Key Government out on its own. No one else to blame!

[blue rider]

comedy

:)

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/columnists/66223955/odds-stacked-against-skycity


The odds seem to be stacked against those, like SkyCity, at the bottom of the corporate heap.

I've heard that children of SkyCity executives are turning up at their Auckland private schools without having had a decent cafe breakfast. At playtime the kids have to fill their bottles with tap water.

Even worse, Auckland's rising housing market has forced out some executives from Remuera and Herne Bay into nearby ghetto suburbs such as Meadowbank and Westmere, forcing their children to attend decile 9 schools.

The pain is not just being felt in Auckland.

I hear one or two large-scale dairy farmers have actually been forced to pay a bit of tax this year. The worst thing about corporate inequality is the social stigma that the "have nots" like SkyCity must endure.

When SkyCity politely asked the taxpayer for a top-up they were met with a FeroCity of criticism from Kiwis who couldn't believe the AudaCity of a massively wealthy corporation asking for a government SubCity.

But SkyCity is not just a business. As their television PubliCity shows, it is a community, charity and a business - employing people of different EthniCity - rolled into one.

SkyCity simply uses money it makes from gambling and bars to fund charities to help combat social evils like gambling addiction and alcoholism.

And Prime Minister John Key was dead right to warn New Zealanders that without the state top-up, the convention centre would be an eyesore, which will be rebranded as SkySore.

That's a pity because as any architect knows, some of the world's most beautiful buildings are convention centres.

That's why tourists flock to Guangzhou, Ottawa and Houston just to see them. Imagine Wellington without the gorgeous Winter Show Buildings, Queens Wharf Events Centre or Renouf Foyer in the Michael Fowler Centre.

Sadly, journalist Mike Hosking, who freely admits his previous commercial links with SkyCity in a disclaimer on his column, was the lone voice to demonstrate the public benefits of SkySore.

[oldrider]

How come nobody bats an eye when farmers fall on hard times (drought) and ask for government assistance but when SkyCity hits a hard patch - no quarter is given?

[MisterD]

How come nobody bats an eye when farmers fall on hard times (drought) and ask for government assistance but when SkyCity hits a hard patch - no quarter is given?

The assistance Farmers get is the usually the deferral of tax payments and in extreme cases assistance with living costs for their family...not a hand out to build a bigger milking shed.

[Oscar]

The assistance Farmers get is the usually the deferral of tax payments and in extreme cases assistance with living costs for their family...not a hand out to build a bigger milking shed.



That's just not cricket - don't be using facts to disprove his long held prejuidices.

[Akzle]

no quarter asked! nor given!

stand and deliver, sir!

[Brian d marge]

no quarter asked! nor given!

stand and deliver, sir!
wouldnt mind an 8th though

[Akzle]

wouldnt mind an 8th though

you can borrow mine.

But it'll cost ya,
7/32ths.

[Brian d marge]

you can borrow mine.

But it'll cost ya,
7/32ths.
ill bring billy bong thorton and some pizza

[Akzle]

its a date.

Except, get me a knife.

[oldrider]

its a date.

Except, get me a knife.

Ask Mac for a lend of his! :niceone:

[Brian d marge]

Ask Mac for a lend of his! :niceone:
oh very good hahaha

[Banditbandit]

So .. Bill English thinks a $1 surplus in the budget would be "meaningful" ...

So much for national's economic management and promises of a $297,000 surplus this year ..

https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/26352872/one-dollar-bills-meaningful-surplus-robertson/

[mashman]

So .. Bill English thinks a $1 surplus in the budget would be "meaningful" ...

So much for national's economic management and promises of a $297,000 surplus this year ..

https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/26352872/one-dollar-bills-meaningful-surplus-robertson/

One Dollar Bill eh :laugh:... give that man a 269,999,999 bonus.

[Brian d marge]

well if the police and other community services start charging . .and we trim the pensions either by taxing essentials either directly or by shrinkflation
sell the south island to the chinese
Yes i think a surplus is viable

[Akzle]

well if the police and other community services start charging . .and we trim the pensions either by taxing essentials either directly or by shrinkflation
sell the south island to the chinese
Yes i think a surplus is viable

you realise auckland is in the north island right???


but then... unstuck is in the south.

tough call, tough call.

:bleh:

[blue rider]

you realise auckland is in the north island right???


but then... unstuck is in the south.

tough call, tough call.

:bleh:


We sell the south island to the chinese and approve political asylum for Unstuck...we could relocate him to Norfland....he could declare independence :)

[Brian d marge]

you realise auckland is in the north island right???


but then... unstuck is in the south.

tough call, tough call.

:bleh:
they are on the march south
which is a good thing really those chinese birds are a lot more betterer than the toothless heffalumps currently in rolleston and hornby

[oldrider]

John Key - TPPA prime minister in New Zealand - where America goes - automatically goes John Key - Unfortunately we (NZ) have to go with him! :oi-grr: Bad move JK!

[Akzle]

John Key - TPPA prime minister in New Zealand - where America goes - automatically goes John Key - Unfortunately we (NZ) have to go with him! :oi-grr: Bad move JK!

and everyones too busy not-giving-a-fuck to shoot the cunt.

tsktsk.

[Brian d marge]

and everyones too busy not-giving-a-fuck to shoot the cunt.

tsktsk.
I ve recieved weaponary from the states and will be through nz sometime next year
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/23/452d0867f42bf89799502f9dfbefe1ac.jpg


ANNOUNCEMENT

The English are feeling the pinch in relation to recent terrorist threats and have therefore raised their security level from "Miffed" to "Peeved."

Soon, though, security levels may be raised yet again to "Irritated" or even "A Bit Cross." The English have not been "A Bit Cross" since the blitz in 1940 when tea supplies nearly ran out. Terrorists have been re-categorized from "Tiresome" to "A Bloody Nuisance." The last time the British issued a "Bloody Nuisance" warning level was in 1588, when threatened by the Spanish Armada.

The Scots have raised their threat level from "Pissed Off" to "Let's get the Bastards." They don't have any other levels. This is the reason they have been used on the front line of the British army for the last 300 years.

The French government announced yesterday that it has raised its terror alert level from "Run" to "Hide." The only two higher levels in France are "Collaborate" and "Surrender." The rise was precipitated by a recent fire that destroyed France's white flag factory, effectively paralyzing the country's military capability.

Italy has increased the alert level from "Shout Loudly and Excitedly" to "Elaborate Military Posturing." Two more levels remain: "Ineffective Combat Operations" and "Change Sides."

The Germans have increased their alert state from "Disdainful Arrogance" to "Dress in Uniform and Sing Marching Songs." They also have two higher levels: "Invade a Neighbor" and "Lose."

Belgians, on the other hand, are all on holiday as usual; the only threat they are worried about is NATO pulling out of Brussels.

The Spanish are all excited to see their new submarines ready to deploy. These beautifully designed subs have glass bottoms so the new Spanish navy can get a really good look at the old Spanish navy.

Americans meanwhile and as usual are carrying out pre-emptive strikes, on all of their allies, just in case.

And in the southern hemisphere...

New Zealand has also raised its security levels - from "baaa" to "BAAAA!". Due to continuing defense cutbacks (the airforce being a squadron of spotty teenagers flying paper aeroplanes and the navy some toy boats in the Prime Minister's bath), New Zealand only has one more level of escalation, which is "I hope Australia will come and rescue us".

Australia, meanwhile, has raised its security level from "No worries" to "She'll be right, mate". Three more escalation levels remain: "Crikey!', "I think we'll need to cancel the barbie this weekend" and "The barbie is cancelled". So far no situation has ever warranted use of the final escalation level.

[mashman]

lollies

:laugh:... Nought much like a good stereotype

[Akzle]

:laugh:... Nought much like a good stereotype
except for.... 10 of em.

[blue rider]

the legacy Flag of our esteemed Dear Leader.
https://scontent-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11000351_10153161862142022_8897723170653406167_n.j pg?oh=c60f5efec21ffa71781a325a4b13f842&oe=554DB5B8

[blue rider]

chickenhawk squeeking and the 101st Keyboard brigade is masturbating over Dear Leaders verbal ejaculations

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10944712_910646225653071_7277845098443765784_n.jpg ?oh=e86671be31307ec36886834e0c16a957&oe=558A7CB7&__gda__=1435038941_48b09d6136aa5d5cbf1a7936eb16c72 a

because some atrocities are more atrocious than others.

[pritch]

When I saw Key's impassioned performance I had cause to wonder, if he feels that strongly about it, which of his kids is he sending?

[oldrider]

chickenhawk squeeking and the 101st Keyboard brigade is masturbating over Dear Leaders verbal ejaculations

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10944712_910646225653071_7277845098443765784_n.jpg ?oh=e86671be31307ec36886834e0c16a957&oe=558A7CB7&__gda__=1435038941_48b09d6136aa5d5cbf1a7936eb16c72 a

because some atrocities are more atrocious than others.

My sentiments exactly - selective theatrics for the benefit of his first loyalties - (the USA of Israel?) - pick me pick me for membership of the club! :not:

[Scuba_Steve]

When I saw Key's impassioned performance I had cause to wonder, if he feels that strongly about it, which of his kids is he sending?

I say bring back the old, where leaders led the attack, upfront & centre... see how keen they are on war then

[Brian d marge]

My sentiments exactly - selective theatrics for the benefit of his first loyalties - (the USA of Israel?) - pick me pick me for membership of the club! :not:
wonder who will be the next one after jk is voted out


and will the next one repeal any of jks crimes . . . no me thinks

[Akzle]

chickenhawk squeeking and the 101st Keyboard brigade is masturbating over Dear Leaders verbal ejaculations

[IMG]

because some atrocities are more atrocious than others.
RBJIAFP!

I say bring back the old, where leaders led the attack, upfront & centre... see how keen they are on war then

agree completely. once upon a time, leaders led. kings earned their position by not making fucking stupid decisions, and wore the full brunt of it either way.

[Fatt Max]

Bring back Internet Mana, a fat German bastard and a stroppy little sooty....great combination that

[Voltaire]

Bring back Internet Mana, a fat German bastard and a stroppy little sooty....great combination that

Thought you were going to suggest a park up in Bagdad.

[blue rider]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEfiDFSqHQw


he raises a valid question


but then as always when push comes to shove the PM can't remember anyways

btw. the man was army NZ and for the Sultan of Oman :), so maybe we can assume that he knows a thing or too.

[yokel]

https://consciousshift2012.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/terrorist.png

[Brian d marge]

https://consciousshift2012.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/terrorist.png
dont be too surprised if the stench comes from Israel

[puddytat]

John Key.....Lord of the Flies

http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2015/02/25/sharpening-the-stick-at-both-ends-lord-of-the-flies-comes-to-parliament/

[yokel]

dont be too surprised if the stench comes from Israel

if there was a image of a Zionist Jew's had up uncle Sam's arse with uncle Sam's hand up a terrorist arse I'd post that.
looks like uncle Sam has his other hand up John keys....... well you get the picture.

[mashman]

if there was a image of a Zionist Jew's had up uncle Sam's arse with uncle Sam's hand up a terrorist arse I'd post that.
looks like uncle Sam has his other hand up John keys....... well you get the picture.

Isn't that what the shadow represents on the wall :shifty:

[oldrider]

Thought it might be timely to post this link:https://www.corbettreport.com/who-is-really-behind-isis-video/

It requires listening and thinking but you can refer to the links below to get a clearer picture of all the segments.

Now that Key has committed NZ to "participation" it creates a whole new ball game for us and this might help make it a bit clearer! (or not!) I hope that it is helpful.

[Banditbandit]

if there was a image of a Zionist Jew's had up uncle Sam's arse with uncle Sam's hand up a terrorist arse I'd post that.
looks like uncle Sam has his other hand up John keys....... well you get the picture.


https://aotearoaawiderperspective.wordpress.com/2014/10/16/is-john-key-an-american-will-you-help-us-find-out/


Given the lack of denial .. it makes me wonder ... IF DonKey has dual citizenship (does not break NZ electoral law) it makes me wonder in whose best interest is he committing New Zealand soldiers to fight and die on the US side? New Zealand's best interest of the US interests ...

All Key has to do is say No, I do not hold US citizenship ... (but he never has ...)

