KLR riders out there [Archive] - Page 2

Woodman

6th August 2009, 20:35

Could have done with some better footage. Photos would have been more informative, however I guess it goes - well for 100m anyway.

Took mine for a cruise up the Maunga last evening to see if inserting the Mitsi valve springs into the forks would make much difference. I think that it definitely hardened things up as I could feel all the smaller rocks I was running over. I didn't bottom out the front though which was good (the back is another story).

I don't know if it improved my riding or not as I was having one of those rides where the track just seems to move around to where you want to be headed.

So will ya leave em in or not? Should take away a few oh shit moments when you are going a wee bit too fast.

Padmei

7th August 2009, 07:45

So will ya leave em in or not? Should take away a few oh shit moments when you are going a wee bit too fast.

I'll leave them in. Most of my oh shit moments are when I'm going slow - or working on it in the workshop:yes:

CrazyFrog

8th August 2009, 19:55

Found this in the Fly Buys rewards catalogue.... perfect for the KLR owner.

http://www.kawasaki.com.au/kawpublic_docs/Kawasaki69pcAllPurposeToolKitNowAvailable!.pdf

Includes a big hammer for when the going gets tough:laugh:

Woodman

8th August 2009, 20:10

If those tools are anything like the ones in the klr toolkit they ain,t worth shit.

Eddieb

8th August 2009, 21:02

You guys should band together world wide and petition kwaka to put long legs on the versys motor or something.

pete376403

8th August 2009, 22:06

marks

8th August 2009, 22:48

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/06-08-KAWASAKI-EX650-MOTOR-ENGINE-Ninja-EX650R-EX-650_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQha shZitem5ad267fe77QQitemZ390077087351QQptZMotorcycl esQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

Wonder what it would cost to have shipped to New Zealand?

it would lose too much of its character if you put one of those in Pete

just get a 705 kit and be done with it. Modern day Goldstar

I think 705 has a nice ring to it (and 685 has a nice bark to it:wari:)

JATZ

10th August 2009, 21:04

Oh woe is me :crybaby:

the boys little klr now sits next to the mighty BIG, in the shed.God I hope nothin rubs off

Nah... seriously not a bad little machine, rode it home from Nelson and overtook Mrs Jatz on the outside of a corner, she was on the Trumpy and too busy pissin herself laughin to offer any resistance.
Should go betterer without the rimlocks now and some decent E-08's on

Padmei

11th August 2009, 07:33

Was it the camo one? Post a pic or two.

JATZ

11th August 2009, 19:45

Was it the camo one?
No

Post a pic or two.
All in good time

:scooter:.....

Woodman

14th August 2009, 08:59

How do you know if you have a blown rear shocky?
Took mine out yesterday when doing some greasing, and when I pushed the valve thingy there was a fair bit of pressure in there but not as much as I thought there would be. The shocky has a bit of grime on it etc but mainly on the front side so hopefully thats not from the shock leaking.

Bike seems to be handling good at the moment, but Nordie commented on its lack of dampening when he sat on it the other week, but thats how i had it set up etc.

How much mileage have others got from these??

NordieBoy

14th August 2009, 10:06

It's probably (over)due for a rebuild.

Some fresh oil and re-gas and it'll be away.

marks

14th August 2009, 13:52

It's probably (over)due for a rebuild.

Some fresh oil and re-gas and it'll be away.

actually - he should buy one of these (http://www.klr650.net/forums/showthread.php?t=68772) so you and Colin can test it out and I can see if its worth the money

NordieBoy

14th August 2009, 14:33

actually - he should buy one of these (http://www.klr650.net/forums/showthread.php?t=68772) so you and Colin can test it out and I can see if its worth the money

If/when I upgrade the rear shock, it'll be one of Ricks conversions.

Woodman

14th August 2009, 17:55

It's probably (over)due for a rebuild.

Some fresh oil and re-gas and it'll be away.

Got it re gassed today, it isn't leaking or anything. That ricor thing sounds good but I am actually pretty happy with the handling at the moment, and can't go doing too many farkles or there will be none left to do.

warewolf

14th August 2009, 17:56

How do you know if you have a blown rear shocky?"Blown" meaning worn out rather than a leaking seal (which amounts to the same thing anyway)... 20,000km on a road bike and less according to the amount of off-roading you are doing.

Ppl seem to understand that fork oil needs to be changed at that sort of interval, but not the shock oil. You've got ~1L of fork oil and ~200mL of shock oil. The forks are in cooling air and rarely heat up, the shock is usually behind the engine copping all the heat, and being worked harder by the action of the driven wheel. Which one do you reckon suffers the most?

By 15-20,000km the shock on the 640A would noticeably lose damping on protracted rough sections as the oil lost the plot. Didn't do that when the oil was fresher.

Woodman

14th August 2009, 18:08

"Blown" meaning worn out rather than a leaking seal (which amounts to the same thing anyway)... 20,000km on a road bike and less according to the amount of off-roading you are doing.

Ppl seem to understand that fork oil needs to be changed at that sort of interval, but not the shock oil. You've got ~1L of fork oil and ~200mL of shock oil. The forks are in cooling air and rarely heat up, the shock is usually behind the engine copping all the heat, and being worked harder by the action of the driven wheel. Which one do you reckon suffers the most?

By 15-20,000km the shock on the 640A would noticeably lose damping on protracted rough sections as the oil lost the plot. Didn't do that when the oil was fresher.

Thats a bloody good point. I presume the gas is just a cooling medium so it will be interesting to see if it does anything. Its such a simple job taking the shock out that a bit of experimentation cannot hurt and i may learn something. Until I ride a klr with all the goodies on this is quite adequate, and if i really want to get it handling well it would probarbly make more financial sense to trade to a ktm or similar. Saw a 2000 xr650 in Filco today, cool but why are xrs so bloody expensive? $9200 and no leccy leg.

warewolf

14th August 2009, 19:36

Never heard the idea about the gas being a cooling medium - will have to do some research. Mainly it reduces cavitation which not only ruins your damping for that stroke, it starts a rapid escalation towards foaming the oil = noot good.

Having your existing kit properly serviced and working well is a long way towards good after-market stuff. Ppl tend to let their bike fall in to disrepair, and then rave about how much better the new model is - when in fact it may be only an almost undetectable 1% better but in readily apparent 99% better condition. The shock in my DR-Z250 was OEM with a quick re-valve, and it got serviced every year. It always performed stunningly well - probably the best bit of the bike.

XRs are desirable and that model in particular is what 15+ years newer design than your KLR? They weren't cheap new and obviously are holding their value reasonably well. I'd look hard at one for a japper adventure/trail bike.

Padmei

14th August 2009, 22:15

actually - he should buy one of these (http://www.klr650.net/forums/showthread.php?t=68772) so you and Colin can test it out and I can see if its worth the money

Shit I was so caught up in all the hype I nearly pushed the button to buy!!
I read thru the complete thread & if I wasn't broke I would be purchasing them & the intimators.

The thing is tho, they sound the business yet look really plain. I mean if this is the future of motorcycle suspension then shouldn't they have fins or spoilers attached?

I know I'll be kicking myself in a years time for not springing for one now while they're so cheap. If it was a nobody company I would not take much notice but from what Ricorshocks says he's pretty much designed the bees knees in suspension over the years.

What do you guys reckon.

Woodman

14th August 2009, 22:23

Shit I was so caught up in all the hype I nearly pushed the button to buy!!
I read thru the complete thread & if I wasn't broke I would be purchasing them & the intimators.

The thing is tho, they sound the business yet look really plain. I mean if this is the future of motorcycle suspension then shouldn't they have fins or spoilers attached?

I know I'll be kicking myself in a years time for not springing for one now while they're so cheap. If it was a nobody company I would not take much notice but from what Ricorshocks says he's pretty much designed the bees knees in suspension over the years.

What do you guys reckon.

Personally i never got to the price of the rear ones or any specs etc. Did they come with a free set of steak knives, no not just one set of steak knives but with every free set of steak knives you will get not one but two sets of steak knives absolutely free.
So how much were the rear ones.

Padmei

14th August 2009, 22:32

Personally i never got to the price of the rear ones or any specs etc. Did they come with a free set of steak knives, no not just one set of steak knives but with every free set of steak knives you will get not one but two sets of steak knives absolutely free.
So how much were the rear ones.

ricor shocks (http://store.ricorshocks.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=175-20-1001)

What??? steak knives???

Are you mental or something?

No Woodman they're shocks - not shocks like you had at that special place mummy left you at for a few weeks while she went shopping - shocks like underneath the seat on your motorcycle. You know that make the wheels turn & stuff!!!

Man alive!! ...steak knives for goodness sake, You realise this is all going on the report...

steak knives he said, yes really he did, steak knives - in front of everybody

Woodman

14th August 2009, 22:43

ricor shocks (http://store.ricorshocks.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=175-20-1001)

What??? steak knives???

Are you mental or something?

No Woodman they're shocks - not shocks like you had at that special place mummy left you at for a few weeks while she went shopping - shocks like underneath the seat on your motorcycle. You know that make the wheels turn & stuff!!!

Man alive!! ...steak knives for goodness sake, You realise this is all going on the report...

steak knives he said, yes really he did, steak knives - in front of everybody

:clap::clap::clap:

Speaking of stea err suspension, how are you finding your Diamante atf equipped front end now?

JATZ

14th August 2009, 22:49

ricor shocks (http://store.ricorshocks.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=175-20-1001)

What??? steak knives???

Are you mental or something?

No Woodman they're shocks - not shocks like you had at that special place mummy left you at for a few weeks while she went shopping - shocks like underneath the seat on your motorcycle. You know that make the wheels turn & stuff!!!

Man alive!! ...steak knives for goodness sake, You realise this is all going on the report...

steak knives he said, yes really he did, steak knives - in front of everybody

Now if they were giving awy some of those scisors that can cut through a penny, with the knives, I'd be in.
Seriously...... I've been trying to track down some revolutionary bar weights that go inside the bars to cut down on vibration. I know Ricor were working on some. Fullah on ADVrider with an 800 was testing a set.

MMMMMMM....... Steak

Padmei

14th August 2009, 23:04

Now if they were giving awy some of those scisors that can cut through a penny, with the knives, I'd be in.
Seriously...... I've been trying to track down some revolutionary bar weights that go inside the bars to cut down on vibration. I know Ricor were working on some. Fullah on ADVrider with an 800 was testing a set.

MMMMMMM....... Steak

WTF Scissors cutting thru pennies? Bar ends to stop vibration?? FFS Jatz slap yourself for me will ya?

