Key Government out on its own. No one else to blame!

[oldrider]

Good result? ... Key Government majority ... no one else to blame ... what you see is what you get ... but is what you get, what you need or want?

Firstly ... who does John Key really serve? ... the New Zealand taxpayers? ... or is he really beholden to Zionist Israel, USA, New world order? etc.

Time to learn as much as you can about John Key! ... he is not where he is by accident! ... he is not doing it for fun! ... everything he does is for a calculated reason!

Accumulate material and information on this thread, simply information that can be studied and help individuals form their own opinions from it!

We have 3 years to find out the truth about John Key and who he truly represents so that we can either support him again next time or kick him into touch! :kick:

[The Reibz]

Want me to order you in some tin foil for your hats cuz?

[bogan]

Clearly it is the reptilians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reptilians) at work

Incidentally explains global warming too dunnit...

[haydes55]

If I had to choose a PM out of the current crop, no one is better than john key.



I voted for Winny Petes (his hood name) just to take a vote away from john key, in vein hope that national wouldn't be the all powerful government. I'd like to see more than one party have a say in the country.

[Oakie]

Just for a bit of colour and not saying it means anything but ... my 7 year old grandaughter wrote John Key a letter a couple of months back about how much she enjoys school. A little while later she got a nice response back from him (probably written by a staffer) but also enclosed was a signed handwritten note from the man himself saying how much he enjoyed reading her letter when he found it in his other papers that day. You know anyone who takes the time to respond to a non-voter like that with an election in full-swing is not all bad!

[pzkpfw]

...
Time to learn as much as you can about John Key! ... he is not where he is by accident! ... he is not doing it for fun! ... everything he does is for a calculated reason!
...


Is what we learned about the other potential leaders, that they are where they are by accident, that they do do it for fun, and everything they do is for random reasons?

[Stylo]

We have 3 years to find out the truth about John Key and who he truly represents so that we can either support him again next time or kick him into touch!

It'll take more than three years for the Labour party to even stop bickering amongst themselves let alone appoint a cohesive leader.

I used to support Labour too, that was a while ago, Helen arrived on the scene and scared me off for good

[R650R]

New boss is same as the old boss, same shit, different day...

I'm proud to be in the top near 25% of kiwis, a whole million of us who are smart enough to know its all a sham and not worth voting.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10526861/Voter-turnout-near-record-low

[bogan]

New boss is same as the old boss, same shit, different day...

I'm proud to be in the top near 25% of kiwis, a whole million of us who are smart enough to know its all a sham and not worth voting.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10526861/Voter-turnout-near-record-low

Fuck off, I'm part of that 25% too :bleh: I don't think it a sham, just this year they were all dicks, and I had work to do, and it was cold outside.

[mashman]

YAY a lynch mob thread. It matters not who the leader is as there is an entire party behind them. And behind them will be their pay masters... for the plebs that's business and the unions... for the educated, "them".

[Scuba_Steve]

Hey ya can't blame me; I voted for ice-cream & llamas

[avgas]

I was gonna vote for the other guy - and found out he was retarded.
So then I was gonna vote for one of the smaller partied - and concluded that would make me look retarded.

So I didn't vote - because I couldn't find anyone worth it.
So I guess that means I can't complain according to some. Because you can only do that - after proving you are retarded, or you like retards.

Funny world.

[Berries]

The top story on the news tonight was some pissed up rugby head followed by some weather in the north island so the election is now officially over and you can all stop whinging for another three years because there is fuck all you can do about it.


Bring on the llamas.

[Oakie]

The top story on the news tonight was some pissed up rugby head followed by some weather in the north island so the election is now officially over and you can all stop whinging for another three years because there is fuck all you can do about it. .

Made quite a nice change didn't it.

[Akzle]

i havent even checked how well i polled. My 'vote ax' campaign obviously missed the mark. I blame all you faggots.

I dont consent to be governed.

[Woodman]

YAY a lynch mob thread. It matters not who the leader is as there is an entire party behind them. And behind them will be their pay masters... for the plebs that's business and the unions... for the educated, "them".



You mean................THEY ?

[bogan]

I dont consent to be governed.

Your explicit consent is not required.

As the system is there to protect us, so must we be there to protect the system.

[husaberg]

John Key is a very very clever man.
google the very old doco on him when he was a Forex trader
According to his boss at the time he never once lost on a individual deal.

He is also a hollow sham of a PM.
Unable to give a straight answer, other than the one he gave about the jersey looking a bit gay.
He is always out of the country or he can not recall when asked a tough question.


That said what was the alternative?
Labour need a politician with guts......... but I am pretty sure Helen and Michael got rid of anyone with any ambition long long ago

[mashman]

You mean................THEY ?

Them too...

[Scuba_Steve]

As the system is there to protect us, so must we be there to protect the system.

Is that what your Govt told you?

[bogan]

Is that what your Govt told you?

Not in so many words, but someone has to stand up to the filthy communists awash on our shores...

[Akzle]

Your explicit consent is not required.

As the system is there to protect us, so must we be there to protect the system.
i think you'll find, when it comes to matters of caught, that yeah, they do actually need consent, you probably give it unknowingly. i dont.

You mean................THEY ?

yes. the secret board of dark shadowy figures.
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/bFs_4MCkvFk/0.jpg

[Scuba_Steve]

Not in so many words, but someone has to stand up to the filthy communists awash on our shores...

Well that aint gonna be your Govt they're continuously trying to get in bed with the communists.

[bogan]

i think you'll find, when it comes to matters of caught, that yeah, they do actually need consent, you probably give it unknowingly. i dont.

Other way around son, implicit consent, which I give knowingly by residing in the country of said govt trumps explicit dissent.


Well that aint gonna be your Govt they're continuously trying to get in bed with the communists.

Hey I'll get in bed with a commie if that's a goer (I'm not fussy) but as for adopting their filthy ideals, nah, don't think this govt will be doing that.

[Scuba_Steve]

Hey I'll get in bed with a commie if that's a goer (I'm not fussy) but as for adopting their filthy ideals, nah, don't think this govt will be doing that.

Your Govt may not but if their Govt becomes your Govt things might change.

[bogan]

Your Govt may not but if their Govt becomes your Govt things might change.

Exactly my original point, we have to keep the filthy commies at bay so they don't irrecoverably advance into the ranks of our voters to cast down our capitalist overlords and shackle us to the communist war machine.

[mashman]

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_1yZDNu8eN84/TSOJQ7IOyaI/AAAAAAAABfU/EXY9QIm3EtQ/s400/be-afraid.png

[Akzle]

Other way around son, implicit consent, which I give knowingly by residing in the country of said govt trumps explicit dissent.

no. it doesn't.

[Scuba_Steve]

Exactly my original point, we have to keep the filthy commies at bay so they don't irrecoverably advance into the ranks of our voters to cast down our capitalist overlords and shackle us to the communist war machine.

But people voted in the people most likely to sell us off to the "communist war machine" simply because they're capitalists & it could make them a few $$$

[Big Dave]

Should change the name of this place to Anti-Semite Redneck Biker.

[bogan]

no. it doesn't.

Go piss on a policeman's shoes and then tell me how it doesn't :nya:


But people voted in the people most likely to sell us off to the "communist war machine" simply because they're capitalists & it could make them a few $$$

Nah, they'll just sell our shit, we're clearly not worth selling so will be fine. :innocent:

[Akzle]

Go piss on a policeman's shoes and then tell me how it doesn't :nya:
:

a) why would i do that
b) police are, largely, ignorant cunts.

[bogan]

a) why would i do that
b) police are, largely, ignorant cunts.

