Street Stock 250cc 4-stroke twins

[chaos rider]

Capacity Group.

250 twin cylinder 4-stroke
This class to be called “Production Light”.
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=12596
http://www.motorcyclingnz.co.nz/download/250cc_Prolight_twins_Street_stock%20_May_2009.pdf

the chaos hyo is finished and ready

who else is keen,

[The Pastor]

capacity group.

250 twin cylinder 4-stroke
this class to be called “production light”.
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=12596
http://www.motorcyclingnz.co.nz/download/250cc_prolight_twins_street_stock%20_may_2009.pdf

the chaos hyo is finished and ready

who else is keen,
your not allowed modifications bro, the hyosung gp bike wont be able to enter

[chaos rider]

your not allowed modifications bro, the hyosung gp bike wont be able to enter

read the rules "bro". and by the way hyo hasn't got any mods. its just a pro stock hyo, less the headlights, taillights, indicates and some plastic here and there to bring the weight down. est weight removed 15kg ill post picks when the repairs and mods to the front fairings are done (had to fill in the hole left behind by the headlight).

[ajturbo]

you would have trouble keeping up with the SLOWEST 150 ss....

so why bother?

[Kickaha]

you would have trouble keeping up with the SLOWEST 150 ss....

so why bother?


good onya for the encouragement AJ

[98tls]

Bloody great idea,not just for young fellas either,old farts like myself with not a lot of spare cash could easily get involved.Good cheap fun.

[The Pastor]

read the rules "bro". and by the way hyo hasn't got any mods. its just a pro stock hyo, less the headlights, taillights, indicates and some plastic here and there to bring the weight down. est weight removed 15kg ill post picks when the repairs and mods to the front fairings are done (had to fill in the hole left behind by the headlight).
DIDNT YOU RAISE THE FUEL TANK 5mm AND REMOVE THE FUEL TAP?

[Indiana_Jones]

lol, just when you thought all was safe!

-Indy

[ajturbo]

you guys do realize that this was talked about 3 years ago..........

[koba]

who else is keen,

You do realise you can already race it at the Victoria Motorcycle Club Winter series?

www.vicclub.co.nz

Probably at other club rounds also.

[Slyer]

Could be keen...

[Drew]

you would have trouble keeping up with the SLOWEST 150 ss....

so why bother?

Get a 150 to ride mate, you and I will test that theory aye.:devil2:

On Weavers hyosung 250, with only one handle bar, (I prefer to call it the remote clutch, made it a might tough to tip into left handers), I had a drag race from the lights with Sketchy, and another young fella on rg's, Glen and I were exactly the same speed right through fourth gear. Now that was with a stock can on the hyobag.

Gear it down a couple teeth at the rear, open the pipe, drop a few kilo's, and I'm betting the lap times would be bloody close. Someone lend me one for the next round, I'll take it out in street stock for a laugh. (not that I'm very good on little bikes)

[Slyer]

Get a 150 to ride mate, you and I will test that theory aye.:devil2:

On Weavers hyosung 250, with only one handle bar, (I prefer to call it the remote clutch, made it a might tough to tip into left handers), I had a drag race from the lights with Sketchy, and another young fella on rg's, Glen and I were exactly the same speed right through fourth gear. Now that was with a stock can on the hyobag.

Gear it down a couple teeth at the rear, open the pipe, drop a few kilo's, and I'm betting the lap times would be bloody close. Someone lend me one for the next round, I'll take it out in street stock for a laugh. (not that I'm very good on little bikes)
In a straight line perhaps, but at cornering etc? Doubt it.

[puddytat]

I think its a good idea & there'd be heaps of parts available as they've made about 10 zillion of thum:yes:

[Sidewinder]

should of told me like 2years ago when i had my 250

[Drew]

In a straight line perhaps, but at cornering etc? Doubt it.

There's a lot to be said for superior brakes, suspension, and frame rigidity. Also the rear wheel is wide enough to get a decent tyre on it, (compared to what ya can fit on an RG anyway).

I wanna know how one would go, someone give it a whirl dammit.

[R6_kid]

its just a pro stock hyo, less the headlights, taillights, indicates and some plastic here and there to bring the weight down. est weight removed 15kg ill post picks when the repairs and mods to the front fairings are done (had to fill in the hole left behind by the headlight).

pro stock? What do you mean by this?

Also where is the 15kg disappearing from if you are only removing lights and 'some plastic'?

Like AJ has said, get your licence and start racing with VMCC in 250 streetstock.

[ducatilover]

Mine isn't allowed. You will soon see why.

[ducatilover]

pro stock? What do you mean by this?

Also where is the 15kg disappearing from if you are only removing lights and 'some plastic'?

Like AJ has said, get your licence and start racing with VMCC in 250 streetstock.
Let him be with his class entry. But the -15kg thing is only an estimate....I'd go with 5kg max

There's a lot to be said for superior brakes, suspension, and frame rigidity. Also the rear wheel is wide enough to get a decent tyre on it, (compared to what ya can fit on an RG anyway).

I wanna know how one would go, someone give it a whirl dammit.
I would expect an rg to be a good race with a hyo. But older gpx, vt250f2 and spadas are smaller, gruntier [still shit...] and the hyo doesn't handle that well. I see jetting and slides can be changed. A vt250f2 makes around 33hp at the wheel stock yet a hyo does that at the crank. Silly class if you ask me. :innocent:

[koba]

In a straight line perhaps, but at cornering etc? Doubt it.

In a straight line an RG and hyo are very similar, the hyo being a bit easier to get the best speed from.

My old GSX250 was also similar but had a bit better legs up top BUT to almost the same top speed. (just under the ton sandard)

The cornering of both are limited by GROUND CLEARANCE so 250s twins being heavier isn't really the deciding factor.

This opinion is based on actual first hand, real world experiance.

However I don't know about the spadas etc...

[ajturbo]

to be honest people i have no idea what bike would be faster.....


hahahahhaha

i just thought i would throw this in to see how deep the discussion would be for the pros and cons of this class...

cause i have noticed that, if you say something like i did, a lot of people will FINALLY stand up and say why they think it is a good idea OR not...

so why don't you get your bike out there and RACE it!!!!

come join us at the vic rounds i will personally take an interest in your race!!!

[Taz]

You can't have traction control?? :crazy:

[xwhatsit]

You can't have traction control?? :crazy:
Damn. Can't enter a CB250N Superdream then. They've got really impressive technology for an 80s bike; no matter what you do, even if you're on a wet road in diesel you can't get the rear wheel to light up.

[chaos rider]

the headlight weighs around 5kgs on its own plus i removed around 4-5kgs of poly prop plastic from the tail lost 5kgs with the new carbon exhaust so easly around 15kgs

and all ive read from most of the posts is.."not bothered", "got no balls" and "im to fat and i spend all my time online and dont actualy have a bike"
as for the guy/girls that are keen send me a pm, the race class is still in descussion but if there are enough people wanting to do it things will go faster.

[Slyer]

the headlight weighs around 5kgs on its own plus i removed around 4-5kgs of poly prop plastic from the tail lost 5kgs with the new carbon exhaust so easly around 15kgs
Fuck those hyosung bits are heavy! :shifty:
Seriously though, 5KG headlight is ridiculous.

[The Pastor]

So it didnt work out with the hyosung gp then?

[Ooky]

the RS is a 250 twin! its not a 2 stroke honest just needs a new ring set so is burning oil at the moment :shifty:

[Hiflyer]

the stock can weighs esaily 6-7 kgs and plastics are quite heavy for the hyosung, dunno bowt 5 kgs for the headlight though. I know when I took all the fairings ogg mine it was noticeably lighter. maybe a good 3kgs as well?

[koba]

the race class is still in descussion

are you as bad at reading as spelling?

YOU CAN ALREADY RACE YOUR BIKE!

[chaos rider]

yes i can race now but im not going all the way to welly to do it
this class is a national class, not a club level class

[Drew]

yes i can race now but im not going all the way to welly to do it
this class is a national class, not a club level class


Ok, giving up on this now. Didn't realise you were delusional.

[R6_kid]

yes i can race now but im not going all the way to welly to do it
this class is a national class, not a club level class

Manfield is a few hours North of Wellington, and well worth the drive down their to race.

Also, if this class is not offered at club level it probably won't be that big at Nationals level.

IMO you should get out there and just do it, whether its clubmans or F3, or streetstock (depending on which club you race with will determine what is available to you).

One thing you can never get back is time. And since time = experience, and practice makes perfect, why wait til the 'perfect class' comes?

[Katman]

yes i can race now but im not going all the way to welly to do it


The Victoria club also holds rounds at Taupo.

[Drew]

The Victoria club also holds rounds at Taupo.

Just one round. And hopefully not even that next year.

[ducatilover]

the headlight weighs around 5kgs on its own plus i removed around 4-5kgs of poly prop plastic from the tail lost 5kgs with the new carbon exhaust so easly around 15kgs

and all ive read from most of the posts is.."not bothered", "got no balls" and "im to fat and i spend all my time online and dont actualy have a bike"
as for the guy/girls that are keen send me a pm, the race class is still in descussion but if there are enough people wanting to do it things will go faster.

Mine is currently under going a wee bit of work and is not eligible. But by all means chaos go and have the fun I am missing out on :sunny:


Edit - am I allowed in on a 250 running a turbo....if not then count me out.

[Slyer]

Sounds like you're not willing to put any effort in, Chaos.

[koba]

yes i can race now but im not going all the way to welly to do it
this class is a national class, not a club level class

Right, but Manfield is in feilding.
Taupo is in Taupo.

These are where the Vic Club meeting are held.

Taupo is all done for this year as far as Vic Club goes, but why not go to Manfeild?

Alternativley you could look here: http://www.amcc.org.nz/

I wouldn't get too caught up in the Club vs. National thing, you will probably find either way fast enough if you have little or no prior race experiance.

[koba]

Ok, giving up on this now. Didn't realise you were delusional.


Manfield is a few hours North of Wellington, and well worth the drive down their to race.

Also, if this class is not offered at club level it probably won't be that big at Nationals level.

IMO you should get out there and just do it, whether its clubmans or F3, or streetstock (depending on which club you race with will determine what is available to you).

One thing you can never get back is time. And since time = experience, and practice makes perfect, why wait til the 'perfect class' comes?


Sounds like you're not willing to put any effort in, Chaos.

Ahh, I missed the last page before I last posted, I agree with you guys.


Soo Chaos Rider, why not come and show us all how it is done at Vic Clubs next round at Manfeild?

25th of July.

[puddytat]

MC Canterbury is allowing 250 twins in with the streetstocks as a trial I believe. It sounds like fun,Im looking for something to have a go with....:stupid:
Wots got 34bhp & weighs 143kg dry?:laugh:

[chaos rider]

Ahh, I missed the last page before I last posted, I agree with you guys.


Soo Chaos Rider, why not come and show us all how it is done at Vic Clubs next round at Manfeild?

25th of July.

as from the 15th to 25th im on holiday and as for the just "pop" down to manfield when you live in west auckland and dont have a transport van/trailer to move the bike to and from the track. and on a limited budget, its not that simple.

plus this class would spend an almost equal time on most of the differant tracks in nz. so im not spending every other weekend going all the way down to manfield.

ive been told by some of the older bikers that have been there and done that, that this class would be much better to start with and that i would be waisting my time pouring my efforts into club level ones wich mainly race in mafield and the auck bassed amcc clubs are ok but not enough for serious races.

