Metallica are great.

**outlawtorn** · 28th February 2007, 14:49

All MetallicA albums are great, each one of their albums have some defining tracks on them and are generally very good. It's very easy to be 'hardcore' and say their last good album was Master Of Puppets or Metallica (The Back Album as it is known) but you really have to pull yer head out of your arse and look around at all the other musical greats, they all grow and try new things as well as mature in their tastes.

Strange how a lot of people dis them all the time, for what reason? Being successful? Creating an album they don't like? Making a DVD which showcases them as real people?

Metallica have done something that most other bands or people would ever do and that is opern themselves up, so that their fans can see who they really are, they've done this kind of stuff since Metallica (1992) when they had a camera crew following them around during the making of that album, it opened them up as real people.

So please don't slag them off, admire them for having courage to show themselves as they are and for standing up for what they believe.

MetallicA fucking rocks baby!!! Yeah!!!!

**outlawtorn** · 28th February 2007, 14:51

Originally Posted by limbimtimwim

Used to think Metallica were great. But I was about 16/17 years old. Then I grew up.

what was that grandad? I couldn't hear you over the rattling of your zimmer frame!

**James Deuce** · 28th February 2007, 15:06

Originally Posted by outlawtorn

So please don't slag them off, admire them for having courage to show themselves as they are and for standing up for what they believe.

MetallicA fucking steals money from artists baby!!! Yeah!!!!

I slag them off because of their hardcore support for record labels who created an industry that means a CD costs $25-$35 to buy, despite each CD only costing US50c to make each, including performance fees, legal fees, artwork, artist payment, publishing fees, and worldwide distribution.

Their inability to understand that the world has changed and that a new distribution and payment model needs to be hammered out means that record companies are dying rapidly and trying to drag everyone around them down too.

My head is well out of my arse. I have every Metallica album. I bought them all, listen to them frequently and STILL prefer MoP to anything else they've ever done. I bought my first Metallica albums in '85.

I'm entitled to my opinion, as you are to yours, but I'm not going to be rude about your opinion.

**riffer** · 28th February 2007, 15:06

Originally Posted by outlawtorn

Strange how a lot of people dis them all the time, for what reason? Being successful? Creating an album they don't like? Making a DVD which showcases them as real people?

Okay, how about these reasons:

1. Destroying all their credibility with the Some Kind of Monster DVD. Seriously!

2. Almost successfully alienating their entire fanbase over the Napster fiasco.

An Jim2's right. On both the MOP thing and the "aye" thing.

Metallica died with Cliff Burton.

**outlawtorn** · 28th February 2007, 15:09

Originally Posted by Jim2

I slag them off because of their hardcore support for record labels who created an industry that means a CD costs $25-$35 to buy, despite each CD only costing US50c to make each, including performance fees, legal fees, artwork, artist payment, publishing fees, and worldwide distribution.

Their inability to understand that the world has changed and that a new distribution and payment model needs to be hammered out means that record companies are dying rapidly and trying to drag everyone around them down too.

My head is well out of my arse. I have every Metallica album. I bought them all, listen to them frequently and STILL prefer MoP to anything else they've ever done. I bought my first Metallica albums in '85.

I'm entitled to my opinion, as you are to yours, but I'm not going to be rude about your opinion.

Is it wrong for them to support the industry that is their bread and butter? I ain't being rude about your opinion, it's just getting old with people always saying that MOP was their best and everything after that is shit, seems like its been the trend, whether you believe it or not. It wasn't a personal dig at you dude....

**outlawtorn** · 28th February 2007, 15:12

Originally Posted by riffer

Okay, how about these reasons:

1. Destroying all their credibility with the Some Kind of Monster DVD. Seriously!

2. Almost successfully alienating their entire fanbase over the Napster fiasco.

An Jim2's right. On both the MOP thing and the "aye" thing.

Metallica died with Cliff Burton.

I doubt their credibility has been destroyed, in fact they seem to be more popular now than ever, they are going to tour Europe in the summer, as soon as the tickets went on sale most venues sold out in under 1 and half hours.