Would show you just how much consent you need to provide (implicit or otherwise) to be 'governed' though wouldn't it :spanking:

[Akzle]

Would show you just how much consent you need to provide (implicit or otherwise) to be 'governed' though wouldn't it :spanking:

i think you'll find i specifically mentioned "at caught" not "dealing with morons on the street"
just because it's legal, doesn't make it right. and just because cops do it, doesn't make it legal, and just because they say it or enforce it, also doesn't.

also governance and enforcement are two different words.

and what would happen would, i should hope, be the same as if i pissed on anyone else's shoes. a kick in the nuts or so.

[Laava]

Should change the name of this place to Anti-Semite Redneck Biker.

Yeah, but it's only a couple of hate filled no life cunts Dave. Trotting out the same old boring stories time and again. i love the one where Axehole gives the cops the learn and they back off with their tails between their legs. Because in real life he is fucken intimidating let me tell ya!

[oldrider]

Should change the name of this place to Anti-Semite Redneck Biker.

Bullshit ... only if that semite is a Zionist and thats the point of suspicion Zionism and "all" it stands for!... Big difference! :shifty:

[Akzle]

Yeah, but it's only a couple of hate filled no life cunts Dave. Trotting out the same old boring stories time and again. i love the one where Axehole gives the cops the learn and they back off with their tails between their legs. Because in real life he is fucken intimidating let me tell ya!

i missed that one, how'd it go again?

[bogan]

i think you'll find i specifically mentioned "at caught" not "dealing with morons on the street"
just because it's legal, doesn't make it right. and just because cops do it, doesn't make it legal, and just because they say it or enforce it, also doesn't.

also governance and enforcement are two different words.

and what would happen would, i should hope, be the same as if i pissed on anyone else's shoes. a kick in the nuts or so.

See, I reckon that stammering away with excuses why you don't wish to defy the government is much that same as implicit acceptance of their right to govern.

Maybe one day you'll grow the balls to live up to your talk, but until then, thanks for your implicit approval of our system of governance :2thumbsup

[Akzle]

See, I reckon that stammering away with excuses why you don't wish to defy the government is much that same as implicit acceptance of their right to govern.

Maybe one day you'll grow the balls to live up to your talk, but until then, thanks for your implicit approval of our system of governance :2thumbsup

i cant begin to comprehend why i'd piss on someones shoes...
I dont not-piss-on-shoes because it would be illegal (?)...

[SVboy]

Good result? ... Key Government majority ... no one else to blame ... what you see is what you get ... but is what you get, what you need or want?

Firstly ... who does John Key really serve? ... the New Zealand taxpayers? ... or is he really beholden to Zionist Israel, USA, New world order? etc.

Time to learn as much as you can about John Key! ... he is not where he is by accident! ... he is not doing it for fun! ... everything he does is for a calculated reason!

Accumulate material and information on this thread, simply information that can be studied and help individuals form their own opinions from it!

We have 3 years to find out the truth about John Key and who he truly represents so that we can either support him again next time or kick him into touch! :kick:

Somebodies caregiver left the lid off the medication jar!!

[bogan]

i cant begin to comprehend why i'd piss on someones shoes...
I dont not-piss-on-shoes because it would be illegal (?)...

Exactly, implicit approval by way of agreeing with the laws of the land.

[Akzle]

Exactly, implicit approval by way of agreeing with the laws of the land.

not at all.
and you're confusing "law" with "legislation"

[avgas]

They voted for an erection and a change of stimulus.

With Key in a beehive. We are half way there.

He just has to stand really tall and hard, and everyone else runs around him as busy as they can. (that's all they voted for)

Then if we get really lucky - eventually he will explode all over the place. Coating the inside of the beehive with what I am told is "whale oil".

[bogan]

not at all.
and you're confusing "law" with "legislation"

Ah, so you implicitly approve of all our laws, just not some legislation... Are you just pushing for me-me-me stuff like speeding on roads, smoking weed, and increased benefits?

Fucking pleb, grow some balls, or some brains.

[Akzle]

Ah, so you implicitly approve of all our laws, just not some legislation... Are you just pushing for me-me-me stuff like speeding on roads, smoking weed, and increased benefits?

Fucking pleb, grow some balls, or some brains.

i'm not doing anything implicitly. you would have to define "our laws" - because i have a sneaky suspicion you really mean "crown legislation"

and i'm not pushing for anything. of your examples: i don't approve of speeding (NB, if your narrow mind can grasp it, speeding is separate from "exceeding the posted limit") and not a me-centric thing either.
smoking weed, absolutely, but i don't see how that is me-centric either
increased benefits? no, i want them reduced, massively. public servants should only derive as much benefit as they're able to contribute. both politicians and police should have their benefit/pay aligned to the national average wage, that might motivate the fuckers to actually make things better for everyone.
i assume, though, that you meant welfare, like, unemployment and having-ten-kids-cos-you're-black kind of "benefits", yes? them.... i'd raise them a bit but change how they're done.
i'd also ban woodstock and holiday 40s.

[bogan]

i'm not doing anything implicitly. you would have to define "our laws" - because i have a sneaky suspicion you really mean "crown legislation"

and i'm not pushing for anything. of your examples: i don't approve of speeding (NB, if your narrow mind can grasp it, speeding is separate from "exceeding the posted limit") and not a me-centric thing either.
smoking weed, absolutely, but i don't see how that is me-centric either
increased benefits? no, i want them reduced, massively. public servants should only derive as much benefit as they're able to contribute. both politicians and police should have their benefit/pay aligned to the national average wage, that might motivate the fuckers to actually make things better for everyone.
i assume, though, that you meant welfare, like, unemployment and having-ten-kids-cos-you're-black kind of "benefits", yes? them.... i'd raise them a bit but change how they're done.
i'd also ban woodstock and holiday 40s.

Hehehe, you're almost as predictable as you are impotent aksy.

[swbarnett]

As the system is there to protect us,
If only!

It may have started out that way but now the system is there to feather the nests of those that know how to play it.

[swbarnett]

You know anyone who takes the time to respond to a non-voter like that with an election in full-swing is not all bad!
Ordinarily I'd agree with you. However, in tha case of a politician (any politician) it could well come down to knowing your voters and how to play them. John Key certainly understands the value of apperaing to be a nice guy.

[Akzle]

ohn Key certainly understands the value of apperaing to be a nice guy.

then how is it that ~90% of people think he's a cunt?

[Akzle]

Hehehe, you're almost as predictable as you are impotent aksy.

well, that moved the conversation forward....

[caseye]

then how is it that ~90% of people think he's a cunt?

I'd say that nearly! 90% of people here in NZ knew they didn't want some of those bad word people in power when they could have JK for a lot less pain and suffering, I'd say that the voting public actually have a much better handle on whats going on than most would suspect.
Seriously, the lab, green, partly maori (nz where) party? or a mob who have steered us quite bloody admirably though six years of absolute shiet .
Rocket scientists most NZ voters are not, but stupid, yeah,Na!

[mashman]

Seriously, the lab, green, partly maori (nz where) party? or a mob who have steered us quite bloody admirably though six years of absolute shiet .


Agree with the other stuff, but any monkey could run a country borrowing the amount of money that has been borrowed.

"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." - Reagan.

[mstriumph]

................

Firstly ... who does John Key really serve? ... the New Zealand taxpayers? ... or is he really beholden to Zionist Israel, USA, New world order? etc.

................................................. :kick: here you go ... a focus for your prejudice ;)
http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=183


.... and you missed out the one about them eating Christian babies? :whistle:

[mstriumph]

then how is it that ~90% of people think he's a cunt?
dunno....
'cause he's a stealth cunt?

