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    Wind power ugly?? Hell no! Wind farms look awesome! I'd have a wind generator on top of my house if it would pay for itself in a reasonable period. I'm sure the neighbours would have a moan about the noise... they'll have a bigger moan when petrol hits $2 though I'm sure.

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    Petrol could hit $10 a litre. I'd still use petrochemical powered machines to push down, blow up, smash and dig over wind farms. Visual pollution of the worst kind.
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    ill die before i use an electric car or bike.

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    To be fair to the hippy, I think it's better to at least attempt things like the Prius. If you cancel each half-arsed project/experiment before it reaches maturity, you might just crush the next big technology before it properly began. Sure, according to this article (have to agree with Renegade for once here), this hybrid isn't all it's cracked up to be, but I'm sure there's potential in the technology, and as more cars and manufacturers experiment the technology will mature.

    Diversity can't be a bad thing. Sure, I love petrol engines, and internal combustion of most kinds (not really keen on the internal spontaneous combustion sort), but somebody probably a long time ago, talking to his mates in the pub, pissed on internal combustion engines and said steam power is the shiznizzle. I know that's a clichéd argument, but there's no point in labelling a whole technology shit just because one implementation appears to have missed the mark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim2 View Post
    Petrol could hit $10 a litre. I'd still use petrochemical powered machines to push down, blow up, smash and dig over wind farms. Visual pollution of the worst kind.
    Eye of the beholder I guess... wind farms are beautiful to me.

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    ill die before i use an electric car or bike.
    Yeah, all the torque all the time, who'd want that..


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    Quote Originally Posted by Delphinus View Post
    Agreed, petroleum products are currently the most efficient way to store energy
    Thats a very single minded idea. Read a book - Petrol is only 20% (max) efficent in 99% of combustion engines.
    Just because its easy doesnt mean its efficient. Unlike what BP would tell you.

    The fact of the matter was that the prius (with all of its downfalls) did something, even the most energy efficient vehicles did not.
    It sold.
    The problem that existed on the Prius design was the fact it was built for Americans - who only like big shiny, heavy, fancy cars. It was bound to have failures - comparing it to the golf is just silly as its nearly twice a big.
    It is more comparable to the Caddy - which has the same motor, but unfortunately lacks all the luxury items. Both are ugly.
    While i do not think it is the greatest car in the world - I still think that the concept was a good 1, as it got americans out of 3L+ family vans/wagons; and changed the mindsets of many (like multiple nz's) people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edbear View Post
    No, I think genuinely that there must be a way to utilise these natural and plentiful resources in an environmentally sound way. Technology excites me and I like exploring all options. Solar power must hold great potential as with water-hydrogen.

    Logic says that Electric Power Stations are completely uneccessary, each home could be fully self-sufficient on power, why is this not the case?

    Popular Mechanics about 35 years ago, showed a small boat that moved under wave power using fins. Could achieve 6 knots in ideal conditions.

    Smokey Yunick in the US was exploring high temp compound turbo motors that were achieving amazing economy! I believe the technology is there, but cost-effectiveness is the driving force unfortunately, not the desire for the best technology regardless. Progress, while determined by cost, will always be too slow.
    Honda have shown a car at the Paris? motorshow, which uses a fuel cell. That in itself is not newsworthy, others have done it, buuuut, the fuel cell can also be used to power a house....Drive into the garage, plug in and power the house.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim2 View Post
    At last, another Velikovsky fan!
    Oh crap.

    Do I have to downgrade you from "amusing guru" to "nutter"?!