[oldrider]

https://aotearoaawiderperspective.wordpress.com/2014/10/16/is-john-key-an-american-will-you-help-us-find-out/


Given the lack of denial .. it makes me wonder ... IF DonKey has dual citizenship (does not break NZ electoral law) it makes me wonder in whose best interest is he committing New Zealand soldiers to fight and die on the US side? New Zealand's best interest of the US interests ...

All Key has to do is say No, I do not hold US citizenship ... (but he never has ...)

Because of birthright John Key automatically qualifies as an Israeli citizen should he take it up - so there is a chance that he holds three nationalities or citizenships?

Who then does he place at the top of his priority order of loyalty? - He only has to answer the question! - Why doesn't he? :rolleyes:

[Ocean1]

IF DonKey has dual citizenship (does not break NZ electoral law)

What does US law have to say about dual citizenship?

[Oscar]

Because of birthright John Key automatically qualifies as an Israeli citizen should he take it up - so there is a chance that he holds three nationalities or citizenships?

Who then does he place at the top of his priority order of loyalty? - He only has to answer the question! - Why doesn't he? :rolleyes:

Coz no one has been stupid enough to ask him?

[oldrider]

Coz no one has been stupid enough to ask him?

Really? https://aotearoaawiderperspective.wordpress.com/2014/10/16/is-john-key-an-american-will-you-help-us-find-out/

You obviously don't read well - Banditbandit raised this point in a post above!

[Oscar]

Really? https://aotearoaawiderperspective.wordpress.com/2014/10/16/is-john-key-an-american-will-you-help-us-find-out/

You obviously don't read well - Banditbandit raised this point in a post above!

Fuck me, do you read your OWN posts?

I was responding to your post, you twat.
You said he qualifies for THREE countries.

[oldrider]

Fuck me, do you read your OWN posts?

I was responding to your post, you twat.
You said he qualifies for THREE countries.

Whats to ask - he qualifies as a New Zealander by birth and if he chooses he qualifies automatically for Israel by being born of a Jew - which he has said he is!

With regards US citizenship - he has not answered that question when officially asked!

[mashman]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-u-j2pUsAAEu9U.jpg

[Oscar]

Whats to ask - he qualifies as a New Zealander by birth and if he chooses he qualifies automatically for Israel by being born of a Jew - which he has said he is!

With regards US citizenship - he has not answered that question when officially asked!

So what?

A goodly proportion of citizens in NZ have the automatic right to become citizens of the UK by dint of their parentage.
There would be more than a few who qualfy for Aussie, European and South Pacific citizenship.
Several of our MP's were born in Australia, the UK and the USA.
It wouldn't surprise me if some of those had dual-citizenship (as I have).

I have no doubt there are also plenty of people in NZ that qualify for Israeli citizenship.
So what?

Why does he have to answer the question?

[oldrider]

So what?

A goodly proportion of citizens in NZ have the automatic right to become citizens of the UK by dint of their parentage.
There would be more than a few who qualfy for Aussie, European and South Pacific citizenship.
Several of our MP's were born in Australia, the UK and the USA.
It wouldn't surprise me if some of those had dual-citizenship (as I have).

I have no doubt there are also plenty of people in NZ that qualify for Israeli citizenship.
So what?

Why does he have to answer the question?

Because "he" is prime minister and the electorate has a right to know where his loyalties lie especially when he makes decisions that could "suggest" conflict of interest!

No other reason unless there is some standing law to the contrary - of which I make no claim to know!

The people who officially asked him the question deserve an answer - it seems politically foolish to me that he did not reply! - He surprised me with that!

[Oscar]

Because "he" is prime minister and the electorate has a right to know where his loyalties lie especially when he makes decisions that could "suggest" conflict of interest!



When you say "suggest" does that mean that it's not a suggestion, or is it irony, or is it that you have no idea how to use quotation marks?

Notwithstanding that, a look at the Electoral Act would have put your fevered mind at rest. Whereas a person with dual citizenship can stand for parliament, once elected, an MP cannot swear allegiance to any other foreign power.

See the case of Harry Duynhoven in 2003 - he nearly lost his seat.

[yokel]

https://aotearoaawiderperspective.wordpress.com/2014/10/16/is-john-key-an-american-will-you-help-us-find-out/


Given the lack of denial .. it makes me wonder ... IF DonKey has dual citizenship (does not break NZ electoral law) it makes me wonder in whose best interest is he committing New Zealand soldiers to fight and die on the US side? New Zealand's best interest of the US interests ...

All Key has to do is say No, I do not hold US citizenship ... (but he never has ...)


transparency and honesty go hand in hand, Donkey has none.
after Donkeys tirade the other day you dont have to wonder very hard who's interest he has at heart, if he indeed has one?
and telling the labour party to "get some guts" while using peer pressure to make them look gutless is just stupid, only gutless cunts fold under peer pressure.
who gives a fuck what everyone else is doing, we can decide whats best to do on our own.
why should NZ be part of yet another US blood bath.

http://youtu.be/MB1-UiUOjmE

[Banditbandit]

What does US law have to say about dual citizenship?


U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one nationality or another.

From http://travel.state.gov/content/travel/english/legal-considerations/us-citizenship-laws-policies/citizenship-and-dual-nationality/dual-nationality.html


So what?

A goodly proportion of citizens in NZ have the automatic right to become citizens of the UK by dint of their parentage.
There would be more than a few who qualfy for Aussie, European and South Pacific citizenship.
Several of our MP's were born in Australia, the UK and the USA.
It wouldn't surprise me if some of those had dual-citizenship (as I have).

I have no doubt there are also plenty of people in NZ that qualify for Israeli citizenship.
So what?

Why does he have to answer the question?


True - but given his decision to commit New Zealand soldiers and lives to the USA cause it does raise the possibility of a conflict of interest. If DonKey says "NO" to the question - there is no issue. If he says "Yes" there may well be an issue and his loyalty is in question.

I believe the electorate has a right to know the answer.

[awa355]

I would have thought there would be some public access to a database that lists or confirms all US citizenship applications/granted etc.

[Oscar]

I would have thought there would be some public access to a database that lists or confirms all US citizenship applications/granted etc.

Don't people accepting US citizenship have to renouce other allegiences?

[Fatt Max]

Thought you were going to suggest a park up in Bagdad.

No point cos there would be no media coverage..... Cos over there you have the telly-ban.....geddit geddit ..,

[Ocean1]

U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one nationality or another. ]

Not quite.


Candidates for US citizenship through naturalization are forced to renounce their previous citizenship at the United States naturalization ceremony.

The renouncing of one’s previous citizenship is part of the oath that new US citizens must take, and failing to honor that oath could result in the loss of citizenship in the United States.


From: http://www.legallanguage.com/legal-articles/dual-citizenship-united-states/

[mashman]

New Zealand left defenceless as troops take army’s only gun to Iraq (http://www.thecivilian.co.nz/new-zealand-left-defenceless-as-troops-take-armys-only-gun-to-iraq/)

[Banditbandit]

New Zealand left defenceless as troops take army’s only gun to Iraq (http://www.thecivilian.co.nz/new-zealand-left-defenceless-as-troops-take-armys-only-gun-to-iraq/)

:rofl: :laugh: :niceone:

[awa355]

I like this one from the same link.

http://www.thecivilian.co.nz/x-factor-to-replace-convicted-killer-with-acquitted-killer-david-bain/

[blue rider]

https://scontent-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/1781997_10206218629653470_2971088171204097387_n.jp g?oh=13dee0d3f40abca01b822fd30dde6faf&oe=55839322


why not.
we could use the 20 odd million to start paying down debt, cause austerity! I am sure blinglish would approve.

[oldrider]

His apparent first loyalties to America make that a very tempting proposition! :confused:

We will need some better prospects than a fast talking union delegate backed up with a chaotic political party to replace him though! :blip:

[blue rider]

http://www.thecivilian.co.nz/spying-justified-because-nauru-is-serious-threat-to-new-zealand-says-prime-minister/


.....


ey said that it was “very easy” for most people to underestimate the threat from Nauru’s population of a mere 9,300, tiny economy, insolvent national bank, small-scale phosphate mining, economic reliance on Australia, 21 square kilometre total land area, 97% obesity rate, kidney and heart disease epidemics, and fully functional runway that takes up the entire length of one side of the island.

He said Nauru possessed a military that was ‘highly unpredictable’, in that there was no evidence that it currently exists.

“I think that’s one thing that, in our work, we’ve found to be very suspicious,” said Key. “Frankly, when you look at most nations, you can say ‘okay, we’re not 100% sure about this or that, but we know their general capability, their numbers, that kind of thing, et cetera.’

“When you look at Nauru, you find nothing, and you have to ask: ‘what are they hiding?’”

.....

[Akzle]

http://www.thecivilian.co.nz/spying-justified-because-nauru-is-serious-threat-to-new-zealand-says-prime-minister/


.....



.....

:killingme::lol::laugh:

it reads liek actual!

rbjiafp!

[blue rider]

hmmmm
the canadians must be training the wrong iraqui armi

http://tvnz.co.nz/world-news/canadian-soldier-killed-iraqi-forces-he-training-6249863

[blue rider]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7YHJdCnNm0

blahblahblah

if ya got nothing to hide, you might as well run around nekkid

[blue rider]

http://d3lgc28rsiigal.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/key-resign-no1.jpg?582dba

[mashman]

Teflon John

Ach, he'll apologise.

[rustyrobot]

Ach, he'll apologise.

You know the only official apology he made in 2014 was to Cameron Slater (whose father happens to be former National Party President).

I love our Banana Republic :banana:

[mashman]

You know the only official apology he made in 2014 was to Cameron Slater (whose father happens to be former National Party President).

I love our Banana Republic :banana:

That wouldn't surprise me... after all, he does it all in our name and you wouldn't apologise to yourself. Bless his cotton socks.

[puddytat]

Someone'll slip him some 1080 soon.....

[mashman]

Someone'll slip him some 1080 soon.....

Bit pointless really... coz like buses, there'd soon be another three along to carry you off into a brighter future.

[oldrider]

You know the only official apology he made in 2014 was to Cameron Slater (whose father happens to be former National Party President).

I love our Banana Republic :banana:

Couldn't help wondering - Why Cameron Slater went off to Israel following the (Nicky Hager thing) and who paid for his trip? - it just sort of swept along unquestioned!

Strange I thought! So I did a Google:https://aotearoaawiderperspective.wordpress.com/2014/08/18/why-is-israel-paying-cameron-slater-to-come-to-israel-and-did-they-pay-for-david-farrars-trip-too/

Found some rather interesting stuff! :yes:

Don't know who these people are? - Link - "About Aotearoa":https://aotearoaawiderperspective.wordpress.com/about-2/

[Brian d marge]

Bit pointless really... coz like buses, there'd soon be another three along to carry you off into a brighter future.
ahh the 266 on a feckin freezing nite in shepards bush
the brighter future was a bedsit in acton . , .oh yeah i can hardly wait

[mashman]

ahh the 266 on a feckin freezing nite in shepards bush
the brighter future was a bedsit in acton . , .oh yeah i can hardly wait

Ahhhhhh memories... t'were a simpler time, and politicians were honest, coz my mum says so.

[pete376403]

Ahhhhhh memories... t'were a simpler time, and politicians were honest, coz my mum says so.

Honest politicians? Yeah right!

http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/28992-new-zealand-pm-retracts-vow-to-resign-if-mass-surveillance-is-shown

[mashman]

Honest politicians? Yeah right!

http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/28992-new-zealand-pm-retracts-vow-to-resign-if-mass-surveillance-is-shown

Nothing new then eh. I must remember to have a chat with my mum ;).

[rustyrobot]

Honest politicians? Yeah right!

I reckon this is pretty honest...
http://i.imgur.com/KeckkL7.jpg

Representing the 1 percenters

[oldrider]

Seriously - I don't think I am going to be sorry to see this guy (JK) go ! :oi-grr: - hopefully before the TPPA ever eventuates! :yes:

[awa355]

Don keys' mentor.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31831419

[Scuba_Steve]

Seriously - I don't think I am going to be sorry to see this guy (JK) go ! :oi-grr: - hopefully before the TPPA ever eventuates! :yes:

but even if he goes, don't be so sure the TPPA will go with him

[oldrider]

but even if he goes, don't be so sure the TPPA will go with him

True! - They are all tarred with the same bloody brush! :brick:

[mashman]

Good to know that my aid tax $ is being used appropriately (https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/26587677/myanmar-police-beat-students-journalists-monks-about-100-detained/)

[awa355]

Just been watching these goons campaigning up north. The National wallies in a room all wearing Hi Viz jackets, :oi-grr: I think the National candidate was one of the clowns in the back ground behind Key.