[mstriumph]

They voted for an erection and a change of stimulus.

With Key in a beehive. We are half way there.

He just has to stand really tall and hard, and everyone else runs around him as busy as they can. (that's all they voted for)

Then if we get really lucky - eventually he will explode all over the place. Coating the inside of the beehive with what I am told is "whale oil".

i wondered what the hell was going on with the sexual innuendo here ... until I realised you were calling him a dick ;)

[avgas]

i wondered what the hell was going on with the sexual innuendo here ... until I realised you were calling him a dick ;)
Did you vote during the erection too?

I wonder who voted for the pussies and that arsehole?

[oldrider]

here you go ... a focus for your prejudice ;)
http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=183


.... and you missed out the one about them eating Christian babies? :whistle:

Really? With all due respect what was it you guys claimed about shooting the messenger?

To seek and try to understand is not prejudice, there is a lot of stuff out there as you have so ably demonstrated with your link!

It is not unreasonable to wonder whether or not (with his known background) our John Key has links and loyalties to these people!

And if he does have these links, again as you have so ably demonstrated, it is obvious who his loyalties will serve first! :yes:

That was the object of my original post and the answers might now become more obvious over the next three years with more freedom to govern as he likes! :shifty:

[swbarnett]

then how is it that ~90% of people think he's a cunt?
I actually doubt that's true. What's your source?

[Akzle]

I actually doubt that's true. What's your source?

90% of people.
well, ones i deal with, and that canvases a fairly large cross section of the population.

[Woodman]

90% of people.
well, ones i deal with, and that canvases a fairly large cross section of the population.

Then you need to hang around with a better class of people, otherwise they will drag you down.

[Akzle]

Then you need to hang around with a better class of people, otherwise they will drag you down.

i don't "hang" with any particular class of people.
i do have dealings with all manner of people, from downright niggers, to whores, to senior business analysts, CEOs, even the odd jew. (and, i'll admit, accountants), farmers, fuckwits, faggots and females, even.

and i've been known to listen to talkback.

there's three people i suspect are nationalites, but they also believe buildings fall down when planes don't hit them, so....

[swbarnett]

90% of people.
well, ones i deal with, and that canvases a fairly large cross section of the population.
Anecdotal evidence and observations from one person go to show an opinion that can't reliably be extrapolated to the entire population.

[Akzle]

Anecdotal evidence and observations from one person go to show an opinion that can't reliably be extrapolated to the entire population.

you actually disagree with the figure or just want to argue?

[trustme]

48% of the electorate voted for National, unprecedented under MMP. Helen never got much over 40% . Your 90 % is wishful thinking, do you seriously believe that all those people voted for someone they despise.
Time to get a new set of friends that don't have blinkers.

[Voltaire]

48% of the electorate voted for National, unprecedented under MMP. Helen never got much over 40% . Your 90 % is wishful thinking, do you seriously believe that all those people voted for someone they despise.
Time to get a new set of friends that don't have blinkers.

Trustme's Diary:
6:30- Wake up and argue with tossers on the internet.:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Bikemad]

i do have dealings with all manner of people, from downright niggers,his mates, to whores,his girlfriend, to senior business analysts,his winz case worker, CEOs,the guy at the liquor shop, even the odd jewteller at the bank when he picks up his bene,. (and, i'll admit, accountants)IRD,, farmers,guy at the vege shop, fuckwits,more of his mates, faggotshis "special friend", and females,his Mum even.

and i've been known to listen to talkback.



talkback eh....where you gets your best ideas

[mstriumph]

Did you vote during the erection too?

I wonder who voted for the pussies and that arsehole?

i'm not sure yet that I believe in politics - so no, not I ;)

[mstriumph]

Really? With all due respect what was it you guys claimed about shooting the messenger?

To seek and try to understand is not prejudice, there is a lot of stuff out there as you have so ably demonstrated with your link!

It is not unreasonable to wonder whether or not (with his known background) our John Key has links and loyalties to these people!

And if he does have these links, again as you have so ably demonstrated, it is obvious who his loyalties will serve first! :yes:

That was the object of my original post and the answers might now become more obvious over the next three years with more freedom to govern as he likes! :shifty:

"you guys"? "these people"?? :facepalm:
i don't like John Key or any other self-interested, tunnel-visioned person - don't like bigots, either

and I WILL comment on it when I see it ... otherwise such folks may take my silence as approbation.

"First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me."

Friedrich Gustav Emil Martin Niemöller (14 January 1892 – 6 March 1984)

[oldrider]

"you guys"? "these people"?? :facepalm:
i don't like John Key or any other self-interested, tunnel-visioned person - don't like bigots, either

and I WILL comment on it when I see it ... otherwise such folks may take my silence as approbation.

"First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me."

Friedrich Gustav Emil Martin Niemöller (14 January 1892 – 6 March 1984)

Likewise, I see some who appear to be holding the world to ransom and I ask why and can this be true? ... Don't see much difference really! :no:

I didn't vote for John Key and his team either but I don't dislike him (I don't know him) and I am happy with the result of the election!

Because I simply wonder where his loyalties really lie, your inference appears to suggest that that makes me a bigot!

[Swoop]

i don't "hang" with any particular class of people.
i do have dealings with all manner of people, from downright niggers, to whores, to senior business analysts, CEOs, even the odd jew. (and, i'll admit, accountants), farmers, fuckwits, faggots and females, even.
You meet all sorts at PD.

[Akzle]

48% of the electorate voted for National, unprecedented under MMP. Helen never got much over 40% . Your 90 % is wishful thinking, do you seriously believe that all those people voted for someone they despise.
Time to get a new set of friends that don't have blinkers.
aha. and i probably have more to do with the million that elected not to vote... guess who they do or dont support...

and yes, i believe a lot of pricks voted for "the lesser of two evils" despite a personal opposition to JK. remember he's just the puppet at the top, the national party have sound fiscal policies...

talkback eh....where you gets your best ideas

:killingme:clap::clap:

[Akzle]

You meet all sorts at PD.

pah! they don't catch me.

[Ulsterkiwi]

aha. and i probably have more to do with the million that elected not to vote... guess who they do or dont support...

sure that is all that can be claimed, a guess. Your claim seems to be that because someone chose not to vote they do not support National, ergo they do support the opposition parties?

The choice to not participate in the democratic process is part of the democratic process whatever the motivation for non-participation. It a complete load of Akzleshit to say non-voting means anything other than people didnt vote.

[Akzle]

sure that is all that can be claimed, a guess. Your claim seems to be that because someone chose not to vote they do not support National, ergo they do support the opposition parties?

The choice to not participate in the democratic process is part of the democratic process whatever the motivation for non-participation.

i asked the question. that is, 1 million people who usually vote, chose not to, your guess as to whether all of them either dont support national, or do support the opposition. or whatever the fuck logic you're trying to wrangle.


It a complete load of Akzleshit to say non-voting means anything other than people didnt vote.

and i don't believe i was drawing that bow...

[trustme]

Trustme's Diary:
6:30- Wake up and argue with tossers on the internet.:laugh::laugh::laugh:


I like to start the morning on a bright note, winding up the tossers amuses my perverted sense of humour.

6:30 You'd be sliding into those slippers & lighting the first pipe for the day .:motu:

[mashman]

and i don't believe i was drawing that bow...

Of course you did... it's like not voting is a vote for national.

[Voltaire]

I like to start the morning on a bright note, winding up the tossers amuses my perverted sense of humour.

