Exclusion of Motards from F1, F2 & F3: Good or bad?

[scracha]

As some of you know I'm just getting into this racing thing but surely it's the people actually doing the racing who have a say. From reading on the forums here I get the vibe that most "traditional" sportsbike riders don't relish the thought of spending their hard earnt money racing against supermotards. If "traditional" F1/F2/F3 riders aren't happy with supermotard riders competing against them in the same race then as far as I'm concerned that's where the argument should end. You don't see sidecar racers complaining about not being able to compete in F1 do you?

It's about competitive racing, improving your riding (does racing against supermotards helps either rider improve (this isn't bait..I genuinely don't know) ?), having fun and spectator entertainment isn't it? Piss a lot of F3 riders and they'll vote with their feet. Piss a lot of supermotard riders off and they'll also vote with their feet (Piss everyone off and the spectators will vote with their feet).

If there are so many supermotard entries then they should have more races or have "junior" and "senior" supermotard classes. Preferably on additional sections with dirt, jumps and water on the track (they get the hoses out on the tracks in France).

Arguments about building "best bikes within the rules" are a waste of time. Rules are made to be broken and race vehicles that piss off into the distance even though they are within the rules normally get banned quite quickly (Kawasaki turbo, 6 wheel formula 1 cars, etc).

[Crasherfromwayback]

Oh goody, lets ban taking different lines and riding different styles now huh?
While we're at it, lets punish those smart folk who choose the best bike to win a class.

Someone better tell Rossi if he ever rides here that he has to take 125 lines and never back his GP bike into a corner or spin/slide it out or we'll invent a whoile new class just for Valentino Rossi.

This is a dumb thread

It's not at all a dumb thread....it just has the 'odd' dumb input.

[Goblin]

It's about competitive racing, improving your riding (does racing against supermotards helps either rider improve (this isn't bait..I genuinely don't know) ?), having fun and spectator entertainment isn't it?

If there are so many supermotard entries then they should have more races or have "junior" and "senior" supermotard classes. Preferably on additional sections with dirt, jumps and water on the track (they get the hoses out on the tracks in France).

Speaking from my own, all be it short, experience in racing...I have so far enjoyed mixing with all different sorts of bikes from the Motards to the 125 2strokes. For me, that's what it's all about. NZ is too small to be bickering about rules and who should be allowed to race in what class. Motard racers pay their entry fees like everybody else so they should be able to run in whatever class they're allowed to. Plus they seem to attract more spectators which has to be good for racing on the whole. If someone wants more track time at race days, buy a bike that can cross enter into other classes instead of moaning about not enough track time. I would like to see a dirt section for Motards at Taupo again....that used to be wicked!

[SixPackBack]

It's not at all a dumb thread....it just has the 'odd' dumb input.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion Crasher

[Crasherfromwayback]

Everyone is entitled to an opinion Crasher

And show me where I said they weren't?
Doesn't mean I have to agree with their opinion though does it?
And if me saying I don't agree isn't just another opinion, then what is it?
And your reply.....how does it differ from mine?

[SixPackBack]

Doesn't mean I have to agree with their opinion though does it?

Chill. Doesn't mean you have to revert to name calling when you don't agree Pete.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Chill. Doesn't mean you have to revert to name calling when you don't agree Pete.

And again mate...show me the 'name'...??

[Rashika]

It's not at all a dumb thread....it just has the 'odd' dumb input.

I'm actually finding it a VERY interesting thread, yup the odd pointless imput but also some excellant points, esp from those who have raced a lot over the years. its curious to see the difference from then to now.

Speaking from my own, all be it short, experience in racing...I have so far enjoyed mixing with all different sorts of bikes from the Motards to the 125 2strokes. For me, that's what it's all about. NZ is too small to be bickering about rules and who should be allowed to race in what class. Motard racers pay their entry fees like everybody else so they should be able to run in whatever class they're allowed to. Plus they seem to attract more spectators which has to be good for racing on the whole. If someone wants more track time at race days, buy a bike that can cross enter into other classes instead of moaning about not enough track time. I would like to see a dirt section for Motards at Taupo again....that used to be wicked!

I would LOVE to see Motards in their element...doing what they are specifically designed to do... racing on a combo of dirt and track.

Unfortunately by being able to enter (for some) almost every class, kinda defeats the purpose of seeing them race each other in their element.

[dangerous]

And again mate...show me the 'name'...??

I have NO idea what the hell hes on about either, name calling christ what ever next.

Speaking from my own, all be it short, experience in racing...
I have so far enjoyed mixing with all different sorts of bikes from the Motards to the 125 2strokes.

Yeah I think if you had been involved out on the track a bit more and found your self locked up heading straight for a tard due to it turning all of a sudon, your green comment may differ, you are still thinking as a spectator.

[SixPackBack]

I have NO idea what the hell hes on about either, name calling christ what ever next.

Calling a post or comment 'dumb' by inference is also calling the person who made the post 'dumb'.
It shows a lack of respect for another persons opinion.

[Rashika]

Calling a post or comment 'dumb' by inference is also calling the person who made the post 'dumb'.
It shows a lack of respect for another persons opinion.

not necessarily... intelligent people can do/say dumb things at times, just like idiots can do smart things at times.

But what did your post contribute to the discussion?

[ManDownUnder]

not necessarily... intelligent people can do/say dumb things at times, just like idiots can do smart things at times.

But what did your post contribute to the discussion?

elicit a response?

[Goblin]

Yeah I think if you had been involved out on the track a bit more and found your self locked up heading straight for a tard due to it turning all of a sudon, your green comment may differ, you are still thinking as a spectator.

No..I am definitely thinking as a competitor. I really do enjoy close racing with all the different sorts of bikes and riders. In fact I would go as far as to say I was disappointed there were no Motards in F3 at my last meeting. If you're locking it up due to someone else turning suddenly, you're obviously doing something wrong....I mean dont we all turn suddenly when we race?

[idleidolidyll]

well said and ya know what? that's a great way to learn to ride better in a race too
if all the bikes take the same lines and you follow them; you learn fuck all

[dangerous]

....I mean dont we all turn suddenly when we race?

Hell no... I like to think I flow nicley to the apex and flow just as sweet out the other side, locking the rear up and sliding it out is not what I call flowing.