Exclusion of Motards from F1, F2 & F3: Good or bad?

**ManDownUnder** · 11th January 2007, 08:57

Originally Posted by NordieBoy

Races a big bore Harley and a DR400.

Ta

Originally Posted by NordieBoy

So Darren Heeman could only race in the motards on his DR400?

Yes! IMHO both rider and vehicle need to be fit to the rules of the class, and need to conform to those requirements. I understand the rider needs a race licence and I understand the bike needs to be a Motard (however that is defined).

Who knows that might also preclude the DR.

The nub of the issue for me is that the F3 roadbikes don't seem to have a pure race class of their own (i.e. if they just want to race each other - they can't. They've had the Motards forced upon them.

I might be wrong there?

What about the Motards? Do any riders have issues racing with the F3 bikes (or can they choose to only enter the pure Motard races complete with III's dirt section)?

**Crasherfromwayback** · 11th January 2007, 15:01

Originally Posted by RG100!!

Read what Dangerous says a again III

you and the motarders, Still, dont get the message.

WE (that is Forumula racers) Do not want you in OUR class. Get the picture? Pretty fucken simple huh?

MOTARDERS would bitch endlessly if i entered a Formula bike into YOUR class, So why different rules for you? ('you' as in motard riders)

When there is NOT enough Motards, Put them in F3, but they get a different flag drop. (Less than 10 motards)

More than that, have your own class and fucken stay in it.

So How about everyone go buy a motard, then we can completly get rid of every other racing class in NZ. GOOD ONE

Mumble mumble fucking idiot mumble

Like I mentioned in an earlier post mate.......saying "we were here first.." is hardly a good enough reason to push them out of your class.

But I do agree with some people's gripes regarding some of the way SOME motards are being ridden. Just beacuse the motard guys and gals see the 'experts' going sideways everywhere on TV, they feel that's the way they need to be ridden.....so they do their 'best' to look all crossed up and sideways. But at a lot of tracks that's simply not the fast way round, and in fact, does fuck up others lines and drive etc.....others even going the fast way round on motard bikes. I've spoken with Aaaron Slight about it, as you may remember he rode a CRF 450 at Wanganui a couple of years back....and he agrees with me....sideways IS NOT the fast way round that place.....

I've raced both 'proper' road race bikes AND motards over the years.....and can see both sides of the coin. But I'm afraid that you're always gonna have people on motards now that think sideways is the way....and yeah....they're fucking everyone off.....we have enough bikes no to do our own thing....lets just leave the tar babies alone.....

For the record.....I wouldn't give a toss if you tar babies wanted to come and race in 'my' class in either moto-x or motard....good luck to ya....hope your radiator is well protected from the rocks and shit I'll spit in your face!

**sAsLEX** · 11th January 2007, 15:06

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

I've spoken with Aaaron Slight about it, as you may remember he rode a CRF 450 at Wanganui a couple of years back....and he agrees with me....sideways IS NOT the fast way round that place.....

Well that guy Briggs......

Is amazing to watch as he backs it in to turn one from further and further out during the meets (05 didnt make it last year)

But then again he can normally afford to loose a little time what with the rest of the chook chasers following in his wake

**Crasherfromwayback** · 11th January 2007, 15:11

Originally Posted by sAsLEX

Well that guy Briggs......

Is amazing to watch as he backs it in to turn one from further and further out during the meets (05 didnt make it last year)

But then again he can normally afford to loose a little time what with the rest of the chook chasers following in his wake

Well at the risk of sounding like a dreamer mate.....I have no doubt WHATSOEVER that if my stock RMZ450 made as much HP as his factory KTM660 (half as big again) I'd have no trouble dispatching him riding round Wanganui with my WHEELS IN LINE.

**bistard** · 11th January 2007, 15:18

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

Well at the risk of sounding like a dreamer mate.....I have no doubt WHATSOEVER that if my stock RMZ450 made as much HP as his factory KTM660 (half as big again) I'd have no trouble dispatching him riding round Wanganui with my WHEELS IN LINE.