6:30 You'd be sliding into those slippers & lighting the first pipe for the day .:motu:

Totally, then after the Herald do a bit of compliance, read some emails then look at Rant and Rave to see what the 1ZB listeners have to wank on about today...fills in the day.:bleh:

[Akzle]

Totally, then after the Herald do a bit of compliance, read some emails then look at Rant and Rave to see what the 1ZB listeners have to wank on about today...fills in the day.:bleh:

1ZB? have some class man.

radio live all the way. jon tamahere's my homeboy.

[mashman]

Watchdog outraged by new MP's salary (https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/25114691/watchdog-outraged-by-new-mps-salary/). Should keep ya happy MisterD... hang on, MisterDavid Seymour? Maybe MisterDunne?

[trustme]

I don't know how you manage to fit trademe & ebay into that busy schedule, work phfft totally overrated.

I have an excuse. I'm sick , been to the doc & am at home slurking in my own time. [ Slothful Lurking ]

[mstriumph]

Likewise, I see some who appear to be holding the world to ransom and I ask why and can this be true? ... Don't see much difference really! :no:

I didn't vote for John Key and his team either but I don't dislike him (I don't know him) and I am happy with the result of the election!

Because I simply wonder where his loyalties really lie, your inference appears to suggest that that makes me a bigot!

too much to cover in a short post
on like-ability ........you imply you have to know someone to dislike them - what are your feelings on Robert Mugabe? Kim Jong-un? ... not implying that ANY member of NZ parliament approaches that level of disregard for those they are meant to be looking out for, but it's just a matter of degree, surely?:confused:

happy with the outcome of the election ... based on his track record to date against my (reasonable) expectation that our leaders should govern with sole regard to the governed, I view his re-election with trepidation. Only time will tell whether your optimism or my pessimism was justified? :wait:

on being a bigot - what inferences you draw are your concern. from your posts I infer that you are a tad one-eyed about Israel; hence my sending you up. that sort of tunnel vision CAN imply bigotry - suggest if the cap fits ........... :shifty:

either way, no need to get bent out of shape?

[oldrider]

too much to cover in a short post
on like-ability ........you imply you have to know someone to dislike them - what are your feelings on Robert Mugabe? Kim Jong-un? ... not implying that ANY member of NZ parliament approaches that level of disregard for those they are meant to be looking out for, but it's just a matter of degree, surely?:confused:

happy with the outcome of the election ... based on his track record to date against my (reasonable) expectation that our leaders should govern with sole regard to the governed, I view his re-election with trepidation. Only time will tell whether your optimism or my pessimism was justified? :wait:

on being a bigot - what inferences you draw are your concern. from your posts I infer that you are a tad one-eyed about Israel; hence my sending you up. that sort of tunnel vision CAN imply bigotry - suggest if the cap fits ........... :shifty:

either way, no need to get bent out of shape?

John Key is closer and part of our community, it's not at all unlikely that anyone here should/could know him personally, just saying, I don't!

I am happy with the result of the election because for the first time since MMP there is a clear winner and "their" performance can be "clearly judged"!

All the indicators are that Israel is (and always has been) over represented in negative world activities and anyone who questions that is automatically branded!

"The cap"? I am not wearing it, well my intention is not to wear it but then again only others can make an independent judgement on that!

[swbarnett]

you actually disagree with the figure or just want to argue?
To say I disagree with the figure would imply that I have some firm information to base that assertion on. I don't.

Suffice it to say that I doubt the figure until firm evidence is produced to confirm your assertion. Just call me a born skeptic.

[swbarnett]

48% of the electorate voted for National
Not true - 48% of those that voted, voted for national. That's 48% of ~74% i.e. 36% of the electorate.

[Ocean1]

Not true - 48% of those that voted, voted for national. That's 48% of ~74% i.e. 36% of the electorate.

And the one's that didn't don't count.

Which is entirely as it should be, if they can't be fucked contributing to the system's control function then it's absolutely appropriate that the system shouldn't give a fuck what they want.

They'll still bleat like fuck though, 'cause it's not fair that the majority disagree with them. Or something.

[mstriumph]

And the one's that didn't don't count.

Which is entirely as it should be, if they can't be fucked contributing to the system's control function then it's absolutely appropriate that the system shouldn't give a fuck what they want.

They'll still bleat like fuck though, 'cause it's not fair that the majority disagree with them. Or something.

erm - on the other hand, couldn't NOT voting be an indication of "a curse on all your houses?" ... my problem here with Australian politics is the crying shame of expecting people to choose the less disagreeable alternative :weep:
....only here 'choosing' is compulsory - the electorate doesn't have the choice of meaningful abstention?

Personally, I prefer the NZ system.

I know of several Aus voters who'd welcome the chance to parade outside the polling booth with a placard saying "I'm deliberately not voting because NONE of you bastards deserve my vote" and not risk a huge fine.

[Ocean1]

erm - on the other hand, couldn't NOT voting be an indication of "a curse on all your houses?" ...

Who cares?

If they can't find a flavour they like amongst the existing contenders they have the option of chucking their own hat in the ring so we can all laugh at them for a change.

But given that the vast majority of non-voters simply can't be fucked taking the time to tick a few boxes I don't like your chances of many of them doing anything constructive involving any actual effort.

[Akzle]

Who cares?

If they can't find a flavour they like amongst the existing contenders they have the option of chucking their own hat in the ring so we can all laugh at them for a change.

But given that the vast majority of non-voters simply can't be fucked taking the time to tick a few boxes I don't like your chances of many of them doing anything constructive involving any actual effort.

ive been telling you old white cunts for ages. Vote akzle.

[mstriumph]

Who cares?

If they can't find a flavour they like amongst the existing contenders they have the option of chucking their own hat in the ring so we can all laugh at them for a change.

But given that the vast majority of non-voters simply can't be fucked taking the time to tick a few boxes I don't like your chances of many of them doing anything constructive involving any actual effort. if I were a politician, I'd care ... I'd wonder what I was doing so badly that I wasn't capturing the imagination of the electorate ... I'd wonder what I should do to align myself with their aspirations that would engage with them and bring them along with me

- i mean, i know i'm a sweet old fashioned thing but surely you HAVE to have a a community focus, a dedication to serving the electorate ... and how can you do that if you don't have your finger on the pulse?

[mstriumph]

ive been telling you old white cunts for ages. Vote akzle. some of us are ageless and putty-coloured ............ and what have you got against female genitalia that you use it as a pejorative term? just saying.

[mashman]

some of us are ageless and putty-coloured ............ and what have you got against female genitalia that you use it as a pejorative term? just saying.

WTF.... Mum?

[avgas]

ive been telling you old white cunts for ages. Vote akzle.
for TACO KING!
http://spyrestudios.com/wp-content/uploads/10-taco-king-red-logo-brand.png

[Winston001]

erm - on the other hand, couldn't NOT voting be an indication of "a curse on all your houses?" ... my problem here with Australian politics is the crying shame of expecting people to choose the less disagreeable alternative :weep:
....only here 'choosing' is compulsory - the electorate doesn't have the choice of meaningful abstention?

I know of several Aus voters who'd welcome the chance to parade outside the polling booth with a placard saying "I'm deliberately not voting because NONE of you bastards deserve my vote" and not risk a huge fine.

LOL you are kidding right?

There are 66 different parties in Australia which voters can elect.

Just a few:

Australian Motoring Enthusiasts Party

Australian Democrats

Building Australia Party

Democratic Labour Party

Socialist Alliance Party

Uniting Australia Party

http://www.aec.gov.au/parties_and_representatives/party_registration/Registered_parties/



If Aussie voters can't find something they like in all of those choices, pity help them.

[avgas]

Bwhahahaha good luck NZ
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/pacific-islands/news/article.cfm?l_id=10&objectid=11329007

As someone who lived with Carmel in the past all I can say is "Good Luck".
I had great times with many Islanders - but she is just a slob and a thief.

