Operation Mataki - SH75 to Akaroa

[rastuscat]

Have started this as a new one so I can post some notes regarding how our weekend SH75 operations are going.

I'll update when there is something worth saying.

Today was my first real day at it, with interesting results.

I set up the laser at quite a few different sites, and got bugger all. Awesome, happy with that. Lots of folk went past my parked Popo troll bike, and saw me pointing the death ray down the road. Lots of propaganda value in that, without costing anyone anything.

Catches were a chap doing 122 on a bike. A distant past acquaintance of mine, as it happens. I said "122, what do I do with that?" He said "Write the ticket", which is what I was hoping for coz I was gonna write it anyway.

Another bloke I found overtaking. He was coming down the outside of a line of cars travelling in the opposite direction. He saw me heading toward him and had nowhere to go, so he just hung tight where he was. We passed with him on my side of the centreline. He happily accepted the ticket. Even he could see that what he had done was shiters.

Lasered my last bloke at 178. Yup, 178. Hope the weather is nice in the next few weeks, he's got a 28 day walk. Then he has a court case to sort out.

The vast majority of bikers rode at good speeds and very sensibly. Nice bikes, many of them too.

Week ones report. Just FYI.

:woohoo:

[gsxr]

178 and he stopped??? Surely that has to be worth at least a few brownie points..........

[rastuscat]

178 and he stopped??? Surely that has to be worth at least a few brownie points..........

Yeah. He got the benefit. His ticket is for exceeding 100, not for dangerous.

I did wonder if he was going to stop, and he did. I felt like I was stepping out in front of a small train.

[gsxr]

Now he will have a long wait and have to find another road to check when the rev limiter kicks in in 6th.
Ya sure know how to ruin a fellas day lol ....

[Asher]

So whats the deal with this operation? Does it cover all road users or just bikes?

How much more above 172kmh does one have to go for you not to try and stop them? :innocent:

[Akzle]

safer communities together

so. who did you HELP today?

[Oakie]

so. who did you HELP today?

Possibly the family whose car that 172kph biker may have ploughed into 5 minutes later ...

[Subike]

so. who did you HELP today?

this is not directed at you Akzle, but a reply to your question as I see it


Me thinks he helped the young couple out for a drive with the children from having a bike hit them at 172kph after he failed to negotiate the pothole, lost control, crossed the center line and hit them head on, punching the engine into the fire wall as he traveled in trough the windscreen, taking the mother out from the shoulders up, snapping the back of the seat that crushed the child in the child seat behind her, as the bike cartwheeled over the car crashing into the following vehicle causing it to loo.............and then the statistics rise, and our ACC is increased

[Berries]

Emotive bollocks. I doubt very much that Mr 178 was going to travel at that speed all the way home and would encounter the pothole that would cause all that calamity. More likely he felt he was on a quiet road, little traffic, nice weather and gave it a squirt, only to find there was a cop sitting there doing speed enforcement.

The family with children are more likely to be involved in a crash with a motorbike when the bike crosses the centre line on a corner or turns in front of them at an intersection than from one simply traveling at a higher speed than the current national speed limit.

Or when a bike is overtaking in a stupid place. But then he was under the speed limit so was perfectly fine and not likely to cause a crash. Now that is worth a Tui.

[Subike]

Can you 100% depend upon that opinion berries?
mine was just a scenario that is within the realms of possibility.
And there have been several incidents like that on that road
Including bikes meeting head on at speed.

[Berries]

You can never depend on someone else 100% but that scenario is pretty rare when you consider the type of crashes bikes have. You don't have to be doing stupid speeds to swing wide and have a head on. Most times people manage to do that while traveling under the speed limit.

[onearmedbandit]

Meh, I know the speed limit is 100km/h, if I choose to break it I know the risks. Unless I am actively doing something about changing the nations speed limits, I don't see any gain in complaining about them.

[gsxr]

Meh, I know the speed limit is 100km/h, if I choose to break it I know the risks. Unless I am actively doing something about changing the nations speed limits, I don't see any gain in complaining about them.
So What does 122kmh cost now ????

[onearmedbandit]

So What does 122kmh cost now ????

Some money and some points. Maybe ultimately your license for 3 months.

[rastuscat]

safer communities together

so. who did you HELP today?

Stopped a couple of riders who were at the tolerance, just to remind them that the limit is 100 and that relying on a Popo to exercise his discretion is a risky business.

Also dealt with a variety of cage drivers. Including a bunch of "car enthusiasts" who we're on an Old School Toyota Crooz. Knobs.

Spread the love, don't worry.

[rastuscat]

Emotive bollocks. I doubt very much that Mr 178 was going to travel at that speed all the way home and would encounter the pothole that would cause all that calamity. More likely he felt he was on a quiet road, little traffic, nice weather and gave it a squirt,..........

Interesting. I can't reveal too much about the individual circumstances of the rider, as it might identify him.

He wasn't as you mentioned. He was overtaking a line of 4 cars. Luckily he didn't try the "I went that fast to get back on my own side of the road more quickly".

I was standing on the Motukarara straight, at the turnoff to the Moutukarara race course. In plain view. High viz, riding a troll bike that was also in plain view, parked side on to traffic, well clear of the lane. I heard the acceleration, turned and saw the headlight coming up the side of a line of cars coming toward me from the Gebbies Pass direction. The Blue Duck.

Now, I'm all for being proactive at overtaking, but 178? Sorry, can't condone that.

In the same spot, as I was talking to Mr 178, I flagged another couple of bikes down and asked them to slow down, coz they were flying out of the same corner he had just come around.

Also stopped a lady on a new Yamaha and discussed the merits of having her headlight on full beam. Back on the 80s I could understand it, but the full beam was bright enough to light up Mars, and was in the dazzle-the-oncoming-motorists category.

Wrote the three tickets I mentioned. Engaged with a lot more road users.

Happy, AZKLE? Somehow I doubt it.

See you all out the today. Not hard to guess where I'll be.

[Akzle]

Possibly the family whose car that 172kph biker may have ploughed into 5 minutes later ...
here's my problem with your assertion. the word MAY.
i submit that anyone who has the nuts to pilot an iron horse at that speed is probably not the kind who drives into things while not paying attention. and that the woman driving the family car would probably have been to blame in that crash.

...a reply to your question as I see it...

Me thinks he helped the young couple out for a drive with the children from having a bike hit them at 172kph after he failed to negotiate the pothole, lost control, crossed the center line and hit them head on, punching the engine into the fire wall as he traveled in trough the windscreen, taking the mother out from the shoulders up, snapping the back of the seat that crushed the child ...
wow. that's a really EMO story :violin:
yes. crashes are horrible.
unfortunately for your argument, there is absolutely nothing to suggest that pilot would have been involved in a crash.


You can never depend on someone else 100% but that scenario is pretty rare when you consider the type of crashes bikes have. You don't have to be doing stupid speeds to swing wide and have a head on. Most times people manage to do that while traveling under the speed limit.
80% of people (who crash...), in fact, manage to fatally inure themselves and others. UNDER THE SPEED LIMIT.
the thing about being on/near a road i that you have to account for the 100% of other people that you CANNOT rely on, to not kill you through their own fuckups.


Stopped a couple of riders who were at the tolerance, just to remind them that the limit is 100 and that relying on a Popo to exercise his discretion is a risky business.

Also dealt with a variety of cage drivers. Including a bunch of "car enthusiasts" who we're on an Old School Toyota Crooz. Knobs.

Spread the love, don't worry.
...


In the same spot, as I was talking to Mr 178, I flagged another couple of bikes down and asked them to slow down, coz they were flying out of the same corner he had just come around.

Also stopped a lady on a new Yamaha and discussed the merits of having her headlight on full beam. Back on the 80s I could understand it, but the full beam was bright enough to light up Mars, and was in the dazzle-the-oncoming-motorists category.

Wrote the three tickets I mentioned. Engaged with a lot more road users.

Happy, AZKLE? Somehow I doubt it..

i am happy today, actually. and most days. on account of: i'm alive and that suits me well right now.
asides from telling the daft woman to not cruise on high beam, could you please point out who you helped... i'm trying to read between the lines of your posts but i just don't see it....

[rastuscat]

i am happy today, actually. and most days. on account of: i'm alive and that suits me well right now.
asides from telling the daft woman to not cruise on high beam, could you please point out who you helped... i'm trying to read between the lines of your posts but i just don't see it....


Fair question. I clearly haven't be clear enough. Is that clear?

I helped a number of people to avoid prosecution by advising them that they were damn near getting ticketed, and that we're going to spend lots opf time on SH75 at weekends. Its called prevention.

I stopped a bloke towing a boat, with 3 cars behind him, in a windy bit. Windy? Yeah, a bit with no straights, not with excessive gusts of breeze. The cars drove on, helping them to avoid overtaking in a subsequent bad area, and allowing them to go about their business without being held up by the bloke towing the boat.

Does that qualify as help in Azkle World?

[AllanB]

Also dealt with a variety of cage drivers. Including a bunch of "car enthusiasts" who we're on an Old School Toyota Crooz. Knobs.

Classic. I was fortunate to not be stopped by you, I was on the naughty side of legal when the gun was pointed my way, maybe the reading was off due to the road and cars in front. Maybe my speedo is out! It was a sneeky spot you were tucked into!

A few kms down the road I saw the above mentioned 'enthusiasts' bouncing down the road on their lowered 1980's Toyotas. Figured they would cover any quota expetations you had!


Question - if a chap on a bike stopped and asked you to check his indicated speedo speed with your gun would you be happy to verify? The net forums tell me my bike reads 7% or so high but just my luck it may be the one accurate bike they built!

Interesting post, probably a good public awarenesss tool. I'll certainly be more aware on my frequent spins over the hill.

[rastuscat]

Question - if a chap on a bike stopped and asked you to check his indicated speedo speed with your gun would you be happy to verify? The net forums tell me my bike reads 7% or so high but just my luck it may be the one accurate bike they built!

Stop and chat. I'm happy to run the Popo troll bike at 100, and have you follow me to see what your speedo says.

I'm the brand mit den 3 stripes (sorry Adidas). If you're talking to a motorcycle Popo with 1 stripe, it's not me.


Interesting post, probably a good public awarenesss tool. I'll certainly be more aware on my frequent spins over the hill.

Dude, that's why I post it here. If I write a ticket it has an effect on the rider. If I tell a hundred people I wrote a ticket, it has an effect on lots more. :)

[Flip]

Got your quota and its off to the donut shop.

Good on ya.

[ellipsis]

...if you see a ginga on a silver mountainbike speeding past on the rail trail its probably me and I will be speeding...

[imdying]

Possibly the family whose car that 172kph biker may have ploughed into 5 minutes later ...What is this Minority Report or something :facepalm:

[Drew]

178! Fucked if I'd have stopped!

Can't believe you stepped out in front of him, I have a good mind to report you to the department of labour. Your safety is the most important part of your job, how do you get away with stepping in front of certain death, when you get a warning for going in public without your stab proof vest.

[rastuscat]

178! Fucked if I'd have stopped!

Can't believe you stepped out in front of him, I have a good mind to report you to the department of labour. Your safety is the most important part of your job, how do you get away with stepping in front of certain death, when you get a warning for going in public without your stab proof vest.

I'll take the warning. Thanks Drew.

Don't worry, I had a bail-out-route sorted.

Someone asked at what speed someone should not stop. Around the Snake Pit (my office) the first thing people say is that they can't believe he stopped.

Hey, is this thread keeping me off the road? Drew, are you simply trying to keep me off SH75?

I've rumbled you Drew, see ya, I'm off to Motukarara.

[Akzle]

I helped a number of people to avoid prosecution by advising them that they were damn near getting ticketed, and that we're going to spend lots opf time on SH75 at weekends. Its called prevention.
Does that qualify as help in Azkle World?
it a twisted sort of way. yes.
but if it weren't for crown rule, they wouldn't be getting persecuted, sorry, prosecuted, anyway.



I stopped a bloke towing a boat, with 3 cars behind him, in a windy bit. Windy? Yeah, a bit with no straights, not with excessive gusts of breeze. The cars drove on, helping them to avoid overtaking in a subsequent bad area, and allowing them to go about their business without being held up by the bloke towing the boat.
Does that qualify as help in Azkle World?

A-K-Z-L-E. are you dislexsycism? there's many a post with misplaced apostrophes, letters, words, etc. maybe your radar gun was actually reading 187 >< :p
yeah.. but really. if the boat tower was a responsible thinking denizen he'd've got his own ass out the way.... did you give him an infringement notice for impeding traffic? you should have. i hate inconsiderate cunts.

[rastuscat]

i hate inconsiderate cunts.

Don't be so hard on yourself :)

[Akzle]

Don't be so hard on yourself :)

now see, if i was an inconsiderate cunt. that would be good zing. but i'm not., just a regular garden-variety cunt.

i'll take it then, that you did not give mr boat an infringement notice.
poor form.:nono:

[FJRider]

178! Fucked if I'd have stopped!

Can't believe you stepped out in front of him, I have a good mind to report you to the department of labour. Your safety is the most important part of your job, how do you get away with stepping in front of certain death, when you get a warning for going in public without your stab proof vest.

Hitting a cop at 178 km's will be as bad as hitting a dog at that speed. :bye:

Those things are thick skinned. Especially if they're wearing a stab-proof vest ... :pinch:

[FJRider]

.. just a regular garden-variety cunt.



You must have a dam good garden then ... 'cause it's full of shit ...

