Operation Mataki - SH75 to Akaroa

[Akzle]

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I saw that on coming miles away - you're so predictable!:rolleyes:

Oh, and no second prizes sonny, no second prizes... :bleh:

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easier just to dismiss it than try justifying your own position eh?
back to the hooch, scum puppy.
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[Kickaha]

can you provide links that show cops have improved anything, ever?
No I can't but unlike you I haven't made any claims either way

[Dave-]

can you provide links that show cops have improved anything, ever?


Actually I can, it'll take me a few days to gather data and run the calcs but yes I can.

I have to get through exams first though.

[Drew]

Devils advocate here. The lowered speed tolerance on long weekends hasn't changed a thing, will the powers that be take any note of that and change tack, (it started as a nautical term, stop saying " changing tact" cunts!)?

No they wont. But we're supposed to obey and believe they really do want the road toll down?

Serious question time. In the budget, is the revenue from traffic fines written as an income?

I think it is, and it implies that the government is banking on Kiwi's dying on our roads. Because..."Speed kills".

[oneofsix]

Devils advocate here. The lowered speed tolerance on long weekends hasn't changed a thing, will the powers that be take any note of that and change tack, (it started as a nautical term, stop saying " changing tact" cunts!)?

No they wont. But we're supposed to obey and believe they really do want the road toll down?

Serious question time. In the budget, is the revenue from traffic fines written as an income?

I think it is, and it implies that the government is banking on Kiwi's dying on our roads. Because..."Speed kills".

changing tact as in abbreviated changing tactics :rolleyes: ok just being an silly, it is changing tack as in changing direction with regards to the wind in sailing (they don't even have motors :crazy:)

You just have to obey, belief is optional :not:

They are banking on Kiwis speeding as a continued revenue stream and don't have to do anything to actually stop it as they know it isn't related to real road safety but makes a good strawman. :lol:

[Dave-]

Devils advocate here. The lowered speed tolerance on long weekends hasn't changed a thing, will the powers that be take any note of that and change tack, (it started as a nautical term, stop saying " changing tact" cunts!)?

No they wont. But we're supposed to obey and believe they really do want the road toll down?

Serious question time. In the budget, is the revenue from traffic fines written as an income?

I think it is, and it implies that the government is banking on Kiwi's dying on our roads. Because..."Speed kills".

Has that been going long enough to draw a conclusion?

Didn't we have like 0 deaths at easter or something?

[oneofsix]

Has that been going long enough to draw a conclusion?

Didn't we have like 0 deaths at easter or something?

The Govt drew the conclusion that lowering the tolerance had worked after that Easter you refer to, this just proves what everyone else warned. The tolerance is :bs:

[HenryDorsetCase]

can you provide links that show cops have improved anything, ever?[/COLOR]



I would suggest that it would be up to you to show that a society bereft of the social control mechanisms which you abhor would be better in any way than the admittedly imperfect society we have now.

What would be the outcome? I put it to you that people are fundamentally not that pleasant, and that within five years there would be a dystopian Mad Max style society (or perhaps something along the lines of Carpenter's "Escape from New York"): some sort of dog eat dog, mob rule, violent surreal dystopia. Not the anarcho-socialist paradise of your dreams. People are not nice. And if they can exploit, or steal or rape or kill without fear of consequence, I put it to you that that is what they will do.

thoughts?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Devils advocate here. The lowered speed tolerance on long weekends hasn't changed a thing, will the powers that be take any note of that and change tack, (it started as a nautical term, stop saying " changing tact" cunts!)?

No they wont. But we're supposed to obey and believe they really do want the road toll down?

Serious question time. In the budget, is the revenue from traffic fines written as an income?

I think it is, and it implies that the government is banking on Kiwi's dying on our roads. Because..."Speed kills".

Pah: softie. if you were w a true Devils advocate you would say "The limit is the limit. there is no tolerance".

[HenryDorsetCase]

Has that been going long enough to draw a conclusion?

Didn't we have like 0 deaths at easter or something?

and yet at a shorter llong weekend just passed there were what, 8? What say you about "tolerance" now?

In fact, I think all vehicles should be electronically governed so that they cannot exceed 100kph, and that if you do, satellites armed with lasers should be programmed to shoot you from orbit.

[Dave-]

and yet at a shorter llong weekend just passed there were what, 8? What say you about "tolerance" now?

In fact, I think all vehicles should be electronically governed so that they cannot exceed 100kph, and that if you do, satellites armed with lasers should be programmed to shoot you from orbit.

well I would look at an average and make a conclusion from that.

but considering without policing it might have been up to 4 million, so I think 8 is pretty good.

[oneofsix]

and yet at a shorter llong weekend just passed there were what, 8? What say you about "tolerance" now?

In fact, I think all vehicles should be electronically governed so that they cannot exceed 100kph, and that if you do, satellites armed with lasers should be programmed to shoot you from orbit.

one confused lad, if they are governed so you can't exceed 100k what need the lasers? Re purpose the lasers so that if they drop below 100k they are burnt to ash so following traffic can proceed unhindered.

[willytheekid]

The Govt drew the conclusion that lowering the tolerance had worked after that Easter you refer to, this just proves what everyone else warned. The tolerance is :bs:

:yes: A friggin men mate.

Mind you with a freeze on funding, and the Popo needing to find 200 million in spending cuts http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/118426/police-union-president-warns-of-budget-freeze-risk

...a 4k bullshit limit and the purchase of even more speeding cameras (that are proven NOT to effect peoples speed or driving standards...just there wallet), equals EASY MONEY for less outlay...just what the Govn't wants to see from them. (that would be the Popos boss!...do ya trust them??)

The new limit is a clear revenue grab that conflicts with the mechanical standards of vehicles in this country (Speedo & cruise control tollerances**), and the biggest impact it has had, is that most kiwi drivers are even more distracted because of it...watching the speedo more than the road now

....but as soon as we see a busy & wet holiday period...the sad truth will come out...this isn't about safety...never was!,its about money!...as bloody usual.

Wanna passively fight back?...don't accept the ticket!, give your details and politely ask the Popo to post it out ;) (the admin costs more...fucks with there bottom line-as this is actually about money not safety...and yes, you CAN legally do this...but remember to be polite!, Popo's just doing there job following corporate orders...I mean Govn't orders)

{**The NZ AA are still arguing the fact that speedo's have an allowed mechanical tollerance of 8-10%, crusie control has a 6-8kph "float"...so if you have the crusie control set at 98kph, and the speedo is reading that...you can still be ticketed for "speeding"....when two standards/laws clash, theres a problem!}

[oneofsix]

Agreed Willy. I have seen stats from the UK which showed cameras increase crashes, popo reduce them. Think this is something to do with human reaction to person versus object. Anyhow if it was about safety they would be employing more popo not buying cameras, but then the public would want the popo to do general safety rather than just speed. Sounding a little bit like a :Police: that posts on here :facepalm:

[willytheekid]

Agreed Willy. I have seen stats from the UK which showed cameras increase crashes, popo reduce them. Think this is something to do with human reaction to person versus object. Anyhow if it was about safety they would be employing more popo not buying cameras, but then the public would want the popo to do general safety rather than just speed. Sounding a little bit like a :Police: that posts on here :facepalm:

very true! :yes:

I feel sorry for the Popo, less funding, more responsibility heaped on them everyday, and people thinking THEY are the ones introducing these revenue grabing laws ("cough..Akzle..cough").
Popo's do a great job, with very little funding and support...but sadly they are like the rest of us...if the boss says do it!...you have to do it regardless of personal belief.
I feel the Govn't needs to wake up and see the real issues...the bulshit legal system in this country!, repeat drink drivers walking out of court etc laughing!...all the Popos hard work undone by slimy smart arsed lawyers and a poor legal system that gives offenders more rights than the innocent.

As for speeding...4k over say's "close enough" but no danger here...10k over says not paying attention! and a possible accident due to lack of said attention.
But, the cold hard facts remain...the law is the law, and the cheapest way to "look" like your doing something about safety on NZ roads, is to lower the speed limits and tollerances!...driver education and fixing roads costs alot of money...getting a monkey to put a new speed sigh up costs bugger all!...once again, its about money!...not safety!

...just don't take it out on the average Popo, he's just doing his job enforcing the rules...not making them!

ps: I hope everyone had a great long weekend:yes:...I had to work...and it was damn busy! lol

[Scuba_Steve]

What would be the outcome? I put it to you that people are fundamentally not that pleasant, and that within five years there would be a dystopian Mad Max style society (or perhaps something along the lines of Carpenter's "Escape from New York"): some sort of dog eat dog, mob rule, violent surreal dystopia. Not the anarcho-socialist paradise of your dreams. People are not nice. And if they can exploit, or steal or rape or kill without fear of consequence, I put it to you that that is what they will do.

thoughts?

Sounds like you're well indoctrinated... You know the police weren't always round ay? & for the most part things worked pretty well without them. They were brought in as a form of control in sheeps clothing

[oneofsix]

Sounds like you're well indoctrinated... You know the police weren't always round ay? & for the most part things worked pretty well without them. They were brought in as a form of control in sheeps clothing

Actually some form of copper has been around longer than most like to believe. In tribal societies the chief/ king or what ever the title was chosen because they could beat the crap out of the others and therefore keep order. Then as the society grows and diversifies you get barons, lord and other underlings keeping control over their slice of the group down to the sheriffs of Robin hood fame and just before the police themselves were "invented" (evolved) there were the likes of the Beadles of London. The police removed a lot of the corruption that the older systems had but wherever political influence welds power corruption sneaks in, usually leads the way.

[Akzle]

No I can't but unlike you I haven't made any claims either way
but you seem so incensed!

Actually I can, it'll take me a few days to gather data and run the calcs but yes I can.

I have to get through exams first though.
no stress, we'll all be here waiting.
((unless i die from going too fast))


Has that been going long enough to draw a conclusion?

Didn't we have like 0 deaths at easter or something?
yup. whoop dee shit. it fluctuates all the time.
having more "drivers" on the road should not equal a rise in crash rates. that's implying that driving at all is just gambling and the higher the numbers the lower the odds of you surviving.
we also probably had 0 deaths over the 4 days before the public holiday, infact, pick any four days, there's a good chance no-one's gonna die, but then again, you might just get a dozen fuck it up. or a van full of backpackers rolling down a cliff. or. or. or...


I would suggest that it would be up to you to show that a society bereft of the social control mechanisms which you abhor would be better in any way than the admittedly imperfect society we have now.

What would be the outcome? I put it to you that people are fundamentally not that pleasant, and that within five years there would be a dystopian Mad Max style society (or perhaps something along the lines of Carpenter's "Escape from New York"): some sort of dog eat dog, mob rule, violent surreal dystopia. Not the anarcho-socialist paradise of your dreams. People are not nice. And if they can exploit, or steal or rape or kill without fear of consequence, I put it to you that that is what they will do.

thoughts?you would suggest it's up to me. because that takes the onus off you. eh?
i would dearly love to believe in the inherent goodness of people, but yeah, history, hell, the 6 oclock news, proves elsewise. however. as conscious, sentient beings, why is it that we can't all work together, rather than focusing on our own corner, why can't the collective decide to move forward positively? there are certain things eveyone needs, possibly that everyone wants, the current system is not achieving this, so why not give another way a crack?
the police ARE NOT a social control mechanism. pretty much everyone on here has admitted to infringing some legislation or other, knowing that those scary police are out there, but, to most of us, it's a numbers game. why rego the bike if i'm not going to get caught more than twice a year? why not save myself some money eh.
if the police are effective, why does crime persist? why has the balance not tipped toward the "goodness" (as dictated by your government) why not just make everyone "police"?
they seem to be placed on some pedestal, given status as "above the citizens", and there is fuckall recourse when they do illegal search/seizure/shoot someone/break a kids neck/force old men to the ground/run someone off the road etc, it's just hush hushed up, and unless you're kim dotcom-wealthy, you aint gonna get shit.

(ps. i do not object to mad-maxery, infact, i'm hoping for it)




In fact, I think all vehicles should be electronically governed so that they cannot exceed 100kph, and that if you do, satellites armed with lasers should be programmed to shoot you from orbit.
just it, innit. if the govt was serioius about us drivng at a "safe" speed, new imports would be limited to 100k/h. i'm sure it's not that hard to plug a modern ECU in and restrict it., then over the next X years it would become a WOF requirement, innit?

well I would look at an average and make a conclusion from that.

but considering without policing it might have been up to 4 million, so I think 8 is pretty good. you think 4 million people could kill themselves, if none of them were police? :rofl:
you are truly deluded.


I feel sorry for the Popo, less funding, more responsibility heaped on them everyday, and people thinking THEY are the ones introducing these revenue grabing laws ("cough..Akzle..cough").
Popo's do a great job, with very little funding and support...but sadly they are like the rest of us...if the boss says do it!...you have to do it regardless of personal belief.
I feel the Govn't needs to wake up and see the real issues...the bulshit legal system in this country!, repeat drink drivers walking out of court etc laughing!...all the Popos hard work undone by slimy smart arsed lawyers and a poor legal system that gives offenders more rights than the innocent.