[Slyer]

as from the 15th to 25th im on holiday and as for the just "pop" down to manfield when you live in west auckland and dont have a transport van/trailer to move the bike to and from the track. and on a limited budget, its not that simple.

plus this class would spend an almost equal time on most of the differant tracks in nz. so im not spending every other weekend going all the way down to manfield.

ive been told by some of the older bikers that have been there and done that, that this class would be much better to start with and that i would be waisting my time pouring my efforts into club level ones wich mainly race in mafield and the auck bassed amcc clubs are ok but not enough for serious races.
You are still yet to do a track day. Ever. Am I correct?

[R6_kid]

as for the just "pop" down to manfield when you live in west auckland and dont have a transport van/trailer to move the bike to and from the track. and on a limited budget, its not that simple.

You are on a motorcycle networking website, if you can't arrange a cheap ride to Manfield and back then you're not using your keyboard right. People here are willing to help if you show ENTHUSIASM and DEDICATION. How do you expect to do a National Series on a limited budget? Most people are spending $5-10k minimum on travel/accomodation/consumables on doing the Nationals in similar classes.


plus this class would spend an almost equal time on most of the differant tracks in nz. so im not spending every other weekend going all the way down to manfield.

What's your point? You think the people that do Nationals don't race at club level? Are you going to spend 'equal' time on all the other tracks? Where else do you expect to get on-track RACE experience? The nationals go to Manfield and Pukekohe.


ive been told by some of the older bikers that have been there and done that, that this class would be much better to start with and that i would be waisting my time pouring my efforts into club level ones wich mainly race in mafield and the auck bassed amcc clubs are ok but not enough for serious races.

When there are bikes faster than you in the same race then that is all you need. It's unlikely that you will jump into F3 or clubmans and be the fastest rider out there on a GT250R. The only way you'll be wasting your time is by NOT RACING. Each track has its positives and negatives, but the more experience you have dealing with different situations the better off you are going to be when you travel to the South Island and race at an unfamiliar track (there are three of them).

Have you thought anything about my suggestion of going bucket racing in the mean time? That's hardly going to detract from your racing fund, and a couple of the fastest riders in NZ still do bucket racing to stay fit and get used to 'up close and personal' racing.

[Str8 Jacket]

as from the 15th to 25th im on holiday and as for the just "pop" down to manfield when you live in west auckland and dont have a transport van/trailer to move the bike to and from the track. and on a limited budget, its not that simple.



If I were you then I would just give up now then. Racing aint easy or "simple" at any level mate.

[mynameis]

I'll be there in my ZXR250 kitted in Blue Tyga fairings. See you at the races, all set ;)

[Slyer]

I'll be there in my ZXR250 kitted in Blue Tyga fairings. See you at the races, all set ;)
ZXR has 4 cylinders!

[EJK]

Just pull one ignition plug out and race a F4 Class on Mt Wellington.

[ajturbo]

ZXR has 4 cylinders!
cool that means he can race it in the 250cc production class.....

as for the 250 twins... get 6 or more and i am sure you guys will have your own race with the vic club...

that is what the 250 racers did... came along.. entered.. built up the numbers (over 6) then asked for their own class...

that is all you guys will have to do.....

[Howsie]

Chaos, come to the next ART day at Pukekohe, ill give you a run. 30th Aug mate!

[SS90]

Chaos, come to the next ART day at Pukekohe, ill give you a run. 30th Aug mate!

There ya go Chaos......... best take him up on that, now's your opportunity to prove all your detractors wrong!:scooter:

[chaos rider]

ill be there if i can sus out some transport for the bike to get there
none of our cars have a tow hook so its not as easy as renting a trailer (wich sucks)

[Howsie]

ill be there if i can sus out some transport for the bike to get there
none of our cars have a tow hook so its not as easy as renting a trailer (wich sucks)

Im looking at getting a trailer as i have another that wants to go, so all going well there could be three of us if i can get a 3 bike trailer. Will keep you posted on that closer to the date if you like?? details should be on www.amcc.co.nz

[puddytat]

I just bought one......


a Prolight 250 that is....




its a........







SPADA

[gatch]

Christ that thing looks clean, is the engine a minta ?

I reckon you will have heaps of fun racing other 250 twins with that...

Ha its been ages since i saw a mint (as in not crashed and fucked with) spada..

[puddytat]

Christ that thing looks clean, is the engine a minta ?

I reckon you will have heaps of fun racing other 250 twins with that...

Ha its been ages since i saw a mint (as in not crashed and fucked with) spada..

I hope its a minter,brought sight unseen off trademe, 23oooks......
The bloke has been real good to deal with so Im sure I wont be dissapointed.
very kindly helping me with some rubber to....either the Dunlop GPRA10's or Bridge BT003RS. Any recommendations ?


Could be a week or 2 'till I can get it up from Dunedin, then....:devil2::devil2::devil2: start rippin it ta bits !!!

[chaos rider]

hey all
you realy wont belive this but the stock shinkos on the hyo ARE the same compond they use in their drag tyres

they are usless cold but get them past 45c and there like qualifing tyres. if you ever get the chance do a stand still burn out, a short one 2 or 3 sec and it gets sticky, dosent just ware away it gets REALY sticky

[mynameis]

hey all
you realy wont belive this but the stock shinkos on the hyo ARE the same compond they use in their drag tyres

they are usless cold but get them past 45c and there like qualifing tyres. if you ever get the chance do a stand still burn out, a short one 2 or 3 sec and it gets sticky, dosent just ware away it gets REALY sticky

Yeah man a lot of racers use them, they just do a big burn out before the race and it sticks like glue. You won't believe it, plus it's cheap as well. Leave them on and go racing dude ;)

[SS90]

hey all
you realy wont belive this but the stock shinkos on the hyo ARE the same compond they use in their drag tyres

they are usless cold but get them past 45c and there like qualifing tyres. if you ever get the chance do a stand still burn out, a short one 2 or 3 sec and it gets sticky, dosent just ware away it gets REALY sticky

Hey Chaosrider, great to see you still enthusiastic about racing:niceone:

I have to say though mate, because you have not raced before, it's going to be a steep learning curve.

I don't believe for a second that the Shinko's use the same rubber for there drag tyres (they make drag tyres?)

After you have done o bit of racing (and sadly had a few spills.....it will happen) you will VERY QUICKLY learn that suspension set up and tyre choice are the most important thing you can pay attention too.

Given the fact that you have to use the original suspension, your tyre choice is omnipotent.

I have to say Chaos, (as far as racing goes) the Shinko's are A BIG NO NO!

Riding quickly on the street (it's all subjective anyway) is one thing, riding quickly on the track is another.

The only thing keeping your nut sack from the ashphalt is those tyres........they MUST BE THE BEST YOU CAN AFFORD.

They may well feel planted hooning around North Shore on a Saturday afternoon, but push them hard on a track, and they will show up all their faults........this will show itself with a "no warning" slide into the ripple strip.

Please mate, if $ is the problem, go into a tyre shop, explain the situation, and they may well have a "useable" set of second hand tyres for a good price..........that will be the best thing you can do.

Good luck Chaosrider, some pictures of your first racebike will be well recieved.

[Drew]

Hey Chaosrider, great to see you still enthusiastic about racing:niceone:

I have to say though mate, because you have not raced before, it's going to be a steep learning curve.

I don't believe for a second that the Shinko's use the same rubber for there drag tyres (they make drag tyres?)

After you have done o bit of racing (and sadly had a few spills.....it will happen) you will VERY QUICKLY learn that suspension set up and tyre choice are the most important thing you can pay attention too.

Given the fact that you have to use the original suspension, your tyre choice is omnipotent.

I have to say Chaos, (as far as racing goes) the Shinko's are A BIG NO NO!

Riding quickly on the street (it's all subjective anyway) is one thing, riding quickly on the track is another.

The only thing keeping your nut sack from the ashphalt is those tyres........they MUST BE THE BEST YOU CAN AFFORD.

They may well feel planted hooning around North Shore on a Saturday afternoon, but push them hard on a track, and they will show up all their faults........this will show itself with a "no warning" slide into the ripple strip.

Please mate, if $ is the problem, go into a tyre shop, explain the situation, and they may well have a "useable" set of second hand tyres for a good price..........that will be the best thing you can do.

Good luck Chaosrider, some pictures of your first racebike will be well recieved.Very good points, pretty sure you're allowed to do suspension internals though.

Any tyre will get sticky on the surface adfter a burnout, but that does not mean it will stick well to the road. Shinko's, are shit house. Even the bloody slicks they sell for big bikes, are a 20 year old construction, dredged up from Yokahama. They even call them the same thing, 002r, 001 and so on. Stay away from them.

[gatch]

I hope its a minter,brought sight unseen off trademe, 23oooks......
The bloke has been real good to deal with so Im sure I wont be dissapointed.
very kindly helping me with some rubber to....either the Dunlop GPRA10's or Bridge BT003RS. Any recommendations ?


Could be a week or 2 'till I can get it up from Dunedin, then....:devil2::devil2::devil2: start rippin it ta bits !!!

23k !! bugger me, when mine expired it had (at a guess) around 120k on it hahaha.

As for the tires man, I haven't used either of them on mine, I think the dunlops are what the street stock dudes love, albeit a slightly smaller section of course..

I hope your gonna ride it home ? Good fun :D

[gatch]

hey all
you realy wont belive this but the stock shinkos on the hyo ARE the same compond they use in their drag tyres

they are usless cold but get them past 45c and there like qualifing tyres. if you ever get the chance do a stand still burn out, a short one 2 or 3 sec and it gets sticky, dosent just ware away it gets REALY sticky

I would put all my money on this being untrue mate, all tires after a burnout are sticky sticky, but as it has been said above, doesn't mean they will hold the road, BIN THE SHINKO'S mate, you are just going to crash AGAIN if you stick with those pieces of shit.

[ducatilover]

I just bought one......


a Prolight 250 that is....




its a........







SPADA
Good stuff! Beware of fan switches, themostats and the front fork brace under the mud gaurd. Also the fuel tap can go kaflump. Take the jets out 5 thou and put a new can on her. If it's orihinal black the paint code is nh1. Mine was black and red back when I got it and it had 24k. Rubber side up and don't let it's lack of power/brakes depress you :clap:

[puddytat]

Good stuff! Beware of fan switches, themostats and the front fork brace under the mud gaurd. Also the fuel tap can go kaflump. Take the jets out 5 thou and put a new can on her. If it's orihinal black the paint code is nh1. Mine was black and red back when I got it and it had 24k. Rubber side up and don't let it's lack of power/brakes depress you :clap:

Cheers for that Ducatilover, I'll try not to get to depressed with the power & brakes, just got to remember that as I fang into turn one:shit:

Gatch....nah I wont ride it up as its just to bloody winterish down here,though it would've been a good "lets get to know each other better "ride...

[gatch]

Gatch....nah I wont ride it up as its just to bloody winterish down here,though it would've been a good "lets get to know each other better "ride...

I reserve these kinds of rides specifically for the females of the species... :shifty:

[RDjase]

as from the 15th to 25th im on holiday and as for the just "pop" down to manfield when you live in west auckland and dont have a transport van/trailer to move the bike to and from the track. and on a limited budget, its not that simple.

plus this class would spend an almost equal time on most of the differant tracks in nz. so im not spending every other weekend going all the way down to manfield.

ive been told by some of the older bikers that have been there and done that, that this class would be much better to start with and that i would be waisting my time pouring my efforts into club level ones wich mainly race in mafield and the auck bassed amcc clubs are ok but not enough for serious races.