    (And windfarms look fine to me. Are you one of those who wrote to the paper to complain abut the Hikitia [floating crane near Te papa]).
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    I'm not that concerned about the Hikitia as it will most likely sink in the next couple of years due to the weight of the barnacles accreting on its hull.
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    Quote Originally Posted by avgas View Post
    Thats a very single minded idea. Read a book - Petrol is only 20% (max) efficent in 99% of combustion engines.
    Just because its easy doesnt mean its efficient. Unlike what BP would tell you.
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    Yeah, but the petrol internal combustion engine was only 6-8% efficient in a thermal sense a mere decade and a half ago. There are two stroke engines approaching 40% thermal efficiency due to the use of exhaust gas to ignite the next intake stroke, amongst other clever ideas. Honda who HATE two strokes raced one in the Paris-Dakar (EXP-2 I think it was called) about a decade ago and it was pumping out emissions that would easily pass Euro 3 in race mode.

    The oil company response will be to foster the implementation of increasingly efficient IC engines, because it will help them cling on for longer. The hybrids are a blind alley, and are incredibly expensive to build and dispose of.
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    Any consideration of global fuel efficiency and resource conservation must come to a dead bone juddering stop when you consider that things like the Prius move half a ton of steel and plastic around to take one 100kg (roughly) person from A to B

    The private motor car by definition is a conservation dodo.

    If Prius owners really cared about the things the claim to they woudn't be driving a car full stop. Small motorcycle or public transport. Or walk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ixion View Post

    The private motor car by definition is a conservation dodo.
    That's BRILLIANT.

    I'm voting Communist next election, just as a reward for that comment.
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    Bingo Ixion - hit the nail on the head.
    The prius wasnt about how much it would save the planet - it was about teaching those USA'ns about what a hybrid is.
    Previous to its release it wasnt 'cool' when you tried to be green.
    Hopefully the next step is they start building real economy vehicles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ixion View Post
    The private motor car by definition is a conservation dodo.


    Of course it is! It's just that so much of life is about doing what we enjoy rather than teutonic efficiency.

    If efficiency was the absolute, we would have very boring and restricted lives indeed, so the balance is finding the way of doing what we want without killing the planet and thereby ourselves while we do it.

    The Earth has amazing powers of recovery and can cope with incredible waste, however greed and avarice have ensured we have constantly worked against nature to the point where it is now too late according to many Earth scientists to reverse the environmental damage we have caused. Now that the Permafrost has begun to melt, it will release a snowball-effect of increasing greenhouse gasses which cannot be halted on a scale never imagined. The extinction of species is increasing and this includes the bottom of the foodchain organisms which will inevitably work its way up.

    It's incredible to think that so much damage can be caused in so short a time by a world population that despite numbering over 6 Billion, could comfortably fit in the State of Texas with room to spare. How can the Earth be overpopulated? It's also currently producing enough food to feed double its population.

    Slightly off-topic, I know, but we have the technology and the means to have a far more efficient and better place to live. What we seem to lack is the incentive and collective purpose to do so. The Prius may be a smart marketing ploy or a genuine attempt to make something better, but it sums up "progress" in that it is actually worse for the environment and the consumer than it purports to be. Kinda like Thalidomide. "Hey, this is great! It will mean this benefit for users!" Not mentioning the downside, of course...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edbear View Post

    The Earth has amazing powers of recovery and can cope with incredible waste, however greed and avarice have ensured we have constantly worked against nature to the point where it is now too late according to many Earth scientists to reverse the environmental damage we have caused. Now that the Permafrost has begun to melt, it will release a snowball-effect of increasing greenhouse gasses which cannot be halted on a scale never imagined. The extinction of species is increasing and this includes the bottom of the foodchain organisms which will inevitably work its way up.
    So "THEY" say.

    The permafrost has melted before and it will do it again. The CO2 pumped out by the planet vastly outweighs anything we do, and we're just beginning to realise what a massive effect things like a lack of sunspot activity for 22 years do to the upper atmosphere and plankton regeneration cycles, as well as weather cycles.

    "They" would like us to believe that there are absolutes and we MUST do "x" to survive. Usually "x" involves making a of of money for someone. Just because "they" say something doesn't mean"they" are right.

    As much as this will piss some people off, the US consumes 80% of what is produced, either directly or indirectly. The US have to make massive changes or the efforts the rest of us make are just pissing in the wind.
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