...just don't take it out on the average Popo, he's just doing his job enforcing the rules...not making them!

i don't take anything out on anyone, and if you read a bit more of what i post you'd see that i have a fair grasp of the system and well aware that the plod are just front line policy enforcement.
that does not excuse their cuntery. nor does it excuse their ignorance of the law (y'know. the policy they're supposed to enforce) and when i tell them that X, Y or Z is illegal and/or unlawful, and they proceed to cunt, it doesn't endear me to them any more.

the rest comes down to a massive difference of opinion (and experience?), i'd say there are 3 kinds of people: one's who think the cops are good (<15% ), one's who think they're bad (~40 % ), and one's who dont have an opinion (the balance %)
i'm firmly in the "they aint done shit for me" camp. every interaction with them has been either a) a pointless waste of everyone's time or b) negative.
this is both me as an "offender" and "victim of crime"

[Drew]

Pah: softie. if you were w a true Devils advocate you would say "The limit is the limit. there is no tolerance".I do say that. The tollerence plays on peoples mind, and everyone tries to sit right at it as the limit.

100kph is the open road speed limit. That is the law. It is not hard for even the stupidest cunts to understand. But just to muddy it up, we'll let you go a bit over. FUCKED!

Sitting on 100k's is easy, should the unthinkable happen and it creeps up a couple, then Mr Plod might just waggle a finger at you and carry on his merry way. For Mr Plods dumb fuckin boss to say. "Mr plod will let you away with (insert arbitrary number here)kph", makes the "limit" a "guideline", and retards the country over will abuse it.

There is no argument against what I have just said. That someone might think paying fines for breaking the law is a cash grab, stop speeding to really 'stick it to the man'!

I ask about the budget, is because if you think about it they are breaking the law by entrapping us. They require the money to keep the country afloat, but they have made the laws that are being infringed to gather the funds. And round and round we go.

It's a clear conflict of interest, and if it's not illegal, it's sure as fuckin hell unethical!

[scumdog]

There is no argument against what I have just said. That someone might think paying fines for breaking the law is a cash grab, stop speeding to really 'stick it to the man'!


So many times have I said this - and have people listened?? -nooooo....

Been driving since 1968 (boy, am I getting tired...) and had one speeding ticket - sometimes driving/riding like a nana pays.;)

[Dave-]

{**The NZ AA are still arguing the fact that speedo's have an allowed mechanical tollerance of 8-10%, crusie control has a 6-8kph "float"...so if you have the crusie control set at 98kph, and the speedo is reading that...you can still be ticketed for "speeding"....when two standards/laws clash, theres a problem!}

People have got off for showing police cruise control settings too.

I find it hard to believe though that cruise control can be much more inaccurate than your speedo, I accept a little bit because the cruise control only does what the speedo says, but not 6 to 8km/h.

Can you post a citation?



yup. whoop dee shit. it fluctuates all the time.
having more "drivers" on the road should not equal a rise in crash rates. that's implying that driving at all is just gambling and the higher the numbers the lower the odds of you surviving.
we also probably had 0 deaths over the 4 days before the public holiday, infact, pick any four days, there's a good chance no-one's gonna die, but then again, you might just get a dozen fuck it up. or a van full of backpackers rolling down a cliff. or. or. or...

you think 4 million people could kill themselves, if none of them were police? :rofl:
you are truly deluded.


No of course not dumbass, I'm mocking you with an equally as wild claim as your own.

We have this thing called an average, where we can say "in the last 4 weekends, 2 people died in the first weekend, 3 in the second, only 1 in the third and 4 died in the last weekend, so in total 10 people have died, and and as average, 2.5 people have died every weekend for the last 4 weekends" forget the fact that you have 0.5 of a person, honestly you're too stupid for me to explain rounding.

So yes, although we did have 1 long weekend where no one died, and yes we did have 1 shorter long weekend where 8 people died, the average will reflect this and in the long run I think you'll see it trending downwards.

So to summarise if you want to prove me wrong, the best thing you can do is go and wrap yourself around a tree to prove how little the police do, I'll make sure to add an nice +1 to my findings.

[Drew]

So many times have I said this - and have people listened?? -nooooo....

Been driving since 1968 (boy, am I getting tired...) and had one speeding ticket - sometimes driving/riding like a nana pays.;)No one's going to listen to me either man. Except with me, they've got pretty good reason in precedent.

[FJRider]

No one's going to listen to me either man.

Of course we listen ... otherwise we can't argue with everything you say ... :whistle:

[Dave-]

So I sold my road r6 a year ago, too many speeding tickets.

I drive a mx5 around these days (seriously great car) and race a newer r6 on the track.

Guess how many speeding tickets I've had since I did that?

I honestly drive around at the posted speed limit, sometimes 2 or 3km/h slower if it's raining or night time.

[Drew]

So I sold my road r6 a year ago, too many speeding tickets.

I drive a mx5 around these days (seriously great car) and race a newer r6 on the track.

Guess how many speeding tickets I've had since I did that?

I honestly drive around at the posted speed limit, sometimes 2 or 3km/h slower if it's raining or night time.Sooooo, you used to be cool?

[Dave-]

Sooooo, you used to be cool?

Fuck I use to be king of the roost, even D wanted to come on my rides and wave his cock around. I use to have to put him in his place a bit though so it got tedious having him around.

Then I went racing and got schooled in cool.

[Bassmatt]

I do say that. The tollerence plays on peoples mind, and everyone tries to sit right at it as the limit.

100kph is the open road speed limit. That is the law. It is not hard for even the stupidest cunts to understand. But just to muddy it up, we'll let you go a bit over. FUCKED!

Sitting on 100k's is easy, should the unthinkable happen and it creeps up a couple, then Mr Plod might just waggle a finger at you and carry on his merry way. For Mr Plods dumb fuckin boss to say. "Mr plod will let you away with (insert arbitrary number here)kph", makes the "limit" a "guideline", and retards the country over will abuse it.


I have to agree. As far as I am concerned the open road speed limit is 110kph. In fact the last speeding ticket I recieved was for doing 111kph :facepalm: in a 100 zone - the nice popo kindly informed me if I had been doing 110kph he would not have stopped me.

[oneofsix]

I do say that. The tollerence plays on peoples mind, and everyone tries to sit right at it as the limit.

100kph is the open road speed limit. That is the law. It is not hard for even the stupidest cunts to understand. But just to muddy it up, we'll let you go a bit over. FUCKED!

Sitting on 100k's is easy, should the unthinkable happen and it creeps up a couple, then Mr Plod might just waggle a finger at you and carry on his merry way. For Mr Plods dumb fuckin boss to say. "Mr plod will let you away with (insert arbitrary number here)kph", makes the "limit" a "guideline", and retards the country over will abuse it.

There is no argument against what I have just said. That someone might think paying fines for breaking the law is a cash grab, stop speeding to really 'stick it to the man'!

I ask about the budget, is because if you think about it they are breaking the law by entrapping us. They require the money to keep the country afloat, but they have made the laws that are being infringed to gather the funds. And round and round we go.

It's a clear conflict of interest, and if it's not illegal, it's sure as fuckin hell unethical!

the speed limit is a guideline regardless of tolerance or not as you only have an estimate of your speed to go by. You mention entrapment but isn't being aware of what you are doing even as important and the fact that your speedos are checked or required to be exact also has to be part of the entrapment. True ignorance of the law is no excuse but not being able to judge if you have crossed the line due to limits outside your control? Travelling below the limit is also a problem but if your speedo says you are at the limit when you aren't what are you to do? Personally I have worked out what my speedo reads when I am travelling at about 100 kph however I am also aware that the speedo doesn't always vary by the same amount. This is one reason I think the tolerance is stupid, then there is the watching the speedo instead of the road etc see that every morning down the gorge past one of NZs biggest stealing stationary cameras, talk about crap driving due to the presence of a camera. :facepalm:

[rossirep]

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I drive a mx5 around these days (seriously great hairdressers car) .



hahahahahahahahahahahahahah nuff said.. hahahahahahahahaha

[Akzle]

Been driving since 1968 (boy, am I getting tired...) and had one speeding ticket - sometimes driving/riding like a nana pays.;)
riding like a nana (bitch) since '68.

fuck that.


No of course not dumbass, I'm mocking you with an equally as wild claim as your own.

So yes, although we did have 1 long weekend where no one died, and yes we did have 1 shorter long weekend where 8 people died, the average will reflect this and in the long run I think you'll see it trending downwards.
what wild claim was that? sounded like you were just mouthing off from here...:whistle:

it IS trending downwards. fatal car crashes in general are trending downwards.

...know why?

(hint: it is not cops)( cop numbers are trending upwards)( so is the rate at which i feel the need to masturbate about just how good i am.)(also trending up is the number of vehicles on the road...)

(hint 2: 80 % of fatal crashes happen below the speed limit, statistically, i'm safer if i'm speeding :motu:)

[dangerous]

Fuck I use to be king of the roost, even D wanted to come on my rides and wave his cock around. I use to have to put him in his place a bit though so it got tedious having him around.
Then I went racing and got schooled in cool.
LMFAO... dave I gota spread rep man... LOL



I drive a mx5 around these days (seriously great car) and race a newer r6 on the track.Ya know... its funny you say that... I always thought there was something gay bout you man... ;)



Been driving since 1968 (boy, am I getting tired...) and had one speeding ticket - sometimes driving/riding like a nana pays.;)and some times riding with me... at some what well over the limit... you bad bastard piglet, whats ya secrete? (non red bike right, once I was done 5 times in 4 weeks, go figger?



Pah: softie. if you were w a true Devils advocate you would say "The limit is the limit. there is no tolerance".yeah... thats what I dont get... as below


The lowered speed tolerance on long weekends hasn't changed a thingYa right aye whitey, and when some say it has like after the 0 death weekend, fuck sake 5k tolerance had nothing to do with it none would a died that weekend with or wih out...

heres why... I hit the road last sunday, kept the speed down knowing the 5k bullshit thing... then after a beer I figered Id do my usual 120k cruse, why... cos 5k t or not I would get pulled for 120 reguardless so why not enjoy the ride if nicked wont cost me any more that if it was a 15k t, fucked if ya think bout it... hit 220 on the way home, why you ask cos the fine is no worse that if Im done at 141kph.



riding like a nana (bitch) since '68.green really fucks me off knob rot ;) actually mate, I ride with piglet SD and not once have we done a ride legal... so shows you know SFA about shit... so piss off back to SA... heheheheeeeeeeeeeeeee (incert kiss icon)

[Dave-]

what wild claim was that? sounded like you were just mouthing off from here...:whistle:

it IS trending downwards. fatal car crashes in general are trending downwards.

...know why?

(hint: it is not cops)( cop numbers are trending upwards)( so is the rate at which i feel the need to masturbate about just how good i am.)(also trending up is the number of vehicles on the road...)

(hint 2: 80 % of fatal crashes happen below the speed limit, statistically, i'm safer if i'm speeding :motu:)

So fatal car crashes are trending downwards, and cop numbers are trending upwards?

So as we add more cops, the fatal crashes go down? that would be a good thing right? so we should keep adding more police? and you cannot see a correlation here?....yet down there you say "your existence in uniform has not reduced crime, has not reduced road fatalities" so now you're contradicting yourself?

We have a word for people like you, you've probably heard your nurse explain it to people when she's in public with you and you're dribbling a bit....

You also make wild claims like the one below, and your one about 80% of fatal accidents, without posting a source for your information I have no way of knowing if you're telling the truth or making it up.


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your existence in uniform has not reduced crime, has not reduced road fatalities, has not improved the quality of anyone's life. has not reduced drink driving incidence, has not reduced serious harm, has not reduced family violence, has not reduced organised crime (in fact, your job IS organised crime)/ unsanctioned gang activity, has not reduced youth suicide, has not reduced teen pregnancy (illegal), has not reduced vandalism, has not reduced alcohol abuse..
so, just how is it you claim to make my community safer, together (implying you somehow work WITH me, rather than being a public servant working FOR me?, or rather, as it is, forcibly claiming authority to tell me how to work FOR you)

[Akzle]

So as we add more cops, the fatal crashes go down? that would be a good thing right? so we should keep adding more police? and you cannot see a correlation here?....yet down there you say "your existence in uniform has not reduced crime, has not reduced road fatalities" so now you're contradicting yourself?

You also make wild claims like the one below, and your one about 80% of fatal accidents, without posting a source for your information I have no way of knowing if you're telling the truth or making it up.

i also mentioned that my tendency to masturbate has increased. so maybe if i sit around jerking off al day there'll be no crashes at all eh?
the price of petrol is trending upward, maybe that stops car crashes
global temperatures are trending upwards, maybe that stops crashes
catastrophic weather events are trending upwards, maybe they stop crashes
labour's popularity is trending upwards, milk solid production on organic farms is trending upwards, growth rates of endemic forest is trending upwards, rate of abortions is trending upwards. getting the point?
(hint: there is no correlation to be drawn between those two facts.)

really, your logic is like saying "because there's more ice cream being produced, it was sunny today."

how 'bout put aside the put-downs and actually bring something sensible to the table, eh? else you just sound like a cock.
plenty of time to spout off, where's that research you promised? then you might not need me to tell you the facts...

[Dave-]

i also mentioned that my tendency to masturbate has increased. so maybe if i sit around jerking off al day there'll be no crashes at all eh?
the price of petrol is trending upward, maybe that stops car crashes
global temperatures are trending upwards, maybe that stops crashes
catastrophic weather events are trending upwards, maybe they stop crashes
labour's popularity is trending upwards, milk solid production on organic farms is trending upwards, growth rates of endemic forest is trending upwards, rate of abortions is trending upwards. getting the point?
(hint: there is no correlation to be drawn between those two facts.)

really, your logic is like saying "because there's more ice cream being produced, it was sunny today."

how 'bout put aside the put-downs and actually bring something sensible to the table, eh? else you just sound like a cock.
plenty of time to spout off, where's that research you promised? then you might not need me to tell you the facts...

I understand correlation and causation, all those things you listed are independent, we do have an empirical check for whether the number of police on the roads rising is related to the number of fatal crashes reducing.