:clap::clap::clap:

Speaking of stea err suspension, how are you finding your Diamante atf equipped front end now?

Well I'm not sure. Lets be honest - I wouldn't know the difference in handling between a sack of spuds & a sack of kumaras.

I 'think' I feel more smaller bumps & the front feels a lot harsher which is what I'd imagined would happen. I haven't bottomed out yet which I usually do - good point!!

I have however had 2 offs in the last 2 rides I've had & they have been in the same place - the steepish loose rock bit before the bridge going up the Maunga. Once was going up & once going down. Both times I was feeling like I was riding well, so relaxed & confident yet not complacent. Each time the front wheel just bounced off a small rock & sent me off the track without any time to react. Tyre pressures were normal - around 20 - 21psi so may have been coincidence & bad luck/ placement, or... the front end not being compliant enough to soak up the little bumps...

I'm not sure at this stage but will keep the springs in to see if things improve or are a pita.

Wadaya think

Interesting reading in KLRnet how some guys are demodding their bikes re jets & pipes due to the bad fuel performance (well & they aren't into loud pipes)

Woodman

14th August 2009, 23:16

WTF Scissors cutting thru pennies? Bar ends to stop vibration?? FFS Jatz slap yourself for me will ya?

Well I'm not sure. Lets be honest - I wouldn't know the difference in handling between a sack of spuds & a sack of kumaras.

I 'think' I feel more smaller bumps & the front feels a lot harsher which is what I'd imagined would happen. I haven't bottomed out yet which I usually do - good point!!

I have however had 2 offs in the last 2 rides I've had & they have been in the same place - the steepish loose rock bit before the bridge going up the Maunga. Once was going up & once going down. Both times I was feeling like I was riding well, so relaxed & confident yet not complacent. Each time the front wheel just bounced off a small rock & sent me off the track without any time to react. Tyre pressures were normal - around 20 - 21psi so may have been coincidence & bad luck/ placement, or... the front end not being compliant enough to soak up the little bumps...

I'm not sure at this stage but will keep the springs in to see if things improve or are a pita.

Wadaya think

Interesting reading in KLRnet how some guys are demodding their bikes re jets & pipes due to the bad fuel performance (well & they aren't into loud pipes)

Interesting about the front end issues you are having now, can't say I have noticed that but have also had a few offs where the front has gone (big river), but more due to slipperyness than bouncing.

The demodding thing is interesting too. Since I raised the needle my fuel consimption has gone up noticeably. I still get the same range from a tankful now but the tank is now 5 litres bigger. The extra throttle response at lower revs is worth it though and it has stopped me riding so much close to the redline. Thinking of getting a new pipe (cos I can get em cheap) but they are a bit loud and I don't like loud pipes especially offroad.

NordieBoy

15th August 2009, 09:40

I've been trying to track down some revolutionary bar weights that go inside the bars to cut down on vibration. I know Ricor were working on some. Fullah on ADVrider with an 800 was testing a set.
Ricor Vibranators.
About $75us

marks

15th August 2009, 10:36

Ricor Vibranators.
About $75us

we fitted a set to my sons kdx200 - made a really noticeable reduction to vibration on the pro taper contour bars he has fitted (had to ream out the inside of the bars a bit for clearance - not sure why I had to pay the $120 for the new drill we needed to do it with...)

these guys make good stuff

Big Dave

15th August 2009, 10:51

Returned the long term KLR to Kiwi Rider yesterday.

With some sadness. I've been using it as my daily ride for about 6 weeks and really enjoyed it.

Jumped back on my buell. it's actually a lot like the KLR as a very versatile bike - with 60 more ponies and road tyres. Twice the price too.

marks

15th August 2009, 10:53

Interesting about the front end issues you are having now, can't say I have noticed that but have also had a few offs where the front has gone (big river), but more due to slipperyness than bouncing.

The demodding thing is interesting too. Since I raised the needle my fuel consimption has gone up noticeably. I still get the same range from a tankful now but the tank is now 5 litres bigger. The extra throttle response at lower revs is worth it though and it has stopped me riding so much close to the redline. Thinking of getting a new pipe (cos I can get em cheap) but they are a bit loud and I don't like loud pipes especially offroad.

I really noticed that the front end is less slippery with the intiminators fitted - same as the improvement you get when you fit new tires. it just seems more stable/glued

I'm trying to figure out how I can sneak the cost of the rear shock out of our budget without swmbo noticing....

demodding ???

fecking septic pussies. - the bike is so much more fun with all the carb/airbox/exhaust mods - who cares if I can only go 300km on a tank instead of 400

Moki

15th August 2009, 12:44

.... the bike is so much more fun with all the carb/airbox/exhaust mods - who cares if I can only go 300km on a tank instead of 400

Couldn't have said better myself......

Woodman

15th August 2009, 17:49

demodding ???

fecking septic pussies. - the bike is so much more fun with all the carb/airbox/exhaust mods - who cares if I can only go 300km on a tank instead of 400

Like I said, to fix your range get a bigger tank.

cooneyr

16th August 2009, 07:51

Like I said, to fix your range get a bigger tank.

Whoa just a minute! I though the beauty of the KLR vs the DR is that you didn't have to buy a bigger tank?? :bleh:

Cheers R

Eddieb

16th August 2009, 08:14

Like I said, to fix your range get a bigger tank.

'cept it didn't work for you did it.

NordieBoy

16th August 2009, 08:23

Whoa just a minute! I though the beauty of the KLR vs the DR is that you didn't have to buy a bigger tank?? :bleh:

Unless your old tank has a hole in it...

Woodman

16th August 2009, 08:31

Whoa just a minute! I though the beauty of the KLR vs the DR is that you didn't have to buy a bigger tank?? :bleh:

Cheers R

Ironic really, The main reason I got a klr was because of the tank size vs a Dr tank size. Me old bike only had about 200k range and it just ruined a good days exploring.
I didn't get this tank for range but even though it is 5 0r 6 litres bigger my range is still about 400 to a tank, mind you when i first got the klr and was only going to ride it on the road,:clap: 440k was do-able.

Moki

16th August 2009, 20:27

..... I've been trying to track down some revolutionary bar weights that go inside the bars to cut down on vibration.

I've used something called a 'bar snake'. Just a big thick solid strip of dense rubber that feeds through the handlebars. Seemed to work ok on my old z1300 running on 5 cylinders.

JATZ

16th August 2009, 20:34

I've used something called a 'bar snake'. Just a big thick solid strip of dense rubber that feeds through the handlebars. Seemed to work ok on my old z1300 running on 5 cylinders.

Cheers, I've got some thick insertion rubber in the shed so I might try that. Good thing is it's cheeeep, like me.
I was surprised when I jumped on the boys old shit kicker klr to find it has a 6speed gearbox :gob: I wonder if it'd fit on the DR, he'd never know :banana:

Woodman

16th August 2009, 21:32

I've used something called a 'bar snake'. Just a big thick solid strip of dense rubber that feeds through the handlebars. Seemed to work ok on my old z1300 running on 5 cylinders.

have heard of someone filling their bars up with rtv silicone. Not sure what the result was though. Try it jatz and get back to us:no:

NordieBoy

16th August 2009, 22:02

have heard of someone filling their bars up with rtv silicone. Not sure what the result was though. Try it jatz and get back to us:no:

Just don't do it if there's any switchgear locating holes in your bars...

JATZ

17th August 2009, 00:05

Just don't do it if there's any switchgear locating holes in your bars...

Yebut then they'd be waterproof:yes: and besides, the DR was built before they had switchgear locating holes :msn-wink:

marks

17th August 2009, 07:53

Yebut then they'd be waterproof:yes: and besides, the DR was built before they had switchgear locating holes :msn-wink:

where are you at with the engine rebuild on the big?

warewolf

17th August 2009, 08:35

marks

17th August 2009, 10:06

If you want to know about vibration dampening, check the KTM LC4 (640) Index Thread (http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86958). If it's been tried, it'll be written up in there.

And all I can suggest about vibe-dampening on a KLR is... HTFU, Princess! :bleh:

I thought Jatz wanted it for his Big (which we are giving the sought after status of "honarary KLR" because it has character)

KLR's don't vibrate enough to warrant dicking around.

my sons kdx didn't vibrate badly but it was enough to upset his rsi - the vibrinators made all the difference.

feck me - shipping cost via UPS for a Ricor back shock to NZ - $US196 - no thank you.

NordieBoy

17th August 2009, 10:59

I thought Jatz wanted it for his Big (which we are giving the sought after status of "honarary KLR" because it has broken down)

He'll be thrilled :niceone:

warewolf

17th August 2009, 13:30

KLR's don't vibrate enough to warrant dicking around.Given the dubious effectiveness of many of the options, that's a smart move.

my sons kdx didn't vibrate badly but it was enough to upset his rsi - the vibrinators made all the difference. There's different sorts of vibrations. The 640 thumps, but faark does the 200 buzz! The 640 is like using a hammer... thump, thump, thump whereas the 200 is like using a power tool... zzzzzZZZZZ.

feck me - shipping cost via UPS for a Ricor back shock to NZ - $US196 - no thank you.That's probably not the only option, just the automated one. IME many US websites don't have useful shipping options to NZ, but they'll usually do a reasonable option on request.

Big Dave

17th August 2009, 13:34

HTFU, Princess!

Internet tough guy.

warewolf

17th August 2009, 13:40

Hey that's enough from you, Internet big guy...

JATZ

17th August 2009, 17:51

I thought Jatz wanted it for his Big (which we are giving the sought after status of "honarary KLR" because it has character)

http://i412.photobucket.com/albums/pp201/ztaj/rilla.gifoooh yeah
I'm gunna start my own thread now gigidy gigidy
The DKLR thread or KDRLR or DRKLR........ahhh fcuk it why bother.

I mentioned the vibranators as someone mentioned Ricor, just making polite conversation really :bleh:

Just ordering the last bits for the DR, then it's full steam ahead, reakon it'll be going in about 4-6 weeks:eek:

Padmei

17th August 2009, 20:49

Jatz you're always welcome in our thread - we don't discriminate:msn-wink:

Marks get the ricor shock cos I really want one & so I can live vicariously thru your RRs.

Woodman

17th August 2009, 20:53

feck me - shipping cost via UPS for a Ricor back shock to NZ - $US196 - no thank you.

Is that an overnight service or something???? Thats ott DHL is cheaper, IMS klr tank only $US87.

marks

17th August 2009, 21:06

Marks get the ricor shock cos I really want one & so I can live vicariously thru your RRs.

its a lot of dosh but I'm thinking thinking thinking......

