FOR SALE - Drew and Alan's sidecar build

[Drew]

That's good. Very good.

But how does overfilling them cause the pump to, (presumably) hydraulic lock if there's a functional relief valve in line?

The relief valve would be completely submerged in an over full situation, too much case pressure and it wouldn't work.

The info came from the mechanic on Nick Cole's superbike, Scott I think his name is. Kawasaki mechanic who has seen it many times, I'm gonna take his word for it.

[Grumph]

That's good. Very good.

But how does overfilling them cause the pump to, (presumably) hydraulic lock if there's a functional relief valve in line?

i would guess that with the shallow sump and std oil quantity, the relief valve is below oil level - or underwater if you like...
that would raise the blowoff pressure quite a bit I'd think.

put the valve on a right angle elbow so it lies horizontal.....or on your next build, drill and tap into the passage from above.

Geeze drew, the ways you find to break things....

[Drew]

i would guess that with the shallow sump and std oil quantity, the relief valve is below oil level - or underwater if you like...
that would raise the blowoff pressure quite a bit I'd think.

put the valve on a right angle elbow so it lies horizontal.....or on your next build, drill and tap into the passage from above.

Geeze drew, the ways you find to break things....

Now that I understand it, (thanks for confirming), it seems the sump needs to come off again fuck it all. The area under the valve doesn't have fuck all in the way of drainage. So level aside, it's always submerged once it has opened at all.

Fuck my fucking life!!!

[Kickaha]

put the valve on a right angle elbow so it lies horizontal....

Thats how our far superior GSXR engine has it, but it'd still be submerged

[Grumph]

Now that I understand it, (thanks for confirming), it seems the sump needs to come off again fuck it all. The area under the valve doesn't have fuck all in the way of drainage. So level aside, it's always submerged once it has opened at all.

Fuck my fucking life!!!

You seem to be doing well in that line yourself thanks....

If you're pulling the sump, have a look at simply putting the valve on a U bend to get it above the waterline. from memory, there should be room there. Quick and dirty....

[Grumph]

Thats how our far superior GSXR engine has it, but it'd still be submerged

I'm guessing the oil pump is driven off the back of the clutch like Suzukis have for decades....VERY hard to break that drive...

The big kawas use a smallish shaft and usually an Oldham type coupling which is easy to break.

[Drew]

You seem to be doing well in that line yourself thanks....

If you're pulling the sump, have a look at simply putting the valve on a U bend to get it above the waterline. from memory, there should be room there. Quick and dirty....

Hmmm, we don't have access to the engineering shop at the moment. Al's work is closed up till nearly February.

FOR FUCK SAKES this fucking thing is starting to give me the fucking shits!

[Kickaha]

Hmmm, we don't have access to the engineering shop at the moment. Al's work is closed up till nearly February.

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[Ocean1]

i would guess that with the shallow sump and std oil quantity, the relief valve is below oil level - or underwater if you like...
that would raise the blowoff pressure quite a bit I'd think.

So the downstream side, the spring side of the valve isn't draining back to sump? Is a standard poppet valve?

Struggling to see how a high oil level can cause that, but I'm not familiar with the engine.


Now that I understand it, (thanks for confirming), it seems the sump needs to come off again fuck it all. The area under the valve doesn't have fuck all in the way of drainage. So level aside, it's always submerged once it has opened at all.

Fuck my fucking life!!!

Not saying what my record is, but you're nowhere near it. You can sleep when you're dead.

[scrivy]

I like Boobies!

I like kittens....:facepalm:

[scrivy]

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What exactly are you trying to say Kick????:shutup:

[Ocean1]

Hmmm, we don't have access to the engineering shop at the moment. Al's work is closed up till nearly February.

FOR FUCK SAKES this fucking thing is starting to give me the fucking shits!

What do you need? I have a bit of space, some machine tools.

[Drew]

I need to have another look at a standard sump. It could be that it doesn't normally drain out the bottom of the cup where the valve is suspended. If that's the case, (no pun intended) then we're still good to go and will make a U bend when we get back up here as a precaution.

Gonna be mounting that fucking oil light higher and more in the way as soon as we get the thing out of the truck though!

[Kickaha]

I like kittens....:facepalm:

Just for you a kitten pic then
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l3ewdnACJY1qzs6oc.jpg

[Drew]

What do you need? I have a bit of space, some machine tools.180 bend in a piece of tube, with I think about an M12fine thread tapped in one end, and cut onto the other.

[Ocean1]

180 bend in a piece of tube, with I think about an M12fine thread tapped in one end, and cut onto the other.

Only got hydraulic tube benders, good collection of SS tube fittings though, be surprised if we can't make something work.

Think I've got M12 fine taps, can screwcut it if not.

021 688 508. Let me know if you want me to look at it.

Edit: think I've also got some in-line relief valves, if it makes sense we might be able to make ports and remote mount one...

[Drew]

Only got hydraulic tube benders, good collection of SS tube fittings though, be surprised if we can't make something work.

Think I've got M12 fine taps, can screwcut it if not.

021 688 508. Let me know if you want me to look at it.

Edit: think I've also got some in-line relief valves, if it makes sense we might be able to make ports and remote mount one...Awesome. Thanks heaps Mark. Will be in touch tomorrow if we need to sort it urgently.

[Shaun Harris]

Cool you have found the issue Dew, now get back to work

[swarfie]

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Jeez Kick, you have FAR too much time on your hands :nya:

[Kickaha]

Jeez Kick, you have FAR too much time on your hands :nya:

Only a few seconds, haven't you old guys heard of "cut and paste"

[swarfie]

Only a few seconds, haven't you old guys heard of "cut and paste"

Nar I gave that up years ago...gets too sticky and messy :lol:

[Drew]

Sweet. The standard sump without the bottom chopped off, still leaves the relief valve sitting in a puddle with the excess running over the walls.

With the level down where it should be, we are good to go still.

Thank any deity who will listen.:niceone:

[nadroj]

Only a few seconds, haven't you old guys heard of "cut and paste"

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[nodrog]

Sweet. The standard sump without the bottom chopped off, still leaves the relief valve sitting in a puddle with the excess running over the walls.

With the level down where it should be, we are good to go still.

Thank any deity who will listen.:niceone:

You are hard on gear!

[Kickaha]

You are hard on gear!

How many times have you rebuilt the BMW?

[Drew]

How many times have you rebuilt the BMW?And it still fills the oil breather catch bottle!

[nodrog]

How many times have you rebuilt the BMW?

just about to start rebuild #4


And it still fills the oil breather catch bottle!

fuck its only oil nothing to quit a race over, they still sell it.

[Kickaha]

fuck its only oil nothing to quit a race over, they still sell it.
Put a scavenge pump in the catch bottle and pretend it's a dry sump system

[nodrog]

Put a scavenge pump in the catch bottle and pretend it's a dry sump system

fuck that's a good idea!

[scrivy]

fuck that's a good idea!

Why don't you just modify the filler cap with a vent, and drain the catch bottle back into the filler cap?????
K I S S....... :bleh::weird::whistle::shutup:

Oh, I never knew what BMW stood for either.....

[scrivy]

Just for you a kitten pic then
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l3ewdnACJY1qzs6oc.jpg

Right back at ya.....291640

[Kickaha]

when we come round to fucken lap you on them!

So how did that work out for you?

[Drew]

So how did that work out for you?
Might have been different if you weren't so scared you tried to run us off the track twice ya rough cunt!

[scrivy]

Might have been different if you weren't so scared you tried to run us off the track twice ya rough cunt!

Got that timing prob sorted yet?

[Drew]

Got that timing prob sorted yet?

Think so. We'll find out on Friday I guess. If you watch online you'll know as soon as the first race starts. If we monster Warwick and the pirate to turn one you'll know the job's a goodun.

[scrivy]

Think so. We'll find out on Friday I guess. If you watch online you'll know as soon as the first race starts. If we monster Warwick and the pirate to turn one you'll know the job's a goodun.

Unless Kick takes you out off the line...... :bleh::eek::killingme

Maybe Kick likes line dancing????