My data will come after the 11th of November, I have 3 more exams and a race meeting to do before I get to that.

[Oakie]

can you provide links that show cops have improved anything, ever?

[/COLOR]

Oh, apart from the famous '3 strikes' policy which they were at the sharp end of in New York City:

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/AK1210/S00015/southland-area-crime-drops-further.htm
http://www.policeassn.org.nz/newsroom/publications/media-releases/crime-drop-shows-investment-police-works
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/local-papers/wairarapa-news/7760391/Wairarapa-slashes-crime-rate
http://www.infonews.co.nz/news.cfm?id=87309
http://www.infonews.co.nz/news.cfm?id=97348
http://www.wanganuichronicle.co.nz/news/praise-due-for-lower-crime-rate/1566174/

Of course you can never prove that Police are responsibie for the drops because how do you credit someone for something that didn't happen but there are some real statistics in amongst this lot. Better than some of the figures already plucked from the air in this thread. Feel free to ignore discredit or dismiss these as propaganda but these figures were 10 minutes research so I'm sure there is plenty more like this out there. If just 1% of the decreases claimed are attributable to popo then you are wrong Mr Akzle. Carry on though. I do enjoy your ramblings because they are at least articulate. My daughter used to argue in the same articulate rage that you present ... but she was only 15 or 16 at the time. She grew out of it. You will too.

[huff3r]

(hint 2: 80 % of fatal crashes happen below the speed limit, statistically, i'm safer if i'm speeding :motu:)

What percentage of motorists travel below the speed limit? Just a heads up, if it's less than 80% then statistically it's actually the speeders that are screwed. You can't make a judgement call with only half the data.

But you know that right? Cos you know everything and all? Does that make you feel better? Having your ego stroked?

[FJRider]

I understand correlation and causation, all those things you listed are independent, we do have an empirical check for whether the number of police on the roads rising is related to the number of fatal crashes reducing.

My data will come after the 11th of November, I have 3 more exams and a race meeting to do before I get to that.

Interesting reading here ...

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/road-deaths/toll.html

http://www.transport.govt.nz/research/annualroadtollhistoricalinformation/

[Scuba_Steve]

What percentage of motorists travel below the speed limit? Just a heads up, if it's less than 80% then statistically it's actually the speeders that are screwed. You can't make a judgement call with only half the data.

But you know that right? Cos you know everything and all? Does that make you feel better? Having your ego stroked?

I would put slow drivers at around 80-90% of road users. Very few people (maybee 3-4 throughout the day) would exceed or even match my speed

(based on own experience driving a truck 10-12hrs/day 5 days a week)

[Oakie]

What percentage of motorists travel below the speed limit? Just a heads up, if it's less than 80% then statistically it's actually the speeders that are screwed. You can't make a judgement call with only half the data.

But you know that right? Cos you know everything and all? Does that make you feel better? Having your ego stroked?

Yeah. A bit like saying because 40% of accidents are caused by people with alcohol in their blood system that means you should drink because 60% of accidents are caused by people who haven't been drinking. As the quote that has been attributed to many people goes "Torture statistics enough and they'll confess to anything".

[Akzle]

we do have an empirical check for whether the number of police on the roads rising is related to the number of fatal crashes reducing.
i did nae say there are more cops on the roads, just more cops. (mostly in south auckland, how's the crime rate down there?, it's easier to get weed in south auckland than f*ing hamilton, what does that tell you about having more cops... easier weed?)
but nah, i'm highly interested in this empirical check... as i said bro, we're here waiting...




Of course you can never prove that Police are responsibie for the drops because how do you credit someone for something that didn't happen but there are some real statistics in amongst this lot. Better than some of the figures already plucked from the air in this thread. Feel free to ignore discredit or dismiss these as propaganda but these figures were 10 minutes research so I'm sure there is plenty more like this out there. If just 1% of the decreases claimed are attributable to popo then you are wrong Mr Akzle. Carry on though. I do enjoy your ramblings because they are at least articulate. My daughter used to argue in the same articulate rage that you present ... but she was only 15 or 16 at the time. She grew out of it. You will too.
good answer. (however google ≠ "research"), that said, i will discredit it as propoganda, on account of google ≠ "research", and that they're presented by the mainstream media, and your foil deflector beanie doesn't have to be as shiny as mine to know that the mainstream media are either paid for or leaned on by TPTB.
you can prove things that don't happen, usually they're called "controls" i'm sure dave is going to bring some to the table with his thesis on why cops aren't entirely useless.
i fail to believe that it's just me and everyone i've spoken to about it, of 4 million, who don't care for the cops. back in the day, constables were voted for. town constables (it's a public office) could be anyone. i could be a constable (legally it is still a public office, conveniently overlooked, but they're about as public as our "public" "servants" :crazy:)
fuck. all this talk of public... i'm'a have to get to the public ale house...
so we've gone from having overbearing-dictator-lordy's we chose, to having them chosen for us, we've gone from deciding the rules to being told the rules, and no-one is held to account.
as for your daughter... how old now? i mighta known her... :D
i can't wait to be 16, then i can legally have sex and stop all this jerking off to keep the road toll down...


What percentage of motorists travel below the speed limit? Just a heads up, if it's less than 80% then statistically it's actually the speeders that are screwed. You can't make a judgement call with only half the data.

But you know that right? Cos you know everything and all? Does that make you feel better? Having your ego stroked? i'm stroking something... buddy.
but you've hit it (and we've had this debate round here a'fore) statistics are all BS, so in my empirical observation, cops don't make a fuck of difference to the darker (no pun intended) parts of society. (and the white crims keep going to the bank on it)

[Drew]

the speed limit is a guideline regardless of tolerance or not as you only have an estimate of your speed to go by. You mention entrapment but isn't being aware of what you are doing even as important and the fact that your speedos are checked or required to be exact also has to be part of the entrapment. True ignorance of the law is no excuse but not being able to judge if you have crossed the line due to limits outside your control? Travelling below the limit is also a problem but if your speedo says you are at the limit when you aren't what are you to do? Personally I have worked out what my speedo reads when I am travelling at about 100 kph however I am also aware that the speedo doesn't always vary by the same amount. This is one reason I think the tolerance is stupid, then there is the watching the speedo instead of the road etc see that every morning down the gorge past one of NZs biggest stealing stationary cameras, talk about crap driving due to the presence of a camera. :facepalm:The speedo in your car, cannot be accurate. I'll say that again for the slow witted. IT CAN'T BE CONSISTENTLY ACCURATE!

Tyre wear, brand/model, and inflation are three simple reasons for that. The speedo in your car works on how many times the tyres go round.

Manufacturers must make them read high, or they open themselves to lawsuits. They won't do that.

So, get a decent GPS unit if you wish to sit right on the limit. But if you think of it as an actual limit, you will know that's not a good idea.

[oneofsix]

The speedo in your car, cannot be accurate. I'll say that again for the slow witted. IT CAN'T BE CONSISTENTLY ACCURATE!

Correct hence the requirement for a reasonable tolerance


Tyre wear, brand/model, and inflation are three simple reasons for that. The speedo in your car works on how many times the tyres go round.
close enough, usually actually measures how fast a shaft within the gear box is spinning now days so more variables.


Manufacturers must make them read high, or they open themselves to lawsuits. They won't do that.
tolerance again


So, get a decent GPS unit if you wish to sit right on the limit. But if you think of it as an actual limit, you will know that's not a good idea.
Fuck off vehicle has a speedo and that's all it requires. Also there is nothing miricalus about the posted limit more about how that limit is being driven.

[Drew]

Correct hence the requirement for a reasonable tolerance


close enough, usually actually measures how fast a shaft within the gear box is spinning now days so more variables.


tolerance again


Fuck off vehicle has a speedo and that's all it requires. Also there is nothing miricalus about the posted limit more about how that limit is being driven.The law needs no tollerance, because speedos read low. Someone breaking the law, thinks they are doing it by more than what they get ticketed for if they believe their speedo.

It is called a limit.

[Scuba_Steve]

i did nae say there are more cops on the roads, just more cops. (mostly in south auckland, how's the crime rate down there?, it's easier to get weed in south auckland than f*ing hamilton, what does that tell you about having more cops... easier weed?)
but nah, i'm highly interested in this empirical check... as i said bro, we're here waiting...


few years back (might still reign true I don't know???)
largest Gang [police] presence per capita was Palmerston North,
most crime per capita was PN, (what were the PIGs doing? you might ask, well)
biggest police scamming operation PN, which also ties in with worst drivers in NZ PN

[oneofsix]

The law needs no tollerance, because speedos read low. Someone breaking the law, thinks they are doing it by more than what they get ticketed for if they believe their speedo.

It is called a limit.

the law needs a tolerance because the speedos are inaccurate and can not be relied on to read low, they usually do but not guaranteed also driving to the limit by watching a speedo is actually less safe than driving to the limit by approximation whilst watching the road and surroundings is much safer. As noted else where I get to observe this daily past a fixed camera location.

[Scuba_Steve]

The law needs no tollerance, because speedos read low. Someone breaking the law, thinks they are doing it by more than what they get ticketed for if they believe their speedo.


Not all, our last car had a 1:1 speedo & the LandRover gives you a 20-30km/h window for you to guess your speed within (tho it also can't sustain 100km/h so you're fairly safe on open road)

[Drew]

the law needs a tolerance because the speedos are inaccurate and can not be relied on to read low, they usually do but not guaranteed also driving to the limit by watching a speedo is actually less safe than driving to the limit by approximation whilst watching the road and surroundings is much safer. As noted else where I get to observe this daily past a fixed camera location.Show me a vehicle with the right size tyres on it, that has a speedo which reads low, and I'll suck scumdogs cock.

So you are advocating no speed limits, or tollerance to the ones we have? I don't think your argument is exclusive, or totally pertanent to either.

Glancing at a speedo is pretty safe, it should be done at calculated times, when you observe risk to be low enough to look away from the road briefly. Certainly safer than letting our woefully uneducated drivers hoon around at what they perceive as safe speeds.

[Oakie]

as for your daughter... how old now? i mighta known her... :D
i can't wait to be 16, then i can legally have sex and stop all this jerking off to keep the road toll down...

LOL. She's 25 mate.
You keep up the self abuse ... I'll ride home tonight happy in the knowledge that you're wanking for my safety on the road. :banana:

[oneofsix]

Show me a vehicle with the right size tyres on it, that has a speedo which reads low, and I'll suck scumdogs cock.

So you are advocating no speed limits, or tollerance to the ones we have? I don't think your argument is exclusive, or totally pertanent to either.

Glancing at a speedo is pretty safe, it should be done at calculated times, when you observe risk to be low enough to look away from the road briefly. Certainly safer than letting our woefully uneducated drivers hoon around at what they perceive as safe speeds.

Tolerance, you know I've used the word often enough thought you would have picked up on that.
Glancing at the speedo is what I advocate but then allowance has to be made for verations between glances, speed cameras on steep down hills and at the bottom of hills are just plain entrapment. Speed cameras are entrapment as presently used. However current situation is the worst drivers think they are good because they WATCH the speedo even though they disregard other factors.

[huff3r]

the law needs a tolerance because the speedos are inaccurate and can not be relied on to read low, they usually do but not guaranteed also driving to the limit by watching a speedo is actually less safe than driving to the limit by approximation whilst watching the road and surroundings is much safer. As noted else where I get to observe this daily past a fixed camera location.

The Gorge is unsafe because drivers who do not normally scan their instruments enough suddenly have to in order to avoid a ticket.

If people were taught to drive correctly and kept up a good scan rate (i'm talking fractions of a second here!) then maintaining the speed limit would be no worries. Pilots maintain altitude and heading easily enough whilst always being on the lookout for other aircraft, even when in turbulent conditions. Why? Because they scan constantly and quickly, and monitor and correct trends.

[Drew]

Tolerance, you know I've used the word often enough thought you would have picked up on that.
Glancing at the speedo is what I advocate but then allowance has to be made for verations between glances, speed cameras on steep down hills and at the bottom of hills are just plain entrapment. Speed cameras are entrapment as presently used. However current situation is the worst drivers think they are good because they WATCH the speedo even though they disregard other factors.
Soooooo, do we need to have a tolerance, or do we need people to actually know how to drive?

Interestingly, if by some miracle driver training became mandatory and vehicle control was the norm, the speed limit could become far more of a guide line than a limit. People could by and large, be trusted to know what was safe.

The tolerance is currently a problem, because of basic human nature.

Speed cameras. Meant to be a deterrent, the camera on the Ngauranga gorge is a perfect example of what should not happen...on the motorist part. Most people come whoring up to it at 95k's, then jam on the brakes to slow down to 80. Then they get the welly right back up it. I think there should be a mobile camera just round the corner from time to time, and one just before it. To stop a very dangerous practice.

You might argue that the camera should come down, but it is clearly in a position that needs to be addressed when it comes to speeders. Wouldn't you agree?

[oneofsix]

The Gorge is unsafe because drivers who do not normally scan their instruments enough suddenly have to in order to avoid a ticket.

If people were taught to drive correctly and kept up a good scan rate (i'm talking fractions of a second here!) then maintaining the speed limit would be no worries. Pilots maintain altitude and heading easily enough whilst always being on the lookout for other aircraft, even when in turbulent conditions. Why? Because they scan constantly and quickly, and monitor and correct trends.

Disagree. Part of the issue with the gorge is the lack of choice when to scan the speedo. A bit like the argument of cellphone vs in car conversation, one allows choice of when to divert attention the other doesn't. The gorge camera is on a speed part and also demanding a speed limited to less than normal and less than the road can handle, that road was 55 mph when the open road limit was 50 mph and was only reduced to 80 kph until the Newland's over-bridge was built another NZTA Tui moment.