Woodman

17th August 2009, 21:10

Woodman

17th August 2009, 21:13

its a lot of dosh but I'm thinking thinking thinking......

looked at the site and thought it was only $us200 but that is only deposit, and apparently the oven needs replacing or some such crap:Police:

JATZ

17th August 2009, 21:37

Jatz you're always welcome in our thread - we don't discriminate:msn-wink:.

Awww shucks :grouphug:

Might even have to paint the BIG green for that........Nah

Padmei

17th August 2009, 21:44

Fcuk I really really want a husaberg. No other dirt bike gives me the horn like one of those. I reackon they're the KLR of the dirtbikes.

NordieBoy

17th August 2009, 21:55

its a lot of dosh but I'm thinking thinking thinking......

The quoted shipping rate for my intiminators were over the top too until I emailed them and found they only charge the actual rates.
Sometimes the UPS site they use to calc the shipping hiccups badly.

marks

17th August 2009, 22:17

Fcuk I really really want a husaberg. No other dirt bike gives me the horn like one of those. I reackon they're the KLR of the dirtbikes.

570 has a nice ring to it.....

NordieBoy

18th August 2009, 07:28

Fcuk I really really want a husaberg. No other dirt bike gives me the horn like one of those. I reackon they're the KLR of the dirtbikes.

Wouldn't the KLX be the KLR of dirtbikes?

CrazyFrog

18th August 2009, 07:52

My chain is doing some weird shit.

It is 23000k old now and has started making a horrible noise especially when taking off or accelerating rapidly. It just makes a clattering noise for a fes seconds. yesterday it was even bizarrerer, it was rattling the same then i would squirt crc on it and it would stop for a while then start again until it got another squirt. The other weird thing is that it would go a strange white colour. There is no aluminium flakes there and I lube it real well prior to riding etc.
Is it just getting old? or do I need a stickier lube. currently use chain bar lube, but carry a tiny crc can in me toolkit for when out riding

Woody, at 23,000km it sounds like its rooted. Can you lift it off the teeth on your rear sprocket? Otherwise, it may need more than usual adjustment because it's nearly rooted and the slack is hitting the swingarm. It sounds like one of the chain link rollers could be collapsed, go over the whole length of the chain and see if there's any real loose looking links. They make that clattering sound about 2km before they snap altogether!:laugh:
Start shopping and get one cheaper before you actually need it. Trademe normally works for me, ex stock ones a bit cheaper, I picked up my last DID VM X-ring for $70.

warewolf

18th August 2009, 08:24

Fcuk I really really want a husaberg. No other dirt bike gives me the horn like one of those. I reackon they're the KLR of the dirtbikes.WASH YOUR MOUTH OUT WITH WD-40!!!

'Bergs are the extreme opposite end of the performance & innovation spectrum to the KLR :bash:

marks

18th August 2009, 08:24

My chain is doing some weird shit.

It is 23000k old now

mines done 19500 and is rooted so you've done well

marks

18th August 2009, 08:27

WASH YOUR MOUTH OUT WITH WD-40!!!

'Bergs are the extreme opposite end of the performance & innovation spectrum to the KLR :bash:

'extreme' is such an unpleasant word when used in this context.........

Moki

18th August 2009, 15:23

The quoted shipping rate for my intiminators were over the top too until I emailed them and found they only charge the actual rates.
Sometimes the UPS site they use to calc the shipping hiccups badly.

Yeah, I noticed that...... Hit the buy button and the shipping jumped from something like 30 to 45 bucks and then asks you to confirm that it's cool to do that. WTF?:2guns:

Woodman

18th August 2009, 20:38

Woody, at 23,000km it sounds like its rooted

mines done 19500 and is rooted so you've done well

Thought as much, 23000k is pretty good I spose.
The previous owner did 11000ks and must have really abused it the bastard.:2guns:

Padmei

18th August 2009, 20:46

Better to find out now than out in the wild.

bart

18th August 2009, 21:23

Thought as much, 23000k is pretty good I spose.
The previous owner did 11000ks and must have really abused it the bastard.:2guns:

Haha...........just about choked. I only got about 7000 out of my last chain. I'm not known for looking after my gear though.

Cleaning the DRZ yesterday, I discovered why not to use waste car oil for chain lube. Makes a fooking mess of everything.

JATZ

18th August 2009, 21:48

Thought as much, 23000k is pretty good I spose.
The previous owner did 11000ks and must have really abused it the bastard.:2guns:

Faaaark, I think I've only done about 5000 (but I'd have to check my records)on the DR's chain and it's toast, I try to lube it every fill of the tank, sometimes it doesn't happen :shutup:

pete376403

18th August 2009, 21:59

I've got 15000 on my KLRs chain and it's still in very good condition. Still between the first two adjusting marks on the swingarm. Don't have a Scott or similar oiler (but would like one) but I am pretty anal about lubing the chain manually, using either aerosol sprays or else the heavy 'sticky" chain oil.
Makes a hell of a mess around the front sprocket area but if it keeps the chain and sprockets alive, I can live with that.
Probably about 75 / 25 % sealed roads / gravel or dirt roads.

marks

18th August 2009, 22:01

Faaaark, I think I've only done about 5000

you're a rough bastard though - unlike granma woody

I've got 15000 on my KLRs chain and it's still in very good condition. Still between the first two adjusting marks on the swingarm. Don't have a Scott or similar oiler (but would like one) but I am pretty anal about lubing the chain manually, using either aerosol sprays or else the heavy 'sticky" chain oil.
Makes a hell of a mess around the front sprocket area but if it keeps the chain and sprockets alive, I can live with that.
Probably about 75 / 25 % sealed roads / gravel or dirt roads.

you got your swingarm etc all back on?

JATZ

18th August 2009, 22:05

Howie

18th August 2009, 22:07

I'm at about 21000km on my chain and sprockets, and still have plenty of life left in them, Have hardly had to adjust my chain at all, I do run a scott oiler on it though.

Woodman

18th August 2009, 22:39

I'm at about 21000km on my chain and sprockets, and still have plenty of life left in them, Have hardly had to adjust my chain at all, I do run a scott oiler on it though.

Mine only really started to need adjustment regularly after about the 21k mark. No scott oiler here though, but am pretty good at lubing it.

warewolf

19th August 2009, 00:18

Once you need to adjust it frequently it's at end of life. You can measure the pitch against the wear limit if you want to get all empirical about it. Presumably there is a spec in your manual? The KTM books say 272 mm for 18 pins (ie span of 17) with 15kg load. IME beyond 270mm she's pretty rooted, is very loose on the sprockets and needs regular adjustment. That's for a 520 chain, but 525 and 530 are the same pitch - just different width.

Oh, and don't forget if your chain is poked, so are your sprockets.

23,000km is pretty good from my perspective. I get around 15,000km on the chain & rear sprocket, and 2 front sprockets.

pete376403

19th August 2009, 21:25

you got your swingarm etc all back on?

Yup, all good. Did you do the linkages etc on yours?

pete376403

19th August 2009, 21:28

Did you get your muffler sorted ?
Its physically a bit large for the KLR, even though its quite a bit lighter but I could use it on the GS1100 (Suzuki, not BMW). However if you'd like it back please say the word.

Woodman

19th August 2009, 21:32

marks

19th August 2009, 21:34

Yup, all good. Did you do the linkages etc on yours?

not yet - I've got quite a bit to do to it (chain/sprockets/fr brake pads/fit heavier rear spring/lube the back end/ fit bash plate - for a XR650??) so I keep putting it off and going riding....

Moki

20th August 2009, 16:12

...........I discovered why not to use waste car oil for chain lube. Makes a fooking mess of everything.

LOL.:laugh: Good on ya Bart for showing flashes of higher order thinking and reasoning...:blink:

Padmei

21st August 2009, 21:01

So what do ya reckon the shipping on one of them ricor shocks should be? Hmmm if the greenback plummets tonite to 80 nz cents....

Moki

24th August 2009, 07:13

So what do ya reckon the shipping on one of them ricor shocks should be? Hmmm if the greenback plummets tonite to 80 nz cents....

I imagine slightly less than what Bob's BMW were auto-quoting me for a six-pack of 1150GS oil filters ~ US$480 shipping + US$24 cost for the parts.

marks

24th August 2009, 07:48

So what do ya reckon the shipping on one of them ricor shocks should be? Hmmm if the greenback plummets tonite to 80 nz cents....

I got quoted $198US shipping for the shock so I emailed Ricor but haven't heard back

pete376403

31st August 2009, 22:16

Found this on advrider - what kawasaki could do as a KLR replacement.
or find a Versys thats had a head-on crash
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=501343
It's perfect - a 650, with almost double KLR horsepower, and it's STILL ugly as sin

Padmei

1st September 2009, 07:19

Saw that last nite as well. The irridescent green stood out for miles in the pics. I don't think the forks are ugly enough to be Kawa tho...

Would be good to see the versy & this creation side by side in the flesh to see what he's done

NordieBoy

3rd September 2009, 18:05

I just saw a mention in passing that holycaveman and B.C.Biker on ADVrider are running 705 kits...

Why havn't any of you done that and let me have a go?

Padmei

3rd September 2009, 20:19

I don't think it would really make much difference. They're more often than not put in as an substitute for the normal piston etc for those with oil burning problems. Not that much more expensive if you have to open the donk up anyway.

Besides which you still wouldn't like it - it's a KLR after all...

NordieBoy

3rd September 2009, 21:20

marks

3rd September 2009, 21:48

680 kits like marks's'ss'sss maybe but 705cc is getting big...

I like KLR's.

I still think they're weird though :bleh:

705 sounds MUCH MUCH bigger than a piddling 685 - almost DR Biggish

much more expensive - got to buy and press in and machine a new cylinder liner

and yes KLR's are weird - its what gives them character - the lawn tractor that could

Padmei

4th September 2009, 18:05

Here is Gonzo readied for action. Lost the back rack & wired up a UFO headlite & indicators for a quick change. It takes 3 mins approx to change - 6 screws to undo & 2 to install.

I thought I might be wasting my time doing this as the front rarely gets hit, however as it turned out the first ride enduroised I ran the front into a rocky rooty bank. Doesn't make much difference handling wise except I can see the front working more but was a good project & I like the result.

During the week it is a docile street machine.
http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww103/padmei_crayfish/minxenduro.jpg

In the weekend it becomes an enduro crazy machine
http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww103/padmei_crayfish/endurofront.jpg

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww103/padmei_crayfish/endurorear.jpg

MXNUT

4th September 2009, 18:53

Are those indicators built into the headlight :scooter:

NordieBoy

4th September 2009, 18:55

Looks ruff 'n tuff but pink isn't really your colour...