Geez and I thought the US has it bad.

[Berries]

A Labour MP in Kelston wherever the fuck that is?

I am sure she will have a lot of influence over our lives.

[avgas]

A Labour MP in Kelston wherever the fuck that is?
I am sure she will have a lot of influence over our lives.
0.75%. More if she turns up to work.

[Ocean1]

if I were a politician, I'd care ... I'd wonder what I was doing so badly that I wasn't capturing the imagination of the electorate ... I'd wonder what I should do to align myself with their aspirations that would engage with them and bring them along with me

- i mean, i know i'm a sweet old fashioned thing but surely you HAVE to have a a community focus, a dedication to serving the electorate ... and how can you do that if you don't have your finger on the pulse?

Under MMP the local candidates can do all of that, win their electorate and still lose their constituent's party vote. Labour actually won just 5 electorates by party votes.

Most of the idiots here slinging shit about not voting as a protest agin' "the system" seem to have overlooked that little nugget: you can be as personable, friendly, helpful and competent as a candidate can well be but unless your party's policy represents what the voters want you simply won't get to implement them.

I wonder how many picked that effect could be quite so decisive when they voted for MMP...

[Scuba_Steve]

ive been telling you old white cunts for ages. Vote akzle.

I tried, didn't have the option; best I could find was ice-cream & llamas so I voted for that...

[bluninja]

I tried, didn't have the option; best I could find was ice-cream & llamas so I voted for that...

Are you being satirical? :bleh:

[Scuba_Steve]

Are you being satirical? :bleh:

possibly lyrical, who knows


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8PsmNfS1R8

[Woodman]

That bloke looks like a chick.

[Scuba_Steve]

That bloke looks like a chick.

tis true, but he can lay down some pretty awesome tracks (musical), does everything from deathmetal to dubstep

[swbarnett]

And the one's that didn't don't count.
Oh yes, they do. Some of them anyway.

There are two very valid reasons not to vote - if you genuinely don't care or you have absolutely no confidence in any of the slimy bastards.

For the former I agree with you. They have no opinion either way so they have effectively voted evenly for ALL parties.

However, those that have no confidence in any party have effectively voted for none. If I could've voted no confidence then I would've put tick to paper. As it stands, if I had voted for any party it would've been a lie.

[Akzle]

some of us are ageless and putty-coloured ............ and what have you got against female genitalia that you use it as a pejorative term? just saying.

will need photos...for comparative porpoises,..

[Akzle]

LOL you are kidding right?

There are 66 different parties in Australia which voters can elect.

Just a few:

Australian Motoring Enthusiasts Party

Australian Democrats

Building Australia Party

Democratic Labour Party

Socialist Alliance Party

Uniting Australia Party

http://www.aec.gov.au/parties_and_representatives/party_registration/Registered_parties/



If Aussie voters can't find something they like in all of those choices, pity help them.

wheres the 'send all politicians into the sun' choice?

[Akzle]

I tried, didn't have the option; best I could find was ice-cream & llamas so I voted for that...

im cool with that

[mstriumph]

WTF.... Mum?

what, you thought you were SAFE here?? :killingme

[mstriumph]

LOL you are kidding right?

There are 66 different parties in Australia which voters can elect.

Just a few:

Australian Motoring Enthusiasts Party

Australian Democrats

Building Australia Party

Democratic Labour Party

Socialist Alliance Party

Uniting Australia Party

http://www.aec.gov.au/parties_and_representatives/party_registration/Registered_parties/



If Aussie voters can't find something they like in all of those choices, pity help them.

Try to point our the one guaranteed not to lie, cheat and misappropriate once it's elected (if a large party) or associate/align with those that do (if it's a small party) and you'll see the dilemma thinking, well-intentioned voters are in. "Crisis of confidence" Bro.....:weep:

[mashman]

what, you thought you were SAFE here?? :killingme

Yes, but I forgot about your omnipotence. It won't happen again.

[mstriumph]

Under MMP the local candidates can do all of that, win their electorate and still lose their constituent's party vote. Labour actually won just 5 electorates by party votes.

Most of the idiots here slinging shit about not voting as a protest agin' "the system" seem to have overlooked that little nugget: you can be as personable, friendly, helpful and competent as a candidate can well be but unless your party's policy represents what the voters want you simply won't get to implement them.

I wonder how many picked that effect could be quite so decisive when they voted for MMP...

OK I'm dense ... doesn't that mean that MPs have to be very careful with whom to align themselves? ...and parties (social credit back in 80s) have to be equally careful about ensuring the electorate are fully informed?

the Aus system is similarly stacked against cause and effect clarity ... but, as my Grandfather used to say, "If the vote was actually worth anything, they'd never let you have one"

[mstriumph]

will need photos...for comparative porpoises,..

how come there's always something fishy about your posts? :msn-wink:

[Akzle]

how come there's always something fishy about your posts? :msn-wink:

have a wash ya dirty bitch :bleh:

[SPman]

LOL you are kidding right?

There are 66 different parties in Australia which voters can elect.

Just a few:

Australian Motoring Enthusiasts Party

Australian Democrats

Building Australia Party

Democratic Labour Party

Socialist Alliance Party

Uniting Australia Party

http://www.aec.gov.au/parties_and_representatives/party_registration/Registered_parties/



If Aussie voters can't find something they like in all of those choices, pity help them. Aussie voters can have a voting paper with 66 names on it :crazy:...most NZ voters can't even work out how to vote twice - the electorate vote is a nice simple FPP vote, but the party vote.......seems to throw most of them every election.

[mstriumph]

have a wash ya dirty bitch :bleh:

good grief - i've been misuderstood ...........

[Ocean1]

OK I'm dense ... doesn't that mean that MPs have to be very careful with whom to align themselves? ...and parties (social credit back in 80s) have to be equally careful about ensuring the electorate are fully informed?

the Aus system is similarly stacked against cause and effect clarity ... but, as my Grandfather used to say, "If the vote was actually worth anything, they'd never let you have one"

MPs are aligned to a party well before they ask for your vote.

It seems obvious that labour voters liked their local guy and voted for him as a mark of confidence in him but they resoundingly voted against the Labour Party and its policy.

I can understand that, it reeks of pure Union ideology which most have long since seen as counterproductive and even those few who benefit from it are so well fed as to be indifferent.

[Ocean1]

Aussie voters can have a voting paper with 66 names on it :crazy:...most NZ voters can't even work out how to vote twice - the electorate vote is a nice simple FPP vote, but the party vote.......seems to throw most of them every election.

Either that or they simply don't agree with you.

Hard to call...

[Brian d marge]

be the same as the Scotland vote , the scared , the uniformed , and the old ....voting for the status Quo ....

John Key ...is a self serving Narcissist.... lost in the glory of money ...

He , and the rest of them do NOT have your best interest at heart ....

On record ... they will follow the IMF doctrine , as given to them by the RBNZ ....

it will produce , a society of which 20 % will need help , 70 % will just be one fk up away from poverty ...and a few , as fawned upon by fairfax media will profit

Not a society I want to live in or raise my children in ....

Stephen

Strange , when one starts to think , china or Russia might be a better place ,,,,hahhahahahahaaa turn up for the books ! who would have thunk it ! :facepalm:

[avgas]

wheres the 'send all politicians into the sun' choice?
I'd just be happy with 1 less PAID seat in the house.

It's a bit like filling up the car with gas every day - even though you know there is a hole in the tank.

[avgas]

Strange , when one starts to think , china or Russia might be a better place ,,,,hahhahahahahaaa turn up for the books ! who would have thunk it ! :facepalm:
My team in Crimea are loving the change. They now feel less like slaves.
As for china. Meh - same problems there. Living in Greenwich, CT......you see enough ex-Chinese officials driving Benz's to know something is wrong.