Winnie was accusing them of 'buying votes', Good to see him standing by his standards (whatever they are).

Has anyone told the Greenies and Labour that there is a by election going on up that way.

At least the riders up north will get lots of new bridges to ride over shortly. :scooter::scooter:

[Akzle]

At least the riders up north will get lots of new bridges to ride over shortly. :scooter::scooter:

it hasn't actually been a problem. I've had to wait for traffic over one way bridges... maybe 3 times.


this is what happens when you let aucklanders out. fucking ignorant road hogging latte sipping cunts.

[Oscar]

it hasn't actually been a problem. I've had to wait for traffic over one way bridges... maybe 3 times.


this is what happens when you let aucklanders out. fucking ignorant road hogging latte sipping cunts.

Poor wee lad.

We you late for your "Respecting Diversity 101" class?

[FJRider]

... At least the riders up north will get lots of new bridges to ride over shortly. :scooter::scooter:

The choice ... Winnie as your MP .... or one way bridges. :yawn:




One way bridges aren't that bad ... :shifty:

[Akzle]

Poor wee lad.

We you late for your "Respecting Diversity 101" class?

fuck diversity.
y'all crackers can fuck right back off to the motherland. and take the chinks you let in with ya!

[Brian d marge]

fuck diversity.
y'all crackers can fuck right back off to the motherland. and take the chinks you let in with ya!
leave the chinks , . .take the heffalumps with ya

[mashman]

Poor wee lad.

We you late for your "Respecting Diversity 101" class?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-RYf9_iFR6os/TqrLeDb-GGI/AAAAAAAAAb4/kvuF8cs6JK4/s1600/CartoonIroning.gif

[mashman]

fuck diversity.
y'all crackers can fuck right back off to the motherland. and take the chinks you let in with ya!

Fuck you. I'm staying put.

[Oscar]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-RYf9_iFR6os/TqrLeDb-GGI/AAAAAAAAAb4/kvuF8cs6JK4/s1600/CartoonIroning.gif

Cogratulations, that is the 1,000th time you've used that lame joke.
That makes you the most predictable twat on this site (apart from aklzes jew fixation).

[mashman]

Cogratulations, that is the 1,000th time you've used that lame joke.
That makes you the most predictable twat on this site (apart from aklzes jew fixation).

It's situational and so it stands in its own right. I think of it as satire.
jew = blind scared white mutha fucka. Hand over that glistening trophy.

[puddytat]

Oscar,you're kinda predictable yourself....

[Brian d marge]

Your kinda predictable yourself....
sure is . . .

and we are . . will have to foot the bill

such is life

[Oscar]

It's situational and so it stands in its own right. I think of it as satire.
jew = blind scared white mutha fucka. Hand over that glistening trophy.

Nope. Not satire, just boring.
Get some new material.

[Oscar]

Oscar,you're kinda predictable yourself....

Yup.
We all drool like Pavlov's mutt..

[mashman]

Nope. Not satire, just boring.
Get some new material.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/2d/b8/92/2db8923367e73468e5f9c8ab05bceff2.jpg

[Brian d marge]

Yup.
We all drool like Pavlov's mutt..
speak for yourself . . .It only happens to me when nurse comes in

[blue rider]

http://bowalleyroad.blogspot.co.nz/2015/03/not-understood.html

Mixed Signals: The Prime Minister’s claim: “I don’t know what ‘mass collection’ even means”, when filtered through the ears of someone who agrees with Mr Key’s portrayal of Nicky Hager as “a screaming left-wing conspiracy theorist”, becomes: “These journalists think they know something about the ‘Five Eyes’ operation, but they don’t. All of this stuff about ‘mass collection’ is just rubbish. I don’t have to respond to the likes of Nicky Hager, Glen Greenwald or Edward Snowden – and neither do you.”




HE PRIME MINISTER doesn’t know what “mass collection” means. This is surprising – given that the Prime Minister has spoken English all his life. And since the phrase has been used repeatedly with reference to the Government Communications Security Bureau’s (GCSB) acknowledged interception of individual and diplomatic metadata on an industrial scale, the Prime Minister’s professed ignorance is rather hard to accept.

What makes the Prime Minister’s unawareness even more puzzling is that he was the Minister in charge of the GCSB in 2009, when its facilities were, at the behest of and with considerable assistance from the US Government, being up-graded to “full-take” capability. It is inconceivable that the Prime Minister was not fully briefed on these expanded intelligence-gathering powers by the then Head of the GCSB, Sir Bruce Fergusson.

[Brian d marge]

I gave up any hope with that bullshitting wnkr when he couldnt remember sellin nz down the road back in his merry lynchin days . . ,I cant remember . . . the expletive . . .

[puddytat]

I gave up any hope with that bullshitting wnkr when he couldnt remember sellin nz down the road back in his merry lynchin days . . ,I cant remember . . . the expletive . . .

was it something like "lying motherfucker cunt bastard" ?

[Swoop]

Looking at the current political situation, which opposition person would be there to lead us?
Little? Couldn't handle economics 101 and certainly isn't capable of being a "leader", even of his own party.
Lunatic Fringe? They are currently having an "X-Fuckwit" co-leader competition. Going by the recent debate amongst them... Personally I'd be happy to see the winner in charge of the Composting Toilet Portfolio" and absolutely nothing above that position.
Maori Party? Who?
NZ First? Winnie (certainly could handle the role).
Can't remember if there are any other parties. So a good old fashioned "no" is the answer. National has the helm for the foreseeable future.

[oldrider]

Looking at the current political situation, which opposition person would be there to lead us?
Little? Couldn't handle economics 101 and certainly isn't capable of being a "leader", even of his own party.
Lunatic Fringe? They are currently having an "X-Fuckwit" co-leader competition. Going by the recent debate amongst them... Personally I'd be happy to see the winner in charge of the Composting Toilet Portfolio" and absolutely nothing above that position.
Maori Party? Who?
NZ First? Winnie (certainly could handle the role).
Can't remember if there are any other parties. So a good old fashioned "no" is the answer. National has the helm for the foreseeable future.

Unfortunately true! - When the voters got there the cupboard was bare and so is their future I guess! - But can we afford Key giving us away to the Americans? :oi-grr:

[sugilite]

I have no idea how Key can even breathe with that much of Obama's pooh stuck in his nostrils and mouth. :oi-grr:

[Brian d marge]

ya have to be a team player . .

[puddytat]

Well ,what I saw yesterday from the Greens does not fill me with confidence at all (the Nation).So.....no confidence in any of the parties. Time to start on plan B......:shifty:

[blue rider]

Andrew Little : Why has he declared that the deployment to Iraq will end, whether or not its objectives are completed, about 6 months before the next election? Is that just a coincidence?

Rt Hon JOHN KEY : No.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldgb8V1CpI0

Me: bwhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[Brian d marge]

say anything get ya self into power then discover who really runs the show . . .finally backtrack on what ya said . . . btw hows greece doing

[Brian d marge]

Andrew Little : Why has he declared that the deployment to Iraq will end, whether or not its objectives are completed, about 6 months before the next election? Is that just a coincidence?

Rt Hon JOHN KEY : No.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldgb8V1CpI0

Me: bwhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
would the honoury member confirm that isil is infact an Israel state in Lebanon created to keep the us dollar strong etc

[mashman]

say anything get ya self into power then discover who really runs the show . . .finally backtrack on what ya said . . . btw hows greece doing

It's a job with damned fine career benefits... who wouldn't wanna take advantage of that? Even better when one of the benefits is the ability to direct your own spy agency, army, police force and to a large degree (that I'm still embarassed about given that I'm supposedly the same species) and entire population of zombies. Best hope that no do-gooder gets the job... they might even make a difference :laugh:

Last I heard they were about to go to financial war, because one of the Greek dudes is supposed to have flipped the bird at a German dude... 2 years ago. I admit that I lol'd some when I read it.

[blue rider]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/t31.0-8/10540758_10152649840466372_2154334605746523363_o.j pg

[Ocean1]

As did the majority in the house.

In fact just the lunatic left supported feeding kids they've already paid parents to feed.

Do try and get a grip.

[Scuba_Steve]

As did the majority in the house.

In fact just the lunatic left supported feeding kids they've already paid parents to feed.

Do try and get a grip.

Yea but wasn't the difference that this bill would actually see the kids fed?
It's not the kids fault they have shit parents, why punish them for it?

I could be wrong I don't pay attention to the propaganda machine

[admenk]

In fact just the lunatic left supported feeding kids they've already paid parents to feed.

I get what you're trying to say, but do we want to penalise children just to prove a political point, despite who may or may not be to blame?

[bogan]

I get what you're trying to say, but do we want to penalise children just to prove a political point, despite who may or may not be to blame?

Is the point not already proven? that the 'underclass' would sell their children's future for a pack of ciggies?

[buggerit]

As did the majority in the house.

In fact just the lunatic left supported feeding kids they've already paid parents to feed.

Do try and get a grip.

I think you may be penny wise and pound foolish with that view.

[Brian d marge]

Is the point not already proven? that the 'olderclass' have sold their children's future for a pack of ciggies?

fixed that for you

still he hasa nice smile . . mustnt grumble

[Ocean1]

Yea but wasn't the difference that this bill would actually see the kids fed?
It's not the kids fault they have shit parents, why punish them for it?

I could be wrong I don't pay attention to the propaganda machine


I get what you're trying to say, but do we want to penalise children just to prove a political point, despite who may or may not be to blame?

Fine. Lets feed the kids. And then remove any subsidies their parents receive. Why should Joe average pay to feed their kids twice?


I think you may be penny wise and pound foolish with that view.

I don't know what you think that means.

But: More than half of NZ families receive more in subsidies than they pay in tax. That's fucking ridiculous, and it's time the hand-outs for middle NZ stopped. And let's face it, if you taxed them less they wouldn't need subsidies, would they?

[Ocean1]

fixed that for you

still he hasa nice smile . . mustnt grumble

You must be fucking desperate to blame someone other than the parents for hungry NZ kids to trundle out the same tired old blame JK shit.

It takes a special effort to be poor in NZ, but even the poor usually have their kids dinner right on top of the list. There's just one reason any kid turns up to school hungry in NZ: their parents are scum.

[Scuba_Steve]

Fine. Lets feed the kids. And then remove any subsidies their parents receive. Why should Joe average pay to feed their kids twice?


Got no real problem with that, but we should extend that removing of subsidies to the "higher class" too, they cost Joe average alot more

[bogan]

fixed that for you

still he hasa nice smile . . mustnt grumble

Doesn't matter what age, if you get a benefit to include feeding your kids, and don't bother doing so (for ciggies or any other reason) then you are the fucking underclass; end of story.

We shouldn't need to go all nanny state and supervise or supplement such basics of life because some dumb fucks are too self centered to care for their offspring. This makes a bloody good case for why beneficiaries should lose the right to vote.

[Ocean1]

Got no real problem with that, but we should extend that removing of subsidies to the "higher class" too, they cost Joe average alot more

A common sentiment.

By "higher class" I assume you mean high income earners? The ones paying the majority of income tax?

How do you conclude they enjoy "subsidies" then?

310029

[mashman]

http://i.imgur.com/9M2KqSs.gif

= current solution.

[Scuba_Steve]

A common sentiment.

By "higher class" I assume you mean high income earners? The ones paying the majority of income tax?

How do you conclude they enjoy "subsidies"?

Na more the ones doing their best to avoid paying any tax, honest ones are alright. & Govt

I'd 1st start by scrapping all Govt perks (& tying them to a % pay), that'd save the country hundreds of millions right off the bat

[Ocean1]

Na more the ones doing their best to avoid paying any tax, honest ones are alright.

That wee graph says high income families pay almost all of the tax.

Which taxes exactly do you think are being avoided? And by whom?

