Street Stock 250cc 4-stroke twins

[ducatilover]

like the new R1's?

Nooooo they are yummy and actually move :whistle:

[puddytat]

When you say Street Stock... does that mean no mods to the bike at all? Not even a noisy zorst? :confused:

The rules for the class are almost ready to be finalised as I understand...
Youll be allowed another exhaust,Airbox & filter to be standard,only fork oil & level of oil at this stage, maybe springs, standard rear shock though spring may be changed,jetting & carby slides also,motor will have to be OEM,sounds like you can change bars, add crashbungs etc, no traction control:crybaby:
They want it as close to OEM really, with obvoius exceptions like brake pads & lines,removing passenger pegs, lights etc
Dont quote me on all of this, the proposed rules are on Motorcling NZ
www.mnz.co.nz

[ducatilover]

The rules for the class are almost ready to be finalised as I understand...
Youll be allowed another exhaust,Airbox & filter to be standard,only fork oil & level of oil at this stage, maybe springs, standard rear shock though spring may be changed,jetting & carby slides also,motor will have to be OEM,sounds like you can change bars, add crashbungs etc, no traction control:crybaby:
They want it as close to OEM really, with obvoius exceptions like brake pads & lines,removing passenger pegs, lights etc
Dont quote me on all of this, the proposed rules are on Motorcling NZ
www.mnz.co.nz

Mint, 5 thou oversize jets, space the carb needles .5mm, pilot screws 3 turns out should do it after you have a different can on the back, airbox and filter are already top notch and you will only loose power that way on the spada. cbr250r mc19 front srpings, preload at max on the rear is heaps if your shock is ok. cbr250r clip on bars [lower]. DOT 5.1 brake fluid front and rear and a decent set of pads. Braided lines...done! :rockon: Should see 34hp at the hoop, bugger all weight in the headlight and the pegs though. I would be suprised if there was 2kg there

[koba]

What HP figures , at crank or rear wheel?


I have heard Rgs dyno at around 27-29 at the wheel.

[sil3nt]

Whats with the tyre size rule? Means i couldn't enter the GPX if i ever felt like it :(

[ducatilover]

I have heard Rgs dyno at around 27-29 at the wheel.

That's about right.

[puddytat]

Mint, 5 thou oversize jets, space the carb needles .5mm, pilot screws 3 turns out should do it after you have a different can on the back, airbox and filter are already top notch and you will only loose power that way on the spada. cbr250r mc19 front srpings, preload at max on the rear is heaps if your shock is ok. cbr250r clip on bars [lower]. DOT 5.1 brake fluid front and rear and a decent set of pads. Braided lines...done! :rockon: Should see 34hp at the hoop, bugger all weight in the headlight and the pegs though. I would be suprised if there was 2kg there

Cheers Bro, all carefully noted down....once its all finalised I plan to take it to Nelson & get Lester (Karel Pavichs mechanic) to give it a good going over....
though at this point its not clear wether the Spada will be eligible as its a jap model:gob: Still waiting to hear back on that:wait:(wheres the praying icon)

Took her out for a thrash the other day after giving her a good going over & was pleasantly surprised:yes: a tad slow on the getgo, but once up in the rev range it can hussle along surprisngly well, nice nimble wee thing, somewhat like the Bros I thought, front brake works surprisingly well & stoppies quite effectively.:whistle: Quite good in the gravel too:woohoo:
Seems quite hard in the rear for me even on position 1, so am a wondering about the spring...
Looking for straight clipons too:rockon:

[ducatilover]

Cheers Bro, all carefully noted down....once its all finalised I plan to take it to Nelson & get Lester (Karel Pavichs mechanic) to give it a good going over....
though at this point its not clear wether the Spada will be eligible as its a jap model:gob: Still waiting to hear back on that:wait:(wheres the praying icon)

Took her out for a thrash the other day after giving her a good going over & was pleasantly surprised:yes: a tad slow on the getgo, but once up in the rev range it can hussle along surprisngly well, nice nimble wee thing, somewhat like the Bros I thought, front brake works surprisingly well & stoppies quite effectively.:whistle: Quite good in the gravel too:woohoo:
Seems quite hard in the rear for me even on position 1, so am a wondering about the spring...
Looking for straight clipons too:rockon: :rockon: Yeah cbr clip ons are the best way to go. My bors rode very similar to the spada [except the power and torque part] The bros was nimble, but not to the silly extent of the spada. Yes the spada is slow but take any other 250 twin for a blat...and they don't tank slapper like the bros! :woohoo: Hopefully it's eligible :yes:

[puddytat]

Whats with the tyre size rule? Means i couldn't enter the GPX if i ever felt like it :(

Be nice if they gave us an old age dispensation...I wonder if our respective clubs would allow some slack on those rules, they might be harder on it if you were racing the Nats ?:scratch:

[ducatilover]

Be nice if they gave us an old age dispensation...I wonder if our respective clubs would allow some slack on those rules, they might be harder on it if you were racing the Nats ?:scratch:

Hmmm I think an email explaining that the spada should be eligible purely because of the fact that it is a 250cc four stroke twin may help sort the deal. What's wrong with a non nzdm bike?

[puddytat]

Yeah, my worst tankslap ever was on my Bros, but I cut the tight winds off the bottom of the springs then made up longer preload spacers & 15wt oil & she behaved herself nicely after that:girlfight:

[puddytat]

Hmmm I think an email explaining that the spada should be eligible purely because of the fact that it is a 250cc four stroke twin may help sort the deal. What's wrong with a non nzdm bike?

thats what im hoping too....Cant quite figure why it'd not be eligible, but hey I aint the "man"...must be quite a few in NZ by now,but they are a grey import.:crazy: I have been in touch with MNZ , plus a nice fella on here is looking into it for me (insert fingers crossed icon here)

[ducatilover]

Yeah, my worst tankslap ever was on my Bros, but I cut the tight winds off the bottom of the springs then made up longer preload spacers & 15wt oil & she behaved herself nicely after that:girlfight: I never managed to do that, I learned it liked a good slap when I crashed it


thats what im hoping too....Cant quite figure why it'd not be eligible, but hey I aint the "man"...must be quite a few in NZ by now,but they are a grey import.:crazy: I have been in touch with MNZ , plus a nice fella on here is looking into it for me (insert fingers crossed icon here)
Best of luck! :scooter:

[chaos rider]

well unfortunatly you have it wrong as well rachprice's as a dry bike has 0 hp
lol

[EJK]

Huh??</10char>

[Slyer]

He was making a joke.
Bikes without fluids don't run.

[ducatilover]

well unfortunatly you have it wrong as well rachprice's as a dry bike has 0 hp
lol

Oh so you are also wrong. Your bike fully wet will be around 190-200kg. with 25hp at the wheel.

[Billy]

Be nice if they gave us an old age dispensation...I wonder if our respective clubs would allow some slack on those rules, they might be harder on it if you were racing the Nats ?:scratch:

My experience with club racing would tell me youd be ok.Had a discussion with Maarty Van Booma on thursday night and he said the rules are finalised and should be on the MNZ website very soon

[rachprice]

well unfortunatly you have it wrong as well rachprice's as a dry bike has 0 hp
lol

Good comeback buddy

Couldnt be bothered adding fuel...adding the same amount of fuel will add the same amount of weight right?
There are a lot of variables...including amount of fuel and rider weight
But I was doing a purely mathematical equation, without factoring in those variables

Plus was just pointing out how wrong your HP values were....

[rachprice]

Oh dear....why do I even bother
Dam work being so boring

[cheesemethod]

Oh dear....why do I even bother

Cause it keeps us lurkers entertained :niceone:

[chaos rider]

Good comeback buddy

Couldnt be bothered adding fuel...adding the same amount of fuel will add the same amount of weight right?
There are a lot of variables...including amount of fuel and rider weight
But I was doing a purely mathematical equation, without factoring in those variables

Plus was just pointing out how wrong your HP values were....

well i am running 36 hp at 170 kgs fully wet, thoughs are correct. Remember i'v made some modifications to my bike and therefore it is ALOT lighter than the stock hyosung.


Oh so you are also wrong. Your bike fully wet will be around 190-200kg. with 25hp at the wheel.

no i got the hp/weight wrong 150 has more

[rachprice]

well i am running 36 hp at 170 kgs fully wet, thoughs are correct. Remember i'v made some modifications to my bike and therefore it is ALOT lighter than the stock hyosung.



no i got the hp/weight wrong 150 has more

Where did you get 36HP from? have you dyno-ed it?
Why is yours so much more than the factory?
Howare you going to race it in streetstock class?

How much lighter? 15kg??

[cheesemethod]

Hyosung claim a dry weight of 168 (Aus website) or 377lb ( 171 kg, US website). So I think 170kg wet is a fair estimate. US model has 27hp and 16.7lb/ft. So what mods have you done to get to 36hp?

[rachprice]

Hyosung claim a dry weight of 168 (Aus website) or 377lb ( 171 kg, US website). So I think 170kg wet is a fair estimate. US model has 27hp and 16.7lb/ft. So what mods have you done to get to 36hp?

Yeah but 17l of fuel plus oil!

[cheesemethod]

Ah, I just read that properly again. Ok, so 17L petrol is aprox. 12.6kg, plus I would be guessing about 2 or 3 kg for oil?

So to get 170 wet you'd have to take about 15kg ish off the bike. Hard to say if that's achievable or not.

[mossy1200]

Yeah but 17l of fuel plus oil!
I can understand 170ish wet as you race with 5litres of fuel etc but 36hp from can and jets seems far fetched if it wants to be within the rules.
The 27 claimed would be at the crank also.
36hp is what you would expect from inline 4cylinder at rear wheel with the same mods.
Need to see this bike in action soon.
Its gunna need gpra10 tyres.All this budget tyre stuff is not going to help if he wants to win races in his first event.
Would suspect those sung forks will need some internal tweeks.Think that is alowed also in this class by the look of it.

[rachprice]

I can understand 170ish wet as you race with 5litres of fuel etc but 36hp from can and jets seems far fetched if it wants to be within the rules.
The 27 claimed would be at the crank also.
36hp is what you would expect from inline 4cylinder at rear wheel with the same mods.
Need to see this bike in action soon.
Its gunna need gpra10 tyres.All this budget tyre stuff is not going to help if he wants to win races in his first event.
Would suspect those sung forks will need some internal tweeks.Think that is alowed also in this class by the look of it.

Yeah I just assumed that because he said 'fully' wet

[puddytat]

Spadas according to the manual, are 153kg dry:bleh:....havnt been able to find a hp figure yet....but are hoping to get another 5-7kg off it.
Anyone used Bridgestone 003R's ? Got one on da front & a 090r on the rear...

[Crasherfromwayback]

. Ok, so 17L petrol is aprox. 12.6kg, .

Petrol is basically 1kg a litre

[cheesemethod]

Petrol is less dense than water, water is 1kg/L approx. Avgas is about .72kg/L, petrol is about .74kg/L.

[Ragingrob]

Pretty sure rachprice's VFR dry could beat the Hyo anyway, Hyo would break itself before the first lap and Rach can push her VFR around :first:

Not to mention how such a 'modified' Hyo could run in street 'stock' in the first place.

[R6_kid]

Pretty sure rachprice's VFR dry could beat the Hyo anyway, Hyo would break itself before the first lap and Rach can push her VFR around :first:

Not to mention how such a 'modified' Hyo could run in street 'stock' in the first place.

Haha, I'd like to see that. Even if its just to see Rach in her leathers! :devil2:

[Ragingrob]

Haha, I'd like to see that. Even if its just to see Rach in her leathers! :devil2:

It'd get pretty hot pretty quickly for her in leathers in the sun though, we all know what that means!

Well what the song says anyway

[DELLORTO]

36hp from a hyobag......yeah right!!!!

Even if you put a new exhaust on, new carbs and a set of race cams....which i doubt you've put on....you'd still be putting out less than 35hp....

[rachprice]

Petrol is basically 1kg a litre

You would be wrong dear sir....less dense!


Pretty sure rachprice's VFR dry could beat the Hyo anyway, Hyo would break itself before the first lap and Rach can push her VFR around :first:

Not to mention how such a 'modified' Hyo could run in street 'stock' in the first place.

hahahhahaha yeah.....though i just about died pushing a dam RG back when it ran out of gas! VFR a little heavier...


Haha, I'd like to see that. Even if its just to see Rach in her leathers! :devil2:


It'd get pretty hot pretty quickly for her in leathers in the sun though, we all know what that means!