[huff3r]

Disagree. Part of the issue with the gorge is the lack of choice when to scan the speedo. A bit like the argument of cellphone vs in car conversation, one allows choice of when to divert attention the other doesn't. The gorge camera is on a speed part and also demanding a speed limited to less than normal and less than the road can handle, that road was 55 mph when the open road limit was 50 mph and was only reduced to 80 kph until the Newland's over-bridge was built another NZTA Tui moment.

Oh so theyve fixed the continual shoddy surface now have they? Last time I was there I wouldn't have done 100 down it!

Interestingly the Engineer who did the assessment for the speed limit there and came up with 80kph was also the first person to be caught by the camera.

[Drew]

Interestingly the Engineer who did the assessment for the speed limit there and came up with 80kph was also the first person to be caught by the camera.I'm sure that's an urban myth.

[Scuba_Steve]

The Gorge is unsafe because drivers who do not normally scan their instruments enough suddenly have to in order to avoid a ticket.

If people were taught to drive correctly and kept up a good scan rate (i'm talking fractions of a second here!) then maintaining the speed limit would be no worries. Pilots maintain altitude and heading easily enough whilst always being on the lookout for other aircraft, even when in turbulent conditions. Why? Because they scan constantly and quickly, and monitor and correct trends.


Gorge is unsafe because everyones checking speedos to avoid being scammed whiles the fucktrad in front that's been doing 60km/h the whole time on the artificially restricted (to improve income) 80km/h road has slammed on their brakes to further drop speed for the camera
As for pilots thats a fucking strawman if ever I heard one, it has absolutely no relation to the discussion at hand (FYI the price of snapper is 19.40/kg) send a million or so above NZ then see how well these pilots do



Interestingly, if by some miracle driver training became mandatory and vehicle control was the norm, the speed limit could become far more of a guide line than a limit. People could by and large, be trusted to know what was safe.
....
Speed cameras. Meant to be a deterrent, the camera on the Ngauranga gorge is a perfect example of what should not happen...on the motorist part. Most people come whoring up to it at 95k's, then jam on the brakes to slow down to 80. Then they get the welly right back up it. I think there should be a mobile camera just round the corner from time to time, and one just before it. To stop a very dangerous practice.

You might argue that the camera should come down, but it is clearly in a position that needs to be addressed when it comes to speeders. Wouldn't you agree?

yes proper admittance to the road should be, but we're never gonna see it cause no politicians gonna enact a safety regulation that's gonna see 70% of people off the road.
The speed scam started off annoyingly but safely, Only targeting those not inline with the rest. However it has been turned into a full time money grabbing scam & has become dangerous as a result, the gorge is a perfect example. People don't come "whoring up to it at 95k's, then jam on the brake" they go dawdling along to it at around 70km/h & then jam their brakes on down to 40-50km/h while everyone stares at their speedo to avoid the scam... yea safe :facepalm:
The way it came in could be argued for safety, the way it is now run is pure straight out scam with adverse affect to safety

[huff3r]

You completely missed my point.

The point was that Pilots have to develop a quick and efficient scan in order to fly safely, and within the rules.

Drivers need to do the same.

I wasn't saying that pilots face the same challenges as drivers, simply that they need to use similar skills.

[Flip]

Interestingly, if by some miracle driver training became mandatory and vehicle control was the norm, the speed limit could become far more of a guide line than a limit. People could by and large, be trusted to know what was safe.

It would never happen because the road users here consider it a godam god given right to drive a vehicle any way they can get away with. It's the mentality of the vehicle uses, not the training, not the roads and I include many motorcyclists in this group who believe they can drive as fast and as hard as they can as long as they don't get caught.

Why are there so few fcuk head licenced air craft pilots, why are there so few licenced fcuk head fire arms owners? Because using a aircraft or a firearm in a dangerous manner is a criminal act! It is far too easy to get a drivers licence in NZ and it is far too difficult for it to be taken away. We could also easily make speeding a criminal act and make the fines ten times the current level and speeding would simply dissapear overnight.

[Drew]

brake" they go dawdling along to it at around 70km/h & then jam their brakes on down to 40-50km/h while everyone stares at their speedo to avoid the scam... yea safe :facepalm:
The way it came in could be argued for safety, the way it is now run is pure straight out scam with adverse affect to safetyThat is certainly not what I have seen of the gorge, and I travel it quite a bit.

Makes replying redundant, since one of us is making an argument based on a mistake.

[Akzle]

You might argue that the camera should come down, but it is clearly in a position that needs to be addressed when it comes to speeders. Wouldn't you agree?
no.

...no politicians gonna enact a safety regulation that's gonna see 70% of people off the road.
vote Akzle for PM.


It would never happen because the road users here consider it a godam god given right to drive a vehicle any way they can get away with. It's the mentality of the vehicle uses, not the training, not the roads and I include many motorcyclists in this group who believe they can drive as fast and as hard as they can as long as they don't get caught.

Why are there so few fcuk head licenced air craft pilots, why are there so few licenced fcuk head fire arms owners? Because using a aircraft or a firearm in a dangerous manner is a criminal act! It is far too easy to get a drivers licence in NZ and it is far too difficult for it to be taken away. We could also easily make speeding a criminal act and make the fines ten times the current level and speeding would simply dissapear overnight.

what about the people with no licenses, but guns, cars and access to light aircraft? :P

((i think training would go a LONG way to better drivers. i think if people were ticketed for infringements against the very basic "KEEP LEFT", we'd be halfway there...))

[FJRider]

I wasn't saying that pilots face the same challenges as drivers, simply that they need to use similar skills.

With flying ... parking is the hard bit. Especially if the motor just stopped ... :eek5:

[Berg]

Show me a vehicle with the right size tyres on it, that has a speedo which reads low, and I'll suck scumdogs cock.

2002 Holden Rodeo 3ltr turbo DSL double cab in the high spec trim. Came from factory with 16 inch alloys and all of them read slow. I know, I got snapped by a speed camera at 111kph when I knew the bastard was there (thought I had been having a serious brain fart) then got caught by a cop at Cheviot. Had speedo checked and yep, reading 12kph slow at 100kph. Holden agreed, I wrote away including their letter and got off the second ticket.
Sorry scummy but Drew might need to come visiting:lol:

[Drew]

2002 Holden Rodeo 3ltr turbo DSL double cab in the high spec trim. Came from factory with 16 inch alloys and all of them read slow. I know, I got snapped by a speed camera at 111kph when I knew the bastard was there (thought I had been having a serious brain fart) then got caught by a cop at Cheviot. Had speedo checked and yep, reading 12kph slow at 100kph. Holden agreed, I wrote away including their letter and got off the second ticket.
Sorry scummy but Drew might need to come visiting:lol:

I'm not usually one to welch, but I did say "with the right size tyres". Holden admitted to having the wrong tyres for the speedo calibration and drive.

[Berg]

I'm not usually one to welch, but I did say "with the right size tyres". Holden admitted to having the wrong tyres for the speedo calibration and drive.
:lol:I wouldn't want to blow him either:drool: I'll sort of let you off that one:rolleyes: although I agree with you regarding speedometers. Most do read fast and in some cases up to 10% or more.

[GrayWolf]

sure i know there is 2 worlds ya can live in, 1 with cops an 1 without. an id take the one with cops anyday cause ya just need to watch the news to see what happens when they aint there.

i just find it funny reading threw the comments on here how all you guys are acting like mr bike cop is ya best friend on the net,
he aint ya mate. sure chances are he is a nice guy, but.... when he is on that bike he is out to fuck over anyone he can and then he comes on this website to brag about it, and you guys suck it all up. just seems alil weird if you ask me, and now hes talking about posting a video of some guy he busted doing 178.?? yeah cause thats a normal thing for a cop to do aye

They do an almost THANKLESS job, and one that is shown even KB, to be full of fuckwits who think the world owes them a favour...
Put VERY politely... stop sucking your thumb, wipe your ass, and wait for the cradle marks to fade from it. :baby:

[jimichelle]

Show me a vehicle with the right size tyres on it, that has a speedo which reads low, and I'll suck scumdogs cock.

any excuse drew

[Drew]

any excuse drew
Fuck yeah, you got a vehicle in mind?

[oneofsix]

I'm not usually one to welch, but I did say "with the right size tyres". Holden admitted to having the wrong tyres for the speedo calibration and drive.

Oh dear Scummy guess its self-service again. Drew is now splitting hairs over the differentiation of 'right'. In most cases factory fitted is considered right, even in law in some cases. However I suspect this is a relieve (pun intended) to both of you. :laugh:

Actually it surprises me that Drew is so willing to sit behind a vehicle doing 90 or less with its driver thinking they are doing 100 and determined to ensure that bloody biker doesn't break the law, not that Drew would :rolleyes: This is the effect of the lack of tolerance and :bs: advertising.

:corn:

[Akzle]

They do an almost THANKLESS job, ...

why is it thankless, if they're so good, if they're helping everyone out and making our community safer together.. you think the population is that ungracious? hm?

[GrayWolf]

why is it thankless, if they're so good, if they're helping everyone out and making our community safer together.. you think the population is that ungracious? hm?

i would suggest that if you review your own attitude and behaviour towards the Police and Societal rules in general... methinks my comment is self explanatory.

[HenryDorsetCase]

]vote Akzle for PM.


You know, I just about would. Especially if your mate John Hadfield aka Hone Harawira was going to be your deputy PM. You guys would be awesome. I would sit on my balcony in Maloolaba and cheer as the smell of burning wafted across the water.

[HenryDorsetCase]

i would suggest that if you review your own attitude and behaviour towards the Police and Societal rules in general... methinks my comment is self explanatory.

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[Akzle]

i would suggest that if you review your own attitude and behaviour towards the Police and Societal rules in general... methinks my comment is self explanatory.

you think I am a good example of an average citizen?!?

my behavior to ward them is always impeccable.

my attitude regarding societal rules and police is one of "keep the fuck out of my way and i wont go to any effort to make your life difficult", this is also true of.. well. everyone else.

no. i don't believe your comment is self explanatory.
i certainly don't thank cops. but you've imply that they should be by saying that they aren't.
so. who should be thanking the cops. and for what?

[Drew]

Oh dear Scummy guess its self-service again. Drew is now splitting hairs over the differentiation of 'right'. In most cases factory fitted is considered right, even in law in some cases. However I suspect this is a relieve (pun intended) to both of you. :laugh:

Actually it surprises me that Drew is so willing to sit behind a vehicle doing 90 or less with its driver thinking they are doing 100 and determined to ensure that bloody biker doesn't break the law, not that Drew would :rolleyes: This is the effect of the lack of tolerance and :bs: advertising.

:corn:

I stick pretty much bang on the limit in four wheels, will sometimes make allowance for the speedo being wrong.

On a bike...

[scumdog]

why is it thankless, if they're so good, if they're helping everyone out and making our community safer together.. you think the population is that ungracious? hm?

Its thankless mostly, for example; a lot of the time EVERYBODY think THEIR problem should be getting attention over everything else, they want 100% of the time spent on THEIR problem, 24/7 if need be.

But I love my job, thankless or not...

[FJRider]

But I love my job, thankless or not...

Thankyou for doing it .. if it wasn't done, more people would be posting in green ... :eek5:

[AllanB]

I stick pretty much bang on the limit in four wheels, will sometimes make allowance for the speedo being wrong.

On a bike...



Haha Ditto. What's with that? Probably the family in the car? Get on the bike and .................

[Drew]

Haha Ditto. What's with that? Probably the family in the car? Get on the bike and .................Can't get away in the car.

[rossirep]

and yet another AWESOME day for a Akaroa ride and not a cop to be seen. and the road was full of bikes...
but the thought of a cop sitting and waiting somewhere with his lil speed gun did slow me down, so their sneaky plan does work.

[Dave-]

and yet another AWESOME day for a Akaroa ride and not a cop to be seen. and the road was full of bikes...
but the thought of a cop sitting and waiting somewhere with his lil speed gun did slow me down, so their sneaky plan does work.

So you have a 600? or a 1000? and you're riding it at roughly 1/3 it's potential? sounds like a massive waste of time to me....

[onearmedbandit]

So you have a 600? or a 1000? and you're riding it at roughly 1/3 it's potential? sounds like a massive waste of time to me....

That's the great thing about litre bikes. You don't have to ride them to 100% of their potential to enjoy them. Mid range and bottom end power is fantastic, top end punch is unreal. Definitely not a waste of time.

[Dave-]

That's the great thing about litre bikes. You don't have to ride them to 100% of their potential to enjoy them. Mid range and bottom end power is fantastic, top end punch is unreal. Definitely not a waste of time.

Yeah but you only get to use that fantastic bottom and mid range for 0.4 seconds before you've got to shut the throttle cause you're back at 100km/h

might as well ride a gn250 and accelerate at half the rate for twice as long, that way you might actually feel it. (or an MX5)

Not that we're accelerating dangerously here either, cause that's governed too.

Same for when I get an adventure bike, if I didn't use it off road at least once on a ride I'd feel as though it wasn't used to its full potential.

[onearmedbandit]

Yeah but you only get to use that fantastic bottom and mid range for 0.4 seconds before you've got to shut the throttle cause you're back at 100km/h

might as well ride a gn250 and accelerate at half the rate for twice as long, that way you might actually feel it. (or an MX5)

Not that we're accelerating dangerously here either, cause that's governed too.