Why dont you just go and buy yourself a trophy, there would be no point for you even turning up to a club meeting for the non serious racers (do you even call them that? or do we just ride around?) you would just show everyone up aye ,

Any ideas for wot could be engraved on the Trophy for Choas? lets let the non serious club racers decide:2guns:

[chaos rider]

Why dont you just go and buy yourself a trophy, there would be no point for you even turning up to a club meeting for the non serious racers (do you even call them that? or do we just ride around?) you would just show everyone up aye ,

Any ideas for wot could be engraved on the Trophy for Choas? lets let the non serious club racers decide:2guns:

the club meeting is purely a test run for the bike and me nothing serious about it.


ATTN ALL THAT SAID YES TO THE POLL:
i have it in good word from mark himself, if you said yes and will have a 250 twin 4-stroke ready before nov 1st then we need to talk, like many have said already if we turn up with enough bikes theyll give us a class.

WELL WE HAVE A CLASS THEY JUST WANT PROOF OF NUMBERS.

FIRST RACE OF THE 250 TWIN 4-STROKE'S NOV 1ST. tbc

[rachprice]

the club meeting is purely a test run for the bike and me nothing serious about it.


ATTN ALL THAT SAID YES TO THE POLL:
i have it in good word from mark himself, if you said yes and will have a 250 twin 4-stroke ready before nov 1st then we need to talk, like many have said already if we turn up with enough bikes theyll give us a class.

WELL WE HAVE A CLASS THEY JUST WANT PROOF OF NUMBERS.

FIRST RACE OF THE 250 TWIN 4-STROKE'S NOV 1ST. tbc

Purely test run?? oh god you are delusional...to have never been on a track, let alone a race and think that club level racing is beneath you is incredibly arrogant and just plain retarded...
Even some of the best national riders ride club level racing, so what the hell is going on in your head??

Plus your moaning and bitching about transport when only one round of nationals is held in Auckland, (hopefully Hampton Downs this year!) the other in Manfield the other three in the South Island.
If you cant afford club level racing how the hell do you think you can afford nationals?


Just curiously though, and this is a genuine question, why isn't there a 150 streetstock class in the nationals if its so easy to get the 250 twins in??
There is a much bigger following of 150's, 18 in the vic club round at Taupo and from what I hear they have just exploded down South.

[Billy]

Purely test run?? oh god you are delusional...to have never been on a track, let alone a race and think that club level racing is beneath you is incredibly arrogant and just plain retarded...
Even some of the best national riders ride club level racing, so what the hell is going on in your head??

Plus your moaning and bitching about transport when only one round of nationals is held in Auckland, (hopefully Hampton Downs this year!) the other in Manfield the other three in the South Island.
If you cant afford club level racing how the hell do you think you can afford nationals?


Just curiously though, and this is a genuine question, why isn't there a 150 streetstock class in the nationals if its so easy to get the 250 twins in??
There is a much bigger following of 150's, 18 in the vic club round at Taupo and from what I hear they have just exploded down South.

The 150s run as a support class at the three South Island rounds of the Nationals and are very well supported.The only reason the same doesnt happen in the North Island is the clubs dont support them.However,As I understand it the new 250 class is being introduced too replace the 150s as the bikes are getting old and hard too get parts for.Whether they intend too let the 150s run alongside the 250s till they are phased out Im not sure.There are a number of us working hard behind the scenes too get the 250 rules finalised,But We want too make damn sure they are bang on before the class is introduced,At some stage during this process I will get that clarified and post it on this site

[fatzx10r]

Someone lend me one for the next round, I'll take it out in street stock for a laugh. (not that I'm very good on little bikes)

you should of kept that old gsx250 i sold ya Drew :bleh:

[RDjase]

Purely test run?? oh god you are delusional...to have never been on a track, let alone a race and think that club level racing is beneath you is incredibly arrogant and just plain retarded...
Even some of the best national riders ride club level racing, so what the hell is going on in your head??

Plus your moaning and bitching about transport when only one round of nationals is held in Auckland, (hopefully Hampton Downs this year!) the other in Manfield the other three in the South Island.
If you cant afford club level racing how the hell do you think you can afford nationals?

Bang on rach:clap: i think we need to get some 4 stroke 250s(little diesels) and give Choas someone to lap aye lol, as long he dosent lap me twice in that low level club racing thing i wouldnt be too embarassed:bleh:

[rachprice]

Bang on rach:clap: i think we need to get some 4 stroke 250s(little diesels) and give Choas someone to lap aye lol, as long he dosent lap me twice in that low level club racing thing i wouldnt be too embarassed:bleh:

Oh nah because I'm pointing out how much of a cock he is coming across as, apparently I've "got no balls" and "im to fat and i spend all my time online and dont actualy have a bike"
Let me get out my excuse book for all the reasons why I cant be racing



I'm actually missing the my 150 streetstock terribly!

[RDjase]

Oh nah because I'm pointing out how much of a cock he is coming across as, apparently I've "got no balls" and "im to fat and i spend all my time online and dont actualy have a bike"
Let me get out my excuse book for all the reasons why I cant be racing



I'm actually missing the my 150 streetstock terribly!

We would take him on with a pair on GN250s lol

[puddytat]

me got me spada,:cool:
tis in bits as we speak:eek:,
got bits coming:blip:,
got me brain buzzin:weird:,
got new hacksaw,:violin:
,got new rubber:drool:,
got new license,:yeah:
got fuck all patience.:wait:
..roll on 18th October:drool::woohoo:

[Harvd]

me got me spada,:cool:
tis in bits as we speak:eek:,
got bits coming:blip:,
got me brain buzzin:weird:,
got new hacksaw,:violin:
,got new rubber:drool:,
got new license,:yeah:
got fuck all patience.:wait:
..roll on 18th October:drool::woohoo:

So did you end up getting the right bike?

[puddytat]

Nah, I didnt....
After a sleepless weekend worrying, I got in touch with the "fella' & had a good chat about the problem of the wrong bike & we have come to an amicable agreement....He apologised profusely for the mixup & gave me some money back so Im pretty happy with how it worked out in the end. I do now believe it was an honest mistake (wrong photos).A bit of a fuck up on both our parts, but you live & you learn.Just pleased it doesnt need to go any further. See ya on the 18th,no doubt you'll be giving me the learn

[Billy]

Before everybody gets carried away and spends a whole lot of time and money for No apparent reason.You should wait for the rules to be confirmed and displayed on the MNZ website as they are talking homologated models only.You will need too check the bike you are buying or preparing fits the criteria and also meets all requirements,As this class will be policed strictly and any machine not fitting the criteria will not be allowed too race.

[ducatilover]

me got me spada,:cool:

:niceone::niceone: I get dibbs on being advisor for the spada!!!!

Bang on rach:clap: i think we need to get some 4 stroke 250s(little diesels) and give Choas someone to lap aye lol, as long he dosent lap me twice in that low level club racing thing i wouldnt be too embarassed:bleh: Hmmm, some do say he rode a hyosung soooo fast that he actually dissipated, later to be found fallen off whilst gravel had distorted the space time continuum!

I'll be around to watch the manfeild races :headbang:

[RDjase]

You do realise you can already race it at the Victoria Motorcycle Club Winter series?

www.vicclub.co.nz

Probably at other club rounds also.

and the pacific club summer series, 250s run with 150s last season and they are for the next

[SS90]

:niceone::niceone: I get dibbs on being advisor for the spada!!!!
Hmmm, some do say he rode a hyosung soooo fast that he actually dissipated, later to be found fallen off whilst gravel had distorted the space time continuum!



Come on Doug, it wasn't QUITE the "space time continuum" He learned his lesson too..........

I'm still looking forward to Chaosrider putting some laps in on the sporty (looking) Hyosung GT250R (......sorry GT250P), and giving us all a race report, and (hopefully) silencing his (and Hyosung bashers) critics!

Hey Chaosrider, how did you go with your tyre selection for the first meeting? Binned those Shinko's I hope!!!!!!

Don't forget to lock wire your sumpbung and oil filter!

[Hiflyer]

Purely test run?? oh god you are delusional.....incredibly arrogant and just plain retarded...
...what the hell is going on in your head??

you obviously haven't read many of his posts cos you seem surprised? :laugh:

[chaos rider]

Purely test run?? oh god you are delusional...to have never been on a track, let alone a race and think that club level racing is beneath you is incredibly arrogant and just plain retarded...
Even some of the best national riders ride club level racing, so what the hell is going on in your head??

Plus your moaning and bitching about transport when only one round of nationals is held in Auckland, (hopefully Hampton Downs this year!) the other in Manfield the other three in the South Island.
If you cant afford club level racing how the hell do you think you can afford nationals?


Just curiously though, and this is a genuine question, why isn't there a 150 streetstock class in the nationals if its so easy to get the 250 twins in??
There is a much bigger following of 150's, 18 in the vic club round at Taupo and from what I hear they have just exploded down South.



ive solved my transport problem long ago and i never said national i said we have a class with the amcc club, do you know mark??

and for the record it is a test run for the bike and me but heres the bit you wont understand. I LIKE JUMPING IN THE DEEP END(its were im best and were i show the men how its done)..dont judge people you dont know!
so your welcome to come to the test run and watch me fail or hit the 1:20-1:18 mark round the track or you can quit running your mouth on a thread that is for people that want to do something no one is realy bothered with.

[rachprice]

ive solved my transport problem long ago and i never said national i said we have a class with the amcc club, do you know mark??

and for the record it is a test run for the bike and me but heres the bit you wont understand. I LIKE JUMPING IN THE DEEP END(its were im best and were i show the men how its done)..dont judge people you dont know!
so your welcome to come to the test run and watch me fail or hit the 1:20-1:18 mark round the track or you can quit running your mouth on a thread that is for people that want to do something no one is realy bothered with.

Mark who?

Funnily enough so do I, thats why I started racing earlier on this year with barely a years experience on a bike ever!

I wasn't judging, just telling it like it is...and I will say whatever I want

What a shame Im not in the country for your debut <_<

[RDjase]

I LIKE JUMPING IN THE DEEP END(its were im best and were i show the men how its done

looks like your not invited rach, How rude:laugh:


as from the 15th to 25th im on holiday and as for the just "pop" down to manfield when you live in west auckland and dont have a transport van/trailer to move the bike to and from the track. and on a limited budget, its not that simple.


That post was only 6 days ago, and you have sorted your transport problems long ago?


ive solved my transport problem long ago and i never said national i said we have a class with the amcc club, do you know mark??



Get to a track and do some actual track time and stop bleating your the best,

[Crasherfromwayback]

I LIKE JUMPING IN THE DEEP END(its were im best and were i show the men how its done)..dont judge people you dont know!


Don't forget ya water wings then sonny!

It's always the wankers that tell us how good they are before they start that are the mobile chicanes out on the track. While I think it's great you're gonna have a crack at it...I think you should shut your face until you have.

Get back to us after the fact. I'll be the first to congratulate you then.

[koba]

ive solved my transport problem long ago and i never said national i said we have a class with the amcc club, do you know mark??

and for the record it is a test run for the bike and me but heres the bit you wont understand. I LIKE JUMPING IN THE DEEP END(its were im best and were i show the men how its done)..dont judge people you dont know!
so your welcome to come to the test run and watch me fail or hit the 1:20-1:18 mark round the track or you can quit running your mouth on a thread that is for people that want to do something no one is realy bothered with.