[Akzle]

Na more the ones doing their best to avoid paying any tax, honest ones are alright. & Govt

I'd 1st start by scrapping all Govt perks (& tying them to a % pay), that'd save the country hundreds of millions right off the bat

align their pay to nations average wage.
Motivational.

[Brian d marge]

That wee graph says high income families pay almost all of the tax.

Which taxes exactly do you think are being avoided? And by whom?
I would like to know that as well
usually if it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck . . .then theres something fishy

[Akzle]

Which taxes exactly do you think are being avoided? And by whom?

most of them.
jews, bankers, banks, mnc, 'charities', anyone whose 'pay' comes from tax. (cops and pollies)

[bogan]

align their pay to nations average wage.
Motivational.

Wouldn't be motivational at all, as anyon in it for the money would just get a different job, and you'd be left with those just in it for the power, or those who wish to make a difference.

Pay peanuts and you'll get monkeys. I know the current crop might not look much better at times, but the nature of their job is to be criticised for anything, and never praised; it'd be a hell of a lot worse if monkeys were doing it.

[Brian d marge]

Doesn't matter what age, if you get a benefit to include feeding your kids, and don't bother doing so (for ciggies or any other reason) then you are the fucking underclass; end of story.

We shouldn't need to go all nanny state and supervise or supplement such basics of life because some dumb fucks are too self centered to care for their offspring. This makes a bloody good case for why beneficiaries should lose the right to vote.
yes but you will find that MOST care for their kids and are tying their best
sometimes such as money to the church . . cultures can collide
but at rhe end of the day
house prices
food
electricity
have exceeded the income of too many people

[Scuba_Steve]

That wee graph says high income families pay almost all of the tax.

Which taxes exactly do you think are being avoided? And by whom?

there's ALOT of tax being avoided, maybee you've chosen to ignore the IRD's "tax evasion" stats each year & that's before you get into legalised tax evasion (but hey that's alright cause it's legal right)
This is from a study done by Victoria University


Benefit fraud cost New Zealand $22 million in 2010, or around $5 for each New Zealander. While it is difficult to get accurate figures for tax evasion, the Tax Justice Network estimates New Zealand missed out on more than $7.4 billion of tax revenue in 2011, or around $1,500 per New Zealander.

[Ocean1]

there's ALOT of tax being avoided, maybee you've chosen to ignore the IRD's "tax evasion" stats each year & that's before you get into legalised tax evasion (but hey that's alright cause it's legal right)
This is from a study done by Victoria University

So you blame high income earners for benefit fraud?

[Scuba_Steve]

Wouldn't be motivational at all, as anyon in it for the money would just get a different job, and you'd be left with those just in it for the power, or those who wish to make a difference.

Isn't that who we want? You're not making a good argument not to reduce pay

[mashman]

That wee graph says high income families pay almost all of the tax.

Which taxes exactly do you think are being avoided? And by whom?

I don't mind paying taxes for some people to just get by in a world that does not provide enough jobs for the population, irrespective of how they live their lives. Ya get what ya pay for.

As many as possible. Screw the consequences. Triffic solution man.

[Scuba_Steve]

So you blame high income earners for benefit fraud?

umm :scratch: ...yea sure why not :facepalm:

[bogan]

Isn't that who we want? You're not making a good argument not to reduce pay

And if wishes were fishes the children would be well fed already. Good intentions are not enough qualification to manage a country in today's complex world.

[Scuba_Steve]

And if wishes were fishes the children would be well fed already. Good intentions are not enough qualification to manage a country in today's complex world.

But being money hungry is???
I'm not getting how this works given those there now are far from qualified for the positions they hold. If your motivation is personal financial interest you're qualified, but if your motivation is NZ & it's people you're not? ...Seems a bit backwards to me

[blue rider]

deja vu


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZrgxHvNNUc

[pritch]

Has anyone told the Greenies and Labour that there is a by election going on up that way.


This has all been covered on the news. Andrew Little told the Labour voters to vote for Winston - sort of. It wasn't the finest piece of straight talking but that was the gist.

[pritch]

there's ALOT of tax being avoided, maybee you've chosen to ignore the IRD's "tax evasion" stats each year & that's before you get into legalised tax evasion (but hey that's alright cause it's legal right)
This is from a study done by Victoria University

Tax avoidance is legal. Tax evasion is not. "Legal tax evasion" is an oxymoron.

[Brian d marge]

So you blame high income earners for benefit fraud?
there is a link but i doubt u will see it

[Brian d marge]

And if wishes were fishes the children would be well fed already. Good intentions are not enough qualification to manage a country in today's complex world.
thats true but they are a good start

[Brian d marge]

Tax avoidance is legal. Tax evasion is not. "Legal tax evasion" is an oxymoron.
avoid . . i dont want to pay but will given sufficient incentive . . .balls in a vice

evade . . . . doing my level best not to pay . . . ever

benefit fraud . . . stealing a few lollies from the lolly jar

Parliamentary entitlements . . . stealing the whole jar under the guise of running the country

[Akzle]

Wouldn't be motivational at all, as anyon in it for the money would just get a different job, and you'd be left with those just in it for the power, or those who wish to make a difference.

Pay peanuts and you'll get monkeys. I know the current crop might not look much better at times, but the nature of their job is to be criticised for anything, and never praised; it'd be a hell of a lot worse if monkeys were doing it.

yer a funny wee man...

[bogan]

But being money hungry is???
I'm not getting how this works given those there now are far from qualified for the positions they hold. If your motivation is personal financial interest you're qualified, but if your motivation is NZ & it's people you're not? ...Seems a bit backwards to me

Being money hungry is not a qualification. But, those who are qualified should be paid a commensurate amount, otherwise they would just find other employ. Might seem backwards to you, but just think of mashy, all keen to make a difference through forcing other's to his own ideal; he even beleives it will work, but since he is too stupid to realise it won't, putting him in charge would be one of the worst things that could happen.

[Akzle]

just think of mashy, all keen to make a difference through forcing other's to his own ideal; he even beleives it will work, but since he is too stupid to realise it won't, putting him in charge would be one of the worst things that could happen.

i'd bet my vote on him... if only to see you foaming harder at the mouth and crying about some irreverent jew shit.

[Scuba_Steve]

Being money hungry is not a qualification. But, those who are qualified should be paid a commensurate amount, otherwise they would just find other employ. Might seem backwards to you, but just think of mashy, all keen to make a difference through forcing other's to his own ideal; he even beleives it will work, but since he is too stupid to realise it won't, putting him in charge would be one of the worst things that could happen.

But we don't have that, we have unqualified people getting paid a decent amount well in excess of commensurate & still forcing other's to their own ideal (or more their backers). So you're still not making a valid or even good argument

[Ocean1]

I don't mind paying taxes for some people to just get by in a world that does not provide enough jobs for the population, irrespective of how they live their lives. Ya get what ya pay for.

As many as possible. Screw the consequences. Triffic solution man.

The world doesn't exist to provide employment. Those who choose to live their lives without bludging on others, however usually manage to produce enough of something marketable to feed their kids. Usually more.

Stop blaming every other fucker for the personal failings of dole bludgers, they deserve exactly what their effort is worth: fuck all.

[Ocean1]

umm :scratch: ...yea sure why not :facepalm:

That's the only quantifiable fraud your study could find, wasn't it?

The rest, they said was pure guesswork, no?

So if there is a great deal of tax related fraud but high income earners pay almost all of the net tax then why would you blame them for avoiding tax? Or for evading it for that matter?

Seems to me they pay far, far more than their fair share already, why not blame low income earners for failing to provide at least as much tax as they spend?

[Flip]

All I have to say is "GO WINSTON!"

[blue rider]

we are so lucky to have the business savvy (all the way to business 301) peeps from National run the country, cause if someone else did....those loony greens, or those feeble reds or any other of the others we would be knee deep in a shit pool....but as I said..we are soooooo lucky to have team key and blinglish looking after us.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/politics/67439973/Scheme-can-t-pay-back-loans


The Government's flagship health cost-cutting scheme has taken out millions of dollars worth of taxpayer-funded loans, despite concerns it could not pay a cent back, new documents reveal.

Once dubbed a government "ponzi scheme" by district health boards (DHBs), Health Benefits Limited (HBL) has been granted more than $10 million in loans by the Government. HBL was also given three separate extensions to the deadline to pay the money back, amid concerns the original deadline would leave the crown entity insolvent.


HBL was set up by former health minister Tony Ryall in 2010 to save DHBs $750 million over six years by establishing shared contracts for key hospital services.

But documents show the group took out an initial $8m "short-term credit facility", or a low-interest loan, from the Government in July 2013 so it could develop three detailed business cases for its food services and linen and laundry services and its National Infrastructure Platform programmes.

In a June 2013 letter HBL chairman Ted van Arkel told the Government the loan would be an "interim step" while the group worked with both the Ministry of Health and Treasury to establish a "long-term capital structure".

[mashman]

The world doesn't exist to provide employment. Those who choose to live their lives without bludging on others, however usually manage to produce enough of something marketable to feed their kids. Usually more.

Stop blaming every other fucker for the personal failings of dole bludgers, they deserve exactly what their effort is worth: fuck all.

So what's it here for? and what is the financial economy supposed to be achieving? Aye, those who choose to live their lives without bludging accept that there is a price to pay for being "self-reliant". Yet still get shat on when their shit hits the fan in some way... unless they're insured yo.

heh... I'm merely accepting my share of responsibility for my part in the creation of an environment that not only creates dole bludgers, but drives men to legalise murder... among other things. I'd suggest that you looked at doing the same, but you seem full of hate towards anyone that you deem, or has been deemed according to the law of averages i.e. the market, to be unrequired and nought more than an oxygen breather.

[mashman]

i'd bet my vote on him... if only to see you foaming harder at the mouth and crying about some irreverent jew shit.

:hug:...................

[mashman]

Govt not doing enough for disabled kids (https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/26721031/govt-not-doing-enough-for-disabled-kids/)... care to budget.

[blue rider]

personal responsibility,
obviously they have none....blugders, no good nothings, lazy kids, and their lazy hand out expecting families.......go live under a bridge in northland and be quiet.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11419782&ref=NZH_FBpage


The cut has been achieved both by tightening criteria and by simply not publicising the allowance.

[SPman]

The world doesn't exist to provide employment. Those who choose to live their lives without bludging on others, however usually manage to produce enough of something marketable to feed their kids. Usually more.

Stop blaming every other fucker for the personal failings of dole bludgers, they deserve exactly what their effort is worth: fuck all.

Aaahh, the world is so black and white to you, nicht wahr?

Empathy and compassion aren't your strong points, are they!

[willytheekid]

Govt not doing enough for disabled kids (https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/26721031/govt-not-doing-enough-for-disabled-kids/)... care to budget.


personal responsibility,
obviously they have none....blugders, no good nothings, lazy kids, and their lazy hand out expecting families.......go live under a bridge in northland and be quiet.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11419782&ref=NZH_FBpage

"Any society, any nation, is judged on the basis of how it treats its weakest members -- the last, the least, and the littlest."

...speaks volumes about our nation's new "direction" :facepalm:

little Kids!...disabled KIWI KIDS!!!...and our Govn't is taking a running fucking kick at them :weep:


Just shameful!...there is no other word for it...its shameful!

[buggerit]

"Any society, any nation, is judged on the basis of how it treats its weakest members -- the last, the least, and the littlest."

...speaks volumes about our nation's new "direction" :facepalm:

little Kids!...disabled KIWI KIDS!!!...and our Govn't is taking a running fucking kick at them :weep:


Just shameful!...there is no other word for it...its shameful!

Im sure some public servants received a healthy bonus for that little gem:mad::mad:

[bogan]

But we don't have that, we have unqualified people getting paid a decent amount well in excess of commensurate & still forcing other's to their own ideal (or more their backers). So you're still not making a valid or even good argument

Why do you feel they are unqualified?

Their salaries are not excessive either. 140k per year or something isn't it?

[Ocean1]

So what's it here for?

It wasn’t made, how can it have a purpose?


what is the financial economy supposed to be achieving?

Production. Meaning advances in living standards and potential for human societies. Specifically; regulation such that entrepreneurial, productive and hard work are rewarded.


Aye, those who choose to live their lives without bludging accept that there is a price to pay for being "self-reliant". Yet still get shat on when their shit hits the fan in some way... unless they're insured yo.

