Ahmed Zaoui: Residency or deportation?

[idleidolidyll]

Your two statements contradict each other?

When we moved over here I too had to prove I knew how to speak English, never mind the fact that I'd been born and raised in England.

fair enough too, i've lived in britain three times and even married a pome.

perhaps the test is not whether or not you can speak english but whether anyone here will understand you given the amazing number of almost unintelligible accents in britain.

re NZ though. There are several standards. The first is for legitimate immigrants applying to live here. They are tested for English ability.

Refugees however, are not. Thay are assessed based on their regugee status and their criminal record if available. When they are approved they MUST complete English courses which are provided free of charge by the govt.

As for the money; that's capitalism for ya. If you have $1,000,000 to invest, you're on a fast track. Fair enough to a degree since we don't want too many people who will rely on handouts for long periods of time; we need skilled immigrants with something to offer either as legitimate investors in NZ or with skills we lack to some degree.

[ManDownUnder]

Jumping in with reading shit in the thread... my take is simple.

If he has a legitimate claim to refugee status then he get asylum.

[Hitcher]

I'm sick of hearing about Ahmed Zaoui and the bleeding-heart liberals attracted to his cause. Please make it stop.

[idleidolidyll]

As far as i was aware he knows very well what he is accused off but wont be saying what it is.

Probably cause if it was found to be true, which the SIS strongly thinks it is, he would loose a lot of support.

I see your point and it is in the public interest to know if there are terrorists seeking harbour in the country but not at the stake of letting sensitive information out or maybe getting someone hurt.

I dont know what he is alleged to have done but it must be something pretty bad.

nope, Zaoui has not been told exactly what the 'facts' are and that's an area his defence team are still searching.
our SIS is just as abusive at times as is britains and the USA's CIA. We should NOT trust them implicitly to define foir us what is right and wrong.
they see a need to protect their relationship with britain and the usa even if that is not in line with kiwis ideas of what's right and wrong.

i can think of no reason that the charges and accusations against Zaoui cannot be released for the public to read; Zaoui himself ahs asked for that.

you seem to be condeming him based purely on hearsay, SIS hearsay.
Sorry, I have far less faith in secret societies than you do and I have studied some of the SIS's history: it's appalling.

[SwanTiger]

Dafe: Residency or deportation?

I vote for deportation, send that nigger back to the islands.

He can take that Zaoui shit stain with him.

Case dismissed.

[Dafe]

As far as i was aware he knows very well what he is accused off but wont be saying what it is.

Probably cause if it was found to be true, which the SIS strongly thinks it is, he would loose a lot of support.

I see your point and it is in the public interest to know if there are terrorists seeking harbour in the country but not at the stake of letting sensitive information out or maybe getting someone hurt.

I dont know what he is alleged to have done but it must be something pretty bad.

This is becoming a very interesting post.

Dynamytus has some very relevant points. There has never been an issue for somebody who has nothing to offer, to claim residency into NZ. Especially under Asylum.

Yes, there are organisations in NZ that know what these crimes are. They are held silent whilst the legal battle resumes.

Zaoui is desperate now, his lawyer is trying a pity stance to attempt to get his residency to be granted. This way, his multiple wives will be granted automatic access to New Zealand residency along with their many children.
If Zaoui gets residency, over 30 of his family will automatically recieve residency. In turn, their extended families can apply also.

Why do you think this has taken five years now?

Simple - Helen Clark and the United Nations.

I kid you not. A national party would have deported him 5 five years ago.
Because National are for New Zealanders - Not refugees!

Her allegiance to a corrupt and third world dominant United Nations is the real reason that this case is not thrown out the door with Zaoui being deported instantly. Helen is too PC and is playing the puppet with her strings pulled by the UN council.

I see in the last week. That John Keys mentioned feeding school children at the cost of companies. I thought this sounded very strange but it turns out, the issue is larger than we know. Kept quiet by the government. However, the facts are there and as a result - The International Red Cross are coming to New Zealand to setup an operation to address the problem at the International Red Cross's cost.
This is because we are too buisy paying our taxes to the multitude of non-working refugees and multiple benefits introduced by Labour. We can't even pay for our own kids food.
And then we hear about Cullen's idea of taxing mortgages??? Shouldn't it be a give and take system? We pay interest - Thats the take. We recieve an immediate roof over our heads - Thats the give. Why is the government trying to double the take?

Why don't they scrap their benefits and United Nations Refugees policies and reap the rewards? Oh thats right, coz it won't make Helen look good to the corrupt third world run UN Council. Thats why we're taxed so heavily!

FUCK LABOUR!!!