[merv]

Think so. We'll find out on Friday I guess. If you watch online you'll know as soon as the first race starts. If we monster Warwick and the pirate to turn one you'll know the job's a goodun.

... but won't you qualify in front of them next time and be in charge anyway?

[Drew]

Quick hoon around the streets of Ashburton, and it's pulling much harder. The temperature is stable and good. So we might be onto a winner with the fix.

[scrivy]

Quick hoon around the streets of Ashburton, and it's pulling much harder. The temperature is stable and good. So we might be onto a winner with the fix.

Valve clearances all good too??

[Drew]

Valve clearances all good too??

Yip, all good.

[scrivy]

Yip, all good.

Rightyho... no fucken excuses then! You'll be able to beat Kick by 2 seconds a lap now!

[Kickaha]

Unless Kick takes you out off the line...... :bleh::eek::killingme
Aiming for T1, got spare chair guards for when it happens
292084

Rightyho... no fucken excuses then! You'll be able to beat Kick by 2 seconds a lap now!
Probably more than that, I know that track will most likely be the one I am worst at

[roogazza]

Quick hoon around the streets of Ashburton, and it's pulling much harder. The temperature is stable and good. So we might be onto a winner with the fix.

Good you have it sorted. Now for a little trick to give you an advantage !
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[tail_end_charlie]

Good you have it sorted. Now for a little trick to give you an advantage !
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This seems to be an appropriate question to ask: "Who's driving?" :scratch:

Very interesting photo, I take it the pasanger is adjusting the lean angle with the steering wheel?

[roogazza]

This seems to be an appropriate question to ask: "Who's driving?" :scratch:

Very interesting photo, I take it the pasanger is adjusting the lean angle with the steering wheel?

Yes, exactly right ! The write up with it said, it was banned because it was proved to be an advantage ???? :wacko:

[Drew]

Well, we didn't have it sorted at all. So we didn't race for fear of blowing up another motor.

Alan did get to swing though, after Dave's stand in (Grant Waters) hurt his knee and took the soft option.

I got to help Corey and Tim out, and commentate the chair races.

Fuck my life, we still can't just get on this fucken thing and ride it!

[Mental Trousers]

Ratshit. But hang in there bro, pretty soon all of that work is gonna pay off and the thing will run without a single hiccup for years.

[scrivy]

Fuck my life, we still can't just get on this fucken thing and ride it!

What is actually happening to it Drew?
You dont wanna blow it, but what is going wrong with it?

[Drew]

What is actually happening to it Drew?
You dont wanna blow it, but what is going wrong with it?First session of the day it seems to go fine for five or six laps, then it gets real low on power in the top end. It gets sorta fluttery and won't rev nicely.

Every session after that we get fewer and fewer laps before it does it. By the last race on Sunday at Ruapuna we were maybe reving to 5 or 6 grand and having to short shift, and I couldn't use full throttle at all.

Gonna swap over all the sensors and stuff from the old motor and see if that helps.

[mr bucketracer]

First session of the day it seems to go fine for five or six laps, then it gets real low on power in the top end. It gets sorta fluttery and won't rev nicely.

Every session after that we get fewer and fewer laps before it does it. By the last race on Sunday at Ruapuna we were maybe reving to 5 or 6 grand and having to short shift, and I couldn't use full throttle at all.

Gonna swap over all the sensors and stuff from the old motor and see if that helps.sounds like your spark is dyeing , battery going flat ,charging system not working after so meany laps ?

[Drew]

sounds like your spark is dyeing , battery going flat ,charging system not working after so meany laps ?

Battery voltage straight off the track is around thirteen, and always over fourteen while running. Got a grunty as Shorai in there.

Spark plugs are new, but we're gonna chuck some new coils on it when we swap all the sensors from the old motor.

I have felt it start to do the same at Hampton downs on the old motor, but only a tiny bit and thought I was imagining it.

It's fucken frustrating! Of course, it's a bastard of a thing to test without a rolling road/dyno or a track at our disposal.

[Ocean1]

First session of the day it seems to go fine for five or six laps, then it gets real low on power in the top end. It gets sorta fluttery and won't rev nicely.

Every session after that we get fewer and fewer laps before it does it. By the last race on Sunday at Ruapuna we were maybe reving to 5 or 6 grand and having to short shift, and I couldn't use full throttle at all.

Gonna swap over all the sensors and stuff from the old motor and see if that helps.

About the only thing that changes over that sort of timeframe is temperature.
Which doesn't really help because that can still affect a bunch of shit, but it does sound electrical dunnit?
Do you have a temp guage on board?
Not running a fuel line anywhere too close to the engine?
Is there an over-temp limp-home function in the ECU?

[Mental Trousers]

I had a problem that was just as frustrating to find, the difference being the bike would try to kill me each time it happened.

Turned out that everytime I went around a right hand corner the tank would move slightly, eventually moving enough to rest against the end of the throttle bodies and jam the throttle wide open. As soon as I lifted the tank it was fine again and because there were already scrape marks from sanding etc I didn't notice the new ones.

So, is there any cover that you lean on which may press on something and as soon as you remove the cover everything resets??

[scrivy]

Is there an over-temp limp-home function in the ECU?

Drew does have a limp home mode....... its call 'lack of fitness'..... LOL!! :shutup:

I'm picking its electric too. :blink:

But what would I know, I like kittens........ :facepalm:

[Shaun Harris]

First session of the day it seems to go fine for five or six laps, then it gets real low on power in the top end. It gets sorta fluttery and won't rev nicely.

Every session after that we get fewer and fewer laps before it does it. By the last race on Sunday at Ruapuna we were maybe reving to 5 or 6 grand and having to short shift, and I couldn't use full throttle at all.

Gonna swap over all the sensors and stuff from the old motor and see if that helps.




when you rolled off the throttle a little, did it clean itself back up again and run clean at partiall throttle? If it did this, the chances are it is riching ( Lots of fuel) itself up some how??? Hotter the motor etc the richer it becomes????

Rolling off the throttle obviously leans it back out, so this may be the problem mate. I find it hard to believe it is electrical, but may be?

Need to get it on a Car Dyno man, there is a bloody good outfit in Waitara, I know that is miles from you and must be one nearer too you man

[nodrog]

I reckon its too retarded, like shaun

[Drew]

when you rolled off the throttle a little, did it clean itself back up again and run clean at partiall throttle? If it did this, the chances are it is riching ( Lots of fuel) itself up some how??? Hotter the motor etc the richer it becomes????

Rolling off the throttle obviously leans it back out, so this may be the problem mate. I find it hard to believe it is electrical, but may be?

Need to get it on a Car Dyno man, there is a bloody good outfit in Waitara, I know that is miles from you and must be one nearer too you manIt does run cleaner on partial throttle at lower revs, from what sounds like 4000-7000 revs like.

I'm gonna see if Bryce has a TPS the same as what's on there, they're fairly generic I understand.

Will also be getting a flue pressure gauge on there, and perhaps a manually adjustable regulator.


I reckon its too retarded, like shaunHe's making more sense than most of what I came up with.

By electrical I'm guessing people mean sensor related, rather than an electrical fault. Either way, it wouldn't get progressively worse through each day normally.

Without a dash things are of course, more difficult.

[Shaun Harris]

I reckon its too retarded, like shaun













Nothing is as retarded as me

[scrivy]

Nothing is as retarded as me

Oh, oh.... pick me, pick me..... :wacko:

[scrivy]

Will also be getting a flue pressure gauge on there, and perhaps a manually adjustable regulator.


Have you checked fuel pressure at all?? What about fuel flow?? Is your tank clean? Does your fuel pump have an in-line filter? Does your fuel pump have a filter inside it? Does your fuel system have a strainer in it??
Are any of the above items dirty/blocked???

Do you like kittens?? Fluffy or shaved???
Tabby or persian???
Grumpy or playful??

[Banditbandit]

I have felt it start to do the same at Hampton downs on the old motor, but only a tiny bit and thought I was imagining it.



If it's doing that it will probably be external to the engine ...

[scrivy]

Battery voltage straight off the track is around thirteen, and always over fourteen while running. Got a grunty as Shorai in there.