The correct price to pay for being self reliant is simply that you earn what you spend. That includes insurance against a rainy day. There’s nothing remotely reasonable about expecting self-reliant people to support those that can’t be bothered.


heh... I'm merely accepting my share of responsibility for my part in the creation of an environment that not only creates dole bludgers, but drives men to legalise murder... among other things. I'd suggest that you looked at doing the same, but you seem full of hate towards anyone that you deem, or has been deemed according to the law of averages i.e. the market, to be unrequired and nought more than an oxygen breather.

Good on you. More rational people note that they’re not responsible for the creation of any such thing, and can’t see any reason to pay anyone for doing fuck all, especially where that requires thems to work harder for nothing in order to do so.

Averages has fuck all to do with dole bludgers. Nor does the economy, any financial system or god himself actually require dole bludgers. They are the result of their own inability to produce anything anyone else wants, simple as that.

[Ocean1]

Aaahh, the world is so black and white to you, nicht wahr?

Empathy and compassion aren't your strong points, are they!

No, there's a bunch of wishy washy pink lurking about the fringes.

Au contraire, I see the majority of Kiwis have been made beneficiaries by our democratic system, by the simple arithmetic of selling their vote to the highest bidder, and I see that depriving the, maybe 1% actually incapable of earning a decent living of any compassion whatsoever.

Not to mention the appalling waste of time, effort and oportunity necessarily inherent in a system that makes the most productive less so in order to reward those that aren't.

You really do look fucking ridiculous up there on that mangy high horse.

[mashman]

It wasn’t made, how can it have a purpose?

Evolution isn't a purpose?



Production. Meaning advances in living standards and potential for human societies. Specifically; regulation such that entrepreneurial, productive and hard work are rewarded.

Shame a financial system is used.



The correct price to pay for being self reliant is simply that you earn what you spend. That includes insurance against a rainy day. There’s nothing remotely reasonable about expecting self-reliant people to support those that can’t be bothered.

Insurance = Production?



Good on you. More rational people note that they’re not responsible for the creation of any such thing, and can’t see any reason to pay anyone for doing fuck all, especially where that requires thems to work harder for nothing in order to do so.

Averages has fuck all to do with dole bludgers. Nor does the economy, any financial system or god himself actually require dole bludgers. They are the result of their own inability to produce anything anyone else wants, simple as that.

Rational :killingme... ignorant perhaps.

Sure they do. Someone has to be unemployed.

[Scuba_Steve]

Why do you feel they are unqualified?

Their salaries are not excessive either. 140k per year or something isn't it?

156k, as it is now, for a backbencher (the lowest paid MP's) is well excessive, especially given they're only there to be counted as a number.

They're unqualified cause they put their own interests ahead of the country & you can't tell me an MP can jump from position to position & is fully qualified in each

[bogan]

156k, as it is now, for a backbencher (the lowest paid MP's) is well excessive, especially given they're only there to be counted as a number.

They're unqualified cause they put their own interests ahead of the country & you can't tell me an MP can jump from position to position & is fully qualified in each

It's up there, but even if you say it's 50k too excessive, you're looking at a saving of what, 6mil? which will make fuck all difference anywhere else in the economy. How much was food for kids going to cost again?

In your opinion they do that, but not in the opinion of themselves and others. Why not? it's just management shit, they all have underlings who are clued up on the specifics of each part.

[Ocean1]

Evolution isn't a purpose?



Shame a financial system is used.



Insurance = Production?



Rational :killingme... ignorant perhaps.

Sure they do. Someone has to be unemployed.

No.

No it's not. It's simply the most effective tool available.

Insurance = Product.

Rational. You're not in any position to judge, you're a rationalising person, not a rational one.

Wrong. Everyone has a value buyers are prepared to pay for their efforts, those who produce fuck all anyone else wants to buy and are unprincipled enough choose to do absolutely fuck all and have others pay for it anyway.

[FJRider]

The correct price to pay for being self reliant is simply that you earn what you spend. That includes insurance against a rainy day. There’s nothing remotely reasonable about expecting self-reliant people to support those that can’t be bothered.


Self reliance is ok .... only if their actions don't/won't affect others (or ... others actions affect THEM). The "Actions" of those "Self Reliant" ... often ARE ... affected by others outside their control.

Self reliance is not a one way street.

Those Self Reliant ... need to earn more than they NEED to spend. Otherwise THEY are the one's ... that can't be bothered.



INSURANCE is only wanted ... when it is needed. Until then ... nobody likes buying it.

[Ocean1]

In your opinion they do that, but not in the opinion of themselves and others. Why not? it's just management shit, they all have underlings who are clued up on the specifics of each part.

Actually, politicians as an occupation are amongst the most qualified professionals.

[Ocean1]

Self reliance is ok .... only if their actions don't/won't affect others (or ... others actions affect THEM). The "Actions" of those "Self Reliant" ... often ARE ... affected by others outside their control.

Self reliance is not a one way street.

Those Self Reliant ... need to earn more than they NEED to spend. Otherwise THEY are the one's ... that can't be bothered.



INSURANCE is only wanted ... when it is needed. Until then ... nobody likes buying it.

Sounds like bullshit to me. If someone is self reliant then by definition they require no help from anyone else.

And what they NEED has fuck all to do with it, if they spend less than they earn then they're self-reliant, fuck all to do with need, (a term which has as many meanings as people asked).

[FJRider]

Sounds like bullshit to me. If someone is self reliant then by definition they require no help from anyone else.

And what they NEED has fuck all to do with it, if they spend less than they earn then they're self-reliant, fuck all to do with need, (a term which has as many meanings as people asked).

They won't need insurance then.


BUT ... do the self reliant need to pay tax .. ???????????????????????????????? I'm guessing ... only if the need to BUY something. Or ... if they are PAID to do something.


The term EARNING is vague ... swapping their labour for goods / services is a more accurate description.

[Ocean1]

They won't need insurance then.


what they NEED has fuck all to do with it, if they spend less than they earn then they're self-reliant, fuck all to do with need.


BUT ... do the self reliant need to pay tax .. ???????????????????????????????? I'm guessing ... only if the need to BUY something. Or ... if they are PAID to do something.


The term EARNING is vague ... swapping their labour for goods / services is a more accurate description.

In an absolute sense, no. If they make use of public infrastructure and services then they'd be paying their fair share of tax.

Do you really want to break out the dictionary?

I take it to mean "received in fair trade for services given".

[Akzle]

"Any society, any nation, is judged on the basis of how it treats its weakest members -- the last, the least, and the littlest."

...speaks volumes about our nation's new "direction" :facepalm:

little Kids!...disabled KIWI KIDS!!!...and our Govn't is taking a running fucking kick at them :weep:


Just shameful!...there is no other word for it...its shameful!
rbjiafp

It wasn’t made, how can it have a purpose?
whoo dun maaede da treez mon?


regulation such that entrepreneurial, productive and hard work are rewarded.
ahyes. we must apply the ocean's own patented measuring stick to... everything.

q: without "monies" (/usurious jewgold) - is not entrepreneurial, productive, and hard work rewarded?



The correct price to pay for being self reliant is simply that you earn what you spend. That includes insurance against a rainy day. There’s nothing remotely reasonable about expecting self-reliant people to support those that can’t be bothered.
unfortunately for you, old white man, there's plenty of blacks that wont see it that way, and are happy to take your shit off you. because you have more than them, but don't want to share your toys, and "that's not fair".

true story.


Nor does the economy, any financial system or god himself actually require dole bludgers.
well, actually love, your economoney does require dole bludgers. look it up some time.

[FJRider]

Do you really want to break out the dictionary?

I take it to mean "received in fair trade for services given".

Earning usually is taken as ... "Working for wages/salary" .... (thus the need to pay tax)



I did ...


BUY anything from a commercial outlet ... then you should be paying tax. (in one form or another)

In a perfect world ... Self Reliant wont need/want insurance. The reliance on their own efforts to avoid the need for such.

Buying insurance infers a need to rely on others for a degree of security. Thus ... NOT SELF RELIANT.

[Ocean1]

whoo dun maaede da treez mon?


ahyes. we must apply the ocean's own patented measuring stick to... everything.

q: without "monies" (/usurious jewgold) - is not entrepreneurial, productive, and hard work rewarded?



unfortunately for you, old white man, there's plenty of blacks that wont see it that way, and are happy to take your shit off you. because you have more than them, but don't want to share your toys, and "that's not fair".

true story.


well, actually love, your economoney does require dole bludgers. look it up some time.

Nobody made them.

You can apply whatever the fuck you like. I'm pickin' it'll involve minimal effort on your part.

Sometimes. But at best a fuckload less effectively.

And I don't give a fuck who don't see it that way, delusional cunts wouldn't survive a week past an overdue dole cheque. Nor does their idea of what's fair stack up against those who actually earned their toys, because they're likely to be better armed.

I maintain that anyone not actually producing anything anyone else wants is completely and utterly surplus to the requirement of any economy. Now you look it up and get back to me eh?

[Akzle]

Actually, politicians as an occupation are amongst the most qualified professionals.
qualified to do what??

if they spend less than they earn then they're self-reliant,
you keep banging out this phrase. while i accept the logic, i don't accept the premise. jewgold is bullshit.

They won't need insurance then.


BUT ... do the self reliant need to pay tax .. ???????????????????????????????? I'm guessing ... only if the need to BUY something. Or ... if they are PAID to do something.


The term EARNING is vague ... swapping their labour for goods / services is a more accurate description.
rbjiafp

[mashman]

No.

No it's not. It's simply the most effective tool available.

Insurance = Product.

Rational. You're not in any position to judge, you're a rationalising person, not a rational one.

Wrong. Everyone has a value buyers are prepared to pay for their efforts, those who produce fuck all anyone else wants to buy and are unprincipled enough choose to do absolutely fuck all and have others pay for it anyway.

Please yourself.

No it's not. It's stifling our evolution.

Aha, lucky there's a financial system to spur the need for insurance... coz without a financial system there would be no need for the product.

I'm in the perfect position thanks.

Yup, that's how them thar problems are created.

[Ocean1]

Earning usually is taken as ... "Working for wages/salary" .... (thus the need to pay tax)



I did ...


BUY anything from a commercial outlet ... then you should be paying tax. (in one form or another)

In a perfect world ... Self Reliant wont need/want insurance. The reliance on their own efforts to avoid the need for such.

Buying insurance infers a need to rely on others for a degree of security. Thus ... NOT SELF RELIANT.

Nope, paying tax is not a requirement of earning something, and in fact you can even earn money without incurring tax obligations.

Correct. How is that relevant to self reliance?

And perfect world or not a self reliant person could consider insurance a valid part of that ethos. Either he insures himself and maybe he uses it's provisions or not, or he doesn't and manages without, either way is still self reliance.

How does buying insurance infer reliance on someone else? Quite the opposite I'd have thought.

[Akzle]

Nobody made them.
odd fucken phenomenon huh?


You can apply whatever the fuck you like. I'm pickin' it'll involve minimal effort on your part.
lotion, twice daily, thoroughly rubbed in.

minimal effort. oh son if you only knew.

...anything.



Sometimes. But at best a fuckload less effectively.
effective??! usurious jewgold is EFFECTIVE?
now, i hadn't had you pegged for a stupid cunt, but that's a pretty stupid fucken statement.


And I don't give a fuck who don't see it that way, delusional cunts wouldn't survive a week past an overdue dole cheque. Nor does their idea of what's fair stack up against those who actually earned their toys, because they're likely to be better armed.
thrice lulz.
are you aware that nz's 'illegal' gangs are better armed than teh politzei? and i'd wager they shoot more boolits in a year, too.
but speaking to your average black that's going to rob you, the dole check is just a way to keep teh politzei off their case ;)


I maintain that anyone not actually producing anything anyone else wants is completely and utterly surplus to the requirement of any economy. Now you look it up and get back to me eh?

maintain all you like. twere it not for the unemployed, your 'economoney' goes into this thing called "hyperinflation" (true story)
you just can't balance the books by "paying everyone worth anything what they're worth"

because "what they're worth"... actually isn't. especially when you use a measure as arbitrary as money. (which, of itself, is worth no more than the faith that you and your old white cronies have in it)

[Ocean1]

Please yourself.

No it's not. It's stifling our evolution.

