Respect the Cops? WHY!

[Ixion]

I find myself more and more needing to draw a distinction between the proper cops and the Highway Patrol. We need a perjorative name for the latter. Bananas in Pyjamas is too cute. Snakes is historical, what about scorpions? So we can abuse the scorpions without the real cops getting offended. Suggestions?

The other thing with the police that is buggering them up in public opinion is that somewhere along the line the senior cops started to be selected for their skills at politicing instead of coppering. Isn't the Deputy Commissioner a woman who never actually walked a beat ?

[Unforgiven]

Does it hurt less when a little old lady going to the supermarket hits you at 58kph than it does when a 'boy-racer' hits you at 58kph?
Whatever you think of quotas, they can only be filled by people breaking the law. Having a quota doesn't mean the cops are catching innocent people. They are only catching people who have decided to break the law.

It hurts the same, but the tickets arn't the same. quotas or not it aint the old lady that gets the 8km over ticket. Anyone under 30 is a boy/girl racer these days, it doesnt matter what/how you drive you will get 'random' checks and petty tickets.
If im speeding and get a ticket, fair enough, but the police need to pull people ove for other offences too, like tailgating and failing to give way. Thats what kills people, not going 109 in the middle of nowhere with little or no traffic.

[spudchucka]

Isn't the Deputy Commissioner a woman who never actually walked a beat ?

http://www.police.govt.nz/about/structure.html

Deputy Commissioner Provost.

[Quartermile]

I never voted :-
1) to make cannabis illegal,
2) to allow 15 year olds to drive powerful vehicles,
3) to give paedophiles parole because the prisons are full,
4) to make it illegal to not blindly stick to the left hand side of the road even when it's safer to cross the centre line,
5) to let the ACC charge me 180 bucks a year for my bike
6) to let idiots drive without insurance
7) to give politicians another pay-rise
8) to let the kiwi mafia (Fulton Hogan) leave gravel all over the roads
9) to set the speed limit at 100kph

The government clearly isn't representing our wishes on many of the above rules. Why should we abide by stupid rules? Because the government says so? If Polish or East Germans had stuck to their government rules they'd be right up $hit creek without a paddle wouldn't they?

Contrary to common belief, Helen Clark and the rest of the clowns in the beehive don't run this country....we do.

Well said but, actually they do run the country, technically with this democracy they shouldn't but that seem to be the way NZ s going,

'the people should not fear their government, it is the government that should be afraid of the people'

[Grub]

Do you not think that the cops are dancing to the Goverment's tune?

Who cares???? What would that tune be do you think? To stop people yuing on the roads perhaps? Shame on them!

The road toll HAS come down, what they're doing IS working

So to all the winjas .... shut up and take note.

[Ixion]

Says the man with the 200+kph sprotsbike

[98tls]

This has to be once again the most repetitive thread............if you dont like cops dont do anthing wrong..........how simple is it.............an hour or 3 ago i got back from a balls out awsme ride through some of the best twisty bits in NZ............no tickets...............why...........work it out dip-shit........anyone who posts a thread like this on a web-site needs there head rread........tell ya what.....go be a cop for a weekend and then post your dribble...........

[Mr. Peanut]

Yes, police could be more judicious, 8 kph over on a deserted road type scenarios are ridiculous, unless someone is acting in a manner that could be seen as dangerous you're just revenue collecting.

You have to cater for the lowest common denominator. The problem is, most (surviving) motorcyclists would be in the top 5% or so of drivers that can safely exceed the speed limit, as we have an intuitive knowledge of road condition, situation avoidence and so on and so forth.

So speed limits are a bit irrelevant, no one wants to kill themselves.

But do you really want the other 95% flying round the wrong side of the road?

[Lou Girardin]

Interesting. I thought you still got 10kmh of lenience unless you were going past a school or just had a bad attitude.

So your attitude governs the seriousness of an offence?
An interesting new concept in justice.

[spudchucka]

Says the man with the 200+kph sprotsbike

Most motor vehicles are capable of well and truly exceeding the speed limit, (not just sprotsbikes) so that must make anyone who owns one a potential road criminal and therefore a hypocrite if they support any road policing measures.

Sort of the same as how having a dick makes you a potential rapist.

[Lou Girardin]

I find myself more and more needing to draw a distinction between the proper cops and the Highway Patrol. We need a perjorative name for the latter. Bananas in Pyjamas is too cute. Snakes is historical, what about scorpions? So we can abuse the scorpions without the real cops getting offended. Suggestions?

The other thing with the police that is buggering them up in public opinion is that somewhere along the line the senior cops started to be selected for their skills at politicing instead of coppering. Isn't the Deputy Commissioner a woman who never actually walked a beat ?

That's great Ixion. But do you really think that it's the few HP cops writing all those tickets?
Seeing as most of them are suburban offences.

[SixPackBack]

Sort of the same as how having a dick makes you a potential rapist.

That only applies to the Police. All guilty by association for hearing the rumours about Rickard and co and doing nothing about it!!

[spudchucka]

So your attitude governs the seriousness of an offence?
An interesting new concept in justice.

Seriousness of offence..... No.

Cops use of discretion....... Maybe.

[spudchucka]

That only applies to the Police. All guilty by association for hearing the rumours about Rickard and co and doing nothing about it!!

Like I said elsewhere, the majority of today's serving police members either weren't born or were just kids in the 80's. But of course they all knew about it way back then and didn't say anything because they knew that one day they'd want to join the police.

What percentage of the 500 or so cops from that time who are still serving would have had any knowledge of his antics?

You're becoming the master of generalisation.

[James Deuce]

Who cares???? What would that tune be do you think? To stop people yuing on the roads perhaps? Shame on them!

The road toll HAS come down, what they're doing IS working

So to all the winjas .... shut up and take note.

The road toll dropped because the price of petrol went up. As people get used to spending more of the household budget on distilled petroleum spirits, the road toll will go back to it's previous minimum and slowly exceed those minimums as the population increases.

The only thing that has made a significant dent in the NZ road toll in the last 40 years is compulsory seat belts.

Do not confuse one blip on a trend for a minimum number of road deaths in the mid-late 400s with proof that the road toll is dropping.