I have felt it start to do the same at Hampton downs on the old motor, but only a tiny bit and thought I was imagining it.

What battery voltage have you got at the fuel pump??

[Ocean1]

By electrical I'm guessing people mean sensor related, rather than an electrical fault. Either way, it wouldn't get progressively worse through.

No, if the spark is weak then you get exactly the symptoms you describe. The higher the revs and the more throttle then the more pressure the spark has to fire through, so WOT at high revs is exactly where you start to notice it. Can be caused by dodgy coils, Leeds, almost anything ignition related.

Edit: 'course it could also be starving... got an in-line fuel filter in there somewhere?

[old rig]

It does run cleaner on partial throttle at lower revs, from what sounds like 4000-7000 revs like.

I'm gonna see if Bryce has a TPS the same as what's on there, they're fairly generic I understand.

Will also be getting a flue pressure gauge on there, and perhaps a manually adjustable regulator.

He's making more sense than most of what I came up with.

By electrical I'm guessing people mean sensor related, rather than an electrical fault. Either way, it wouldn't get progressively worse through each day normally.

Without a dash things are of course, more difficult.

sponge bob had by the sound of it the very same problem and i think will have to check with him he got it sorted and put a new fuel pump on it

[scrivy]

sponge bob had by the sound of it the very same problem and i think will have to check with him he got it sorted and put a new fuel pump on it

Yip, I had the same problem too........

So I put more air in the rear tyre - it spun so much, reduced the load on the engine and stopped the mis.......


As you were......:lol:

[scrivy]

sponge bob had by the sound of it the very same problem and i think will have to check with him he got it sorted and put a new fuel pump on it

Does yours have the same problem as Drews Darren? :devil2::lol::killingme

[scrivy]

At least if Drew's rig stops, he can properly say that it didn't run out of fuel...............

:bleh::rolleyes::killingme:rofl:

[White trash]

Coils.

10 muthfuckas

[old rig]

Does yours have the same problem as Drews Darren? :devil2::lol::killingme

what
i have a big end
maybe we could put my big with his flat top end and make some music

[scrivy]

what
i have a big end
maybe we could put my big with his flat top end and make some music

???? You mean you'll Hum, and he'll play with it....... :lol:

[nodrog]

are you running a total loss system drew?

[Weaver]

are you running a total loss system drew?

No
.

[Grumph]

Couple 'a questions...

When it slows do you see a change in plug colour ? Have you looked yet ?

If no change it's probably electrical, and yes, a coil swap is the first place to start although in my experience kawa coils are usually pretty reliable - unless they've been cooked by leaving the ignition on....

If it goes lean on the plugs, is there a bag filter on the injection pump pickup ? When was that looked at or any inline filter too....

[Drew]

Couple 'a questions...

When it slows do you see a change in plug colour ? Have you looked yet ?

If no change it's probably electrical, and yes, a coil swap is the first place to start although in my experience kawa coils are usually pretty reliable - unless they've been cooked by leaving the ignition on....

If it goes lean on the plugs, is there a bag filter on the injection pump pickup ? When was that looked at or any inline filter too....

Plugs look like new after about four sessions of running.

Haven't checked the filter yet. Taking this week off from the chair, so as to keep some semblance of sanity.

[old rig]

Plugs look like new after about four sessions of running.

Haven't checked the filter yet. Taking this week off from the chair, so as to keep some semblance of sanity.

I talked to bob and his was the ecu not telling the choke to come off he had it on a dyno in tga here
his did the same after a few laps wouldn't rev etc the same as yours
give me a ring your phone only goes to voice mail

[Shaun Harris]

I talked to bob and his was the ecu not telling the choke to come off he had it on a dyno in tga here
his did the same after a few laps wouldn't rev etc the same as yours
give me a ring your phone only goes to voice mail















see post below

[Shaun Harris]

If the choke was staying on, the bike would not clean up by using lesser throttle action, it would stay permanently rich?

[Shaun Harris]

u got to the bottom of this yet drew?

[Drew]

Not yet. Haven't even looked at it yet.

Will change all of the electronic senders, and must remember to check the clearances from cam and crank rotors to the senders.

Chuck a fuel pressure gauge on there and try and get the thing to play up.

[Shaun Harris]

Not yet. Haven't even looked at it yet.

Will change all of the electronic senders, and must remember to check the clearances from cam and crank rotors to the senders.

Chuck a fuel pressure gauge on there and try and get the thing to play up.






I would go just the fuel root first man, and if no different then the electronics, at least that way you know exactually what the issue was/is

[scrivy]

I would go just the fuel root first man, and if no different then the electronics, at least that way you know exactually what the issue was/is

Faster, easier and cheaper too in the first instance......

[old rig]

Not yet. Haven't even looked at it yet.

Will change all of the electronic senders, and must remember to check the clearances from cam and crank rotors to the senders.

Chuck a fuel pressure gauge on there and try and get the thing to play up.

change one thing at a time

else you won't know what was wrong and whats not

i'm in for the fuel root as well

[Drew]

If I had a dyno, the one thing at a time route is certainly the best idea.

It's a bit hard to take it for a hoon each time we change something though, particularly when it needs to travel about twenty k's before it usually starts playing up the first time it goes out on any given day.

[koba]

This is where those living in ChCh have such an advantage over the other main cities.

[roogazza]

If I had a dyno, the one thing at a time route is certainly the best idea.
It's a bit hard to take it for a hoon each time we change something though, particularly when it needs to travel about twenty k's before it usually starts playing up the first time it goes out on any given day.
That sounds a bugger of a thing to diagnose.You're right tho, one thing at a time.
Reminds me of an early morning many years ago unloading TZ Yamahas out of a van at 6am on the Kaitokes.
Couldn't probably get away with that nowdays with Cellphones and the like ??? :killingme

[jellywrestler]

That sounds a bugger of a thing to diagnose.You're right tho, one thing at a time.
Reminds me of an early morning many years ago unloading TZ Yamahas out of a van at 6am on the Kaitokes.
Couldn't probably get away with that nowdays with Cellphones and the like ??? :killingme

yeah and a tz looks a bit different to a sidecar...

[JayRacer37]

If I had a dyno, the one thing at a time route is certainly the best idea.

It's a bit hard to take it for a hoon each time we change something though, particularly when it needs to travel about twenty k's before it usually starts playing up the first time it goes out on any given day.

It looks a bit like an RF900 with a chair, just strap that plate to it, put your wets on any your laughing!

[Grumph]

This is where those living in ChCh have such an advantage over the other main cities.

Pardon ? - two days a week availbility of ruapuna ain't paradise....that's Invercargill where you can get your own key to the track...

drew from what you're saying the problem appears to be heat related. you don't have to ride the damm thing - just run it long enough to get it hot.

[Kickaha]

Throw the filthy diesel away and stick this in it
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Yamaha-TZ500-Krauser-2-Stroke-Engine-Complete-/251429490239
http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Yamaha-TZ500-Krauser-2-Stroke-Engine-Complete-/00/s/MTA2NlgxNjAw/z/R64AAOxyRhBS3DP6/$_12.JPG

[Wheeliemonsta]

Evening lads,
Have you got this issue sorted... ? (Scottie here... b.t.w)

Told Allan last time we spoke to get hold of Gary at GP Motorcycle Wreckers to get a stock dash - speculating here ain't goin to fix the bike...

An hour or so in Gremlins (the real one ;-) workshop may well do so...

I will be down at both the Taupo & Manfied rounds

My diagnostic time is FOC - just make sure I have a cold Jack Daniels in my hand once the job is done...

B.T.W "Gidday Shaun - long time mate..."

[Str8 Jacket]

Pardon ? - two days a week availbility of ruapuna ain't paradise....that's Invercargill where you can get your own key to the track...

drew from what you're saying the problem appears to be heat related. you don't have to ride the damm thing - just run it long enough to get it hot.

Yes but when you can get on track you have WAAAY less than an hours drive to get there. We have at least 2.5hours travel to get to manfeild.

[jellywrestler]

Yes but when you can get on track you have WAAAY less than an hours drive to get there. We have at least 2.5hours travel to get to manfeild. yeah i used to have a car that was that slow too.