Well what the song says anyway

Cheeky shits :bleh:

[Harvd]

... a 090r on the rear... These are great tyres had a 150/60/17 on my bandit. never felt it squirm. How big are the spada tyres?

[puddytat]

These are great tyres had a 150/60/17 on my bandit. never felt it squirm. How big are the spada tyres?

110/70/17 front....140/70/17 rear.....never really had bridgey's before,always had Pirelli's or michelins.
It was a toss up between these or Dunlop GPR10's, so welcome folks opinions.
The rules state nothing wider than 110 front or 140 rear & no warmers, full wets are allowed...
I struggled with no warmers last year in Clubbies, but we'll all be in the same boat in this class:niceone:
The bike is looking decidely raceier after a wet afternoon:blip:

[ducatilover]

well i am running 36 hp at 170 kgs fully wet, thoughs are correct. Remember i'v made some modifications to my bike and therefore it is ALOT lighter than the stock hyosung.



no i got the hp/weight wrong 150 has more No, you do not and you have not. Prove it. Yes, as stated you were wrong.


Where did you get 36HP from? have you dyno-ed it?
Why is yours so much more than the factory?
Howare you going to race it in streetstock class?

How much lighter? 15kg?? Factory hyobag with carbs is 33hp at the crank, I will keep telling him that until he gets it. He is full of shite :niceone:


Spadas according to the manual, are 153kg dry:bleh:....havnt been able to find a hp figure yet....but are hoping to get another 5-7kg off it.
Anyone used Bridgestone 003R's ? Got one on da front & a 090r on the rear...
Try weighing it :first: I put mine on the calf scales, you will be pleasantly surprised. They are 40hp at the crank, mine did 32hp at the wheel when I brought it and after three years of playing with jets and slide and needle height and exhaust set ups ended up with a fraction over 34hp at the wheel and 3nm more [which I was bloody stoked with] :clap:

[chaos rider]

well i was running at 30hp when i bought the bike (it was dyno'd by mt eden before i bought it lol selby was trying to win a bet) since then ive de snorkeld the filter, removed the fuel limiter, removed the cdi retard wire and i have the new exhaust and ive "run the engine in" so im guesing a 6 hp increase.

weight...
new exhaust -3kg
internal plastic (tool holder ect..) -3kg
tail light and mud guard -9kg
headlight -11kg (not sure ill have to check again but it is close to that)
rear seat and mounts -8kg
grab handle -5kg
passenger pegs -6kg
fairng mods +3kgs

apx weight loss 35kgs original weight confermed in my owners manual at 182kg dry, weight off fuel 17L 13kg apx

my figures arent that far feched

i can pull far feched ones out my arse if you realy want

im aiming to win. its a goal, i dont realy care if i dont but im going to do it anyway

and unless someone better turns up like rachprice i prob will win so you can run your mouths all you want, but come nov 1st ill be there with my bike and thats not going to change.

so ill say it again if you can make it with a twin250 four on nov 1st at puki then pm me so i can get back to mark or chris with numbers

thankyou

[Crasherfromwayback]

You would be wrong dear sir....less dense!


.74kg at room temp! Near enough for that cabbages calculations though!

[del-solider]

I have a 250 twin and would be keen az beanz for a race...... but mines a dirty ol smoker :devil2:

[RDjase]

well i was running at 30hp when i bought the bike (it was dyno'd by mt eden before i bought it lol selby was trying to win a bet) since then ive de snorkeld the filter, removed the fuel limiter, removed the cdi retard wire and i have the new exhaust and ive "run the engine in" so im guesing a 6 hp increase.

weight...
new exhaust -3kg
internal plastic (tool holder ect..) -3kg
tail light and mud guard -9kg
headlight -11kg (not sure ill have to check again but it is close to that)
rear seat and mounts -8kg
grab handle -5kg
passenger pegs -6kg
fairng mods +3kgs



What are hyusung parts made of?

Cast iron and Lead?

Did you weigh all the bits complete or separately?

Does your bike still fit the rules?

Pacific club are running there 4stroke 250 class(open to all 4 strokes, no cylinder limit, not resticted to twins) with the 150ss, this class is starting to get more entrys and will not be stopped when this new twins class comes in,
It wil probably be run all i the same race. ie 150ss, 250 4stoke (open) and 250 twins, 3 classes in one race
Like how Pro twin(650) has restictins and a SV650(or whatever other 650) in F3 can be modifyed, they still all race together in the same race but 2 classes

I will call Nigel from pac club and ask about this new class and confirm whats happening when the Summer Series starts

[RDjase]

I have a 250 twin and would be keen az beanz for a race...... but mines a dirty ol smoker :devil2:

F3 for you mate, and/or post classic if it 1989 or earlier

Its heaps of fun:clap:

2:niceone: strokes ROCK

Edit , V twin TZR NICE (but not for postys), you can race either of your bikes in F3

[cheesemethod]

I think I'll take 1 Nov off work, and take my camera down to Pukekohe, should make for some interesting racing. Hey Chaos, what's a fuel limiter, and where does it live on the Hyo?

[rachprice]

well i was running at 30hp when i bought the bike (it was dyno'd by mt eden before i bought it lol selby was trying to win a bet) since then ive de snorkeld the filter, removed the fuel limiter, removed the cdi retard wire and i have the new exhaust and ive "run the engine in" so im guesing a 6 hp increase.

weight...
new exhaust -3kg
internal plastic (tool holder ect..) -3kg
tail light and mud guard -9kg
headlight -11kg (not sure ill have to check again but it is close to that)
rear seat and mounts -8kg
grab handle -5kg
passenger pegs -6kg
fairng mods +3kgs

apx weight loss 35kgs original weight confermed in my owners manual at 182kg dry, weight off fuel 17L 13kg apx

my figures arent that far feched

i can pull far feched ones out my arse if you realy want

im aiming to win. its a goal, i dont realy care if i dont but im going to do it anyway

and unless someone better turns up like rachprice i prob will win so you can run your mouths all you want, but come nov 1st ill be there with my bike and thats not going to change.



Nothing wrong with wanting to win dude, funnily enough it drives a lot of us...you just don't see us rocking around talking ourselves up and insulting well experienced racers

Someone better like me? Is that a piss take or what????

Dyno chart for mods on a hyosung....http://www.gofastloudly.com/id75.html
Even with mods doesn't get above around 25

[ducatilover]

well i was running at 30hp when i bought the bike (it was dyno'd by mt eden before i bought it lol selby was trying to win a bet) since then ive de snorkeld the filter, removed the fuel limiter, removed the cdi retard wire and i have the new exhaust and ive "run the engine in" so im guesing a 6 hp increase.

weight...
new exhaust -3kg
internal plastic (tool holder ect..) -3kg
tail light and mud guard -9kg
headlight -11kg (not sure ill have to check again but it is close to that)
rear seat and mounts -8kg
grab handle -5kg
passenger pegs -6kg
fairng mods +3kgs

apx weight loss 35kgs original weight confermed in my owners manual at 182kg dry, weight off fuel 17L 13kg apx

my figures arent that far feched

i can pull far feched ones out my arse if you realy want


Good on you for wanting to win. Show me a dyno sheet :niceone:. I bet $20 it wasn't making 30hp at the wheel. De snorkeled the air filter? Have you jetted the carbs to suit? Ther is no fuel limiter, it is a diaphragm to stop fuel flooding the bowls whilst the engine is off. The new exhaust? Have you got a set of tuned length extractors or just an end can? Either way, needs carb jetting or it will run too lean and since the hyo is oil cooled it cannot compensate for that, so best to do the jets. CDI retard wire? Explain how you have done this? If you run your engine too lean [as it will be] with the timing too advanced OR retarded it's stuffed. Please go get the bike jetted and get carb springs to suit [perhaps softer springs to run richer at part throttle so you don't melt or hot spot anything]. Give us proof of the headlight weight etc
I hope you have a good time out there mate, go hard and show us we are wrong.

[gatch]

well i was running at 30hp when i bought the bike (it was dyno'd by mt eden before i bought it lol selby was trying to win a bet) since then ive de snorkeld the filter, removed the fuel limiter, removed the cdi retard wire and i have the new exhaust and ive "run the engine in" so im guesing a 6 hp increase.

weight...
new exhaust -3kg
internal plastic (tool holder ect..) -3kg
tail light and mud guard -9kg
headlight -11kg (not sure ill have to check again but it is close to that)
rear seat and mounts -8kg
grab handle -5kg
passenger pegs -6kg
fairng mods +3kgs

apx weight loss 35kgs original weight confermed in my owners manual at 182kg dry, weight off fuel 17L 13kg apx

my figures arent that far feched

i can pull far feched ones out my arse if you realy want

im aiming to win. its a goal, i dont realy care if i dont but im going to do it anyway

and unless someone better turns up like rachprice i prob will win so you can run your mouths all you want, but come nov 1st ill be there with my bike and thats not going to change.

so ill say it again if you can make it with a twin250 four on nov 1st at puki then pm me so i can get back to mark or chris with numbers

thankyou

All those figures are just guesses, how do you prove people wrong with guesses ?

I guess if you shave your legs and visit the toilet right before the race you'll save a further 5-6kg ?

[ducatilover]

Nothing wrong with wanting to win dude, funnily enough it drives a lot of us...you just don't see us rocking around talking ourselves up and insulting well experienced racers

Someone better like me? Is that a piss take or what????

Dyno chart for mods on a hyosung....http://www.gofastloudly.com/id75.html
Even with mods doesn't get above around 25

Pharque, I've seen 25 on one before. That is truly pathetic :clap:
Well, experienced racers and intelligent beings like myself realize that you can never stop learning how to ride faster and that it's not just all get on and go. I don't know why he talks himself up so much, this is a picture of the chicken strip [or farm] from the hyosung he rides. I myself know that I will get out ridden by many a person, but, I don't mind. I go at my pace
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=128803&d=1241892893

[Billy]

well i was running at 30hp when i bought the bike (it was dyno'd by mt eden before i bought it lol selby was trying to win a bet) since then ive de snorkeld the filter, removed the fuel limiter, removed the cdi retard wire and i have the new exhaust and ive "run the engine in" so im guesing a 6 hp increase.

weight...
new exhaust -3kg
internal plastic (tool holder ect..) -3kg
tail light and mud guard -9kg
headlight -11kg (not sure ill have to check again but it is close to that)
rear seat and mounts -8kg
grab handle -5kg
passenger pegs -6kg
fairng mods +3kgs

apx weight loss 35kgs original weight confermed in my owners manual at 182kg dry, weight off fuel 17L 13kg apx

my figures arent that far feched

i can pull far feched ones out my arse if you realy want

im aiming to win. its a goal, i dont realy care if i dont but im going to do it anyway

and unless someone better turns up like rachprice i prob will win so you can run your mouths all you want, but come nov 1st ill be there with my bike and thats not going to change.

so ill say it again if you can make it with a twin250 four on nov 1st at puki then pm me so i can get back to mark or chris with numbers

thankyou

Trouble is mate with all the mods youve made,Youll have to enter F3 as your bikes no longer legal for 250 production.But wait,Theres more,If your claimed dry weight is from the manufacturer then youll find it means completely dry,IE no fork oil,gearbox oil,brake fluid,coolant,In fact in some cases they dont even inlude the tyres.All they do is weigh the individual parts and then add it all up,Example Craig Shirriffs RGV250N claimed dry by Suzuki 139kgs,Actual dry weight when we weighed it for airfreighting too Phillip Island = 151kgs

[chaos rider]

What are hyusung parts made of?

Cast iron and Lead?

Did you weigh all the bits complete or separately?

Does your bike still fit the rules?

