Why am is this not suprising.

**RT527** · 31st March 2007, 11:29

Originally Posted by Grahameeboy

Trubs is would anyone listen..............it is not just down to the Govt as destiny is in everyone's hands...........

Well it would be a start if you and the rest on here started listening...its easy to say would anyone listen...its not about anyone else its about each and every one of us to do something about it...

**Patrick** · 31st March 2007, 11:38

Originally Posted by Colapop

Are we so desensitised by this sort of crap that the most we can do is post about how bad we feel about this story? FFS we elect the fucking government. How about we start taking some collective responsibility and tell them to sort this shit out? We have to do something tell these sick fucks that they're not going to be tolerated.

We did that with the referendum not too long ago... "Harsher penalties and sentencing" is what over 92% of the voters said in the referendum. What did Helen and her cronies do??

Brought in home detention, earlier release dates, feeble parole... In other words, she ignored over 92% of the population... again....

**Patrick** · 31st March 2007, 11:39

Originally Posted by Colapop

...and then we sink to his level....

I disagree... sounds like justice for the baby to me...

**nadroj** · 31st March 2007, 11:41

"He has been charged with sexual violation and intentional wounding of his baby son. It was incorrectly reported yesterday that the offence was sodomy."

What is the difference?

**Patrick** · 31st March 2007, 11:45

Originally Posted by Grahameeboy

I was talking generally but understand.

What if this guy was a normal guy (whatever that is eh?), you know the salt of the earth etc and had this 'turn'...........not saying he should do 100 lines 'I must not.......', just saying that fine put him away but still give him help.

Thats a big what if Graeme..

What if he has history of kiddie fiddling? And then does this????

**Patrick** · 31st March 2007, 11:53

Originally Posted by nadroj

"He has been charged with sexual violation and intentional wounding of his baby son. It was incorrectly reported yesterday that the offence was sodomy."

What is the difference?

Sexual Violation is is unconsentual sex... intentional wounding is hurting someone real bad...

Probably the penalty... sodomy could be consentual (although clearly not in this case...) and the penalty may be lower... unsure... need to look it up.

**Colapop** · 31st March 2007, 13:56

Originally Posted by Patrick

We did that with the referendum not too long ago... "Harsher penalties and sentencing" is what over 92% of the voters said in the referendum. What did Helen and her cronies do??

Brought in home detention, earlier release dates, feeble parole... In other words, she ignored over 92% of the population... again....

So... we just give up? Or do we keep going until we force change?

You may not change the world as one person but as a group of people pursuing a common goal you can change the course of history.

**Patrick** · 31st March 2007, 15:12

Originally Posted by Colapop

So... we just give up? Or do we keep going until we force change?

You may not change the world as one person but as a group of people pursuing a common goal you can change the course of history.

Just a sign of what they obviously think of the vast majority... look at the anti smacking bill...

Govt is really saying..

we don't care what you think, we will do what we want."

A group of people pursuing a common goal have said "harsher penalties, bin the smacking bill"...just to name a few... but nothing changes.... and we still keep going until the next election...

**Hitcher** · 31st March 2007, 15:36

Originally Posted by Colapop

So... we just give up? Or do we keep going until we force change?

What "change" do you want to force? Will kiddie fiddling be stopped by punitive prison sentences, compulsory castration or (horror of horrors) the death penalty? No. Will "right thinking" people somehow feel better because they have been intolerant hard-arses by passing such legislation? Possibly. Will these same "right thinking" people mind building more and more prisons or by sanctioning revenge killing? Possibly. But will kiddie fiddling be stopped by punitive prison sentences, compulsory castration or the death penalty? No.

Rather than attacking the symptom, how about looking at the causes? But that's way harder than building more prisons or introducing state-sanctioned murder, so let's just focus on the symptoms. And moaning about how the "justice" system is failing our society. That's way easier.

**KATWYN** · 31st March 2007, 15:43

My goodness these people walk among us. We pass them in the street,
we stand in line at the petrol station with them ,they may even live next door to us....yea they need help - from what i've read rehabilitating people like that is a waste of time. It wouldn't surprise me if the only good thing about 'helping' them is that they are identified and can be kept an eye on,therefore minimising the risk of re-offending.

I know if I was a mental health worker I would rather concentrate my skills on the survivors of these selfish crimes.

**nadroj** · 31st March 2007, 16:08

Originally Posted by Patrick

We did that with the referendum not too long ago... "Harsher penalties and sentencing" is what over 92% of the voters said in the referendum. What did Helen and her cronies do??

Brought in home detention, earlier release dates, feeble parole... In other words, she ignored over 92% of the population... again....

Try reverse psychology?

**doc** · 31st March 2007, 16:53

Originally Posted by Grahameeboy

Exactly...............there has been a thread about 'Depression' recently and we are sympathetic......'Depression' is the low end of mental illness, this guy has a mental illness and we simply judge him by his actions.........

This guy doesn't have a mental illness,peadophilles (sp) can not be cured .
You can't offer the other cheek to these types. Also you can't naively think that we can tolerate this behaviour as systematic with other problems with our society. Sorry don't agree with PC support on this one. Got to do the hard stuff here and remove him permanently. Fifeen days old man cmon.

**doc** · 31st March 2007, 17:10

Originally Posted by Grahameeboy

Just because we don't understand does not mean that he should not get help..........I cannot understand how this guy could do this so we need to try and understand by giving him help.....

Crap crap crap. Nursing students years ago explained what your saying as. A nurse and a social worker come across a KB'r lying in the gutter next to broken bottle outside a bar bleeding with a serious heading injury and unconcious,the nurse turns to the socialworker and says this guy needs help. The social worker says no who ever did this needs help. You are never going to fix the "Kahui" problem in our society. Get use to it. Rhetoric is all we have at the moment pretty sure it was a KB'r

**kevfromcoro** · 31st March 2007, 17:39

this is sick,,,15 days old..who would do that....was in thailand a few years ago..saw a drunken marine take a gun of a police officer,more police turned up and put 7 bullets in to him..instant justice.