Bloody cyclists

[forkoil]

Apparently, the above is proof that I am "irrational". Apparently "rational" behaviour is to break the law whilst racing pushbikes on the roads, so:

No you are deliberately misrepresenting what I said. It is irrational to believe that bicycle racing on a public road is as dangerous as motorbike racing on a public road. Thats what I said and you replied "bullshit ...etc". Its that simple. Just calm down Wolf, get a life and stay on the meds.

[Wolf]

No you are deliberately misrepresenting what I said. It is irrational to believe that bicycle racing on a public road is as dangerous as motorbike racing on a public road. Thats what I said and you replied "bullshit ...etc". Its that simple. Just calm down Wolf, get a life and stay on the meds.

No I am saying nothing is "safe" and that if you think the behaviour we are complaining about is "safe" and "acceptable" then you need meds.

[James Deuce]

No you are deliberately misrepresenting what I said. It is irrational to believe that bicycle racing on a public road is as dangerous as motorbike racing on a public road. Thats what I said and you replied "bullshit ...etc". Its that simple. Just calm down Wolf, get a life and stay on the meds.

He's not misrepresenting it at all. I suggest you go back, read the post that was quoted, then re-write to reflect what you meant to say.

I certainly didn't get from the original post what you just said.

You effectively claimed that it was OK for cyclists to ignore any semblance of road rules, race or no race.

[Wolf]

You effectively claimed that it was OK for cyclists to ignore any semblance of road rules, race or no race.

That was my take on his post.

OK, who's up for a group ride, peeps? Hopefully 1 or 2 dozen of us, no more than 30km/h (scooter-friendly ride) out around the Hakarimata range. We'll practise bunching and see how many motorbikes we can fit abreast in the lane (tho' spilling over into the on-coming lane from time to time is acceptable). Rules: no following at more than half a second's interval, no fewer than three-abreast at any time, no faster than 30km/h, no pulling over for other traffic.

Should be a nice, safe ride, who's in?

[Jantar]

That was my take on his post.

OK, who's up for a group ride, peeps? Hopefully 1 or 2 dozen of us, no more than 30km/h (scooter-friendly ride) out around the Hakarimata range. We'll practise bunching and see how many motorbikes we can fit abreast in the lane (tho' spilling over into the on-coming lane from time to time is acceptable). Rules: no following at more than half a second's interval, no fewer than three-abreast at any time, no faster than 30km/h, no pulling over for other traffic.

Should be a nice, safe ride, who's in?

I'd be in for that but its a bit far to go just to prove a point.

[Wolf]

I'd be in for that but its a bit far to go just to prove a point.

Nah, the Hakarimatas are not that far away

'twere not a serious offer - I figured the patent stupidity of the suggestion might be sufficient to prove the point.

Well, it would do to anyone who doesn't believe some vehicles have privileged status...



Edit: OK, the Hakarimatas are a fair way from Alexandra...

[MSTRS:Me]

I'd be in - except the GSXR won't go that slow....

[MisterD]

OK, who's up for a group ride, peeps? Hopefully 1 or 2 dozen of us, no more than 30km/h (scooter-friendly ride) out around the Hakarimata range. We'll practise bunching and see how many motorbikes we can fit abreast in the lane (tho' spilling over into the on-coming lane from time to time is acceptable). Rules: no following at more than half a second's interval, no fewer than three-abreast at any time, no faster than 30km/h, no pulling over for other traffic.

Should be a nice, safe ride, who's in?

Now you're being silly, Wolf. If you like I'll lend you a bike, and if you reckon you've got the lungs and legs for it you can come for a bunch ride and find out exactly how much awareness and communication is required.

The groups I ride with tend to stay bunched and wave motorised traffic past when the road allows, I personally think that's safer than trying to pull into single file and encourage idiots to squeeze through against oncoming vehicles. If a motorcyclist or cager begrudges 30 seconds out of their life then my response is going to be "Fuck you".

[forkoil]

Now you're being silly, Wolf. If you like I'll lend you a bike, and if you reckon you've got the lungs and legs for it you can come for a bunch ride and find out exactly how much awareness and communication is required.

The groups I ride with tend to stay bunched and wave motorised traffic past when the road allows, I personally think that's safer than trying to pull into single file and encourage idiots to squeeze through against oncoming vehicles. If a motorcyclist or cager begrudges 30 seconds out of their life then my response is going to be "Fuck you".

You are wasting your words MisterD, this thread is going round and round in circles. I've said many times here that bicycles / m'bikes / cars are all different and demand / enable different use and behaviour on the roads but these tossers just shout back and dont listen, and I guess that translates into their opinions and behaviour towards cyclists on the road. They wont listen, they have their opinion and thats that, end of story. Appealing to their rational mind is a lost cause.
Incidently, I've had heaps of green reps over this thread which indicates there are many who support sensible cycling behaviour and occasional multi abreast when racing but dont want to say so on the thread because they will get shouted down by this mob. Thanks for the nod, but I wouldnt persist here.