Aha, lucky there's a financial system to spur the need for insurance... coz without a financial system there would be no need for the product.

I'm in the perfect position thanks.

Yup, that's how them thar problems are created.

Fact usually do.

Bullshit. And given your penchant for social welfare I'm astonished you'd want anything to do with evolution, it invariably doesn't come with a dole queue.

A financial system doesn't create the need for insurance. And the lack of either would be in no way superior to the current option.

Only if you insist on propagating boring bullshit.

And those not producing anything are created by those not producing anything. Nobody else.

[Scuba_Steve]

It's up there, but even if you say it's 50k too excessive, you're looking at a saving of what, 6mil? which will make fuck all difference anywhere else in the economy. How much was food for kids going to cost again?

In your opinion they do that, but not in the opinion of themselves and others. Why not? it's just management shit, they all have underlings who are clued up on the specifics of each part.

almost 8mil/yr & that's just on the backbencher wages alone, there's still the other 80 odd MP's on higher pays & all the perks to save money on as well as the "underlings" as you say

The fact they have "underlings" proves they're unqualified & if they're [the "underlings"] doing all the work as you say then again MPs pay is way excessive

I still haven't seen a good argument for high pays from you, you seem to be indoctrinated to think more money=better people. But fact is truth is generally the opposite; less pay will weed out the useless & leave the useful 8/10 times. Almost any stock marketed business would show you this

[Ocean1]

odd fucken phenomenon huh?

Very.


maintain all you like. twere it not for the unemployed, your 'economoney' goes into this thing called "hyperinflation" (true story)
you just can't balance the books by "paying everyone worth anything what they're worth"

because "what they're worth"... actually isn't. especially when you use a measure as arbitrary as money. (which, of itself, is worth no more than the faith that you and your old white cronies have in it)

Ignoring the rhetorical incontinence, answer me this: Do you buy shit?

If so do you actually pay what you think it's worth?

'Cause that's all that's required to define the value of anything, even someone's work.

Luckily ,my version is what happens in the real world.

[mashman]

Fact usually do.

Bullshit. And given your penchant for social welfare I'm astonished you'd want anything to do with evolution, it invariably doesn't come with a dole queue.

A financial system doesn't create the need for insurance. And the lack of either would be in no way superior to the current option.

Only if you insist on propagating boring bullshit.

And those not producing anything are created by those not producing anything. Nobody else.

Marriage not an option eh.

It has so far.

Please yourself.

It's a choice I make.

Bit judgmental like... and I don't think you've earned that right yet.

[FJRider]

... rbjiafp

GREEN bling ... or don't bother thanks ... :doh:





But I'm betting you CAN'T ... :killingme

[Akzle]

I'm astonished you'd want anything to do with evolution, it invariably doesn't come with a dole queue.
another odd statement to make, are you on the sherry tonight or what?

humans are aparently at the highest point of evolution yet-attained.
society has come far, made leaps and bounds and scientific advances and got to the moon and dissected whales and... (still can't explain what 98% of "stuff" is)


...and there's dole queues.


A financial system doesn't create the need for insurance.
doesn't it?
if i could get shit for free, by hook or by crook, and you remove the crook side of that equation, everyone gets everything for hook. game on!


And the lack of either would be in no way superior to the current option.
according to whom?


And those not producing anything are created by those not producing anything. Nobody else.

applying the inverse to that, those "producing anything" (by the ocean-ometer) must come from those "producing anything"....

so, me pappy, who own properties around the world, and here, vehicles on a dozen continents, property in auckland, and whose rental portfolio is worth more than even your white jew ass is going to see this year (and probably next) who blows his nose on 50s and wipes his ass with rutherfords,... somehow has instilled in me, a profound sense of...... it's all fucking bullshit.

oh but what if he'd been poor!


...just imagine how much better off i'd be!

btw, you're still the poorest cunt i know.

[Akzle]

Ignoring the rhetorical incontinence, answer me this: Do you buy shit?

If so do you actually pay what you think it's worth?

'Cause that's all that's required to define the value of anything, even someone's work.
ahhyes. ignore it if it doesn't suit.

i'll go with that!


Luckily ,my version is what happens in the real world.real world?

jew cunt.
more people in this "real world" have never been in an automobile, than those who own one.

your world is small, and sad.


GREEN bling ... or don't bother thanks ... :doh:


But I'm betting you CAN'T ... :killingme
no, that's the point. it's a flag for when i can. all the people getting green.... and then there's that jen-gobber, murray. persistent little bitch.

[bogan]

almost 8mil/yr & that's just on the backbencher wages alone, there's still the other 80 odd MP's on higher pays & all the perks to save money on as well as the "underlings" as you say

The fact they have "underlings" proves they're unqualified & if they're [the "underlings"] doing all the work as you say then again MPs pay is way excessive

I still haven't seen a good argument for high pays from you, you seem to be indoctrinated to think more money=better people. But fact is truth is generally the opposite; less pay will weed out the useless & leave the useful 8/10 times. Almost any stock marketed business would show you this

So double it, how far would 16mil go in the for benefits etc?

No, it proves the job is high powered, too much critical decision making to be a jack of all trades.

I'm saying less money == worse people, there is a difference between that and more money == better people. Pay penuts, get monkeys is the adage, but feel free to show me how paying less leaves only the useful, because I have only ever seen the opposite.

[Ocean1]

ahhyes. ignore it if it doesn't suit.


I always ignore nonsense, it's so much more charitable that pretending it makes sense.

Whereas you ignored two perfectly coherent questions.

Also, I'm bored with your nonsense, you're just making gangster noises, which I think you'll agree is just more nonsense.

[Scuba_Steve]

So double it, how far would 16mil go in the for benefits etc?

No, it proves the job is high powered, too much critical decision making to be a jack of all trades.

I'm saying less money == worse people, there is a difference between that and more money == better people. Pay penuts, get monkeys is the adage, but feel free to show me how paying less leaves only the useful, because I have only ever seen the opposite.

more than not havin it

You said all the critical thinking is done by "underlings" & just reinforcing they're unqualified for the position. You won't listen to anything that isn't "scientific peer reviewed" but you're willing to follow & obey the decisions of someone with no knowledge of that which they are in charge... seems pretty fucking hypocritical to me

What a load of shit. Have you worked in any multinational corporation???

[bogan]

more than not havin it

You said all the critical thinking is done by "underlings" & just reinforcing they're unqualified for the position. You won't listen to anything that isn't "scientific peer reviewed" but you're willing to follow & obey the decisions of someone with no knowledge of that which they are in charge... seems pretty fucking hypocritical to me

What a load of shit. Have you worked in any multinational corporation???

But relatively, if we are to worry about funding not getting to kids, surely a packet of ciggies per bene is going to be a better focus than mp's wages; just trying to put things in perspective for you.

No, I said the specifics were known by underlings. Do you think the manager of telecos etc could go out and wire a junction box?

You still don't understand how the scientific peer review works (or even its purpose) it would seem. Carry on in rebellious ignorance, and I'll carry on happily towing the line with my enlightenment :sunny:

[Akzle]

Whereas you ignored two perfectly coherent questions.
:

Ignoring the rhetorical incontinence,

:no::bleh::bleh:

[Akzle]

Also, I'm bored with your nonsense, you're just making gangster noises, which I think you'll agree is just more nonsense.
:

ahhyes. ignore it if it doesn't suit.

:mellow::laugh::facepalm::innocent:

[Scuba_Steve]

No, I said the specifics were known by underlings. Do you think the manager of telecos etc could go out and wire a junction box?

You still don't understand how the scientific peer review works (or even its purpose) it would seem. Carry on in rebellious ignorance, and I'll carry on happily towing the line with my enlightenment :sunny:

No & that's the problem, they're controlling things they know nothing about

I understand it & my statement still stands. But I will carry on my rebellious open mindedness & scepticism

[bogan]

No & that's the problem, they're controlling things they know nothing about

I understand it & my statement still stands. But I will carry on my rebellious open mindedness & scepticism

How a junction box is wired has little to do with business decisions. I'd rather have somebody specialised in business than the tech aspects running the business, and vice versa.

No, you don't and it doesn't. Peer reviewed showed what the evidence shows; just as management's underlings show how the business/country is running. I'm not an expert in many fields, and that is precisely why I look to peer reviewed works for an interpretation of the evidence; as management should look to workers and lower management to interpret that which they manage. That you consider these ideas to be hypocritical just shows how completely you misunderstand how one or the other works.

[Akzle]

How a junction box is wired has little to do with business decisions. I'd rather have somebody specialised in business than the tech aspects running the business, and vice versa.

No, you don't and it doesn't. Peer reviewed showed what the evidence shows; just as management's underlings show how the business/country is running. I'm not an expert in many fields, and that is precisely why I look to peer reviewed works for an interpretation of the evidence; as management should look to workers and lower management to interpret that which they manage. That you consider these ideas to be hypocritical just shows how completely you misunderstand how one or the other works.

Proof is nothing but a collection of opinions that match your own...

[bogan]

Proof is nothing but a collection of opinions that match your own...

You've got it the wrong way around. My opinion follows that which has proof.

[Scuba_Steve]

How a junction box is wired has little to do with business decisions. I'd rather have somebody specialised in business than the tech aspects running the business, and vice versa.

No, you don't and it doesn't. Peer reviewed showed what the evidence shows; just as management's underlings show how the business/country is running. I'm not an expert in many fields, and that is precisely why I look to peer reviewed works for an interpretation of the evidence; as management should look to workers and lower management to interpret that which they manage. That you consider these ideas to be hypocritical just shows how completely you misunderstand how one or the other works.

People should know the business they're running Full Stop! But the country is NOT a business & that's the biggest failings of these people

The people you want running the business are the exact reason many businesses go to shit.

[bogan]

People should know the business they're running Full Stop! But the country is NOT a business & that's the biggest failings of these people

The people you want running the business are the exact reason many businesses go to shit.

So the guy who brokers my deals, finances, investments, needs to know how to code in 5 diferent languages, operate your standard workshop gear, and advanced CNC stuff? what fucking point is there in that? He'd have to train another 5 years to get that knowledge, and for what? how would that help us out? I tell him how long shit will take, and how much it will cost, and he figures out just how profitable it would be; works extremely well.

The country needs running by managers, not bin-men. Same as businesses, no it isn't a business in the traditional sense, but increasing profits/production (GDP) does lead to increases in standards of living just the same as for business.

Fuck you're full of empty claims tonight, something about lower wages getting better employees, now better trained business managers turn businesses to shit; no wonder you hate science, it seeks to prevent your willful ignorance.

[Scuba_Steve]

So the guy who brokers my deals, finances, investments, needs to know how to code in 5 diferent languages, operate your standard workshop gear, and advanced CNC stuff? what fucking point is there in that? He'd have to train another 5 years to get that knowledge, and for what? how would that help us out? I tell him how long shit will take, and how much it will cost, and he figures out just how profitable it would be; works extremely well.

The country needs running by managers, not bin-men. Same as businesses, no it isn't a business in the traditional sense, but increasing profits/production (GDP) does lead to increases in standards of living just the same as for business.

Fuck you're full of empty claims tonight, something about lower wages getting better employees, now better trained business managers turn businesses to shit; no wonder you hate science, it seeks to prevent your willful ignorance.

Now you're running off with a red herring

So this guy who "brokers your deals, finances, investments" etc, he runs the company? he's in charge & tells you what to do?
And you, you must be on 6 figures right? anything less would mean your worthless & he should get rid of you, after all pay peanuts...

[Brian d marge]

Soichiro Honda knew everyones job AND could do the jobs himself . .he also ran quite a successful company

[bogan]

Now you're running off with a red herring

So this guy who "brokers your deals, finances, investments" etc, he runs the company? he's in charge & tells you what to do?
And you, you must be on 6 figures right? anything less would mean your worthless & he should get rid of you, after all pay peanuts...

Which red herring? is it the one all your questions are directed towards, cos if so it is not me running off with it...

Yeh, he selects what jobs are most worth doing. Yup, I'm on wages but with all the OT it certainly works out that way. The pay peanuts thing is again, relative, my line of work 6 figures is what you need to pay to get the good guys. For many other jobs (including a number we contract out to) even half that figure would not be considered peanuts.