Same for when I get an adventure bike, if I didn't use it off road at least once on a ride I'd feel as though it wasn't used to its full potential.

Yeah. 100km/h. Yup.

I know on the road I'm not using my thou to 100% of its potential. Does that bother me? Not at all. I know it's there, I can choose to use it or not (ha not 100% of its ability though lol). On the odd occasion I take it out to the track I can have a lot more fun there. On the road it's a flexible bike that does it all (for me). A 600 might do just as much some would say. I disagree, for one how easy are 240+km/h wheelies on 600's? (on the track of course)

[rossirep]

So you have a 600? or a 1000? and you're riding it at roughly 1/3 it's potential? sounds like a massive waste of time to me....

no matter what size bike it is ya not gonna ride it to 100% all the time on the road, its like driving a 4x4 on the road, it aint a waste of time cause you can use ya 4x4 mode if needed, not everyone is a track junkie, and chances are if i had more coin id like a track bike also to have some fun with, but for now il do my road riding and make the most of it, but its def not a waste of time

[kiwi cowboy]

Nice one Akzle.

Even I would ride faster everywhere if I knew for sure that there were no Popos about. The perception of apprehension is a basic fundamental tenet of deterrent theory.

Course, I should just shut up. You know everything. Just like my 14 year old son.

probably is your 14 yearold son :lol:

[Jantar]

You completely missed my point.

The point was that Pilots have to develop a quick and efficient scan in order to fly safely, and within the rules.

Drivers need to do the same.

I wasn't saying that pilots face the same challenges as drivers, simply that they need to use similar skills.

As a pilot and a motorcyclist, you are partly correct. However if you compare the instrument panel in an aircraft with the one on your bike they have a totally different emphasis. In an aircraft you can quickly scan your instruments every few minutes or so while generaly keeping a good lookout outside. As I like to teach my students, keep your head out of the office. On a bike, (well certainly most bikes) you must take your eyes off the road to read, not just scan, your instruments.

In an aircraft, you can take your eyes off the road so to speak and fly entirely on instruments. Try that trick on your bike and see how you get on.

In an aircraft, most light aircraft are not capable of breaking the speed limit, on a motorcycle it's difficult to remain below it.

[FJRider]

no matter what size bike it is ya not gonna ride it to 100% all the time on the road

True ... BUT.

Having a bike with big horsepower ... gives you the ability to use that horsepower when you need/want it. Be it on the track ... or on the road.

Having that horsepower on tap, seldom fails to raise a smile ... just thinking about using it ...

[Oakie]

So you have a 600? or a 1000? and you're riding it at roughly 1/3 it's potential? sounds like a massive waste of time to me....

One should ride to the potential of the road and conditions ... not to the potential of the bike. Never seen the limit of my bike's potential but I'm well aware where mine finishes.

EDIT: Hmm, In other words, the potential of most people's bikes exceeds the ability of their owners to ride to that potential.

[Magnum Noel]

Have started this as a new one so I can post some notes regarding how our weekend SH75 operations are going.

I'll update when there is something worth saying.

Today was my first real day at it, with interesting results.

I set up the laser at quite a few different sites, and got bugger all. Awesome, happy with that. Lots of folk went past my parked Popo troll bike, and saw me pointing the death ray down the road. Lots of propaganda value in that, without costing anyone anything.

Catches were a chap doing 122 on a bike. A distant past acquaintance of mine, as it happens. I said "122, what do I do with that?" He said "Write the ticket", which is what I was hoping for coz I was gonna write it anyway.

Another bloke I found overtaking. He was coming down the outside of a line of cars travelling in the opposite direction. He saw me heading toward him and had nowhere to go, so he just hung tight where he was. We passed with him on my side of the centreline. He happily accepted the ticket. Even he could see that what he had done was shiters.

Lasered my last bloke at 178. Yup, 178. Hope the weather is nice in the next few weeks, he's got a 28 day walk. Then he has a court case to sort out.

The vast majority of bikers rode at good speeds and very sensibly. Nice bikes, many of them too.

Week ones report. Just FYI.

:woohoo:

40 pages later now nothing to do with original post but still going. Thats why I love it when Rastuscat posts. Just about time for another one.;)

[rastuscat]

One of the lads took a wee patrol out on 75 yesterday.

Saw a big group of Harley riders out there. Knew they were Harley riders coz they all looked the other way when they went past. Fear of being fined for being friendly to a Popo at the next monthly meeting, I'm sure. One rocket scientist had on the obligatory Nazi chromed brainless helmet, t-shirt and jeans. Nice.

He wrote one ticket, for a woman who consistently cut corners on the way up to the hilltop. Like, not just once, not just twice, the whole bloody kahuna. Like, she just doesn't get the keep left thing.

As for me, had an abscess removed from my tail bone on Thursday, general anaesthetic, all the drama. Can't see myself riding for a while. Frustrating, with a new bike in the yard. Ah well, an associate recently got the big C call. Puts it all in perspective really.

Stay upright.

[caspernz]

I'm not usually one to welch, but I did say "with the right size tyres". Holden admitted to having the wrong tyres for the speedo calibration and drive.

Can be more than one reason for a speedo reading slow. I've got a truck that's limited to 88kmh, but will achieve 94kmh on the flat against the limiter, with speedo reading 88kmh. Nothing that can't be fixed with a GPS speedo...

Oh, and this speedo error is an electronic fault that has got the service agent puzzled :eek5:

But yeah, as a rule almost all vehicles I've operated have optimistic speedos :brick:

[mossy1200]

But yeah, as a rule almost all vehicles I've operated have optimistic speedos :brick:

Most people that complain about a ticket for 112 kph think 110 is the limit and they are only 2 kph over.
Truth is they were sitting on 120 on the clock and any excuse looks good after the fact. Or maybe they were sitting on 140+ and only managed to slow down to 112 which is just as likely as the old speedo was reading under and it got me a ticket.

Most new vehicles 100 indicated is close to 94 true speed. Changing tyre profiles is the biggest factor in that changing untill you do 200kph and the tyres expand and thin from the rotation force and your clock gets slightly more accurate again.:eek5:

[FJRider]

Can be more than one reason for a speedo reading slow. I've got a truck that's limited to 88kmh, but will achieve 94kmh on the flat against the limiter, with speedo reading 88kmh. Nothing that can't be fixed with a GPS speedo...

Oh, and this speedo error is an electronic fault that has got the service agent puzzled :eek5:

But yeah, as a rule almost all vehicles I've operated have optimistic speedos :brick:

Change the limiter to 84 km's then ...

[caspernz]

Change the limiter to 84 km's then ...

Nah, I don't mind having that little bit in reserve...:cool:

[FJRider]

Most people that complain about a ticket for 112 kph think 110 is the limit and they are only 2 kph over.
Truth is they were sitting on 120 on the clock and any excuse looks good after the fact. Or maybe they were sitting on 140+ and only managed to slow down to 112 which is just as likely as the old speedo was reading under and it got me a ticket.

Most new vehicles 100 indicated is close to 94 true speed. Changing tyre profiles is the biggest factor in that changing untill you do 200kph and the tyres expand and thin from the rotation force and your clock gets slightly more accurate again.:eek5:

I do a regular GPS check on all vehicles I drive. Some read lower .... some higher than the actual speed. It is nice to know. Seat height above the ground makes a radical change in your perspective ... of the actual speed that you are going.

[scumdog]

I do a regular GPS check on all vehicles I drive. Some read lower .... some higher than the actual speed. It is nice to know. Seat height above the ground makes a radical change in your perspective ... of the actual speed that you are going.

Haven't done the bikes but I checked three of my other vehicles.
GPS: 100kph, F100 speedo: 55mph
GPS: 100kph, Thunderbird speedo: 65mph
GPS: 100kph, Oldsmobile speedo :60mph

No wonder when in the F100 I use to pass everything on the road and wondered why they were all going so slowly..:doh:

Ignorance was bliss, only ever got pulled over for my speed once...

[FJRider]

No wonder when in the F100 I use to pass everything on the road and wondered why they were all going so slowly..:doh:

Ignorance was bliss, only ever got pulled over for my speed once...

Both my car and bike are spot on the money ... but I don't wonder why people are going slower than me ... when I pass them :innocent:

[sleemanj]

94kmh on the flat against the limiter, with speedo reading 88kmh

That's just the metric flux capacitor at work.

[FJRider]

That's just the metric flux capacitor at work.

So ... after 88 ... he's in time travel .... :eek5:

No wonder he gets everywhere so fast ... ;)

[caspernz]

That's just the metric flux capacitor at work.

Nah, it's the gold powerband. Special order from Sweden :lol:

[caspernz]

So ... after 88 ... he's in time travel .... :eek5:

No wonder he gets everywhere so fast ... ;)

No, beyond 88 I'm getting the boss all excited as he can't work out how I can get his truck to go faster than the limiter setting :brick::eek5:

[FJRider]

No, beyond 88 I'm getting the boss all excited as he can't work out how I can get his truck to go faster than the limiter setting :brick::eek5:

And will you tell him ... ??? Has it got the GPS tracking installed ... ???

[caspernz]

And will you tell him ... ??? Has it got the GPS tracking installed ... ???

GPS tracked yep, and I've duly reported it as well. Mind you, our driver crew doesn't run around at 94 so the company has just left it as is :2thumbsup

[Oakie]

As for me, had an abscess removed from my tail bone on Thursday, general anaesthetic, all the drama.

Reminds me of the story about the politician who had an arsehole transplant ... in the end it was unsuccessful because the arsehole rejected him.

[Dave-]

Changing tyre profiles is the biggest factor in that changing untill you do 200kph and the tyres expand and thin from the rotation force and your clock gets slightly more accurate again.:eek5:

I'm not sure how much truth there is in this.

Yes when you pick a wheel up (radio controlled car works good) and accelerate the tyre deforms I know how your so called "centrifugal" force works, but once you put it on a road, with a normal force, things start changing dramatically.

[FJRider]

GPS tracked yep, and I've duly reported it as well. Mind you, our driver crew doesn't run around at 94 so the company has just left it as is :2thumbsup

I know a driver (not me) that got pinged for speeding ... and the cops asked to see the GPS log, and got him for logbook "issues" too.

[caspernz]

I know a driver (not me) that got pinged for speeding ... and the cops asked to see the GPS log, and got him for logbook "issues" too.

We've had the reverse happen. Driver gets pinged for 107 or such, and GPS log shows he's sitting on 88. Never mind the fact the car overtaking him at the time was doing the 107...ticket was waived :lol:

GPS tracking on your vehicle only works for you if you behave....:brick:

[FJRider]

We've had the reverse happen. Driver gets pinged for 107 or such, and GPS log shows he's sitting on 88. Never mind the fact the car overtaking him at the time was doing the 107...ticket was waived :lol:

GPS tracking on your vehicle only works for you if you behave....:brick:

GPS speeds shown in the log ... should have no direct connection with the speedo. Regardless of any inaccuracy of the speedo ???

[HenryDorsetCase]

I failed you all. I went over to Devauchelle this afternoon just cruising. I realised that on the straights after the black tulip and before Kaituna, I was only doing 95....... :sob: :cry:

and then, on the way back to town I got passed. By a Harley Sprotster. Rider not wearing gloves.

I have failed. I will of course be selling the bike and all the gear and taking up crochet.

the good news is that the street triple will do at least 40km from the fuel light coming on. and it only took 15.3 litres then. Reckon I might have got another 20 out of it at least.

[rastuscat]

Reminds me of the story about the politician who had an arsehole transplant ... in the end it was unsuccessful because the arsehole rejected him.

:wacko::wacko::wacko::wacko::wacko::wacko::wacko:

[mossy1200]

GPS speeds shown in the log ... should have no direct connection with the speedo. Regardless of any inaccuracy of the speedo ???

Even if you are going down a very steep hill and your movement around the earths circumference is 100 but trig calcs would have you doing a true speed higher than the gps shows.

Does a GPS register distance calculated including verticle climb angles?

[Jantar]

Even if you are going down a very steep hill and your movement around the earths circumference is 100 but trig calcs would have you doing a true speed higher than the gps shows.

Does a GPS register distance calculated including verticle climb angles?

Most modern GPS units measure in 3 dimensions, not 2. I know all three of mine include altitude and position, 2 of them even give rate of climb.

[mossy1200]

Most modern GPS units measure in 3 dimensions, not 2. I know all three of mine include altitude and position, 2 of them even give rate of climb.


Ok. They must beusing several fixed points to calculate everything.

[Akzle]

Ok. They must beusing several fixed points to calculate everything.

trilateration*

((wtf would you need THREE GPS'??))

[FJRider]

Even if you are going down a very steep hill and your movement around the earths circumference is 100 but trig calcs would have you doing a true speed higher than the gps shows.

Does a GPS register distance calculated including verticle climb angles?

In theory ... GPS measures across the Earths surface ... (the earth being round) so one may assume climbing/descending speeds are not entirely true.

Vehicle GPS tracking systems should be entirely reliant on Global positioning changes to log speed across the earths surface. Not repeating speedometer readings.

[FJRider]

Most modern GPS units measure in 3 dimensions, not 2. I know all three of mine include altitude and position, 2 of them even give rate of climb.

That would help the cruise missiles keep above ground level ... and send them through the letterbox slot of "The recipient" ...

[mossy1200]

Im going to buy shares in crc.
I heard they are working on a car care spray that slows the return speed of a radar ping.

[Jantar]

((wtf would you need THREE GPS'??))
One for the bike, one for the glider and an older one as a spare

[ellipsis]

Nah, it's the gold powerband. Special order from Sweden :lol:...

