Road policing activities

[Skyryder]

Call me a fucking wanker and a tosser? Your a fuckwit, well actually just a fuck cause you havent got any wits .

A few more cops on the road like you and SD and there would not be the need for Tasors. We'd kill our selves with laughing.

Skyryder

[iwilde]

If you go Fishing Lou , Do you Catch All Of The Fish In The Sea?????.

Guys we all make Mistakes, we all are human, And despite a few Bad apples , I`d say without a doubt that for what the govt pays our boys in Blue, they Do the best Damn Job that they Can.
I know one or two guys...well actually quite a lot of them , and its just from talking to them with respect that I get the same back.
I`m a truck driver and get pulled over by CVIU a few times a year,...They Know most of the Drivers that they pull from reputation IE if your a smart arse then most of the officers will Know and treat you the same, if you treat them as human beings you get respect back, I will Often ring up my mates at cviu if i have a problem understanding a rule or regulation and want clarification, Which Often means I will be subjected to a beating and a pepper spray at the nearest weighbridge...well not really just jks there.

What I am saying is that rather than criticise try doing the job yourself then see what you think...

piss poor wage
little support from superiors
Public judgement
Abuse

And the list goes on.
But at least we still have the right to Freedom Of speech .

Have to agree here. I wouldn't care if they paid the cops $127000/yr round about the same as a bloody useless Polly in Wellington. But I would expect value for money and a culling of the bad apples. It would most likely attract a more intelligent type of officer instead of the X-All Black inspired rugby drop outs we have now. We already have some bloody good cops now that are in danger of leaving due to the rot that the idiots have spread. Pay them the money, and expect the results to follow

[Toaster]

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Agreed. Been there done that myself - and yes, outputs are a part of almost any employment role.... police are no different and are expected to pull their weight and produce results in arrests/road policing enforcement etc. There is nothing wrong with that and gives taxpayers some return on the investment made.

The road policing strategies in place are about reducing road deaths and crashes. I am sure we would all be happier if the risks of us getting wiped out while out riding by some other tosser were lower because of the contribution made by policing to safer travel on NZ roads.

Keep up the good work locking up them PRNs dude.

[SwanTiger]

A few more cops on the road like you and SD and there would not be the need for Tasors. We'd kill our selves with laughing.

Skyryder

I kind of think the Tazor is quite a nifty Police 'resource'.

Here is an example of two instances:

Irrate ex-husband comes onto womans property with an axe threating to arm her and daughter. He won't leave and is in a wound up state. How do you pepper spray or communicate sense to such a person, or to go one further, what if he is on drugs and is beyond reasoning?

A drug fuelled loony decided to break into a KFC (Dyna you mighta heard about this one) and mess with all the food. He smeared his own fecies (yes, shit, stools, excrement, crap... warm stinky crap) all over the frozen chicken and other food items in the food storage areas. He then smeared shit all over himself and was irrate. Pepper spray didn't work. What do you do?

BTW - the KFC was promptly shut down, for good. Let's hope KFC don't bring out a 'special peanut butter sauce' in the future.

In both instances an Officer or Officer(s) have to increase their risk of serious injury or death to conclude the situation. With a Tazor it is different, it is a bit like a gun however you have recourse (i.e. the suspect doesn't die, but is equally incapacitated).

Anyway, that doesn't address the issue of misuse. Human error will always prevail, no matter what stops are in place.

[padre]

Who would these community groups be and how would the Police choose which community groups to approach for assistance with their road safety initiative?

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Gidday. Here's how it goes. Community Groups = council road safety co-ordinators and very uninformed interested parties in the community eg the rest home walking group, so long as they are happy to muse endlessly about seatbelts, drunks, intersections and of course the S word.

For a list of eligible Community Groups go see who 2 major road safety funding bodies have favored as shown by their grant records. Both bodies have M.O.T. or LTNZ reps on the board. The Trusts are
1. the Road Safety Trust which gives millions to the AA and back to itself (the LTNZ) and pennies to knitting groups and for road safety mats at primary schools @ $20.
2. The JR McKenzie Trust
If you or Bronz can brownnose enough to get a grant from either of these bodies you are in with a grin. But first recite the following. Can you say "speed kills" 100x, followed by "seatbelts do save people in 100 k head-ons - truly they do" and then learn to say "speed kills" while standing on your head. If your sleep talk consists of "speed kills so bad" you'll make the grade. You may get a 50$ grant - not a mill like the AA... cos they deserve it they so sold out.