[Laava]

Soichiro Honda knew everyones job AND could do the jobs himself . .he also ran quite a successful company

So he made a good cuppatea and cleaned the toilets like a boss!

[Akzle]

sorry all you fucks. i don't actually care. some fucking asshole bought this to my attention and now i must punish you all with it's existence.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jofNR_WkoCE

somebody. kill it. kill it with fire.

[Scuba_Steve]

sorry all you fucks. i don't actually care. some fucking asshole bought this to my attention and now i must punish you all with it's existence.

somebody. kill it. kill it with fire.

I see your Fox & give you Albatraoz


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bznxx12Ptl0

[Akzle]

I see your Fox & give you Albatraoz


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bznxx12Ptl0

i fuken love albatraoz! Shit's talent.

[Akzle]

aaaaaanyone who is thinking crazy frog deserves aids.

[Scuba_Steve]

aaaaaanyone who is thinking crazy frog deserves aids.

How bout schnappi then? :bleh:

[Brian d marge]

So he made a good cuppatea and cleaned the toilets like a boss!
actually he did

[blue rider]

http://saveourschoolsnz.com/2015/03/19/welcome-to-nz-where-a-gang-will-feed-the-kids-but-government-wont/


a story about gang bangers and bleedn heart do gooders

[Akzle]

How bout schnappi then? :bleh:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrgCGtMFeyU

[mashman]

http://saveourschoolsnz.com/2015/03/19/welcome-to-nz-where-a-gang-will-feed-the-kids-but-government-wont/


a story about gang bangers and bleedn heart do gooders

Cunts... I reckon the govt should deal with it personally in the format of a gang off to the death.

[Brian d marge]

Snappie - De Kleine Krokodil: https://youtu.be/FJNd007TqLg

snappi

[blue rider]

our PM in action :)

John Key's Mis-Speakings since the 2014 election.

The New Zealand military personnel are just attending a regular ordinary meeting in the United States (x 13 times) http://www.3news.co.nz/world/john-key-denies-nz-part-of-coalition-against-is-2014101518
New Zealand is not involved in any coalition to fight in the Middle East http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/257030/pm-says-nz-part-of-%27broader%27-coalition
It is not currently illegal for someone to fight overseas for a terrorist group http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1410/S00065/key-dishonest-about-terrorism-law-changes.htm
When it comes to requests for official information, my ministers always act within the law. http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/257009/pm-admits-govt-uses-delaying-tactics
I have never called or texted Cameron Slater in my capacity as Prime Minister http://www.inthehouse.co.nz/video/34470
No, I did not mislead the House. (??) http://www.inthehouse.co.nz/video/34473
I did not admit to having abused the OIA process. http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/focusonpolitics/audio/20159141/focus-on-politics-for-28-november-2014
I did not mislead the House(??) http://www.inthehouse.co.nz/video/34473
The Gwynn Report into the handling of OIA requests by the SIS completely exonerated me http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/focusonpolitics/audio/20159141/focus-on-politics-for-28-november-2014
Its not true that the process I put in place for the SIS reporting to me was politicised http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/focusonpolitics/audio/20159141/focus-on-politics-for-28-november-2014
The review into Judith Collins has got nothing to do with the release of information to Cameron Slater http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11316800
My office had nothing to do with the release of informaton to Cameron Slater http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/260443/pm%27s-oversight-not-very-intelligent
No, I did not mislead the House (??) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuYFd7W22Hc&feature=youtu.be&t=5m10s
I can’t remember all the phone texts I exchanged except when I say I can http://www.inthehouse.co.nz/video/35072
I did not engage in an exchange of text messages with Cameron Slater, I just acknowledged one unsolicited message from him http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/20159002/andrew-little-on-john-key%27s-difficult-week
The DPMC head attended the Roger Sutton PR conference because his department is taking over Cera next year. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11361153
New Zealand was one of the very few countries in the world that was settled peacefully. http://www.waateanews.com/Waatea+News.html?story_id=ODM3Nw%3D%3D&v=528
I was being asked a specific question about the Chisholm report when I said I had had no contact with Cameron Slater http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/63591165/Key-Handful-of-texts-with-WhaleOil-blogger
No, I did not mislead the House?? http://www.inthehouse.co.nz/video/35034
When the particular question was asked there was quite a lot of noise in the house and so I only heard the first bit. http://www.inthehouse.co.nz/video/34994
I have not been in contact with Cameron Slater ahead of the release of Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security Cheryl Gwyn’s report into the SIS’s role in Slater’s 2011 political attack on former Labour Leader Phil Goff. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11365421
No, I did not mislead the House (??) http://www.inthehouse.co.nz/video/34994
The number of children in those low decile schools which I have visited who actually require lunch is the odd one or two http://www.3news.co.nz/tvshows/campbelllive/key-extremely-few-kiwi-kids-without-lunch-2014120320
The Greens are responsible for the rise in income equality within New Zealand http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/261444/mps-play-blame-game,-go-on-holiday
I don’t want to concern or frighten people about the threat of a terrorist action in New Zealand. http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/20161221/prime-minister-john-key-on-sydney-siege
Labour is promoting a separatist approach to dealing with the Treaty of Waitangi which could result in Northland becoming an independent republic http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/266028/key-plays-surprise-race-card
The owner of Oravida, Stone Shi, won a round of golf with me after he placed the winning bid at a charity auction http://www.3news.co.nz/opinion/patrick-gower/opinion-oravidas-56600-golf-photo-with-john-key-2014032009#axzz3RxJjSqhm
I didn’t know until late January 2015 that Mike Sabin was facing issues which may lead to his resignation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hff0FXb4CSQ&feature=youtu.be
My meeting with Donghua Liu was not a Cabinet Club meeting, oh, hang on, yes it was, oh, maybe it wasn’t http://www.3news.co.nz/nznews/john-key-contradicts-staff-on-meeting-donghua-liu-2015022318
Labour did not seek a Parliamentary vote when sending SAS troops into Afghanistan on a combat mission and didn’t even tell New Zealand they were going http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/20168562/prime-minister-uses-past-deployments-to-justify-going-to-iraq
When I said “the price of The Club” I meant “The Club” was all the 62 nations in the US-led coalition of troops to fight in Iraq http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11409236
New Zealanders gave National Ltd™ a two year mandate to send troops into Iraq as part of the US-led coalition http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11409236
News about repairing bridges in Northland is just the standard release of policy http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11414540
Nicky Hager and Kim Dotcom prevented National Ltd™ from announcing the decision to upgrade ten bridges in Northland. http://www.3news.co.nz/nznews/key-dotcom-hager-prevented-bridge-announcement-last-year-2015031011
New Zealand’s nett greenhouse gas emissions have not increased since I became Prime Minister http://www.inthehouse.co.nz/video/36073
If you think about iTunes, if you download a song and it’s $1.29, there’s no reason the GST shouldn’t apply to that. In reality, GST would be 2 cents
The timing of the release of information about GCSB spying on Tim Grocer’s WTO rivals was deliberate and all part of a particular agenda by Nicky Hager and some others http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11422241
Major roading projects and the free trade deal with Korea will be at risk if Winston Peters wins the Northland electiohttp://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/67315696/nats-roads-in-doubt-if-winston-winsn


bwhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

hahahahahahahahahahahahahah
hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

and that guy is supposedly the very best alternative there is. Oy veh, we are so fucked!

[Flip]

Looks like Winston is going to get in.....

Yeefuchingha!

[oldrider]

Looks like Winston is going to get in.....

Yeefuchingha!

JK and his American masters will not be pleased with Winston - but I will be - that will mean a lot to Winston I am sure! :lol:

[oldrider]

George tells it like it is - can you recognise our government in there?:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyHZ5Ru4XBo . right on track! :corn:

[blue rider]

http://d3lgc28rsiigal.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/key-kumara-465x620.jpg?582dba


bwhahahahahahahhahahah

Winston is coming!

http://d3lgc28rsiigal.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Winston-Peters-Northland-cropped2-100x100.jpg?582dba

[oldrider]

Winston is back - just saw it on TV! - Started a new thread. :shifty: Interesting I reckon!

[Brian d marge]

JK and his American masters will not be pleased with Winston - but I will be - that will mean a lot to Winston I am sure! :lol:
bigger picture , as long as nz keeps the faith all is well . . , start using a non petro and ur arse gets handedto u on a plate real quick
hows that centre left doing . .

[oldrider]

bigger picture , as long as nz keeps the faith all is well . . , start using a non petro and ur arse gets handedto u on a plate real quick
hows that centre left doing . .

Key government no longer out on it's own - does this mean case closed for this thread? - or does it simply intensify the watch on them all? :shit:

[James Deuce]

Key government no longer out on it's own - does this mean case closed for this thread? - or does it simply intensify the watch on them all? :shit:

I'm not sure, but I think the tangible outcome is that Winston gets more money for having a real seat in Parliament.

[Mo NZ]

The good thing coming from this is key no longer has a majority to do what ever the hell he wants.
The RMA act is just the beginning. Go get him Winston.

[oldrider]

I'm not sure, but I think the tangible outcome is that Winston gets more money for having a real seat in Parliament.

Well I never knew that! - He should pay the taxpayer for the privilege!

His politics are flexible though - left or right or completely up himself - whatever the situation commands! - Winston First! - every time! :corn:

[husaberg]

John Key 2008 regarding allegations of improper donation of Winton Peters legal costs

National Party Leader John Key says Winston Peters would be unacceptable as a Minister in a government led by him unless Mr Peters can provide a credible explanation on the Owen Glenn saga.
"Labour Party donor Owen Glenn's letter to the Privileges Committee completely contradicts Winston Peters' version of events about the substantial $100,000 donation made by Mr Glenn to Mr Peters' legal costs.
"Mr Glenn's letter represents a direct challenge to Mr Peters' credibility, from the only other person in the world in a position to know the facts.
"From Parliament's point of view, the Privileges Committee provides an appropriate vehicle to resolve the points of conflict and to hold individuals to account. But from the Prime Minister's and the Government's point of view, that is not enough.
"Governments and Ministers must enjoy the confidence of the Parliament and, ultimately, the public. Faced with today's revelations, it is no longer acceptable for Mr Peters to offer bluster and insults where simple, courteous, honest answers are required.
"It is no longer acceptable or credible for Helen Clark to assert a facade of confidence in her Foreign Affairs Minister and to fail to ask the plain questions of him that she has a duty to the public to ask.
"Faced with today's revelations, Helen Clark must stand Mr Peters down as a Minister. That is what I would do if I were Prime Minister.

Handling of John Banks Kim Dot Com donations

Note Kim Dotcom himself told the New Zealand Herald and TV3's Campbell Live program about his own donations, saying that the $50,000 was split at Banks' request, that the cheques were written out in the presence of Banks, and that Banks called him a few days later to thank him


John Key 2012-13
Prime Minister John Key has staunchly backed John Banks since allegations regarding his mishandling of donations first surfaced.
Key on April 30, 2012 saying he had sought assurances from Banks that he had acted lawfully:
- "I've asked directly the question, I've been given an assurance by Mr Banks that he complied with all the local government regulations and laws and I accept him at his word."
Key on September 16 2012 on accepting Banks' word:
- "I accept his word, I accept the law is very ambiguous, and I accept that the Labour Party is using this as a politically motivated attempt to get to the Government.''
Key on September 16 2012 on whether lying was a sackable offence for ministers:
- "The test for whether someone can be a minister is whether they enjoy my confidence. If a minister tells me this is my position and this is what I've done, I accept their word in good faith unless it's proven otherwise."
Key on September 17 2012, rejecting calls for Banks to be sacked:
"I accept him at his word, no charges have been laid and he's not going to be found guilty of anything. There is no case to be held against Mr Banks, he hasn't broken the law."
Key in Parliament on September 18 2012 when questioned about why he would not read the police report:
"Because I don't need to. The test is whether I can rely on the member's word. He'd given me an assurance he met the law.
Key on October 16 2013 after Banks stood down as minister pending trial:
"He could have argued that he was going to guts it out because he claims strongly that he's innocent, but realistically for a minister to be in the Government and defending potentially a fraud charge, I think, you know, he made the right decision to offer his resignation."
Key on October 16, 2013 in regards to Bank's future if he escaped conviction::
if Mr Banks is successful on appeal or proved to be not guilty at trial, it is my intention to reinstate him as a Minister.
A statement from Key's office on June 4 following the guilty verdict:
"The Prime Minister has this afternoon acknowledged Justice Wylie's decision that ACT MP John Banks is guilty of filing a false electoral return. Mr Key, who is currently in Niue on the Pacific Mission, says he cannot comment while the matter is still before the court."