Pacific club are running there 4stroke 250 class(open to all 4 strokes, no cylinder limit, not resticted to twins) with the 150ss, this class is starting to get more entrys and will not be stopped when this new twins class comes in,
It wil probably be run all i the same race. ie 150ss, 250 4stoke (open) and 250 twins, 3 classes in one race
Like how Pro twin(650) has restictins and a SV650(or whatever other 650) in F3 can be modifyed, they still all race together in the same race but 2 classes

I will call Nigel from pac club and ask about this new class and confirm whats happening when the Summer Series starts

well poly propoline isnt light, and itc with the amcc so im not sure how much info you will get


Good on you for wanting to win. Show me a dyno sheet :niceone:. I bet $20 it wasn't making 30hp at the wheel. De snorkeled the air filter? Have you jetted the carbs to suit? Ther is no fuel limiter, it is a diaphragm to stop fuel flooding the bowls whilst the engine is off.

um that diafram does alot more then that. and ive tried to explain it befor. it only lets fuel through when the pistons draw in from the carbs hence it limits fuel. and ive not had a prob with the bowls flooding, i think its a load of bull realy. well if you want to pitch in some money so i can waist ie getting a dyno done that will tell me nothing helpfull then sure. ive been taught how to smell how rich or lean and engine is running and i can also adjust air flow and exhaust to suit and im pritty good at it so i dont real need to dyno it other then to satisfy you lot realy.

fairing fill be primed and ready to paint tommorow and i will start the paint job tuesday

[ducatilover]

well poly propoline isnt light, and itc with the amcc so im not sure how much info you will get
Fiber glass is not light either, I know I work with it for a living.


um that diafram does alot more then that. and ive tried to explain it befor. it only lets fuel through when the pistons draw in from the carbs hence it limits fuel. and ive not had a prob with the bowls flooding, i think its a load of bull realy. well if you want to pitch in some money so i can waist ie getting a dyno done that will tell me nothing helpfull then sure. ive been taught how to smell how rich or lean and engine is running and i can also adjust air flow and exhaust to suit and im pritty good at it so i dont real need to dyno it other then to satisfy you lot realy.
fairing fill be primed and ready to paint tommorow and i will start the paint job tuesday
Yours does not do that chaos, it is a stop cock type, not a pump like a few Hondas use, the head pressure from the tank helps is what makes the fuel flow and the return spring on the diaphragm make it return at a certain rate, it does NOT restrict the fuel flow.
The dyno will tell you your air/fuel ratio, this will also tell you what jet size and taper you want, it will tell you if the needles need spacing, it will tell you if the springs need changing, it can tell you the ignition timing is out. HAVE YOU HAD NEW IDLE OR MAIN JETS PUT IN? You obviously know fuck all so sit back and listen to the people trying to help you, don't be an obnoxious cunt. You cannot adjust how rich your bike runs above the idle jet. So tell me Chaos, when you put a new exhaust on your hyo and if it backfires off the throttle what does that mean?

Does that mean you can smell the correct stociometric ratio? And what is the correct ratio that you smell? An exhaust gas anyliser is accurate, not these dumb rambling of yours.

[RDjase]

well poly propoline isnt light, and itc with the amcc so im not sure how much info you will get



I know you are racing with amcc chaos , i am explaning to the people on this thread that actually listen/read what is happening with the Pacific club series,

I will post whats happening after i call Nigel ( nigela on KB )

By all means come and race the pacific rounds , its a good series and very good entry numbers, the tight taupo circut will suit your bike , lots of corners = good fun

[Crasherfromwayback]

um that diafram does alot more then that. and ive tried to explain it befor. it only lets fuel through when the pistons draw in from the carbs hence it limits fuel. and ive not had a prob with the bowls flooding, i think its a load of bull realy. well if you want to pitch in some money so i can waist ie getting a dyno done that will tell me nothing helpfull then sure. ive been taught how to smell how rich or lean and engine is running and i can also adjust air flow and exhaust to suit and im pritty good at it so i dont real need to dyno it other then to satisfy you lot realy.



Mate...I've got a great sense of smell too...one of the advantages of having a big beak. And I smell bullshit. The diaphragm in your fuel tap is only there to open it. It has nothing to do with what goes to the carb...the floats and needle do that. The dia opens when your engine cranks over and creates vacuum. I doubt you're very good at tuning fuck all seeing as you don't actually know what the various parts are there for!

[mossy1200]

I seem to have wasted my money dyno tunning mine to find a 5% gain when chaos could smell my tailpipe to find 50%.
25 rwhp would be a good figure to obtain considering the factory would test a hundred bikes then quote the highest result out of that group of bikes and claim brake hp(linear less approx 10%)at crank(rear wheel less approx 8%) and come up with something like 27hp.
Tires,sprocket sellection and suspension dial in will equate to more time cut off a lap than a 2hp gain in tune.
Suggest sniffing tail pipe is hazardous to health.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Suggest sniffing tail pipe is hazardous to health.

hehehe...not quite so bad now we're using unleaded!

[gatch]

Suggest sniffing tail pipe is hazardous to health.

I would concur..

[Maarty]

[Chaos Rider said](um that diafram does alot more then that. and ive tried to explain it befor. it only lets fuel through when the pistons draw in from the carbs hence it limits fuel. and ive not had a prob with the bowls flooding, i think its a load of bull realy. well if you want to pitch in some money so i can waist ie getting a dyno done that will tell me nothing helpfull then sure. ive been taught how to smell how rich or lean and engine is running and i can also adjust air flow and exhaust to suit and im pritty good at it so i dont real need to dyno it other then to satisfy you lot realy.)

I think you will find everyone that this is just a huge piss-take, lets face it, nobody tunes a motorcycle by "sniffing" the exhaust! For those of us old enough to remember, Warren Caters mechanic could(?) tune wareeen TZ250 by putting his hands up to the mufflers! Then again, he was Japenese, they, after all, are the GURUs for tuning eh!
Bottom line is though, I think this chap is just taking everyone of a ride (pardon the pun) he is not serious, noone surely believes any of this drivvle do they?
Lastly, if it were true, he will have to compete in F3 as his machine contrivenes far too many rules to make it elagible for 250 Prolites!
Please people, don't encourage him! you are just playing HIS game!

[chaos rider]

Yours does not do that chaos, it is a stop cock type, not a pump like a few Hondas use, the head pressure from the tank helps is what makes the fuel flow and the return spring on the diaphragm make it return at a certain rate, it does NOT restrict the fuel flow.
The dyno will tell you your air/fuel ratio, this will also tell you what jet size and taper you want, it will tell you if the needles need spacing, it will tell you if the springs need changing, it can tell you the ignition timing is out. HAVE YOU HAD NEW IDLE OR MAIN JETS PUT IN? You obviously know fuck all so sit back and listen to the people trying to help you, don't be an obnoxious cunt. You cannot adjust how rich your bike runs above the idle jet. So tell me Chaos, when you put a new exhaust on your hyo and if it backfires off the throttle what does that mean?

Does that mean you can smell the correct stociometric ratio? And what is the correct ratio that you smell? An exhaust gas anyliser is accurate, not these dumb rambling of yours.

ok again if the diafram cuts off the fuel when there is no suction from the head intake does that maen i get more fuel? i know it limits feul becuase i lost suction in the pipe and it cut my fuel off on the motorway. unless you KNOW what the hyo system does dont argue with someone who owns one and knows the system inside out

i have not touched my carbs yet ive told you this before and i wont be doing it till i go to aus in 5 months.

and dumb ramblings hu? tell that to burt he didnt need them or a dyno
so just because you know how carbs work doesnt mean someone else knows it difrently

[mossy1200]

[Chaos Rider said](um that diafram does alot more then that. and ive tried to explain it befor. it only lets fuel through when the pistons draw in from the carbs hence it limits fuel. and ive not had a prob with the bowls flooding, i think its a load of bull realy. well if you want to pitch in some money so i can waist ie getting a dyno done that will tell me nothing helpfull then sure. ive been taught how to smell how rich or lean and engine is running and i can also adjust air flow and exhaust to suit and im pritty good at it so i dont real need to dyno it other then to satisfy you lot realy.)

I think you will find everyone that this is just a huge piss-take, lets face it, nobody tunes a motorcycle by "sniffing" the exhaust! For those of us old enough to remember, Warren Caters mechanic could(?) tune wareeen TZ250 by putting his hands up to the mufflers! Then again, he was Japenese, they, after all, are the GURUs for tuning eh!
Bottom line is though, I think this chap is just taking everyone of a ride (pardon the pun) he is not serious, noone surely believes any of this drivvle do they?
Lastly, if it were true, he will have to compete in F3 as his machine contrivenes far too many rules to make it elagible for 250 Prolites!
Please people, don't encourage him! you are just playing HIS game!
We just wait with baited breath to see what comes up next.Chaos the comedian....:first:

[Crasherfromwayback]

it till i go to aus in 5 months.

and dumb ramblings hu? tell that to burt he didnt need them or a dyno
so just because you know how carbs work doesnt mean someone else knows it difrently

You're going to Aus? Thank fuck for that.

Ps: Burt did indeed need carbs. You didn't see him trying to sniff his exhaust system at 150mph though.

[ajturbo]

Example Craig Shirriffs RGV250N claimed dry by Suzuki 139kgs,Actual dry weight when we weighed it for airfreighting too Phillip Island = 151kgs


:Oi:ya dumb bugger.. YOU were NOT suppose to be sitting on it at the time...:banana:

[ducatilover]

ok again if the diafram cuts off the fuel when there is no suction from the head intake does that maen i get more fuel? i know it limits feul becuase i lost suction in the pipe and it cut my fuel off on the motorway. unless you KNOW what the hyo system does dont argue with someone who owns one and knows the system inside out

i have not touched my carbs yet ive told you this before and i wont be doing it till i go to aus in 5 months.

and dumb ramblings hu? tell that to burt he didnt need them or a dyno
so just because you know how carbs work doesnt mean someone else knows it difrently
Chaos, I am a qualified mechanic, I know what the system does.I think you mean the vacuum line to the fuel tap. There is always suction form the head, the fluctuations in vacuum occur faster than a spring loaded rubber diaphragm can, work it out for yourself. Do you think hyosung would fit a part to their bike that makes you randomly run out of fuel? No, no they would not. The reason you run out of fuel is because you hit reserve or your ego soaked it up. If you have changed the exhaust you will have to do the jets to achieve anything, your motor is designed to run reasonably lean so don't push it. Burt was an experienced man, he knew what to do to an extent yet he made many a mistake. You are not burt, I have more knowledge on carburetors than you, so take the given advice. How are you tuning it with your nose? You cannot load test it with your nose, when the ignition is under full advance and your slides/needles are open, that doesn't happen until it is under load, eg riding it or on a dyno. Give up arguing Chaos, people here are giving you advice, people here know a lot more than you do, after all they have been there and done that many a time. I have tuned many vehicles on a dyno and tried tuning them on the road, the best way to tune a vehicle with carburetors is on a dyno. Not with your nose. If you were intelligent you would have known that Burt would have been using his spark plugs as a true reference to his air/fuel ratio, you could try this, if you have your exhaust less restrictive I would say your plugs will be a very light brown or white.
Try getting over yourself and listening to some people who genuinely want to help you, we all want to see you get the best from your bike and are offering advice and correcting you where you are mistaken. :niceone:

[DELLORTO]

it just keeps getting funnier!!!! hyosung 250 30hp stock!! lol thats such a lie its almost sad!!\

i reaken even my fxr150 would have more off the line and top speed power than you 250 hyosung.......

[koba]

i reaken even my fxr150 would have more off the line and top speed power than you 250 hyosung.......

Haha! Another funny fulla!

[DELLORTO]

Haha! Another funny fulla!

wat i have some state of the ark stuff on my bike.....:cool:

[ducatilover]

wat i have some state of the ark stuff on my bike.....:cool:

Yeah...my 73 e12 bmw has state of the ark stuff too :niceone: :devil2:

[mossy1200]

Haha! Another funny fulla!

My money is on the fxr150 seeing as chaos tuned his by snifing his tailpipe.

CAN YOU SMELL WHAT THE ROCKS IS COOKING

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mr8glaM4ruM

[DELLORTO]

a moded fxr150 could beat a gt250!! because they have a sixth gear....the acceleration isnt as good......But if you you know how to ride it wouldnt be too hard.....


has chaos rider even raced with hyosung before??

[ducatilover]

a moded fxr150 could beat a gt250!! because they have a sixth gear....the acceleration isnt as good......But if you you know how to ride it wouldnt be too hard.....


has chaos rider even raced with hyosung before??

He's their 250 gp rider

[Ooky]

after reading this thread i have tryed chaos's advice and tuned the aprilia with my nose!:niceone: im trippin balls need to re tune on a weekly basis me thinks! :drool:

[mossy1200]

after reading this thread i have tryed chaos's advice and tuned the aprilia with my nose!:niceone: im trippin balls need to re tune on a weekly basis me thinks! :drool:

Chaos soaked his air filter in hash oil first.Your doing it wrong.If you were doing it the Chaos advanced tuning method you would want to tune it daily.