Incidentally I agree with Skyrider - it is revenue raising - 100%. There may be dd road safety benefits to speed contol tho its verey debatable. I say this based upon having viewed Treasury papers. Which set a requirement for fines revenue to produce a draw even on the Road Safety Program National Adverts.

Also based on an Economists report held by Treasury that outlines the ticket numbers needed to employ x number of cops at x amount of dollars plus to pay for their vehicles and gas costs and other incidentals. Saidd report looks at how well several different Countries are balancing their books or road safety accounts with fines - not just speeding ones but the whole shebang.

Lastly I want to highlight that a passage in that volume for which the thread was started states that a KPI (key perf. indicator) is that cops will be issuing at least 25% of their tickets for offenses that are negligent or dangerous enough to result in trauma.

Would any of the boys in blue here accounted for care to explain. Are you currently issuing over 75% of tickets for non safety related traffic offences? Be most interesting to hear what those offences are - speeding perhaps?

One is referred to a table I could not find that lists trauma related offences - is speed on it? And more t the point what are these other (non safety related) offences attracting the lions share of tickets.

Are the bulk of tickets issued for safety reasons then? Seems not. And if not why not. Area Commanders have some explaining to do. And you will find an article coming out January in a prestigious magazine will be turning some a shade of beetroot - many of their Press utterances of recent days will be a source of deep embarrassmet come the big expose. Down trou

[HenryDorsetCase]

Hmm


Now , it seems to me that these crash books should be in the public domain. The public after all, have a right to know what roads are safe and wat are not, and the information is funded at taxpayer expense. and such information could hardly be argued to be confidential

And if the police are indeed following these RTPPs , then the conclusion is obvious. And no, I'm not going to spell it out.

The Official Information Act is your friend. After the Pleece turn you down, you will need to apply to the Ombudsman. As you say, the way we pay these people to police our roads must be subject to our scrutiny.

[SwanTiger]

If you or Bronz can brownnose enough to get a grant from either of these bodies you are in with a grin. But first recite the following. Can you say "speed kills" 100x, followed by "seatbelts do save people in 100 k head-ons - truly they do" and then learn to say "speed kills" while standing on your head. If your sleep talk consists of "speed kills so bad" you'll make the grade. You may get a 50$ grant - not a mill like the AA... cos they deserve it they so sold out.

I believe that, where there is a will there is a way.

[RT527]

Are you a volunteer?

FireFighter ?...yes.

[mstriumph]

*sigh* ................

[Lou Girardin]

If you go Fishing Lou , Do you Catch All Of The Fish In The Sea?????.

No, but I'd fish in different possies from time to time. You might not get a bin of schoolies, but you could get a couple of big Kings.

[doc]

Whats up doc...you seemed to have pulled your gruds out the back of your pants

Im a general duties cop you idiot for a start, if you think what I do isnt a real job, hell come and try it and then tell me what you think...there is no radar or laser detection instruments in my car. When did i say it "makes my day???? Im not talking about "quotas" im talking about how the Police gathers information and puts it on a national grid. They do that for all parts of the Police including all the stuff outside the traffic side. I dont think its a bad thing to monitor whats going on. You have missed my point completley or you are on some blanket anti cop binge. I aint got any time for that single minded bullshit.

I do know that a lot of bikers could take a corner on an open road at speed and pull it off safely where as a junior biker or average car driver couldnt and struggles to at the current speed limit. The liberals would never allow motorcycists to have a higher speed toleration on the open road based on their experience though; apart from sub 100 like the 70km hr restriction on learner riders.

While i dont know what you do it is a bit rich commenting on whats a real job from the safety of your arm chair.

I speed, you speed, everybody speeds at times....im commenting on government policy and how the police gathers information, not how the road is being policed.

Call me a fucking wanker and a tosser? Your a fuckwit, well actually just a fuck cause you havent got any wits .

Quite proud of ourselves aren't we. Run along and gather more intelligence, that will fix the problem.

[Grahameeboy]

Quite proud of ourselves aren't we. Run along and gather more intelligence, that will fix the problem.

What's up Doc......

[doc]

What's up Doc......

Run out of lions to feed christians too.

[Grahameeboy]

Run out of lions to feed christians too.

Don't eat red meat...sorry....peace be with you...........

[denill]

Of course they can - it's just in the road policing side of things ACC want to see proof that their money is being used for what it was intended for.

Name me on job where there is not some form of checks and balances??

Well knock me over with a feather
It wasn't too long ago that we were assured by (the ones we should be able to trust) that there was no such thing as a Quota System

But we ALL knew that was bullshit too!