[mashman]

"Pay levels of world leaders - Annual salary in 2015 (USD)

1. Lee Hsien Loong, Singpore, $1,700,000
2. Barack Obama, United States, $400,00
3. Stephen Harper, Cananda, $260,000"
(https://nz.finance.yahoo.com/news/world-leader-makes-more-money-160431824.html)... the correction in the story is kind of amusing.

How much does dear leader earn each year? And for the hard of hearing, I'm referring to dear leader as the position, not the person currently filling the position.

[Brian d marge]

"Pay levels of world leaders - Annual salary in 2015 (USD)

1. Lee Hsien Loong, Singpore, $1,700,000
2. Barack Obama, United States, $400,00
3. Stephen Harper, Cananda, $260,000"
(https://nz.finance.yahoo.com/news/world-leader-makes-more-money-160431824.html)... the correction in the story is kind of amusing.

How much does dear leader earn each year? And for the hard of hearing, I'm referring to dear leader as the position, not the person currently filling the position.
thirty pieces of silver

[mashman]

thirty pieces of silver

heh... and a round of golf with the world's greatest leader.

[Brian d marge]

heh... and a round of golf with the world's greatest leader.
he was killed in the 60s by the cia

[mashman]

he was killed in the 60s by the cia

There's always another one... likely educated by the cia too.

[blue rider]

pathetic is the only word that comes to mind

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1504/S00041/planet-key-judgment-watson-jones-v-electoral-commission.htm


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nv25tcS6J-s

[oldrider]

Key claimed his government would :-
Reverse the drift to Australia
Improve the economy etc

Well!

Drift is reversed
Economy is better than Australia
$ Dollar value equity or better than Australia
Employment has improved.

TPPA threat aside - Where would we be had we elected the alternatives on offer at the time? :confused:

[Scuba_Steve]

TPPA threat aside - Where would we be had we elected the alternatives on offer at the time? :confused:

With Lamas & ice cream & without Hamilton


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfSza2nE-eQ

[oldrider]

With Lamas & ice cream & without Hamilton

[vido=youtube;IfSza2nE-eQ]ht://ww.youtube.co/watch?=IfSza2nE-eQ[/vieo]

That pineapple looks promising for the political future what's it's policy on the TPPA? :whistle:

[Brian d marge]

Lama
from nowhere

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/04/06/d26b72c21ab286b4b636cfaacd0a02d4.jpg

the only reason we aint as bad as australia is because we havent set in motion QE . .and we have had austerity for a while now . .

[mashman]

TPPA threat aside - Where would we be had we elected the alternatives on offer at the time? :confused:


the only reason we aint as bad as australia is because we havent set in motion QE . .and we have had austerity for a while now . .

Creative accounting, bullshit and a globe full of easily appeased dipshits that believe that the richer your country is, the better the country looks after it's civilians. Does it really matter who is in power if the outcome is being dictated?

[Scuba_Steve]

That pineapple looks promising for the political future what's it's policy on the TPPA? :whistle:

Well lets just say it won't be signing it* ;)



*this may or may not be related to it's inability to sign:innocent:

[mada]

Key claimed his government would :-
Reverse the drift to Australia
Improve the economy etc

Well!

Drift is reversed
Economy is better than Australia
$ Dollar value equity or better than Australia
Employment has improved.

TPPA threat aside - Where would we be had we elected the alternatives on offer at the time? :confused:

:facepalm:

How's the wage parity going between Aus and NZ? The Drift hasn't reversed, we still have thousands more kiwis leaving to Aus than staying, it's just that our net arrivals (new migrants - Chinese, Indian, Fillipino ) are now slightly more than those leaving.

A year before getting into power he claimed he would make us like Ireland.... and we're following that tract - a hands off economy that tanked over due to an inflated housing boom. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_property_bubble

The housing bubble of Auckland hasn't stopped, and exports to China are beginning to wane off and be less profitable (the same reason why Australia's economy is tanking = less Chinese demand for raw materials). The housing boom and slow Christchurch rebuild is contributing to GDP growth. GDP is such a pointless measure for basing the success of one's "economic performance" given that Crime contributes to it positively - how are the resolution rates going for property crimes and reported crimes? Response rates for 111 calls? Surely these will do even better when more Police stations are shut down.:facepalm:

IMF has warning us for the last couple of years about the major threats to our economy - reliance on China, over inflated housing market. What's been done?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/10139965/IMF-warns-NZ-about-housing-bubble

The only thing rock hard about our economy is the erections of a few rose tinted John Key fans who fail to comprehend what decreasing milk prices, increasing numbers of suicides and attempted suicides amongst dairy farmers, hundreds of forestry job losses nationwide, building companies and contractors collapsing in Christchurch despite the "rebuild" are indicators of.

[oldrider]

Are you guys trying to tell me that TV1 News have been mischievous in their interpretation/presentation of the facts ? - :scratch:

[Brian d marge]

:facepalm:

How's the wage parity going between Aus and NZ? The Drift hasn't reversed, we still have thousands more kiwis leaving to Aus than staying, it's just that our net arrivals (new migrants - Chinese, Indian, Fillipino ) are now slightly more than those leaving.

A year before getting into power he claimed he would make us like Ireland.... and we're following that tract - a hands off economy that tanked over due to an inflated housing boom. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_property_bubble

The housing bubble of Auckland hasn't stopped, and exports to China are beginning to wane off and be less profitable (the same reason why Australia's economy is tanking = less Chinese demand for raw materials). The housing boom and slow Christchurch rebuild is contributing to GDP growth. GDP is such a pointless measure for basing the success of one's "economic performance" given that Crime contributes to it positively - how are the resolution rates going for property crimes and reported crimes? Response rates for 111 calls? Surely these will do even better when more Police stations are shut down.:facepalm:

IMF has warning us for the last couple of years about the major threats to our economy - reliance on China, over inflated housing market. What's been done?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/10139965/IMF-warns-NZ-about-housing-bubble

The only thing rock hard about our economy is the erections of a few rose tinted John Key fans who fail to comprehend what decreasing milk prices, increasing numbers of suicides and attempted suicides amongst dairy farmers, hundreds of forestry job losses nationwide, building companies and contractors collapsing in Christchurch despite the "rebuild" are indicators of.
hahahaha

There is a bit of money floating about..
But at the end of the day it cannot continue. The average Joe blow just wont be able to afford the basics
At that point . .London atm . the thing will tank . . . .
it wont be on shonkeys watch . .
it will be some poor smuck they want to demonize .a maori prime minister or the greens

anyway there is an old saying . . make hay while the sunshines

Take equity　out off your portfolio
spread the risk and run as far away from america . .dollar . as far away as you can get. ,
not sure if that vintage trumpy is a hard asset worth pursuing
but it might help

stephen

[Brian d marge]

Are you guys trying to tell me that TV1 News have been mischievous in their interpretation/presentation of the facts ? - :scratch:
no they have dutifully reported what they have been told to

even that lesbian pitbull on national radio is doing a mighty fine job

[Oscar]

no they have dutifully reported what they have been told to

even that lesbian pitbull on national radio is doing a mighty fine job

-Yawn-

It really burns you guys up when things are going well, don't it?

Got a big tax refund today, which I'll likely spend on another old BMW.
Maybe I'll pay beneficaries to stand as trials markers and some as obstacles to ride over...

[Brian d marge]

-Yawn-

It really burns you guys up when things are going well, don't it?

Got a big tax refund today, which I'll likely spend on another old BMW.
Maybe I'll pay beneficaries to stand as trials markers and some as obstacles to ride over...
I would be putting it away to pay for your caregiver later in life as karma is going to be a byatch

[bogan]

I would be putting it away to pay for your caregiver later in life as kama is going to be a byatch

Is that Tama's sister?

Are you implying that beneficiaries/markers/obstacles are of predominantly Maori descent? fuck that's racist.

[mashman]

Are you guys trying to tell me that TV1 News have been mischievous in their interpretation/presentation of the facts ? - :scratch:

They're as independent and honest as politicians.

[mada]

Are you guys trying to tell me that TV1 News have been mischievous in their interpretation/presentation of the facts ? - :scratch:


Role of the media

Throughout the bubble, newspapers and media played a vital role in hyping property. No national newspaper was without a glossy property supplement and weekend papers were often equally filled with property ads, reviews of new developments, stories of successful purchases, makeovers, and a gamut of columnists relating their property experiences. TV and radio schedules were filled with further property porn - house-hunting programs and house makeover programs were regular features on every channel. Even in July 2007, Irish Independent journalist/comedian Brendan O'Connor urged people to buy property, even as the bubble was clearly bursting.[39] In April 2011, journalist Vincent Browne admitted that the Irish media had played an important role in adding to the frenzy of the Irish property bubble.[40

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_property_bubble

Ofcourse we don't have that here with our media do we :killingme

[Brian d marge]

Is that Tama's sister?

Are you implying that beneficiaries/markers/obstacles are of predominantly Maori descent? fuck that's racist.
i know my words r da biz but dude thats a long shot even for my standards

answer

no

[Ocean1]

the richer your country is, the better the country looks after it's civilians.

This isn't working for you?


The housing bubble of Auckland hasn't stopped, and exports to China are beginning to wane off and be less profitable (the same reason why Australia's economy is tanking = less Chinese demand for raw materials).

Outside of a bit of timber we're selling fuck all raw materials to China, we're selling mostly high-end dairy products and wool. Which isn't a bad market to be in now that China's massive infrastructure bubble is dwindling and the new Chinese middle class have some money to spend. In fact we're doing very nicely out of it.

Sorry, you'll have to look elsewhere for your doom shit.

[Ocean1]

Maybe I'll pay beneficaries to stand as trials markers and some as obstacles to ride over...

We already pay them... for something. Not sure there's much traction to be had there, though to be honest.

[Brian d marge]

This isn't working for you?



Outside of a bit of timber we're selling fuck all raw materials to China, we're selling mostly high-end dairy products and wool. Which isn't a bad market to be in now that China's massive infrastructure bubble is dwindling and the new Chinese middle class have some money to spend. In fact we're doing very nicely out of it.

Sorry, you'll have to look elsewhere for your doom shit.
Well while Im waiting for it to trickle down

Perhaps you can show me the benefits

When I last drove through nrth canty to see the folks . .the pine trees were gone and huge areas of irrigated fast growing grass . . Or what ever they use now . . Was both an eyesore and a crime against nature Imho

Oh well as long as the goose spits out those golden eggs at an increasingly faster rate

[Ocean1]

Well while Im waiting for it to trickle down

You lazy socialist cunts always do.


Perhaps you can show me the

Can't be fucked. Just go look for evidence your standard of living is massively better than it's ever been, it's difficult to miss.


When I last drove through nrth canty to see the folks . .the pine trees were gone and huge areas of irrigated fast growing grass . . Or what ever they use now . . Was both an eyesore and a crime against nature Imho


News: grass is probably closer to "natural" than the American pine trees planted there 50 years ago to make work for dole bludgers.


Oh well as long as the goose spits out those golden eggs at an increasingly faster rate

And it will. As long as productivity continues to be rewarded and whining ingrates crying about how hard it all is in the face of spectacularly easy living conditions are ignored as the lunatic twats they are.

[Brian d marge]

You lazy socialist cunts always do.



Can't be fucked. Just go look for evidence your standard of living is massively better than it's ever been, it's difficult to miss.



News: grass is probably closer to "natural" than the American pine trees planted there 50 years ago to make work for dole bludgers.



And it will. As long as productivity continues to be rewarded and whining ingrates crying about how hard it all is in the face of spectacularly easy living conditions are ignored as the lunatic twats they are.
I see you have been out on the new bike diving pass the obvious again

[mashman]

This isn't working for you?

Oh it's working just fine for me on a personal level... but taking into consideration the wider community, no, it's not working for me.

[Oscar]

Oh it's working just fine for me on a personal level... but taking into consideration the wider community, no, it's not working for me.

If you're that concerned about the wider community, why do you spend so much time talking shit on the interweb when you could be helping out somewhere?