Exclusion of Motards from F1, F2 & F3: Good or bad?

[White trash]

I have no problem with them, they use the same sorta lines I do and are easy to blast by on the straight bits......though I can see how they would be a headache on a 125.
What the real issue is is why I can't enter f2 on my old 750 that's slower than most 600's????

Because it's not slower than most 600s ya cagey old bastard!

[Bonez]

Leave them in. Much more interesting to watch than those plastic covered things.

If they comply with the entry critaria what is the problem?

[scott411]

as a motard rider (and motocross rider) i can see both arguments,

at wanganui you had to have 2 bikes to enter 2 classes, so you could choose one or the other and it was stated on the entry form that you could choose between F3, bears (if your bike was euro) or motard, fair enough, one rule for everyone,

i actually agree that motard bikes should keep to their own class, however this rule should apply to bears as well as f3,

and can someone tell me why bears has thier own seperate class when allt eh bikes are eliglbe for the other classes, but thier is no japanese race?

[Bonez]

and can someone tell me why bears has thier own seperate class when allt eh bikes are eliglbe for the other classes, but thier is no japanese race?

That just would not be cricket ol' boy.

[Sketchy_Racer]

Leave them in. Much more interesting to watch than those plastic covered things.

If they comply with the entry critaria what is the problem?

Its all about riding style.

Exscpescially the Foot down thing.

Heres an example, I come up the inside of a motard on my 125 (cause motards are slow around corners) And Mr Motard decides now is the time to put his foot out.

Great.

Even a little kick is enough to through a 125 outta line. It aint fun.

Luckily, i am yet to have to excperience any problems riding with them (only 1 meeting on the 125)

But as said in my previous post, Most bikes -should- be able to cross enter.
Eg.

Motards + Bears (if eligible)
The 89 400s in f3 and post classics
125gp + Supersport

And any other combo. but only 2 classes. No more. Unless more than 1 person is riding the bike.

1 Class really aint alot of ride time, and unless the numbers at race tracks are getting really bad (which Definatly not an issue... yet ) It makes it more worth while for people to come race if they can cross enter.

-Glen

[Goblin]

I enjoyed racing with the Motards at my second race meeting. The way I see it, is the racing line is the racing line no matter what you're riding and the only variation is when you're passing someone or trying not to be passed. I think alot of people get pissed off at being beaten by a chook chaser. Simple as that!

[idleidolidyll]

Harden the fuck up.
When I was racing there were 'motards' in many of the races (even though the name hadn't been coined yet). They rode them then because they could generally only afford one bike and it was a dirt bike as was suited to most of their riding outside racing.
As for different lines: bullshit. The only motarder taking 'different' lines at Wanganui was the Aussie on the Aprilia and his lines were not that much different. Inexperienced racers on ANY bike are far more dangerous than a good rider on a motard. Besides, TAKING DIFFERENT LINES IS WHAT RACING IS ABOUT! How the fuck can you pass a bike if all you do is follow the same bloody line!?
Let them race in any and every class they are eligible to enter: it keeps numbers up and provides a great spectacle too.
Motorcycling NZ has fucked thios one up big time. NZ racing is too small to bar bikes from multiple entries in classes. Every bike that is eligible should be able to enter a class and the only stipulationcould be that slugs are excluded if they are outside 10% of the fastest time etc (as in international racing). That would get rid of the dangerous fukkers and I guarantee most of those would be on road bikes piloted by people who are just fukken slow.
I think back to Taupo many years ago when I was leading an F1 club race on a CBR600. Yogi on his GSXR100 was on my tail and on the last lap we both hit the corner at the end of the front straight at the same time as a first timer on an RD400. The RD rider was inexperienced and took both of us out and then had the temerity to say "There was no way those two guys could have gotten around the corner at the speeds they were riding", BUT WE HAD RIDDEN EVERY LAP AT THE SAME PACE!
Roadbike riders who complain are just a bunch of pansies.

[idleidolidyll]

I enjoyed racing with the Motards at my second race meeting. The way I see it, is the racing line is the racing line no matter what you're riding and the only variation is when you're passing someone or trying not to be passed. I think alot of people get pissed off at being beaten by a chook chaser. Simple as that!

good on yer! That's exactly it in a nutshell. There is no 'racing line'. That's a bloody myth. A racer takes whatever line they can to pass the bike in front without falling off. If they don't, they don't pass and never win.

[GSVR]

It all depends if you race one or not doesn't it. I don't care anymore. I hope no one complains if I turn up to race F3 on a 250 Grand Prix bike.

[Goblin]

It all depends if you race one or not doesn't it. I don't care anymore. I hope no one complains if I turn up to race F3 on a 250 Grand Prix bike.

So what did you vote on the poll Garry?