[Oakie]

could you please point out who you helped... i'm trying to read between the lines of your posts but i just don't see it...

Ah I see your problem. You have popo confused with the Salvation Army. The Sallies help people. Popo's job is maintaining the peace and upholding the law (in in doing so, indirectly helping people).

[haydes55]

if the boat tower was a responsible thinking denizen he'd've got his own ass out the way.... did you give him an infringement notice for impeding traffic? you should have. i hate inconsiderate cunts.

Couldn't agree with you more there (is that the first time anyones agreed with Akzle on here?).

I work driving a van, if anyone catches up to me and there isn't any good overtaking areas anywhere soon I waste a total of 1 second of my time and let them past. I stick to speed limits, I don't want to endanger my licence and job. So quite often I'm letting speeders past. But I'd rather speeders safely past me than try a dodgy over take.

On the other side, the drivers who go below the speed limit when it isn't necessary (good weather straight roads late model car and going 20km/h below the limit). Why don't these arseholes get tickets? They cost me time at work, time is money (Need time to make commissions). They cause drivers and riders to overtake in less than ideal locations and probably cause as many crashes as speeding drivers. If these drivers can't control their vehicle at the speed limit then how have they got a licence?

Rastus, can I call *555 on menacing slow drivers? I know of a person who got pulled over for flashing their lights at a slow car who wouldn't pull into the left lane of the motorway, so what can we do? Can I find a safe place to overtake said snail then go 20km/h slower than what they want to go and not let them past?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Lasered my last bloke at 178. Yup, 178. Hope the weather is nice in the next few weeks, he's got a 28 day walk. Then he has a court case to sort out.


not a bad effort. Presumably still only in 4th.

[FJRider]

Lasered my last bloke at 178. Yup, 178. Hope the weather is nice in the next few weeks, he's got a 28 day walk. Then he has a court case to sort out.


Yeah. He got the benefit. His ticket is for exceeding 100, not for dangerous.

So what was the court case for ... exceeding 100 km's is not a court case ... or is being forbidden to drive for 28 days now a court case ... ???

[HenryDorsetCase]

So what was the court case for ... exceeding 100 km's is not a court case ... or is being forbidden to drive for 28 days now a court case ... ???

if you get pinged over 140 you get to walk home is my understanding.

[FJRider]

if you get pinged over 140 you get to walk home is my understanding.

40 km's over any posted limit actually, and forbidden to drive for 28 days. Usually an instant court case for the clocked speed (in this case 178) but this guy only got an "exceeding 100" ... $35 and 10 demerits. (from [BAD] memory)
I'm curious as to what the court case was for. Exceeding 100 is just an instant fine. And shouldn't require a 28 day walk.

[Madness]

40 km's over any posted limit actually, and forbidden to drive for 28 days. Usually an instant court case for the clocked speed (in this case 178) but this guy only got an "exceeding 100" ... $35 and 10 demerits. (from [BAD] memory)
I'm curious as to what the court case was for. Exceeding 100 is just an instant fine. And shouldn't require a 28 day walk.

It's a sliding scale these days. The faster you go, the bigger the donuts.

[rastuscat]

Classic. I was fortunate to not be stopped by you, I was on the naughty side of legal when the gun was pointed my way,

...........luckily it wasnt a gun. Arming the Police hasn't got that far yet. For the moment we use lasers.

[rastuscat]

So what was the court case for ... exceeding 100 km's is not a court case ... or is being forbidden to drive for 28 days now a court case ... ???

A Traffic Offence Notice for Exceeding 100 is a speeding ticket. It doesn't fall within the infringement range, which only goes up to 50 over any given limit. He was 78 over.

There is a court case, although it's not compulsory to attend, as it doesn't carry imprisonment. A bit like Careless Driving.

You normally get a fine, and maybe a 2 or 3 month ban.

Worthy question though, as even some Popos think that if you can't get an infringement coz you are going too fast you have to get charged with Dangerous Driving (Manner) or Dangerous Driving (Speed). Incorrectamundo.

[Subike]

were you at coop town mid arvo?
saw the popo bike with a red scrappy honda 6 hundy
the guys past me on a blind going up the hill

[rastuscat]

were you at coop town mid arvo?
saw the popo bike with a red scrappy honda 6 hundy
the guys past me on a blind going up the hill

Yup, that was me. Stopped him for speed while overtaking. Didn't write him a ticket though, just a flea in the ear.

Pity, after what he did to you.

Funny, it was one of his mates who I caught yesterday at Warp 7. Yesterdyas man would have been out today, but he's walking for 28 lovely days.

[rastuscat]

if you get pinged over 140 you get to walk home is my understanding.

In excess of any fixed speed limit by more than 40 and you win a 28 day wander.

In excess of any temporary limit (eg road works) and you have to exceed the limit by more than 50.

Speed cameras don't get a 28 day wander, no matter how fast.

The 28 day walk is unrelated to the charge. It happens in addition to the charge, and doesn't reduce any ban you get, if you do get one.

[Subike]

Yup, that was me. Stopped him for speed while overtaking. Didn't write him a ticket though, just a flea in the ear.

Pity, after what he did to you.

Funny, it was one of his mates who I caught yesterday at Warp 7. Yesterdyas man would have been out today, but he's walking for 28 lovely days.

Just proves how much of a real muppet he was, as i told him you would be there when talking to him in Akaroa 20 minutes earlier.
I was not surprised giving the condition of the bikes. looks like it had met the asphalt a few times other than on its wheels

[Akzle]

Ah I see your problem. You have popo confused with the Salvation Army. The Sallies help people. Popo's job is maintaining the peace and upholding the law enforcing policy. (in in doing so, indirectly helping people).

indirectly helping people:killingme:
. .

[Scuba_Steve]

In excess of any fixed speed limit by more than 40 and you win a 28 day wander.

In excess of any temporary limit (eg road works) and you have to exceed the limit by more than 50.

Speed cameras don't get a 28 day wander, no matter how fast.

The 28 day walk is unrelated to the charge. It happens in addition to the charge, and doesn't reduce any ban you get, if you do get one.

And is illegal under NZ law!

you missed the most important part... don't worry I added it in for you ;)

[rastuscat]

you missed the most important part... don't worry I added it in for you ;)

Welcome back Skoober. I've missed you tewwibwy.

[Drew]

I'll take the warning. Thanks Drew.

Don't worry, I had a bail-out-route sorted.

Someone asked at what speed someone should not stop. Around the Snake Pit (my office) the first thing people say is that they can't believe he stopped.

Hey, is this thread keeping me off the road? Drew, are you simply trying to keep me off SH75?

I've rumbled you Drew, see ya, I'm off to Motukarara.I call you cunts 'snakes' too, so I get the reference.

I am only half joking about this by the way, the health and safety shit I have to go through says that what you did, warrants a written warning and a retraining seminar on responsible work place crap.

Too many things could have gone wrong, the safest option was to try and get his attention from an out of his way vantage.


Hitting a cop at 178 km's will be as bad as hitting a dog at that speed. :bye:

Those things are thick skinned. Especially if they're wearing a stab-proof vest ... :pinch:I've hit birds at those speeds, a pig would kill you.

[Motobutch]

Also dealt with a variety of cage drivers. Including a bunch of "car enthusiasts" who we're on an Old School Toyota Crooz. Knobs.

Spread the love, don't worry.

I saw those fuckwits go through Halswell, abusing people out the window and generally being quality young achievers. The notion that they got nicked further on down the road just made my night. Nice one.

[Kickaha]

I call you cunts 'snakes' too, so I get the reference.

It's not a reference often used though except by those with a few years on them

First time I ever saw the term used a a reference for the Traffic cops was a short story I read at school by Philip Mincher called "A kind of Madness" which dealt with a motorcycle cop chasing a car and the aftermath

Would have been a good 20 years after that before I heard it used in real life

[FJRider]

I've hit birds at those speeds, a pig would kill you.

It wouldn't do the pig much good either ... (2nd mouse gets the bacon) :innocent:

[Drew]

It's not a reference often used though except by those with a few years on them

First time I ever saw the term used a a reference for the Traffic cops was a short story I read at school by Philip Mincher called "A kind of Madness" which dealt with a motorcycle cop chasing a car and the aftermath

Would have been a good 20 years after that before I heard it used in real life
Got a pommy mate, 'jimbo600' who introduced us to the term.

[scumdog]

here's my problem with your assertion. the word MAY.
i submit that anyone who has the nuts to pilot an iron horse at that speed is probably not the kind who drives into things while not paying attention]

Mwahaha, there are graves all over NZ occupied by people that thought that kind of thing - up until point of impact & 'life extinct'.

It can happen so easily - cop-car over the rise doing a U-turn and 'neck minnit'...

[rastuscat]

I call you cunts 'snakes' too, so I get the reference.

I am only half joking about this by the way, the health and safety shit I have to go through says that what you did, warrants a written warning and a retraining seminar on responsible work place crap.

Too many things could have gone wrong, the safest option was to try and get his attention from an out of his way vantage.

I've hit birds at those speeds, a pig would kill you.

The guy had a video camera on his tank, and apparently he videoed the entire thing. Along with a lot of the other mad things he had done before I stopped him.

I spoke to him today, he's promised to cut the bit about our chance encounter and send it to me. If I can manage it I will show you how it all panned out. I'm hoping I didn't look too much like a dick.

It's the world we live in, nearly every interaction we have has the potential to end up on Utube.

Luckily I did it pretty well, or so he tells me.

:doh:

[rastuscat]

I am only half joking about this by the way, the health and safety shit I have to go through says that what you did, warrants a written warning and a retraining seminar on responsible work place crap..

I was there, he was there. We are the only two qualified to comment on the safety of it.

It was safe.

[Drew]

I was there, he was there. We are the only two qualified to comment on the safety of it.

It was safe.I'll take your word for it.

[gsxr]

The guy had a video camera on his tank, and apparently he videoed the entire thing. Along with a lot of the other mad things he had done before I stopped him.

I spoke to him today, he's promised to cut the bit about our chance encounter and send it to me. If I can manage it I will show you how it all panned out. I'm hoping I didn't look too much like a dick.

It's the world we live in, nearly every interaction we have has the potential to end up on Utube.

Luckily I did it pretty well, or so he tells me.

:doh:

Chance encounter ???
Is he editing out the bit where he bent over for you ????.
He obviously liked it if he admits you did it pretty well.
Bet he cant wait for the 28 days to end so he can have another "chance encounter "

[Oakie]

Chance encounter ???
Is he editing out the bit where he bent over for you ????.
He obviously liked it if he admits you did it pretty well.
Bet he cant wait for the 28 days to end so he can have another "chance encounter "

You aren't suggesting that RC had an experience with a donut of a different kind?

[scumdog]

I'll take your word for it.

I'm sure r.c will be relieved to know that...

[Drew]

I'm sure r.c will be relieved to know that...You aren't using the correct sarcasm font a-hole!

[GrayWolf]

here's my problem with your assertion. the word MAY.
i submit that anyone who has the nuts to pilot an iron horse at that speed is probably not the kind who drives into things while not paying attention. and that the woman driving the family car would probably have been to blame in that crash.
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and I submit you are either unbelievably nieve, or a complete dumbarse. I would suggest that MOST 'iron horse' riders doing 170+ in the described manner/location type, do have 'NUTS'; and no effin brains!

[Akzle]

and I submit you are either unbelievably nieve, or a complete dumbarse. I would suggest that MOST 'iron horse' riders doing 170+ in the described manner/location type, do have 'NUTS'; and no effin brains!

*naïve


i'm sorry. you'll have to submit that in writing to my QC/HR department.

[vae]

Daft woman with the high beam has had her knee cap smashed out of her leg, arm plate, nuts and bolts etc... due to SMIDSY drivers and I'm told I'm a hazard. So full of the flu, I probably am:sick:
Oh well took it on board and had a driver U turn on me about 20 minutes after I dimmed it.
Appreciated the friendly wave from Rastuscat on the Sunday though (I was in mufti on another bike).
He has his donuts but I have apple shortcake from the last cafe at Little River. 2 fit under the seat, just.

[5150]

now see, if i was an inconsiderate cunt. that would be good zing. but i'm not., just a regular garden-variety cunt.



You can't be a cunt. You don't have the deapth or the warmth. :lol:

[Akzle]

You can't be a cunt. You don't have the deapth or the warmth. :lol:
*depth

put one out in the garden and see how long that lasts...

[rossirep]

so after reading all of this it sounds like the Akaroa GP is no longer the go, might be time to start up the weekend Hanmer blast cause by the sound of it all the piggers will be busy sitting on the Akaroa highway and playing on their computers posting on here.. lol,

[HenryDorsetCase]

Tuesday afternoon is the new Saturday morning

[rastuscat]

Daft woman with the high beam has had her knee cap smashed out of her leg, arm plate, nuts and bolts etc... due to SMIDSY drivers and I'm told I'm a hazard. So full of the flu, I probably am:sick:
Oh well took it on board and had a driver U turn on me about 20 minutes after I dimmed it.
Appreciated the friendly wave from Rastuscat on the Sunday though (I was in mufti on another bike).
He has his donuts but I have apple shortcake from the last cafe at Little River. 2 fit under the seat, just.

Hi Vae

I have pondered your reasoning a lot since we chatted. I considered your subjective reasoning, and fully understand why you use high beam.