[Grumph]

Yes but when you can get on track you have WAAAY less than an hours drive to get there. We have at least 2.5hours travel to get to manfeild.

It's all relative....a mate in Adelaide tells me his closest track is 4 hours away - and when his son was chasing Aussie titles he was only home when the travel schedule let him pass through town.

He thought two tracks within 2 1/2 hours distance was paradise....Ruapuna and levels. He'd envy your short travel time....

[Drew]

Hey Scott. Happy to ply you with booze for assistance.

Problem with just running it though, is that it runs fine without load. Plus it ran pretty well for the best part of a couple sessions at Ruapuna.

[Shaun Harris]

Evening lads,
Have you got this issue sorted... ? (Scottie here... b.t.w)

Told Allan last time we spoke to get hold of Gary at GP Motorcycle Wreckers to get a stock dash - speculating here ain't goin to fix the bike...

An hour or so in Gremlins (the real one ;-) workshop may well do so...

I will be down at both the Taupo & Manfied rounds

My diagnostic time is FOC - just make sure I have a cold Jack Daniels in my hand once the job is done...

B.T.W "Gidday Shaun - long time mate..."





Hey buddy, you are going to have to enlighten me sorry, who the F R ya mate?

[Drew]

Hey buddy, you are going to have to enlighten me sorry, who the F R ya mate?Scott (I know I'm gonna spell this wrong) Buchanan.

[koba]

Throw the filthy diesel away and stick this in it
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Yamaha-TZ500-Krauser-2-Stroke-Engine-Complete-/251429490239
http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Yamaha-TZ500-Krauser-2-Stroke-Engine-Complete-/00/s/MTA2NlgxNjAw/z/R64AAOxyRhBS3DP6/$_12.JPG

Holy Shitcakes that is a lot of money, 32500 Pounds!

:crazy:

[Kickaha]

Holy Shitcakes that is a lot of money, 32500 Pounds!

:crazy:

One of the guys on the UK sidecar site I use said back in the day you could just about buy a house for what one of those cost to buy new

[koba]

One of the guys on the UK sidecar site I use said back in the day you could just about buy a house for what one of those cost to buy new

Shoulda bought the house....

What is Max two stroke capacity/# of jugs for sidecars?

[Kickaha]

Shoulda bought the house....

What is Max two stroke capacity/# of jugs for sidecars?

Well if he had bought the house then he might not have won multiple world championships

1300cc is the max limit in NZ two stroke or four

[koba]

Well if he had bought the house then he might not have won multiple world championships

1300cc is the max limit in NZ two stroke or four

Cool, that give some interesting potential but I can see why one would just run a current superbike style engine.

[Kickaha]

Cool, that give some interesting potential but I can see why one would just run a current superbike style engine.

New motors are pretty much plug and play and go fast bits are readily available, developing something else is more time and effort than most people would be prepared to spend

[koba]

New motors are pretty much plug and play and go fast bitsare readily available, developing something else is more time and effort than most people would be prepared to spend

Totally, and it's all resources diverted from spending time on the track, which I think is most important.

[Shaun Harris]

Wheelie monster, gidday Scott, yea mate a bloody long time indeed.

[Drew]

Shoulda bought the house....

What is Max two stroke capacity/# of jugs for sidecars?I understand Burt is toying with the idea of a snowmobile engine in a long bike.

I fail to see the attraction.

[pete376403]

I understand Burt is toying with the idea of a snowmobile engine in a long bike.

I fail to see the attraction.

What size are jetski motors?

[nodrog]

I understand Burt is toying with the idea of a snowmobile engine in a long bike.

I fail to see the attraction.

1000cc 2 stroke, well over 200hp, light as, cvt transmission etc etc

[Kickaha]

1000cc 2 stroke, well over 200hp, light as, cvt transmission etc etc
Guy in Canada has already done it, apparently fast when it's running, 200hp + and you need to feed them parts at regular intervals (two strokes)

I looked at Jetski motors a decade ago but it was more work than it was worth

[nodrog]

Guy in Canada has already done it, apparently fast when it's running, 200hp + and you need to feed them parts at regular intervals (two strokes)

I looked at Jetski motors a decade ago but it was more work than it was worth

looks like fun


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzxFBfb-KXU

[Kickaha]

looks like fun

I've seen a video of one running a 9sec quartermile on tarseal, now they're doing 8sec but turbo fourstroke

A friend of mine would like me to build an electric one,said it'd easily piss all over what we currently run and because of the race length would be no problem with range

Cost would be comparable to buying a later LCR though

[scrivy]

I understand Burt is toying with the idea of a snowmobile engine in a long bike.

I fail to see the attraction.

What??

For a snowmobile engine or a long bike?????:devil2::eek::bleh:

[koba]

Hmm, still thinking the same thing as before...

It would be great to build a stinkwheel chair, could make it sure as fuck super fast, but bolting in a GSXR Thou E-bay special and spending time on the track will be time and coin better spent.

I've only had a few sidecar tootoo's but I'm sure that getting a good handling setup and lots and lots of track time to get it sorted between the 3 entities involved is surely the best policy.

[wharfy]

I understand Burt is toying with the idea of a snowmobile engine in a long bike.

I fail to see the attraction.

Winter series ?

[Drew]

We got a bit done today. Swapped the cam and crank angle senders, though they tested as per the book. Along with the temp sender that the ECU uses, (which interestingly had different numbers stamped on it). Speed sensor too.

Added a fuel line pressure gauge, and temp gauge.

I found a small balance pipe between #2 and #3 throttle body that had hardened and wasn't fitting tight anymore. So that's replaced too.

Just gotta replace the variable resistor we have on the ignition switch wire, with a normal resistor and fire it up.

We're gonna leave the motor where it is till the end of the season. It should be mounted further forward to get the weight over the front wheel more, but it's a lot more work than just shifting the motor. There's the seat to then mount further up, all the controls and shit, and a new frame brace to make.

[Drew]

Scored some free dyno time tonight, so we chucked it on there and tried to replicated the problem we've been having.

Got about fifteen minutes of run time without any issues. Unfortunately though, thing's so fucken grunty it snapped the drive axle on the dyno!

So we didn't get to just run the thing solid, for any length of time. Getting around 150 ponies at the tread though, which is not too bad I reckon.

So I'll talk to Skunk and see if he's going to be able to give us one ten lap session to make sure the prob is fixed next weekend, and then I'll start a build thread for CBR400 powered lawn mowers to fill in the time before the next nats round.

Fingers crossed.

[scrivy]

Getting around 150 ponies at the tread though, which is not too bad I reckon.

That's all I had running my old ZX10 on methanol...... exactly 150.

So you should be able to do the same times I did back then...... :bleh::rolleyes::first:

[scrivy]

We're gonna leave the motor where it is till the end of the season. It should be mounted further forward to get the weight over the front wheel more, but it's a lot more work than just shifting the motor. There's the seat to then mount further up, all the controls and shit, and a new frame brace to make.

Errrrr..... wouldn't it be easier to just move the front wheel backwards?????:shit:

[Shaun Harris]

Errrrr..... wouldn't it be easier to just move the front wheel backwards?????:shit:




Don;t make it too easy on him, I like reading how his brain tries to work

[Drew]

That's all I had running my old ZX10 on methanol...... exactly 150.

So you should be able to do the same times I did back then...... :bleh::rolleyes::first:Give it time. The only meeting we've finished so far, the chair was running so bad it was a LOT slower than the 600s.


Errrrr..... wouldn't it be easier to just move the front wheel backwards?????:shit:


Don;t make it too easy on him, I like reading how his brain tries to workI can forgive Scrivy for not having thought this through, sidecar riders are seemingly oblivious to the gains that can be made by altering shit...except for the pirate of course, which does make for a strong argument in leaving shit the fuck alone sometimes.

But how is shortening a vehicle that unloads the front too much already, supposed to be an improvement?

It turns in MINT, but pick the throttle back up at all and you are fighting a very determined bulldozer out of right hand bends.