[mashman]

Strange , when one starts to think , china or Russia might be a better place ,,,,hahhahahahahaaa turn up for the books ! who would have thunk it ! :facepalm:

You not fed up with running away from it yet?

[swbarnett]

It seems obvious that labour voters liked their local guy and voted for him as a mark of confidence in him but they resoundingly voted against the Labour Party and its policy.
Now, this is what I have a huge problem with. If you don't like the policies of the party your local candidate stands for then how the hell can you vote for them? On the one hand you're voting for those policies and on the other you're voting against them. Voters just need to make up their minds once and for all and stop being hypocritical.

This is why I'd like to scrap MMP in favour of straight proportional represnetation. Get rid of the electorate vote and just have the party vote.

[Brian d marge]

You not fed up with running away from it yet?


Running away from what..??? I want me TV ......

#notinmyname

[mashman]

Running away from what..??? I want me TV ......

#notinmyname

Why don't you start a sweatshop? You could get 2 TV's.

[Brian d marge]

Why don't you start a sweatshop? You could get 2 TV's.
And waste all these arrows

I wouldnt look as good in a snazzy uniform as i do in cammo

Stephen

[mashman]

And waste all these arrows

I wouldnt look as good in a snazzy uniform as i do in cammo

Stephen

Fair point... arrows were meant to be loosed as missiles were to be fired.

Pics.........

[Brian d marge]

Fair point... arrows were meant to be loosed as missiles were to be fired.

Pics.........
http://www.assiniboinetipis.com/im4/bowman.jpg

I have a classic photo somewhere , rounded up all the weaponry in the house and took a photo ....If I can find it I will post

Stephen

[Katman]

Good result? ... Key Government majority ... no one else to blame ... what you see is what you get ... but is what you get, what you need or want?


Not quite.

http://www.3news.co.nz/nznews/national-down-greens-up-in-final-election-results-2014100414

[oldrider]

Not quite.

http://www.3news.co.nz/nznews/national-down-greens-up-in-final-election-results-2014100414

Just goes to show what a stupid system MMP really is ---- like a (swing) bridge to nowhere! :brick:

Disappointed in Maori sucking back up to Labour instead of running their own boat! (Err - Whaka) Labour has done nothing for Maori ... absolutely nothing! :oi-grr: Ever!

[bogan]

Final tally will change fuckall though, Nats stil have the coalition to form the govt they would have had anyway.


Disappointed in Maori sucking back up to Labour instead of running their own boat! (Err - Whaka) Labour has done nothing for Maori ... absolutely nothing! :oi-grr: Ever!

Radical thought process here, but maybe they are voting as New Zealanders rather than voting by race. To me, that is one of the better outcomes this election.

[oldrider]

Final tally will change fuckall though, Nats stil have the coalition to form the govt they would have had anyway.



Radical thought process here, but maybe they are voting as New Zealanders rather than voting by race. To me, that is one of the better outcomes this election.

True!

Maori have thumbed their nose at the need for the Maori seats but if they had used them more wisely from the start they would be more ready to abolish them now!

Labour sucked them in, promised the world and gave them nothing in return ... kept them close, kept them quiet and kicked their arse! :kick:

[Katman]

Just goes to show what a stupid system MMP really is ---- like a (swing) bridge to nowhere! :brick:


At least Peter Dunne gets another term to sleep through.

I'd hate for him to have to get a real job.

[husaberg]

At least Peter Dunne gets another term to sleep through.

I'd hate for him to have to get a real job.

Sleep through he couldn't even find a decent looker to have an affair with

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wOBNhOdg9Q

[FJRider]

Just goes to show what a stupid system MMP really is ---- like a (swing) bridge to nowhere! :brick:

It was voted in by the General public ... by majority vote.

What the public WANTS ... The Public gets (GOT) ... :killingme


Disappointed in Maori sucking back up to Labour instead of running their own boat! (Err - Whaka) Labour has done nothing for Maori ... absolutely nothing! :oi-grr: Ever!

Why don't they form their OWN political party ... ???

Oh wait ... THEY DID ... <_<

[oldrider]

It was voted in by the General public ... by majority vote.

What the public WANTS ... The Public gets (GOT) ... :killingme



Why don't they form their OWN political party ... ???

Oh wait ... THEY DID ... <_<

As explained to me many years ago: Labour was always struggling to get enough votes and there was always a 10% money reformist group around.

Labour enticed the monetary reformists to join with them and if successful they would implement some of their key policies! (much like MMP today)

Once Labour gained the treasury benches (won the election) they made Michael Joseph Savage (reformer) Prime minister and placed all the others in menial positions or posted them overseas. (out of the way)

John A Lee (Minister of housing? I think.) was not part of the reform group but was a pain in the arse so they (Labour) expelled him!

The first Labour Minister of finance was Walter Nash .. orthodox finance to the hilt ... consequently nothing changed and the debt system remained the same!

Trust Labour? ... Not on your Nelly ... they will shit on their own every time! :bash:

[Brian d marge]

Always wondered

They run focus groups
They know what the voting majority want

Ive always felt the money has been available . . , tendering dont get me started

The average person wants the same things

House they can afford .. quality food on the table at least 3 x a day

Health care when they need it

A education that allows a person to participate in society

So the million dollar question is why cannot one or any of the retards address those problem

When this retard can solve it in half a glass of wine

Stephen

[oldrider]

Always wondered

They run focus groups
They know what the voting majority want

Ive always felt the money has been available . . , tendering dont get me started

The average person wants the same things

House they can afford .. quality food on the table at least 3 x a day

Health care when they need it

A education that allows a person to participate in society

So the million dollar question is why cannot one or any of the retards address those problem

When this retard can solve it in half a glass of wine

Stephen

Everybody has a need to be needed ... whats in it for them once they have solved your problem! :scratch:

[Brian d marge]

Everybody has a need to be needed ... whats in it for them once they have solved your problem! :scratch:
Cash . . . Oodles and oodles of cash

[oldrider]

Cash . . . Oodles and oodles of cash

They get that without having to do anything! .. Maybe thats part of the problem, we should pay them a small retainer with a bonus on completion of the job! :yes:

[mstriumph]

Always wondered

They run focus groups
They know what the voting majority want

Ive always felt the money has been available . . , tendering dont get me started

The average person wants the same things

House they can afford .. quality food on the table at least 3 x a day

Health care when they need it

A education that allows a person to participate in society

So the million dollar question is why cannot one or any of the retards address those problem

When this retard can solve it in half a glass of wine

Stephen

mebbe that's why? obviously alcohol-induced stupor is superior, cogitation-wise, to congenital retardation? :msn-wink:

lots of folk on here i'd vote for - shame none of you buggers will run?

[Brian d marge]

mebbe that's why? obviously alcohol-induced stupor is superior, cogitation-wise, to congenital retardation? :msn-wink:

lots of folk on here i'd vote for - shame none of you buggers will run?


Is there Alcohol involved?

Stephen

[BMWST?]

Likewise, I see some who appear to be holding the world to ransom and I ask why and can this be true? ... Don't see much difference really! :no:

I didn't vote for John Key and his team either but I don't dislike him (I don't know him) and I am happy with the result of the election!

Because I simply wonder where his loyalties really lie, your inference appears to suggest that that makes me a bigot!

If you have these feelings and beleifs i hope you cast your vote in such a manner to not support his and his team into office.If you didnt i think you are a hypocrite

[husaberg]

Is there Alcohol involved?