NordieBoy

4th September 2009, 18:56

Are those indicators built into the headlight :scooter:

Yep. Built in...

http://www.photostorage.nelson.geek.nz/sports/motorsport/mybikes/nordwest/Ratting/slides/ufo-headlight.jpg

http://www.photostorage.nelson.geek.nz/sports/motorsport/mybikes/nordwest/Ratting/slides/ufo-taillight.jpg

Padmei

4th September 2009, 19:56

I think they're har dto get now in NZ. A few shops remembered them but couldn't get them. I went to the Nordie Emporium.

NordieBoy

12th September 2009, 17:35

I do like this one...

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Padmei

12th September 2009, 18:46

Nup can't see the funny side really :mellow:

pete376403

12th September 2009, 19:32

have you weighed the original fairing and brackets? Just out of interest, when the '08s came out there was a lot of internet-raving-masquerading-as-fact that the new fairing added 50 lb to the bike.

Padmei

12th September 2009, 19:47

have you weighed the original fairing and brackets? Just out of interest, when the '08s came out there was a lot of internet-raving-masquerading-as-fact that the new fairing added 50 lb to the bike.

No I haven't but am surprised how lite the fairing actually is. Down forces etc may be a side issue however I'd say the fairing is no more than 3-4 kgs at a guess. I will try it tho - good question.

Ordered my intimators last nite - $US was 70c so thought I'd get in. Landed cost should be $265.00

If it hits 80cents I'll get the rear shock.

Moki

13th September 2009, 07:57

..Ordered my intimators last nite - $US was 70c so thought I'd get in. Landed cost should be $265.00.

SH%$!. Would have saved $25 bucks if I waited a week..

Hopefully today I get some time to fit these today. I'm trying to convince the old lady that installing these is far more important than finishing the painting in the kitchen or pulling weeds. I'm not winning at the moment.

Moki

14th September 2009, 11:28

Installed the Intiminators last night and rode in to work this morning. Didn't take any pix as it was a fairly grotty job and I couldn't be bothered washing my hands for each shot. Wow! What a difference! Completely transforms the front-end. It's like running on rails now. Very firm and although it doesn't completely eliminate the brake dive, it is much, much better. I reckon quite a bit of adjustment can be made with a combination of different weight olis and maybe progressive springs.

Interestingly, what came out of the forks when draining was I'm sure ATF. I replaced with .5l 5W Spectro Fork oil (each side). Didn't bother with chopping the spacer down, so with the thickness of the Intiminator, I had to push the cap down to screw on. Absolutely no sag now. With the ride sharpened up now I'll have to do something with the rear.

NordieBoy

14th September 2009, 12:45

The oil weight mainly affects the rebound damping.
You should be looking for 4-5cm of static sag so the forks can extend into holes/dips properly.

Moki

14th September 2009, 16:58

The oil weight mainly affects the rebound damping.
You should be looking for 4-5cm of static sag so the forks can extend into holes/dips properly.

Oh. So you recommend I do the chop on the spacer then...the equivalent to the thickness of the Intiminator?

NordieBoy

14th September 2009, 17:19

Oh. So you recommend I do the chop on the spacer then...the equivalent to the thickness of the Intiminator?
If your sag was good before then yep.

marks

14th September 2009, 18:21

Oh. So you recommend I do the chop on the spacer then...the equivalent to the thickness of the Intiminator?
I got some high pressure water pipe and chopped that by the 15mm over the stock spacers.

made a big improvement - was too harsh with stock spacers and inimatoresrs.

Woodman

14th September 2009, 22:01

Ordered my intimators last nite - $US was 70c so thought I'd get in. Landed cost should be $265.00

If it hits 80cents I'll get the rear shock.

bad communiation breakdown there china. We coulda saved ourselves 20 bucks.
Ordered mine last night. ooooooo we will have to get a patch.
Also back ordered some Eaglemike raising links for the back. They apparently change some leverage ratios to make the rear shocky work betterer.

warewolf

14th September 2009, 22:29

Also back ordered some Eaglemike raising links for the back. They apparently change some leverage ratios to make the rear shocky work betterer.Probably the opposite of lowering links. Lowering links reduce the rising rate, so the shock doesn't firm up like it should to reduce bottoming. With raising links, you'd be increasing the rising rate, make the shock firmer, sooner.

Woodman

14th September 2009, 22:50

Probably the opposite of lowering links. Lowering links reduce the rising rate, so the shock doesn't firm up like it should to reduce bottoming. With raising links, you'd be increasing the rising rate, make the shock firmer, sooner.

yes thats what they do (remember now) The rear is way better than the front so these 2 mods should be the ticket .
Really need to just get out and ride the thing.

Moki

15th September 2009, 10:24

I got some high pressure water pipe and chopped that by the 15mm over the stock spacers.

made a big improvement - was too harsh with stock spacers and inimatoresrs.

Cool. I'll try that. Thanks

Woodman

21st September 2009, 21:30

The raising links i backordered from a vicious cycle arrived at work today.
The intiminaterors should arrive at the end of this week .
Can't wait to fit em all and see what happens. :wari:

NordieBoy

21st September 2009, 21:43

The raising links i backordered from a vicious cycle arrived at work today.
The intiminaterors should arrive at the end of this week .
Can't wait to fit em all and see what happens. :wari:

You need to let Simon at Morleys have a look at the Intiminators when you get them.
They're pissing him off 'cause he can't understand how they work :D

Moki

22nd September 2009, 05:19

You need to let Simon at Morleys have a look at the Intiminators when you get them.
They're pissing him off 'cause he can't understand how they work :D

Just snake oil my friend, bloody good snakeoil......

No bull. Intiminators completely changed the front-end for the better. Fantastic mod for under 300 bucks

Padmei

22nd September 2009, 07:09

You need to let Simon at Morleys have a look at the Intiminators when you get them.
They're pissing him off 'cause he can't understand how they work :D

Jason was pretty impressed with yours Nordie. Waiting waiting

Padmei

23rd September 2009, 17:17

My intimators have turned up. Woodman yours must be close. How about doing them in the weekend?

NordieBoy

23rd September 2009, 18:14

My intimators have turned up. Woodman yours must be close. How about doing them in the weekend?

Drop in and show them to Simon at Morleys before they go in.

The little piston valve is cool eh :D

Woodman

24th September 2009, 21:57

My intimators have turned up. Woodman yours must be close. How about doing them in the weekend?

Got to work today and they were sitting on me desk. spent considerable time wondering how the hell they can do anything.mmmmmmm Lots of stickers which is good.

Sorry can't put them in this weekend cos am going scalloping in Golden bay (if the takaka hill is open), and next week is out too cos working in Blenheim all week:2guns:
got to fit the raising links too. Gonna be interesting to see what happens to the beasts aye.

NordieBoy

24th September 2009, 22:15

Ferkin huge sticker :D

Woodman

24th September 2009, 22:23

Ferkin huge sticker :D

have to stick it on the car.

What weight oil did you use?? it specifies 5w but I have 10w. What diff will it make?

NordieBoy

24th September 2009, 22:44

have to stick it on the car.

What weight oil did you use?? it specifies 5w but I have 10w. What diff will it make?

Big difference.
The weight affects the rebound damping.

Normal RaceTech emulators use 10w but you have to drill out the compression holes in the damper rods.
The Intiminators are tuned for 5w so you don't have to do any drilling/modding and can put them back to stock if you want.

Padmei

27th September 2009, 20:42

JATZ

27th September 2009, 21:02

I fitted the intimators this weekend (thanks Marks for info) & have posted in the Ricor thread of KLRnet my findings. Apologies to riders of other makes of bikes.

Let me know what you think I should do...

http://www.klr650.net/forums/showthread.php?t=72228

Interesting and thorough report there Padmei, made me chuckle just a little bit too:laugh:

Now instead of faffing about with it.......just ride the effing thing :scooter:

pete376403

27th September 2009, 21:03

Just read your post on KLR650.net - notice you have a GPS on the bike.
How accurate / inaccurate is the standard speedo? I get an attack of the guilts every time I see a cop cos I think I'm going way to fast, even thought the speedo is only indicating 100 - 105k. I got pinged for 118 down kaikoura, and I'm sure that the speedo was indicating 110 at the time. (Bastard cop in a grey Honda Accord mufti)

JATZ

27th September 2009, 21:11

Squiggles

27th September 2009, 21:25

After iodine stopped stinging... :lol: Did ya actually do it? XD

Woodman

27th September 2009, 21:53

bloody good report on your intimate misers there padmei.If you can't really notice any difference where do you go from here, thicker oil? longer spacers? shorter spacers?? what??

Should get mine in next weekend and am getting a bit nervous as to whether they will make a difference or not. Fitted the raising links this morning, but haven't been for a ride yet. Bike definitely sits higher and will be interesting to see what the extra progression effect has. (does)

Padmei

28th September 2009, 07:01

How accurate / inaccurate is the standard speedo?
For petes sake Pete this is an itimator report. Comeon man pull youreslf together. The future success of Ricor shocks is riding on my outcomes & yo want to know trivial things like accuracy of the speedo?

Actually I can't remember that well as I only use it to gauge speed & not the speedo. IIRC 110 on the speedo is pretty safe to cruise at ithout getting a ticket.

If you can't really notice any difference where do you go from here, thicker oil? longer spacers? shorter spacers?? what??
Fitted the raising links this morning, but haven't been for a ride yet. Bike definitely sits higher and will be interesting to see what the extra progression effect has. (does)

Not sure about where I go next. I haven't read the thread yet on KLRnet so I may have been offtrack with my testing preocedure. Raising links worry me as I find it pretty tall already however for a tall bike it sure sits low - a better spring would be the go.

Calling warewolf & Nordieboy stop listening to police scanners & get over here...

Padmei

28th September 2009, 07:03

Now instead of faffing about with it.......just ride the effing thing :scooter:

But thats not the point Jatz I want to know if these really work or if I've wasted my kids chrissy present money.

NordieBoy

28th September 2009, 15:30

Weird.
On the (mighty) DR I'm running about 45mm sag with me on it.
Grabbing the front brakes and it dosn't dive through the travel like with the stock setup.

The reduced dive should be very noticeable under brakes.

I still feel bumps but some you'll be expecting to feel significantly and it glides over them.

