Metallica are great.

[Waylander]

You people are weird you know that? Old stuff, new stuff, who gives a fuck?
Don't like it, don't listen to it.

I've got all their albums some I listen to more than others. Some I only listen to a few songs I like and some I listen to only when in a particular mood. It's music and I like it. That's all I care about.

Not that they changed bassist either because of death or leaving the band, or be cause they cut their hair or whatever. I like what I like and listen to what I like. Why argue about it?



(some of the above opinions may change with the level of alcohol consumed...)

[El Dopa]

Metallica are metal's Rolling Stones.

Exactly. The Rolling Stones were great, but they last released some decent music about the time The Beatles split up.

Just because a band has the 'courage' to show me a DVD of them arguing and sulking, doesn't actually mean I'll go: 'hey! how courageous! I didn't like their last album, but now suddenly I find mysef re-evaluating it, because they're, y'know, f'real.'

I love my bike, but when I take it for a service, I don't want to sit and watch the mechanic work on it.

But as I've said before, me and Outlawtorn are going to have to agree to disagree on this issue.

[Matt Bleck]

i reckon they should have stopped before the black album imho

What they made from the black album and touring, would have set them up for the rest of their lives and some.... without that they wouldn't have been able to stop. That was what i meant. IMHO Justice is their best.

[Matt Bleck]

Corrected that for you.

You're welcome.

see above .

[Two Smoker]

MoP is my favourite out of all the albums... Metallica Last year and this year have been mainly playing only the MoP album at gigs and it sounds like they are going back to their roots for the next album....

[El Dopa]

see above .

1) 'Puppets' and 'Justice' were big. The band would have had enough to live comfortably on for the rest of their naturals anyway.

2) If the primary purpose of you doing something becomes 'to make money', you might as well go and work as a stockbroker. By all means make money from what you love doing - make enough to fill your swimming pools full of champagne, vintage rollers and women of loose reputation if that makes you happy - but, especially with music, you should be doing it first and foremost because you love it. If that isn't the number one reason for you doing it, it won't be any good. It might be competent, but it won't have come from your soul.

[Indiana_Jones]

East bound and down, loaded up and truckin',
we're gonna do what they say can't be done.
We've got a long way to go and a short time to get there.
I'm east bound, just watch ol' "Bandit" run.

Keep your foot hard on the pedal. Son, never mind them brakes.
Let it all hang out 'cause we got a run to make.
The boys are thirsty in Atlanta and there's beer in Texarcana.
And we'll bring it back no matter what it takes.

East bound and down, loaded up and truckin',
we're gonna do what they say can't be done.
We've got a long way to go and a short time to get there.
I'm east bound, just watch ol' "Bandit" run.

East bound and down, loaded up and truckin',
we're gonna do what they say can't be done.
We've got a long way to go and a short time to get there.
I'm east bound, just watch ol' "Bandit" run.

Ol' Smokey's got them ears on and he's hot on your trail.
He aint gonna rest 'til you're in jail.
So you got to dodge 'im and you got to duck 'im,
you got to keep that diesel truckin'.
Just put that hammer down and give it hell.

East bound and down, loaded up and truckin',
we're gonna do what they say can't be done.
We've got a long way to go and a short time to get there.
I'm east bound, just watch ol' "Bandit" run.

-Indy

[outlawtorn]

Napster, despite supposedly being free, was generating huge interest in lots of independent acts and making them money. Metallica refused to help the very people they themselves had been 20 years earlier, by helping to establish a new paradigm that allowed artists to market product directly to listeners, reducing costs and debts my many thousands of dollars per song released.

sorry dude, I don't agree with that, startup bands have something that bands 20 years ago could only even dream of.......the internet. It is THE best marketing tool for any startup band, regardless of P2P file sharing programs, as I remember it Napster let you search for bands and albums and so forth, but I don't reckon it introduced that many new bands. Websites like the old mp3.com did that and to a certain degree websites like purevolume.com are continuing to do that.

What bugs me is that everyone always gripes on about Metallica VS Napster, don't forget that Dr Dre was also involved, as was Black Crowes, Creed and Everclear to name a few of the top of my head!

[James Deuce]

sorry dude, I don't agree with that, startup bands have something that bands 20 years ago could only even dream of.......the internet. It is THE best marketing tool for any startup band, regardless of P2P file sharing programs, as I remember it Napster let you search for bands and albums and so forth, but I don't reckon it introduced that many new bands. Websites like the old mp3.com did that and to a certain degree websites like purevolume.com are continuing to do that.

What bugs me is that everyone always gripes on about Metallica VS Napster, don't forget that Dr Dre was also involved, as was Black Crowes, Creed and Everclear to name a few of the top of my head!

Napster created the Internet Music distribution Paradigm. It took Napster to make people understand that the Internet could be used for something other than porn.