If you are on a bike with average lights, the high beam use is normally okey dokey, despite being illegal. Thing is, I wouldn't be surprised if you had a call from NASA, asking you to turn your lights off coz they are distracting the Hubble telescope. I saw your headlight and what worries me is that the mice running the treadmill that powers it are on steroids. Did you get them from the US Postal
Cycling team?

Your high beam is just plain dazzling. Good for you, but compromises the safety of everyone else.

Looking beyond that, I wonder why you fall victim to SMIDSYs so often. I do a few km on both the troll bike and my own bike, and I don't get nailed that often. what are you doing that's special?

I mentioned to you the high viz black jacket you had on. My thoughts on that are that different colour panels on the arms and chest are quite good. Like a black jacket with greys or whits mixed in. It's the contrast that draws the eye.

Not saying you need to look like an orange or a lemon, just an observation on something you can do that might help.

Red and blue flashing lights work too.

Sorry to hear about your close calls, but I'm sure that you ride defensively, so are doing as much as you can. Some knobs just don't see us. There are few homicidal maniacs out there, but more folk who suffer from in attention blindness. Google that term, and also have a look at motion camouflage.

See ya out on the road, Citizen.:drinkup:

[rastuscat]

so after reading all of this it sounds like the Akaroa GP is no longer the go, might be time to start up the weekend Hanmer blast cause by the sound of it all the piggers will be busy sitting on the Akaroa highway and playing on their computers posting on here.. lol,

I'm not the fun police. It's quite possible to ride SH75 and enjoy it without turning it into a GP.

The Rangiora HP guys love the Hanmer Road, be careful.

[Drew]

I am aware that people get SMIDSY'd. But I can't help but wonder why the fuck it happens to the some people lots. I can't remember the last time it happened to me. I have a vague recollection of someone changing lanes on top of me, but I think I was in the van at the time.

Is it possible that some people blow out of proportion, people taking a smallish gap in front of them?

Is it possible also, that people who have crashed into cars failing to give way are victims of plain old misjudgement? Like the driver says. "Sorry mate, I didn't see you". But reality is they are only trying to make themselves feel better after a monumental fuck up on their part?

Why are bikers such fuckin pussies for the most part? Waa, the cops are out to get me. Waa, the cars are trying to kill me. Harden the fuck up!

Rant over, as you were.

[Drew]

I'm not the fun police. It's quite possible to ride SH75 and enjoy it without turning it into a GP.
:oi-grr:

Maybe if you're as old as father time, and ride like a girl.

[scumdog]

You aren't using the correct sarcasm font a-hole!

Who-the-fuck-are-you? - the Sarcasm Police??

<_<

[merv]

Vae as a biker and a car driver I just hate bikes riding with high beam on around me. As the Popo says it is dazzling and annoying and is apt to make someone look away not focus on where you are so I would say it is more dangerous for you to do that to people and is just plain dangerous.

Follow the road code, dip your lights like you're meant to.

I'm like Drew I can't say I have much problem with people not seeing me and I don't wear hi-vis at all as I come from the era of plain black leather.

Keep a scanning eye on everyone else and then you'll have no problems.

[Racing Dave]

I'm not the fun police. It's quite possible to ride SH75 and enjoy it without turning it into a GP.



Sure is. I went over and back on Friday morning, in company with K1200S, and we had a great ride. No dramas, very little other traffic, and the road's in good condition considering the recent rain and slips. Very windy (that is, the beastly easterly, not the curving road) around Motukarara. It would have been hard for RC to stand up, let alone use a laser!

[Oakie]

:oi-grr:

Maybe if you're as old as father time, and ride like a girl.

'Ere. I resemble that remark!

[Drew]

Who-the-fuck-are-you? - the Sarcasm Police??

<_<

Yes, that's exactly who I am.:wait:

Seeeee?

[Drew]

'Ere. I resemble that remark!
Sorry. Don't shoot the messanger.

[rastuscat]

[QUOTE=rastuscat;1130390355]I'm not the fun police. It's quite possible to ride SH75 and enjoy it without turning it into a GP.

QUOTE]

Sure is. I went over and back on Friday morning, in company with K1200S, and we had a great ride. No dramas, very little other traffic, and the road's in good condition considering the recent rain and slips. Very windy (that is, the beastly easterly, not the curving road) around Motukarara. It would have been hard for RC to stand up, let alone use a laser!

You must have just missed us. Me and one of my troops took the troll bikes out for an Op Mataki scoping run. It was very, very gusty. Bloody nasty coming out from behind a hill to be hit by a blast.

Karma visited me. I wrote a cager a speeding ticket. Same bloke as I wrote a seatbelt ticket for in 2010. He read me my parentage on both occasions, but I know I won that duel.

Had flat white in the last cafe on the left in Little River. Bloody good sausage rolls. No donuts though.

[Akzle]

Who-the-fuck-are-you? - the Sarcasm Police??

<_<


Yes, that's exactly who I am.:wait:

Seeeee?

*
. .

[duckonin]

:corn::corn::corn:

[scumdog]

*
. .



And who asked YOU for your tuppence worth?

Fuck off back to greenland where you belong.. :angry:

[scumdog]

Why are bikers such fuckin pussies for the most part? Waa, the cops are out to get me. Waa, the cars are trying to kill me. Harden the fuck up!

Rant over, as you were.

Gotta agree with that rant...:yes:

[AllanB]

Excellent thread, most interesting.

Ultimately I think it was well said about page 2 - speed and get caught - tough shit. Considering all who used that road are on notice that the popo are around there is no excuse for a bitch if caught. I'll still ride it. It may even cost be a buck or two if I don't reign in the right hand.

PS - out past Taitapu in thet car yesterday - I see a white mufti Holden was added to the enforsement equipment.

Probably a good idea for those who have not got their rides registered to consider an alternative venue!

Must be 'documentation' checks on motorcycles at Taitapu coming up soon. Last summer I had a chat with a good bugger who was very interested in bikes. He liked my Yoshis - and my correct 'documentation'.

[scumdog]

OOne of several reasons I ride like a nana in a sensible manner is I know how many cops are out there - and where they're likely to be.

And before anybody says "they wouldn't pull you over" - bullshit, how do they know who I am?

And if anybody thinks "But they'll let you off once they find out what you do" - oh will they indeed? (I ain't takin' the risk sunshine)

[AllanB]

We need a KB discount card for SH75!!! 10% off your recorded speed if you display when caught.

Mind you considering the advance warning maybe a KB stupidy card would be more applicable if caught (I may regret that comment if pulled over LOL).

Special wave anyone?????????

[Subike]

I guess riding a bike that cant go fast enough to get over the speed limit could also be another option......

[Drew]

We need a KB discount card for SH75!!! 10% off your recorded speed if you display when caught.

Mind you considering the advance warning maybe a KB stupidy card would be more applicable if caught (I may regret that comment if pulled over LOL).

Special wave anyone?????????

Pretty sure if you still get caught speeding there after reading this thread, you should be allowed to play on train tracks, with a loaded gun and a knife to defend yourself when one arrives.

[Drew]

OOne of several reasons I ride like a nana in a sensible manner is I know how many cops are out there - and where they're likely to be.

And before anybody says "they wouldn't pull you over" - bullshit, how do they know who I am?

And if anybody thinks "But they'll let you off once they find out what you do" - oh will they indeed? (I ain't takin' the risk sunshine)

A story from a 'filthy non sworn' mate of mine.

Traffic snake nabbed an unmarked car, and made the copper walk for having an expired license by a month.

Said snake at a later date pulled over a load of very angry gang types, called in for assistance, but ended up with some old school pay back instead.

[rastuscat]

Excellent thread, most interesting.

Ultimately I think it was well said about page 2 - speed and get caught - tough shit. Considering all who used that road are on notice that the popo are around there is no excuse for a bitch if caught. I'll still ride it. It may even cost be a buck or two if I don't reign in the right hand.

PS - out past Taitapu in thet car yesterday - I see a white mufti Holden was added to the enforsement equipment.

Probably a good idea for those who have not got their rides registered to consider an alternative venue!

Must be 'documentation' checks on motorcycles at Taitapu coming up soon. Last summer I had a chat with a good bugger who was very interested in bikes. He liked my Yoshis - and my correct 'documentation'.

The white SV6 belongs to the Highway Patrol group responsible for enforcement on SH75. Trust me when I say this, they have significantly less sympathy for bikers than I do. Our presence each weekend is in addition to what the HP is doing.

That's why I started the Op Mataki stuff on KB. I'd rather chat to KBers over donuts at the Little River coffee shops than have their pockets emptied by them being caught doing silly things.

Basically if everyone cools down a bit on SH75 there'll be less of us falling off the road, which happens every bloody summer.

By posting here I'm hoping as ,any people as possible avoid donating to the consolidated fund. I'm not going soft though (Mrs Rastus can vouch for that!) The death ray is getting a workout each weekend. I have discretion, but I'm not a soft touch.

[Drew]

Basically if everyone cools down a bit on SH75 there'll be less of us falling off the road, which happens every bloody summer.

WAAAAY oversimplified in my opinion. But different sides of the fence, we probably shouldn't agree.

[Kickaha]

Basically if everyone cools down a bit on SH75 there'll be less of us falling off the road, which happens every bloody summer.

You're quite the little optimist aren't you

[rastuscat]

You're quite the little optimist aren't you

I'm also convinced that world peace and free access to donuts are just around the corner.

[Padmei]

I got a silly question.
A while ago I got fined for speeding over the Lewis - fair cop guv!
i think it was around 120 in a car. I had earlier stopped at Springs junction where they were fundraising for a sat phone, defib or something for SAR etc.
What would have happened if i had asked the nice cop if instead of paying whatever the fine was ($150?) if I gave a donation of half that amount to the fundraiser would he have let me go?

I just thought the money would actually be going towards something tangible that could help others?

While I'm raving here, I have had a few tickets over the years however the amount of the fines imposed doesn't really deter me that much. It's the actual humiliation of being pulled over that deters me. I feel like a naughty kid going to the circle of shame in the playground.
So RC & Scumdog sometimes a warning or quiet word does more good for PR and slows some of us down.


BTW are you my neighbour RC?

[FJRider]

I'm also convinced that world peace and free access to donuts are just around the corner.

You've been waiting around a corner all weekend ... did you get a glimpse ... ???

[Brian d marge]

I had a campaign a while back to help towards the cost , of those had bought doughnut vouchers, the one with most doughnut vouchers got reembursed

was a serious offer , no one took up

oh well

Stephen
174, kilometers per hour , in the old days it was MILES per hour .......

[gammaguy]

The white SV6 belongs to the Highway Patrol group responsible for enforcement on SH75. Trust me when I say this, they have significantly less sympathy for bikers than I do. Our presence each weekend is in addition to what the HP is doing.

That's why I started the Op Mataki stuff on KB. I'd rather chat to KBers over donuts at the Little River coffee shops than have their pockets emptied by them being caught doing silly things.

Basically if everyone cools down a bit on SH75 there'll be less of us falling off the road, which happens every bloody summer.

By posting here I'm hoping as ,any people as possible avoid donating to the consolidated fund. I'm not going soft though (Mrs Rastus can vouch for that!) The death ray is getting a workout each weekend. I have discretion, but I'm not a soft touch.

As long as there are riders who behave like the two wheeled equivalent of boy racers on that road, you will never be unemployed.

We both know you won't be signing on to the dole queue anytime soon

[Akzle]

And who asked YOU for your tuppence worth?

Fuck off back to greenland where you belong.. :angry:
i am in greenland. i never left. i just keep smoking the furniture...
but who asked YOU ?


OOne of several reasons I ride like a nana...is because you are a loud-mouth yankee-doodle blouse. end of.


...I have had a few tickets over the years however the amount of the fines imposed doesn't really deter me that much. It's the actual humiliation of being pulled over that deters me. I feel like a naughty kid going to the circle of shame in the playground.
hahah. you need to change your view. i LOVE dealing with cops. they're hilarious fun. probably over 10k of "court enforcement" fines (~about 3-4K actually handed out by PO...) and i still do exactly what the fuck i want. when i want. where i want. (and aint hurt nobody in the doing so) and i'm making them pay their own fines off. good fucking deal (thanks NZ tax payers, for propping up this game)

I'm also convinced that world peace and free access to donuts are just around the corner.and you're helping that one along, i'm sure...:scratch:

[vae]

I am aware that people get SMIDSY'd. But I can't help but wonder why the fuck it happens to the some people lots. I can't remember the last time it happened to me. I have a vague recollection of someone changing lanes on top of me, but I think I was in the van at the time.

Is it possible that some people blow out of proportion, people taking a smallish gap in front of them?

Is it possible also, that people who have crashed into cars failing to give way are victims of plain old misjudgement? Like the driver says. "Sorry mate, I didn't see you". But reality is they are only trying to make themselves feel better after a monumental fuck up on their part?

Why are bikers such fuckin pussies for the most part? Waa, the cops are out to get me. Waa, the cars are trying to kill me. Harden the fuck up!

Rant over, as you were.

I ride peak times to work and back most days (even when raining). Never at night, never past 5.20pm.
Car only gets used maybe 3 or 4 times per month even through winter.
Since I've been sick, no riding to work last 3 weeks though.
I guess if I have a near miss (or hit) every 5000 kms riding that's only a few months to me.
Had a hit and run at a red light 3 months ago. My Alpinestar jacket must have invisible properties:scooter:

[vae]

The white SV6 belongs to the Highway Patrol group responsible for enforcement on SH75. Trust me when I say this, they have significantly less sympathy for bikers than I do. Our presence each weekend is in addition to what the HP is doing.