So when and where is this all happening?

[DELLORTO]

its great this guy wants to get into racing!! thats what its all about! he obviously wants to join the elite club of nz road racers :Police:

although lets not be over confident now <_<

[ducatilover]

ive solved my transport problem long ago and i never said national i said we have a class with the amcc club, do you know mark??

and for the record it is a test run for the bike and me but heres the bit you wont understand. I LIKE JUMPING IN THE DEEP END(its were im best and were i show the men how its done)..dont judge people you dont know!
so your welcome to come to the test run and watch me fail or hit the 1:20-1:18 mark round the track or you can quit running your mouth on a thread that is for people that want to do something no one is realy bothered with.
Ya reckon you will be at manfeild then? 1:20 may be a plausable goal, go for it and don't forget to be smooth dude.

Come on Doug, it wasn't QUITE the "space time continuum" He learned his lesson too..........

I'm still looking forward to Chaosrider putting some laps in on the sporty (looking) Hyosung GT250R (......sorry GT250P), and giving us all a race report, and (hopefully) silencing his (and Hyosung bashers) critics!
Just a wee jest :shifty: we will be waiting, I will hobble into the stands at mafeild with my sciatica just for Chaos, so I hope he tootles down this way.

[SS90]

Ya reckon you will be at manfeild then? 1:20 may be a plausable goal, go for it and don't forget to be smooth dude.
Just a wee jest :shifty: we will be waiting, I will hobble into the stands at mafeild with my sciatica just for Chaos, so I hope he tootles down this way.

Awesome news Ducatirider :wari:

I'm still backing him as being the "next big thing"

Granted, he has no experience, the lowest powered bike in the class,questionable tyres, and a limited budget, but that DOESN'T MEAN he isn't a world class rider.

Let's all give him a chance!

If he sucks, then I was wrong.:mellow::shutup:

[rachprice]

Ya reckon you will be at manfeild then? 1:20 may be a plausable goal, go for it and don't forget to be smooth dude.
Just a wee jest :shifty: we will be waiting, I will hobble into the stands at mafeild with my sciatica just for Chaos, so I hope he tootles down this way.

I dunno about 1'20, considering the fastest 250 4's at manfield are doing around 1'26

[EJK]

Sully60 did 1:20-1:22 when measured last time on his SV650 around Manfield and I'm preeeety sure he's a hell of a good rider/ racer.

Koba also did around 1:24-6 on his VFR400 the same day.


1:20 on an underpowered V twin 250 would be a bit of a challenge :msn-wink:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Ya reckon you will be at manfeild then? 1:20 may be a plausable goal, go for it and don't forget to be smooth dude.


Not even mate!

[chaos rider]

I dunno about 1'20, considering the fastest 250 4's at manfield are doing around 1'26

i have been told by mathew that the fastest 4-stroke 250 was a cbr that did 1:16 and mark believes once im into it and have done 10 or so laps 1:20 is an easy goal

get your info right guys

oh and just so no one gets confused im talking about puki

[rachprice]

i have been told by mathew that the fastest 4-stroke 250 was a cbr that did 1:16 and mark believes once im into it and have done 10 or so laps 1:20 is an easy goal

get your info right guys

oh and just so no one gets confused im talking about puki

Well I just took it from the last round of Vic series of Manfield, which is what I stated! Me not being there, I obviously don't know if it was wet, the 125GP were doing 1'17s though I think Avalon was doing 1'13s in the nationals

Get your info right!

I doubt that STOCK cbr (streetstock get it?) could get round manfield in that time

Hahahah 10 laps and your gonna be beating all the bikes out there? I think not buddy! Even if you do have natural talent on a bike racing is a whole different ball game, sometimes you cant take the best lines because people are in the way, sometimes they slow you down....

[chaos rider]

Well I just took it from the last round of Vic series of Manfield, which is what I stated! Me not being there, I obviously don't know if it was wet, the 125GP were doing 1'17s though I think Avalon was doing 1'13s in the nationals

Get your info right!

I doubt that STOCK cbr (streetstock get it?) could get round manfield in that time

Hahahah 10 laps and your gonna be beating all the bikes out there? I think not buddy! Even if you do have natural talent on a bike racing is a whole different ball game, sometimes you cant take the best lines because people are in the way, sometimes they slow you down....

can you not read
i said i was talking about PUKI!

[Crasherfromwayback]

i have been told by mathew that the fastest 4-stroke 250 was a cbr that did 1:16 and mark believes once im into it and have done 10 or so laps 1:20 is an easy goal

get your info right guys

oh and just so no one gets confused im talking about puki

Don't think so Noddy!

[rachprice]

ive solved my transport problem long ago and i never said national i said we have a class with the amcc club, do you know mark??

and for the record it is a test run for the bike and me but heres the bit you wont understand. I LIKE JUMPING IN THE DEEP END(its were im best and were i show the men how its done)..dont judge people you dont know!
so your welcome to come to the test run and watch me fail or hit the 1:20-1:18 mark round the track or you can quit running your mouth on a thread that is for people that want to do something no one is realy bothered with.

Clearly Im retard where in here does it say Puki?
Oh thats right, it doesn't...
I few other people talked about Manfield and I did say Manfield did I not?

[Hiflyer]

Clearly Im retard where in here does it say Puki?
Oh thats right, it doesn't...
I few other people talked about Manfield and I did say Manfield did I not?


No but he says it here, I think it was a belated statement to cover his ass




oh and just so no one gets confused im talking about puki

[Billy]

Well I just took it from the last round of Vic series of Manfield, which is what I stated! Me not being there, I obviously don't know if it was wet, the 125GP were doing 1'17s though I think Avalon was doing 1'13s in the nationals

Get your info right!

I doubt that STOCK cbr (streetstock get it?) could get round manfield in that time

Hahahah 10 laps and your gonna be beating all the bikes out there? I think not buddy! Even if you do have natural talent on a bike racing is a whole different ball game, sometimes you cant take the best lines because people are in the way, sometimes they slow you down....
Bang on the money doll,I have been the fastest at Manfeild on a CBR 1.26.5 during the Grant Russell memorial race at rd6 of the Actrix series last year.Incidently the fastest lap I did at Manfeild during that series last year in a streetstock race was a 1.27.2 and I lapped the only Hyosung in the race TWICE in a 15 lap race.The CBR ridden to its potential at Manfeild is capable of around the high 1.23-low 1.24.Hyosung would be around the 1.30 mark I would suspect(Comparitive too an RG 150)

[ducatilover]

Awesome news Ducatirider :wari:

I'm still backing him as being the "next big thing"

Granted, he has no experience, the lowest powered bike in the class,questionable tyres, and a limited budget, but that DOESN'T MEAN he isn't a world class rider.

Let's all give him a chance!

If he sucks, then I was wrong.:mellow::shutup: :innocent: I bet Rossi had a hyosung. I hope he rides better than me, cos I suck


I dunno about 1'20, considering the fastest 250 4's at manfield are doing around 1'26 I thought we were talking about puke :blink: In that case, NOOO


i have been told by mathew that the fastest 4-stroke 250 was a cbr that did 1:16 and mark believes once im into it and have done 10 or so laps 1:20 is an easy goal

get your info right guys

oh and just so no one gets confused im talking about puki
Yeah, I thought so. 1:20 would be my goal on a spada after a fair few rounds on the bike. I doubt either of us would manage a 1:20 on a cbr250rr on our first time out...

[gatch]

HEY ALL YOU n00bs DISSING CHAOS SHOULD FUCK OFF, he clearly nose what he is talking aboot.

Rasing is full of soft cocks and wood be easy to beet. Hyodung GT250P-RR-R FTW

[ducatilover]

HEY ALL YOU n00bs DISSING CHAOS SHOULD FUCK OFF, he clearly nose what he is talking aboot.

Rasing is full of soft cocks and wood be easy to beet. Hyodung GT250P-RR-R FTW

:shit::blink::innocent:

[chaos rider]

where have i ever mentioned i was ever going to manfield?? yes maby after the first round at PUKI but thats a long time off

look im not starting shit with anyone. unlike some people...

this thread is so i can organise and work out how many are intrested and can make it to round one so the amcc will give us our class. so unless your intrested or can offer constructive advice then please will you kindly F*CK OFF

and 10 laps is more then enough to get in the groove, if you cant get it right after 10 laps then ill be happy to lap your arse.... you earned it lol

[Slyer]

How about you do a single race EVER?!

[ducatilover]

where have i ever mentioned i was ever going to manfield?? yes maby after the first round at PUKI but thats a long time off

look im not starting shit with anyone. unlike some people...

this thread is so i can organise and work out how many are intrested and can make it to round one so the amcc will give us our class. so unless your intrested or can offer constructive advice then please will you kindly F*CK OFF

and 10 laps is more then enough to get in the groove, if you cant get it right after 10 laps then ill be happy to lap your arse.... you earned it lol

No, chaos, no. Listen to the experienced chaps mate. I will be happy for you to try lap me. Have you scrubbed the chicken strips off yet? That would be constructive.

[mossy1200]

where have i ever mentioned i was ever going to manfield?? yes maby after the first round at PUKI but thats a long time off

look im not starting shit with anyone. unlike some people...

this thread is so i can organise and work out how many are intrested and can make it to round one so the amcc will give us our class. so unless your intrested or can offer constructive advice then please will you kindly F*CK OFF

and 10 laps is more then enough to get in the groove, if you cant get it right after 10 laps then ill be happy to lap your arse.... you earned it lol
You could enter pro twin or f3 if your the only one interested.Its not all about winning but enjoying yourself and setting yourself targets.You got everbody worked up when you called club racing below your standards.
Vic club events attract some of NZs top riders and the level of comp is high enough for every rider to satisfy their needs.
Some classes are not eligible for nationals making club level the top level comp available.All riders improve with laps.
Its is easier to make friends at the track than enemies so your best bet would be to admit that you have unintentionally offended some people.
You will understand when you start racing and you relise how far people will go to help you out when you need it.Try your best to get your sung going as fast as you can then step up into another bike when you feel like its time to do so.There is nearly always someone with a better bike and more skill and these are the people that you can learn skills from.
At my first few events I learnt from those around me and every person I met had nothing but advice and encouragement(thats the best part of club level racing).
I have heard of racers eating instant noodles to afford tyres and they will offer you parts from their own collection to keep you bike running if they have what you need after a spill.People make massive sacrifice to race bikes and your either interested in being part of something big or your not.

It would be good for you to look at this thread to get an idea of what its about.Just read it and soak it in.http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=104722

[puddytat]

I wouldnt be surprised if Im the only one at Ruapuna....& I know Im going to get the "Learn" from some of the 150ss riders, but thats what I need...to learn. MCC is helping by allowing the 250 twins in with the 150 ss's:yes:
Mossy is spot on about club racing.

[NZJONESY]

Where are these photos you promised us Chaosrider? Or should we all take 'i'll post some pics soon' as meaning 'I probably wont, liek ,doit forevers ...cuz i'm lazy as bro' like the HoyoGP thread??

[Crasherfromwayback]

and 10 laps is more then enough to get into your groove, if you cant get it right after 10 laps then ill be happy to lick your arse.... you earned it lol


Yikes!!!!!!!