[koba]

i reaken even my fxr150 would have more off the line and top speed power than you 250 hyosung.......


a moded fxr150 could beat a gt250!! because they have a sixth gear....the acceleration isnt as good......But if you you know how to ride it wouldnt be too hard.....


I have no doubt an FXR could beat a superbike in a race if the rider on the superbike was enough of a squid.

Great contradiction though.

So Chaos...
I happen to have somthing here that might help you out heaps, its a wee part that while being completely legal for a streetstock type race it will increase your horsepower by at least 10%!
The catch is I only have one left so you will have to be in quick, I will do you a special price.

[RDjase]

Pacific club are running there 4stroke 250 class(open to all 4 strokes, no cylinder limit, not resticted to twins) with the 150ss, this class is starting to get more entrys and will not be stopped when this new twins class comes in,
It wil probably be run all i the same race. ie 150ss, 250 4stoke (open) and 250 twins, 3 classes in one race
Like how Pro twin(650) has restictins and a SV650(or whatever other 650) in F3 can be modifyed, they still all race together in the same race but 2 classes

I will call Nigel from pac club and ask about this new class and confirm whats happening when the Summer Series starts

I have been talking with Nigel this arvo and the 250s and 150s all will race together (along with125GP) 250 prolite twins to new MNZ rules, 250 4stroke 4 cylinder and modifyed twin and 150ss . will sort out final details at next club meeting.

Next Pacific Club meeting September 8th , Old customs house Ahuriri, Napier, By the big anchor and Iron Pot ,round the corner from Shed 2 and Gin Trap, theres lots of good events in the pipe line, any ideas and input welcome
See You There

[puddytat]

This is much better than the Telly.....:corn:

I spy with my little eye....something thats got 6 gears:blip:

[Crasherfromwayback]

I spy with my little eye....something thats got 6 gears:blip:

Chaos's mouth???

[Hiflyer]

Anyone notice how chaos' threads last for a good amount of time!?

[DELLORTO]

Anyone notice how chaos' threads last for a good amount of time!?

it dos seem that people with big ego's have very popular theads......

i wouldnt mine modding out a hyosung to see how much power i can get out of it.......might have to try that


ALSO would you fella's let me run my fxr150r in streetstock :eek:
i promise i wont win!!! :laugh::laugh:

[puddytat]

Chaos's mouth???

i thiink thats turboed as well:msn-wink:


Smelling your exhaust is along the same psychological profile as smelling your own farts maybe?:blink::thud:

[ducatilover]

i wouldnt mine modding out a hyosung to see how much power i can get out of it.......might have to try that

Fuck all if you want it to last and how much money are you willing to spend....

[Ragingrob]

There's a VF1000R on trademe at the moment, $1800 cash... Go for your life lol there's some cheap power!

[puddytat]

Yeah but it doesnt have 6 gears OR USD forks...

The POLL is nearly neck'n'neck :whocares:

[Ragingrob]

Yeah but it doesnt have 6 gears OR USD forks....

I think 122 HP can make up for that :chase:

Cam gears too!

[puddytat]

I remember slobbering all over one as a teenager:drool:
Be pretty hard to slip it into the class though:o:slap:

[Kickaha]

I remember slobbering all over one as a teenager:drool:
Be pretty hard to slip it into the class though:o:slap:

Pre89 is calling you:shifty:

[puddytat]

Pre89 is calling you:shifty:

Well I hope its not collect<_<


Had a wee weigh up of the superfluous bits & its 4.5kg:blip: still got the pipe to fiddle with yet,& the stand's yet to come off so should be another couple of kg yet.....:D:whistle:

[RDjase]

Bike Rider Magizine is the Sponser for the Pacific Summer series:2thumbsup

Now "The Bike Rider Magizine Summer Series" its been topsecret but all official now, Nigel has started a thread in the racing section about it, Great sponser to have with the club, and a really good monthly read
Paul Lance races a GPZ900 post classic bike and does a really good race report in the mag. The October edition will have more details.

A big thanks to Paul and Bike Rider Mag, and Nigel for making it all happen:clap:

4 Stroke 250s welcome:Punk:

[puddytat]

Heads up everyone.....Rules are looking like that bikes have to be NZ new....
so thats me fucked. No grey imports....I feel a right twat. Got to put it all back together & it was looking so purty:laugh:
Chaos, the class is yours for the taking!!

[ducatilover]

Well I hope its not collect<_<


Had a wee weigh up of the superfluous bits & its 4.5kg:blip: still got the pipe to fiddle with yet,& the stand's yet to come off so should be another couple of kg yet.....:D:whistle:

The pipe doesn't weigh much really. Rip out the carbon collector box [rhs back of engine] and re-route the pcv valve straight to the airbox, couple of grams there :laugh: not 35kg...but meh. Be careful to make sure the coolant overflow line is ok....and pressure test the cap. Ditch the fan switch on the lhs of the radiator, put a wire from that to the radiator mount [8mm bolt] and put the electrical clip back on, hard wire time! No need to worry bout it shagging out. I have spare clutch here and the loom from gatchs bike and various other engine bits :sunny:

[ducatilover]

Heads up everyone.....Rules are looking like that bikes have to be NZ new....
so thats me fucked. No grey imports....I feel a right twat. Got to put it all back together & it was looking so purty:laugh:
Chaos, the class is yours for the taking!!

Fuck them!!!!!! :no::no::no:
All the non spada 250 twins are poo except the vt250f2 and they don't handle or stop any good.

[RDjase]

Heads up everyone.....Rules are looking like that bikes have to be NZ new....
so thats me fucked. No grey imports....I feel a right twat. Got to put it all back together & it was looking so purty:laugh:
Chaos, the class is yours for the taking!!




Pacific club are running there 4stroke 250 class(open to all 4 strokes, no cylinder limit, not resticted to twins) with the 150ss, this class is starting to get more entrys and will not be stopped when this new twins class comes in,
It wil probably be run all i the same race. ie 150ss, 250 4stoke (open) and 250 twins, 3 classes in one race
Like how Pro twin(650) has restictins and a SV650(or whatever other 650) in F3 can be modifyed, they still all race together in the same race but 2 classes

I will call Nigel from pac club and ask about this new class and confirm whats happening when the Summer Series starts


I have been talking with Nigel this arvo and the 250s and 150s all will race together (along with125GP) 250 prolite twins to new MNZ rules, 250 4stroke 4 cylinder and modifyed twin and 150ss . will sort out final details at next club meeting.





You can still race :niceone:

www.pacclub.co.nz

[puddytat]

Just hope I can convince MCC

[ajturbo]

Heads up everyone.....Rules are looking like that bikes have to be NZ new....
so thats me fucked. No grey imports....I feel a right twat. Got to put it all back together & it was looking so purty:laugh:
Chaos, the class is yours for the taking!!
that's a stupid fuckin rule....

in my eyes.. if it is a 250... for a 250 class... who cares where it was brought????

FFS

[ducatilover]

that's a stupid fuckin rule....

in my eyes.. if it is a 250... for a 250 class... who cares where it was brought????

FFS

Exactly! :2guns::2guns::2guns:

[chaos rider]

the class is waiting for us with amcc it wont happen unless we show up.

so bring what you want as long as it has 2 cylinders, is 250cc MAX and strokes 4 times

its funny how there making the rules when they dont even know if there are enough people to race in it.

so we all:grouphug: show at puki nov 1st and if there are more then 8 of us ready to go and pass scrutinearing then we will run.

who cares where you bought your bike or how you got it just bring it.:first:

[DELLORTO]

the class is waiting for us with amcc it wont happen unless we show up.

so bring what you want as long as it has 2 cylinders, is 250cc MAX and strokes 4 times

its funny how there making the rules when they dont even know if there are enough people to race in it.

so we all:grouphug: show at puki nov 1st and if there are more then 8 of us ready to go and pass scrutinearing then we will run.

who cares where you bought your bike or how you got it just bring it.:first:

got any picts of your bike??

[puddytat]

Had a good talk with Oyster today, & he was really helpful.....
but its basically that they (MNZ) dont want 20 year old bikes whippin' the new ones ....may affect the importers of the new bikes wanting to support the class if older & possibly gruntier, rule.Its a class for the future with the onus being on newer 250's. ( I am not slagging MNZ)
He also mentioned that there is something like 12 different models of VTR's & it would be a nightmare to police,so grey imports just make it harder.
Which I can understand.
It also brings up the point that even if I could race , & that no one would really have a problem with that, what if I started getting placings ahead of Homologated bikes....could be a can of worms & people would have the right to complain & get technical...
So Im going to do a trackday for a start,Oyster is going to have a chat to the committe for me & see if I may be able to do at least a few rounds before the rules come into force in the new year sometime...:niceone:
Oyster also pointed out that I could do the cams meets & enter pre89...
All is not lost,but hey wont be quite the same...might have to review my plans

[mossy1200]

Had a good talk with Oyster today, & he was really helpful.....
but its basically that they (MNZ) dont want 20 year old bikes whippin' the new ones ....may affect the importers of the new bikes wanting to support the class if older & possibly gruntier, rule.Its a class for the future with the onus being on newer 250's. ( I am not slagging MNZ)
He also mentioned that there is something like 12 different models of VTR's & it would be a nightmare to police,so grey imports just make it harder.
Which I can understand.
It also brings up the point that even if I could race , & that no one would really have a problem with that, what if I started getting placings ahead of Homologated bikes....could be a can of worms & people would have the right to complain & get technical...
So Im going to do a trackday for a start,Oyster is going to have a chat to the committe for me & see if I may be able to do at least a few rounds before the rules come into force in the new year sometime...:niceone:
Oyster also pointed out that I could do the cams meets & enter pre89...
All is not lost,but hey wont be quite the same...might have to review my plans
Pre 89 is the go then.Chaos has 250 twin all won anyways.

[gatch]

Had a good talk with Oyster today, & he was really helpful.....
but its basically that they (MNZ) dont want 20 year old bikes whippin' the new ones ....may affect the importers of the new bikes wanting to support the class if older & possibly gruntier, rule.Its a class for the future with the onus being on newer 250's. ( I am not slagging MNZ)
He also mentioned that there is something like 12 different models of VTR's & it would be a nightmare to police,so grey imports just make it harder.
Which I can understand.
It also brings up the point that even if I could race , & that no one would really have a problem with that, what if I started getting placings ahead of Homologated bikes....could be a can of worms & people would have the right to complain & get technical...
So Im going to do a trackday for a start,Oyster is going to have a chat to the committe for me & see if I may be able to do at least a few rounds before the rules come into force in the new year sometime...:niceone:
Oyster also pointed out that I could do the cams meets & enter pre89...
All is not lost,but hey wont be quite the same...might have to review my plans

Its a bit of a shit that you cant race the older bikes cause as you say they would quite probably hone out the newer shitter models, BUT based on the argument I think its probably fair, policing the numerous models would be a bugger and you are right, it would make the manufacturers look ghey as fuck if 20 yr old hardware was smoking their brand new "250 sportbikes". lol.

Good luck to the racers, and yes chaos too..

[koba]

ALSO would you fella's let me run my fxr150r in streetstock :eek:
i promise i wont win!!! :laugh::laugh:

You can.
There is a guy who has entered the first and 4th rounds of the Vic winter series.

EDIT: The streetstock rules even allow linited mods such as cams on 150 four strokes.

[chaos rider]

the fairings are almost done paint is just being a bich and taking ages to go off but they like i said will be done by the weekend and ill post pics

i dont want to ruin the sprise by posting prematurly

[gatch]

i dont want to ruin the sprise by posting prematurly

hahahahahahaha

neither mate

[RDjase]

posting prematurly

Theres a nasal spray to stop that Chaos:laugh:

[ducatilover]

the fairings are almost done paint is just being a bich and taking ages to go off but they like i said will be done by the weekend and ill post pics

i dont want to ruin the sprise by posting prematurly

Hurry the fuck up. :done: I just got the spada painted in damp weather in 2 pack acrathane, that takes two days to cure. I think you are full of shit again, I work aroung this stuff every day and know it doesn't take this long. Stop stroking it and do something ffs. If they use ppg 2k paint it is a 2-1 paint to hardener mix, acrathane is 4-1 and takes longer to cure and mine took a day and a half in damp weather. Get out there and race, no excuses, we won't be suprised when you STILL have a fuckin hyosung. :2guns::2guns::2guns::2guns:

[chaos rider]

Theres a nasal spray to stop that Chaos:laugh:

:laugh::lol::2thumbsup:clap:

[gatch]

Come ooonnn just a peak..