It seems to work with most effect on squarer edged bumps.

pete376403

28th September 2009, 16:59

Do you really get that much dive at the front when you brake? (pre intimators things) I thought my bike was pretty good for that (KLR notwithstanding). Are you a big fat bastard / standard US sized rider?
That on topic enough for ya?

marks

28th September 2009, 17:06

Are you a big fat bastard ?
That on topic enough for ya?

go on Pete - get right up 'im :yes:

you should try mine and see what you think of the difference.

Woodman

28th September 2009, 17:18

personally I have never had an issue with front end dive, in fact it can be useful for making the back lighter for when you want the back to hop out coming into a corner. i didn't get internalmunters for the dive issue but for the handling the real rough stuff issue.

BTW what does IIRC mean?

Moki

28th September 2009, 17:41

Padmei,

I think the result of having intiminators installed will become apparent when your out actually riding, rather than measuring this or that. I certainly feel a complete change to how the front-end feels and responds-especially around corners and uneven ground. Haven't had it on the gravel yet tho.

JATZ

28th September 2009, 19:22

BTW what does IIRC mean?

"If I recall corectly" ya numpty, BTW hows the scollys ?

warewolf

28th September 2009, 19:54

BTW what does IIRC mean?Google is your friend, IIRC. :whistle:

Padmei, your results do sound odd. A couple of things I'd query. Your sag measurements seem dodgy. Were the forks hanging free (wheel off the ground) when you did the measuring? Otherwise you'd only be getting the difference between static & rider sags.

With the Mitsi valve springs firming things up, you should have had much less suspension travel under brakes. You got 165-169mm with them in, but only 129-132 with them out. Something's not right there.

When I rode Nordie's intiminator-equipped KLR (S-model) it was glaringly apparent they were there and working - felt completely and utterly different to virtually all damper rod forks. Downhill braking had much, much less dive and left heaps of travel for soaking up bumps.

I would suggest a back-to-back test with Woodman before he gets his installed. Ride down from the Maungatapu summit on the Nelson side, swap bikes & repeat. Report back here. If not hugely different, I'd be inclined to think you cocked up the install... kinda unlikely... or else you got a dud pair... also kinda unlikely.

Woodman

28th September 2009, 20:12

"If I recall corectly" ya numpty, BTW hows the scollys ?

Thankyou i think. Scollys were bloody beautiful, ate a heap on Friday night and then a heap last night, and just went out to dinner with an old mate and had another plateful or 2.

Back to the topic at hand, I would be keen for Padmei to see if my non intimatemotor equipped bike seems any diff, baring in mind they are different models.

Padmei

28th September 2009, 20:13

Valid points all.

I had no real issue with brake dive before the intimators, in fact am really impressed with the KLR brakes, but was really surprised there was so much when I took the boots off & tried my experiment.
I didn't deliberately set out to try & prove whether the Ints work or not but was interested to see if there was any way of having visual or concrete proof before going for a ride to judge their perceived performance

I don't really count myself as being experienced enough to be a factory test pilot but in the hour long ride I had didn't really think they were that good. I figured the longer I ride the more I'd get used to them & was after that intial comparison straight from stock.

My thoughts for now are that I was expecting too much from them or the suspenders on Gonzo aren't really that bad to begin with :2thumbsup.

I will go for a ride next weekend & see if they feel better.

Look for the guy with white lab coat & pen protector in pocket:scooter:

NordieBoy

28th September 2009, 20:24

I feel that the harder you work them the better they go.
Whereas the stockers get further out of their depth.

As said, I'll go through some bumps on the road and be surprised how I felt each one, having expected them to disappear but you'll hit the occasional one where you're expecting to really feel it and it'll glide through it (until the back wheel hits it and really lets you know it's there).

Get the sag sorted first...

warewolf

28th September 2009, 21:28

As said, I'll go through some bumps on the road and be surprised how I felt each one, having expected them to disappearI was talking to Robert Taylor about the suspension on the Trophy, how even with the GVEs tuned I'd still get a big hit through the forks on the bigger bumps. His response: well they are big bumps, not even the finest suspension is going to make them disappear. (Horses for courses, riding the 640 around makes a lot of bumps disappear vs any road-only bike.)

but you'll hit the occasional one where you're expecting to really feel it and it'll glide through it (until the back wheel hits it and really lets you know it's there).You talking about the XR again? :D

NordieBoy

28th September 2009, 21:35

You talking about the XR again? :D

Not quite to that extent :D

Padmei

29th September 2009, 06:54

Padmei, your results do sound odd. A couple of things I'd query. Your sag measurements seem dodgy. Were the forks hanging free (wheel off the ground) when you did the measuring? Otherwise you'd only be getting the difference between static & rider sags.
.

Ooooops:Oops:

marks

29th September 2009, 07:06

Ooooops:Oops:

some people should not be allowed out in public with a packet of cable ties...

warewolf

29th September 2009, 19:33

some people should not be allowed out in public with a packet of cable ties...'specially if they are sparkies...

NordieBoy

29th September 2009, 20:21

Cable ties, bluetac, hotglue, wd-40, duck tape.

All a man needs to fix anything...

JATZ

29th September 2009, 20:30

I was talking to Robert Taylor about the suspension on the Trophy, how even with the GVEs tuned I'd still get a big hit through the forks on the bigger bumps. His response: well they are big bumps, not even the finest suspension is going to make them disappear. :D

Been wondering whether one of those "steering damper" thingamy wotsits would make much difference, specialy on mid corner corrugations, when it gets a bit of a wobble on.
Managed to make MrsJatz go :gob: on a couple of occasions last w/end, I'm really starting to like Queen Charlotte drive

Edit: sorry bit of topic, just realized where I was posting..........KLR, blah blah, intimators, blah blah blah DR's, suck blah blah:whistle:

warewolf

29th September 2009, 21:26

Cable ties, bluetac, hotglue, wd-40, duck tape.

All a man needs to fix anything...Wot's the cable ties, bluetac & hotglue for?!

I've heard it said, you only need two things:

WD-40 for things that are stuck and should be moving
Duct tape for things that are moving and should be stuck

:lol:

warewolf

29th September 2009, 21:34

Been wondering whether one of those "steering damper" thingamy wotsits would make much difference, specialy on mid corner corrugations, when it gets a bit of a wobble on.Possibly, but it will definitely mask the real problem. The wobble is only a recent thing, they should be uber-stable.

Most likely something in the suspension is worn and allowing an oscillation to develop. Steering head bearings - tension, worn? Swingarm bearings - worn? Shock mount bearings - worn? The fork & shock internals are good, the forks only just had a bushing & seal kit fitted, and the shock was serviced about 5k before you got hold of it.

NordieBoy

30th September 2009, 06:34

Got a road bike adjustable damper here that's going unused.

Won't fit on a KLR or DR without a lot of work...

Padmei

30th September 2009, 06:57

Possibly, but it will definitely mask the real problem. The wobble is only a recent thing, they should be uber-stable.

Most likely something in the suspension is worn and allowing an oscillation to develop. Steering head bearings - tension, worn? Swingarm bearings - worn? Shock mount bearings - worn? The fork & shock internals are good, the forks only just had a bushing & seal kit fitted, and the shock was serviced about 5k before you got hold of it.

Cmon Jatz take the Tumpy off the road as well. We'll all be a lot safer then:girlfight:

JATZ

30th September 2009, 16:36

Got a road bike adjustable damper here that's going unused.

Won't fit on a KLR or DR without a lot of work...

Hmmmmm, probly won't fit the Trumpy without a bit of work either :weep:

Possibly, but it will definitely mask the real problem. The wobble is only a recent thing, they should be uber-stable.

Most likely something in the suspension is worn and allowing an oscillation to develop. Steering head bearings - tension, worn? Swingarm bearings - worn? Shock mount bearings - worn? The fork & shock internals are good, the forks only just had a bushing & seal kit fitted, and the shock was serviced about 5k before you got hold of it.

Perhaps I should re-phrase that........
Been thinking about a steering damper to reduce some of the feedback on mid corner corugations, suspension is working just fine, no "wobblyness" at all.

Actually Padmie if they made knobblys in a 180/55 I might consider it :whistle:

NordieBoy

30th September 2009, 19:29

Hmmmmm, probly won't fit the Trumpy without a bit of work either :weep:

It's a "Daytona" so it'd feel at home on a Trumpy...

Woodman

1st October 2009, 17:31

Put my Intimatemunters in this arvo. One of the forks had way less oil than the other with no sign of a leak but apparently this is not unusual. They are very easy to install, but the hardest part was getting the oil level right but got there eventually with a bit of number 8 wire technology.

Just went for a hoon round the neighbourhood and it definitely feels different with a sort of a 2 stage action when the front brakes are applied. Will do further testing on the weekend and report back promptly.
How are yours padmei? have you done any more?

Padmei

1st October 2009, 20:19

How are yours padmei? have you done any more?

Not yet. I will go for a ride in the weekend & love them:hug:

NordieBoy

2nd October 2009, 06:54

Not yet. I will go for a ride in the weekend & love them:hug:

There's a laidback on the 11th over in Tuamarina...

I may put some knobs on and ride the DR over...

Padmei

2nd October 2009, 07:04

There's a laidback on the 11th over in Tuamarina...

I may put some knobs on and ride the DR over...

Rats going to Tata Beach that weekend. I would have liked it tho...

Any more this spring/ summer?

NordieBoy

2nd October 2009, 09:08

Rats going to Tata Beach that weekend. I would have liked it tho...

Any more this spring/ summer?

There will be more...

Moki

2nd October 2009, 09:13

Put my Intimatemunters in this arvo...but the hardest part was getting the oil level right

I opted for simply draining the red slimey stuff out overnight then metered the amount in each fork per specs. Did you try to do the 'depth gauge' method trying to find 170mm as per instructions?

cooneyr

2nd October 2009, 12:38

I opted for simply draining the red slimey stuff out overnight then metered the amount in each fork per specs. Did you try to do the 'depth gauge' method trying to find 170mm as per instructions?

The depth gauge thing is easy as with a syringe and a bit of tube. Measure the distance up from the tip of the tube and mark it, hold that level with the top of the fork and suck out the excess oil. You just need to find a friendly nurse - oh er:doctor::msn-wink:

Cheers R

Moki

2nd October 2009, 18:42

Padmei

2nd October 2009, 19:40

The depth gauge thing is easy as with a syringe and a bit of tube. Measure the distance up from the tip of the tube and mark it, hold that level with the top of the fork and suck out the excess oil. You just need to find a friendly nurse - oh er:doctor::msn-wink:

Cheers R

How the hell do you mark the tube? I used a straw instead of a syringe.