[Hiflyer]

so unless your intrested or can offer constructive advice then please will you kindly F*CK OFF



AHAHAHA it's KB if you say that you're only going to attract more people

[DELLORTO]

AHAHAHA it's KB if you say that you're only going to attract more people

i have to agree with you on that one :yes:

[RDjase]

Here are the provisional dates for the 2009/2010 summer series

Round 1 is at Taupo on track 2 Sunday 1st November 2009
Round 2 is at Manfeild on the normal track Sunday 31st January 2010
Round 3 is at Taupo on track 1 Sunday 21st March 2010
Round 4 is at Taupo on track 1 Sunday 3rd April 2010

There will also be open/practice days on Saturday 30th January 2010 at manfeild and Saturday 20th March at Taupo.
The Saturdays will be open to anyone on 2 wheels no race licence needed
You will just need to ride in the appropriate speed class
Entry forms and more info will be ready soon (just waiting for the permits)

theres a race series for you chaos, THERE IS AND HAS BEEN a 250 4stroke class for the last 2 series,

[RDjase]

Refering to "The Politicly Incorrect Parenting Show" after Fair Go


Dunno if anyone else has been watching it, I have. God it's good stuff! Anyway he was talking about the BIG lies we tell kids.

BIG lies we tell kids (Nigel Latta)

1. Life is fair.
2. Everyone gets a turn.
3. Everyone gets what they deserve.
4. It’s not about winning (it’s about taking part).
5. You’re special.
6. Everyone gets a prize.


“Birthday parties – we’re so terrified that a kid will feel left out that everyone has to get a present. Kids grow up with a huge sense of entitlement and the view that you get stuff in life for just turning up.”


“Genuine self-esteem comes from accomplishment, not from being told you’re making a good job when you’re not…Kids need to find out that you’re not always great at everything, that you don’t always win and that it’s okay to feel disappointed and bad if you lose. The moral of the story is: try again or try harder or try something else, we aren’t all special at everything.”


“What I say to my boys is this: Boys, you’re very special to me but those people think you’re annoying, be quiet.”


“Let’s be honest with our kids and not sugar coat it – we need to encourage them to do their best but be realistic about success or failure. Life isn’t fair so get used to it.”


"Be realistic…don’t try to insulate your kids from all failure and risk, they’re both parts of adult life and we need to learn how to cope with them. Don’t cotton wool your kids."


I wonder who may have been bought up like this, any ideas anyone?

[chaos rider]

Where are these photos you promised us Chaosrider? Or should we all take 'i'll post some pics soon' as meaning 'I probably wont, liek ,doit forevers ...cuz i'm lazy as bro' like the HoyoGP thread??

well if you want to see nothing but frame and engine thats fine. there are some farings on it, the reason its taking so damn long and im annoyed too, is the front and rear fairings need changing the headlight hole needs filling in and the passenger seat too.

the guy im getting it done with is really good but hes cutting me a deal and that means his other work comes first so they're not all done yet ill have pics next weekend at latest. week after if you want pics of the paint job.

[chaos rider]

theres a race series for you chaos, THERE IS AND HAS BEEN a 250 4stroke class for the last 2 series,

yes with VMC im doing it with amcc as its closer.

the rounds are for amcc:

1. nov 1st
2.nov 15th
3.dec 13th
4.march 7th
5.aprl 18th

nzrc :

27th and 28th mrch, hampton downs tbc

[ducatilover]

well if you want to see nothing but frame and engine thats fine. there are some farings on it, the reason its taking so damn long and im annoyed too, is the front and rear fairings need changing the headlight hole needs filling in and the passenger seat too.

the guy im getting it done with is really good but hes cutting me a deal and that means his other work comes first so they're not all done yet ill have pics next weekend at latest. week after if you want pics of the paint job.

Send them down here, I'll glass them up free of charge just to see you out on the track. It's about 20min work to glass the front light hole up, then rubbing it down and painting it. No need to do the seat, fiberglass is heavier than you expect.

[Hiflyer]

what will you cover the pillion seat with to save weight with then? a few layers of glad wrap? haha

[ducatilover]

what will you cover the pillion seat with to save weight with then? a few layers of glad wrap? haha

:innocent: A hole? Removing it and replacing it with fiber glass will save basically nothing. It could potentially be heavier

[Hiflyer]

:innocent: A hole? Removing it and replacing it with fiber glass will save basically nothing. It could potentially be heavier

But if you has a whole then wont the air try and fill it creating drag? so maybe adding weight can add speed? :whocares:

[ducatilover]

But if you has a whole then wont the air try and fill it creating drag? so maybe adding weight can add speed? :whocares:

:innocent: Good point

But, I am happy to help Chaos out to get him on the track, or anybody else for that matter.

[DELLORTO]

But if you has a whole then wont the air try and fill it creating drag? so maybe adding weight can add speed? :whocares:

leave aerodynamics to the specialists!! :shifty:

[koba]

the front and rear fairings need changing the headlight hole needs filling in and the passenger seat too.


Naa they don't.

Just race the bloody thing.

[puddytat]

Just been checking on mylaps some times for the Streetstocks at Ruapuna,& the quick fellas are doing 1;54's on them, which is an average speed of only about 7km/h or 10secs per lap slower than what Ive managed on me R6....impressive of them I reckon & indicative of how slow I am:laugh:
I'll be more than happy if I could pull an even 2:00....:yes:

[SS90]

Naa they don't.

Just race the bloody thing.

Yea, come on Chaosrider....forget the bodywork....just race the damned thing naked........... all the plastic work won't help on your first go!:scooter::scooter::woohoo:

[chaos rider]

im gettining the fairings finished tomorow so ill have picks of the pre paint finish by tomorow afternoon

[DELLORTO]

im gettining the fairings finished tomorow so ill have picks of the pre paint finish by tomorow afternoon

go on my album and look at my bike!! it aint pretty but its got the grunt and its got the rider {sort of...:sweatdrop} so its a race bike!!!


you dont need a fancy paint job...the only reason people have nice paint jobs is to impress the sponsors and get money from them

[chaos rider]

um i think thats the idea off a paint job yes, and your point is??

lol
if painting the bike up makes my ride any cheaper ill do it.. i hope

[SS90]

By all means Chaosrider, if you want your Hyosung GT250R/P racebike to look pretty, then GO FOR IT!!!!

As a point though mate, how are you going with your tyre selection?

The general consensus is that the OE tyres are not really suitable for racing (Pukekohe is not really a track that is hard on tyres, but......... you get what I am saying)

Have you looked in to some cheap alternatives? (second hand)

[Billy]

By all means Chaosrider, if you want your Hyosung GT250R/P racebike to look pretty, then GO FOR IT!!!!

As a point though mate, how are you going with your tyre selection?

The general consensus is that the OE tyres are not really suitable for racing (Pukekohe is not really a track that is hard on tyres, but......... you get what I am saying)

Have you looked in to some cheap alternatives? (second hand)

I would suggest you all wait till the rules are made available before rushing out and buying tyres.

[SS90]

I would suggest you all wait till the rules are made available before rushing out and buying tyres.

Good point there Billy, however, I am of the opinion that the chances of MNZ using the original "SHINKO" tyres that the Hyosung comes with as control tyres for the class would be about as likely as Clayton Weatherston not having an extremely sore Ass by now...........

[Billy]

Good point there Billy, however, I am of the opinion that the chances of MNZ using the original "SHINKO" tyres that the Hyosung comes with as control tyres for the class would be about as likely as Clayton Weatherston not having an extremely sore Ass by now...........
Bwahahaha!!Good point,The point I was trying too get across is,At one stage they were talking about OEM tyre sizes,However I think they are reconsidering and it looks like they may use common sense and make it Manufacturers recommended rim size

[RDjase]

What size Rims and tyres do Hyosungs have?

[ducatilover]

What size Rims and tyres do Hyosungs have?

17 like most modern pretend bikes....
Will be good to see the pics chaos, I did some repairs to a fairing today. It's a shame you didn't need a pro to do the fairings for free...

[RDjase]

What size Rims and tyres do Hyosungs have?


17 like most modern pretend bikes....
Will be good to see the pics chaos, I did some repairs to a fairing today. It's a shame you didn't need a pro to do the fairings for free...

Do you know the rim widths? and full tyre sizes?

My old pre82 bike has 18 by 1.85 front and rear, 90/90 18 front(100/90 18 as cant get Sport Demons in 90) and a 110/80 18 rear. Wide aye dukelover:bleh:

18 inch , Real sizes lol:niceone:

[ducatilover]

Do you know the rim widths? and full tyre sizes?

My old pre82 bike has 18 by 1.85 front and rear, 90/90 18 front(100/90 18 as cant get Sport Demons in 90) and a 110/80 18 rear. Wide aye dukelover:bleh:

18 inch , Real sizes lol:niceone:

18s are silly :bleh: I had an 18 on the rear of my bros650, it looked yum but was poo. I would expect 110/80/17 front and 140/70/17 rear
But correct me if I am wrong.

[RDjase]

18s are silly :bleh: I had an 18 on the rear of my bros650, it looked yum but was poo. I would expect 110/80/17 front and 140/70/17 rear
But correct me if I am wrong.

Haha, my bikes (apart from one) are older than you lol,

I do hope chaos does race and prove us all wrong, theres always someone to have a dice with were ever you are in the feild,

you cant be Rossi the 1st time out aye

[ducatilover]

Haha, my bikes (apart from one) are older than you lol,

I do hope chaos does race and prove us all wrong, theres always someone to have a dice with were ever you are in the feild,

you cant be Rossi the 1st time out aye

My bike is the same age as me and is far sexier....gets more women too. I hope so too, but, so far he has been an arrogant noob. :devil2:

[RDjase]

My bike is the same age as me and is far sexier....gets more women too. I hope so too, but, so far he has been an arrogant noob. :devil2:

Are you going to vic round 4 ? i hope to be racing , just sent entry away, day late but emailed them, thought it was on the 29th:eek:

[Hiflyer]

18s are silly :bleh: I had an 18 on the rear of my bros650, it looked yum but was poo. I would expect 110/80/17 front and 140/70/17 rear
But correct me if I am wrong.

fron 120/70/17 rear 150/70/17 so not too far off :niceone:

[ducatilover]

Are you going to vic round 4 ? i hope to be racing , just sent entry away, day late but emailed them, thought it was on the 29th:eek:
I will go watch at manfeild, my spada isn't quite...eligible....:msn-wink:

fron 120/70/17 rear 150/70/17 so not too far off :niceone: Good sizes! shouldn't have any problems getting decent rubber

[Hiflyer]

nope, none at all, battlax BT45's are awesome! Brand new un scrubbed and in the wet felt better than the shinkos ever did in the dry hahahaha

[RDjase]

fron 120/70/17 rear 150/70/17 so not too far off :niceone:

It makes my Rds tyres look like gingernuts :bleh:

[Hiflyer]

It makes my Rds tyres look like gingernuts :bleh:

Bite 1 and see!? :blank: :bleh:

[RDjase]

nope, none at all, battlax BT45's are awesome! Brand new un scrubbed and in the wet felt better than the shinkos ever did in the dry hahahaha

Pirelli Sport Demons are the duck nuts:niceone: i have used BT45s and the Demons are better, and great in the rain

BT45s are still a really good tyre tho, i just like my Demons

[ducatilover]

The rd's are ginger nuts [no offense]
Hmm I don't think I have evr owned a tyre that performs as poorly as a skunko. The worst I have had are IRC RX01 and they are poos but they last quite a while on the front. I liek sport demons on little bikes or pilot spoty michellins :niceone:

[RDjase]

I will go watch at manfeild, my spada isn't quite...eligible....:msn-wink:
Good sizes! shouldn't have any problems getting decent rubber

I will be there somewere, catch up for a yak if you see me

[Hiflyer]

Pirelli Sport Demons are the duck nuts:niceone: i have used BT45s and the Demons are better, and great in the rain

BT45s are still a really good tyre tho, i just like my Demons

Demons = $$$$

Battlax not so much haha


that and my skill level can reeeaaaly justify having such a hardout tyre.