[Shaun Harris]

Give it time. The only meeting we've finished so far, the chair was running so bad it was a LOT slower than the 600s.




It turns in MINT, but pick the throttle back up at all and you are fighting a very determined bulldozer out of right hand bends.






I take it you have mucked around with ride heights to note any changes in the handling? and or rear spring rates and pre load again to note the understeer issue changes?

[Drew]

I take it you have mucked around with ride heights to note any changes in the handling? and or rear spring rates and pre load again to note the understeer issue changes?

Haven't changed the rear spring rate as yet, and it is very soft. It would benefit greatly with some top out springs up front too I think.

But the soft rear end makes for excellent drive off the line and through left hand bends.

So if I can have it both ways to an extent, why not have it?

[Shaun Harris]

Haven't changed the rear spring rate as yet, and it is very soft. It would benefit greatly with some top out springs up front too I think.

But the soft rear end makes for excellent drive off the line and through left hand bends.

So if I can have it both ways to an extent, why not have it?





understood but, it turns in great you say, but then understeers back on the gas, that is telling me way to much Sqwat in the rear, either far to sot on spring and blowing throuth stroke or a combo of too soft a spring and piss poor compression dampning, I am guessing it is quiet hard on tyres also?

if you move the engine weight man, you are going to be opening up a huge can of worms to get it all set up again including re working the shock/s


1 step at a time is quicker and cheaper than re building the wheel dude

[scrivy]

Haven't changed the rear spring rate as yet, and it is very soft. It would benefit greatly with some top out springs up front too I think.

But the soft rear end makes for excellent drive off the line and through left hand bends.

So if I can have it both ways to an extent, why not have it?

Can I have a ride of it at the HAGD? I'd like to see if it handles the same/worse than the house bus...
Shortys are notoriously hard to turn right. They aren't solos. You have to slide the rear to help it to turn. Most shorty riders struggle, and get massive arm pump, (and if you'd noticed.... some of them were big boys...)

[Drew]

Can I have a ride of it at the HAGD? I'd like to see if it handles the same/worse than the house bus...
Shortys are notoriously hard to turn right. They aren't solos. You have to slide the rear to help it to turn. Most shorty riders struggle, and get massive arm pump, (and if you'd noticed.... some of them were big boys...)You're welcome to have a hoon.

[scrivy]

You're welcome to have a hoon.

Nah, not a hoon, a test ride......

I want you to sit on it and see if it goes ok, whilst going through its paces.
With you on the side, you'll know what you do or don't do, and see how it reacts to my riding.

Remember, the house bus has basically no front or rear suspension, and is a pig to steer, so your thing should in theory be nicer to ride.......

[old rig]

You're welcome to have a hoon.

i think you should buy my chair handles well(the same as the house bus) and has good brakes

[scrivy]

i think you should buy my chair handles well(the same as the house bus) and has good brakes

Hows the engine in it??:violin::shutup::innocent::facepalm::shit::ble h:

[old rig]

Hows the engine in it??:violin::shutup::innocent::facepalm::shit::ble h:

About as good as your chassie:eek5::brick::pinch::wacko::weep::gob::gob: :gob:

[scrivy]

About as good as your chassie:eek5::brick::pinch::wacko::weep::gob::gob: :gob:

Aw, come on..... there was no need for that........ :lol::killingme:devil2:

[scrivy]

i think you should buy my chair handles well(the same as the house bus) and has good brakes

Is it as fast as the house bus.................???:rolleyes:

[old rig]

Is it as fast as the house bus.................???:rolleyes:

at the moment it's faster .....................mine rolls :woohoo:

[scrivy]

at the moment it's faster .....................mine rolls :woohoo:

????? WITH YOUR SHAPE IT WOULD...... Lol!!! :innocent::girlfight:

Anyway, get back to work.........

[Kickaha]

It turns in MINT, but pick the throttle back up at all and you are fighting a very determined bulldozer out of right hand bends.
I'm not sure if it just because you dont have the fairing on it so maybe you're missing a handhold but the pictures I've seen from Ruapuna Alan isn't far enough forward to load up the front and unload the rear

[Shaun Harris]

whens the have a go day?

[Drew]

I'm not sure if it just because you dont have the fairing on it so maybe you're missing a handhold but the pictures I've seen from Ruapuna Alan isn't far enough forward to load up the front and unload the rearA hand hold on the fairing might make it easier, but I know he gets as far forward as he can at the moment.


whens the have a go day?May.

[Shaun Harris]

Drew, cheers re Have ago day date, it has been 28 years since I last was in a sidecar. If I could, I would buy and race one now.

Hey what are thoughts on my post No #872

[Drew]

understood but, it turns in great you say, but then understeers back on the gas, that is telling me way to much Sqwat in the rear, either far to sot on spring and blowing throuth stroke or a combo of too soft a spring and piss poor compression dampning, I am guessing it is quiet hard on tyres also?

if you move the engine weight man, you are going to be opening up a huge can of worms to get it all set up again including re working the shock/s


1 step at a time is quicker and cheaper than re building the wheel dude

It's worth a try I suppose. Got any twelve or thirteen weight springs to fit a 98 R1 shock lying around?

[Shaun Harris]

It's worth a try I suppose. Got any twelve or thirteen weight springs to fit a 98 R1 shock lying around?






no sorry man, I gave all I had back to Robert. A fermer rear will allow you to slide control it better also as Skrivy has said, then it;s about finding the correct tyre PSI when hot to ballance all out.

And DO NOT listen toa web site , or peter or paul when it comes down to Tyre temp and PSI either dude, find out directly from the tyre manufacturer them selves, ther are designed by a scientist for a reason

[steveyb]

Can the moderators close down this thread?

I am sick and tired of having to turn on my computer, load up my browser, log on to KB, find the thread and regularly read all of the latest postings about this drivel.

Sick of it I tell you......

[Shaun Harris]

Can the moderators close down this thread?

I am sick and tired of having to turn on my computer, load up my browser, log on to KB, find the thread and regularly read all of the latest postings about this drivel.

Sick of it I tell you......









PS, giz a go on ya bike one day PLEASE SIR








easy peasey Steve, look after your computer better by never turning it off and over working it be re loading all the info each time

[merv]

Can the moderators close down this thread?

I am sick and tired of having to turn on my computer, load up my browser, log on to KB, find the thread and regularly read all of the latest postings about this drivel.

Sick of it I tell you......

What, the thread opens itself and forces you to read it?

[steveyb]

Heh, it doesn't you?

[Shaun Harris]

Heh, it doesn't you?





you can fek off now

[scrivy]

Can the moderators close down this thread?

I am sick and tired of having to turn on my computer, load up my browser, log on to KB, find the thread and regularly read all of the latest postings about this drivel.

Sick of it I tell you......

Heh heh heh............ there's another unsuspecting sucker............... :yes:;)
Its a feckin sidecar thread, therefore all that's written is pure bullshit!! :shutup::facepalm::shit:

Ye 'ol sidecar bullshit talk.............!!!

Read by thousands, ignored by them all............... :yes::pinch::facepalm:

[Drew]

Did plenty of laps today, and the chair went mint.

Here's hoping it's sorted.:headbang:

[Shaun Harris]

Did plenty of laps today, and the chair went mint.

Here's hoping it's sorted.:headbang:





awsome man well done. Do you KNOW exactually what was the drama, or just lot of parts changed

[Edbear]

Did plenty of laps today, and the chair went mint.

Here's hoping it's sorted.:headbang:

Persistence and perseverance will get you there in the end. Or was that get you in the end. .. :rockon:

[Drew]

awsome man well done. Do you KNOW exactually what was the drama, or just lot of parts changed
I know nothing.

[Shaun Harris]

I know nothing.



carry on SHULTZ

[Drew]

IT'S FIXED!!!!

Finally got the old girl running properly, thank God. Turns out it was the fuel pump. We had tested it early in the piece, and discounted it because it primed more than the minimum and ran at spot on the proper pressures. Turns out though, that whoever mounted it hadn't used petrol friendly rubber as a gasket. So it had gone brittle and fallen apart, leaving a black sand like substance in the tank, internal filter, and pump.