That's why I started the Op Mataki stuff on KB. I'd rather chat to KBers over donuts at the Little River coffee shops than have their pockets emptied by them being caught doing silly things.

Basically if everyone cools down a bit on SH75 there'll be less of us falling off the road, which happens every bloody summer.

By posting here I'm hoping as ,any people as possible avoid donating to the consolidated fund. I'm not going soft though (Mrs Rastus can vouch for that!) The death ray is getting a workout each weekend. I have discretion, but I'm not a soft touch.

I thought the cop cars were only the el cheapo models.
The SV6 looked great. Actually slowed down to have a closer look and nearly fell off my bike (again) when I saw who was inside. :eek5:

[rastuscat]

Actually slowed down to have a closer look and nearly fell off my bike (again) when I saw who was inside. :eek5:

Dude (ette). If a parked car can almost make you fall off, take a look in the mirror at what the problem is.

Sorry, but if it's that hazardous on the road, maybe a new mode of transport is called for. Ever considered a Hummer?

:angry:

[vae]

Dude (ette). If a parked car can almost make you fall off, take a look in the mirror at what the problem is.

Sorry, but if it's that hazardous on the road, maybe a new mode of transport is called for. Ever considered a Hummer?

:angry:

Now that's more like it.

A cop once told me that Motorcyclists deserve everything they get...

You'll be pleased to hear I didn't waste any Police time in reporting the hit and run, having looked in the mirror and all.

[Drew]

I ride peak times to work and back most days (even when raining). Never at night, never past 5.20pm.
Car only gets used maybe 3 or 4 times per month even through winter.
Since I've been sick, no riding to work last 3 weeks though.
I guess if I have a near miss (or hit) every 5000 kms riding that's only a few months to me.
Had a hit and run at a red light 3 months ago. My Alpinestar jacket must have invisible properties:scooter:

I commuted on a bike for years with no other form of transport, and except for times when I was being stupid I don't recall anyone nearly taking me out.

The one time that stands out, a woman did pull out in front of me. Shattered tib/fib in my right leg as it got sandwiched between her car and my bike, before I got thrown over the top of the car. But she admitted seeing me, but getting my speed and the gap all wrong pulled out anyway.

There are undoubtedly times I've had to hit the brakes, that statement feels right, I just can't think of when is all. The way it gets pointed out on here you'd think a nen sign comes on in the rear window of cars saying, "I'MA GET ME THIS HERE FUCKIN BIKER"!

Oh yeah, why would a shit box SV6 commonwhore (the standard model now by the way, not an upspec), be so interesting as to make you slow down and peer inside?

And, why would you not report being crashed into?

[rastuscat]

Now that's more like it.

A cop once told me that Motorcyclists deserve everything they get...

Which is why I get so many donuts.........269448

[HenryDorsetCase]

this thread is full of win.

[Madness]

Oh yeah, why would a shit box SV6 commonwhore (the standard model now by the way, not an upspec), be so interesting as to make you slow down and peer inside?

SV6 isn't the base model - that's the Omega.

[Akzle]

Oh yeah, why would a shit box SV6 commonwhore (the standard model now by the way, not an upspec), be so interesting as to make you slow down and peer inside?


O. I C. you're one of those ford fags.

not that i would.
especially if it was a UC. i spot that shit a mile away. (usually in the rear view mirror, trying to catch up :D)

[scumdog]

i spot shit a mile away usually in the rear view mirror, trying to catch a glimpse of myself

Fixed!


(How could I resist, ya set me up, didn't ya?)

[Scuba_Steve]

SV6 isn't the base model - that's the Omega.

Still begs the question of why he looked, there has only been one good looking Holden... EVER! & thats one of the Senator models. Even then it's still a piece of shit as it's a Holden.
Then given the lack of driving ability inside any Holden, looking inside a moving one just seems stupid like playing with white fire really. :crazy:

[Drew]

O. I C. you're one of those ford fags.

It's only gay if your balls touch!


Still begs the question of why he looked, there has only been one good looking Holden... EVER! & thats one of the Senator models. Even then it's still a piece of shit as it's a Holden.
Then given the lack of driving ability inside any Holden, looking inside a moving one just seems stupid like playing with white fire really. :crazy:Oh right, shit drivers are brand specific.

[merv]

Still begs the question of why he looked.:crazy:


Oi, vae is a chick isn't she not a he?

[BoristheBiter]

It's only gay if your balls touch!

Oh right, shit drivers are brand specific.

It does seem so.

I thought it was you're only gay if you ride a Honda. I wish you gays would make up your mind.

[Drew]

It does seem so.

I thought it was you're only gay if you ride a Honda. I wish you gays would make up your mind.

There's a reason for all the loop holes I reckon. So drunk dudes can cry themselves back to sleep after waking up in the crying game.

It's just a theory, prolly nothing in it.:sweatdrop

[Scuba_Steve]

Oh right, shit drivers are brand specific.

Why not? we stereotype everything else.
"Those who drive Holden, can't!" - Car enthusiast community



Oi, vae is a chick isn't she not a he?

missed that, my bad :o

[oneofsix]

Oh right, shit drivers are brand specific.

No but there was a bit of research that showed there was a brand bias, do wish I would save the links to these. Basically the posher the car the worse the driver, more self entitled, more likely to run reds, cut people off, fail to yield to pedestrians etc.
Therefore, as bike are seen by most as cheap transport, Scummy and Rustus should be targeting Mercs, BMWs, flash Fords and Holden cars and leaving us bikers alone. When was the last time hell froze over?

[Drew]

No but there was a bit of research that showed there was a brand bias, do wish I would save the links to these. Basically the posher the car the worse the driver, more self entitled, more likely to run reds, cut people off, fail to yield to pedestrians etc.
Therefore, as bike are seen by most as cheap transport, Scummy and Rustus should be targeting Mercs, BMWs, flash Fords and Holden cars and leaving us bikers alone. When was the last time hell froze over?
You're implying border line conspiracy. But there's a hole I'm afraid.

If tickets really are a revenue gathering excersize, and as you say posh cars break the law more, why wouldn't cops target them? They would at least pay the fines, unlike a huge portion of the ones dished out at the moment, (mine included, at least not at once).

[FJRider]

Scummy and Rustus should be targeting Mercs, BMWs, flash Fords and Holden cars and leaving us bikers alone. When was the last time hell froze over?

The drivers of the flash one's (some bikes included) just mutter under their breath, pay the fine and move on. (In their reg'd and WoF'd vehicles) The "other end" of the financial scale of vehicles ... hold more fun and reward. Which one of them will write the ticket that gets the first south island boyracer's car crushed ... ???

Bikers go online and whinge how badly done they've been ... how they were unfairly caught ... blah blah ... whinge ... blah ... wimper ...

Mr R came online and WARNED us all ... he was going to be there. And still there were some that were caught.

[Scuba_Steve]

Mr R came online and WARNED us all ... he was going to be there. And still there were some that were caught.

This might come as quite a shock, but there are actually bikers out there that aren't on KB :gob:... I know, crazy right!

[BoristheBiter]

This might come as quite a shock, but there are actually bikers out there that aren't on KB :gob:... I know, crazy right!

Go wash your month out for uttering such rubbish.

PD for you mister

[neels]

No but there was a bit of research that showed there was a brand bias, do wish I would save the links to these. Basically the posher the car the worse the driver, more self entitled, more likely to run reds, cut people off, fail to yield to pedestrians etc.
My cop brother was pissed off that he was stuck in traffic dropping me off at auckland airport, otherwise he would have pulled up the blonde driving a porsche that failed to give way while talking on her cellphone and not wearing a seatbelt. He reckoned that stop would have had maximum satisfaction value.

[scumdog]

My cop brother was pissed off that he was stuck in traffic dropping me off at auckland airport, otherwise he would have pulled up the blonde driving a porsche that failed to give way while talking on her cellphone and not wearing a seatbelt. He reckoned that stop would have had maximum satisfaction value.

Haha, well sometimes they run out of luck - like the numpty drongo today who was storming up and down a street going past a school.
Got complaints about his speed etc.
Arrived in th earea, saw him driving in a sub-standard manner, followed him to his drive-way (He hadn't noticed the disco lights trailing his p.o.s. Subaru for the last 1/2 km)

Got out and spoke to him:
"I need to speak to you"
Him: "Oh yeah, I expect it's about me not wearing my seatbelt"

Me (to myself) "Well that's one offence I was unaware of up until now":woohoo:

So a few ticket handed over and an 'explanation' that more tickets would follow if this sort of driving persisted.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Where were you guys today when the lowered, blacked out subaru forester pulled up beside me at the lights and the numpty was texting while driving? Should be put to death

[haydes55]

Where were you guys today when the lowered, blacked out subaru forester pulled up beside me at the lights and the numpty was texting while driving? Should be put to death

I agree! Foresters are terrible ugly cars!

[Rhys]

Haha, well sometimes they run out of luck - like the numpty drongo today who was storming up and down a street going past a school.
Got complaints about his speed etc.
Arrived in th earea, saw him driving in a sub-standard manner, followed him to his drive-way (He hadn't noticed the disco lights trailing his p.o.s. Subaru for the last 1/2 km)

Got out and spoke to him:
"I need to speak to you"
Him: "Oh yeah, I expect it's about me not wearing my seatbelt"

Me (to myself) "Well that's one offence I was unaware of up until now":woohoo:

So a few ticket handed over and an 'explanation' that more tickets would follow if this sort of driving persisted.

I am sure he will pay it to. After he pays of the previous $15,000 of fines :bash:

[Brian d marge]

this thread is full of win.

oh its going to get better , heres a little french surrender monkey,, the ones who fk off at a drop of a hat ....

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oh and it was raining to

terrible terrible

Stephen

[scumdog]

I am sure he will pay it to. After he pays of the previous $15,000 of fines :bash:

Meh, I don't care if he pays - I did find out he's scared of demerits. (as are a lot of young guys).

Aan at least the complaints about his 'driving' have dried up...

[Oakie]

Meh, I don't care if he pays - I did find out he's scared of demerits. (as are a lot of young guys)..

Demerits worry me more than money for sure ... and I'm no longer young.

[Kickaha]

Demerits worry me more than money for sure ... and I'm no longer young.

Yeah back when it was only money I didn't give a toss

[FJRider]

I am sure he will pay it to. After he pays of the previous $15,000 of fines :bash:

Only $15,000 worth ... an Auckland chap has $93,000 worth of fines ...

[Subike]

Only $15,000 worth ... an Auckland chap has $93,000 worth of fines ...

Thats pocket change to some of the chch boy racers trev

[Akzle]

Only $15,000 worth ... an Auckland chap has $93,000 worth of fines ...

yeah but hey, at least the police and justice system are effective in.....

O. :scratch:
fucken wait on.... :doh:

[Kickaha]

Only $15,000 worth ... an Auckland chap has $93,000 worth of fines ...

Which some dickless judge will end up writing off for 80 hours of community service

[scumdog]

Which some dickless judge will end up writing off for 80 hours of community service

Ah well, as long as it inconveniences the little shits a bit I'm happy:woohoo:

[FJRider]

yeah but hey, at least the police and justice system are effective in.....

O. :scratch:
fucken wait on.... :doh:

I wont mention his ancestery ... which would make it OK if I did. But if I did ... that would be racist ... so I wont.

[FJRider]

Which some dickless judge will end up writing off for 80 hours of community service

He has a few hundred hours still to do ... plus owe the $93,000 ...

[Mully Clown]

Where were you guys today when the lowered, blacked out subaru forester pulled up beside me at the lights and the numpty was texting while driving? Should be put to death

They'll be put to death if they keep up that habit. Just got to hope they don't wipe out an innocent in the process.

[Akzle]

I wont mention his ancestery ... which would make it OK if I did. But if I did ... that would be racist ... so I wont.

you seem to be under the mistaken impression that i'm black.
i'm not.

so go (t)uck yourself (in)

[Drew]

you seem to be under the mistaken impression that i'm black.
i'm not.

so go (t)uck yourself (in)

Is it 'cause I is black?

[FJRider]

you seem to be under the mistaken impression that i'm black.
i'm not.

so go (t)uck yourself (in)

You seem to be under the impression I'm not.

And pieces of shit are usually brown ...

[Oakie]

you seem to be under the mistaken impression that i'm black.

Are you green? Just a thought.

[Scuba_Steve]

Ah well, as long as it inconveniences the little shits a bit I'm happy:woohoo:

you won't be if you end up working with them.
I hear cop is now an option for community service, I saw it on that ad the cop uses his old tagging skills to graffiti pictures of his new gang on the wall :yes:

[Akzle]

You seem to be under the impression I'm not.

And pieces of shit are usually brown ...

YAFM.
srsly. you are. just. too. fuken stupid.

back to ignoring you....

[rastuscat]

269833

Lake Flies suffered badly this weekend just gone. But then, anyone who rides SH75 knows that already.

It appears to be that time of year, again.

Nothing much else excited the Popo out there, so it's been a happy weekend. There was one unreported off that we've heard of, but no details are available. As per usual, if there is no crash report, it didn't happen. Non injury, from what we hear, so all good.

See ya all next weekend, from Avon City Suzuki. It's the Blue September ride to Little River, in support of Prostate Cancer awareness. We''l be there. Blue is our colour, as it were.

Ka kite. (and donuts).

[FJRider]

There was one unreported off that we've heard of, but no details are available. As per usual, if there is no crash report, it didn't happen. Non injury, from what we hear, so all good.



