Not guilty (Police sex case verdict, 1 March)

[Scouse]

No. Just the usual mix of staff on duty.
Will we now see gay cops at the Hero parade?
Asian cops at the Chinese New Year celebrations?
The bind moggles.

And maybee a mob of rickards lookalikes raiding bondage/dicipline parlours

[spudchucka]

Will we now see gay cops at the Hero parade?

You're the Dorklander mate, we don't have that sort thing down here so next time you're there just proposition a couple of them and let us know what their response is.

BTW: http://www.police.govt.nz/district/wellington/

He's one of your old mates, maybe you should give him a call and tune him up on the way he should be doing things.

[candor]

Admirable sentiments - BUT - the legal system is not working as I would want it to - what I want to know is;

Who are the pious, self righteous, dopey bastards (they will be men by the way) who decided to go with the complainant and try to build a case? The Crown Prosecutor I presume? Did these people not weigh up the evidence? Did they not weigh up the costs?

It seems that one word from a woman "rape?" and the whole legal system swings into action - millions of our dollars are spentDon't get me wrong, if a case can be made, cut their balls off - otherwise, shut the fuck up - especially after 20 years.

Paul J and others who keep raising the "20 years till she complained" theory - this did not happen. It was all explained in a Press report today.

The latest comnplainant (bless her brave heart) was phoned up by Police and asked to make a complaint just lately. As they had found her ph number with something nasty written next to it in Schollum or shiptons notebook. The book also noted her as "a woman who could pop up out of the past" or something paranoid like that.

So THE POLICE PHONED HER AND ASKED WHAT HAD HAPPENED... COS THEY HAD A NOTEBOOK OWNED BY A CONVICTED RAPIST FROM THE 1980S THAT MENTIONED HER.

Apparently Police pushed her to bring the charge and rape crisis say they or Government had a political reason why.

It was because if charges had been bought by someone that case or incident could not then also be examined by the Police corruption inquiry. That ruling was passed apparently about a week after the charges were laid on the latest case.

So effectively the embarrassing case which everyone knew was doomed to fail was kept out of the inquiry - as were all of the worst cases. Making a whitewash about Police culture - complicity, people looking the other way etc easier to do a whitewash on.

The contents of that inquiry which received 600 complaints also are specially barred from ever being subject to Official Info Act requests.

So women were forced (after the biggest cases emerged) to seek either Justice in the Courts or via the inquiry. A choice to just resolve their own case (perhaps) in the legal system OR to attempt thru the inquiry to highlight institutional issues and aid institutional change in the Police.

Doesn't seem fair does it to have to make such a choice?

[candor]

Forgot to mention for the Patricks sakes. No the mob was not that ugly. Of the 3 or 400 there were only about 3 being aggro and a couple masked as they intended making noise by banging on lampposts etc and spraypainting the High Court door. All pretty mellow apart from about 5 hairy minutes outside the cop shop when the crowd did get a little excited and riled by speeches then the publicity seekers attempt to get in the cops faces.

Most were just ordinary everyday women. About 10 blokes there - definately a minority. There were grannys, office workers, civil servants, the lesbian sistahood, a few Maori men and women, students (I was talking to some who were law students and rape survivors), and riff raff - all in all a good cross section.

The femme blue line did good. They definitely looked rattled and the fact they did show upset / sympathy or human kinda expressions on their faces which was not aggro along with good restraint I think absolutely did humanise the Police to the angry few who were pushing them a couple of times.

You definitely had to feel sorry for them as females in a way taking the wrath of other females who were most prolly rape victims against their institution. I think it was a smart move on the part of Police and not just a publicity stunt at all.

Most people marched for one of 3 reasons - anti rape generally as it was "womens day", anti rickards and or object to the justice systems way of dealing with stuff. It really was not anti police from what I saw or heard - when they burnt the effigy it was not just any police - it was made clear it was CR.

[Patrick]

An absolutely cynical manipulation that all of NZ has seen through.
Wrong on many levels, but typical of your half-witted bosses.

I expected something resembling an intelligent response...

If it was a line of blokes, the headlines would still be on the front pages.... think about it.

[Patrick]

Go read "A City Possessed" - the Chch Civic Creche Case if you want a clearer picture of our legal system and our police

No thanks... know enough about the actual facts, not the ramblings of a wannabe author looking to make a quick buck... like Joe KARAM.

[candor]

I thought it interesting that when I attended a family day at Rolleston prison back around 2000 that the guards put Peter Ellis in charge of childs entertainment. He did lolly scrambles and other good stuff. It seemed like 100% of the guards and the ?100 odd visitors that day felt he was the right man for the job. Lets face it - if he was guilty so were those women too.

I believe NOT. On the Bain case - undecided, evidence too confusing.

[paulj]

The latest comnplainant (bless her brave heart) was phoned up by Police and asked to make a complaint just lately. As they had found her ph number with something nasty written next to it in Schollum or shiptons notebook. The book also noted her as "a woman who could pop up out of the past" or something paranoid like that.

So THE POLICE PHONED HER AND ASKED WHAT HAD HAPPENED... COS THEY HAD A NOTEBOOK OWNED BY A CONVICTED RAPIST FROM THE 1980S THAT MENTIONED HER.

Thanks for that - I stand corrected - there has always been a political smell to this.

[paulj]

I thought it interesting that when I attended a family day at Rolleston prison back around 2000 that the guards put Peter Ellis in charge of childs entertainment. He did lolly scrambles and other good stuff. It seemed like 100% of the guards and the ?100 odd visitors that day felt he was the right man for the job. Lets face it - if he was guilty so were those women too.

Yes - and throughout the Ellis' trial, the word went back to the prison that he was not guilty - as such he was left alone rather than being bashed to a pulp by fellow inmates - the usual for child fiddlers.

[Patrick]

Lets face it - if he was guilty so were those women too.

They might have been... if the kids mothers hadn't stuffed up the investigation and coached thier kids on what to say...

[Patrick]

Yes - and throughout the Ellis' trial, the word went back to the prison that he was not guilty - as such he was left alone rather than being bashed to a pulp by fellow inmates - the usual for child fiddlers.

Wrong ... He was segregated... as are all kiddie fiddlers... they live with other kiddie fiddlers so they don't get the bash any more.

[scumdog]

Wrong ... He was segregated... as are all kiddie fiddlers... they live with other kiddie fiddlers so they don't get the bash any more.

Amazing how much 'better' they think they are and superior to kiddie fiddlers the other prisoners think they are....


When in reality they're likely to be worse if observed in a dispassionate manner.