Respect the Cops? WHY!

**Indiana_Jones** · 19th March 2007, 15:48

http://www.stuff.co.nz/3998066a12.html

that cop is ok lol

-Indy

**98tls** · 19th March 2007, 15:55

Good read...............unfortunately its all very well to want the coppers like they used to have..............society is vastly different than what it used to be...........i know jack about it really but maybe theres just not enough cops to go round........the answer to that would seem simple.......and no i dont mean take them off the roads...........

**spudchucka** · 19th March 2007, 16:14

Originally Posted by Bass

I for one, wish that you would.

Search the forums, read my posts, you'll understand why I can't be fucked with a post like that.

**spudchucka** · 19th March 2007, 16:30

Originally Posted by 98tls

Good read...............unfortunately its all very well to want the coppers like they used to have..............society is vastly different than what it used to be...........i know jack about it really but maybe theres just not enough cops to go round........the answer to that would seem simple.......and no i dont mean take them off the roads...........

The answer is simple when you remove the emotional aspect, as you've done. The cops are just spread too thin. Some areas are worse than others, Dorkland being one of those.

NZ has some of the worst police to population ratios of the developed world. You aren't ever going to get them to stop enforcing traffic rules so if you want a better service from police in other areas you need to concentrate on enhancing that area.

But, for some reason, the polly's and bean counters aren't interested, they'd rather keep feeding $$$ into ways in which they can drag the rest of us down until we are all the lowest common denominator.

**Bass** · 19th March 2007, 16:30

Originally Posted by spudchucka

Search the forums, read my posts, you'll understand why I can't be fucked with a post like that.

Pity..... As it turns out, I wasn't the only one genuinely interested in your comments, but so be it.

**spudchucka** · 19th March 2007, 16:33

Don't worry, I can assure you that this WON'T be the last debate on this subject on KB.

For some reason I'm just finding this one particularly tiresome.

**Delphinus** · 19th March 2007, 16:38

Originally Posted by Ixion

And when anyone tries to raise these concerns, the response is "It is only property crime. That does not matter. Speeding drivers kill people. 400 of them every year. ".

So we have 400 people dying on the roads every year. What percentage of these deaths are actually caused by speeding drivers? How many are people failing to give way/going over center line/falling asleep/etc?

**Patrick** · 19th March 2007, 16:42

Further to that... it all sounds so nice when the gubbamint says "Extra 1000 police over the next 3 years..."

What they conveniently forget to mention is the fact that over those three years there will be 1000 Police leaving from retirement, resignation, had a guts full of all the snaking they have to do, whatever.. The population grows, the ratio of Police per head of population gets worse...

One step forward, another two back... There just isn't enough cops... ever... the government won't let it improve, ever.... except briefly at election time only...

**spudchucka** · 19th March 2007, 16:44

Originally Posted by Delphinus

So we have 400 people dying on the roads every year. What percentage of these deaths are actually caused by speeding drivers? How many are people failing to give way/going over center line/falling asleep/etc?

All of them were moving at some velocity. While their velocity may not have caused the crash it ultimately has a great deal to do with their sudden departure.

**Patrick** · 19th March 2007, 16:44

Originally Posted by Delphinus

So we have 400 people dying on the roads every year. What percentage of these deaths are actually caused by speeding drivers? How many are people failing to give way/going over center line/falling asleep/etc?

That is Ixion trolling... no one, except him, says speed killed all 400 of them...

**Fatjim** · 19th March 2007, 16:57

Originally Posted by spudchucka

All of them were moving at some velocity. While their velocity may not have caused the crash it ultimately has a great deal to do with their sudden departure.

Same with air accidents. Maybe we should limit the speed of planes?

The short of it is. Speed is the easiest part of the problem to target. With a radar or lasar gun you have a measured quantity of quilt. With careless or dangerous you don't and the pain the coppers have to go through to get a conviction is much greater. It also means you can employ less intelligent and scrupulous officers.

Nash Bluebean · 19th March 2007, 17:02

One time i ranned down a dang hiway copper on my 1964 scavenger, i stopped just so i good spit on his ugly face, never got caught, dawg narbit

**Squeak the Rat** · 19th March 2007, 17:12

i hope that account gets merged...

Originally Posted by patrick

What they conveniently forget to mention is the fact that over those three years there will be 1000 Police leaving from retirement, resignation, had a guts full of all the snaking they have to do, whatever.. The population grows, the ratio of Police per head of population gets worse...

One step forward, another two back... There just isn't enough cops... ever... the government won't let it improve, ever.... except briefly at election time only...

Agreed, and I think most people would. The differing opinions seem to be the allocation of current resources.

**spudchucka** · 19th March 2007, 17:40

Originally Posted by Fatjim

Same with air accidents. Maybe we should limit the speed of planes?

The short of it is. Speed is the easiest part of the problem to target. With a radar or lasar gun you have a measured quantity of quilt. With careless or dangerous you don't and the pain the coppers have to go through to get a conviction is much greater. It also means you can employ less intelligent and scrupulous officers.

Speed is also the area in which they can impact the most on trauma caused in crashes.

Careless and dangerous are not painful prosecutions to manage.