[ducatilover]

Nah, he's full of poo. :mellow:

[chaos rider]

Nah, he's full of poo. :mellow:

:motu: well i bought some cheap ratlers and paid for it took a day to cure each fairing and i havent JUST painted them i did some simple grafix. well there done so ill chuck on tomorow and take a pic thankyou for being patiant.. gfys.

in other news the guy i did the fairing mods with has hooked me up with an engine and haeds specialast so ill get my carbs done soon. see how much they want, to much and it can wait till i go to aus. no point spending 100 on carb mods here only to go to aus an it turns to shit with the dif weather, alt ect..

[ducatilover]

:motu: well i bought some cheap ratlers and paid for it took a day to cure each fairing and i havent JUST painted them i did some simple grafix. well there done so ill chuck on tomorow and take a pic thankyou for being patiant.. gfys.

in other news the guy i did the fairing mods with has hooked me up with an engine and haeds specialast so ill get my carbs done soon. see how much they want, to much and it can wait till i go to aus. no point spending 100 on carb mods here only to go to aus an it turns to shit with the dif weather, alt ect..
We will hold you to that dear child. You may spend a bit more than $100 on carb mods. As far as I am aware there is a dynojet kit for your bike, may be worth looking at one of them, or getting them custom done, the problem with custom jobs is you only have one set of jets so if they fuck them you're screwed. Will be good to see the bike up and going, ignoring all the shit I give you I am actually curious to see how good you can make a pile of shit. :Punk:

[chaos rider]

We will hold you to that dear child. You may spend a bit more than $100 on carb mods. As far as I am aware there is a dynojet kit for your bike, may be worth looking at one of them, or getting them custom done, the problem with custom jobs is you only have one set of jets so if they fuck them you're screwed. Will be good to see the bike up and going, ignoring all the shit I give you I am actually curious to see how good you can make a pile of shit. :Punk:

thanks

na the main reasen they took so long was inexpieriance and bad quality paint. i work for a plastic welder on and off, hes also a good friend so i went and did my mods with him. needless to say it was a big learning expieriance.

um it should be a set of customs for around 200 but im not sure if i should till after i go to aus.

just have to tiedy my room and put the fairings back on the bike so ill have the pics up before 4 if not tonightwhen i get back from work

edit: the specialist is an old freind of petes ( the plastic welder) and he said he could do them for me with some help and free labour and 200 lol but i leave with a set of custom mods and some knowledge and exp from a pro/legend

[SS90]

thanks


just have to tiedy my room

I can't resist this........


Bahahahahahahahahha!

I JUST HAVE TO TIDY MY ROOM!


whahahahahahahha!

Did the dog also eat your home work?

[chaos rider]

I can't resist this........


Bahahahahahahahahha!

I JUST HAVE TO TIDY MY ROOM!


whahahahahahahha!

Did the dog also eat your home work?

do you live with your parents?
lol

[Slyer]

His parents are sponsoring his racing career by proving accomdation.
Clearly you are too much of a tard to realise this.

[chaos rider]

His parents are sponsoring his racing career by proving accomdation.
Clearly you are too much of a tard to realise this.

sad but so true
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/album.php?albumid=1251
enjoy

[Slyer]

Dude the badge on your triple clamp still says GT250R not GT250P
I suggest you rectify this immediately.

[kunoichi]

EEEP! i thought i was just in one of those shots!! :P me and my stumpy legs!

[sil3nt]

EEEP! i thought i was just in one of those shots!! :P me and my stumpy legs!ATGATT <_<


I was expecting a bloody race livery not a repaint. Must have mis-read something somewhere :shifty:

[Ooky]

the front actually doesn't look too bad:2thumbsup

[DarkLord]

Will be interested to see if it still pulls power wheelies in every gear as it apparently used to.

[chaos rider]

Will be interested to see if it still pulls power wheelies in every gear as it apparently used to.

i have trouble keeping the wheel down on take off now, getting good at.

[DarkLord]

i have trouble keeping the wheel down on take off now, getting good at.

Youtube video or it didn't happen.

[DELLORTO]

i have trouble keeping the wheel down on take off now, getting good at.

have you raced yet?
hers a tip for starting
dont twist your throttle back and forth, twist it to half throttle and realease the clutch so you can feel it bighting, then you the flag goes, drop the clutch {or release slowly} and pull back accelerator full,

[chaos rider]

have you raced yet?
hers a tip for starting
dont twist your throttle back and forth, twist it to half throttle and realease the clutch so you can feel it bighting, then you the flag goes, drop the clutch {or release slowly} and pull back accelerator full,

its actualy rev it to the torque band (8.5k-9k) and hold it there release clutch till it bites wait till flag drops 1/4 release more pin the throtle see if its climbing out from under you, if not release the rest.

i know how to take off, i practise it a fair bit. now i need to learn how to ride it faster then ive ever riddin it before

thanks though

[DELLORTO]

its actualy rev it to the torque band (8.5k-9k) and hold it there release clutch till it bites wait till flag drops 1/4 release more pin the throtle see if its climbing out from under you, if not release the rest.

i know how to take off, i practise it a fair bit. now i need to learn how to ride it faster then ive ever riddin it before

first of all i learnt that from an expirienced racer....... ive done alot more racing then you and i know what works and what dosnt work

you shouldnt dis peoples advice when your a novice or you'll be going it wrong forever....

[chaos rider]

first of all i learnt that from an expirienced racer....... ive done alot more racing then you and i know what works and what dosnt work

you shouldnt dis peoples advice when your a novice or you'll be going it wrong forever....

i can say the same mate and i wasnt dissing you

i was just telling you what i learnt from an experiennced racer too
so do you know where your optimal torque band is for your bike in first gear?

[DELLORTO]

i can say the same mate and i wasnt dissing you

i was just telling you what i learnt from an experiennced racer too
so do you know where your optimal torque band is for your bike in first gear?

i dont have a bloody rev counter!! lol.....:clap: not many of us f4 guys have them....we just learn to race without them

but my exhaust is very very loud so i just listen to the engine and when its crisp and torquey i keep i there,

[chaos rider]

i dont have a bloody rev counter!! lol.....:clap: not many of us f4 guys have them....we just learn to race without them

but my exhaust is very very loud so i just listen to the engine and when its crisp and torquey i keep i there,

lol true good on yeah

[sil3nt]

i dont have a bloody rev counter!! lol.....:clap: not many of us f4 guys have them....we just learn to race without them

but my exhaust is very very loud so i just listen to the engine and when its crisp and torquey i keep i there,Your doing it wrong! Your meant to smell the exhaust to find the peak torque :rolleyes:

[chaos rider]

Your doing it wrong! Your meant to smell the exhaust to find the peak torque :rolleyes:

no thats for the fuel/air mix
to get the torque you need to put your head against the back wheel and with some rope and a bit of wood do a burn out.
lol

[NSR-Dan]

ZXR has 4 cylinders!

just take the sparkplugs out of 2 of them lol :clap:

[NSR-Dan]

the division of power over weight

the 150 2's have 26hp over 98kg- so 1 / 3.7
the hyosung has 36hp (my one) over 170 (wet) -- so 1 / 4.2

power to weight the hyosung has more power to weight

but the 150 will probably faster in the corners.


I thought he added 16hp by doing that fuel tap mod??

[DELLORTO]

I thought he added 16hp by doing that fuel tap mod??

doubt it....... although 36hp form a 250cc v-twin is pretty unrealistic

it would be around 26- 28hp at the rear wheel

[NSR-Dan]

36hp is deffinatly achievable, however this would involve increasing compression by head milling, or bowled pistons, bigger carbs and possibly tuned for av gas.

Ive managed to get 13hp at the wheel out of a 90hp single 4stroke, however i dont like to go off figures from dyno's as they are never consistant with other dyno's and at the end of the day its really just a tuning tool.

Anyway chaos's statement is wrong.
26hp over 98kg- 1 / 3.7 1hp for 3.7kgs
hyosung has 36hp (his one) over 170 (wet) -- 1 / 4.2, 1hp for 4.2kgs

that mean the 150's have a better power to weight ratio, going by chaos's statement, its more like the hyobag has a better weight to poer ratio.

[DELLORTO]

36hp is deffinatly achievable, however this would involve increasing compression by head milling, or bowled pistons, bigger carbs and possibly tuned for av gas.

Ive managed to get 13hp at the wheel out of a 90hp single 4stroke, however i dont like to go off figures from dyno's as they are never consistant with other dyno's and at the end of the day its really just a tuning tool.

Anyway chaos's statement is wrong.
26hp over 98kg- 1 / 3.7 1hp for 3.7kgs
hyosung has 36hp (his one) over 170 (wet) -- 1 / 4.2, 1hp for 4.2kgs

that mean the 150's have a better power to weight ratio, going by chaos's statement, its more like the hyobag has a better weight to poer ratio.

id rather a hyoslut over a rg150 anyday tho.......rg150's look sort of dated

[Slyer]

id rather a hyoslut over a rg150 anyday tho.......rg150's look sort of dated
I wouldn't mind one of these.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=225198673

[DELLORTO]

I wouldn't mind one of these.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=225198673

yer ive sat on that bike......its quite nice but no where as nice as the aprillia rs125.......:drool:

[ducatilover]

I would punch the guy who painted your bike in the mouth, it's made of orange peel! There is a huge crack in the paint along the front edge of where they have glassed over the seat. Where it was masked off to be matte black painted with spray cans is shit, and the pattern on the seat is not symmetrical. Not a very good job sorry dude, but it would look nice from 10ft away or when it's going round the track with the pegs slammed into the deck :clap:

[ducatilover]

doubt it....... although 36hp form a 250cc v-twin is pretty unrealistic

it would be around 26- 28hp at the rear wheel My hond-duh was making 34hp at the wheel.


its actualy rev it to the torque band (8.5k-9k) and hold it there release clutch till it bites wait till flag drops 1/4 release more pin the throtle see if its climbing out from under you, if not release the rest.

i know how to take off, i practise it a fair bit. now i need to learn how to ride it faster then ive ever riddin it before

thanks though That's wrong Chaos, try it with a stop watch. Strain on the gears and shafts, ignition timing and air/fuel mixture is wrong, it's slower. I'm on a drag crew, we have raced everything between all of us, it's slower and bad for it. Same as loading up the gears in a car....:rolleyes: When will people learn this?

[Hiflyer]

My hond-duh was making 34hp at the wheel.

That's wrong Chaos, try it with a stop watch. Strain on the gears and shafts, ignition timing and air/fuel mixture is wrong, it's slower. I'm on a drag crew, we have raced everything between all of us, it's slower and bad for it. Same as loading up the gears in a car....:rolleyes: When will people learn this?

so WWJD then?

[ducatilover]

so WWJD then?

:dodge: What does that mean?

[Hiflyer]

:dodge: What does that mean?

what would jesus do :P :clap:

[ducatilover]

what would jesus do :P :clap:

That made me ROFL!!!! :first::clap::lol:
He wouldn't load up the gears....

[Hiflyer]

That made me ROFL!!!! :first::clap::lol:
He wouldn't load up the gears....

Haha I saw this just now and thought it was appropriate for this thread

[ducatilover]

Haha I saw this just now and thought it was appropriate for this thread

:headbang::headbang::headbang:

[chaos rider]

My hond-duh was making 34hp at the wheel.

That's wrong Chaos, try it with a stop watch. Strain on the gears and shafts, ignition timing and air/fuel mixture is wrong, it's slower. I'm on a drag crew, we have raced everything between all of us, it's slower and bad for it. Same as loading up the gears in a car....:rolleyes: When will people learn this?

i dont know where you go to learn or do your shit but ive heard nothing but stupidity roll out of your mouth.

ive also been there done that and so for if it came down to it you would loose hands down.

why dose a bumblebee fly?

[ducatilover]

i dont know where you go to learn or do your shit but ive heard nothing but stupidity roll out of your mouth.

ive also been there done that and so for if it came down to it you would loose hands down.

why dose a bumblebee fly?