It has never gone as well as it does now, and I used to think it was fast considering it's pedigree. It's a bloody rocket ship now.

Huge thanks to everyone who has helped and offered advice. We were getting less and less enthusiastic every time we took out of the truck, with the season we'd had.

[Shaun Harris]

IT'S FIXED!!!!

Finally got the old girl running properly, thank God. Turns out it was the fuel pump. We had tested it early in the piece, and discounted it because it primed more than the minimum and ran at spot on the proper pressures. Turns out though, that whoever mounted it hadn't used petrol friendly rubber as a gasket. So it had gone brittle and fallen apart, leaving a black sand like substance in the tank, internal filter, and pump.

It has never gone as well as it does now, and I used to think it was fast considering it's pedigree. It's a bloody rocket ship now.

Huge thanks to everyone who has helped and offered advice. We were getting less and less enthusiastic every time we took out of the truck, with the season we'd had.













Now you found some one to fix it for ya, guess you will be looking for some one to teach you how to guide it now

[scrivy]

Now you found some one to fix it for ya, guess you will be looking for some one to teach you how to guide it now

Nope. He further up that ladder than you give him credit for......
It's a monster now. He's all good!

Watch out some of the established teams!

[Shaun Harris]

Nope. He further up that ladder than you give him credit for......
It's a monster now. He's all good!

Watch out some of the established teams!











Just like givin him shit man, I am sure he will be very handy on it

[Drew]

Just like givin him shit man, I am sure he will be very handy on itWe'll get there. Still learning to ride it for now.

Be good to see you get one out there, it does a solo riders head in as often as not I think.

[Edbear]

We'll get there. Still learning to ride it for now.

Be good to see you get one out there, it does a solo riders head in as often as not I think.

When's the next outing? I bet you're itching to race!

[Drew]

When's the next outing? I bet you're itching to race!October :weep: .

[Shaun Harris]

We'll get there. Still learning to ride it for now.

Be good to see you get one out there, it does a solo riders head in as often as not I think.









You will do fine man. I wish I could get out there again also, but that will only ever happen in my dream world mate

[Edbear]

October :weep: .

I feel your pain! :no:

[Drew]

You will do fine man. I wish I could get out there again also, but that will only ever happen in my dream world mate

Why? $6,500 gets you a proper race ready, slightly outdated chair. All the moving parts have just been serviced or replaced on it. It's a bit on the porky side, but there is weight to shed easily for someone with a half decent workshop.

Some people seem to think the Agip bike should be left as Mo built it. I reckon that makes it worthless. It can be competitive again.

Chuck an 04 R1 up it, and shed 40-50 kilos and it'd be as good or better than ours. Sounds like a lot of weight to drop, but if you see how it's built you would understand.

[scrivy]

Why? $6,500 gets you a proper race ready, slightly outdated chair. All the moving parts have just been serviced or replaced on it. It's a bit on the porky side, but there is weight to shed easily for someone with a half decent workshop.

Some people seem to think the Agip bike should be left as Mo built it. I reckon that makes it worthless. It can be competitive again.

Chuck an 04 R1 up it, and shed 40-50 kilos and it'd be as good or better than ours. Sounds like a lot of weight to drop, but if you see how it's built you would understand.

Dunno if it's worth $6,500, but you could easily shed 30-40 kgs with some new tubes (instead of the fukn steam pipe it has....), and yes, it would be in the hunt again....
Dunno if it could beat Drew though......

[Drew]

Dunno if it could beat Drew though......People watching this are gonna think you've been into the gnome's discarded psycotropic drugs, when they finally see us finish a full meeting.

[scrivy]

People watching this are gonna think you've been into the gnome's discarded psycotropic drugs, when they finally see us finish a full meeting.

I think it's more to do with the fear of being thrown into your dungeon and brutally $@%#ed and %#@%ed by you and Al..... that I'd rather praise you and be on your side..... :hug:

[Drew]

I think it's more to do with the fear of being thrown into your dungeon and brutally $@%#ed and %#@%ed by you and Al..... that I'd rather praise you and be on your side..... :hug:

What are you on about? You walked up and gave Al $200 to perform that service for you!

[Fast Eddie]

Some people seem to think the Agip bike should be left as Mo built it.

Yip..


I reckon that makes it worthless.

That makes me a bit sad man, nevermind. :)

Some people don't get it, but a lot do..

[Fast Eddie]

Dunno if it's worth $6,500

Worth more than a one that's been folded in half by a shipping container?

[Drew]

Yip..



That makes me a bit sad man, nevermind. :)

Some people don't get it, but a lot do..The guy was an icon in New Zealand and within sidecar circles, and more. Sure. But let's be honest. How many people really want a collection piece that that big, and is too heavy to hang on any domestic wall without it collapsing?

He built it as a race bike, keep the historical stuff you've got and evolve the thing into a useable machine. Document everything you do to it, and someone with the inclination can restore it later.

What's the difference to the brake and suspension upgrades it's had already?

Back on track though, go put the right fittings in your fuel pump and come racing fuck ya.

[Drew]

Here's a link to an action shot that I like from Taupo.

https://flic.kr/p/nBmGSs

[scrivy]

Here's a link to an action shot that I like from Taupo.

https://flic.kr/p/nBmGSs

Dude.... same corner....

297234

[Shaun Harris]

Dude.... same corner....

297234






yea but at least your front wheel was looking to be tracking in the correct direction

[Drew]

yea but at least your front wheel was looking to be tracking in the correct direction

Think you'll find it's the rear wheel of ours that's not tracking in exactly the direction we're traveling. It's how to keep the mid corner speed up, and the chair wheel down.

[Shaun Harris]

Think you'll find it's the rear wheel of ours that's not tracking in exactly the direction we're traveling. It's how to keep the mid corner speed up, and the chair wheel down.






Yea yea youre making it up as you go along man

[Drew]

Yea yea youre making it up as you go along man

If you're talking about how I ride it, then yes. I'm trying different stuff all the time.

If you mean I'm just along for the ride, and making shit up to cover for it...you might be onto something there too.

[Shaun Harris]

If you're talking about how I ride it, then yes. I'm trying different stuff all the time.

If you mean I'm just along for the ride, and making shit up to cover for it...you might be onto something there too.






haha fuked if I know what I mean dude, just typing shit filling in a lot of time of have on my hands these days

[nodrog]

haha fuked if I know what I mean dude, just typing shit filling in a lot of time of have on my hands these days

Get a job.

[Shaun Harris]

Get a job.








NOT allowed one untill ACC decide what they are going to do with me and my back problems. Surgeons have said they could operate and either fix me or leave me in a wheel chair the rest of my life, so every one is in a difficult decision stage

[Mental Trousers]

NOT allowed one untill ACC decide what they are going to do with me and my back problems. Surgeons have said they could operate and either fix me or leave me in a wheel chair the rest of my life, so every one is in a difficult decision stage

Is there an operation that'll stop you talking shit?? We'll pass a hat around for that one if there is. Have you sorted in a week max.

[Shaun Harris]

Is there an operation that'll stop you talking shit?? We'll pass a hat around for that one if there is. Have you sorted in a week max.







haha I enjoy laughing at some of yours also man

[nodrog]

Is there an operation that'll stop you talking shit?? We'll pass a hat around for that one if there is. Have you sorted in a week max.

I've got $50 for somebody to go around to his house and turn his computer off, forever.

[Shaun Harris]

I've got $50 for somebody to go around to his house and turn his computer off, forever.







I Joined the libary just in case of that happening dude

[Drew]

Time to finish the work on the chair, in preparation of the upcoming season. New mounts for the body work, fixed tail light (it's oversize, but I'll kick anyone who protests it in the crotch) since we've fucked three bicycle ones. Aaaaaaand a crap load of bog and a little paint to make her look purdy.

[scrivy]

and a little paint to make her look purdy.

Nancy boys..... :love:

[Mental Trousers]

Time to finish the work on the chair, in preparation of the upcoming season. New mounts for the body work, fixed tail light (it's oversize, but I'll kick anyone who protests it in the crotch) since we've fucked three bicycle ones. Aaaaaaand a crap load of bog and a little paint to make her look purdy.

