "I want the perpetrators killed." And he got it! What a great country!

I would love to see Heilen Klerke stand up in public and say that......

**35tickets** · 13th November 2006, 10:39

Originally Posted by Bend-it

Recently in Thailand, a British tourist got raped and murdered in Koh Samui... The prime minister appeared on TV and said, "I want the perpetrators killed." And he got it! What a great country!

Surely there's a happy median...

Thats exactly what we need over here, although I can't see our leader giving it any thought except to maybe increase their [the scum bags] dole money

Maybe a similarity with Arab countries needed as well....you steal, you have your hands cuts off. We should add to this by if you rape, you get your dick cut off, and if you murder, you get you head cut off.

Unfortunately while its great to rant and rave about it, no-one will actually ever do anything about it and we will remain a nation with a third world country crime rate.

**Macktheknife** · 13th November 2006, 10:46

Originally Posted by 35tickets

Nothing surprises me in this fucked up country. People need to wake up and realise that New Zealand is not a safe place to travel or do anything in. Its becoming on par with South Africa here and having shit like this happening here will only make them [tourists] go back to their friends and family in their country and tell them "well fuck NZ don't go there its fill of fucking dirtbags, murderers and rapists"....watch them stay away and keep their currency in their pocket.

I'm disgusted with whats happening here, and to sum it up its so fucking typical of Northland that I have to say that yes I am ashamed to be a New Zealander and even be associated with a country where we have a fucking bullshit legal system and a society where its fine to breed criminals.

I am very pleased to say, this is not correct! (regarding R.S.A.)
Scumbags? bloody oath, maximum punishment please.
Feel no shame for who you are and where you come from, is it your fault that there are theiving scumbags in NZ? Theives rapists and scum are found in every country and culture, not our fault.
On the subject of punishment however, time to get tough.

**Toaster** · 13th November 2006, 10:48

I am sick of seeing crims get away with so much in our politically correct soft-stance "hug an offender" society. Many crims are happy in jail - so where is the deterrent? It's just a normal part of their lifestyle.

They are kept warm and cosy and very well fed and entertained at our expense. Yet we have to work our balls off to earn the things we have and the holidays we get, while these scum hurt us and steal from us without any hesitation in the world.... and they are also usually collecting taxpayer funded benefits while the plunder and steal, intimidate and crap over the good people in society.

**The_Dover** · 13th November 2006, 10:49

Originally Posted by Toaster

Many crims are happy in jail

many of us are happy out of it too, thanks very much.

**Toaster** · 13th November 2006, 10:52

Bring back the stocks... lets throw shit at them! then hang em... (after the cops tazer their asses). Stop wasting taxpayer money using our wet-blanket court system. If its beyond doubt they are guilty why let them have an expensive trial? ITS ALL BOLLOCKS.... I need a beer......

**Toaster** · 13th November 2006, 10:57

... no offence intended at anyone who has reformed of course... I'm just an angry man.

**35tickets** · 13th November 2006, 11:29

Originally Posted by Toaster

... no offence intended at anyone who has reformed of course... I'm just an angry man.

I'm an angry man too, and apoligies to MacktheKnife, I've been to RSA and found it to be a fantastic country with fantastic people.

Crime is everywhere and in every country, it just really shits me when its in my own backyard.

**Roj** · 13th November 2006, 11:29

Originally Posted by 35tickets

Nothing surprises me in this fucked up country. People need to wake up and realise that New Zealand is not a safe place to travel or do anything in. Its becoming on par with South Africa here

While these crimes are bad, fortunately for us, NZ is nowhere as bad as SA. I have spent some time talking to a couple who were police officers in SA, they were telling a story of a tourist reporting a carjacking, what surpised them most that the tourist was alive to be able to report the incident, the number of murders in NZ in a year might make one day over in SA, they just don't even get to the papers let alone headlines.

As for the perpetraters of these crimes, just occasionally the police should be less politically correct and deal with them.

My wife is going through a court case after she was knocked off her bike, the lawyer for the defendant asked for a "restorative justice conference" My lady started the process supposedly as the victim to be able to have her say, when we discussed things with the facilitator, she was told she couldn't show the offender pictures of her injuries as that would traumatise the offender...

And we thought it was about the victim letting the offender know what they had been through

I think a little less PC and a large dose more justice would sort the problem out