Ka kite. (and donuts).

One motorcycle crash that won't appear in the statistics you mean ... ????

And no investigations/interviews you have to do ... more time for donuts ...

[rastuscat]

One motorcycle crash that won't appear in the statistics you mean ... ????

And no investigations/interviews you have to do ... more time for donuts ...

Yup.

It made me think, actually. Now, that's a first :yes:

How may offs happen that we don't know about?

It's interesting to compare our crash stats (attended crashes) against the figures from insurance companies. We tend to get more detail, coz we actually attend. But we hear about, my guess, maybe 50 - 60% of the single vehicle crashes that happen.

I also wonder how may happen because of bad engineering. We don't hear about it, so there's no report. No report means the roading authority doesn't perceive the problem, so nothing changes.

I can understand someone coming off and not reporting it though. Why would ya, when you'd probably get charged with Careless?

Funny old, self conflicting world.

[scumdog]

Yup.

It made me think, actually. Now, that's a first :yes:

How may offs happen that we don't know about?

.

Quite a few down here.

No Ambo? = No crash!

[FJRider]

Yup.

It made me think, actually. Now, that's a first :yes:

my work here is done ... <_<


How may offs happen that we don't know about?

It's interesting to compare our crash stats (attended crashes) against the figures from insurance companies. We tend to get more detail, coz we actually attend. But we hear about, my guess, maybe 50 - 60% of the single vehicle crashes that happen.

I also wonder how may happen because of bad engineering. We don't hear about it, so there's no report. No report means the roading authority doesn't perceive the problem, so nothing changes.

I can understand someone coming off and not reporting it though. Why would ya, when you'd probably get charged with Careless?

Funny old, self conflicting world.

If people know the "rules" were broken to end in a crash ... of course they won't report it. Insurance company's won't worry about broken laws (unless the "other" party is at fault) if it's covered in their policies ...

I once had a "Single vehicle accident" near Winton. Nobody saw what happened. No obvious signs other vehicles were involved (I had no memory of the accident) no charges were laid.
Although the cop DID mention ... if I was riding a honda ... I would have got a "Depositing dangerous litter" charge. :facepalm:

[merv]

Isn't it the injury accidents that are definitely reportable? ... but then how bad an injury? .... scratch or serious harm as defined by HSE Act?

Most people that dropped a bike, unless they hit someone else, I am sure are unlikely to report it. If someone else finds said biker injured then they might report it.

[FJRider]

Isn't it the injury accidents that are definitely reportable? ... but then how bad an injury? .... scratch or serious harm as defined by HSE Act?

Most people that dropped a bike, unless they hit someone else, I am sure are unlikely to report it. If someone else finds said biker injured then they might report it.

From my aged memory ... injury accidents must be reported within 24 hours. Injury was explained to me once ... as "requiring medical attention". Band-aids qualify as medical attention ...

Apparently ...


Oh and non-injury accidents ... within 7 days. (from memory)

[neels]

From my aged memory ... injury accidents must be reported within 24 hours. Injury was explained to me once ... as "requiring medical attention". Band-aids qualify as medical attention ...

Apparently ...


Oh and non-injury accidents ... within 7 days. (from memory)
I think alzheimer's is setting in......

From the police website (http://www.police.govt.nz/faq/items/23176)

After a non-injury crash, you should swap names and addresses with other motorists involved. If the crash involved another person's property, such as a fence, you should report it to the owner of the property within 48 hours of the crash or where the owner cannot be located, to police within 60 hours of the crash. All crashes resulting in injury (such as broken bones or a night in hospital) should be reported to local police as soon as is practicable and no later than 24 hours from the time of the crash

[Drew]

I can understand someone coming off and not reporting it though. Why would ya, when you'd probably get charged with Careless?

Funny old, self conflicting world.Why would you guys need to be told that someone dropped their bike and got a little bit hurt but was OK to get home and to a doctor? If it's a single vehicle incident, not resulting in public damage, there is no point in you guys time being wasted.

I don't even put "motorcycle accident" on the ACC form if I go to the doctor. Those cunts lump every bike crash onto our stats, weather it's road or recreation.

[BoristheBiter]

you seem to be under the mistaken impression that i'm black.
i'm not.

so go (t)uck yourself (in)

never thought the day would come when akzle would bend over to "the man".

Whats the matter, too many infractons?:rofl:

[rastuscat]

Why would you guys need to be told that someone dropped their bike and got a little bit hurt but was OK to get home and to a doctor? If it's a single vehicle incident, not resulting in public damage, there is no point n.

Road works to improve unsafe roads are prioritized by roading authorities based to a large extent on crash reports. If a crash happens at a bend unsafe due to bad camber but isn't reported, it doesn't get counted.

If a dozen bikers come off at different times on the same bend but none get reported, the bend will stay exactly the same.

Its a problem with the system. Unreported crashes dont officially exist.

On the other hand, like I said above, I see why they dont get reported. No legal obligation to report in most cases, and bad stuff might happen.

Shame really.

[BoristheBiter]

Road works to improve unsafe roads are prioritized by roading authorities based to a large extent on crash reports. If a crash happens at a bend unsafe due to bad camber but isn't reported, it doesn't get counted.

If a dozen bikers come off at different times on the same bend but none get reported, the bend will stay exactly the same.

Its a problem with the system. Unreported crashes dont officially exist.

On the other hand, like I said above, I see why they dont get reported. No legal obligation to report in most cases, and bad stuff might happen.

Shame really.

I always thought you had to report an non-injury accident within 48hrs.
You learn something everyday.

[SPman]

Yup.

I can understand someone coming off and not reporting it though. Why would ya, when you'd probably get charged with Careless?

Perhaps we should take a leaf out of aviation's book and have a "no blame" stance on investigating accidents - particularly non or minor injury accidents...or should that be "investigating accidents without a view to prosecuting the fuck out of everybody", which seems to have become the norm these days.
Perhaps, then, people would not be so ...."shy" about reporting same.

[Akzle]

Perhaps we should take a leaf out of aviation's book and have a "no blame" stance on investigating accidents - particularly non or minor injury accidents...or should that be "investigating accidents without a view to prosecuting the fuck out of everybody", which seems to have become the norm these days.
Perhaps, then, people would not be so ...."shy" about reporting same.

:Oi::Oi:logic: GTFO.

[oneofsix]

Perhaps we should take a leaf out of aviation's book and have a "no blame" stance on investigating accidents - particularly non or minor injury accidents...or should that be "investigating accidents without a view to prosecuting the fuck out of everybody", which seems to have become the norm these days.
Perhaps, then, people would not be so ...."shy" about reporting same.

:shit: :nono: it is about making money without improving road safety not the other way round. Think speed cameras, is it really that dangerous to do 10-20k over the limit on straight road (the only place the cameras will work) compared to that second or twos lack of attention to the road to look at the speedo? You could loose much more than that 20k in the time it took you to look at the speedo and readjust to the situation when you look up. No fault of their own but due to the circumstances they find themselves in the police are conditioned to find human, chargeable, fault. Aviation didn't start to improve until they opened their eyes late last century, ditched the blame game and truly investigate and now aim to correct rather than persecute.

[Subike]

Fuck Im in the shit then,
Failed to report my bike lying down in the middle of the road on sunday.
Injury? um yeah One foot peg, one indicator stalk, one scratched brake lever end...
Reason for accident? Oh the wind!. Blew it over ....but it was on the road!
Personal injury, yup, ripped my jeans picking it up and cut my knee. Band aid needed.
According to post above, I should reported this eh.
Anyways, see you fellas on Sunday for the ride to Little River.
I promise to ask my bike not to fall over in the wind again. OK?


Oh, must add, this is a piss take

[oneofsix]

Fuck Im in the shit then,
Failed to report my bike lying down in the middle of the road on sunday.
Injury? um yeah One foot peg, one indicator stalk, one scratched brake lever end...
Reason for accident? Oh the wind!. Blew it over ....but it was on the road!
Personal injury, yup, ripped my jeans picking it up and cut my knee. Band aid needed.
According to post above, I should reported this eh.
Anyways, see you fellas on Sunday for the ride to Little River.
I promise to ask my bike not to fall over in the wind again. OK?

Hope you claimed your share of the ACC levy :banana:

[Berries]

Unreported crashes dont officially exist.
I once got asked if I could provide an analysis of unreported crashes. I wasn't sure where to start.

[Oakie]

I once got asked if I could provide an analysis of unreported crashes. I wasn't sure where to start.

Well ACC were able to say that 600cc plus bikes were more dangerous than smaller bikes even though the CC rating of bikes involved in accidents is not reported on the ACC accident report form so perhaps you need to go and study their methods for collecting unreported information.

[Berries]

No need, I carried out that research :eek:


Joke.

[Oakie]

No need, I carried out that research :eek:


Joke.

Wow. Had me going there for a second!

[Berries]

Come on, I used the term research. That should have been a give away.

[Oakie]

Come on, I used the term research. That should have been a give away.

Ah, true. I must be tired.

[AllanB]

If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to see it, does it make a sound?

If you fall off your motorcycle and don't report it does anyone ever know?

[Akzle]

If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to see it, does it make a sound?

If you fall off your motorcycle and don't report it does anyone ever know?

if a man talks in the forest, and no woman hears him, is he still wrong?

[FJRider]

As per usual KB policy ... pic's or it didn't happen ... <_<

[Angry_Chimp]

if a man talks in the forest, and no woman hears him, is he still wrong?

. . . . . . . . . . . Yes!

[ellipsis]

...soft fucks make the rules...soft fucks want rules to protect them...some of us put our balls in a wheelbarrow and go to work...blood and guts are part of a day on the planet...a rides a ride...a race is a race...if you fuck up you fuck up...if you are stupid or unaware enough to have put yourself in a dire situation, thats life on the planet...try kayaking on grade fives alone 60 days of the year, bet you dont make the news when you fuck up...here today, gone tomorrow...no reason to ride like a wank unless you want to be one...if you cant do it...dont...

[Berries]

Have one for me while you are at it.

[rastuscat]

...soft fucks make the rules...soft fucks want rules to protect them...some of us put our balls in a wheelbarrow and go to work...blood and guts are part of a day on the planet...a rides a ride...a race is a race...if you fuck up you fuck up...if you are stupid or unaware enough to have put yourself in a dire situation, thats life on the planet...try kayaking on grade fives alone 60 days of the year, bet you dont make the news when you fuck up...here today, gone tomorrow...no reason to ride like a wank unless you want to be one...if you cant do it...dont...

Having a bad day, are we?

[ellipsis]

Having a bad day, are we?

...no Pete...just having an Akzle type moment...carry on...

[Akzle]

you know you're winning when: like "google", your name is used as an adjective and/or a verb...
:D:D:D

[FJRider]

you know you're winning when: like "google", your name is used as an adjective and/or a verb...
:D:D:D

An Akzle moment is when ... you're at the stage when you feel like you've been smoking dope all day and everybody believes everything you've said is total bullshit.

and you think that's ... winning ... ??? :facepalm:

[Drew]

An Akzle moment is when ... you're at the stage when you feel like you've been smoking dope all day and everybody believes everything you've said is total bullshit.

and you think that's ... winning ... ??? :facepalm:That's very funny.

Unfortunately, to the lamen like myself, Akzle seems to win most arguments simply by actually answering questions and seeming to be informed with those answers.

[FJRider]

That's very funny.

Unfortunately, to the lamen like myself, Akzle seems to win most arguments simply by actually answering questions and seeming to be informed with those answers.

I just find it easier to believe everything he says is total bullshit. (98.99999999 % of the time it is [and the rest is dodgy too])

Perhaps those that informed him ... were smoking dope too ...

[Drew]

Perhaps those that informed him ... were smoking dope too ...All we get from what you're typing, is an extreem prejudice toward anyone who smokes dope.

Thought you were a tad more open minded than that. I don't smoke dope, but you talk to me and I've sure as fuck killed more brain cells doing dumber stuff than drugs.

[Madness]

Thought you were a tad more open minded than that.

What the fuck gave you that impression? :killingme

[Drew]

What the fuck gave you that impression? :killingmeWhat are you, a cop? Stop asking questions!

[Akzle]

i enjoy verbing the adjective noun.:banana:

[Oakie]

you know you're winning when: like "google", your name is used as an adjective and/or a verb... :D:D:D

Could make an interesting thread. "What would some KB handles mean if used as an adjective or verb?"

[Akzle]

Could make an interesting thread. "What would some KB handles mean if used as an adjective or verb?"

i Akzled that for ya: :D

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/152924-What-would-some-KB-handles-mean-if-used-as-an-adjective-or-verb?p=1130396915#post1130396915

[dangerous]

so back to SH75 and this weekend, most of you guys watching are locals, are ya's awear there is a ride to little River from AvonCity Suzuki on Sunday? its a fund raiser for Prostate Cancer so why not join in, sorry but ya going to have to follow my sorry arse there (bloody kids permiting) and RC will be on duty as we leave...
RC will you be joining the ride, do we expect a check point or laser?

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/152406-FBMC-16-September-Blue-September-run

[rastuscat]

so back to SH75 and this weekend, most of you guys watching are locals, are ya's awear there is a ride to little River from AvonCity Suzuki on Sunday? its a fund raiser for Prostate Cancer so why not join in, sorry but ya going to have to follow my sorry arse there (bloody kids permiting) and RC will be on duty as we leave...
RC will you be joining the ride, do we expect a check point or laser?