What's wrong with taping or covering over part of the light so it's the correct size?



and a little paint to make her look purdy.

Nancy boys..... :love:

Aren't you riding the Pinkie?

[scrivy]

Aren't you riding the Pinkie?

That's why I added the love smiley........ ;)

I'll give it, but I certainly won't take it - that would be gay......:eek5:

[Drew]

What's wrong with taping or covering over part of the light so it's the correct size?




That would work. This one matches FIM sidecar spec size, so it's the same as an F1 car.

[Drew]

Nancy boys..... :love:

Love you too...ya sick fuck.

[nodrog]

That would work. This one matches FIM sidecar spec size, so it's the same as an F1 car.

What the fuck would FIM know? MNZ is where its at.

[scrivy]

MNZ is where its at.

Mutant Ninja Zombies?

[Kickaha]

That would work. This one matches FIM sidecar spec size, so it's the same as an F1 car.

What did you get and where from? battery powered or hardwired?

[scrivy]

Love you too...ya sick fuck.


Says the one that loves me...;)

[Drew]

What did you get and where from? battery powered or hardwired?

I dunno where it came from. Al scrounged it from somewhere.

It's not a race specific thing, has input for two levels of brightness.

Hard wired, we'll just plug it in when required.

[Fast Eddie]

What did you get and where from? battery powered or hardwired?

the one on the windle and agip are the F1 style FIA size red lights - think it was 25 bucks and you got 2 plus the controller to make it flash if you want, or just have it solid on..

So far they both seem to be doing well on both bikes, they take a beating with stones and shit getting flicked up from the rear tyre but so far no damage and being LED they draw f-all from the battery/elec system

[Drew]

Thread dredge time again.

We had a good weekend at the Barry Sheene, but the handling was terrible because of poor weight distribution. So with the intention of moving the motor forward 50mm, we got the old girl up on the stands and started work.

"AHHHHHH FOR FUCK SAKES"!

Removed the back wheel, to investigate a bit of brake rotor movement I noticed when Steve scrutinized the bike on Friday. It slides onto the hub/axle and locates with a big chunky keyway. But, the tiny tolerance required to allow it to slide on and off at wheel change time has turned into quite a bit of a tolerance. Hit the brakes, and the disk goes on the piss and starts eating it's way through the calliper mounting plate.

So that system is flawed, meaning we're not interested in the slightest in repairing it. Redesign time...again. So we're having a new hub made by a pretty fancy engineering outfit, which could run us to the tune of a thousand bucks. Since it's a one off custom, we have ordered a couple of shiney new supalite style wheels.

New system is a tad different to anything we've seen. The rear rotor is going to be on the left of the wheel, outside the swinging arm on a spline. Then we're making the right hand side of the swinging arm removable and should be able to change the rear wheel in under five minutes, instead of the half hour it takes now.

Because there is now a bloody great disk outside the swinging arm, it means the shock can't stay where it is though. This is a GOOD thing! So I grabbed a K8 Gixxer thou shock I had lying around, and it's getting mounted in the middle under my seat. Along with dog bones and linkage arm. There's a slight chance it's gonna detract from our launch capabilities, but it's adjustable all over the show and springs are cheap.

Right, that's the rear sorted. Decided it was time to replace the front brake pads, so out came the front wheel.

"ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME, DOES THIS SHIT EVER END"?!!!

Up until the weekend been, the chair's never run full strength and we've never really had a proper race. With those things rectified, the front brakes have been twisting and contorting on their mounting plate too. In fact, the only thing stopping the main calliper ripping the torque arm right out of it's mounts was the emergency calliper coming hard up against the disk...the calliper, not the pads.

Right, I am 100% correct when I've been saying that a torque arm is how to get the suspension to do it's thing when braking. I don't wanna hear any of you nay sayers refuting that. Now however, I don't give a fuck! I need brakes I can trust to stay where the fuck we put them. So I bored a 25mm hole through the front swinging arm, and welded a bit of bar (yeah yeah, hehehehe) with a 10mm hole through it in there. A high tensile bolt then goes through that and straight into the calliper mounting hole. It's gonna bind up the suspension under brakes, but it's never gonna fucken move!

Worked for Scrivy for decades, and I'm better than that old cunt anyway.

So you're up to speed on the new work/upgrades. I'll post some pics on Sunday when I get back into the shed and continue the work.

[Kickaha]

New system is a tad different to anything we've seen. The rear rotor is going to be on the left of the wheel, outside the swinging arm on a spline. Then we're making the right hand side of the swinging arm removable and should be able to change the rear wheel in under five minutes, instead of the half hour it takes now.

Have you looked at the setup on Rick's Sidecar

Disc in inboard on the left, caliper mounted to the swingarm, sprocket split for easy changes and right hand swingarm unbolts with two cap screws at the front and the axle nut at the back then wheel unbolts from hub

[Drew]

Have you looked at the setup on Rick's Sidecar

Disc in inboard on the left, caliper mounted to the swingarm, sprocket split for easy changes and right hand swingarm unbolts with two cap screws at the front and the axle nut at the back then wheel unbolts from hubYeah, saw that. But I quite like the disk not jammed on the inside. This way we can change sprockets only slightly slower than a wheel change.

[Edbear]

Yeah, saw that. But I quite like the disk not jammed on the inside. This way we can change sprockets only slightly slower than a wheel change.

A real Captain Cook's hammer by the time you've finished, mate! Just wish I could do a bit more to help.

[Drew]

A real Captain Cook's hammer by the time you've finished, mate! Just wish I could do a bit more to help.
You've done plenty mate.

Here's the pics of the new shit.

[Mental Trousers]

You boys are going to be pro's at building chairs soon.

[scrivy]

Here's the pics of the new shit.
Hey Drew, whats gunna stop that shock top bracket from twisting (rolling) when its compressed? It looks too light for the weight and load its gunna be subjected too?
But what would I know... I just ride them, aint no engineer, and usually just talk shit....;)

[Drew]

Hey Drew, whats gunna stop that shock top bracket from twisting (rolling) when its compressed? It looks too light for the weight and load its gunna be subjected too?
But what would I know... I just ride them, aint no engineer, and usually just talk shit....;)Yeah mate, it's light for the task. So it's getting straps down to another bit of angle at the base of the shock. Inside the piece at the top I have put gussets (hehehe, gusset) where the two bits that the shock mounts to go.

Here it is all mounted with just the straps left to go in.

[nodrog]

where does your ballbag go now?

[Kickaha]

where does your ballbag go now?

On the passenger platform where he's always been

[Drew]

On the passenger platform where he's always beenI'm loving your talk mate, gonna make it that much sweeter next month old boy.

[Drew]

Went with box (he he he, box) instead of flat bar for the support.

Wheels should arrive tomorrow and the engineer can get started on the axle.

I'll start on a lay shaft with a couple sprockets on it to make the chain run in a fashion that doesn't have to be over tight with a shit ton of drag. Couple that with the weight reduction in the rear wheel/hub/axle, and this bad boy is gonna pull noticeably better than it did before.

Can't fucken wait till Suzuki series!

[Edbear]

Yeah mate, it's light for the task. So it's getting straps down to another bit of angle at the base of the shock. Inside the piece at the top I have put gussets (hehehe, gusset) where the two bits that the shock mounts to go.

Here it is all mounted with just the straps left to go in.

I hope you asked Jodie before stealing her gusset...:innocent:

[jellywrestler]

I hope you asked Jodie before smelling her gusset...:innocent:

say what ????????????

[Drew]

It's her knickers she gets upset with me using.

[Edbear]

It's her knickers she gets upset with me using.

Yeah, as oil rags they lack something...:blink:

[scrivy]

It's her knickers she gets upset with me using.

Can't do fuck all with dental floss......

[scrivy]

Went with box (he he he, box) instead of flat bar for the support.

Wheels should arrive tomorrow and the engineer can get started on the axle.

I'll start on a lay shaft with a couple sprockets on it to make the chain run in a fashion that doesn't have to be over tight with a shit ton of drag. Couple that with the weight reduction in the rear wheel/hub/axle, and this bad boy is gonna pull noticeably better than it did before.