I have more experience than you Chaos dear boy. Our team has tested all our cars/bikes off the lights on the strip trying to find the fastest way to launch all of them, most were more than .2s slower loading up the trans and driveline. They just bog down. Although the sudden take up when the clutch really bites down does feel fast it is not. I am more than happy to line you up, or you could line any of us up? Any vehicle, maybe yours on the drag strip and we will see who is faster? You need to try REAL tests, not sniffing the exhaust or geussing your power, dyno and a drag strip show how much power and how good your launch technique is. The only vehicles that go faster when holding the brake and bringing the engine revs up are automatics that have a trans brake or launch control, these do not load up the drive line though, act more like a clutch instead of having a high stall converter. But, that may be irrelevant, the fact that you are full of confidence [good thing] but also crammed full of ego does not help. :dodge: Microsoft spell check may also be a great investment. A bumble bee flies because that is the most efficient way it can travel a relatively large distance in the shortest amount of time, also allowing it to access the insides of flowers to extract whatever he may please. How is that relevant? :(:lol:

[Hiflyer]

2 things... wtf is loading the gears and 2ndly WWJD off the line?? haha whats the fastest way to take off from the line?

[rachprice]

id rather a hyoslut over a rg150 anyday tho.......rg150's look sort of dated

Oh hell no!

What RGs may lack in the looks department (I think they look cool) they make up for it in the amount of fun they are to ride!

[ducatilover]

2 things... wtf is loading the gears and 2ndly WWJD off the line?? haha whats the fastest way to take off from the line?
Loading it up is releasing the clutch slightly so it drags on the flywheel and puts an excessive load on the drive train, when doing that your ignition timing and fueling is not correct as the engine is acting like it is pulling a load and will "bog" down off the line, if it pulls a wheelie that is because the clutch has been dumped too quick [we are talking 250cc still :clap: ]
Jesus would ideally bring a hyo up over peak torque and try to have the bike or cage rolling and hitting peak torque when the clutch has gripped the flywheel properly, not spitting shafts and gear teeth all over the road.....:rolleyes:

[chaos rider]

Loading it up is releasing the clutch slightly so it drags on the flywheel and puts an excessive load on the drive train, when doing that your ignition timing and fueling is not correct as the engine is acting like it is pulling a load and will "bog" down off the line, if it pulls a wheelie that is because the clutch has been dumped too quick [we are talking 250cc still :clap: ]
Jesus would ideally bring a hyo up over peak torque and try to have the bike or cage rolling and hitting peak torque when the clutch has gripped the flywheel properly, not spitting shafts and gear teeth all over the road.....:rolleyes:

find me a fly wheel in a hyosung and ill start listening to you

and no one knows why a bumble bee flys, its wings are too small and as far as physics are concerned it shouldnt

i dont care what my spelling is like i have more important things to worry about. like trying to teach you that you know nothing about the hyosung and you need to shut up and go take one apart.

[Crasherfromwayback]

find me a fly wheel in a hyosung and ill start listening to you

.

Try the left side of the crank.

[kave]

and no one knows why a bumble bee flys, its wings are too small and as far as physics are concerned it shouldnt
Actually, that is an urban myth. Science knows how the bumblebee can fly (and has known since 2001), it can fly because its wings encounter dynamic stall in every oscillation cycle.

[R6_kid]

and no one knows why a bumble bee flys, its wings are too small and as far as physics are concerned it shouldnt

Did they tell you that at church? The invention of the highspeed camera and a knowledge of aerodynamics will tell you why a bumble bee flies.

If physics says that the bumble bee shouldn't fly then it wouldn't - the laws of physics are not easily broken, infact their almost impossible to break, if you do manage to break one of those laws then be sure to speak up - you'll be in line for a nobel prize.

[DELLORTO]

Try the left side of the crank.

haha yer i guess thats where you would look......:woohoo:

im guessing mr.hyosung owner dosnt know to much about engines


chaos rider have you RACED the bike yet?

[Hiflyer]

chaos rider have you RACED the bike yet?

His name's not chaos racer...

so don't get your hopes up

[chaos rider]

Try the left side of the crank.

um no there is no flywheel. ive checked my service manual and there is NO fly wheel.

infact my dad can only name 4 bikes that do have one. bikes dont generally have them. due to, they dont need them!

purpose of a flywheel is to store kinetic energy for when large amounts of resistance is encounterd (taking off from a standstil) to prevent the engine from stalling. so you mainly see them on cars and very big bikes. bikes dont have this problem because their power output is greater than the resistance they would encounter.

and i dont have a "bogging" down problem my rear wheel is lighting up half the time and my front one gets carried a few metres before i change gear.
but yes your right in most cases ducatilover you do take the revs above peak torque. but its not needed on mine (ive tied and all i did was burn out for a second or two before she took off

[Ooky]

what would jesus do :P :clap:

be so annoying you would want to nail him to a cross?:innocent:

[Crasherfromwayback]

um no there is no flywheel. ive checked my service manual and there is NO fly wheel.

infact my dad can only name 4 bikes that do have one. bikes dont generally have them. due to, they dont need them!



Then he's as blind and as simple as you are. Even my Moto-x bike has one...as they all do! Look under Rotor.

[Hiflyer]

As Slyer said a while back. If you can do a burnout on a 250 with no front break you probably need new tires :P

[Ooky]

you say that like there is a problem with the hyo's OEM tyres :clap:

[gatch]

um no there is no flywheel.

You are taking the piss aye, if your dad can only name 4 bikes with a flywheel, then he only knows of 4 bikes, even moto gp bikes have a fly wheel.

[NSR-Dan]

um no there is no flywheel. ive checked my service manual and there is NO fly wheel.

infact my dad can only name 4 bikes that do have one. bikes dont generally have them. due to, they dont need them!

purpose of a flywheel is to store kinetic energy for when large amounts of resistance is encounterd (taking off from a standstil) to prevent the engine from stalling. so you mainly see them on cars and very big bikes. bikes dont have this problem because their power output is greater than the resistance they would encounter.

and i dont have a "bogging" down problem my rear wheel is lighting up half the time and my front one gets carried a few metres before i change gear.
but yes your right in most cases ducatilover you do take the revs above peak torque. but its not needed on mine (ive tied and all i did was burn out for a second or two before she took off

Did your father name the NSR, it has a flywheel, so does my scooter, and my friends Ninja 250, CRb, Ducati, are you sure he didnt mean that there are only 4 bikes that dont have a flywheel.

Also the Hyobag GT250r does indead have a flywheel, which anyone with basic engine knowledge should know, you will find the part number is 32102HJ8200 in the GT250R Parts Catalogue.
link to the parts catalogue is
http://www.epfguzzi.com/hyosung/manuals/gt_250r_parts_catalogue.pdf

[DELLORTO]

fly-whels balance the motor and give it torque.......


please chaos rider your realy making yourself out to be an idiot........
stop pretending you are a professional racer and stop pretending you know about motors when you dont even think bikes have flywheels!!!

[Ragingrob]

Lololololololol

wait


LOLOLOLOLOL!

[Harvd]

Ooooh ive figured it out, He is just taking the piss


(i hope he is...)

otherwise I want vids of these burnouts and wheelying from a whopping 36!!!!! claimed hp. I was on a rgv250 yesterday and it was only feeling light at top revs full throttle in 1st. (read not wheelying)

[SS90]

Oh no.

It's happening again.

1) Chaos rider, your bike has a flywheel.

what you and your dad are getting confused with is on a car, the clutch is PART of the flywheel (which is a large plate, surrounded by a gear, which allows a starter motor to turn it when you turn the key.

so, a car "flywheel" is 1) a large rotating mass to store kinetic energy between the 720 deg of engine rotation that a 4 stroke has

2) a large steel clutch plate

3) a starter gear

All in one

Motorcycles that have the same system are

MotoGuzzi,BMW's, and Arial's.

Every engine has some sort of flywheel.

Your Hyosung does. The "Flywheel" has 3 functions.

1) a large mass to stroke Kinetic energy between the 720 Deg of engine rotation between each cylinders power strokes

2) it holds the magnets of your rotor (part of your charging system) on the inside

3) it has the trigger points for your ignition.

In the quest for more acceleration (at the cost of low RPM torque) many racers will remove the flywheel, (and build a trigger wheel for ignition), the resulting loss of rotating mass will allow the engine to rev out faster, but is only suitable for HIGH REVVING 4 CYLINDER bikes (not your Hyosung)

It's a Vtwin, it needs to store kinetic energy between it's firing strokes, and also it is a low revving engine.

The ideal weight of your flywheel is a function of it's number of cylinders (how many times the engine fires in 360 deg of crank rotation (4 cylinder engines obviously fire more times on a given number of crank rotations, but, because each cylinder is smaller, the power stroke is weaker than the equivilent 2 cylinder (2 125cc cylinders firing each 720 deg) opposed to 4 75cc cylinders firing each 720 deg....... as they say, there is no substitute for revs!

as well as how many degrees apart each cylinder fires, for example, (in the case of a vtwin), do the cylinders fire at the same time, or 180 deg apart?

fire at the same time, you need a heavier fly wheel (and an engine set up that makes the most advantage of the available torque) fire 180 deg apart, and you are better suited to an engine set up that is higher revving...........

In short, essentially EVERY SINGLE INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINE HAS A FLYWHEEL.

I hope that helps.

On a personal not Chaos, to learn something first you must admit you don't know anything.

Enthusiasm is a great thing that comes with youth!

[ducatilover]

find me a fly wheel in a hyosung and ill start listening to you

and no one knows why a bumble bee flys, its wings are too small and as far as physics are concerned it shouldnt

i dont care what my spelling is like i have more important things to worry about. like trying to teach you that you know nothing about the hyosung and you need to shut up and go take one apart. I'll find it, it's what your clutch grips. You and your Father are in desperate need of some education. As I said, been there done that Dear child. I make the most of my time by trying to pass on information I have acquired through the experiences I have had, to dim witted twats like yourself.


Try the left side of the crank. No kidding....


Actually, that is an urban myth. Science knows how the bumblebee can fly (and has known since 2001), it can fly because its wings encounter dynamic stall in every oscillation cycle. Also I true.


um no there is no flywheel. ive checked my service manual and there is NO fly wheel.

infact my dad can only name 4 bikes that do have one. bikes dont generally have them. due to, they dont need them!

purpose of a flywheel is to store kinetic energy for when large amounts of resistance is encounterd (taking off from a standstil) to prevent the engine from stalling. so you mainly see them on cars and very big bikes. bikes dont have this problem because their power output is greater than the resistance they would encounter.

and i dont have a "bogging" down problem my rear wheel is lighting up half the time and my front one gets carried a few metres before i change gear.
but yes your right in most cases ducatilover you do take the revs above peak torque. but its not needed on mine (ive tied and all i did was burn out for a second or two before she took off Your bike can NOT do a wheelie and skid at the same time. My bros650 was not a very powerful bike, only made 60 odd hp at the wheel after the jetting and exhaust was on her, I ran an 11.8@183km/h on her and it didn't wheelspin once from a launch nor did it need to lift the front much at all. With the whole 24nm your pathetic and asthmatic bike makes I very much doubt it would wheelie or wheelspin from a launch, especially if you load the gears up like an idiot.


Oh no.

It's happening again.

Shortened your post, you as usual are right. I agree completely :rockon:

Now I must hop in my 73 bmw I have tuned with my nose, it has no flywheel and does great donuts in 5th gear even though it's really a four speed. I include a picture to prove it's awesome and really like got no flywheel and it made the bumble bee fly.

Stop being a fuck wit and listen Chaos.

[R6_kid]

Because real-estate in bike engines is scarce they usually try to save space by combining parts that do a similar jobs. The fuel and water pumps sometimes share the same housing for instance. In most/many/nearly all bikes the rotor is incorporated into the flywheel, generating electricity by spinning magnets around the stator (winding of electrical wires) as well as keeping the motor spinning. On a car the flywheel does it's job by itself, while a belt drives the alternator to generate electricity for the car.

[RDjase]

Will your bike be race ready for Nov 1st chaos, Have you got 1 piece leathers or 2 piece that zips together(1 piece is better), a back brace ,and can you get a MNZ day license from AMCC or do you need to get one( club $75? or full $125?) of MNZ , you want good gloves with armour on the knuckles and race boots too, road boots dont handle the abuse they get on the track, when you come off(which we all do) its amazing were your gear gets marked and were you contact the track, i wrecked the zip on the inside of my left boot, dont know how but you can see were the inpact was and it was a slow low side. GET GOOD GEAR ! Have fun and go hard Chaos, shame i wont be there, will be doing the Post classic GP onr Oct 31st and Bike Rider Magizine Summer series 1st Round (Pacific club) the day after , both at Taupo

My bike(s) all have flywheels/rotors , maybe its just not called a flywheel in the husung book


EDIT http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=105966 October 4th is the new date for AMCC round, C u at Taupo on Nov 1st chaos, 5 and a half weeks to go before Puke

[ajturbo]

Now I must hop in my 73 bmw I have tuned with my nose, it has no flywheel and does great donuts in 5th gear even though it's really a four speed. I include a picture to prove it's awesome and really like got no flywheel and it made the bumble bee fly.