Hey pete,thats if you could make it past that bloody bridge!!
Hehehe
But I agree,hanging the back out it not the fast way through a corner

**Crasherfromwayback** · 11th January 2007, 15:23

Originally Posted by bistard

Hey pete,thats if you could make it past that bloody bridge!!
Hehehe
But I agree,hanging the back out it not the fast way through a corner

Well somebody moved that fucking bridge mate.....I'm sure it used to be further back!

For sure round some corners on SOME motard type tracks....but nowhere round Wanganui.....Briggs and the other top boys make it look great, and are still going really quick...but further down the feild....they're getting in everyones way. I know this, as when I rode there in '05', I was gridded 9th, and clawed my way up to 5th I think it was when I ate straw....and the amount of time lost trying to get through the 'sideways jockeys' was frustrating to say the least!

**bistard** · 11th January 2007, 15:44

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

Well somebody moved that fucking bridge mate.....I'm sure it used to be further back!

For sure round some corners on SOME motard type tracks....but nowhere round Wanganui.....Briggs and the other top boys make it look great, and are still going really quick...but further down the feild....they're getting in everyones way. I know this, as when I rode there in '05', I was gridded 9th, and clawed my way up to 5th I think it was when I ate straw....and the amount of time lost trying to get through the 'sideways jockeys' was frustrating to say the least!

Yes,I can relate to that,try it on a 18 year old ZXR400,a pain in the arse,cause those big singles get off a corner !!

**Crasherfromwayback** · 11th January 2007, 15:52

Originally Posted by bistard

Yes,I can relate to that,try it on a 18 year old ZXR400,a pain in the arse,cause those big singles get off a corner !!

They don't bounce well enough for my liking mate....

**idleidolidyll** · 11th January 2007, 17:56

Originally Posted by Goblin

You know the funny thing is....often when people say this sort of thing...it happens to them instead. And the other funny thing is that you're just as green as me but you talk like you know it ALL!

rotflmfao!

**idleidolidyll** · 11th January 2007, 17:59

what lots here seem to be missing is that a supermotard is a road bike.

actually it's a road bike far better designed for NZ roads than almost any other kind.

fucked if i'm interested in riding a 17" wheeled bike with slicks off road and as anyone can see by the way the gingerly ride them on the silly dirt sections we've seen so far: thay handle like shit on dirt

**Crasherfromwayback** · 11th January 2007, 18:03

Originally Posted by idleidolidyll

what lots here seem to be missing is that a supermotard is a road bike.

actually it's a road bike far better designed for NZ roads than almost any other kind.

fucked if i'm interested in riding a 17" wheeled bike with slicks off road and as anyone can see by the way the gingerly ride them on the silly dirt sections we've seen so far: thay handle like shit on dirt

Mate......they're surprisingly good on dirt! I rode at Taupo a while ago in near axle deep mud with barely cut slicks.....no sweat.....just gotta do everything really gently!

**dangerous** · 11th January 2007, 18:15

Originally Posted by Goblin

the other funny thing is that you're just as green as me but you talk like you know it ALL!

Originally Posted by idleidolidyll

rotflmfao!

Gobs: How many stamps are in your 'current' MNZ licence??? (if you have one) I have 28... includes 3 S/I tracks and 3 street races...
I am also the President of a Motor Cycle Racing Club... You dont get to do these things if you are green, and I sure as hell dont know it all and hope I never do.

**SixPackBack** · 11th January 2007, 18:20

* And the pissing contest continues

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**Goblin** · 11th January 2007, 18:52

Originally Posted by dangerous

I am also the President of a Motor Cycle Racing Club... You dont get to do these things if you are green, and I sure as hell dont know it all and hope I never do.

Well you must know most of it if you were voted president!

I still stand by my belief that Motards ROCK and when I get one I'm gunna come down there and carve you up and put you off your precious flowing lines! hehehe...

**gav** · 11th January 2007, 19:01

Originally Posted by dangerous

Gobs: How many stamps are in your 'current' MNZ licence??? (if you have one) I have 28... includes 3 S/I tracks and 3 street races...
I am also the President of a Motor Cycle Racing Club... You dont get to do these things if you are green, and I sure as hell dont know it all and hope I never do.

Yeah right, Prez......like anyone with any "experience" was going to volunteer for that number........