Can't fucken wait till Suzuki series!

You're a clever cunt alright Drew.

[Fast Eddie]

You're a cunt alright Drew.

Fixed that for you buddy..

Where are the photos of these rims mayn? Hope they are 20" spinners

[Drew]

Fixed that for you buddy..

Where are the photos of these rims mayn? Hope they are 20" spinners

Will post up pics with hoops fitted tomorrow. They just look like supalites.

[scracha]

Blah blah blah.

Is Frankencane 2.0's frame welded up yet?

[Drew]

Blah blah blah.

Is Frankencane 2.0's frame welded up yet?
No progress at all. Bite me.

Here's our new wheels. They look pretty cool methinks.

[Mental Trousers]

They're a bit bloody flash aren't they?

[Kickaha]

Here's our new wheels. They look pretty cool methinks.
They do, hard to tell from that angle but they also look like those wheels that are right fucking shit to change tyres on due to the deep well

[Drew]

They do, hard to tell from that angle but they also look like those wheels that are right fucking shit to change tyres on due to the deep well

Possibly they are. Luke didn't mention it though.

The 10inch slick looks spot on, on the 9 inch rim. Pretty sure that it's gonna help tyres wear in a better shape too.

[Kickaha]

The 10inch slick looks spot on, on the 9 inch rim. Pretty sure that it's gonna help tyres wear in a better shape too.
Avon say anywhere from a 9 -11 inch rim, generally they're used on a 10 inch wide, what width was the old rim?

[Drew]

Avon say anywhere from a 9 -11 inch rim, generally they're used on a 10 inch wide, what width was the old rim?

Old one was 10. But we got heaps of shoulder wear.

The 9 should add some sidewall stability too, which should add traction out of left hand turns

[Stirts]

Oh my, what fabulous rims you have

[old rig]

Oh my, what fabulous rims you have

he has a great rim job there

[Kickaha]

Old one was 10. But we got heaps of shoulder wear.

The 9 should add some sidewall stability too, which should add traction out of left hand turns

Shoulder wear on the inside is normal, even on the LCR which runs neutral to positive camber on the rear

Yoko used to say to run an 11 inch wide wheel for the 250 wide rear

[Drew]

Shoulder wear on the inside is normal, even on the LCR which runs neutral to positive camber on the rear

Yoko used to say to run an 11 inch wide wheel for the 250 wide rearWe're currently got one of the Yokis you gave us on the rear. Guess we're about to find out if they were right.

[sidecar bob]

Old one was 10. But we got heaps of shoulder wear.

The 9 should add some sidewall stability too, which should add traction out of left hand turns

We turn pinkys rear tyre over when it's about 3/4 worn because of inner shoulder wear. The whole job only takes about ten minutes though including remove & refit of wheel.

[Drew]

We turn pinkys rear tyre over when it's about 3/4 worn because of inner shoulder wear. The whole job only takes about ten minutes though including remove & refit of wheel.

We get pretty even shoulder wear. That might change with the new shock and subsequent geometry changes.

[sidecar bob]

We get pretty even shoulder wear. That might change with the new shock and subsequent geometry changes.

I recall you got quite a bit of air box wear a while back too. Hopefully this will help that too.

[Drew]

I recall you got quite a bit of air box wear a while back too. Hopefully this will help that too.

Aren't you meant to be taking your lovely wife to dinner?

[sidecar bob]

Aren't you meant to be taking your lovely wife to dinner?

Yeah, & I'm fuckin paying too, I'm not as good with a nerf gun as a nine year old. Good diversion though.

[Drew]

Yeah, & I'm fuckin paying too. Good diversion though.

Are you hoping I'm overthinking our improvements, and gonna go slow enough next time out for you to keep up?

[sidecar bob]

Are you hoping I'm overthinking our improvements, and gonna go slow enough next time out for you to keep up?

Unfortunately, or possibly fortunately, we gave a promising sidecar rider a go on pinky last weekend. Net result, bent selector fork in the fantastic little stock engine that hasn't been out since we have owned it. That means I will need to fit the fully race kitted ex IOM engine that's been in the shed at work. Scrivy also wants better front pads. Nek time bro. :niceone:

[Drew]

Unfortunately, or possibly fortunately, we gave a promising sidecar rider a go on pinky last weekend. Net result, bent selector fork in the fantastic little stock engine that hasn't been out since we have owned it. That means I will need to fit the fully race kitted ex IOM engine that's been in the shed at work. Scrivy also wants better front pads. Nek time bro. :niceone:

It's on like donkey Kong! Primo. We can both hunt down the pirate and make a race of it!

[Drew]

Brembo sexy goodness!

[sidecar bob]

Brembo sexy goodness!

How the fuck is that going to help anything? It's operated by the wrong limb.

[Drew]

How the fuck is that going to help anything? It's operated by the wrong limb.

Actually, it's just there because it's the only remote res master cylinder I had and the other style foul the fairing at full lock.

I can't get the idea of modulating brake bias with the hand operated critter. That Brembo is actually the right size to drive the massive Willwood we have up the front.

[sidecar bob]

Brembo sexy goodness!


Actually, it's just there because it's the only remote res master cylinder I had and the other style foul the fairing at full lock.

I can't get the idea of modulating brake bias with the hand operated critter. That Brembo is actually the right size to drive the massive Willwood we have up the front.

So you're only hand operated on the front?

[Drew]

So you're only hand operated on the front?

Na. Two masters on the foot brake, one operates the big brake up front. The Brembo just works the emergency at the moment.

[nodrog]

..... The Brembo just works the emergency at the moment.

Have you fitted one to Al's ejector seat?

[Drew]

Have you fitted one to Al's ejector seat?I wonder, is there mention in the rules about a brake operated by the passenger?

We mounted one to the pitbike sidecar chair wheel, for tight left turns.

[nodrog]

I wonder, is there mention in the rules about a brake operated by the passenger?

We mounted one to the pitbike sidecar chair wheel, for tight left turns.

Ive seen one mounted to one of the kids ones at manfield.

[Drew]

Did you break it?

[nodrog]

Did you break it?

no, I had to stay 50 feet away.

[Drew]

no, I had to stay 50 feet away.

This comes as no surprise to me.

[Kickaha]

Have you fitted one to Al's ejector seat?
I think he needs one of those airbag jackets to soften his landing more

[Drew]

Lay shaft and primary chain sussed.

[sidecar bob]

Dude that short chain is going to wear very fast due to having bugger all rest time & having to wrap around such small sprockets. Basically, just pack a couple of spares & watch it fairly hard.

[Drew]

Dude that short chain is going to wear very fast due to having bugger all rest time & having to wrap around such small sprockets. Basically, just pack a couple of spares & watch it fairly hard.

Yeah, will do. Got a good supply of chain too. Wrapped around 18 tooth sprockets, we went as big as possible.

[sidecar bob]

I see it's not o ring. The primary on my Norton appears similar quality & it seizes with only about 50hp going through it. Might be worth going to flash as chain, you will get three or four of those out of a standard bike chain.

[swarfie]

Yeah, will do. Got a good supply of chain too. Wrapped around 18 tooth sprockets, we went as big as possible.

Don't be using no cheap industrial shit. That chain doesn't look particularly heavy duty...I'm with Bob...that setup is short lived. Good luck with that.

[sidecar bob]

Poor cunt posts up his great work & every cunt pulls it to bits. We're only trying to make sure you don't fuck out bro.

[Grumph]

Don't be using no cheap industrial shit. That chain doesn't look particularly heavy duty...I'm with Bob...that setup is short lived. Good luck with that.

+1....i also hope the layshaft bearing is the biggest fuck-off double row ball you could fit in. Is there enough room to enclose it and run it in oil ? It's gonna need a guard anyway.

I remember you were talking on other threads about chain pull geometry. Looking at that you've either got a deeper than std sump so have had to raise the motor - in which case I can see why you've done it - or you've simply built the longest short bike known to man...

[Mental Trousers]

I think it's great feedback. Unlike a lot of other comments you get around this clown-show these are actually useful.