WAit do you mean you mark the tube to the correct height then put it into the fork with syringe attached? Sounds like a good idea.

Went & remeasured my forks.
Measured 263mm from bottom of fork clamp to top of bottom sleeve thing.

Static (?) sag - bike weight only 64mm. (199mm overall measurement)

It made no difference with me on it The measurement was the same.

DOes this sound too little sag to you guys? I'm about to do some research on the KLR thread.

NordieBoy

2nd October 2009, 20:10

The net says 200mm total travel.

So....
64mm static = 32% !!!

Something is weird here.

Should be more like 30mm static (15%), 60mm race (with you on it).

Padmei

2nd October 2009, 20:21

Read one thread that says 25% for front & 30% rear. Went for another ride down the potholed driveway & still think there's not much different. I'll take them out tomm & redo the procedure tho I think I did it correctly.

cooneyr

2nd October 2009, 20:24

How the hell do you mark the tube? ...

A vivid???

WAit do you mean you mark the tube to the correct height then put it into the fork with syringe attached? Sounds like a good idea.

Thats the one

...Static (?) sag - bike weight only 64mm. (199mm overall measurement)

It made no difference with me on it The measurement was the same....

Something definitely wrong if the sag is the same with not on and with you on. spring length = -spring coefficient x load, so more load will always give shorter length till the spring binds.

Cheers R

Padmei

2nd October 2009, 20:25

Fcuking things - wheres those Mitsi valve springs:argh:

Woodman

2nd October 2009, 20:29

I opted for simply draining the red slimey stuff out overnight then metered the amount in each fork per specs. Did you try to do the 'depth gauge' method trying to find 170mm as per instructions?

Took the forks out and drained them then used a bit of maked copper tube and just lowered it in till i could see the surface tension break in the sunlight. It did work cos i checked it lots and lots and got the same result.

Was thinkin about sag etc today at work and am wondering if the benelli valve springs I had in there before gave it too little sag therefore the front wheel would not fall into holes. It sorta could explain the times the front has just gone out from under me more than a few times.

Just thinkin

NordieBoy

2nd October 2009, 20:30

warewolf

2nd October 2009, 22:15

How the hell do you mark the tube? I used a straw instead of a syringe. Did you get any in your mouth? :pinch:

WAit do you mean you mark the tube to the correct height then put it into the fork with syringe attached?Put a cable tie on the tube at the correct length, makes it easy to hold against the top edge of the fork tube. Suck away! Effortless. Use a turkey baster from the $2 shop, just don't forget to wash it before you put it back in the kitchen drawer.

Something definitely wrong if the sag is the same with not on and with you on. spring length = -spring coefficient x load, so more load will always give shorter length till the spring binds.Stiction?

Woodman

3rd October 2009, 08:03

[QUOTE=warewolf

Stiction?[/QUOTE]

he needs to bounce up and down on it a few times prior to measuring the sag.
been doing some research 25% front 30% rear and 10% static seems to be the go for pre 08. Apparently the 08s don't run much sag from standard.
Gonna check mine today .

Woodman

3rd October 2009, 18:11

Well , checked the sag today, the front was not enough sag and the back got there eventually with some adjustments (sort of).

Then went for a hoon round the ben nevis loop in the rain and honestly and sorry padmei :angry:but the bike has been transformed. The front just stays planted and no longer slides all over the show, pot holes can be ridden over at speed and the back with the raising links and more damping dialled in soaks up the bumps and handles the big hits.(cool)
Even notice the difference on the road, although with the slower dive the brakes don't appear as effective but they are.

The itinerantminties and the raising links were money very well spent and I cannot believe the improvement. :wari: fcuken oarsum.

Padmei

3rd October 2009, 18:17

Woodman

3rd October 2009, 18:24

Great news Woodster.
I managed to wangle a little time off so went over the whangas & out to Hori Bay. Fcuk the whangas are cool! Still I didn't feel any difference really apart from the front seemed higher.

Called into see Nordie & had a chat about them. I would like to ride yours & compare them. In the meantime I'll drain the forks & redo the installation & if nothing happens I'll try with the original spacers.

Seems odd to me, must be something obvious surely, unless it was handling pretty good anyway so there is no noticeable differencee, and mine was handling like a sack of shit so anything is an improvement. BTW the Benelli valve springs were not put in and won't be now.

keen as to let you have a go as a comparo, it would be interesting to see wot yours is like, that and have never ridden an 08.

Padmei

3rd October 2009, 18:28

check this out
http://www.boano.com/foto.asp?prd=441

From this thread. Awesome!

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=511129

Woodman

3rd October 2009, 18:42

pretty cool aye, wouldn't mind one of the euro calipers, cos my front brakes are crap really. Oh god I can feel another farkle coming on.

NordieBoy

3rd October 2009, 22:08

Seems odd to me, must be something obvious surely, unless it was handling pretty good anyway so there is no noticeable differencee, and mine was handling like a sack of shit so anything is an improvement. BTW the Benelli valve springs were not put in and won't be now.

keen as to let you have a go as a comparo, it would be interesting to see wot yours is like, that and have never ridden an 08.

Padmei has quite a bit of static sag - more than I'd want for race sag. Slogged springs?
Lots of brake dive too...
May come a bit more right with the right sag.

pete376403

3rd October 2009, 22:55

pretty cool aye, wouldn't mind one of the euro calipers, cos my front brakes are crap really. Oh god I can feel another farkle coming on.
You dont need any euro-flash - go to the wreckers and find a twin spot caliper of a GSXR or something. The 08 calipers are the same as the Yamaha Super Tenere (same pads, anyway)

Padmei

4th October 2009, 06:37

Pete checked the gps vs speedo yesterday.

100k gps is 106-7k on speedo

100speedo is 93k on gps

JATZ

4th October 2009, 09:33

Pete checked the gps vs speedo yesterday.

100k gps is 106-7k on speedo

100speedo is 93k on gps

But is your GPS accurate ? :shutup:

NordieBoy

4th October 2009, 10:46

But is your GPS accurate ? :shutup:

Not according to his speedo :shutup:

Padmei

4th October 2009, 15:52

But is your GPS accurate ? :shutup:

Ahhh but my friend what is accurate?:blink:

what is normal?

Why in the age of GE do watermelon still have pips?

RedKLR650

4th October 2009, 21:18

check this out
http://www.boano.com/foto.asp?prd=441

From this thread. Awesome!

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=511129

Hi all,

I think if people do the research, that's a Euro KLX-R ( they call them a KLR ) :Oops:

Same situation the guy on the African Odessey faced when trying to source KLR parts. He couldn't figure out why nothing seemed to fit, turns out that although it said KLR on the tank, it was what we call a KLX

( Note the frame with WELDED rear footpeg mounts - bolted on rear pegs on a KLR - but welded on the KLX 650 here in NZ )

For what it's worth...... :whocares:

Stu :scooter:

RedKLR650

4th October 2009, 21:27

But VERY relevant to KLR bashers.......

I'm just watching the 1995 movie 'HACKERS' and a Angelina Jolie jumps on the back of a guys bike and rides off into the darkness :crybaby:

I'm fairly sure it was a KLR650 :whistle:

Enough said :rockon:

warewolf

5th October 2009, 18:43

I think if people do the research, that's a Euro KLX-R ( they call them a KLR ) :Oops:Ooh! Ooh! A KLR anorak! :sick:

:D :D

I'm just watching the 1995 movie 'HACKERS' and a Angelina Jolie jumps on the back of a guys bike and rides off into the darkness :crybaby:

I'm fairly sure it was a KLR650 :whistle:Somehow I still prefer Trinity making her getaway on the Speed Triple. A chick that rides will always out-do a chick that pillions. :scooter:

Padmei

5th October 2009, 19:23

Yeah WW but you'd be amazed how many leatherclad chicks want to jump on the back of a KLR as it's cruising along. Happens to us all the time. They're just one big afrodisiac.:innocent:

Box'a'bits

5th October 2009, 19:34

Yeah WW but you'd be amazed how many leatherclad chicks want to jump on the back of a KLR as it's cruising along. Happens to us all the time. They're just one big afrodisiac.:innocent:

That'd be none of the cute ones then, and quite a few of the butch ones with da chains, multiple piercings & facial hair....:blink:

Woodman

5th October 2009, 19:38

I know padmei, I know its really a curse. maybe we could send a few of them there way( DR riders excluded obviously) so we can spend some time riding.

NordieBoy

5th October 2009, 20:07

A chick that rides will always out-do a chick that pillions. :scooter:

Lara Croft - CCM644 :D

NordieBoy

5th October 2009, 20:08

Padmei

5th October 2009, 20:08

Sigh... Woodman what can we do?....We're merely men with stunningly good looks... Some times it would be nice just to ride ride ride...

warewolf

5th October 2009, 21:49

That'd be none of the cute ones then, and quite a few of the butch ones with da chains, multiple piercings & facial hair....:blink:Hey! You leave my mother out of this :bash:

'sfunny, some years ago I did some - ahem - riding with a gay & lesbian m/c club. The "ladies" were all pretty rugged, but the gents just seemed like normal sprotsbikers - and were scared of the "ladies".

Lara Croft - CCM644 :DShe's the one I was thinking of but couldn't quite identify :yes:

Box'a'bits

6th October 2009, 18:34

Hey! You leave my mother out of this :bash:

'sfunny, some years ago I did some - ahem - riding with a gay & lesbian m/c club. The "ladies" were all pretty rugged, but the gents just seemed like normal sprotsbikers - and were scared of the "ladies".

If we're talking the same club, then the rallies that club ran were always a hoot, and I looked forward to them. The members were an interesting mix. Including one memorable transgender. As a guy, you were either totally relegated to the irrelevant (by the lesbians) or they were all over you, 'cause all they really wanted was a man'. (Ehem...I won the cuddliest butt award in one rally :Oops: - a crowning moment...). I'm pleased to advise that I excelled in the handbag toss, but wasn't the biggest tosser there.

I always brought Mandy with me to hide behind....Anyway, enough of a thread hijack...

warewolf

6th October 2009, 19:53

If we're talking the same clubProlly not... Sydney Roadrunners (http://www.sydneyroadrunners.com/).

A gay workmate & learner biker wanted me to accompany him as he didn't know what to expect riding in a group. After a few stops/chinwags I had to point out to him that ppl thought we were a couple... which didn't worry me but wasn't helping his chances.:lol: They were pretty keen riders and good company (at least the gays were) so we rode with them a fair bit. Never seen such a high percentage of V-Max's in any other group! :)

Padmei

7th October 2009, 06:51

Or DRs?