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/152406-FBMC-16-September-Blue-September-run

I'll be there :) We're gonna stop traffic on the Sockburn roundabout so the group can get out all at once.

We'll be riding along too, coz we're as much at risk of .......um.......that nasty bloody miserable disease anyone.

Also, the organizer has promised us a donut stall will be at Little River. :Police::Police:

No laser Sunday. Now, Saturday, that's a different story..........

[rastuscat]

The Popo on duty spent a few hours on SH75 on Saturday, operated a death ray, but caught nothing.

Bloody good result, I say. Nil revenue collected, but lots of people saw him so the deterrent has spread. Great bang for the buck.

Sunday we rode with the FBMC Blue September Ride, helped raised some dosh for a good cause, shot the breeze lots and generally had a good time. Work? Yes it was, but great for forming better relations with the biker mob.

I'm the Popo on duty next weekend, see yaz all out there.

Donuts.

[BoristheBiter]

you know you're winning when: like "google", your name is used as an adjective and/or a verb...
:D:D:D



i Akzled that for ya: :D

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/152924-What-would-some-KB-handles-mean-if-used-as-an-adjective-or-verb?p=1130396915#post1130396915

What a loser.
First you google your own name, then write about it, then have have thread sent straight to PD.

Come on mods time to send this oxygen thief back to whence it came.

[Madness]

First you google your own name, then write about it, then have have thread sent straight to PD.

You do know that you can actually start threads in PD eh?

[BoristheBiter]

You do know that you can actually start threads in PD eh?

Then he's even dumber than I thought.

[neels]

The Popo on duty spent a few hours on SH75 on Saturday, operated a death ray, but caught nothing.

Bloody good result, I say. Nil revenue collected, but lots of people saw him so the deterrent has spread. Great bang for the buck.

Sunday we rode with the FBMC Blue September Ride, helped raised some dosh for a good cause, shot the breeze lots and generally had a good time. Work? Yes it was, but great for forming better relations with the biker mob.

I'm the Popo on duty next weekend, see yaz all out there.

Donuts.

So was it you and your mate that were my police escort through the clouds over the hilltop and cleared the slow traffic between little river and the blue duck?

[Brian d marge]

You could spend more of your time pinging , trains speeding through Dunsandal

Work with me here folks , but how on earth can you hit a train on frazers rd ???

obviously the train was speeding

Stephen

[HenryDorsetCase]

You could spend more of your time pinging , trains speeding through Dunsandal

Work with me here folks , but how on earth can you hit a train on frazers rd ???

obviously the train was speeding

Stephen

A mate of mine is a train driver. Bet your ass he was not speeding. If you think the penalties for speeding on a bike are draconian, try losing your livelihood for getting pinged. And if you have any sort of incident. Anything at all, the first thing they do is piss test you.

The amount of people who dont see trains is staggering. sometimes they die.

[jellywrestler]

The amount of people who dont see trains is staggering. sometimes they die. Bring it on I say, if they can't see a 200 tonne hunk of metal that doesn't vary off where it should by even one fucking centimetre then how the hell are they going to see me on my bike? It's not like there's no warning signs and strange stripes on the road where they will be is it?
let em all get squashed, I think it's reffered to as the Darwin Theory.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Bring it on I say, if they can't see a 200 tonne hunk of metal that doesn't vary off where it should by even one fucking centimetre then how the hell are they going to see me on my bike? It's not like there's no warning signs and strange stripes on the road where they will be is it?
let em all get squashed, I think it's reffered to as the Darwin Theory.

Not disagreeing with you by any means. My point was that train drivers are very aware of what they're doing and where they're going. apparently it is quite stressful if they do hit someone all the same. Hasnt happened to my mate but it has to people he knows. Having to hose someone out of a squashed car is not how they'd choose to spend the morning. Plus there is a mountain of paperwork too (someone callous might say that would be the worst part)

[Oakie]

Then he's even dumber than I thought.

Or perhaps he just doesn't take himself too seriously...

[dangerous]

The Popo on duty spent a few hours on SH75 on Saturday, operated a death ray, but caught nothing.

Bloody good result, I say. Nil revenue collected, but lots of people saw him so the deterrent has spread. Great bang for the buck.

Sunday we rode with the FBMC Blue September Ride, helped raised some dosh for a good cause, shot the breeze lots and generally had a good time. Work? Yes it was, but great for forming better relations with the biker mob.

I'm the Popo on duty next weekend, see yaz all out there.

Donuts.*warning, poster under the inflewence of Keller 9% beer*

well ya not very good then, you followed me leading the mob and I bust many a law in that hour... but hey thats not what it was about... I conmend your outlook here on KB as a copper, that aint easy at all aye, ya got balls and my resepct :2thumbsup
Thing is I lisened to your speach re: cos you give a shit about 75 and bikers etc and I dont doubt that for a second, but were is the problem on 75? yes as you said in the weekends best place to wipe out... but zoom in here, your figgers are they between TT and LR, or cooptown and Acker's are they bikes wipeing out on there own or are others involved?
You said you are doing op Mataki cos you give a shit, I dont doubt that for a minute, but Im betting the complaints from locals have a lot to do with it to. So often I have seen cage drivers doing dumb shit on 75 from sitting at 65kph to dogey passing, seen bikers do pleanty of arse wipe moves to... thing is its the minorty fucking it up for the majority... aye?

Now my other gripe is the ami, iam, mai who ever it is you promoted at LR, yes ya have to start somewere and they are a good starting point as is the book from pngo land they base there theroy on.
BU... shit fat fingers add a T to that (hey I warned ya I was on 9% beer, hey sprog and missus less) BUT and I have to say I should read that shit before spouting off... BUT defensive riding and good lines is only part of it, the other part is body position that puts the rider and bike in a safe place.

Lets go back to the fund raiser ride, I had a VTR 1000 following me yes Im a critacal bastard but altho he was keeping a similer pase as me I seen him cross the fog and center line, IMO rider training can be done beter and safer, ok most would not agree with me as I combine racing lines and positions with road lines etc, works for me and not all, pitty it costs so much in this country of ours to do shit right.. ahh well... what was my point again? :wacko:

[cruza]

Fark Dangerous . i thought it was only tuesday nites ya mrs and the kids , deserted ya for the evening. Don't set fire to that lovely new kitchen with ya fry up:motu:

[dangerous]

Fark Dangerous . i thought it was only tuesday nites ya mrs and the kids , deserted ya for the evening. Don't set fire to that lovely new kitchen with ya fry up:motu:Monday night man... none of that kitchen shit, that means dishs etc, na draged the BBQ into the garage and stunk it out, me the bikes and dogs and Bob Seger, Roll me away... :motu:

[rastuscat]

Monday night man... none of that kitchen shit, that means dishs etc, na draged the BBQ into the garage and stunk it out, me the bikes and dogs and Bob Seger, Roll me away... :motu:

Predictably for a Cherman motor man, I'm 4 Heinekens down, and primed to hammer KB for a while.

Have I upset you, Dangerous? I thought I did that with the cheap shot at your Cuzzy yesterday. Never mind.

I started Op Mataki coz the Popo boss man reorganised the traffic group in Chur Chur, and left me with just me and 3 full time bikers as a motorcycle Popo section. I thought (an achievement on its own) that gave me a licence to actually focus on what it causing the bikers grief.

Mon to Fri, the bikers crashes are typically caused by failing to give way while turning. Hic. :drinkup: Sometimes its the riders fault, but most often it's the cages fault. Sat and Sun the crashes tend to happen on SH75, sometimes between TT and LR, sometimes further on. Almost always though, it's the riders fault, failing to take a bend.

So, coz I thought (YEAH BABY) :woohoo: I decided to actually do something. Where could we do the most good, prevent the most crashes yada yada yada. If it was about revenue gathering, I'd be at the the stop signs in Chur Chur, ka ching, $150 per time, coz no b'sterd ever stops at stop signs. No, I have tasked my troops to head out where the grass is greener, and where our presence might actually make a difference at weekends.

So we nudge the cagers, nudge the bikers, nudge anyone who crosses the metaphorical line on SH75, hoping that by doing so, we'll cause more folks to go home to their wives, partners, boyfriends, instead of having a date with, at best, a tow truck, to bring their munted steed back to the bog smoke.

Sorry top have upset the apple cart a little. As stated before, I still believe it's easy to have a great ride out to Akkers without treating it like Monza.

[scumdog]

Monday night man... none of that kitchen shit, that means dishs etc, na draged the BBQ into the garage and stunk it out, me the bikes and dogs and Bob Seger, Roll me away... :motu:

Piss-head prat!

And what about 'Making Thunderbirds'? "They were long and low etc..."

Old Crow & coke here - aftera 11hrs day with too many hours too close to too many slack-jawed mouthbreathing dunderheads standing in the dock...

[rastuscat]

So was it you and your mate that were my police escort through the clouds over the hilltop and cleared the slow traffic between little river and the blue duck?

Yup, dat was us.

Here's my read on it.

We pulled out onto the road just ahead of you, then felt bad about holding you up. It's quite a sad position to be in. We ride at our about the limit, so people feel like they can't overtake us, and we feel like we are holding people up. Obviously we have helmet comms, and we talked about it, and elected to set you free. Then when you got ahead of us, we just tagged on. Impressed with your riding, we just followed your lines, and commented to each other about how comfortable you looked on the damp road. So were we. You were riding the lines we would be, and braking where we would be. I almost wanted to stop you to commend your riding, but then the slow traffic slowed us all down.

The Estima was doing, tops, 75 to 80, where he should have been doing more. The 3 cars ahead of usw were obviously fruistrated,m and that's where bad overtaking comes from. As soon as I got a place to overtake and pull the Estima over. I did so, letting the other cars and yourself get past.

Two your Cherman lads on their OIE, just enjoying the scenery.

It's nice to ride behind a competent rider.

Hoo ra for now, see ya out there this weekend.

[dangerous]

Have I upset you, Dangerous? I thought I did that with the cheap shot at your Cuzzy yesterday.

Sorry top have upset the apple cart a little. shit no P, no and no... I like ya style and yes I as you are am amazed at the bosses alowing you to do what you are.. I aployd.


sometimes between TT and LR, sometimes further on. Almost always though, it's the riders fault, failing to take a bend.BINGO... and how the fuck do they manage it?
IMHO incorect line and or riding position... to many riders let the bike be the boss, NO the rider is the boss you tell it what to do.


so, we'll cause more folks to go home to their wives, partners, boyfriends, instead of having a date with, at best, a tow truck, to bring their munted steed back to the bog smoke.hey, over the last few years I have done more than that, funerals... over them, so anything anything at all is a start



So, coz I thought (YEAH BABY) :woohoo: I decided to actually do something. Where could we do the most good, prevent the most crashes yada yada yada. If it was about revenue gathering, I'd be at the the stop signs in Chur Chur, ka ching, $150 per time, coz no b'sterd ever stops at stop signs. No, I have tasked my troops to head out where the grass is greener, and where our presence might actually make a difference at weekends.granted, hey look Ive been on patrol with scumdog we have radared speeding but as he said in this case the driver is doing all safely no other trafic or people about nout serious so let it slide, but if he sees a concern he will pull and perhaps issue for a faulty tail light...

[dangerous]

PS: another thing I find hard to beat is the riders who wont ride in the center of the lane cos back in the old days (pre 90's) brit cars ment the center of the lane was dirty and oiley... NOT these days quite the oppsite actually, the dirtyer part of the road is were the tyre tracks of cages is, the same place we were told to ride on...

[Subike]

PS: another thing I find hard to beat is the riders who wont ride in the center of the lane cos back in the old days (pre 90's) brit cars ment the center of the lane was dirty and oiley... NOT these days quite the oppsite actually, the dirtyer part of the road is were the tyre tracks of cages is, the same place we were told to ride on...

and its quite often the line around a corner with the most grip. But do remember the days of pulling up at lights and stop signs, next to the oil slick that was on every intersection, dropped by the pommy cars sitting there idling and pissing their blood onto the road.

The tyre tracks nor are the smoother part of the road due to the weight of trucks compressing the surface, can get slippery when damp.

[dangerous]

well its like those that rave about the lack of chicken stripe... to me it shows a bad riding style, there should always be a chicken strip cos thats ya last resort, use the body to corner not the bike, if it turns to shit around the corner at least you know you have something left...

[scumdog]

well its like those that rave about the lack of chicken stripe... to me it shows a bad riding style, there should always be a chicken strip cos thats ya last resort, use the body to corner not the bike, if it turns to shit around the corner at least you know you have something left...

You're not really that pissed after all eh!

[Drew]

Where do I sign up for the group hug you fags are obviously setting up for?
PS: another thing I find hard to beat is the riders who wont ride in the center of the lane cos back in the old days (pre 90's) brit cars ment the center of the lane was dirty and oiley... NOT these days quite the oppsite actually, the dirtyer part of the road is were the tyre tracks of cages is, the same place we were told to ride on...Look at an aerial view of our roads, the cnter part of the lanes is still covered in oil. When it rains, that part gets very slippery indeed.

I ride in the right hand wheel track, it offers the maximum escape routes from most siruations.


well its like those that rave about the lack of chicken stripe... to me it shows a bad riding style, there should always be a chicken strip cos thats ya last resort, use the body to corner not the bike, if it turns to shit around the corner at least you know you have something left...Why should a tyre have an unused section? It'll wear funny, and when the rider who thinks they have a safety buffer tries to use it, "GET OFF".

Still love ya though bro.

