Gunshop employee charged

[jrandom]

So, how about when we get one of those foreign big wigs visiting. Accompanied by numerous bodyguard types all sporting dark glassess and bulges under the arm?

Oh, yeah, fun and games. I was working at the Navman office when the Chinese gubmint 2IC came calling. Love the bulgy suits and earpieces, eh? Local cops swept the place for bombs beforehand, but missed our little area. Good thing, too, 'cos I had a couple boxes of ammo in my desk.

Never liked them Tie-neez bastards anyway, eh? If I'd thought to chuck a firearm in my tankbag that morning, I coulda popped a cap in his little yellow arse and died riddled with 9mms, just like in the movies.

But, like I said. Joe Public. Bulgy-suit-diplomatic-protection-guys aren't Joe Public.

[jrandom]

I'm quite close to the facts on this one...

You sound like you're dropping hints. Do you know stuff you promised someone you wouldn't talk about?

If you didn't promise, how about sharing? We'd all love the inside goss.

[scumdog]

The cop looked very uncomfortable trying to answer the questions.

Hmmmm, probably because some shiney-bum higher up duck-shovelled the 'speak to the media' job onto him,

[mstriumph]

So, how about when we get one of those foreign big wigs visiting. Accompanied by numerous bodyguard types all sporting dark glassess and bulges under the arm?

Either they are issued some sort of licence or the police decide not to enforce the law. ..............

this annoys the bejaysus out of me, too .............. laws [if you have to have them] should be applied equally if you expect any sensible person to respect them

how come foreign racehorses and circus animals can come trotting [or cantering - slithering or watever] into the country when your great aunt maud [if you had one] would have to have her pekenese languishing in quarantine for umpty-ump months before it was deemed 'no longer a risk to resident fauna'????

it's a travesty!

every time the authorities give a bunch of imports a 'special case' status that advantages them over the country's citizenery it encourages flouting by that citizenery [if there is such a word - admit i just made it up - 'citizens' just didn't seem to fit]

...... and i don't even HAVE a great aunt maude ...... with or without pekenese ...

[jrandom]

this annoys the bejaysus out of me, too...

'One law for all' doesn't apply here.

You don't want the public carrying guns because it will result in an upswing in the effects of violent crime.

You do want foreign bigwigs protected by guys with guns, because it's a Bad Thing when foreign bigwigs get hurt by nutters in your backyard. Embarrassing, like. And the guys around them with guns are not going to cause trouble. They are going to reduce the likelihood of trouble.

It's called pragmatism, and it beats the hell out of mindless application of the letter of the law.

[McJim]

You sound like you're dropping hints. Do you know stuff you promised someone you wouldn't talk about?

If you didn't promise, how about sharing? We'd all love the inside goss.

I've made a promise. no more comments from me on this subject.

I'm sure all relevant details will be made public at the appropriate time.

[mstriumph]

'One law for all' doesn't apply here.

You don't want the public carrying guns because it will result in an upswing in the effects of violent crime.

You do want foreign bigwigs protected by guys with guns, because it's a Bad Thing when foreign bigwigs get hurt by nutters in your backyard. Embarrassing, like. And the guys around them with guns are not going to cause trouble. They are going to reduce the likelihood of trouble.

It's called pragmatism, and it beats the hell out of mindless application of the letter of the law.

not personally convinced

we are not worthy of adult status - not to be trusted to exercise equality prudently?

and it follows that it is a Good Thing that the nanny state removes it from us by being ever vigilant to protect us, each and every one, from our own base impulses?

we are worthy of something more, methinks

It's called freedom - and it beats the hell out of mindless acceptance of authority

[jrandom]

It's called freedom - and it beats the hell out of mindless acceptance of authority

Presumably you're thinking about the 'right to go forth armed' question. Generic talk about freedom is neither here nor there.

'Exercise equality prudently'? Gimme a break. Go read the 'P' thread, and then come back here and tell me with a straight face that we should acknowledge some sort of broad human right to carry weapons around each other.

You want to have the 'right' as part of your 'adult status' to walk past my house carrying a firearm, and expect me to trust your 'adult judgment' while my kids are playing in the front yard? Fuck you and the horse you rode in on.

[mstriumph]

arrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

but isn't that what civilization is meant to be about? mutual trust and interdependance?

[jrandom]

but isn't that what civilization is meant to be about? mutual trust and interdependance?

"Peace for our time", eh?

No.

It's about keeping the monster chained.

There will always be a class of individual, always in the minority, who are trustworthy enough to guard the locked door. It's foolish to pretend that everyone should be given the key.

[mstriumph]

i don't necessarily disagree about the 'trusted minority'

............. just about who that minority is...... and the criteria for determining 'trustworthiness'

.. oh yes - and who should do the 'determining' *sigh*


power corrupts [etc., et al ..............]






but then - i'm a 6', left-handed, middle-aged, celtic, female bike-rider with a thirst for truth and justice and a bad attitude - what the hell do i know??..............

[scumdog]

but then - i'm a 6', left-handed, middle-aged, celtic, female bike-rider with a thirst for truth and justice and a bad attitude - what the hell do i know??..............

SNAP!
I'm a 6'3" left-handed middle-aged celtic male bike rider with a thirst for truth and justice and a bad attitude - oh and a penchant for fire-arms and gas-guzzling dinosaur cars - what the hell do I know?......

[ManDownUnder]

So the prosecution is going ahead? (sory - much to do, little time. reading 20 pages is too much at the mo)

[davereid]

For what its worth mstriumph, I'm with you.

Fish is saying if you carry a gun past his kids, suddenly you could become nutty and kill them.

Quite true, but of course you could easily kill them with your bare hands, a knife or a club.

We have actually had mass murders in this country with a club.

What fish doesnt like to consider is the fact that if you were watching a nutter killing his kids, unarmed you would probably just have to watch them die. Armed you could stop it.

Guns dont make people more violent, thats just anti gun rubbish. What guns do is make females, the elderly, and the small able to defend themselves.

There is a mistaken belief that guns and violence go together. In fact the reverse is true.

The safest 25 american states all allow you to carry a gun for self defence. The most dangerous state is NYC where guns are banned.

You're 3 times more likely to be shot in Manchester England (Coronation st City) than you are to murdered by all causes in North Dakota.

So, while I wont break the law and carry a gun for self defence, I do think I should be able to.

[davereid]

Oops I said NYC.. should be Washington DC