[GSVR]

So what did you vote on the poll Garry?

If I voted in the poll that would be taking sides.I don't like racing against them (Motards) but its not an issue as they aren't allowed in any of the leading north island the club series. ie AMCC and Vic Club. Pacific Club series is basically a trackday that you race at. I'm entering F1 2 and 3 at that one these days so I can just hoon around. Theres nothing to stop me entering the Motard class as well if I wanted so why rock the boat and end up with less racing. Taupo seems like Motard Capital so when in Rome...

My personal view is that all roadracing bikes should be fitted with a full fairing unless the class is specified as a naked class, Clubmans or anything goes.

[TonyB]

So far the only racers who have said they have no problem seem to be ones who either race motards or a road bike with enough grunt to get by them. 125 GP bikes and less powerful F3 bikes have to rely on maintaining a high corner speed to do a quick lap. Motards tend to be slower in the corners, but they accelerate out well, so the 125 GP bikes in particular get bogged down and can't get a flow happening. On a tight technical circuit this means they are buggered.

My viewpoint is that the guys on Motards are getting a huge amount of track time, while the rider on the 125 GP bike or F3 bike is getting sweet bugger all, and then to top it off they are then unable to race their bikes in the way they are designed to be raced, because there are Motards on the track.

I have been in a situation similar to this several times when racing my bucket with the 150s- the back marker 150s are slow through the corners, but they accelerate out again far quicker. Quite often you can be having a great race with 2 or three other buckets, then come up on a 150. What always happens is that the buckets get split up- there are only so many places on a race track where a less powerful machine can get in front and stay there, the buckets may all get past the 150 over the course of a lap, but then it will haul most of them back in on the straights. If one managed to get by early enough to pull a big enough gap to stay in front, they will end up isolated a few hundred metres ahead of the others. This happened to Dangerous, K14 and I at Levels a couple of years ago. We were having a good close race when we came up on a 150. It took three laps for us all to get past and stay there, and we ended up seperated by maybe 150m each at the of the race. Thats not such a big issue for us in buckets- we know its likely to happen, and we haven't exactly invested thousands in our bikes, but for the riders in F3 etc who HAVE invested thousands and are having their races buggered up, I can see why they would have a problem.

[TonyB]

Erm- I should also point out that I have been the slow rider on the powerful bike a few times too, and if I realise I'm buggering up someonelses race I'll wave them through.

[terbang]

I think alot of people get pissed off at being beaten by a chook chaser. Simple as that!

You got it....!

[Sketchy_Racer]

Harden the fuck up.
When I was racing there were 'motards' in many of the races (even though the name hadn't been coined yet). They rode them then because they could generally only afford one bike and it was a dirt bike as was suited to most of their riding outside racing.
As for different lines: bullshit. The only motarder taking 'different' lines at Wanganui was the Aussie on the Aprilia and his lines were not that much different. Inexperienced racers on ANY bike are far more dangerous than a good rider on a motard. Besides, TAKING DIFFERENT LINES IS WHAT RACING IS ABOUT! How the fuck can you pass a bike if all you do is follow the same bloody line!?
Let them race in any and every class they are eligible to enter: it keeps numbers up and provides a great spectacle too.
Motorcycling NZ has fucked thios one up big time. NZ racing is too small to bar bikes from multiple entries in classes. Every bike that is eligible should be able to enter a class and the only stipulationcould be that slugs are excluded if they are outside 10% of the fastest time etc (as in international racing). That would get rid of the dangerous fukkers and I guarantee most of those would be on road bikes piloted by people who are just fukken slow.
I think back to Taupo many years ago when I was leading an F1 club race on a CBR600. Yogi on his GSXR100 was on my tail and on the last lap we both hit the corner at the end of the front straight at the same time as a first timer on an RD400. The RD rider was inexperienced and took both of us out and then had the temerity to say "There was no way those two guys could have gotten around the corner at the speeds they were riding", BUT WE HAD RIDDEN EVERY LAP AT THE SAME PACE!
Roadbike riders who complain are just a bunch of pansies.

Ok thats fine. I'll harden up.

But I'll remind YOU to harden up when i slam into you cause your chock chaser is holding me up in the turns.

You ride a motard, so of course your gonna want as much track time as you can get.

How about stop being so damn greedy and just stick to your class?? Simple huh?

The lines you guys take arent much of an issue its the Wank factor riding you do (backing it in, and the whole foot out)

How about YOU motard guys harden the fuck up, and learn to ride with your foot on the peg?
And how about YOU motard guys learn to come into a corner with out crossing it up?

Sure do it in your motard class, but dont fucken do it in any of the road bike classes!!

Oh, and im sure you would bitch endlessly if i entered your class on a 125gp bike and whooped your arses?? So, dont come into the road bike classes.