[shafty]

This is becoming a very interesting post.

Dynamytus has some very relevant points. There has never been an issue for somebody who has nothing to offer, to claim residency into NZ. Especially under Asylum.

Yes, there are organisations in NZ that know what these crimes are. They are held silent whilst the legal battle resumes.

Zaoui is desperate now, his lawyer is trying a pity stance to attempt to get his residency to be granted. This way, his multiple wives will be granted automatic access to New Zealand residency along with their many children.
If Zaoui gets residency, over 30 of his family will automatically recieve residency. In turn, their extended families can apply also.

Why do you think this has taken five years now?

Simple - Helen Clark and the United Nations.

I kid you not. A national party would have deported him 5 five years ago.
Because National are for New Zealanders - Not refugees!

Her allegiance to a corrupt and third world dominant United Nations is the real reason that this case is not thrown out the door with Zaoui being deported instantly. Helen is too PC and is playing the puppet with her strings pulled by the UN council.

I see in the last week. Tha John Keys mentioned feeding school children at the cost of companies. I thought this sounded very strange but it turns out, the issue is larger than we know. Kept quiet by the government. However, the facts are there and as a result - The International Red Cross are coming to New Zealand to setup an operation to address the problem at the IRC's cost.
This is because we are too buisy paying our taxes to the multitude of non-working refugees and multiple benefits introduced by Labour.
And then we hear about Cullen's idea of taxing mortgages??? Shouldn't it be a give and take system? We pay interest - Thats the take. We recieve an immediate roof over our heads - Thats the give. Why is the government trying to double the take?

Why don't they scrap their benefits and United Nations Refugees policies and reap the rewards? Oh thats right, coz it won't make Helen look good to the corrupt third world run UN Council. Thats why we're taxed so heavily!

FUCK LABOUR!!!

I like the way you think. Give the Guy a bullet. Get rid of soft cock Labour and give NZ some pride back.

[imdying]

Tie him to a 205L drum, and drop him out the back of a herc somewhere off the coast. Not the cheapest solution, but hella entertaining.

[Dafe]

Considering his legal fees have already cost the NZ tax payers 2.5 million.

It isn't an expensive option. I'll happily pay for the drum.

[idleidolidyll]

It scares me that we have ignorant Kiwis willing to condemn someone on the basis of hearsay just like the USA does.

What's next; National stealing the govt in the way Bush stole the Yank govt?

Unquestioning obedience leads directly to fascism

[imdying]

As I understand it, he arrived here illegally. That should mean instant deportation.

Nuff said really...

[blackkatana]

He knew what he was doing, flushed his passport down the shitter and pleaded asylum. Pack his bags and send him out. NOW!!!

[DougB]

I think it is a terrible disgusting disgrace to our country that this matter has been allowed to drag on and I feel ashamed for us. He should have been dealt with within weeks of arrival and either sent on his way or given shelter.

I will vote for the party that puts processes in place to avoid this sort of inhumain treatment to anyone whether innocent or guilty.

[MisterD]

It scares me that we have ignorant Kiwis willing to condemn someone on the basis of hearsay just like the USA does.

What's next; National stealing the govt in the way Bush stole the Yank govt?

Unquestioning obedience leads directly to fascism

We pay our taxes to have the SIS keep us safe, I don't care that they're keeping what they know secret it's their job and I'm happy to let them do it.

Applying "innocent until proved guilty" in this case is nonsense, the French and Belgian equivalents of SIS know their stuff, they made life unpleasant for the North African terrorists and sympathisers in their countries so they de-camped for tolerant old London...and we all know how this story ended, don't we?

The standard we need to apply here is "better safe than sorry". Kick him out.

BTW, we've already had the Labour party steal this government on the back of the money they stole off us.

[idleidolidyll]

We pay our taxes to have the SIS keep us safe, I don't care that they're keeping what they know secret it's their job and I'm happy to let them do it.

Applying "innocent until proved guilty" in this case is nonsense, the French and Belgian equivalents of SIS know their stuff, they made life unpleasant for the North African terrorists and sympathisers in their countries so they de-camped for tolerant old London...and we all know how this story ended, don't we?

The standard we need to apply here is "better safe than sorry". Kick him out.

BTW, we've already had the Labour party steal this government on the back of the money they stole off us.

the word naieve springs to mind.

the SIS is just about as abusive and self serving as the CIA, Mossad and all the other secret agencies.
I for one am disgusted that anyone trusts them unquestioningly.

I suggest you read The Hollow Men by Nicky Hagar; National was even more corrupt than Labour at the last elections but managed to lie better.