[dangerous]

Where do I sign up for the group hug you fags are obviously setting up for?only a gay man would hug you white boy...


Look at an aerial view of our roads, the cnter part of the lanes is still covered in oil. When it rains, that part gets very slippery indeed.

I ride in the right hand wheel track, it offers the maximum escape routes from most siruations.hey look every were you go in NZ the roads are different, worn different, made different etc... I mainly refer to south Is east coast roads were I asure you the center of the road is virgin material... kinda like you;)

I dont stick to the center all the time my comment was based on an average and when I teach/train/fuk give my 2c worth I tell riders to think they are on rails, not about speed but smoothness, if it fails there is room to the left and right.



Why should a tyre have an unused section? It'll wear funny, and when the rider who thinks they have a safety buffer tries to use it, "GET OFF".Yes for you fair nuff, for the track same... but with what I see as a general inexperanced riders with no chicken strip... well there next stop is there arse...
I know what its like to role off the edge and slide around the corner (even on the guzzi) taken 30yrs to learn it and then its proberly more good luck than skill, not someting for the average rider.

What allways gets me is like I noticed on the fund raiser ride on 75 last w/e is so many riders take bad lines cos they dont use their body right (IMHO) this is why so many get in the shit and crash... the hole reason for this thread. again IMHO.

[BoristheBiter]

Or perhaps he just doesn't take himself too seriously...

But serious enough to Google himself to see what them on the interweb's think of him.

[Drew]

But serious enough to Google himself to see what them on the interweb's think of him.That's not what I read from his comments.

He was giving shit about having his name used on here as an adjective, and giving an example knowing full well that most fucktards on here wouldn't have a clue what an adjective is.

I could be wrong though, I have a history of missing the point when it's right in front of me.

[BoristheBiter]

That's not what I read from his comments.

He was giving shit about having his name used on here as an adjective, and giving an example knowing full well that most fucktards on here wouldn't have a clue what an adjective is.

I could be wrong though, I have a history of missing the point when it's right in front of me.

You might be right but i have put him in the same category as the like's DB and others that have come, and gone, before so read little into what he posts.

They are trolls that say anything to get a reaction and are not best fed, and yes I have been known to feed a troll on occasion.

[Jantar]

Road works to improve unsafe roads are prioritized by roading authorities based to a large extent on crash reports. If a crash happens at a bend unsafe due to bad camber but isn't reported, it doesn't get counted.

If a dozen bikers come off at different times on the same bend but none get reported, the bend will stay exactly the same.

Its a problem with the system. Unreported crashes dont officially exist.

On the other hand, like I said above, I see why they dont get reported. No legal obligation to report in most cases, and bad stuff might happen.

Shame really.

Maybe road users need a system live the aviation industry uses. All incidents and aviation law breaches are reported, but self reported incidents NEVER result in prosecution of the pilot if the pilot learnt something from the incident. The incidents are made available (without names) for other pilots tp learn from as well. The result is far fewer incidents occuring and aviation becomes safer for everyone.

When there is a philosophy that every incident or breach must result in a penalty then they will not be reported if not absolutely neccessary.

[Jantar]

Perhaps we should take a leaf out of aviation's book and have a "no blame" stance on investigating accidents - particularly non or minor injury accidents...or should that be "investigating accidents without a view to prosecuting the fuck out of everybody", which seems to have become the norm these days.
Perhaps, then, people would not be so ...."shy" about reporting same.

Maybe i should have read the rest of the thread before making my previous post. :o

[scumdog]

When there is a philosophy that every incident or breach must result in a penalty then they will not be reported if not absolutely neccessary.


Not always a penalty from me - but I encourage reporting so roads can be changed, had a couple of wins around here with re-alignment, road-resurfacing, street blocked off etc. due to crashes being reported at these locations.:yes:

[HenryDorsetCase]

Not always a penalty from me - but I encourage reporting so roads can be changed, had a couple of wins around here with re-alignment, road-resurfacing, street blocked off etc. due to crashes being reported at these locations.:yes:

I had a very interesting discussion with a very senior pleecemin* recently, about stats for where shit happens and "black spots". People do take that shit seriously. By people I mean the people who design roads and intersections and decide what sort of controls should be in place.

*and a scholar and gentleman

[Ocean1]

Perhaps we should take a leaf out of aviation's book and have a "no blame" stance on investigating accidents - particularly non or minor injury accidents...or should that be "investigating accidents without a view to prosecuting the fuck out of everybody", which seems to have become the norm these days.
Perhaps, then, people would not be so ...."shy" about reporting same.


Maybe road users need a system live the aviation industry uses. All incidents and aviation law breaches are reported, but self reported incidents NEVER result in prosecution of the pilot if the pilot learnt something from the incident. The incidents are made available (without names) for other pilots tp learn from as well. The result is far fewer incidents occuring and aviation becomes safer for everyone.

When there is a philosophy that every incident or breach must result in a penalty then they will not be reported if not absolutely neccessary.


Maybe i should have read the rest of the thread before making my previous post. :o

Heh. A wee story for those who have ever wandered what it costs to blame someone.

There was a US farmer who owned a Piper... Cub (iirc), which he stored in a barn over winter. One winter the barn was half full of hay and there wasn't room, so he unbolted the wings and tied them to the ceiling joists.

Come springtime he rolled out the airframe and got the wings down, but couldn't find the bolts. They were specials, just the correct length to match the captive nuts in the wings. Being an enterprising chap he went down the the local hardware shop and bought some new ones, bolted the aircraft back together and took off. Briefly.

Long story short: Piper were found guilty of having manufactured an aircraft in which it was possible to fit sub-standard fasteners.

The Piper Aircraft company's last Cub rolled off the production line a couple of years later with a price tag composed of 55% liability contingency. The cost of the blame game.

[Milts]

Heh. A wee story for those who have ever wandered what it costs to blame someone.

There was a US farmer who owned a Piper... Cub (iirc), which he stored in a barn over winter. One winter the barn was half full of hay and there wasn't room, so he unbolted the wings and tied them to the ceiling joists.

Come springtime he rolled out the airframe and got the wings down, but couldn't find the bolts. They were specials, just the correct length to match the captive nuts in the wings. Being an enterprising chap he went down the the local hardware shop and bought some new ones, bolted the aircraft back together and took off. Briefly.

Long story short: Piper were found guilty of having manufactured an aircraft in which it was possible to fit sub-standard fasteners.

The Piper Aircraft company's last Cub rolled off the production line a couple of years later with a price tag composed of 55% liability contingency. The cost of the blame game.

Any idea which year or state? Pretty sure this is bullshit. I couldn't find anything with a range of google searches or in Wikipedia.

I've also run a few searches in the NTSB aviation accident database, which records all accidents and selected incidents in the USA, it's territories, and international waters. I couldn't find single engine or Piper crash which resembled that described above.

Unless you mean this case, in which Piper were found not guilty, and which has similarities to the above story but is clearly different: http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1310&dat=19790208&id=rfJVAAAAIBAJ&sjid=_uEDAAAAIBAJ&pg=4082,2255649

Calling bullshit on this one.

[dangerous]

bla bla... LOL back to sorting 75, nothing wrong with the road, so must be the user, whats the percentage re: lone biker and biker Vs cage?
and what we gona do bout it? Rustas is doing his best...

[Oakie]

bla bla... LOL back to sorting 75, nothing wrong with the road, so must be the user, whats the percentage re: lone biker and biker Vs cage?
and what we gona do bout it? Rustas is doing his best...

Well I probably haven't done that road on the bike more than three times in the last four years and it's not because the road scares me ... it's great. What puts me off is the other road users (directionally challenged drivers and speed freak bikers). Dammit though ... I want to head back to Little River for more of the ginger slice they sell at the shop there.

[Drew]

What puts me off is the other road users (directionally challenged drivers and speed freak bikers).Why don't those of us who like to travel a bit faster go to the track, at whatever exact moment we get the urge to ride aye?!

[Motobutch]

Any idea which year or state? Pretty sure this is bullshit. I couldn't find anything with a range of google searches or in Wikipedia.

I've also run a few searches in the NTSB aviation accident database, which records all accidents and selected incidents in the USA, it's territories, and international waters. I couldn't find single engine or Piper crash which resembled that described above.

Unless you mean this case, in which Piper were found not guilty, and which has similarities to the above story but is clearly different: http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1310&dat=19790208&id=rfJVAAAAIBAJ&sjid=_uEDAAAAIBAJ&pg=4082,2255649

Calling bullshit on this one.

I heard a similar story regarding Cessna and the number of fuel tank drains on the new 172's. Apparently someone parked a 172 on a slope overnight in a rainstorm, and because of the slope the water that leaked into the fuel tank pooled in the corners away from the drains. The dude had an engine failure airborne and sued them over it and won. Now there's 5 sump drains per wing. Litigation - 1. Common sense - 0

[Ocean1]

Any idea which year or state? Pretty sure this is bullshit. I couldn't find anything with a range of google searches or in Wikipedia.

That's all I've got, mate, and that just verbally, but from an industry source I trust.

[FJRider]

Not always a penalty from me - but I encourage reporting so roads can be changed, had a couple of wins around here with re-alignment, road-resurfacing, street blocked off etc. due to crashes being reported at these locations.:yes:

Around here ... the powers that be just slap a lower speed limit on it ... and shout (loudly) ... fixed ... !!!

[HenryDorsetCase]

Well I probably haven't done that road on the bike more than three times in the last four years and it's not because the road scares me ... it's great. What puts me off is the other road users (directionally challenged drivers and speed freak bikers). Dammit though ... I want to head back to Little River for more of the ginger slice they sell at the shop there.

Just stay away from it between Saturday 10am and say 5pm and Sunday same times. If I am going all the way (oooh err) I try and leave early. But my 8.30am gym thing on saturday kind of fucks that up.

or weekday afternoons though you have to be a bit careful: few more trucks about. But we're all careful on that road all the time, right? :sunny:

[HenryDorsetCase]

Why don't those of us who like to travel a bit faster go to the track, at whatever exact moment we get the urge to ride aye?!

with the right mental attitude, every road's a racetrack, son.


:)

[HenryDorsetCase]

Well I probably haven't done that road on the bike more than three times in the last four years and it's not because the road scares me ... it's great. What puts me off is the other road users (directionally challenged drivers and speed freak bikers). Dammit though ... I want to head back to Little River for more of the ginger slice they sell at the shop there.

The coffee's good, and they have these little truffle things that are good. also the scones. mmmm scones. cheeeeeese scones.

[ellipsis]

...if you can afford the truffles at the LR shop, ya got too much expendable income...what the fucks a truffle anyway, dont you need a pig to snort round in the ground for those things...there are no truffle snufflers on SH75...they all got bowled ...

[Brian d marge]

I remember when it WAS a general store......

steak and cheese or mince......

stephen

[rastuscat]

The sausage rolls in the last cafe on the left are the best I've had in years. I will be having one on Saturday, and maybe Sunday too.

Hoping for nice weather, which will bring out more bikers, and thus, more donut vouchers.

[rastuscat]

When there is a philosophy that every incident or breach must result in a penalty then they will not be reported if not absolutely neccessary.

Had an interesting discussion with one of our crash analysts this morning.

I read your post about no blame investigations a couple of days back, and it ties in with what I have pondered over the years. It sound ideal, like a good way to get good crash data.

Trouble is the reality of the situation. If I'm following a cage down the road and the cage turns right across the path of an oncoming motorcycle, near miss, classic SMIDSY, narrowly avoids killing the rider, I'd use the blues'n'twos to pull the cage over, and off to court we'd go.

Now if the same cage made the same turn but actually nailed the biker, how right would it be to have a no fault investigation, just coz the driver was lucky enough to actually nail the rider?

I see conflicts in the no fault investigation philosophy, no matter how well intentioned it was.

[oneofsix]

Had an interesting discussion with one of our crash analysts this morning.

I read your post about no blame investigations a couple of days back, and it ties in with what I have pondered over the years. It sound ideal, like a good way to get good crash data.

Trouble is the reality of the situation. If I'm following a cage down the road and the cage turns right across the path of an oncoming motorcycle, near miss, classic SMIDSY, narrowly avoids killing the rider, I'd use the blues'n'twos to pull the cage over, and off to court we'd go.

Now if the same cage made the same turn but actually nailed the biker, how right would it be to have a no fault investigation, just coz the driver was lucky enough to actually nail the rider?

I see conflicts in the no fault investigation philosophy, no matter how well intentioned it was.

butting in out of ignorance, the KB way.:pinch: But what I've seen from aircrash investigation etc, there version of no fault investigation isn't that they don't prosecute where blame is found, far from it, but rather the driving force behind the investigation is safety improvement. You still get to prosecute the cage but if instead you discover that the layout of the intersection is a large contributing factor then that has to also be actioned or it might mean the cager gets an excuse but you don';t go into it looking for someone to blame. Also from the likes of Aircrash Investigation the aviation industry used to have the same blame investigation mentality and it wasn't until they changed that that the safety improvements started to happen.

[HenryDorsetCase]

...if you can afford the truffles at the LR shop, ya got too much expendable income...what the fucks a truffle anyway, dont you need a pig to snort round in the ground for those things...there are no truffle snufflers on SH75...they all got bowled ...

No they're little chocolate ball things. Rum flavour and rolled in coconut. they're gooood.