Napster was just a financial threat to them, if someone was depositing your paycheck every month (regardless of how much you made) and was taking a few dollars off for themselves wouldn't you get pissed off too? Honestly?

**limbimtimwim** · 28th February 2007, 16:02

Originally Posted by outlawtorn

I doubt their credibility has been destroyed, in fact they seem to be more popular now than ever, they are going to tour Europe in the summer, as soon as the tickets went on sale most venues sold out in under 1 and half hours.

More popular than ever? I think their popularity sank pretty quick after Load. They are on iTunes, so they must be kinda desperate

**Indiana_Jones** · 28th February 2007, 16:05

Rocks

-Indy

**Mom** · 28th February 2007, 16:25

Originally Posted by Mrs Kendog

And eh eh ehhhhh is all I have to say to the sideline conversation, I prefer aye.

LOL where I come from almost every sentence ends with "eh". Also happens in NZ too, my mother used to get really ticked off with us using "eh" to end a sentence. Being raised by a Canadian mother and a Scots father, i learned the difference early........."aye" (pronounced eye) means yes

Originally Posted by Sniper

Have you shown her the music video of "One"? Do that and then ask her if she still likes him

Sorry Sniper, like Maha man said it is a drummer thing with me...lol........

Originally Posted by limbimtimwim

Used to think Metallica were great. But I was about 16/17 years old. Then I grew up.

And you are how old now? makes me laugh when the youngers adopt our music as their own, love it and then diss it when it is no longer "cool" to listen to. I listened to Metallica when I was your age and loved it. Still do

**Guitana** · 28th February 2007, 16:37

Originally Posted by riffer

Okay, how about these reasons:

1. Destroying all their credibility with the Some Kind of Monster DVD. Seriously!

2. Almost successfully alienating their entire fanbase over the Napster fiasco.

An Jim2's right. On both the MOP thing and the "aye" thing.

Metallica died with Cliff Burton.

You left out all their albums sound the same!!!

**outlawtorn** · 28th February 2007, 16:39

Originally Posted by limbimtimwim

More popular than ever? I think their popularity sank pretty quick after Load. They are on iTunes, so they must be kinda desperate

As a matter of fact it didn't, Load still sold very well and their tours after both Load and Reload continued to sell out every performance, so no their popularity didn't sink. As far as being on iTunes is concerned, most artists are on iTunes these days, it makes pretty good business sense to do so....don't you think?

**MisterD** · 28th February 2007, 16:45

Originally Posted by outlawtorn

As a matter of fact it didn't, Load still sold very well and their tours after both Load and Reload continued to sell out every performance, so no their popularity didn't sink.

Doesn't alter the fact that up to MoP they were cutting edge, and since they've been just another big stadium rock act, I'll give them their due marketing-wise they know what that big black T-shirt fanbase wants and they give it to them. Metallica are metal's Rolling Stones.

**James Deuce** · 28th February 2007, 16:56

Originally Posted by outlawtorn

Napster was just a financial threat to them, if someone was depositing your paycheck every month (regardless of how much you made) and was taking a few dollars off for themselves wouldn't you get pissed off too? Honestly?

Metallica lost a huge amount of credibility with most working Musicians trying to publish original music. The only way to make money as an artist or band contracturally bound to a label, is to establish a substantial back catalogue. Bands just starting out who sign to major labels are in debt to that label until their catalogue gets them into a profit situation, provided they maintain control of the publishing rights of their music and lyrics.

Metallica the business entity (mostly Lars Ulrich) are very canny and have done all the things necessary to become a profitable business in their own right.

Napster, despite supposedly being free, was generating huge interest in lots of independent acts and making them money. Metallica refused to help the very people they themselves had been 20 years earlier, by helping to establish a new paradigm that allowed artists to market product directly to listeners, reducing costs and debts my many thousands of dollars per song released.

File sharing does not take money away from artists. It takes it away from middle men mostly, i.e the Record Companies, and possibly some of the bigger acts who are profitable due to publishing income. Most of the bigger acts have long since ceased to rely on their back catalogue for income, they make most of their money from business investments.