Hardcore Biker
Yeah it was in todays Herald.
The M113 might be better offroad but its armour can't even stop a .50 cal whereas the NZLAV has so many high tech gadgets, its like comparing a tractor to the space shuttle.
Yeah I might be a little bias since I'm the one who has to sit in it.
Out of interest, heres a pic of a weapons effect demonstration on an M113. The big hole is an 84mm Carl Gustav, next biggest M72. The NZLAV only stops up to .50 cal AP.
The metal is always nude.
Here's a couple of pics of UN painted APC's.
Note the external armour.
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Aargh, photos!
Fuck Hoon, thats pretty impressive but it proves that APC's are still bullet magnets. BTW, are you a crewman on a LAV?
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I think we origally had more APC's but as they broke down, crashed... wouldn't start... over the years they stripped the parts to keep a substainable working fleet... and the more peace keeping NZ got involved with the more parts were needed...Originally Posted by Sniper
We did this in the Navy fleet vechiles as well, including ships. we useto be a 4 frigate navy one was always in refit, one on station in NZ waters somewhere and the other two could and would be anywhere else in the world
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Try flying to Oz in an Andover....
Refuel in Norfolk Island and it was still at least a six hour trip each way!
(^*$king crew that neglected to see if meals had been loaded for the passengers... "oops no. OK then, we'll just have a fry up for the flight crew instead..." bastards!)
Who was the sniper in Waiberia that used to bounce .30cal rounds off of the APCs? There was a rumour of .50cal being used on them at long range...
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Hardcore Biker
That photo is of a Carl Gustav hitting the ramp door.
Pity they can't hit anything an other time.
I don't have hair on my balls,
Hair doesn't grow on steel
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Hey Mate I like my toys as much as the next man and I will fight for the biggest baddest shit we can get in the Navy
Well to be honest the 65 113s would actually get to areas of interest before the LAVs. Tracks seem to work alot better in mud and shit you find on the islands than the wheels.......
Read a large report in one of the Military Tech mags on the usefulness of LAVs and the like in modern combat and only M1A1's are capable of surviving in urban combat, unless you pack on heaps of external armour, the cheapness of RPG7s and the like has reduced the impact of armoured columns in urban environments
and anyway a 50 cal will slice through a LAV or anything smaller than a tank esy as a hot knife through butter.....
You not talking about a SeaSprite ???? The Navy choppers ??? As we aint got no NH90s yet.
They are fun pieces of kit, leap of the deck of the ship like a rocket it feels like from the belly of the beast.
NH90 are sort of jack of all trades I am leant to believe. But will fit on the NUSHIP Canterbury just nicely .
Top speed matters jack when the LAV is stuck at the first culvert or river !
Went on a run in a 113 in training from the 115 howitzer position to the impact point, got to love the artillery whistle!
The LAVs can fit in a Herc if the tires are deflated etc..... a moot point really since they wont make Aus with that load anyway ....... if they are even operational that day......
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That would depend on what enviroment they're required to operate in, there would be situations where the LAV would be better than the M113 as well
Is it that important that they do?, if they have to ship a decent amount of them anywhere they're not going to fly them in anyway
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If you are talking about the pieces of cracked, worn out, out of date M113A1's our govt are sending to the scrap heap, good ridence to them. I would rather have seen them been updated to the latest model to save tax money. But we now have the latest and that is the latest model LAV (the yank dont even have this model yet) that money can buy.
From experence I would rather go on a UN deployment in a machine that is comfortable and purpose built than a 35 year old tin can that had bolt on armour that fell off when touched by a Brit Warrior. They also put a two ton belly plate on it to assist in mine defence along with kevlar mesh screens on the inside all adding weight to a under powered out of date lump of crap. Try keeping up n a patrol with Brit Scimatar's and Warrior's both capable of 85+ Kmph and our good old M113 at 40kmph, we looked like dicks (and dont get me started on the Series 2 Landrovers).
Why did they buy so many? I guess so they can deploy a Infantry company and still have enough in NZ for training the next deployment, without taking all the APC's the the "other" Battalion would be using at the time. This is not taking into consideration the recovery, ambulance, comand variants etc.
I commend the govt for buying the best they could, we will ,in true kiwi tradition be using these things in 30 years at least the LAV will get us there, something the M113's I doubt would have.
It would take more work to get a M113 with the T50 turret in a Herc than the LAV. I would rather let some tyres down using the central inflation sysem than remove a turret.
Its harder to lose weight than gain horsepower.
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No one left to turn it into anything.
Its harder to lose weight than gain horsepower.
Kiwi back at home!
Are they getting them? Aint they using Bradley fighting vehicles?
We just got 7 new vessels and only lost one 40odd year old steam ship....
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Yes they use the LAV but when we ordered them it was the newest model. Yeah for NZ we are the crash test dummies. The world is watching.
Its harder to lose weight than gain horsepower.
Hardcore Biker
NO the merekins got their LAVs before us. Their order took precedence as they were getting large numbers.
The Striker is used in an APC role and not an IFV hence the one man turret. It is not designed to stay and fight but to rock up then piss off.
I don't have hair on my balls,
Hair doesn't grow on steel
Aargh, photos!
Spud is right. The Americans got the LAV GenII, we got the LAV GenIII
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