...bollocks...they never made a gold powerband in Sveden...they had a blond/see through kind of system that worked well in lower temperatures, but never really got its problems sorted...relegated to seventies one hit wonders now, maybe something to do with global warming too...

[Akzle]

want if you are traveling in the opposite direction of the earths rotation does that mean you are still moving, going slower, or faster :brick:
yes

One for the bike, one for the glider and an older one as a spare
aiight. then.

[rastuscat]

All of these things are allowed for by tolerance.

Haven't read all of the terribly important scientific theories, but I'm confident that anyone I ping at 10 kmh over 50 is exceeding 50. Given that that's what the charge is, problem solved.

A man, charged with exceeding 50, defends it on the basis that the curvature of the earth means that the radar got him at 62, when he was only actually doing 61.

Sounds like a guilty plea to me.

[Jantar]

....

A man, charged with exceeding 50, defends it on the basis that the curvature of the earth means that the radar got him at 62, when he was only actually doing 61.

....
If the curvature of the earth was the only confounding factor, and the radar got him at 62, he would actually be going faster, so ping him for 63.

[FJRider]

All of these things are allowed for by tolerance.

Haven't read all of the terribly important scientific theories, but I'm confident that anyone I ping at 10 kmh over 50 is exceeding 50. Given that that's what the charge is, problem solved.

A man, charged with exceeding 50, defends it on the basis that the curvature of the earth means that the radar got him at 62, when he was only actually doing 61.

Sounds like a guilty plea to me.

You're using logic again .... stop that ... :brick:

[nzspokes]

Can you get a knee down on on a cop bike?

[rastuscat]

Can you get a knee down on on a cop bike?

Yes. Erm, did I admit to that?

[Dave-]

Can you get a knee down on on a cop bike?

google would suggest one can.

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Thanks for splitting the thread too admin person.

Out of interest, rastuscat, what's the law surrounding getting knee down on the road? I've heard it's seen as "racing"?

[nzspokes]

I've heard it's seen as "racing"?

To me its seen as im about to crash.....:crazy:

[rastuscat]

Thanks for splitting the thread too admin person.

Out of interest, rastuscat, what's the law surrounding getting knee down on the road? I've heard it's seen as "racing"?

Nice pics.

No law against it. Trouble is, last time I got me knee down, I ended up married.

Nuff said.

[rastuscat]

If the curvature of the earth was the only confounding factor, and the radar got him at 62, he would actually be going faster, so ping him for 63.

Cool. So a bloke gets charged with exceeding 50. Popo stands up and says the guy was doing 62.

Defense opens its case, bloke stands up and sez the Popo is wrong coz he was doing 63.

Guilty.

[caspernz]

.....last time I got me knee down, I ended up married.

Nuff said.

You too huh? :brick::clap:

[ellipsis]

...thank god all that physics and dribble has been removed from my highway...it's bad enough putting up with the lake-flies...

[onearmedbandit]

...thank god all that physics and dribble has been removed from my highway...it's bad enough putting up with the lake-flies...

Hate the lake flies.

[Captain_Salty]

I got stuck behind a truck for a min there yesterday then he pulls out into the oncoming lane so I can safely pass up the inside. There was a bit of a layby on his right if he had to bail. Gave him a big wave, couldn't believe it. I had already passed him previously, before pulling over for a drink so wasn't expecting any favours.

[rastuscat]

it's bad enough putting up with the lake-flies...

Lake flies? I was struggling with the idea that time flies.............now you're telling me a lake flies?

[ellipsis]

Lake flies? I was struggling with the idea that time flies.............now you're telling me a lake flies?


...time and motion are relevant, but yes, the lake flies...your Mountain Thunder T shirt is still sitting in my office but that is totally irrelevant to time, tide or flies...

[Oakie]

Lake flies? I was struggling with the idea that time flies.............now you're telling me a lake flies?

Only the ones not made out of heavy water...

[Jantar]

Lake flies? I was struggling with the idea that time flies.............now you're telling me a lake flies?
Sure does. Come down here during a strong nor-wester and watch the water from Lake Dunstan being blown over the Clyde dam. At times when downstream of the dam it's impossible to see the sky through the water flying overhead.

[FJRider]

Sure does. Come down here during a strong nor-wester and watch the water from Lake Dunstan being blown over the Clyde dam. At times when downstream of the dam it's impossible to see the sky through the water flying overhead.

It's ok ... as I understand, the dam is designed to take a meter of water over the top ...

When you need gumboots and a waterproof jacket to work in your (nice warm) office ... you may complain. :yes:

Until then ... harden up ... :nya:

[Akzle]

err. now it's the mods taking it :Offtopic:
infract yourself jantar!

[scumdog]

err. now it's the mods taking it :Offtopic:
infract yourself jantar!

It involves te South Island.
So it's still on topic.

[AllanB]

Lake Flies suck arse. Man those things stink.

Once I had the idea of doing a Spring night run to Little River - I had to stop and clean the headlights as they were so covered in lake flies that they were bloody useless. And the radiator needed cleaning out when I got home.

[FJRider]

... So it's still on topic.

There's a topic ... ???

[rastuscat]

There's a topic.

It appears to have morphed somewhat from Op Mataki, but that's life.

I'm over it. Lake flies anyone?

[Scuba_Steve]

There's a topic.

It appears to have morphed somewhat from Op Mataki, but that's life.

I'm over it. Lake flies anyone?

I'll pass... But if your donuts come on offer count me in :drool:

[ellipsis]

...they are exactly the same fly that the people around Lake Victoria in Africa get their protein from...they collect them in wet frying pans and get really excited when the horrible things come out to play...living with them, the flies, is a bit of a prick...we wouldn't dare leave a window or door open in the evenings with a light burning inside, although some new people to the area have not heeded the advice at times...only once though...they are part and parcel of living near the lakes on 75...as annoying as the rossi's who inhabit it during the warmer months,therefore close to topic ...

[oneofsix]

...they are exactly the same fly that the people around Lake Victoria in Africa get their protein from...they collect them in wet frying pans and get really excited when the horrible things come out to play...living with them, the flies, is a bit of a prick...we wouldn't dare leave a window or door open in the evenings with a light burning inside, although some new people to the area have not heeded the advice at times...only once though...they are part and parcel of living near the lakes on 75...as annoying as the rossi's who inhabit it during the warmer months,therefore close to topic ...

So basically you are calling RC a disease ridden annoying insect. :pinch:

[HenryDorsetCase]

Lake flies? I was struggling with the idea that time flies.............now you're telling me a lake flies?

I am reliably informed that fruit flies like bananas.

[oneofsix]

I am reliably informed that fruit flies like bananas.

wasps are a problem, they like the coating on the donuts and have a sting in their tails. :shutup:

[rastuscat]

I am reliably informed that fruit flies like bananas.

Fruit flies like bananas? Bananas can fly?

Don't tell ACC. They'll up the levies.

[Swoop]

Saw a big group of Harley riders out there. He wrote one ticket, for a woman who consistently cut corners on the way up to the hilltop. Like, not just once, not just twice, the whole bloody kahuna. Like, she just doesn't get the keep left thing.
Cunts who can't keep left need shooting. Just like red light runners.
Good on him.

[Drew]

Out of interest, rastuscat, what's the law surrounding getting knee down on the road? I've heard it's seen as "racing"?


Nice pics.

No law against it. Trouble is, last time I got me knee down, I ended up married.

Nuff said.I'd never thought about the legality of knee dragging before.

Anyhoo, ya don't need to be going fast to do it, and you certainly don't need to be pushing the boundries of safety. Can do it going round a 'round-a-bout' behind a car.

[Oakie]

. Can do it going round a 'round-a-bout' behind a car.
Falling over doesn't count.

[Dave-]

I'd never thought about the legality of knee dragging before.

Anyhoo, ya don't need to be going fast to do it, and you certainly don't need to be pushing the boundries of safety. Can do it going round a 'round-a-bout' behind a car.

yeah which is why I ask, a guy I know reckoned he got pinged for it cause it was considered "racing" even though there was no other bikes anywhere near him and he was under the posted speed limit when he did it.

Posted corner speed I dunno.

To be honest he was probably talking shit, he came out to the track one time and he couldn't even get his knee a foot from the ground let alone scrape it.

figured I'd ask while I had the attention of a reputable source.

I can see how an uneducated might see it as racing, see it on racing on TV, see it on the road, racing.

[Drew]

yeah which is why I ask, a guy I know reckoned he got pinged for it cause it was considered "racing" even though there was no other bikes anywhere near him and he was under the posted speed limit when he did it.

Posted corner speed I dunno.

To be honest he was probably talking shit, he came out to the track one time and he couldn't even get his knee a foot from the ground let alone scrape it.

figured I'd ask while I had the attention of a reputable source.

I can see how an uneducated might see it as racing, see it on racing on TV, see it on the road, racing.
I think you've got split personalities or something. The other conversation I've seen you in, you're a right prat.

[Dave-]

I think you've got split personalities or something. The other conversation I've seen you in, you're a right prat.

or maybe I just know how to brown nose to a cop? hahaha

Also

E = mc^2

[neels]

or maybe I just know how to brown nose to a cop? hahaha

Also

E = mc^2
From my limited experience said cop is a good bugger who gets slow people movers out of your way.

And I always preferred F=ma

[ellipsis]

figured I'd ask while I had the attention of a reputable source.



..can you elucidate further on the quoted subject...if you can, I would have to question why you are asking here...

[rastuscat]

It was a borderline legit question.

In some state of Orstraylia it's an offense to drive down the right with your arm out the window. No such law here, but it's urban myth that it is. When I was a kid I used to think it was unlawful to drive without footwear. Nah.

Certainly it's not unlawful to get your knee down while cornering, but they may be other laws you're nudging. Like, getting your knee down on a tight right hand bend might mean you are leaning over into the path of oncoming, defying the rule of public stupidity.

Getting your knee down draws attention. It's mostly unnecessary, and could potentially be seen as not the actions of a careful and prudent driver I.e. Careless Driving. I don't think it is, but some might. Better not to risk that call really.

:drool:

[Scuba_Steve]

When I was a kid I used to think it was unlawful to drive without footwear. Nah.


Not unlawful but check your car insurance... This one came from car insurance's having barefeet, socks or jandals (maybee sandals too???) as a reason not to payout in an accident :yes:

[Drew]

I was always of the opinion that chandels were illegal to drive with. Looked it up after nearly twenty years driving (oh cunt am I getting to be that guy?) to find I was wrong.

That really pisses me off, because I take exception to people not being fluent in our road rules.

[oneofsix]

I was always of the opinion that chandels were illegal to drive with. Looked it up after nearly twenty years driving (oh cunt am I getting to be that guy?) to find I was wrong.

That really pisses me off, because I take exception to people not being fluent in our road rules.

They should be and so should some high heels but I don't think the road rules would dear to try and tell drivers what they should or should not wear. Saw one lass fighting with her robes just to get to the drivers door but still she was going to drive in that get up, but hey that's a crazy religion story so enough said.

[Bikemad]

It was a borderline legit question.

In some state of Orstraylia it's an offense to drive down the right with your arm out the window. No such law here, but it's urban myth that it is. When I was a kid I used to think it was unlawful to drive without footwear. Nah.

Certainly it's not unlawful to get your knee down while cornering, but they may be other laws you're nudging. Like, getting your knee down on a tight right hand bend might mean you are leaning over into the path of oncoming, defying the rule of public stupidity.

Getting your knee down draws attention. It's mostly unnecessary, and could potentially be seen as not the actions of a careful and prudent driver I.e. Careless Driving. I don't think it is, but some might. Better not to risk that call really.

:drool:

one of your workmates ordered me off the road many years ago when i was driving Taxis in ChCh in Lichfield St more or less outside what was Adams Apple nightclub..........because..............i had my carpet bag slippers on................

[Dave-]

I drive a car barefoot in summer, fuck it feels good.

Denny Hulme drove barefoot too apparently.

[HenryDorsetCase]

If ever I feel tired behind the wheel, I take my shoes and socks off, and turn the AC to as cold as it will go, and blast cold air on my feet. You can't go to sleep if your feet are cold. Well I cant.

[scumdog]

If ever I feel tired behind the wheel, I take my shoes and socks off, and turn the AC to as cold as it will go, and blast cold air on my feet. You can't go to sleep if your feet are cold. Well I cant.

Yup, if I'm driving a long distance it's jandals - and they get kicked off once I'm on the open road, don't seem to get so fatigued..

[rastuscat]

Now that I've caught your attention...................

Remember that the point of this thread was to raise the profile of the Akaroa Road crashes. Everyone who crashes out there didn't know it was going to happen, most would tell you they weren't going to crash.

But they did. Nobody can tell who is next, the only person who has much influence over your chances immediately is you.

Don't add to the list that the insurance industry is paying out on, coz there are things insurance can't fix. Like legs, arms, other body parts. Breasts too, but I digress.

Get out, enjoy the ride, but don't ride like a dick. :Police:

[Drew]

Now that I've caught your attention...................

Remember that the point of this thread was to raise the profile of the Akaroa Road crashes. Everyone who crashes out there didn't know it was going to happen, most would tell you they weren't going to crash.

But they did. Nobody can tell who is next, the only person who has much influence over your chances immediately is you.

Don't add to the list that the insurance industry is paying out on, coz there are things insurance can't fix. Like legs, arms, other body parts. Breasts too, but I digress.

Get out, enjoy the ride, but don't ride like a dick. :Police:Ok Katman.:Pokey:

[scumdog]

Ok Katman.:Pokey:

No, no, ride like a dick and bin and then whimper on KB how it all wasn't your fault - THAT is the KB way...:rolleyes:

[Drew]

No, no, ride like a dick and bin and then whimper on KB how it all wasn't your fault - THAT is the KB way...:rolleyes:

Again, it's how I 'T-roll'.