[yungatart]

I don't recall reading a single post on here that says sensible, reasonable, considerate, legal behaviour from cyclists causes a problem to other road users.
However there are many posts which decry the other sort of behaviour that some cyclists are prone to display i.e. illegal, inconsiderate, stupid and in some cases, downright dangerous behaviour.
Forkoil, you are the one with your knickers (or should that be chamois- lined lycras) in such a twist that you can't hear what others are saying.
Of course there are many people who support sensible cycling behavoiur, it is just a fact, a reality, that so much of what other road users see of cyclists behaviour is the exact opposite.... just like the picture in the first post.
It is that type of behaviour that causes the problem, it is that type of behaviour that started this thread and it is that type of behaviour that pisses people off...how is that so hard for you to understand??

[KLOWN]

exactly yungatart EVERYONE has said good on those cyclists that behave correctly the ONLY cyclist people are getting pissy about are the WANKERS that endanger themselves and other road uses by BREAKING the LAW. NOONE has a problem with sensible behaviour AND as has been repeated again and again this is not directed solely at cyclists but ANY road user in ANY vehicle powered by man or machine. how can you not get it?
The best post so far has been by alice who has given an unbiased post and is completly correct, while you forkoil have just been crapping on about how EVERY cyclist is perfect and in the right.

[forkoil]

exactly yungatart EVERYONE has said good on those cyclists that behave correctly the ONLY cyclist people are getting pissy about are the WANKERS that endanger themselves and other road uses by BREAKING the LAW.

Changed your mind Klown about Alice whose post you praised but who admitted dastardly acts like crossing a red light, bunch riding etc. She's now a wanker?
I've been very deliberately mild in my language in the face of some pretty heavy stuff from you and Wolf. I wont be tempted.

[KLOWN]

ok cool. can't be bothered anymore. But I like having the final word so i'm gonna say this.
I dont have a problem with cyclists going through reds never said I did. I also said I don't have a problem with cyclists bunching when i'm on my bike cause its easy to go round them, only when in a cage AND they don't bother making room I'm more than happy to wait i don't expect instintanious action but if they continue to make themselves a rolling road block I take excpetion. Also all my complaints invoved personal situations nothing i said was directed at you. There is no "heavy stuff" from me or wolf as far as I'm aware of, also I don't throw things at cyclist or buzz by them or any of the dangerous behaviour that cyclists don't like. The worst I do is beep at them when I have waited patiently and they still don't move i'm too laid back to get really worked up about anything. I'm sorry if i have offened you or you take my comments personally this is all "just" MY opinion. I completly disagree with you opinion because, wheather you ment it that way or not, it comes accross that cyclists can do anything they feel like just because they are racing or cause they are a different vehicle to motorbikes and cars. anyway you are right about one thing, this is going round and round in circles.
I praised alice's post because unlike you she says that cyclists DO do this behaviour when not racing which you seem to totally dissagree with.


I do like this debate though. nothing wrong with putting your opinion across

[KLOWN]

should've added before, I don't follow the law otherwise I wouldn't have lost my license but people who see me speeding etc I'm sure have much to say about me to other people. Everyone has something to say about other people reguardless of thier own actions. If the saying "Let those of you who haven't sinned cast the first stone" was ever followed then there wouldn't be many people posting on kiwibiker we are all guilty of something.

[Wolf]

I've been very deliberately mild in my language in the face of some pretty heavy stuff from you and Wolf. I wont be tempted.

Sorry that you feel someone pointing out the law and consideration to others is "heavy"... or were you referring to the terms I use to describe those who flagrantly flout the law and show no consideration for other road users?

It has become a circular argument - our "the law is there for safety and consideration" vs your "we cyclists are a law unto ourselves". It may surprise you to realise I think you're just as blind, pig-headed and "incapable of listening" as you obviously think me to be.

The message I get from you, loud and clear (you've been doing a fair bit of "shouting down", yourself) is that any behaviour by a cyclist is justified, there are no people cycling irresponsibly anywhere in NZ, all bunches of cyclists anywhere and any time are clubs legitimately practising and that the law is a hinderance that you are permitted to ignore as you see fit.

Me: there was a bunch of cyclists blocking the lane.
You: they were a legitimate club and they were practising.
Me: That's mighty impressive. Can you also tell me what's on the other side of this locked door, O Great and Omniscient One?

You weren't there, yet the minute someone says "this is what I experienced" you leap in with "Oh, that's perfectly justifiable, this is what they were doing." Is it difficult for you - constantly knowing what every single cyclist in NZ (the World?) is doing at all times? Must be tiring.

Sorry that we "heavy" types are so down on having cyclists swerve out in front of us without looking, perhaps we should take all powered vehicles off the roads so that cyclists can swerve all over the show without worry. Sorry that, as the road code says, we assume you will obey the road rules. It must be so hard on you.

Never mind, I'll just go back to riding carefully so I don't clobber a lycra-clad idiot who thinks he can do as he pleases and you can go back to your fantasy-world where he's allowed to.