Stop being a fuck wit and listen Chaos.

hey duatilover... i hope you know that they are NOT tractors!!!!

someone sold you a NONtractor.....

sorry to break this news matey:eek5:

[Str8 Jacket]

Maybe you're on to something Chaos Rider, rebuilds could be sooo much easier without a fly-wheel. I should take mine off.

[Brett]

um no there is no flywheel. ive checked my service manual and there is NO fly wheel.

infact my dad can only name 4 bikes that do have one. bikes dont generally have them. due to, they dont need them!

purpose of a flywheel is to store kinetic energy for when large amounts of resistance is encounterd (taking off from a standstil) to prevent the engine from stalling. so you mainly see them on cars and very big bikes. bikes dont have this problem because their power output is greater than the resistance they would encounter.

and i dont have a "bogging" down problem my rear wheel is lighting up half the time and my front one gets carried a few metres before i change gear.
but yes your right in most cases ducatilover you do take the revs above peak torque. but its not needed on mine (ive tied and all i did was burn out for a second or two before she took off

LOOOOOOOOOOOL....LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

BAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA AHHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA....................

Sorry mate, but that really is funny!

Also, your weight quoted for the items where you have reduce mass, some of those seem incredibly high. DId you weigh them?

[R6_kid]

DId you weigh them?

On kitchen scales. Yes, im serious.

[retro asian]

DId you weigh them?


He probably licked them, and tasted the exact weights...

(a bit harder than smell-tuning the bike mind you)

[chaos rider]

Will your bike be race ready for Nov 1st chaos, Have you got 1 piece leathers or 2 piece that zips together(1 piece is better), a back brace ,and can you get a MNZ day license from AMCC or do you need to get one( club $75? or full $125?) of MNZ , you want good gloves with armour on the knuckles and race boots too, road boots dont handle the abuse they get on the track, when you come off(which we all do) its amazing were your gear gets marked and were you contact the track, i wrecked the zip on the inside of my left boot, dont know how but you can see were the inpact was and it was a slow low side. GET GOOD GEAR ! Have fun and go hard Chaos, shame i wont be there, will be doing the Post classic GP onr Oct 31st and Bike Rider Magizine Summer series 1st Round (Pacific club) the day after , both at Taupo

My bike(s) all have flywheels/rotors , maybe its just not called a flywheel in the husung book


EDIT http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=105966 October 4th is the new date for AMCC round, C u at Taupo on Nov 1st chaos, 5 and a half weeks to go before Puke

puke nov 1st? or is it now at taupo? and ill be at puke THIS sunday

[DELLORTO]

puke nov 1st? or is it now at taupo? and ill be at puke THIS sunday

do the PMCC summer series on the 1st of november.......

ill be racing street stock it should be great!

[chaos rider]

oh yeah whats the purpose of the balencing weights and the crank?

and um if you mean alternater (rotor) then no it by no means double as a flywheel. that is purely stupid. do you know what the draw on and alternater is? it would not work

[mossy1200]

oh yeah whats the purpose of the balencing weights and the crank?

and um if you mean alternater (rotor) then no it by no means double as a flywheel. that is purely stupid. do you know what the draw on and alternater is? it would not work
Thats a flywheel.It contains the rotor magnets.Your windings stay still and the rotor turns inducing current to charge your battery.One item with two tasks.No flywheel no idle.Lighter the flywheel the higher the required idle to keep the bike going(race fly wheels can be obtained that dont include rotor for total loss race bikes).
http://www.kawasakimotorcycle.org/forum/attachments/mechanics-corner/20607d1214236780-en500-vulcan-1991-flywheel-defect-flywheel.jpg

[chaos rider]

Thats a flywheel.It contains the rotor magnets.Your windings stay still and the rotor turns inducing current to charge your battery.One item with two tasks.No flywheel no idle.Lighter the flywheel the higher the required idle to keep the bike going(race fly wheels can be obtained that dont include rotor for total loss race bikes).
http://www.kawasakimotorcycle.org/forum/attachments/mechanics-corner/20607d1214236780-en500-vulcan-1991-flywheel-defect-flywheel.jpg

yes. but it cannot work as a flywheel, the draw from the windings would just ablitorate any stored kenetic energy. it works like a flywheel but not for the engine. so ill say it again bikes dont have flywheels your all miss informed.

[DELLORTO]

yes. but it cannot work as a flywheel, the draw from the windings would just ablitorate any stored kenetic energy. it works like a flywheel but not for the engine. so ill say it again bikes dont have flywheels your all miss informed.

if bikes dont have flywheels then how come my FXR150R has one?? ive looked ans seen it.....

[chaos rider]

if bikes dont have flywheels then how come my FXR150R has one?? ive looked ans seen it.....

do you mean the rotor? no it does not work as a flywheel. IT IS AN ALTERNATER. not a flywheel

i will continue to repeat myself intill someone figures out what im trying to explane or you all give up and go away and let me use this thread for its intended purpose (organize enough people for a prolight class)

[RDjase]

puke nov 1st? or is it now at taupo? and ill be at puke THIS sunday

Puke is Oct 4th, AMCC round 1 , Nov 1st Taupo PMCC Round 1

What are you doing a puke? is it a track day, It will be good for to get some laps in a sort your bike, Have you got your riding gear all sorted?

[mossy1200]

yes. but it cannot work as a flywheel, the draw from the windings would just ablitorate any stored kenetic energy. it works like a flywheel but not for the engine. so ill say it again bikes dont have flywheels your all miss informed.

Are you still sniffing the exaust fumes.Your now telling an electrician that the induced magnetism of your alternator is greater than the force of the rotating mass of your flywheel.If this is the case you may need more than 36hp to win a race since your generating enough energy in you alternator to charge your battery and run tyre warmers and boil the jug at lunchtime.

[RDjase]

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...d.php?t=105966
Go to here chaos , its about the date change for the AMCC rounds so they dont clash with the PMCC series

www.pacclub.co.nz for series details

[chaos rider]

Are you still sniffing the exaust fumes.Your now telling an electrician that the induced magnetism of your alternator is greater than the force of the rotating mass of your flywheel.If this is the case you may need more than 36hp to win a race since your generating enough energy in you alternator to charge your battery and run tyre warmers and boil the jug at lunchtime.

no not more then the torqe of the "mass of alominium that weighs around 1.5kgs and holds maby half a torque on its own" but enough guase to make it usles as a flywheel"

and my dad is an electrical engineer and a sparky for the last 25+ years so yeah im telling YOU somthing.

im not here to hurt egos but so far youve all talked and said
"I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT BIKES"

oh it does "say" flywheel in that catalog but its NOT a flywheel

[DELLORTO]

Are you still sniffing the exaust fumes.Your now telling an electrician that the induced magnetism of your alternator is greater than the force of the rotating mass of your flywheel.If this is the case you may need more than 36hp to win a race since your generating enough energy in you alternator to charge your battery and run tyre warmers and boil the jug at lunchtime.

lol hes pissing me off too!!! ive seen the FLYWHEEL with my two own eyes!!!

[chaos rider]

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...d.php?t=105966
Go to here chaos , its about the date change for the AMCC rounds so they dont clash with the PMCC series

www.pacclub.co.nz for series details

i dont see how it clashes, the amcc round one is nov 1st at puki. or do some riders compeat in both club series?

[RDjase]

i dont see how it clashes, the amcc round one is nov 1st at puki. or do some riders compeat in both club series?

Pacific club round is at taupo Nov 1st , and the AMCC round WAS at puke nov 1st

AMCC has changed to oct 4th so the rounds dont clash , as per that link chaos , you will be shit out of luck if you go to do AMCC round 1 on Nov1st , you dont want to miss your race day

Yes , some riders do race at both series, Taupo track 2( the new section) is bloody awesome

[chaos rider]

Pacific club round is at taupo Nov 1st , and the AMCC round WAS at puke nov 1st

AMCC has changed to oct 4th so the rounds dont clash , as per that link chaos , you will be shit out of luck if you go to do AMCC round 1 on Nov1st , you dont want to miss your race day

Yes , some riders do race at both series, Taupo track 2( the new section) is bloody awesome

ok thanks for the heads up, strange that the clubs organize with each other.

thats good tough i get to do a race and anouther track day befor i leave for aus

[mossy1200]

no not more then the torqe of the "mass of alominium that weighs around 1.5kgs and holds maby half a torque on its own" but enough guase to make it usles as a flywheel"

and my dad is an electrical engineer and a sparky for the last 25+ years so yeah im telling YOU somthing.

im not here to hurt egos but so far youve all talked and said
"I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT BIKES"

oh it does "say" flywheel in that catalog but its NOT a flywheel
If he hasnt got the gist of it after 25years then he should consider a new line of work and stop giving you advice on motorcycle engines.

[mossy1200]

This thread should be moved to the JOKES and HUMOUR section.

[Str8 Jacket]

This thread should be moved to the JOKES and HUMOUR section.

AYE! Chaos Rider has to be an alter ego. No one can be this daft!

[SS90]

"I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT BIKES"

oh it does "say" flywheel in that catalog but its NOT a flywheel


Chaosrider, you need to start admitting when you are wrong........no one laughs at someone when they admit they where wrong, but 90% of the world will take the piss out of someone who can't concede when they made a mistake.

Your only young, you have heaps to learn.

[Ooky]

Your bike can NOT do a wheelie and skid at the same time. My bros650 was not a very powerful bike, only made 60 odd hp at the wheel after the jetting and exhaust was on her, I ran an 11.8@183km/h on her and it didn't wheelspin once from a launch nor did it need to lift the front much at all. With the whole 24nm your pathetic and asthmatic bike makes I very much doubt it would wheelie or wheelspin from a launch, especially if you load the gears up like an idiot.



maybe the hyo cant in standard form but with the extra hp and all the mass removed from the front (ie the cast lead headlight) the bike with my surging towards the sky easily :shutup:
more power at the back less mass at the front its not a race bike as much as a stunt bike!:rockon:

[Ragingrob]

maybe the hyo cant in standard form but with the extra hp and all the mass removed from the front (ie the cast lead headlight) the bike with my surging towards the sky easily :shutup:
more power at the back less mass at the front its not a race bike as much as a stunt bike!:rockon:

With no flywheel I dunno how good a stunt bike it'd be either :sweatdrop

[mossy1200]

With no flywheel I dunno how good a stunt bike it'd be either :sweatdrop
Idle is set at 6000rpm(note also redline).Only they brave or insane could handle this beast.We all wonder which one is Chaos.:gob:

[NSR-Dan]

do you mean the rotor? no it does not work as a flywheel. IT IS AN ALTERNATER. not a flywheel

i will continue to repeat myself intill someone figures out what im trying to explane or you all give up and go away and let me use this thread for its intended purpose (organize enough people for a prolight class)



"I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT BIKES"

oh it does "say" flywheel in that catalog but its NOT a flywheel

Maybe you should recheck the hyosung service manual. they call the rotor a flywheel and they built the damn thing.

A Rotor is a flywheel, same thing 2 names. Honestly who do you believe, your dad or the bloddy manufacturer. if they call it a flywheel then its a flywheel.

[Slyer]

Chaosrider, you need to start admitting when you are wrong........no one laughs at someone when they admit they where wrong, but 90% of the world will take the piss out of someone who can't concede when they made a mistake.

Your only young, you have heaps to learn.
This man speaks the truth.
An items is labelled based on what it can do, if generates electricity as well as acting as a flywheel it's still a flywheel.

[Hiflyer]

The ignorance just pisses me off!

[gatch]

He is right, it can't be a fly wheel, it has not wings or tyres on it..