Stephen

Pretty sure they still get it pretty cheap on site..........
Not sure that other than Winston that many are that freely indulgent like they used to be.............

[oldrider]

If you have these feelings and beleifs i hope you cast your vote in such a manner to not support his and his team into office.If you didnt i think you are a hypocrite

[Quote] I didn't vote for John Key and his team either but I don't dislike him (I don't know him) and I am happy with the result of the election! [Quote]

With respect: You did not read the post properly! :shifty:

[Stylo]

Bow down to David Cunliffe and I sincerely hope he get's the Leadership vote for Labour, he is truly the gift that keeps on giving .

Taking the path of least resistance, he's spent the day talking to the congregations amongst the churches in South Auck ( TV3) who already support him through reasons of naivety and ...... blind loyalty.

That'll work

[Akzle]

lots of folk on here i'd vote for - shame none of you buggers will run?

vote mashman if you want someone to positively alter society for everyone...

Vote ax if you want to see politicians on a rocket to the sun.

[mstriumph]

vote mashman if you want someone to positively alter society for everyone...

Vote ax if you want to see politicians on a rocket to the sun.

erm :confused: is there a way of making them pay for their own rockets?<_< if so, you are on a winner!

[mashman]

vote mashman if you want someone to positively alter society for everyone...

Vote ax if you want to see politicians on a rocket to the sun.

I see no reason why we can't have both... after all we'll still be making rockets.


erm :confused: is there a way of making them pay for their own rockets?<_< if so, you are on a winner!

In the society that Akzle is talking about, there'll be no money, and as mentioned above we'll still be making rockets :wari:

[Katman]

With respect: You did not read the post properly! :shifty:

With respect: Why would that surprise you?

[mstriumph]

I see no reason why we can't have both... after all we'll still be making rockets.



In the society that Akzle is talking about, there'll be no money, and as mentioned above we'll still be making rockets :wari:

can't BELIEVE i'm that naive, but ... :facepalm:

[Banditbandit]

can't BELIEVE i'm that naive, but ... :facepalm:

I can .. you swapped a perfectly good bike for a Triumph !!!!

[mstriumph]

I can .. you swapped a perfectly good bike for a Triumph !!!!

:no: no, actually .... swapped a vintage Triumph for a Yamaha Fazer ..... :confused:

[mashman]

can't BELIEVE i'm that naive, but ... :facepalm:

I know not what you know.

[oldrider]

John Key is a bit too ready to join in (without waiting to be asked?) and send our SAS into Iraq again? ... Why? :confused:

I see he wants to include all parties in on the decision (or not) so that he still gets the brownie points from his masters either way!

Hmmm ... Just who is he trying so hard to please? :shifty:

[oldrider]

Thought I might just Google the question and discovered that others have asked the same ... only to be fobbed off and ignored! (Why?)

Look here for that: http://aotearoaawiderperspective.wordpress.com/2014/10/16/is-john-key-an-american-will-you-help-us-find-out/

I do not think the question inappropriate or private! ... John Key is Prime Minister of NZ and can not serve two masters he should simply answer the question!

Another headline that suggests divided loyalty of John Key: http://www.timesofisrael.com/new-zealand-jewish-pm-wins-third-term/

From his successful background in Zionist banking he must surely be able to place his loyalty to whichever party he thinks will benefit himself most!

While currently giving him the benefit of the doubt I do think he needs to be watched very very closely as to who benefits the most from his political decision making!

Best to just keep quietly watching "our" leader in action! :shifty:

[Akzle]

Best to just keep quietly watching "our" leader in action! :shifty:

thats up for debate.
Do you have a moment to discuss solid fuel rocketry?

[puddytat]

Its 'cause when those racist arseholes that rule the Holy land get kicked the fuck out & the rich & powerful of the U.S are unable to keep the Zombies from the gates any longer they'll need somewhere safe to go to & which is quite easy to defend.....

Where else is there to go? Iceland?


Solid fuel rocketry or bullet trajectory?

[Brian d marge]

Thought I might just Google the question and discovered that others have asked the same ... only to be fobbed off and ignored! (Why?)

Look here for that: http://aotearoaawiderperspective.wordpress.com/2014/10/16/is-john-key-an-american-will-you-help-us-find-out/

I do not think the question inappropriate or private! ... John Key is Prime Minister of NZ and can not serve two masters he should simply answer the question!

Another headline that suggests divided loyalty of John Key: http://www.timesofisrael.com/new-zealand-jewish-pm-wins-third-term/

From his successful background in Zionist banking he must surely be able to place his loyalty to whichever party he thinks will benefit himself most!

While currently giving him the benefit of the doubt I do think he needs to be watched very very closely as to who benefits the most from his political decision making!

Best to just keep quietly watching "our" leader in action! :shifty:
So he jewish . . Does add fuel to the fire
I mean i dont care either way but there does seem a lot of smoke about
To much maybe for just coincidence

[Akzle]

Solid fuel rocketry or bullet trajectory?
to the sun! the sun!

So he jewish . .

not only is Jewish, but he's a sneaky fucking jew, too...

[avgas]

So he jewish . . Does add fuel to the fire
I mean i dont care either way but there does seem a lot of smoke about
To much maybe for just coincidence
Not only that - but he almost wasn't born a kiwi.
One of his sisters was born a pom.....
http://media.nzherald.co.nz/webcontent/document/pdf/19KEYTREE1.pdf

His family hasn't even been in NZ for a century yet.....and yet he is Prime Minister of the place.

Goes to show - entry requirements are pretty low. I think I will have a crack at it when I get back. Me family moved there in 1890's.
I am sure I can win whats left of the vote - provided I don't call the common folk scum or something silly like that.

[avgas]

thats up for debate.
Do you have a moment to discuss solid fuel rocketry?
How is that little kiwi carbon rocket doing - bloody cool stuff that.

[Swoop]

Seriously?
NZ on the un-fuckwit council?

What an absolute load of cobblers that the taxpayer should be up in arms about. Three years of bullshit electioneering that lead up to this, and now ...?

[bluninja]

Seriously?
NZ on the un-fuckwit council?

What an absolute load of cobblers that the taxpayer should be up in arms about. Three years of bullshit electioneering that lead up to this, and now ...?

10 years...started in 2004. Remember Aunty Helen is number 3 at the UN, and I think her government started this process.

[mashman]

Seriously?
NZ on the un-fuckwit council?

What an absolute load of cobblers that the taxpayer should be up in arms about. Three years of bullshit electioneering that lead up to this, and now ...?

Coz Kiwi's are smart.

[Swoop]

Remember Aunty Helen is number 3 at the UN
:crazy:

Coz Kiwi's are smart.
"I don't think so Tim".
How much is NZ earning from this Vs how much is this costing the NZ taxpayer?

[pete376403]

Not only that - but he almost wasn't born a kiwi.
One of his sisters was born a pom.....
http://media.nzherald.co.nz/webcontent/document/pdf/19KEYTREE1.pdf

His family hasn't even been in NZ for a century yet.....and yet he is Prime Minister of the place.

Goes to show - entry requirements are pretty low. I think I will have a crack at it when I get back. Me family moved there in 1890's.
I am sure I can win whats left of the vote - provided I don't call the common folk scum or something silly like that.

$50 mill will buy most things in the national party

[awa355]

The big five will tell NZ how to vote. As far as rubber stamps goes, it looks impressive but that is all the security council is. Who can name the other elected sitting members (without going looking for the names)?

[Brian d marge]

The big five will tell NZ how to vote. As far as rubber stamps goes, it looks impressive but that is all the security council is. Who can name the other elected sitting members (without going looking for the names)?
off top of head I remember , jim bolger Helen clark .....and that all if its right in the first place ....

they must be important though , the dinners cost a packet

Stephen

[mashman]

"I don't think so Tim".
How much is NZ earning from this Vs how much is this costing the NZ taxpayer?