[RDjase]

Bite 1 and see!? :blank: :bleh:

Maybe a Cheap pams gingernut ,crossed with Taupo track 1 lol

[mossy1200]

I would suggest you all wait till the rules are made available before rushing out and buying tyres.
The rules will be dot approved street tyres.
They cant make you run a bikes tyre brand that it came out with or that would mean some bikes would be given the chop simply because the original tyre isnt avaliable and cant see them enforcing stinko slippery tyres for racing.Think they are more interested in rider safety.Get some gpra10 tyres which also have 18inch rear if required.Alot of vfr400s run them and they have very good grip without wearing fast on lighter bikes.
You could run a whole series and some track days on one set on a 250 easy.

[RDjase]

Demons = $$$$

Battlax not so much haha


that and my skill level can reeeaaaly justify having such a hardout tyre.

There not too badly priced, there only road tyres,

The Avon AM 22 and 23 race tyres , i would love to have , Awesome but $800 or $900 a pair,

What are you paying for BT45s?

[Hiflyer]

There not too badly priced, there only road tyres,

The Avon AM 22 and 23 race tyres , i would love to have , Awesome but $800 or $900 a pair,

What are you paying for BT45s?

I think it was 445 fitted for a pair at cycletreads, but I got a deal, I cant remember how much they are for rrp, i think maybe 500

[RDjase]

The rd's are ginger nuts [no offense]
Hmm I don't think I have evr owned a tyre that performs as poorly as a skunko. The worst I have had are IRC RX01 and they are poos but they last quite a while on the front. I liek sport demons on little bikes or pilot spoty michellins :niceone:

My mate said RD stands for Rather Dangerous

[RDjase]

The rules will be dot approved street tyres.
They cant make you run a bikes tyre brand that it came out with or that would mean some bikes would be given the chop simply because the original tyre isnt avaliable and cant see them enforcing stinko slippery tyres for racing.Think they are more interested in rider safety.Get some gpra10 tyres which also have 18inch rear if required.Alot of vfr400s run them and they have very good grip without wearing fast on lighter bikes.
You could run a whole series and some track days on one set on a 250 easy.

I want GPRa10s for my RGV, vj21 (with dead powervalve at the mo) it has 18 rear

[RDjase]

I think it was 445 fitted for a pair at cycletreads, but I got a deal, I cant remember how much they are for rrp, i think maybe 500

I got a pair fitted(wheels off) for $400 and that included fronts pads (twin disc)

[Hiflyer]

I got a pair fitted(wheels off) for $400 and that included fronts pads (twin disc)

.........well f u then hahaha

[RDjase]

.........well f u then hahaha

they charge extra for the housungs lol, got to wash off all the korean:bleh:

[Ooky]

gpra's are awesome! :clap:

[Billy]

The rules will be dot approved street tyres.
They cant make you run a bikes tyre brand that it came out with or that would mean some bikes would be given the chop simply because the original tyre isnt avaliable and cant see them enforcing stinko slippery tyres for racing.Think they are more interested in rider safety.Get some gpra10 tyres which also have 18inch rear if required.Alot of vfr400s run them and they have very good grip without wearing fast on lighter bikes.
You could run a whole series and some track days on one set on a 250 easy.

OEM TYRE SIZES not tyres

[ducatilover]

I will be there somewere, catch up for a yak if you see me Will do mate, I'll either be on a spada that doesn't look like a spada or in a very old [73] bmw, hopefully I will have the 350ci in it :niceone:


Demons = $$$$

Battlax not so much haha


that and my skill level can reeeaaaly justify having such a hardout tyre.
The demon isn't hard out:devil2: I have mine to the edge on the rear and the last one got it's peel going

[chaos rider]

im waiting to see if they are going to limit the sizes if not i have some in mind that will kick arse there not the batle axes (those are for sport tourer bikes my friends my dad uses them for his 900 xjr diversion) but there the level up if you want to put it that way bit stickier and still economical.

fairings not finished had some issues with the bog so they will be done and on the bike tomorow. dont worry, ill get you bike fappers your pics lol

[RDjase]

im waiting to see if they are going to limit the sizes if not i have some in mind that will kick arse there not the batle axes (those are for sport tourer bikes my friends my dad uses them for his 900 xjr diversion) but there the level up if you want to put it that way bit stickier and still economical.

fairings not finished had some issues with the bog so they will be done and on the bike tomorow. dont worry, ill get you bike fappers your pics lol

Have you got BT39s? , got more grip than BT45

[ducatilover]

im waiting to see if they are going to limit the sizes if not i have some in mind that will kick arse there not the batle axes (those are for sport tourer bikes my friends my dad uses them for his 900 xjr diversion) but there the level up if you want to put it that way bit stickier and still economical.

fairings not finished had some issues with the bog so they will be done and on the bike tomorow. dont worry, ill get you bike fappers your pics lol

You had problems with the bog? Bugger.....:sleep: My old man used sport demons on his fj1200, does that mean they suck?
Think about it, a 33hp hyosung is NOT going to over power the rear tyre. :niceone: Hope you pick a good tyre

[RDjase]

im waiting to see if they are going to limit the sizes if not i have some in mind that will kick arse there not the batle axes (those are for sport tourer bikes my friends my dad uses them for his 900 xjr diversion) but there the level up if you want to put it that way bit stickier and still economical.

fairings not finished had some issues with the bog so they will be done and on the bike tomorow. dont worry, ill get you bike fappers your pics lol

Dont put different sizes than your bike is rated for, Bigger isnt always better chaos,

Good to see you have some progress , get to a track ,its a blast:clap:

Whats a fapper?

[ducatilover]

Dont put different sizes than your bike is rated for, Bigger isnt always better chaos,

Good to see you habve some progress , get to a track ,its a blast:clap:

Whats a fapper?

Probably means intelligent beings.
Chaos, I would recommend looking at the Michelin P sporty [not the sport. They would be an ideal bit of rubber, better than a sport demon and shinko suck.

[RDjase]

Probably means intelligent beings.
Chaos, I would recommend looking at the Michelin P sporty [not the sport. They would be an ideal bit of rubber, better than a sport demon and shinko suck.

Sport Demons are great for the old bikes, can get all the old sizes,

your lucky having the range in tyres to choose from,

Go hard Chaos

[chaos rider]

the're not bigger. the're for lighter bikes, the batle axes are not the best for high profermance (dont get me wrong the're briliant tyres) but michilan made another tyre, the brother of the batle axe, cant remember the name.

they have a difrent tread and are made with a dif compound that suits sport bikes better the the tourers. very similar but (not better) but better suited.

[RDjase]

the're not bigger. the're for lighter bikes, the batle axes are not the best for high profermance (dont get me wrong the're briliant tyres) but michilan made another tyre, the brother of the batle axe, cant remember the name.

they have a difrent tread and are made with a dif compound that suits sport bikes better the the tourers. very similar but (not better) but better suited.

see if you can get BT39s , i know heaps of guys that use them on there buckets and 150ss, i would use them on my RD (120kg) but cant get them in 18s

[ducatilover]

the're not bigger. the're for lighter bikes, the batle axes are not the best for high profermance (dont get me wrong the're briliant tyres) but michilan made another tyre, the brother of the batle axe, cant remember the name.

they have a difrent tread and are made with a dif compound that suits sport bikes better the the tourers. very similar but (not better) but better suited.

As long as the tyre has a confidence inspiring characteristic you can't go wrong, some of the battle axes are great, infact you will find at an entry level you won't be to worried about the best rubber, you want to "read" the rubber after each ride and see how you are riding.

[ducatilover]

see if you can get BT39s , i know heaps of guys that use them on there buckets and 150ss, i would use them on my RD (120kg) but cant get them in 18s

The realistic weight on a hyosung is 180kg

[DELLORTO]

see if you can get BT39s , i know heaps of guys that use them on there buckets and 150ss, i would use them on my RD (120kg) but cant get them in 18s

BT39's are alright.....they arnt that good they were starting to slip out form under me......so now ive had to go get some 125gp tires

[RDjase]

BT39's are alright.....they arnt that good they were starting to slip out form under me......so now ive had to go get some 125gp tires

How did you enjoy Roys Hill? Nice track aye

The 250 rules look like they need street tyres so no 125 slicks for them

I just stick with my post classic bike,
and get my bucket fixed , nigel keeps asking were it is lol

[Hiflyer]

The realistic weight on a hyosung is 180kg

171 dry :niceone: so probly more than 180 all filled with fluid haha


EDIT: yea I was gunna get a stickier Bridgestone but the 45 has dual compund and I commute on my bike as well (When it works)

[ducatilover]

171 dry :niceone: so probly more than 180 all filled with fluid haha


EDIT: yea I was gunna get a stickier Bridgestone but the 45 has dual compund and I commute on my bike as well (When it works)

Rather heavy for a 250 twin....Mines 143kg half wet + 12 liters of petrol.

[Ooky]

171 dry :niceone: so probly more than 180 all filled with fluid haha

wow haha so wont need to look into 250 specific tyres due to the weight:eek:

[Hiflyer]

Rather heavy for a 250 twin....Mines 143kg half wet + 12 liters of petrol.


wow haha so wont need to look into 250 specific tyres due to the weight:eek:

I think heaps of the extra weight is in the wheels? is that right?

[ducatilover]

I think heaps of the extra weight is in the wheels? is that right?

And the extensive use of steel.....:bleh: the gp technology is great

[DELLORTO]

How did you enjoy Roys Hill? Nice track aye

The 250 rules look like they need street tyres so no 125 slicks for them

I just stick with my post classic bike,
and get my bucket fixed , nigel keeps asking were it is lol

yup roys hill was great

[RDjase]

171 dry :niceone: so probly more than 180 all filled with fluid haha


EDIT: yea I was gunna get a stickier Bridgestone but the 45 has dual compund and I commute on my bike as well (When it works)

My old RD350LC road bike bike(standard, original except for air box and jets) is 149.5 (weighed at kart track) and i just switched to reserve pulling in the gate, 17ltr tank(it needs it) i spose it would have had 2 litres for reserve, so 165kg full i guess,

theres nothing extra on the race bike lol, and its still a standard engine, makes a big difference a 30kg diet tho

180kg , i think my Duke is about that weight , there a heavy race those koreans:bleh:

You would watch BT39s wearing out for road use, good choice with the 45s

[RDjase]

wow haha so wont need to look into 250 specific tyres due to the weight:eek:

What does your RS weigh? A bit less than a Housung me thinks:bleh:

[DELLORTO]

are hyosungs even cabable of racing at 150 2t smoker level???

i mean if there only 33hp and 180kg......and my fxr150r is around 26hp and 98kg.... dosnt that make hyosungs alittle slow?