:shutup:

Woodman

7th October 2009, 18:02

Or DRs?

:shutup:

hhhhhmmmmmmfffffffff.

Woodman

17th October 2009, 14:47

raining today and I'm bored.

Turned my snorkel upside down before. should be able to go through deeper rivers now.

Told you i was bored.

Padmei

17th October 2009, 14:54

raining today and I'm bored.

Turned my snorkel upside down before. should be able to go through deeper rivers now.

Told you i was bored.

hahahhahhaahhaahahhahahhhahaaahahah

I went for a mtbike in the rain & got real muddy.Thought of taking gonzo out but am all warm & cozy now.

Woodman

17th October 2009, 14:58

hahahhahhaahhaahahhahahhhahaaahahah

I went for a mtbike in the rain & got real muddy.Thought of taking gonzo out but am all warm & cozy now.

yea I contemplated going for a mudplug but noticed that my battery had lost the bulk of its water (probly from last sunday when we were upside down) so it is on charge now.

Did you not go to the bach?

Padmei

17th October 2009, 17:14

Next weekend but I may have to go to Westport to finish a job off:(

NordieBoy

18th October 2009, 15:12

Just been thinking about Padmei's Intiminator issues.

The complete lack of "Intiminatorness" could happen if he was sent some 39mm ones instead of 41mm...

Then it'd actually feel softer than stock because of the thinner oil...

Woodman

18th October 2009, 15:54

Padmei

19th October 2009, 07:03

The packet says for 08+ so I guess it was the rigt one. I drained the forks & put it all back in as per instructions etc.
After my ride yesterday "I think" they are working but arent really worried anymore - the bike handles fine but will be a bit more wary of buying stuff for it.

I think the way to get my bike handling better is for me to get more experienced - more riding time:2thumbsup

As the man says the best thing you can spend money on for your bike is gas.

marks

19th October 2009, 07:10

The packet says for 08+ so I guess it was the rigt one. I drained the forks & put it all back in as per instructions etc.
After my ride yesterday "I think" they are working but arent really worried anymore - the bike handles fine but will be a bit more wary of buying stuff for it.

As the man says the best thing you can spend money on for your bike is gas.

something aint right.

my bike was completely different after doing the forks. there is no way you could be unaware of the change - something is wrong. What the packet says and what the packet contains may not be the same.

NordieBoy

19th October 2009, 08:44

Moki

19th October 2009, 20:17

Should be quite firm sliding these in. If the worng size they would have just dropped in.

Woodman

20th October 2009, 17:16

Should be quite firm sliding these in. If the worng size they would have just dropped in.

Dunno bout that, mine slipped in quite loosely, and mine is an o5 so musta been the right ones .

padmei, maybe you will notice the difference in the long term, and you are right about time in the saddle, it is the best thing you can do.

we will have to do a swaparoo on some rough stuff one day soon to do a comparo between pre 08 and 08 etc, i don't think the wee ride the other day woulda told you much really.

warewolf

20th October 2009, 22:58

Downhill braking bumps, even going off a gutter, should dramatically show the difference to a stocker.

Woodman

21st October 2009, 19:42

Downhill braking bumps, even going off a gutter, should dramatically show the difference to a stocker.

Big time......

Padmei

21st October 2009, 19:59

Woodman

21st October 2009, 20:44

Woodman have you had a look how to shift the pegs back? Looks like not an easy job - the bracket has nasty little bend that brings it out - might be hard to make. Might even have to get a pro to look at that - nup bugger that I'll have a go

What could possibly go wrong...

Yes I have spent many an hour staring at the footpegs and devising a way of setting them back an inch or so, and have not come up with anything concrete yet, except that it would be a good idea.

I am not that confident in actually completing the job considering I have spent the last 11 years on making rear-sets for the Benelli, and still haven't really got anywhere.

BBTW this was my thousandth post. Maybe I should spend more time thinking about footpeg positioning.

Padmei

22nd October 2009, 06:29

Congrats Woodman on your thousandth post.

Youll probably find the traffic pulls off the road today to let you through, a checkout operator will open up a checkout in front of you as you walk towards the long lines at the supermarket & that nice woman in the bakery you chat to every day will flash her Bristols at you as she hands over your mince & cheese pie.

marks

22nd October 2009, 07:10

that nice woman in the bakery you chat to every day will flash her Bristols at you as she hands over your mince & cheese pie.

wtf?

http://www.bristolcars.co.uk/pics/iconGallery3.jpg (http://www.bristolcars.co.uk/gallery3.htm)

Eddieb

22nd October 2009, 08:26

wtf?

http://www.bristolcars.co.uk/pics/iconGallery3.jpg (http://www.bristolcars.co.uk/gallery3.htm)

I think you have the wrong Bristols there Mark, try searching on rhyming slang.

http://www.definition-of.com/bristols

Woodman

22nd October 2009, 20:28

Padmei

22nd October 2009, 20:31

If you get any better you'd be more enlightened than Buddha

Woodman

22nd October 2009, 20:34

If you get any better you'd be more enlightened than Buddha

You calling me fat ??????

marks

23rd October 2009, 07:34

I think you have the wrong Bristols there Mark, try searching on rhyming slang.

http://www.definition-of.com/bristols

I grew up on a steady diet of "Carry On" movies where bristols were a main focus

<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/lFGWrL5FJ9Q&hl=en&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/lFGWrL5FJ9Q&hl=en&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

it didn't seem so corny back then.... :no:

K slider

23rd October 2009, 12:06

BRT have done a peg bracket shift of 26mm backward.

Eddieb

28th October 2009, 18:13

You don't see mnay of these ones around

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dual-purpose/auction-249939170.htm

Moki

28th October 2009, 19:19

You don't see mnay of these ones around

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dual-purpose/auction-249939170.htm

Yeah, I used to have a '91 Tengai. Brilliant bike. Sold it on at 160k kms to part fund the '08. Not a fan of the colour scheme with this one, but with the low kms and great overall condition, she should serve well for many years to come.

Padmei

28th October 2009, 19:33

BRT have done a peg bracket shift of 26mm backward.

Who? COuld you please supply a bit more info, I couldn't find it on the goooglemachine.
cheers

Padmei

7th December 2009, 21:23

Found this quite interesting thread of a KLR engine stripdown.
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=525199

Padmei

15th December 2009, 19:32

Marks how did the new AIS shock go? Transform it to a KTM?

marks

15th December 2009, 20:36

Marks how did the new AIS shock go? Transform it to a KTM?

Its lost the armchair ride and I don't know if it is any real help on road but on rougher tracks its much more controlled. The track into Sutherlands hut is pretty lumpy and I was definitely able to worry less about riding around obstacles - it no longer feels crude. I think the $1200 I have spent on suspension (both ends) was a good investment

I'm now very happy with the bike and I'm glad its not a ktm. I rarely use 40hp so what would I do with 100hp other than crash spectacularly - my skill is still (and probably always will be) my limiting factor - not my bike

Woodman

15th December 2009, 20:38

I'm now very happy with the bike and I'm glad its not a ktm. I rarely use 40hp so what would I do with 100hp other than crash spectacularly - my skill is still (and probably always will be) my limiting factor - not my bike

coulda written that myself.

Eddieb

15th December 2009, 21:04

my skill is still (and probably always will be) crashing whenever a camera is near

Fixed......

junkmanjoe

15th December 2009, 21:09

I wish i had a ktm. I rarely use 40hp so what would I do with 100hp other than crash spectacularly - WHEN OTHER PEOPLE ARE WATCHING, (and probably always will be) my limiting factor - not my bike

There thats better...:yes:
its ok mark we will help you become a better rider...
it will come to you one day..:yes:

JMJ

Padmei

16th December 2009, 07:05

Well I have to disagree with you Mark & Woodman about your riding. I can see one of them in your future very soon.

I know what you mean about horse power tho. I def don't need any more.

I think I've finally got the intimators working on Gonzo. I took everything apart, put one in a fork & had a fork without one in & tryed it by pushing on it & releasing it. The difference was apparent tho not as much as I anticipated. I could hear the 'click'.
Going for a ride in the forest I gave the suspension hell & yep no bottoming out & the front did seem to stay on the rocks better. They may have been working all along but now at least I'm sure they're working.

I don't think I'll spring for the rear tho. I'm not intending to race the thing... yet...

Anyway I'm off to do a job at French Pass. I was excited that I could take my bike down until the bloody plumber talked me into taking a 20kg box of solar tubes with me so I'm stuck in a cage for 4 hours today:crybaby:

Woodman

16th December 2009, 20:27

We will have to agree to disagree on that one padmei. Don't get me wrong a 950 would be cool, but I just couldn't afford to keep one in good nick.

Woodman

26th December 2009, 21:11

Check this out, Truly inspirational.

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=473905

Padmei

27th December 2009, 07:37

Mawte that was very cool. I'm wanting to take mine out on a laidback & see how it goes (would have to buy some cheap knobs tho) I'll be doing some situps to get the abs ready for the lifting:msn-wink:

Padmei

27th December 2009, 13:15

Spending a bit of family time here in Blenheim before our trip thru Molesworth etc tomm. I arrived over here via bouncing over the Maunga (squashed my banana in the backpack), scraping the pegs around the Queen Charlotte & driving thru a forest fire & dust storm around the Port Underwood Road.

The riding has been absolutely fantastic. i caught up with Woody2 (Daz) yesterday & we went to the family bach around Port underwood again to get another coating of dust over ourselves.

I have to say without reservation the KLR has been excellent. having the back pack weighting the rear down really kept it stable & took a while to ride without it as the rear would realy like to spin out of the marbly corners.
On the road it handled beautifully smoothly & on the gravel apart from the odd front wallow around the sharp corners it was extremely predictable.

I have always been on the backfoot defending my decision getting Gonzo in the first place but so far on this trip it cannot be faulted.

I'm one happy camper:clap:

marks

27th December 2009, 15:51

I'm one happy camper:clap:

a man of discernment

veny

30th December 2009, 09:51

How was Gonzo on the big trip?

Some backfooting here too.
I know the KLR has potential. Allot more than me. lol
But man it's a heavy beast with a full tank.
I came around a LH corner a few weeks ago in Lees Valley and a >100kph? NW gust blew me straight over into the ditch.
Plenty of protective clothing, but still managed a bruised toe through the boot. It got hooked under the gear lever. Ouch.
A few scratches on the bike and a small kink in the radiator. Yep. That radiator was all the incentive needed to swap cash for crash bars.
Kicked myself good and hard for riding gravel without them. :bash:

Also fitted some lever protectors. The lever survived as I have them quite loose, but the added protection is good.