[dangerous]

I drive a car barefoot in summer, fuck it feels good.

Denny Hulme drove barefoot too apparently.
well if you and Denny had ever seen what a foot looks likeafter a prang were the peddle dices the foot in half... you may not be so blazay bout it. And the reason the crash was so hard was due to not being able to put as much pressure on the peddle.

*storys and photos I have seen on this are/were pre 90's cars, possable not such an issue today.



Now that I've caught your attention...................

Remember that the point of this thread was to raise the profile of the Akaroa Road crashes. Everyone who crashes out there didn't know it was going to happen, most would tell you they weren't going to crash.

But they did. Nobody can tell who is next, the only person who has much influence over your chances immediately is you.and a month or so back that person was me... I didnt know it was going to happen, and I sure as hell didnt plan on it... BUT nothing I did or didnt do could have avoided it other than stay in bed that day... my point I played it all by the book that day broke no laws yet it still happened, is opp Mataki actually achieving anything?
other than pleasing the locals that the patrols are out there?

[scumdog]

well if you and Denny had ever seen what a foot looks likeafter a prang were the peddle dices the foot in half... you may not be so blazay bout it. And the reason the crash was so hard was due to not being able to put as much pressure on the peddle.

*storys and photos I have seen on this are/were pre 90's cars, possable not such an issue today.

Horses for courses D.

In my F100 I doubt it would just be my feet would be a worry.
But hey, at least the surgeon would have a clear view of the mess...:blink::doctor::sick:

[rastuscat]

my point I played it all by the book that day broke no laws yet it still happened, is opp Mataki actually achieving anything?
other than pleasing the locals that the patrols are out there?

Lots of crashes happen with no laws broken.

Are you saying that nothing could have changed your crash? What were the circumstances? I find it hard to understand that a different line, a different speed, a different gear, a different braking point, that something done differently wouldn't have changed your outcome.

Sure don't claim to have all the answers. The riding I can influence most is mine.

The point of this thread was to cause people to think about it. That's the biggest we can have. Even if folk don't agree, and God knows, everyone doesn't, at least they've thought about it.

And the profile of donuts has risen. Cause satisfied.

[Dave-]

well if you and Denny had ever seen what a foot looks likeafter a prang were the peddle dices the foot in half... you may not be so blazay bout it. And the reason the crash was so hard was due to not being able to put as much pressure on the peddle.

*storys and photos I have seen on this are/were pre 90's cars, possable not such an issue today.


and a month or so back that person was me... I didnt know it was going to happen, and I sure as hell didnt plan on it... BUT nothing I did or didnt do could have avoided it other than stay in bed that day... my point I played it all by the book that day broke no laws yet it still happened, is opp Mataki actually achieving anything?
other than pleasing the locals that the patrols are out there?

I drive a pre-90's car (89) mx5 hauls up better than any other car I've driven.

If you can lock up the brakes then they're more than adequate, it's now up to the driver to use them properly.

[onearmedbandit]

If you can lock up the brakes then they're more than adequate, it's now up to the driver to use them properly.

I've driven cars where the brakes lock up almost immediately (granted these were obviously faulty). My point is there's a lot to be said for 'feel'.

[Drew]

I drive a pre-90's car (89) mx5
Well bloody hell, hair dressers need to learn physics these days! I wouldn't have picked that!

[scumdog]

I drive a pre-90's car (89) mx5 hauls up better than any other car I've driven.

If you can lock up the brakes then they're more than adequate, it's now up to the driver to use them properly.

Pffft, '79 Marina ute here.

1.3 litres of raw, screamin' horsepower - and drum brakes all around.

You know you're alive when drivng THAT muthafukka!:headbang:

[Ocean1]

and God knows

Meh. F'kin know nothin' amateur.


Pffft, '79 Marina ute here.

1.3 litres of raw, screamin' horsepower - and drum brakes all around.

You know you're alive when drivng THAT muthafukka!:headbang:

Had a '70 440 Buick skylark drophead coupe with 11" drums all round.

Would stop from 100k OK.

Once.

[scumdog]

Meh. F'kin know nothin' amateur.



Had a '70 440 Buick skylark drophead coupe with 11" drums all round.

Would stop from 100k OK.

Once.

440 Buick?
Is that a model, like say a '59 Electra or something?
'Cos it ain't a normal Buick engine size.

Oh, and my Marina drums are :niceone: but then I don't get to 100kph very often!:lol:

[Dave-]

I've driven cars where the brakes lock up almost immediately (granted these were obviously faulty). My point is there's a lot to be said for 'feel'.

Oh for sure, but not being able to press hard enough isn't going to be a problem.

I like the feel I get in barefeet.

Ironically, I wouldn't do it on a race track though....would just feel wrong?


Well bloody hell, hair dressers need to learn physics these days! I wouldn't have picked that!

yeah get fucked, you wish you were cool enough to be able to pull of an mx5.

[dangerous]

The point of this thread was to cause people to think about it. That's the biggest we can have. Even if folk don't agree, and God knows, everyone doesn't, at least they've thought about it.Ohhh Id say your point has been taken and possably have made a change, if one has not 'thought' about it after all these posts then well hey thers no helping some.




Are you saying that nothing could have changed your crash? What were the circumstances? I find it hard to understand that a different line, a different speed, a different gear, a different braking point, that something done differently wouldn't have changed your outcome. Not that I could see, a different line would have made no differance, the road was clear and clean right across, speed was down as it was, unsure of gear but I generally use the revs up and down, was no braking point as I was... ummm, well may have been lightly on them, the something done differently was to stay at home, hey ya could be well right we will never know tho, but if theres something I could have changed was slightly over inflated 5yr old tyres on a ralativly cold day.

[rastuscat]

but if theres something I could have changed was slightly over inflated 5yr old tyres on a ralativly cold day.

A mate canned off just past hilltop. His bike is now featuring in the Star TradeMe damaged bike listings. He blames the road surface.

To his credit, he also accepts that he could have done better.

That's the biggest step to preventing a recurrence, accepting at least some responsibility.

From what I've read of your bin, the tyres sound like it. Or your lean angle was too great.

Whatever, on the up side, you were able to post about it shortly after it, so all good. Still just the KB amount of brain damage. :bleh:

[Ocean1]

440 Buick?
Is that a model, like say a '59 Electra or something?
'Cos it ain't a normal Buick engine size.

Oh, and my Marina drums are :niceone: but then I don't get to 100kph very often!:lol:

Good spotting, was actually a 430. I had plans to uprate it to 455 but someone made me an offer I couldn't refuse before I got around to it.

Nice wagon fr summer, was a "custom", which theroetically meant you could have whatever Mr Buick had on the parts shelf that year.

Lurking down ChCh last I heard.

[scumdog]

Good spotting, was actually a 430. I had plans to uprate it to 455 but someone made me an offer I couldn't refuse before I got around to it.

Nice wagon fr summer, was a "custom", which theroetically meant you could have whatever Mr Buick had on the parts shelf that year.

Lurking down ChCh last I heard.

Torque-monsters eh!:niceone:

[dangerous]

From what I've read of your bin, the tyres sound like it. Or your lean angle was too great.come watch me race, I never exceed my lean angle, I use the body, and in this case I was bearly tipping it in, however at the end of the day I fucked up, just not sure how... alth the bikes owner is now well stoked with his new 1050R speed triple.

[scumdog]

come watch me race, I never exceed my lean angle, I use the body, and in this case I was bearly tipping it in, however at the end of the day I fucked up, just not sure how... alth the bikes owner is now well stoked with his new 1050R speed triple.

C'mon D., nobody sez they fucked up on KB!

[Dave-]

C'mon D., nobody sez they fucked up on KB!

Yeah I call bullshit.

It was the sun in your eyes of a patch of gravel right?

fuckin' dragon or summat?

[Scuba_Steve]

Pffft, '79 Marina ute here.

1.3 litres of raw, screamin' horsepower - and drum brakes all around.

You know you're alive when drivng THAT muthafukka!:headbang:

pfft probably only weighs 1300kg too. :rolleyes:
Now my gas guzzling 3.3l straight 6 powered "road safe" (would never even come close to modern safety standards) 2 tonne beast, she also runs 4 wheel drum brakes. But should she need to brake in under 2 cities she can also utilise VAB or Vehicle Assisted Braking :lol:

[Subike]

331 powered 61 fairlane tank.......brakes? I remember using lamp posts to stop them, normally took 3, a 58 Bell Air could do it in 2 lamp posts.
as for the 58 Plymouth and dodges, both feet and push like fuck!

Most fun was in a 58 Holden, with a 3.3 velox motor fitted, went like stink, took a farm fence at the end of tram road to finally make it stop. Brakes? you the old drum brakes were great it you drove at 30mph.

[rastuscat]

How do I post a YouTube video on here so it appears in the post, not just as a link?

I finally have the vid of the rider I caught way back when, with the rider blurred out.

Nothing exciting though.

[onearmedbandit]

How do I post a YouTube video on here so it appears in the post, not just as a link?

I finally have the vid of the rider I caught way back when, with the rider blurred out.

Nothing exciting though.

Go to the video on youtube, click on 'share' (at the bottom of the video player), click on 'embed' and copy the text that comes up. Paste that into your post.

[Drew]

come watch me race, I never exceed my lean angle, I use the body, and in this case I was bearly tipping it in, however at the end of the day I fucked up, just not sure how... alth the bikes owner is now well stoked with his new 1050R speed triple.You're sounding like a bit of a dick here bro. You fucked up alright, by going faster than the bike was capable of on the day. Story ends. That you did not think you were going faster than the bike was capable, is completely irrelevant.

You're welcome.

[rastuscat]

Go to the video on youtube, click on 'share' (at the bottom of the video player), click on 'embed' and copy the text that comes up. Paste that into your post.

Roger.

<iframe width="853" height="480" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/ho5yP0QRRIM" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Hope this worked.

Remember, it wasn't staged, it's not too exciting, but it shows that the stop wasn't unsafe, as earlier suggested.

To be honest, the comment I'm expecting is why the hell did he stop. He peaked at 178, but if he'd just wound it on, I probably wouldn't have been able to track him down.

Interestingly, since then, I've gone out of my way to make sure he wasn't hammered by the court. He was fined, but no disq. A disq would have disproportionately adversely affected a job he had coming up, so I plead his case, and he kept his licence.

Just FYI.

[Oakie]

Nice work.
Good on you for going in to bat for him.

[Drew]

Looks to me like he sat down to have a wee cry. What a fag!

[HenryDorsetCase]

Looks to me like he sat down to have a wee cry. What a fag!

what about the rider that was stopped?

[Scuba_Steve]

So Mr Rcat out of interest were you illegally parked there? & did you fine yourself for being so???
You look to be inside the illegal to be parked zone I do hope you're not posting incriminating evidence of yourself on teh interwebs now :Police:

[rastuscat]

So Mr Rcat out of interest were you illegally parked there? & did you fine yourself for being so???
You look to be inside the illegal to be parked zone I do hope you're not posting incriminating evidence of yourself on teh interwebs now :Police:

Please advise the parking law I broke. I can't think of one.

Still, your glass half empty attitude personifies the rift between your view and mine.

Remember, it's your democratic right to disagree, and I support that. But really, I wasn't illegally parked, you're scraping the bottom of the barrel there. I always look at whether I could write a ticket for the things I do, keep it legal, that sort of thing.

Just out of interest, there is an exemption granted for the purpose of enforcement. It can be used in certain circumstances, but I wasn't using it, coz I was legally parked.

Donuts.

[Drew]

Please advise the parking law I broke. I can't think of one.

Still, your glass half empty attitude personifies the rift between your view and mine.

Remember, it's your democratic right to disagree, and I support that. But really, I wasn't illegally parked, you're scraping the bottom of the barrel there. I always look at whether I could write a ticket for the things I do, keep it legal, that sort of thing.

Just out of interest, there is an exemption granted for the purpose of enforcement. It can be used in certain circumstances, but I wasn't using it, coz I was legally parked.

Donuts.I just wanna start this post by saying, Scuba Steve is a dick.

However, you are not allowed to park within 5 meters of an intersection. The limit line of the corner you are on is at your front wheel, and you made the R1 fag park right on the intersection.

[rastuscat]

I just wanna start this post by saying, Scuba Steve is a dick.

However, you are not allowed to park within 5 meters of an intersection. The limit line of the corner you are on is at your front wheel, and you made the R1 fag park right on the intersection.

6 metres, actually.

The intersection is defined as that area contained within the prolongation of the lateral boundary lines of the contributing access roads.

I wasn't within 6 metres of that, nor was the bike I stopped.

Still, never let the facts stand in the way of a good whinge. Not an attack on you, just pointing out that I know the rules, and I didn't break them.

[rastuscat]

Let's start another thread if we are going to hammer the parking laws. It's pretty droll, and doesn't deserve the space on this thread.

[Drew]

6 metres, actually.

The intersection is defined as that area contained within the prolongation of the lateral boundary lines of the contributing access roads.

I wasn't within 6 metres of that, nor was the bike I stopped.

Still, never let the facts stand in the way of a good whinge. Not an attack on you, just pointing out that I know the rules, and I didn't break them.

So, the rounded edges don't count then? Weird.

[rastuscat]

So, the rounded edges don't count then? Weird.

No they don't. To make the law enforcble they set a defined area, as outlined. If they had included the curved line it'd change every time a road marking crew turned up to work with a hangover.

