Accepting personal responsibility

[yungatart]

What if you just think for your self and the rest of us think for our selves

Trouble with that is, it assumes that all of us think!
Kinda stretching it a bit, isn't it?

[Grahameeboy]

Trouble with that is, it assumes that all of us think!
Kinda stretching it a bit, isn't it?

Arrr..well said Grasshopper.........Doma Arigater Sensei...........

[Macktheknife]

Hows about you stop trying to think for the rest of us If ya dont like it dont read it
What if you just think for your self and the rest of us think for our selves

Jeezus boy, what crawled up your arse and got you in a pickle?

Frosty, like many other mentors on the site, is showing his concern for other riders. He spends countless hours helping others and teaching newer riders how to handle their bikes, their tools, and themselves when it comes to riding and surviving.
Whatever your issue is, you might want to consider that you are slagging off someone who has, does and will continue to do a lot for any member of KB who needs help.
You might even be one of those one day.
Before you get into this you might want to do some of that 'thinking for yourself' that you were on about.

[Grahameeboy]

Jeezus boy, what crawled up your arse and got you in a pickle?

A 'Potholer'.....................but well said...........thinks he can throw his 6ft 5 frame and 200lb plus frame around.......mmmm.......must

[Scouse]

Frosty,is trying to teaching newer riders how to handle their bikes, their tools, and themselves when it comes to riding and surviving.
You might even be one of those one day.

I doubt that very much sunshine I dont think there is much to learn from a back of the pack formula 3 tryer

[Grahameeboy]

I doubt that very much sunshine

So is your bike repaired yet??

[Scorpygirl]

My name is Scorpygirl and I take responsibility for my crash!!! (P/T).

Honestly though I am quite gutted about having a crash so soon after climbing back in the saddle again. I can't remember much really, trying to play it over in my mind, and keep thinking about what I could have done differently. I probably (maybe) could have braked harder, sooner. All I know is I have learnt from this and will be even more aware of gaps in the traffic where a car could come through. I am more determined than ever to do the RRRS course, once the bike is on the road.

[sidecar bob]

I wish the ass who dropped his Fireblade all down the side of my car on boxing day outside the Grand Hotel in Wanganui, while i was at the Cemetary Circiut had accepted personal responsibility, instead of jumping on his bike & buggering off.

[Scorpygirl]

I have been thinking about this all night. Frosty do you mean fault, responsibility or accountability.

In many of the bike incidents I think they mean someone was legally at fault. Ok they may say XYZ was responsible but thats not what they really mean. Please Frosty most of us are hurt in more ways than one and we try to learn. Don't bag us cause in the heat of being hurt we mix the metaphor.

[Hitcher]

If we were all to accept personal responsibility, what the fuck would we moan about?

[James Deuce]

I have been thinking about this all night. Frosty do you mean fault, responsibility or accountability.

Yes. Indeed.

[Macktheknife]

I doubt that very much sunshine I dont think there is much to learn from a back of the pack formula 3 tryer

I don't know you and I have no idea of your history, but I do know Frosty. I have seen him spend many hours with many people going over basic skills of how to ride and control the bikes they are on. I have seen him give up his time and effort to pick up peoples bikes when they have ditched them, put them in his van and take them home for total strangers.
I have seen him provide parts for peoples bikes from his own garage, when they have needed them due to accident or similar, without accepting payment for them.
I have spent many hours as a mentor myself working alongside him and seeing how much sincere effort and passion he puts in to improving new riders skills. I am aware of how many of the mistakes of new riders come from not considering all aspects of road conditions and simple errors in reading situations. This one of the most crucial aspects of new rider training.
I have never seen you on these nights, nor have I ever heard of you giving up your time for these riders who need mentoring and can benefit from experienced riders sharing and explaining the common mistakes.
Your opinion of Frosty notwithstanding, he is doing his best and puts up his time and skills to help others.
Besides giving him shit, what are you doing?

[Macktheknife]

I have been thinking about this all night. Frosty do you mean fault, responsibility or accountability.

In many of the bike incidents I think they mean someone was legally at fault. Ok they may say XYZ was responsible but thats not what they really mean. Please Frosty most of us are hurt in more ways than one and we try to learn. Don't bag us cause in the heat of being hurt we mix the metaphor.

Pretty sure he is not bagging anyone here SG, just asking the question if maybe some people are looking to 'blame' others without recognising what they have done to contribute to the situation, like riding in a blind spot.

[McJim]

I think the gist of Frosty's statement is that we should abandon the blame culture where each individual rider assumes that because they themselves are obeying the rules of the road that they are therefore in little or no danger. As a subset of road users we are more vulnerable than most and are vulnerable by choice (the choice being our decision to ride bikes).

We must therefore be responsible in that we ride in such a way as to allow for the fact that many cages are driven by fuckwits whose minds are invariably on something else at the time.

The responsibility implied here is not legal accountability and is certainly not the apportioning (or apportionment?...Hitcher?) of blame.

Be aware that your choice of transport puts you in harms way. Being aware of that harm is a good distance along the road of staying upright.

Or have I got the wrong end of the stick......again?

[scumdog]

I think the gist of Frosty's statement is that we should abandon the blame culture where each individual rider assumes that because they themselves are obeying the rules of the road that they are therefore in little or no danger.

Be aware that your choice of transport puts you in harms way. Being aware of that harm is a good distance along the road of staying upright.

Or have I got the wrong end of the stick......again?

True -so true!

I'm sure a lot of people breeze through intersections thinking they're OK 'cos they don't have a red-light/stop sign/give way in their way - AND assume that nobody else would run a red light etc,stop sign/give way.

They are SO trusting - and so dead in in some cases.