[Ooky]

What does your RS weigh? A bit less than a Housung me thinks:bleh:

138kg dry on a set of corner weights at work:clap: but it has to haul around my fat arse:spanking:

[ducatilover]

138kg dry on a set of corner weights at work:clap: but it has to haul around my fat arse:spanking:

But it also has alot of power and torque in comparison, oh and the brakes aren't made from wood and coke cans

[gatch]

Haa yeah man sport demons are not a premium tyre. But for 250s doing well under 200kph they have more than ample grip to handle what you can throw at them. I've had 3 rears and 2 fronts on the spada, sweet as.

[ducatilover]

Haa yeah man sport demons are not a premium tyre. But for 250s doing well under 200kph they have more than ample grip to handle what you can throw at them. I've had 3 rears and 2 fronts on the spada, sweet as.

They aren't too bad :niceone: nothing great. Certainly good for a road going two fiddy

[Hiflyer]

So correct me if I'm wrong but can you have slicks in the street stock class? or do they gotta be road tyres?

(Those stock ones that come with the daytona 675 look almost slick)

[RDjase]

are hyosungs even cabable of racing at 150 2t smoker level???

i mean if there only 33hp and 180kg......and my fxr150r is around 26hp and 98kg.... dosnt that make hyosungs alittle slow?

Power to weight ratio? whats that :bleh:

[Ooky]

So correct me if I'm wrong but can you have slicks in the street stock class? or do they gotta be road tyres?

(Those stock ones that come with the daytona 675 look almost slick)


can get the DOT aproved semi slicks i would guess with like sweet F all tread and nothing on the sides:niceone:

[Ooky]

Power to weight ratio? whats that :bleh:

something that gets destroyed when most riders get on:bleh:

[RDjase]

138kg dry on a set of corner weights at work:clap: but it has to haul around my fat arse:spanking:

cool, that makes my 29year old 350LC at 150kg pretty good then :niceone:

[koba]

So correct me if I'm wrong but can you have slicks in the street stock class? or do they gotta be road tyres?

(Those stock ones that come with the daytona 675 look almost slick)

Slicks are ok for most clubs but Vic Club prohibit them in their suplementary regs, we have to run road legal tyres. I prefer the road legal rules.

[koba]

can get the DOT aproved semi slicks i would guess with like sweet F all tread and nothing on the sides:niceone:

Try getting them in 100/70/17 crossply...

[koba]

are hyosungs even cabable of racing at 150 2t smoker level???

i mean if there only 33hp and 180kg......and my fxr150r is around 26hp and 98kg.... dosnt that make hyosungs alittle slow?

It would waste an FXR150 on a full size track.

I do wonder where you got 26 horspower from too, does it have stickers on it?

I used to have a GSX250 another fatty 250 twin and it was quite comparable to a 150 in track speed.
It was great with the earlier maligned IRC RX01s too...

[ducatilover]

Try getting them in 100/70/17 crossply...

Pilot sporty.

[ducatilover]

It would waste an FXR150 on a full size track.

I do wonder where you got 26 horspower from too, does it have stickers on it?

I used to have a GSX250 another fatty 250 twin and it was quite comparable to a 150 in track speed.
It was great with the earlier maligned IRC RX01s too...

nooooooooooo not the irc!

[koba]

Pilot sporty.

Maybe.
I know Dunlop TT900s and Bridgestone BT39SSs work though, I've seen Michelin Sportys out there but not on the podium.

In streetstock because you can't modify the bike having slightly better tyres than the other guy can mean so much.

[ducatilover]

Maybe.
I know Dunlop TT900s and Bridgestone BT39SSs work though, I've seen Michelin Sportys out there but not on the podium.

In streetstock because you can't modify the bike having slightly better tyres than the other guy can mean so much.

Yeah, but, in the 250 twins, if you have any bike but a vt250f2 or vt250j you are going to be too slow and heavy and need to be part rossi :doctor:

[koba]

Yeah, but, in the 250 twins, if you have any bike but a vt250f2 or vt250j you are going to be too slow and heavy and need to be part rossi :doctor:

vt250f2 or vt250j ?

and do you mean compared to an RG?

[ducatilover]

vt250f2 or vt250j ?

and do you mean compared to an RG?

Nah, just in the 250 twins class. The vt250f2 had the most power of all the 250 twins but didn't handle as good as the vt250j [spada] I still say the spada is the ideal 250 twin. I've ridden the lot of them and that's why I got the spada. Mind you all the 250 twins are actually wider to sit on than my bros650 was :devil2:

[gatch]

vt250f2 or vt250j ?

and do you mean compared to an RG?

F2 was the 87 model I think, faired, uglier than the fat naked hairy guy on Borat, has marginally more horse power than the spada but has a narrower usable spread of power. The "j" is the spada I'm sure, although mine was listed on the rego as "k"...

Edit - ha you beat me to it Doug, dirty bastid.

[koba]

Nah, just in the 250 twins class. The vt250f2 had the most power of all the 250 twins but didn't handle as good as the vt250j [spada] I still say the spada is the ideal 250 twin. I've ridden the lot of them and that's why I got the spada. Mind you all the 250 twins are actually wider to sit on than my bros650 was :devil2:

Yeah, they would probably do homolgated models though.
I've always been interested by spadas, they appeal but just seem too pricey.

[koba]

F2 was the 87 model I think, faired, uglier than the fat naked hairy guy on Borat, has marginally more horse power than the spada but has a narrower usable spread of power. The "j" is the spada I'm sure, although mine was listed on the rego as "k"...

Edit - ha you beat me to it Doug, dirty bastid.

I owned an MC08 whichever model that was, much older I think.
I bought it for a packet of biscuits.
It was a heap of crap when I got it but quite well made.

[ducatilover]

F2 was the 87 model I think, faired, uglier than the fat naked hairy guy on Borat, has marginally more horse power than the spada but has a narrower usable spread of power. The "j" is the spada I'm sure, although mine was listed on the rego as "k"...

Edit - ha you beat me to it Doug, dirty bastid. Hah I am the rice king! yeah, the f2 made 43hp but only made more power after 11krpm and less torque. Was your one 88 or 89? Your engine number was only 750 off mine


Yeah, they would probably do homolgated models though.
I've always been interested by spadas, they appeal but just seem too pricey.I paid $3800 for mine 3 and a half years ago. They are the best 250 twin yet they are still shit.

[ducatilover]

I owned an MC08 whichever model that was, much older I think.
I bought it for a packet of biscuits.
It was a heap of crap when I got it but quite well made.

They were the first, vt250f, 134kg and 34hp. Did it rattle? they had a poorly designed oil feed to the cam chain tensioners and rattled like crazy if you ran anything other than mineral oil for an extended period. One way to get around that was to drill the hole out 5 thou

[RDjase]

what is a competitive 4stroke 250? what are the weights and HP of the eligable bikes (for the twin class) ? The current 250 street stock class is open to all 4stroke 250 with no cylinder limit ?




How many 4 cyl 250s are still around? all a bit long in the tooth now arnt they, thrashed to death and not serviced from road use, i had a FZR250 years ago i ended up with on a deal, what a fiddly mongrel thing to work on, no wonder nothing got done to them


the proposed rule changes for this new class are on MNZ web site

[ducatilover]

what is a competitive 4stroke 250? what are the weights and HP of the eligable bikes (for the twin class) ? The current 250 street stock class is open to all 4stroke 250 with no cylinder limit ?




How many 4 cyl 250s are still around? all a bit long in the tooth now arnt they, thrashed to death and not serviced from road use, i had a FZR250 years ago i ended up with on a deal, what a fiddly mongrel thing to work on, no wonder nothing got done to them


the proposed rule changes for this new class are on MNZ web site
I would take a pre 92 cbr250rr mc22 for street stock, bullet proof motor and gear driven cams, very similar in performance to the zxr and 3ln yamahama but it doesn't blow up. competitive 4cyl 250 =140kg dry and 45hp, twin would be 135-140kg dry and 40hp

[RDjase]

I owned an MC08 whichever model that was, much older I think.
I bought it for a packet of biscuits.
It was a heap of crap when I got it but quite well made.

What are the ugly early inboard front disc models? like the MVX

[ducatilover]

What are the ugly early inboard front disc models? like the MVX

vt250fg......urgh

[koba]

They were the first, vt250f, 134kg and 34hp. Did it rattle? they had a poorly designed oil feed to the cam chain tensioners and rattled like crazy if you ran anything other than mineral oil for an extended period. One way to get around that was to drill the hole out 5 thou

It was rattling when it was parked up (apparently), I never put much effort into getting it running, I used the mirrors, gear linkage and a few other bits. It was complete but had just been sitting around too long.


what is a competitive 4stroke 250? what are the weights and HP of the eligable bikes (for the twin class) ? The current 250 street stock class is open to all 4stroke 250 with no cylinder limit ?



Vic Club has specific rules for 250 "Minilight" which includes all 250 four stroke roadbikes.
ZXRs and CBRs seem to excel here.

I don't know about other clubs.

[RDjase]

I would take a pre 92 cbr250rr mc22 for street stock, bullet proof motor and gear driven cams, very similar in performance to the zxr and 3ln yamahama but it doesn't blow up. competitive 4cyl 250 =140kg dry and 45hp, twin would be 135-140kg dry and 40hp

Im not up on the Diesels lol, weird idea for a engine, funny valve things in cylinder heads:bleh:,

Can you buy a powerband for them 4 strokes:msn-wink:

[koba]

Yep, inboard disc!

[ducatilover]

It was rattling when it was parked up (apparently), I never put much effort into getting it running, I used the mirrors, gear linkage and a few other bits. It was complete but had just been sitting around too long.


That would be about right.


Im not up on the Diesels lol, weird idea for a engine, funny valve things in cylinder heads:bleh:,

Can you buy a powerband for them 4 strokes:msn-wink: Yeah, I have a few here. Big fat fuckers :clap:

[Ooky]

weird idea for a engine, funny valve things in cylinder heads:bleh:,

Can you buy a powerband for them 4 strokes:msn-wink:

I know! they have a total waste of a stroke! :doh: over sight while developing?
and need a turbo to install a powerband in a 4stroke

[RDjase]

vt250fg......urgh

Ive got a MVX250 here at the mo, its getting a new home next week, i take it 2 manfeild next week for pick up (covered up ,dont want it seen on my trailer)

[RDjase]

vt250fg......urgh

White, pink and green, what style those honda designers had in the early 80s:bleh:

[ducatilover]

Ive got a MVX250 here at the mo, its getting a new home next week, i take it 2 manfeild next week for pick up (covered up ,dont want it seen on my trailer) My god, who actually owns an mvx? vee triple? argh!


White, pink and green, what style those honda designers had in the early 80s:bleh: Yeah, not the best paint scheme honda has done.....


I know! they have a total waste of a stroke! :doh: over sight while developing?
and need a turbo to install a powerband in a 4stroke Nah, not really. Just a good set of them cam shaft thingys or some funny cam timing...I have four spare cams here you may want?

[RDjase]

My god, who actually owns an mvx? vee triple? argh!

Yeah, not the best paint scheme honda has done.....

Nah, not really. Just a good set of them cam shaft thingys or some funny cam timing...I have four spare cams here you may want?

I dont REALY own a MVX , its just sort of at my house, well thats my excuse anyway:bleh: yep V3

This one is red, white and blue ,(and brown with rust) i think, cant say i have taken to much notice of it,

Camshafts? what do they do? are they sort of like reed valves?