Next? New tyres, bash plate and possibly a headlight protector from flying stones. That rear brake hose?
Then onto some luggage...

Not fazed. Only a slight wobble on the back foot.
Or is that black foot? lol. No, the big toe is much better now :)

We're looking forward to a Gonzo RR...

Padmei

30th December 2009, 10:08

Hey Veny
just did a quick RR of the trip over to blenny. Will do one of the Molesworth tonite. Didn't take many pics tho.

You'll probably find, as I did, that the engine vibe is increased with the crashbars on.
The first thing I bought was a headlite protector - in fact the salesman just said when i bought the bike - you're gonna get one even if you don't want one!! They charged me of course but it was because the replacement headlite is silly money.

A ali bash plate would be a good thing too as I broke mine over a couple of good sized rocks.

As for luggage I wouldn't recommend a Ventura Back pack as the rack bent, & broke with bugger all weight & all the zips have their tags broken off. I know a lot of people rave about them but another KLR owner has had his rack bend too. We ended up welding support brackets onto them. I'd go for some saddle bags next time (might even get some made like Undergrounds cool retro ones)

I'm not worried about that rear hose as it has never yet got caught up on anything & I don't seem to use the back much anyway.

The only thing I think I'll buy for Gonzo is a throttle lock thing so I can take my hand off and give it a rest now & then.

Hope your foot gets better & F**k yes when the big behemoth wants to overbalance just get out of the way!!!! :eek5:

veny

30th December 2009, 11:36

RR is looking good.
I'm in, as they say :)

Fantastic scenery in the Malborough. You're all so lucky living up there!

Veny needs to get to blenny. lol
I put together a guitar amp for my brother once. He called it "The Veny" and the name stuck.
Thanks bro...

The bars do make the bike buzz more with higher rpm.
Let's call it a feature. An incentive to keep the speed down.
Plus there's the bonus of no longer needing to throw oneself in between the ground and bike. lol

Saddle bags would be great. They would keep the weight down lower.
Then a small tent and sleeping bag up top might be Ok.

Starting to day dream now...

Woodman

30th December 2009, 22:16

Padmei you have thrown my packing for the db1k into dissaray. My klr (haven't named it yet) has a ventura packrack but I never used it yet and was gonna but now I'm not too sure.

Veny they are a pig with a full tank, try not to fill it unless its necessary or you are gonna use the gas getting to the good stuff. Mine has a 26 litre tank and thats even worserer when its full.

Howie

30th December 2009, 23:53

Padmei you have thrown my packing for the db1k into dissaray. My klr (haven't named it yet) has a ventura packrack but I never used it yet and was gonna but now I'm not too sure.

Hi woodman, I have a ventura packrack on my KLR, same design bike as yours, and have had no problems with it, it has been out to French pass, over the Porika, and Braburn fully loaded with 5 days gear, as well as various long weekend trips through the North island between Auckland, and Wellington.
I would be interested in if it is the mounting brackets on the 08+ KLR's that are bending or the pack frame itself.

Cheers

Paul

Padmei

31st December 2009, 06:19

The two 08's the back pack racks were on the hockey stick bend thing just started bending backwards. We welded supports to stop it bending.
Actually sorry that's wrong. The complete assembly frame broke under the bike twice as well rendering the whole thing f**ked. I ended up making up a big heavy arsed flat bar bracket to carry the thing which involved drilling & tapping proper sized screws, grinding down the screw wells on the luggage tray and other crap.

The other thing to happen to mine as well as the zip tabs breaking off & one side zip rooting itself, was the cute little attachment screws with locking ring vibrated off on the last DB & the pack swung out sideways. Luckily Balrog was behind me with a loud horn.

Now ventura have been around for a while & I'm the only one unhappy with their product that I know of, so don't worry too much, mine must have been a bad day jobbie. I still use it with a few cableties & stuff & it is functional but would be wary of recommending them myself.
Give it a ride around Sharlands & see what happens.

NordieBoy

31st December 2009, 07:17

I think the safest way with the Ventura racks is having the pack resting on the seat and not hanging out the back. Topo mangled his one too.

marks

31st December 2009, 07:20

I don't think they are up to long term adventure use. the one I had on my xt660 slowly self destructed over a period of 6 months or so - just wobbling back and forwards on its mounts while the mount screws ate there way through the detachable bit.

ventura racks encourage you to pack vertically which is never a good thing

my klr handles noticeably better (less tail wagging dog) with nothing on the rack and everything in the soft panniers.

Padmei

31st December 2009, 07:24

Howie

31st December 2009, 08:45

I think the safest way with the Ventura racks is having the pack resting on the seat and not hanging out the back. Topo mangled his one too.

Yep totally agree that facing the Bag forward onto the seat is better than it hanging miles off the back, Both for support of the bag, and handling of your bike.

ventura racks encourage you to pack vertically which is never a good thing

I agree with you about that mark, it just makes it even more top heavy.

What kind of panniers you use? Got a good pic? Do they get in the way? The ggod thing about the ventura is yu hardly noticethey're there.

I just brought some Oxford first time soft Panniers. http://www.bikechatter.co.uk/luggage/1008-oxford-first-time-panniers-review.html I should be down in the shed working out how to protect them from the exhaust at the moment. The only problem I see with them on the older model KLR's is that those hand,grabs on the rear rack seem to get in the way of mounting them easily. I'm sure I'll come up with an answer to that though.

warewolf

31st December 2009, 08:50

The two 08's the back pack racks were on the hockey stick bend thing just started bending backwards.
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The other thing to happen to mine as well as the zip tabs breaking off & one side zip rooting itself, was the cute little attachment screws with locking ring vibrated off on the last DB & the pack swung out sideways. Luckily Balrog was behind me with a loud horn.

Now ventura have been around for a while & I'm the only one unhappy with their product that I know of,Nope, this is a well-known fault with them. The curved supports are the antithesis of a strong triangulated design. I've had them get out of shape on 3 of 4 bikes I've had them on: the 3 that were used to carry more than just lunch.

The Aussie GearSack product is a heckuva lot more robust, both racks and bags. The racks are made from un-sexy square section tubing, and are more substantial than the sexy curved round tubing of Ventura. Haven't heard of trivial failures with them, although like everything they've failed in severe use.

The GearSack bags had a reputation as being the only product on the market that was a) properly waterproof and b) dustproof suitable for extended outback touring. I've still got a gearsack bag - they last 10+ years even with daily use - and as such have never bought a Ventura bag. This one replaced the last one, even though I was using Ventura racks. Partly because the ventura bags seem too small; needed to carry a laptop bag to work!!

Woodman

31st December 2009, 18:13

I will just rest the heavy stuff on the seat, and use a backpack. I quite like a backpack as it tends to pull my shoulders back which is good for keeping the back straight.

pete376403

31st December 2009, 21:37

What kind of panniers you use? Got a good pic? Do they get in the way? The ggod thing about the ventura is yu hardly noticethey're there.
Cheap hard panniers using "Craftech" cases from Bunnings ($99 each) hanging off a 1/2" square tube frame. They have survived a couple of low speed drops without any damage at all and may have protected the rest of the bike.
The cheap-ass top box self destructed and has been replaced with an Oxford expandable fabric bag - also $99.
Pic taken above the Wanganui river on the Jerusalem road)

Padmei

31st December 2009, 22:15

I think the safest way with the Ventura racks is having the pack resting on the seat and not hanging out the back. Topo mangled his one too.

The ventura bag that came with the racks as a package does'nt rest on the seat. It just hangs & swings like a pendulum. The bend didn't just unbend as you would expect, it actually dropped down as well due to the fastening point being too far forward.

GPS MAN

1st January 2010, 10:09

I agree 100%...my Venture rack on my '09 swings like drunk fat lady...UGH..
This can't last much longer.....will face it forward for longevity.....

:argh:

GPS MAN

1st January 2010, 11:16

Padmei

1st January 2010, 12:29

Cheap hard panniers using "Craftech" cases from Bunnings ($99 each) hanging off a 1/2" square tube frame. They have survived a couple of low speed drops without any damage at all and may have protected the rest of the bike.
The cheap-ass top box self destructed and has been replaced with an Oxford expandable fabric bag - also $99.
Pic taken above the Wanganui river on the Jerusalem road)

They look good Pete. Got any pics of the racks without the cases on.
I'm not too worried about luggage as I don't really plan on doing any long trips until next year I think. I just take tie downs with me in case the whole thing craps itself.

Fyi..just did the Doo Hickey on my 2009 KLR....much sweeter sounding motor..

Should anyone need to do the doo around Hawkes Bay I would be willing to offer help and tools...............fyi.......:cool:

good stuff GPS (if that is your real name) Mine was alot quietererer after I got mine done. How many k's you done?
Reread thru the whole thread last nite (new years eve I know - that's how sad I am!!) & some interesting things have been discussed here. I still haven't checked my bloody valves but don't like the idea of having the bike off the road for a couple of days:baby::baby:

Woodman

1st January 2010, 19:59

still haven't done my doo. I have one but haven't fitted it. Bikes not noisy though.

padmei, checking your valves is only really a 2 hour job. The hardest part is figuring out a way to get the rockercover out. Maybe we need a shed night to do it.

warewolf

1st January 2010, 20:27

I think a shed night is long overdue... time for a post-xmas madness night of tinkering? bbq as well?

JATZ

1st January 2010, 20:32

I think a shed night is long overdue... time for a post-xmas madness night of tinkering? bbq as well?

After a ride too p'raps, havn't been for a ride wiv you lot for aaaaages :scooter:

just remembered though :doh: valves must be dead cold for best measurement IIRC

pete376403

1st January 2010, 20:44

padmei, checking your valves is only really a 2 hour job. The hardest part is figuring out a way to get the rockercover out. Maybe we need a shed night to do it.

Dunno if the 08 -> cam cover is different to the earlier ones, but I couldn't get the cover off until I removed (Dremelled) about 5mm off the mounting post for the air injection pipe.
Apparently BMK K bike shims are the same diameter and cheaper (!?) than KLR ones.

pete376403

1st January 2010, 20:45

Fyi..just did the Doo Hickey on my 2009 KLR....much sweeter sounding motor..

Should anyone need to do the doo around Hawkes Bay I would be willing to offer help and tools...............fyi.......:cool:

Did you change it for an Eagle Mike part? Torsion spring or coil spring? Was there any noticeable wear in the original? And what Kms has your bike done?