I've used the Internet for my music business since the mid-90s. I've sequenced drum and percussion parts for people all over the world and created music edits and sold and distributed them via the Internet for Bobybuilding, Aerobics, synchronised swimming, and circuses.

As far as Napster not introducing new bands? You are utterly wrong. I bought about 4 times the music I do now when Napster was around and I have a huge chunk of friends who say the same thing. Most P2P apps these days are clunky and adware ridden in comparison. Download a track, like it? Go buy the album

I've tried to use the Internet for marketing a couple of bands prior to Napster - about 300 hits in 2 years. One band successfully post Napster. We did all our marketing for local gigs in Wellington via the Internet. Had gigs every week and had thousands of website hits, mostly National too, simply by posting up half a dozen demos, pics of the band in action, and pocket bios. If anyone asks me what to do now in terms of raising profile I tell them to set up a MySpace site for their band. It's free after all.

As far as the other artists? Metallica took the lead, in particular Lars. He made a huge dick of himself many times. You have to remember that at the time Napster broke, the only way into the profitable part of the Industry was via major labels , who were at that stage combining into the 2 mega-labels we see today. Those mega labels have done nothing for music at all, while more and more bands launch themselves via the Internet and a growing swag of Indy labels. The mega-labels gave us Pop Idol. Tough luck if they do fail and take hypocrites like Metallica with them

Now that Napster's gone, CD sales are dropping like a stone. Thanks to CD burners and P2P apps, people under 40 don't by CDs anymore. The artists you mentioned? All rooted, none have made anything of note or have simply vanished. Metallica almost carked it, but only held on thanks to a hardcore fan base built over decades and a belated return to their roots.

The labels and bands like Metallica need to stop focusing on hard copy and come up with a pay per download model that acknowledges how much cheaper that distribution model is instead of expecting people to pay the same price per song as they would if they bought a CD.

[limbimtimwim]

And you are how old now? makes me laugh when the youngers adopt our music as their own, love it and then diss it when it is no longer "cool" to listen to. I listened to Metallica when I was your age and loved it. Still do

25 now. I still like Metallica Metallica and Just Juice for All a bit. But back then, I reckoned Metallica were the shit.

[Street Gerbil]

Bull. They are not bad but they are not 1337. By far.

[outlawtorn]

As far as the other artists? Metallica took the lead, in particular Lars. He made a huge dick of himself many times...........Tough luck if they do fail and take hypocrites like Metallica with them..............Now that Napster's gone, CD sales are dropping like a stone. Thanks to CD burners and P2P apps, people under 40 don't by CDs anymore...............The artists you mentioned? All rooted, none have made anything of note or have simply vanished.

Yes, Lars is a dick, always has been, but he is only protecting what he had worked so hard to create, try and put yourself in his shoes. MetallicA aren't hypocrites, in many interviews they have often expressed a wish to distribute their musiceasily and legally through the web, but can you think of a simple and easy way to do that with all of the legal shit involved and purchasing across currencies etc etc, bit of a fucking nightmare hey? Don't blame the drop in CD sales on the death of Napster, blame is on the huge amounts of copycat programs that rose out of the ashes of napster and filehosting websites and technology like Nero and cd-burners. As for the other artists being gone....Black Crowes did very well post napster, as did Creed and Everclear are still going strong. As for Dr Dre, well he is alive and kicing in the rap world and doing very well, so no, they haven't vanished.

[James Deuce]

Yes, Lars is a dick, always has been, but he is only protecting what he had worked so hard to create, try and put yourself in his shoes. MetallicA aren't hypocrites, in many interviews they have often expressed a wish to distribute their musiceasily and legally through the web, but can you think of a simple and easy way to do that with all of the legal shit involved and purchasing across currencies etc etc, bit of a fucking nightmare hey? Don't blame the drop in CD sales on the death of Napster, blame is on the huge amounts of copycat programs that rose out of the ashes of napster and filehosting websites and technology like Nero and cd-burners. As for the other artists being gone....Black Crowes did very well post napster, as did Creed and Everclear are still going strong. As for Dr Dre, well he is alive and kicing in the rap world and doing very well, so no, they haven't vanished.

Creed died about 2 years ago. Dr Dre is a producer now.

[Waylander]

Creed died about 2 years ago. Dr Dre is a producer now.

Creed was never really alive. They only put out albums because it was in thier contract with the label company to make X number of albums in x number of years. Only Scott Stapp took it seriously wich is why he's on his own now.

[Mom]

Napster created the Internet Music distribution Paradigm.
As far as Napster not introducing new bands? You are utterly wrong. I bought about 4 times the music I do now when Napster was around and I have a huge chunk of friends who say the same thing.

Napster introduced me to lots of bands I never would have heard, I also bought a heap of cd's as a result of a quick one time down load.