[scumdog]

So Mr Rcat out of interest were you illegally parked there? & did you fine yourself for being so???
You look to be inside the illegal to be parked zone I do hope you're not posting incriminating evidence of yourself on teh interwebs now :Police:


You some sort of troll-school drop-out or something???:wacko:

[scumdog]

6 metres, actually.

The intersection is defined as that area contained within the prolongation of the lateral boundary lines of the contributing access roads.

I wasn't within 6 metres of that, nor was the bike I stopped.

Still, never let the facts stand in the way of a good whinge. Not an attack on you, just pointing out that I know the rules, and I didn't break them.

"Must Spread Rep"

Your patience and drongo tolerance is outstanding sir!:2thumbsup

[Drew]

"Must Spread Rep"

Your patience and drongo tolerance is outstanding sir!:2thumbsupYou having a bad week or summat? You're banter is usually better.

[scumdog]

You having a bad week or summat? You're banter is usually better.

Could be, had to put up with a few drongos this week...

Maybe my drongo tolerance has slipped a tad??

[Oakie]

Looks to me like he sat down to have a wee cry. What a fag!

The way he seemed to kneel for a start ... thought he was going to offer RC a BJ for a get out of jail free card.

[Milts]

Would love to be able to hear the full conversation. Nice vid though.

[FJRider]

The way he seemed to kneel for a start ... thought he was going to offer RC a BJ for a get out of jail free card.

He was getting the donuts out of his bag ...

[Scuba_Steve]

I just wanna start this post by saying, Scuba Steve is a dick.

However, you are not allowed to park within 5 meters of an intersection. The limit line of the corner you are on is at your front wheel, and you made the R1 fag park right on the intersection.

You're only saying that cause you like to lick me


You some sort of troll-school drop-out or something???:wacko:

Yea apparently they only needed 1 troll in the cop force & no-one's come close to your abilities yet... Plus I hear you even do it for free :crazy:


Please advise the parking law I broke. I can't think of one.

Still, your glass half empty attitude personifies the rift between your view and mine.

Remember, it's your democratic right to disagree, and I support that. But really, I wasn't illegally parked, you're scraping the bottom of the barrel there. I always look at whether I could write a ticket for the things I do, keep it legal, that sort of thing.

Just out of interest, there is an exemption granted for the purpose of enforcement. It can be used in certain circumstances, but I wasn't using it, coz I was legally parked.

Donuts.

1stly it was supposed to be taken more lightly than it has appeared to be.
2ndly I was going for the 6m from corner
Also the exemptions granted do state you have to show how it was "necessary" & altho corruption being as it is you'd get away with it. I doubt "necessity" could be shown given the facts... but again if both no laws were broken (other than handing out a ticket) & the fact I was just :Pokey: you means thats moot anyways

[FJRider]

Also the exemptions granted do state you have to show how it was "necessary"

As I understand ... it is allowed if it is required "In the course of his duties" ...

[Dave-]

I bet he was thinking "man this video is going to look so awesome on youtube...."

[rastuscat]

He agreed to let me post it after he removed all the other mad things he had done. I didn't see them either. Could have sought a search warrant I suppose, but thought one court charge was enough.

[Kickaha]

. He was fined, but no disq.
How do you not get a disqualification for that kind of speed?

[rastuscat]

How do you not get a disqualification for that kind of speed?

Depends on the charge laid. He was charged with Exceeding 100. NOT driving at a dangerous speed. No mandatory disqualification but the fine was quite nasty.

He appeared and pled guilty at first call, and outlined all the stuff he could to save his licence. The JP could have taken it, but didn't.

Good outcome all round.

[dangerous]

So Mr Rcat out of interest were you illegally parked there? & did you fine yourself for being so???
You look to be inside the illegal to be parked zone I do hope you're not posting incriminating evidence of yourself on teh interwebs now :Police:how the hell do ya figger that?



Go to the video on youtube, click on 'share' (at the bottom of the video player), click on 'embed' and copy the text that comes up. Paste that into your post.tried that in a thread I started yesterday... didnt work, got the 'share' and 'embed' bit right, just wont post up?





You're sounding like a bit of a dick here bro. You fucked up alright, by going faster than the bike was capable of on the day. Story ends. That you did not think you were going faster than the bike was capable, is completely irrelevant.




You're welcome.What? was about 70kph... and I aint no farking 'bro'

[Drew]

What? was about 70kph... and I aint no farking 'bro'Then clearly, 70kph was too fast for going round that corner, on that bike, with you riding, on that day.

[Magnum Noel]

"Must Spread Rep"

Your patience and drongo tolerance is outstanding sir!:2thumbsup

Man you can say that again:clap:

[Muppet]

:corn::corn::corn::corn:

[Muppet]

6 metres, actually.

The intersection is defined as that area contained within the prolongation of the lateral boundary lines of the contributing access roads.

I wasn't within 6 metres of that, nor was the bike I stopped.

Still, never let the facts stand in the way of a good whinge. Not an attack on you, just pointing out that I know the rules, and I didn't break them.

Rastuscat, how many times have I told you not to let the truth get in the way of a good story?

[rastuscat]

Rastuscat, how many times have I told you not to let the truth get in the way of a good story?

You've also told me I get paid $3.50 a week more than you to take the shit I do, so sod off.

Mr Stephens.

[Oakie]

still can't believe I was ONLY doing 106 on the Busa, must have been speedo error at my end. .

Fixed that for you

[rastuscat]

Hey Rastus,

You stopped me a few weeks ago on SH75 and we had a good chat, going too fast blah etc, still can't believe I was doing 106 on the Busa, must have been speedo error at my end.

You gave me a $50 Good behavior voucher for a Motorcycle training session and that's fine, apart from I'm never going to use it.

Why ?

I subtley gave it to my Mrs who has'nt ridden a bike since her GN250 14 years ago when she was at Uni, now she has'nt been off TM all day looking at f**ng Motorcycles to buy ......she's booking the training day sometime soon.

106? Good God man, are you crazy????????

Seriously tho, I hope your Bwana makes the most of the voucher.

[Oakie]

106? Good God man, are you crazy????????

Seriously tho, I hope your Bwana makes the most of the voucher.

So are those subsidised courses still going? I e-mailed one provider a while back but got no reply.

[FJRider]

So are those subsidised courses still going? I e-mailed one provider a while back but got no reply.

Get onto highway 75 at the weekends ... and sit on 106 km's ... And RC might give you one too ... :shifty:

[rastuscat]

So are those subsidised courses still going? I e-mailed one provider a while back but got no reply.

ECan was subsidizing them through until 30 November. Problem was they are very popular (go figure ) and the courses got booked up quite quickly.

Still worth contacting them though, just in case they have a vacancy.

Duncan Seed
2drivesafe.com

Mike Flowers
motorcycleschool.co.nz

Dan Ornsby
Motorcycletraining.co.nz

BTW you don't actually need one of the vouchers. The subsidy applies even without a voucher. It was just a way for us to let people know about the subsidies.

On the other hand,donut vouchers are compulsory.........

[rastuscat]

Get onto highway 75 at the weekends ... and sit on 106 km's ... And RC might give you one too ... :shifty:

Nah, "giving someone one" isn't on the list of approved sanctions........

[Oakie]

A 'Qualifying voucher' wouldn't be required anyway. My work will pay for it as part of my 'Personal Development' (They are quite keen on me showing up for work in one piece for a couple more years.) My boss reckons it's also justified because I delivered Santa to work on the back of the bike once ... Santa was standing on the pillion seat with hands on my shoulders.

EDIT: From Dan Ornsby's site:

Latest News
ACC Subsidy is back!
October 3, 2012 by - Dan
We have just confirmed a 3 year funding scheme with ACC which brings you affordible training to further your On-Road skills. Check out the ACC Subsidy page to register interest!

ECAN Subsidy
September 10, 2012 by - Dan
Due to the uptake on the last Ride For Ever subsidy being so huge, ECAN have allocated more funding for your training, so no doubt we will have even more happy customers! Funding is available for one-on-one training as well …

[oneofsix]

A 'Qualifying voucher' wouldn't be required anyway. My work will pay for it as part of my 'Personal Development' (They are quite keen on me showing up for work in one piece for a couple more years.)

Lucky bastard, I think mine is hoping to save on redundancy and have I got bad news for them :shifty:

[FJRider]

Nah, "giving someone one" isn't on the list of approved sanctions........

I should have said "And bring Donuts" ... :shifty:

[imdying]

You some sort of troll-school drop-out or something???:wacko:

That was just plain funny... you should try more often!

[Oakie]

A 'Qualifying voucher' wouldn't be required anyway. My work will pay for it as part of my 'Personal Development' (They are quite keen on me showing up for work in one piece for a couple more years.) My boss reckons it's also justified because I delivered Santa to work on the back of the bike once ... Santa was standing on the pillion seat with hands on my shoulders. …

Woo hoo! Open Road course confirmed with Dan Ornsby for next Wednesday (14th).

[dangerous]

Woo hoo! Open Road course confirmed with Dan Ornsby for next Wednesday (14th).haha... Ive ridden with that bald badger, I'll show ya the roaps for half the price ;)




na Dan's good his old man better, Dan being a racer is good at combining a little race with road, which is something I promote, some say cant be done but for the most works for me.

[Drew]

some say cant be done but for the most works for me.That trip round SH75 on the borrowed bike, would be one of the exceptions then?

[Oakie]

haha... Ive ridden with that bald badger, I'll show ya the roaps for half the price .

Bet you can't. Thanks to ECAN and my work it's not costing me a cent :)

[Dave-]

Bet you can't. Thanks to ECAN and my work it's not costing me a cent :)

In that case I think D ought to pay you then?

I'd take him up on that if he hadn't over cooked that corner on the spag bol. :D

[dangerous]

I'd take him up on that if he hadn't over cooked that corner on the spag bol. :Dbeen 27 years man... how old are you?

[rastuscat]

been 27 years man... how old are you?

Hey D, congrats on ticking over 50 pages.

[dangerous]

Hey D, congrats on ticking over 50 pages.
cant blame me man... ya feed em they will bite, you got ya info over long ago, it was allways going to turn to shit, its KB and a cop.

[Dave-]

been 27 years man... how old are you?

Hahaha

25, but you never know, might be 27 years before I have my next accident too? and by then I'll be a grumpy old bugger too :P

[dangerous]

Hahaha

25, but you never know, might be 27 years before I have my next accident too? and by then I'll be a grumpy old bugger too :Pyeah but one thing ya wont be is a "ginger' grumpy old bugger... and you will always be 20yrs younger than me, so good luck with the next 27yrs man :sweatdrop

[Dave-]

yeah but one thing ya wont be is a "ginger' grumpy old bugger... and you will always be 20yrs younger than me, so good luck with the next 27yrs man :sweatdrop

Pride before the fall.

ok 27 years from today.

[Oakie]

Did my Open Road Skills training with Dan today. Bloody awesome. I learnt a few things and it will change a the way I ride a bit. Poor Bandit. She's in for a surprise.

[onearmedbandit]

Were you between Tai Tapu and LR at any stage?

[Oakie]

Were you between Tai Tapu and LR at any stage?

Yeah. That was you? I did wonder.

[onearmedbandit]

Yeah. That was you? I did wonder.

Yeah I was out that way twice. I lost my rear seat pad on the way back into town the first time so did another run out there looking for it.

[dangerous]

I learnt a few things and it will change a the way I ride a bit. so, learn us all... what are these things ya lernt?

[Oakie]

so, learn us all... what are these things ya lernt?

Oh God. I'll feel naked exposing all this. Alright, here goes

Cornering: I need to use a lower gear and carry more revs through the corner ... changing down instead of breaking
Emergency braking: I now understand why you need to transfer the weight forward with initial braking before grabbing the big handful.
Fiddly slow speed work: Use back brake, not front (I got to practice this most of the way home in the rush hour traffic).
I need to relax and just let the bike do the work.
I have a habit of leaning my inside shoulder into corners.
That the apex isn't necessarily the middle of the bend.

Just got to try and put it into practice.

[Berries]

Cornering: I need to use a lower gear and carry more revs through the corner ... changing down instead of breaking.
Yes, breaking is very bad. Even on the straights.

[dangerous]

Oh God. I'll feel naked exposing all this. Alright, here goes

Cornering: I need to use a lower gear and carry more revs through the corner ... changing down instead of breaking
Emergency braking: I now understand why you need to transfer the weight forward with initial braking before grabbing the big handful.
Fiddly slow speed work: Use back brake, not front (got to practice this most of the way home in the rush hour traffic).
I need to relax and just let the bike do the work.
I have a habit of leaning my inside shoulder into corners.
That the apex isn't necessarily the middle of the bend.

Just got to try and put it into practice.

basic shit really, things that a old bugger like you should know ;) but most dont and the longer you have been riding the harder it is to change ya ways.
I dont necessarily agree with the back brake comment and ummmm... what ya mean by leaning ya sholder in? IMO you should point the sholder in the direction ya turning. (speed and style of a bike can change all the above)

I took a 20yr old out last w/e to show some tricks n tips to after she thought she knew it all, after I saw her draging the pegs and eventually crashing at the track. A few basic tips and she was amazed how much easier riding became and above all how much safer it can be done.

Training is just scratching the serfice of reducing the crash rate on the likes of 75 but its a start and every one lernt could well be a crash saved... well done Oakie

[Drew]

Wow, what a bunch of tree huggin hippy lovey dovey crap this has turned into.

Now it's just gonna turn in to a debate as to weather Oakie was taught the right stuff.

I must go and do one of these advance rider training things. See where the experts reckon I'm going wrong.