[ducatilover]

I dont REALY own a MVX , its just sort of at my house, well thats my excuse anyway:bleh:

This one is red, white and blue ,(and brown with rust) i think, cant say i have taken to much notice of it,

Camshafts? what do they do? are they sort of like reed valves?

I hate the mvx with a passion :bleh: Camshafts? They spin round and round and give boyracers some bragging rights, eg; I have four cams, now suck my winky. Even though our race car has one cam and makes around 1800hp...the more cams you have the cooler you are

[RDjase]

I hate the mvx with a passion :bleh: Camshafts? They spin round and round and give boyracers some bragging rights, eg; I have four cams, now suck my winky. Even though our race car has one cam and makes around 1800hp...the more cams you have the cooler you are

haha, i know a guy that production raced a MVX , i think he hates them more than you lol

C you at Manfeild

[ducatilover]

haha, i know a guy that production raced a MVX , i think he hates them more than you lol

C you at Manfeild

Yeah I could understand that.

[chaos rider]

Power to weight ratio? whats that :bleh:

the division of power over weight

the 150 2's have 26hp over 98kg- so 1 / 3.7
the hyosung has 36hp (my one) over 170 (wet) -- so 1 / 4.2

power to weight the hyosung has more power to weight

but the 150 will probably faster in the corners.

[Hiflyer]

the division of power over weight

the 150 2's have 26hp over 98kg- so 1 / 3.7
the hyosung has 36hp (my one) over 170 (wet) -- so 1 / 4.2

power to weight the hyosung has more power to weight

but the 150 will probably faster in the corners.

... doesnt that mean that the hyo has 1 hp per 4.2 kgs where as the 150 has 1 per 3.7.... meaning the 150 has a better power to weight?? :bash:

bearing in mind a 1 to 1 is awesome! :D

the smaller the 2nd number the better

[rachprice]

the division of power over weight

the 150 2's have 26hp over 98kg- so 1 / 3.7
the hyosung has 36hp (my one) over 170 (wet) -- so 1 / 4.2

power to weight the hyosung has more power to weight

but the 150 will probably faster in the corners.

Isn't it just
power/weight

Therefore
the 150 (26hp) 19.39kW/98kg = 0.198kW/kg
the hyosung (36hp) 26.85kW/170kg = 0.158kW/kg

That would mean the 150s have a higher power to weight by your numbers (as 0.198 is a larger number than 0.158)
Though I think the RG's are more than 98kg

[rachprice]

But it would appear that you are wrong with your numbers anyway (who would have thought?)

http://www.motorbikes.be/en/Suzuki_RG_150_Gamma_1998.aspx
RG 150 1998
Power = 37hp
Weight = 122kg (dry)

http://www.bikez.com/motorcycles/hyosung_gt_250_r_2009.php
GT250R 2009
Power = 27.8hp
Weight = 171kg (dry)
Would appear you got your HP's mixed up huh?

[EJK]

But it would appear that you are wrong with your numbers anyway (who would have thought?)

http://www.motorbikes.be/en/Suzuki_RG_150_Gamma_1998.aspx
RG 150 1998
Power = 37hp
Weight = 122kg (dry)

http://www.bikez.com/motorcycles/hyosung_gt_250_r_2009.php
GT250R 2009
Power = 27.8hp
Weight = 171kg (dry)
Would appear you got your HP's mixed up huh?

Holy crap, the RG is lighter yet more powerful and still 100cc less. Oh well, that's a two stroke...

[Hiflyer]

But it would appear that you are wrong with your numbers anyway (who would have thought?)

http://www.motorbikes.be/en/Suzuki_RG_150_Gamma_1998.aspx
RG 150 1998
Power = 37hp
Weight = 122kg (dry)

http://www.bikez.com/motorcycles/hyosung_gt_250_r_2009.php
GT250R 2009
Power = 27.8hp
Weight = 171kg (dry)
Would appear you got your HP's mixed up huh?

na na he got 16 hp from tweaking the engine though..........

[rachprice]

na na he got 16 hp from tweaking the engine though..........

Oh yeah I forgot you can tweak your engine in streetstock :bash:
ahahha

[RDjase]

Power to weight ratio? whats that :bleh:


the division of power over weight

the 150 2's have 26hp over 98kg- so 1 / 3.7
the hyosung has 36hp (my one) over 170 (wet) -- so 1 / 4.2

power to weight the hyosung has more power to weight

but the 150 will probably faster in the corners.


I do know what is is lol

[RDjase]

Holy crap, the RG is lighter yet more powerful and still 100cc less. Oh well, that's a two stroke...

2 strokes rule:Punk: Yamahas are better tho:woohoo:

[rachprice]

2 strokes rule:Punk: Yamahas are better tho:woohoo:

No way :bleh:
Suzukis!!

[RDjase]

No way :bleh:
Suzukis!!

Yeah , there ok:yes:, ive got 3 lol, A 89RGV, T20(1968 250 twin race bike) and a a100 bucket

I got more yamahas tho:woohoo:

[RDjase]

Isn't it just
power/weight

Therefore
the 150 (26hp) 19.39kW/98kg = 0.198kW/kg
the hyosung (36hp) 26.85kW/170kg = 0.158kW/kg

That would mean the 150s have a higher power to weight by your numbers (as 0.198 is a larger number than 0.158)
Though I think the RG's are more than 98kg

What HP figures , at crank or rear wheel?

Its usualy easier to lose weight than increase HP (on race bikes any way)

HP cost $ (once u have sorted airboxs and jetting),
weight means unbolting suplus road gear

[EJK]

Yeah , there ok:yes:, ive got 3 lol, A 89RGV, T20(1968 250 twin race bike) and a a100 bucket

I got more yamahas tho:woohoo:

Sounds like a keen two stroke collector! Very nice! :sunny:

[rachprice]

What HP figures , at crank or rear wheel?

Its usualy easier to lose weight than increase HP (on race bikes any way)

HP cost $ (once u have sorted airboxs and jetting),
weight means unbolting suplus road gear

Oh yeah I was just pointing out how to calculate it correctly by his numbers which were wrong anyway

[Hiflyer]

I do know what is is lol

and he still got it wrong explaining it to you.

obviously the hyo has a better power to weight cos it has less power and more weight :pinch:

Well at least his goes at the moment

[RDjase]

Oh yeah I was just pointing out how to calculate it correctly by his numbers which were wrong anyway

Chaos getting his figures wrong ...........Never:gob:

[RDjase]

and he still got it wrong explaining it to you.

obviously the hyo has a better power to weight cos it has less power and more weight :pinch:

Well at least his goes at the moment

Whats wrong with your bike?:bash:

Chaos has got a huge advantage with power to weight over you at mo aye lol,:woohoo:

How fast can you push a hyosung?:sweatdrop:sweatdrop:sweatdrop

[Hiflyer]

How fast can you push a hyosung?:sweatdrop:sweatdrop:sweatdrop

probably faster than he can ride :rofl:

[RDjase]

probably faster than he can ride :rofl:

Thats just mean:bash: hes just about there, he will be at the track soon as:whistle:

When is your Track/Race day happening Chaos?

[RDjase]

What HP figures , at crank or rear wheel?



From memory(very vague) Rear wheel HP is 85% of crankshaft, I will find some old Dyno sheets and see

[gatch]

the division of power over weight

the 150 2's have 26hp over 98kg- so 1 / 3.7
the hyosung has 36hp (my one) over 170 (wet) -- so 1 / 4.2

power to weight the hyosung has more power to weight

but the 150 will probably faster in the corners.

Ha, hahahahahahahahaha

Move over Einstein..

[ducatilover]

the division of power over weight

the 150 2's have 26hp over 98kg- so 1 / 3.7
the hyosung has 36hp (my one) over 170 (wet) -- so 1 / 4.2

power to weight the hyosung has more power to weight

but the 150 will probably faster in the corners.
No mate, 33hp on the carburetor models and 28hp on the injected. 171kg dry, your headlight and other bits weigh fuck all.


Isn't it just
power/weight

Therefore
the 150 (26hp) 19.39kW/98kg = 0.198kW/kg
the hyosung (36hp) 26.85kW/170kg = 0.158kW/kg

That would mean the 150s have a higher power to weight by your numbers (as 0.198 is a larger number than 0.158)
Though I think the RG's are more than 98kg
He got it wrong Rach, you win.


But it would appear that you are wrong with your numbers anyway (who would have thought?)

http://www.motorbikes.be/en/Suzuki_RG_150_Gamma_1998.aspx
RG 150 1998
Power = 37hp
Weight = 122kg (dry)

http://www.bikez.com/motorcycles/hyosung_gt_250_r_2009.php
GT250R 2009
Power = 27.8hp
Weight = 171kg (dry)
Would appear you got your HP's mixed up huh? He was only 3hp off on his hyo [carbie model] :Oops:But he also said by removing the retard wire and cutting the baffles he got 16hp....nope. The rg150 will eat the arse off the hyosung gt250000p all day long.

[ducatilover]

What HP figures , at crank or rear wheel?

Its usualy easier to lose weight than increase HP (on race bikes any way)

HP cost $ (once u have sorted airboxs and jetting),
weight means unbolting suplus road gear

hahahahahaha the hyo makes about 24-25hp at the wheel on the carbie model. :gob:

[puddytat]

I wouldnt be doing any tweaking on a 250 twin yet...I'd read the proposed rules for them, not for the 150 ss

[DarkLord]

When you say Street Stock... does that mean no mods to the bike at all? Not even a noisy zorst? :confused:

[ducatilover]

I would assume you are allowed a noisy exhaust and different rubber and brake pads and lines. But best to wait as has been said, till final rules are set

[DarkLord]

I'd hope so.... Hyos are no fun unless the zorst is noisy... nor do they sound as cool.

[ducatilover]

It would be a disgusting sounding race with them all doing their sewing machine noises :argh:

[DarkLord]

I wonder if you'd get away with sneaking in a Hyo with a K9 GSX-R 1000 engine inside?

Would be cool if you did.... you'd sure win the race easy... if the frame didn't collapse under the sheer awesomeness of the Gixxer engine, that is :rockon:

[ducatilover]

I wonder if you'd get away with sneaking in a Hyo with a K9 GSX-R 1000 engine inside?

Would be cool if you did.... you'd sure win the race easy... if the frame didn't collapse under the sheer awesomeness of the Gixxer engine, that is :rockon:

I would give you a crate of beer to do it, we shall pretend the motor will fit too....what about a 650cc four stroke 250 gp bike

[DarkLord]

I would give you a crate of beer to do it, we shall pretend the motor will fit too....what about a 650cc four stroke 250 gp bike

True ay.... grab an engine out of a wrecked 650R (I've seen a few on Tardme lately) and bung it in... good chance it may actually fit too!!

When the question gets asked of why your bike is so quick compared to the others.... erm, say it had 10 weetbix this morning where as the other Hyo's must have only had 8? :yes:

[ducatilover]

True ay.... grab an engine out of a wrecked 650R (I've seen a few on Tardme lately) and bung it in... good chance it may actually fit too!!

When the question gets asked of why your bike is so quick compared to the others.... erm, say it had 10 weetbix this morning where as the other Hyo's must have only had 8? :yes:

Hahahahahaha Bling for that:rockon:

[ajturbo]

It would be a disgusting sounding race with them all doing their sewing machine noises :argh:
like the new R1's?