Throttle blipping.

[The Stranger:Me]

yeah, 'trail' or slide the back in..
by 'over-use' of the rear brake and/or the engine (harder when you've got a slipper clutch), you can slide the back end into a corner.. Motards are better at it, I do it just before I fall off

But ok, isn't this kind of contrary to blipping the throttle.
I mean - Blackbird has linked brakes and I used to change down and pop the clutch to cause the arse to slide in as you indicate.
Wasn't sure initially if you were referring to trail braking, which is still very effective on the blackbird anyway despite the linked brakes.

[Jimmy B]

But ok, isn't this kind of contrary to blipping the throttle.
I mean - Blackbird has linked brakes and I used to change down and pop the clutch to cause the arse to slide in as you indicate.
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Jebus CaN how did you get away with that???

[The Stranger:Me]

Jebus CaN how did you get away with that???

Like most things I do in life - first time it was an accident.

[Jimmy B]

Like most things I do in life - first time it was an accident.

Nice one, certainly not for the faint hearted, sounds like the prequel to that other move....tankslapper highside

[Motu]

Try changing a DBD34 into first without blipping. Not nice.

Yeah,the heavy flywheels on my B31 were a pretty steep learning curve as a 16 year old - no way has a 400lb bike on a 3.50x19 got any control over those flywheels,it'd snake down the road with the engine idling.The other side of the coin was the upshift,the stored energy of the flywheel was like a push from behind from the playground bully.

Actualy the same thing used to happen with my XLV750 on gravel....as I found out on the Whatipu road soon after I got it.On corner entry the motor would run at whatever revs it wanted to,regardless of road speed.So I'd come into a corner with the engine idling,totaly out of touch with the surface and no way to regain control short of bringing the revs up to powerslide level.First time it happened I went straight through an S bend into the ditch.A rethink on my riding style saw me using a gear higher on entry,changing down for exit,gravel and seal.

[Titanium]

Just sounds cool and ya can get flames as well..... best attempted with loud zorsts .....

Special botormikes like ZX14's with 2 bros cans and BMW K1200S with Akrapovic full titanium systems, oh yeah and cbr1000rrrrrrrrr with a micron can and big twins with loud zorsts.

[The Pastor]

Hmmmm, Im not sure I understand all this techni talk.

On my bike sometimes when I need to brake hard and downchange, when I am letting the clutch out, the back locks up. Is everyone saying that blipping the throttle and keeping the revs up stops this? I used to blip the throttle when I drove a car, havnt really tried it on my bike.....

[NordieBoy]

There's no point blipping the throttle unless there's somebody impressionable around to listen.

But on a big single with an appropriate pipe they don't need to even be nearby

I blip and always have - VT250F, LS400, Nordie, DR650.
Not for the rear wheel lockup issues but for the driveline mechanical sympathy issues.

Even when a wasp got in my helmet and I accidentally pushed it into the helmet ear cavity I went from 110kph to stopped in about 2.5 metres and was blipping all the way.
It's how I downshift - no thinking involved.

[MacD]

I think Mr Hoon has it right. I blip by moving my arm not my wrist.

And on a big single it is highly necessary to blip on downchanges to the lower gears or risk a rear wheel lock up. Also helps with the actual gearchange on boxes with big hugly cogs. And bikes with heavy flywheels. Try changing a DBD34 into first without blipping. Not nice.

Yep, I find when swapping from the Bandit to my SRX (400 single) that the Bandit has made me lazy on the downchanges and I get a couple of rear wheel lockups until I re-engage my brain for the single and start blipping again. As usual there is no single correct way of doing things, you need to adapt to the bike you are riding at the time.

I'm still not sure what I think about Keith Code's books. I guess my dogma detectors start twitching when I read them?

[bikemike]

What should we be doing here? Like some say, I do same by habit. Have thought about it and worked on it from time to time though and this is what I reckon:

It goes pear shaped when thinking about blipping downshifts gets more attention than braking. Simple as that. Most times, for most riding, the firm braking is happening sufficiently separate from downshifts that the pogoing does not occur.

There's two tasks; getting a smooth non-clunky gear shift, and getting a smooth re-engagement of power to the road. Do they have to be two steps?

I think many bikers de-clutch, blip and downshift, open throttle again and engage clutch - whilst braking. What does this offer over de-clutch, open throttle, downshift, and engage clutch? I try this and if I get it right is seems a whole lot better than blipping.

I still blip though...

At town speeds you might also get this pogoing if you are not closing the throttle down enough fully and you are fighting the brakes with the engine. As soon as you de-clutch again you dive... who me? Never, I rides telelever don't you know ;-)

[NordieBoy]

Also for it to be effective you need to get the "let the clutch out" part right.
Too soon and the engine has to many revs, too late and you might as well not have blipped as the engine has returned to pre-blip revs.

[Flyingpony]

Flyingpony needs a Jedi master.

I think so too.

Find someone to guide you and give you tips (if you're interested in this route and want to learn some new tricks) and suck what you can, I don't mind offering up either..

I think so too, but it seems the locals don't do rides any more except to rallies which I'm unable to attend (no leather gear & boots).

Happened to be out on the bike yesterday and practised some emergency stops. Using my normal method from 55km/hr in 5th to stationary, I stopped quicker in comparison to when I attempted to blip and down shift as well as braking. This could be due to skill level and experience getting my brain & right hand to brake/blip simultaneously.

Another problem I noticed, when the clutch was released after each down shift, the engine was again low down near stalling RPM, so in reality, it was a pointless exercise. My bike needs 4 down shifts to reach 1st gear whilst most larger bikes would only require 1 or 2 when braking from 55km/hr.

In the meantime, I'll stick with status quo.

As for lining up corners, hills and slowing for traffic lights etc, I double blip all down shifts.

[sAsLEX]

Ok that video some hillbilly shit

I have called both Mensa and MIT and they are holding places for you!

[madandy]

I brake with outter 3 fingers. Index & thumb stray wrapped around the grip. There is a distinct elbow movement used also. Un-practised, just adopted that method naturally. Ok I read a book about trying different finger combinations for braking and found I preferred the outter 3 fingers.
I find myself to be much smoother [on the brakes and blipping] and more accurate at rev matching when riding at speed, IE: track days.
Around town on the YZF600R I'd be in 2nd,3rd or 4th gear depending on posted limit 50, 60 ,70 or 80km/h and often would change down well in advance of any braking point for the sake of smoothness and lack of being in a hurry.
If my next ride is a big twin I expect to enjoy plenty of rev matching

[sAsLEX]

I brake with outter 3 fingers. Index & thumb stray wrapped around the grip. There is a distinct elbow movement used also. Un-practised, just adopted that method naturally. Ok I read a book about trying different finger combinations for braking and found I preferred the outter 3 fingers.
I find myself to be much smoother [on the brakes and blipping] and more accurate at rev matching when riding at speed, IE: track days.
Around town on the YZF600R I'd be in 2nd,3rd or 4th gear depending on posted limit 50, 60 ,70 or 80km/h and often would change down well in advance of any braking point for the sake of smoothness and lack of being in a hurry.
If my next ride is a big twin I expect to enjoy plenty of rev matching

Does the outside "pinky" finger reach naturally or do you require lever adjustment?