[HenryDorsetCase]

butting in out of ignorance, the KB way.:pinch: But what I've seen from aircrash investigation etc, there version of no fault investigation isn't that they don't prosecute where blame is found, far from it, but rather the driving force behind the investigation is safety improvement. You still get to prosecute the cage but if instead you discover that the layout of the intersection is a large contributing factor then that has to also be actioned or it might mean the cager gets an excuse but you don';t go into it looking for someone to blame. Also from the likes of Aircrash Investigation the aviation industry used to have the same blame investigation mentality and it wasn't until they changed that that the safety improvements started to happen.

Its actually an argument towards a more inquisitorial style of justice (based on Roman law) instead of our English based adversarial system.

The inquisitor finds the facts then apportions the blame. the prosecution and defence have different and smaller roles.

[gammaguy]

Just stay away from it between Saturday 10am and say 5pm and Sunday same times. If I am going all the way (oooh err) I try and leave early. But my 8.30am gym thing on saturday kind of fucks that up.

or weekday afternoons though you have to be a bit careful: few more trucks about. But we're all careful on that road all the time, right? :sunny:

i just go there during the week now,mid morning there,mid afternoon back.

i dont recommend the second cafe on the left in little river either,the big one is better.the coffee at the small one tastes like it should go into my TDR's oil tank

[Drew]

No they're little chocolate ball things. Rum flavour and rolled in coconut. they're gooood.Those are called...wait for it...Rum balls.:drool:

[Jantar]

....Trouble is the reality of the situation. If I'm following a cage down the road and the cage turns right across the path of an oncoming motorcycle, near miss, classic SMIDSY, narrowly avoids killing the rider, I'd use the blues'n'twos to pull the cage over, and off to court we'd go.

Now if the same cage made the same turn but actually nailed the biker, how right would it be to have a no fault investigation, just coz the driver was lucky enough to actually nail the rider?....

What you are suggesting here is not a case of self reporting, but rather an offender being caught in the act. CAA will penalise pilots who are caught breaking CAA rules, its the cases of self reporting that are investigated with a view to improving safety rather than prosection.

Here's an example:
1. A driver/rider passes through a red light, but only notices it when its too late to stop safely. On the way through he narrowly misses colliding with another vehicle. Under the police methodology if either party report it he will be prosecuted. Under the aviation method, he reports it, including the fact that he didn't see the red light untill it was too late because of some hazard on the side of the road that he had been concentrating on. The police will look at the situation and recommend that the hazard be removed, or the lights be made more conspicuous.

2. A driver/rider passes through a red light, but only notices it when its too late to stop safely. On the way through he collides with another vehicle causing damage. Under the police methodology if either party report it he will be prosecuted. Under the aviation method, he reports it, including the fact that he didn't see the red light untill it was too late because of some hazard on the side of the road that he had been concentrating on. The police will look at the situation and recommend that the hazard be removed, or the lights be made more conspicuous. The owner of the damaged vehicle or his insurance company sues the offending driver.

[oneofsix]

Its actually an argument towards a more inquisitorial style of justice (based on Roman law) instead of our English based adversarial system.

The inquisitor finds the facts then apportions the blame. the prosecution and defence have different and smaller roles.

Drifting off topic but I am aware of the system of which you speak and have in the past wondered if it wouldn't serve us better especially in cases like the Kahu murder. The police throw both parties in front of the courts and the evidence for all to see rather than having to choose one amongst a conspiracy of lies.

Funny enough I can remember being told at school, good old NZ edumacation, that under our system you are innocent until proven guilty but under that system you had to prove your innocences with the heavy, possibly stated, implication that you were guilty until you could prove yourself innocent. :pinch:

[Berries]

Those are called...wait for it...Rum balls.:drool:
Nah, that's what you get after a first date if you don't, you know, do it.

[rastuscat]

What you are suggesting here is not a case of self reporting, but rather an offender being caught in the act. CAA will penalise pilots who are caught breaking CAA rules, its the cases of self reporting that are investigated with a view to improving safety rather than prosection.

Here's an example:
1. A driver/rider passes through a red light, but only notices it when its too late to stop safely. On the way through he narrowly misses colliding with another vehicle. Under the police methodology if either party report it he will be prosecuted. Under the aviation method, he reports it, including the fact that he didn't see the red light untill it was too late because of some hazard on the side of the road that he had been concentrating on. The police will look at the situation and recommend that the hazard be removed, or the lights be made more conspicuous.

2. A driver/rider passes through a red light, but only notices it when its too late to stop safely. On the way through he collides with another vehicle causing damage. Under the police methodology if either party report it he will be prosecuted. Under the aviation method, he reports it, including the fact that he didn't see the red light untill it was too late because of some hazard on the side of the road that he had been concentrating on. The police will look at the situation and recommend that the hazard be removed, or the lights be made more conspicuous. The owner of the damaged vehicle or his insurance company sues the offending driver.

Well explained. Makes sense.

However. Someone fails to take a bend that thousands of others have taken with no problems, is the problem really the bend? Is it the vehicle?

A driver goes through a red light that sticks out like dogs nuts......short of a person running out in front of every car waving a red flag, not sure how much more can be done.

I've had cause to look at why people don't see things, and inattention blindness appears to cover it. Trouble is, it's a human trait, developed over the history of man. Not sure how to overcome that.

So we throw the responsibility for road safety into the hands of motorists, and have an enforcement system that aims to encourage people to be more bloody careful.

We give NZTA the responsibility for road safety. They contract Popos to do enforcement. And consume donuts.

A system that has a no fault ethos is also a system that discourages a sense of responsibility. Sure I can see benefits of doing it, but there are problems too.

[FJRider]

Here's an example:


And if the version described by the motorists in 1. & 2. ... is different to that shown in the Red-light cameras (or eye witness account), they could be charged anyway. And the Insurance company may take the "offending" motorist to court as well.

Those guilty of acts of gross stupidity, and ignorance now ... plead innocence.

Until an eye witness ... or photos of the event are found ...

Those that bitch about statistics ... how they are not completely accurate now. Shouldn't bitch about the requirement to report accidents ... and near misses. Changes to legislation are often based on statistics ... so accurate reporting has to be to everybody's advantage, in the great scheme of things ... right .... ???

[oneofsix]

And consume donuts.

A system that has a no fault ethos is also a system that discourages a sense of responsibility. Sure I can see benefits of doing it, but there are problems too.

I see Rustus point but I also see entrenched thinking based on the idea that we, the public, have to be controlled. I would argue that the no blame system actually encourages people to take responsibility for their actions rather than to expect NZTA or the Police or some other government party to do it for them.
A bit like the health nuts wanting to put a limit on the number of donuts you can consume based on averages and limit understanding of now you control your own donut consumption.

[Scuba_Steve]

Well explained. Makes sense.

...

I've had cause to look at why people don't see things, and inattention blindness (created in no small part by the speed scam) appears to cover it. Trouble is, it's a human trait, developed over the history of man. Not sure how to overcome that. <- stop the speed scam

...

A system that has a no fault ethos is also a system that discourages a sense of responsibility. Sure I can see benefits of doing it, but there are problems too.

We've already "discouraged sense of responsibility", a combination of police inforcement, insurance companies, & social conditioning at large (pass the blame is the name of the game, it's never anyones fault anymore) has seen to it that personal responsibility is all but gone in modern society.
An aviation like setup might actually help get some personal responsibility back

[Jantar]

Well explained. Makes sense.

However. Someone fails to take a bend that thousands of others have taken with no problems, is the problem really the bend? Is it the vehicle? ....
You have hit the rationale exactly. The self reporting philosophy encourages people to investigate their own actions. And because there is little to fear from making a correct analysis they have no reason to cover up any of their actions, weaknesses or faillings. As a result of the reporting, police may make a recommendation that the driver receive further instruction in some action of their driving/riding and such instruction to place within a certain time frame. Much like a scheme you instituded yourself in Chrischurch.

In aviation there is another aspect that pilots get examined on: Human factors. Pilots are required to learn how to recognise when they are not in a fit state to fly and to ground themselves, or to recognise when they may not be at pek performance and how to get their mind back on the job etc. A failure in human factors is also a failure to get a licence. This is a big incentive to pass this part of their training. Human factors is also the part where pilots learn not to fear the self reporting scheme.

Bringing a self reporting / no fear mentality into motoring would require a massive shift in philosophy from both the motoring public and the enforcement agnecy (currently police). It couldn't be instituted overnight as too many people already in the system are inbred to mistrust rather than to trust, but over a period of 5 years or so it should be possible.

[FJRider]

Bringing a self reporting / no fear mentality into motoring would require a massive shift in philosophy from both the motoring public and the enforcement agnecy (currently police). It couldn't be instituted overnight as too many people already in the system are inbred to mistrust rather than to trust, but over a period of 5 years or so it should be possible.

I think the higher degree of skill and self discipline ... not to mention the time effort (and money) to get their license to fly ... cannot be compared to the average numpty that runs a red light (for whatever reason) ... in a maybe unregistered/unlicensed vehicle. Or maybe no drivers license either.

In a perfect world it may work. In my view ... that's still a way off yet ....

[rastuscat]

Much like a scheme you instituded yourself in Chrischurch.

Its still happening, though on a very low scale. We found it to be too dependant on the ACC funding, which was cut at the end of June. ECan is doing some now, so we're boxing on with it, but like I said, on a very reduced basis.


Bringing a self reporting / no fear mentality into motoring would require a massive shift in philosophy from both the motoring public and the enforcement agnecy (currently police). It couldn't be instituted overnight as too many people already in the system are inbred to mistrust rather than to trust, but over a period of 5 years or so it should be possible.

I believe that such a shift would be great, but that it would take a lot longer than 5 years.

What shall we do in the meantime? Keep in mind that neither of us are actually able to do anything about it, but happy to have a hypothetical discussion.

That sounds like a cop out (:wacko:) from me but be aware that I've been corresponding with Ministers for 4 years trying to get the fine for not wearing a seatbelt reduced, and having demerits put on that. With no success at all. People in my position have very, very little influence on such things.

[dangerous]

That sounds like a cop out (:wacko:) from me but be aware that I've been corresponding with Ministers for 4 years trying to get the fine for not wearing a seatbelt reduced, and having demerits put on that. With no success at all. yeah but would that not then push people to end up driving with no licences due to excess demerits?

[oneofsix]

yeah but would that not then push people to end up driving with no licences due to excess demerits?

Same argument applies to any offence with demerits and yet the ministers seem to think applying demerits to a taxation offence will for you into registering your bike. I really, really object to demerits for taxation rather than safety. :angry2:

[neels]

Yup, dat was us.

Here's my read on it.

We pulled out onto the road just ahead of you, then felt bad about holding you up. It's quite a sad position to be in. We ride at our about the limit, so people feel like they can't overtake us, and we feel like we are holding people up. Obviously we have helmet comms, and we talked about it, and elected to set you free. Then when you got ahead of us, we just tagged on. Impressed with your riding, we just followed your lines, and commented to each other about how comfortable you looked on the damp road. So were we. You were riding the lines we would be, and braking where we would be. I almost wanted to stop you to commend your riding, but then the slow traffic slowed us all down.

The Estima was doing, tops, 75 to 80, where he should have been doing more. The 3 cars ahead of usw were obviously fruistrated,m and that's where bad overtaking comes from. As soon as I got a place to overtake and pull the Estima over. I did so, letting the other cars and yourself get past.

Two your Cherman lads on their OIE, just enjoying the scenery.

It's nice to ride behind a competent rider.

Hoo ra for now, see ya out there this weekend.
Thought I should reply to this, seeing as the nice policeman is saying nice things.

I was tempted to stop at LR and see if it was you, but I didn't have any donut vouchers on me so decided to carry on.

Was just on a cruise home after a night in Akaroa with mrs so you weren't really holding me up, in fact you left me behind on the downhill twisties after the hilltop, trying to avoid helmet banging and ending up with my pillion on top of me.

Was tempted to pass the bunch behind the people mover (I loathe people movers) but there was too much twitching from the cars behind for my liking, so appreciated them being pulled in, even if the others following didn't have a clue what to do about a cop bike with it's lights going in front of them.

Won't see you this weekend, hopefully if I end up talking to any of your comrades on the west coast or through central it's only to compliment me on my riding....;)

[rastuscat]

Did the SH75 Donut patrol this morning. STarted a bit earlier than usual, have some other Popo stuff to do this arvo.

The highlight was a random duck on the roadside, appearing to be trying to decide whether to cross the road. It occurred to me that he should have consulted a chicken.

Not much else happened. Bugger all bikers, and that was a good thing. There was a Christchurch to Akaroa running race on, and it was stuffing the traffic up at times.

See yaz out there tomorrow, heading out a bit later. I'm due at LR at midday if anyone wants to stop for a chat.

[dangerous]

Did the SH75 Donut patrol this morning. STarted a bit earlier than usual, have some other Popo stuff to do this arvo.

The highlight was a random duck on the roadside, appearing to be trying to decide whether to cross the road. It occurred to me that he should have consulted a chicken.

Not much else happened. Bugger all bikers, and that was a good thing. There was a Christchurch to Akaroa running race on, and it was stuffing the traffic up at times.

See yaz out there tomorrow, heading out a bit later. I'm due at LR at midday if anyone wants to stop for a chat.
yeah well I was in a different direction breaking the law, can kinda see the merits of an adventure bike after today see the canty tag thread... and na wont see me tomorow, unless the phone rings and its beer oclock at the Wheatsheaf in the arvo... my shout

[ellipsis]

...a band at the wheaty tomorrow...sunday...

[dangerous]

...a band at the wheaty tomorrow...sunday...see ya there then?