[ducatilover]

yes. but it cannot work as a flywheel, the draw from the windings would just ablitorate any stored kenetic energy. it works like a flywheel but not for the engine. so ill say it again bikes dont have flywheels your all miss informed. The draw from the windings? How the fuck would that obliterate any kinetic energy? It is a flywheel, get over yourself.


do you mean the rotor? no it does not work as a flywheel. IT IS AN ALTERNATER. not a flywheel

i will continue to repeat myself intill someone figures out what im trying to explane or you all give up and go away and let me use this thread for its intended purpose (organize enough people for a prolight class) :bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash:


no not more then the torqe of the "mass of alominium that weighs around 1.5kgs and holds maby half a torque on its own" but enough guase to make it usles as a flywheel"

and my dad is an electrical engineer and a sparky for the last 25+ years so yeah im telling YOU somthing.

im not here to hurt egos but so far youve all talked and said
"I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT BIKES"

oh it does "say" flywheel in that catalog but its NOT a flywheel Would you like me to help you chaos? I have a flywheel and alternator from a spada sitting in the boot of my car, I can upload some pictures for you? :innocent:

[Hiflyer]

oh it does "say" flywheel in that catalog but its NOT a flywheel

Oh and just cos they "say" you can read doesn't mean you can.

Cos you obviously can't. IF IT SAYS FLYWHEEL ITS A FLYWHEEL

[ducatilover]

Oh and just cos they "say" you can read doesn't mean you can.

Cos you obviously can't. IF IT SAYS FLYWHEEL ITS A FLYWHEEL

:bash: No shiiiiiiit mate? :innocent:

[gatch]

It should look something like this..

[RDjase]

strange that the clubs organize with each other.



Not really chaos, The clubs work together to try and not clash with dates, The PMCC and AMCC dates came out on the same day tho, It will be a big weekend in Taupo Oct31st Post Classic GP and The Pacclub round the next day on track 2, also The have a go Sidechair swinging day is on Track3(old track)

Are you going to enter the Pacclub round?

[chaos rider]

nah ill just take whats closest, im going to aus in december.
so ill just be getting the exp as i can, i might take on a few toupo and hampton rounds and track days to get some verience

[del-solider]

I love the way that every morning i can wake up and sure enough this theard is still going! :clap:

Bring on the lolz :banana:

[ducatilover]

Isn't it brilliant? :first::first:

[gatch]

Not really chaos, The clubs work together to try and not clash with dates, The PMCC and AMCC dates came out on the same day tho, It will be a big weekend in Taupo Oct31st Post Classic GP and The Pacclub round the next day on track 2, also The have a go Sidechair swinging day is on Track3(old track)

Are you going to enter the Pacclub round?

I thought the classics were racing at manfield, or have I got it all wrong and the post classics are seperate from the old old old classics ?

http://www.nzcmrr.com/interest.htm

Edit - Cause I'll be riding a 500 dommie :D I'd hate to turn p at the wrong track haha

[gatch]

nah ill just take whats closest, im going to aus in december.
so ill just be getting the exp as i can, i might take on a few toupo and hampton rounds and track days to get some verience

Don't you mean you will grace the punters with your presence as you see fit champ, also for fuck sakes man, learn to use a spell checker, its a mouse click away, your spelling and grammar is par with a child.

[RDjase]

I thought the classics were racing at manfield, or have I got it all wrong and the post classics are seperate from the old old old classics ?

http://www.nzcmrr.com/interest.htm

Edit - Cause I'll be riding a 500 dommie :D I'd hate to turn p at the wrong track haha

www.nzpostclassics.org.nz is NZ Post Classic Racing Association
www.pacclub.co.nz is Pacific MC Club
I dont think the Classic Register allow Jap Bikes or pre 89

Classic Register has a meeting on at Manfeild this weekend

Are you racing this weekend?

[ducatilover]

Don't you mean you will grace the punters with your presence as you see fit champ, also for fuck sakes man, learn to use a spell checker, its a mouse click away, your spelling and grammar is par with a child.

:clap: Oh how succinct :lol::lol:
Would be cool to see the dommie go chug around

[gatch]

www.nzpostclassics.org.nz is NZ Post Classic Racing Association
www.pacclub.co.nz is Pacific MC Club
I dont think the Classic Register allow Jap Bikes or pre 89

Classic Register has a meeting on at Manfeild this weekend

Are you racing this weekend?

Righto, na mate the bike is still in development, its getting new suspenders all round and a new 4340 steel crank :D

Nov 1st will be my first actual race, I've already got a boner..

Also you should check up as sometimes the classics dudes will allow the post classics, only sometimes though, they are a bit silly when it comes to this I think..

[gatch]

:clap: Oh how succinct :lol::lol:
Would be cool to see the dommie go chug around

You would love it bro, its loud as fuck and bad like chuck norris, if chuck norris has an open 2-1 mega phone that is..

[koba]

You would love it bro, its loud as fuck and bad like chuck norris, if chuck norris has an open 2-1 mega phone that is..

Yummmmmmmmmy!

[mossy1200]

On and on, this thread goes.
Where it will take us,nobody knows.

Chaos has the prototype gt250rr special edition Humburger with no flywheel.

[ducatilover]

You would love it bro, its loud as fuck and bad like chuck norris, if chuck norris has an open 2-1 mega phone that is.. That gives me the horn!!!!!! :first:


On and on, this thread goes.
Where it will take us,nobody knows.

Chaos has the prototype gt250rr special edition Humburger with no flywheel.

hehehehehehe

[RDjase]

Righto, na mate the bike is still in development, its getting new suspenders all round and a new 4340 steel crank :D

Nov 1st will be my first actual race, I've already got a boner..

Also you should check up as sometimes the classics dudes will allow the post classics, only sometimes though, they are a bit silly when it comes to this I think..

You should do The Post classic meeting as well, were susing camping at the track. Pre 72 or what ever class will suit, Your doing the spada/XR repower aye ? i was talking to you and koba on saturday, My LC was getting slower and slower all day, all in bits now, be all ready for Oct31.

Yeah , i know what you mean about the Classic register guys, Post classic and Japanese are dirty words for them , I think they do sometimes allow pre82 tho

[gatch]

You should do The Post classic meeting as well, were susing camping at the track. Pre 72 or what ever class will suit, Your doing the spada/XR repower aye ? i was talking to you and koba on saturday, My LC was getting slower and slower all day, all in bits now, be all ready for Oct31.

Yeah , i know what you mean about the Classic register guys, Post classic and Japanese are dirty words for them , I think they do sometimes allow pre82 tho

The bike is not mine so I would have to do some begging haha, depending on how the race goes, if I'm comfy on the bike etc might see if we can do the whole season next year..
And yeas the xr spada is mine, although I haven't made ANY progress in the last 2 months, debt has been raping me, but its still on the cards.

And just for the record lol, Gatch is not just my kiwibiker alias, everyone calls me that, so hi :) I'm Gatch.

[rachprice]

And just for the record lol, Gatch is not just my kiwibiker alias, everyone calls me that, so hi :) I'm Gatch.

Or homo...everyone calls him that too

[Brett]

This should sort out the whole flywheel thing once and for all.

A Motorcycle Flywheel Assembly...

http://www.dansmc.com/pointsystem.jpg

Thank you.

[RDjase]

The bike is not mine so I would have to do some begging haha, depending on how the race goes, if I'm comfy on the bike etc might see if we can do the whole season next year..
And yeas the xr spada is mine, although I haven't made ANY progress in the last 2 months, debt has been raping me, but its still on the cards.

And just for the record lol, Gatch is not just my kiwibiker alias, everyone calls me that, so hi :) I'm Gatch.

Get the bike for the season mate:banana:



Or homo...everyone calls him that too

Haha, always a wind up on KB lol:Pokey: Are you going to be here for Rd5 Rach?

[RDjase]

yea well theres no point in getting so serious about winning you cant have fun.

A qoute from Ryan Firn about having engine problems at manfeild, great attitude and one that can get lost sometimes , Well done Ryan:2thumbsup

[rachprice]

Get the bike for the season mate:banana:




Haha, always a wind up on KB lol:Pokey: Are you going to be here for Rd5 Rach?

That I am...dunno if I will have a bike though :crybaby:

[gatch]

Or homo...everyone calls him that too

Ignore her, feminists are always making out that men are gay hahaha.


Get the bike for the season mate:banana:

This is my plan, will try make it chris's plan too..

[RDjase]

That I am...dunno if I will have a bike though :crybaby:

I will be at Rd5 , wont be racing tho, Major rebuild on bike happening, and doing my Road bike RD as well, You could use your VFR in F3

[RDjase]

puke nov 1st? or is it now at taupo? and ill be at puke THIS sunday

How was Puke Chaos? Tracks are fun aye:Punk:

[ducatilover]

How was Puke Chaos? Tracks are fun aye:Punk:

Yes, how was puke? Pics and vids please :Punk:

[Reido]

here he is!

[NSR-Dan]

i dont know if its just me but does anyone think his leathers look to big for him??

[ducatilover]

So how did the track day go Chaos? :sunny:

[gatch]

Yeah man, how did it go ?


Did you crack a boner ? I did haha, until the bike blew up, but still, was awesome fun.

[sil3nt]

i bet he did a sub minute lap.

[ducatilover]

i bet he did a sub minute lap.

Nah, the wheel spinning and mono launch from loading up the gears will have fucked every chance of that


Piss take asside, how was it? Anybody?

[Reido]

got there and it was drizzling,
Helmet checks, and bike scrutineering (sp?) etc.
then we did a "walk" around the track, which is very helpful btw.

G4 (advance) went first, then G1 (my group =] ) went after and the track way dry. yay

was great! except there was a que to go though the hairpin lol XD

then it rained for like 2 mins, but was enough to soak the track, and that was the end for me. But I get to go back on Nov 15th.

I was with Dpex and was gonna go on his 600, but i didnt feel comfortable / up to it, riding on a wet track. but get another chance on the 15th woo

otherwise great day, they are very well organised, track/line marshals are very helpful.

[ducatilover]

Sounds like you had a bloody good time dude, much jealous! :rockon:

[RDjase]

Were are you chaos? Everyones waiting for your Track day report.

Are you still at the track?

Your lap times cant be that bad:gob:

[ducatilover]

He ripped a hole in the space time continuum with his bull shit 36hp

[RDjase]

He ripped a hole in the space time continuum with his bull shit 36hp

How do we call DR Who to get him back?

Will a Husung fit in the TARDIS?

[ducatilover]

How do we call DR Who to get him back?

Will a Husung fit in the TARDIS?

Yes...they are very good with tards.....I mean.....:yes:

[Hiflyer]

Yes...they are very good with tards.....I mean.....:yes:

HEY!!! :angry::bash::shit::bye:


:sunny:

[DELLORTO]

He ripped a hole in the space time continuum with his bull shit 36hp

haha i be the old hyobag was at top speed for awhile on puke's 1km straight....lol

[ducatilover]

haha i be the old hyobag was at top speed for awhile on puke's 1km straight....lol
It won't pull more than a true 165km/h with a jet kit and exhaust. And his isn't jetted. Still, be fun to rape the fuck off it

HEY!!! :angry::bash::shit::bye:


:sunny:
hehehehehehehehe :Oops:

[RDjase]

haha i be the old hyobag was at top speed for awhile on puke's 1km straight....lol

1Km , fuck thats long , give me Taupo Track2 , windy as, Track 1 with the long straight is boring, not sure how long it is, no doubt some one will post about it

[mossy1200]

1Km , fuck thats long , give me Taupo Track2 , windy as, Track 1 with the long straight is boring, not sure how long it is, no doubt some one will post about itI like that long Taupo straight.Almost max out.

[ducatilover]

I like that long Taupo straight.Almost max out.

On a real bike?

[Hiflyer]

It won't pull more than a true 165km/h with a jet kit and exhaust. And his isn't jetted. Still, be fun to rape the fuck off it

hehehehehehehehe :Oops:

I've had an INDICATED 178 with an 8% error.

that was down a good hill and me flat as f on the tank.



PS yea thats right fucking 8% error. fuck sakes...

[ducatilover]

I've had an INDICATED 178 with an 8% error.

that was down a good hill and me flat as f on the tank.



PS yea thats right fucking 8% error. fuck sakes...

Told ya so :innocent: Do a dyno and then you will see the theoretical max....
Do I remember Chaos making claims of 190kph?

[mossy1200]

I've had an INDICATED 178 with an 8% error.

that was down a good hill and me flat as f on the tank.



PS yea thats right fucking 8% error. fuck sakes...Raise you a hundred on dyno as no speedo.

[NSR-Dan]

Told ya so :innocent: Do a dyno and then you will see the theoretical max....
Do I remember Chaos making claims of 190kph?

Dynos probably have just as much error as the bike, all depends on how there set up and you will find 1 dyno will always read different to another.

long long straight with a speed gun would be best.