Surely there would have been a referendum if it were that important. No, let the politicians decide what NZ needs as a country, coz they're smart Kiwi's.

[Akzle]

coz they're smart Kiwi's.

ahh. L' ironing de 'postrophé.

[oldrider]

Could John Key have been sent back here to make sure little NZ doesn't stray toward the BRICS world bank?

BRICS: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/americas/2014/07/brics-launch-world-bank-imf-rivals-20147155273955388.html

For a self made man who has everything ... why would he come back here to be "Prime Minister"? ... What's really in it for him? ... Where do his loyalties really lie? :confused:

[Brian d marge]

He did sort of come out of no where

[oldrider]

He did sort of come out of no where

What is his most significant contribution since taking office? ... significantly raising national debt! ... To whom are we (NZ) in debt? ... and Why?

Could we sell that debt to BRICS and get a better deal?

Realigning ourselves to America come what may ... anti ISIS ... anti Russia ... where America goes, we go! (Like we used to be blindly with Britain)

AIPAC? ... How does that affect NZ? ... Israel says jump ... USA says how high? :http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stephen-m-walt/aipac-americas-israel-policy_b_5607883.html

Reintroducing Honours system ... Arise Sir John ... sounds choice for a man who has everything else!

Changing the flag ... why? ... just a distraction from real issues, a circus no less!

Yes ... John is our leader ... which way will he lead us? ..... and do we really want to go there? :scratch: ..... seriously needs thinking about IMHO! :yes:

[pete376403]

If Key was put in place to do anything, it would be to get NZ to sign up to the TPPA. A bit "Manchurian Candidate-ish" as conspiracies go.

[husaberg]

Seen this before a new twist on an old theme.
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[MisterD]

Reintroducing Honours system ... Arise Sir John ... sounds choice for a man who has everything else!

Changing the flag ... why? ... just a distraction from real issues, a circus no less!

See you go round and round with all the conspiracy nonsense about jews and whatnot, and overlook the blindingly, occam's razor-approved, obvious.

John Key is just collecting stuff to put on the wall of his pool room.

[swbarnett]

Changing the flag ... why?
Only one reason in my book. It's just too damn close to the Aussie flag.

[avgas]

$50 mill will buy most things in the national party
Except all the missing pieces to the wizard of oz story......:devil2:

[avgas]

Surely there would have been a referendum if it were that important. No, let the politicians decide what NZ needs as a country, coz they're smart Kiwi's.
There probably was one. The key thing (pun intended) was it was never going to be read or followed anyway.

[mashman]

There probably was one. The key thing (pun intended) was it was never going to be read or followed anyway.

lol, likely much closer to the truth.

[oldrider]

See you go round and round with all the conspiracy nonsense about jews and whatnot, and overlook the blindingly, occam's razor-approved, obvious.

John Key is just collecting stuff to put on the wall of his pool room.

Fair comment but the conspiracy thing as you call it is not about Jews (thats a deliberate distraction) it is about Zionism and divided loyalty!

A man with everything (including dual citizenship?) who seeks trophies for his pool-room wall is bound to have loyalties beyond New Zealand!

NZ was/is part of the British Empire as is our flag bearing the Union Jack ... Zionism has publicly declared that it intends to smash all remnants of the Empire!

The demise of the British Empire was part of the conditions that America came into WW2 and part of Britain's war debt to America and Zionist banks!

Where did John Key come from to take up his roll in NZ politics? ... He was a very successful employee of the American Zionist banking institution!

There are many very good reasons why such a man of dual citizenship and international banking expertise should become Prime minister of New Zealand!

Not to mention the fading British Honours listing that was the first significant action that John Key made upon taking office as Prime Minister!

Titles like "Sir John and Lady Key" would see them out to the end of their time rather nicely and he will no doubt have earned it by then too!

Just wondering out loud ... what's in it for John Key and where do his true loyalties lie? ... Flag? ... TPPA? ... ISIS? ... Gaza? ... etc etc?

I know where my loyalties lie ... (just wondering about him?) ... Seems a reasonable stance for a NZ citizen to take IMHO. ... How about you? :shifty:

[Stylo]

Oldrider, put the kettle on, take a deep breath, make yourself a cup of tea and have a wee lie down aye ?

I lost count of the number of exclamation marks you've used , and the baseless allegations regarding Key and Zionism made me laugh too.


Pull your head in, where do your loyalties lie ?

[oldrider]

Oldrider, put the kettle on, take a deep breath, make yourself a cup of tea and have a wee lie down aye ?

I lost count of the number of exclamation marks you've used , and the baseless allegations regarding Key and Zionism made me laugh too.


Pull your head in, where do your loyalties lie ?

It's still within KB rules to pose questions and I didn't see any notification that you had been appointed sensor, if you don't like it simply ignore it!

If that's the best advice you can come up with I will consider it appropriately. :nya:

Meanwhile this thread is about John Key and his performance over the next three years! ... My loyalties are with New Zealand .. all the way! :niceone:

For those doubters of Zionist influence in world governments: http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v06/v06p389_John.html

[blue rider]

So the Government of Dear Leader commisions a report on Fraud.......bludgers abusing the governmental largess and the likes.


Economic crime is costing New Zealand up to $9.4 billion a year according to a draft Serious Fraud Office (SFO) report obtained by Radio New Zealand.


At the beginning of last year the then Minister for the SFO, Anne Tolley, was reported as saying that a number of Government ministries had been working for two years on a report quantifying the cost of economic crime and it would be presented to Cabinet in the near future.
But the report did not make it to Cabinet and was not released


Radio New Zealand obtained a draft copy of the SFO's report under the Official Information Act. The methodologies that would have made it possible to calculate the total costs were redacted.
However, Radio New Zealand has also obtained a copy of the report with the estimated costs of the various types of economic crime included - which put the total cost of economic crime at between $6.1 and $9.4 billion.
The report noted that was more than twice the combined annual budgets of police, the Department of Corrections, and the courts; more than the total net profit of New Zealand's top 200 companies and top 30 financial institutions; or the equivalent of $2000 for every adult living in New Zealand.
By far the biggest component of that $6.1 to $9.4 billion was an estimated $2 billion a year in tax fraud - benefit fraud by comparison was thought to be about $80 million.
The report estimated that just over $100 million or 5 percent of that $2 billion a year in tax fraud was being detected. The figure was close to 30 percent for benefit fraud.
The $2 billion figure could be on the light side. The Tax Justice Network, an international NGO, has estimated New Zealand tax evasion at $7 billion a year and the IRD itself claimed in its 2011/12 annual report that it had detected $1.2 billion in evasion.


Why was the NZ report not completed?
So, why was the New Zealand report not completed? The minister responsible for the SFO, Michael Woodhouse, responded in a statement that he was advised that "the SFO had concerns around the methodology used in gathering the figures, particularly with respect to the calculations being based on measurements from another market".
In a statement to Radio New Zealand, the SFO said:
"The decision not to complete the work was a decision made by the SFO in consultation with other interested Government departments, such as the Ministry of Justice.


"The work previously done to quantify the cost of economic crime in New Zealand was based on a methodology developed overseas. In the course of the work, it became clear that the methodology was not directly applicable to the New Zealand context.
"As a result, the report was not finalised, and there are no plans to continue the work at this time."

read the whole thing here...source Radio NZ

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/257185/economic-crime-costs-up-to-$9-point-4bn

i especially like the comment that the methodology was developped overseas aka the UK and becasue of that overseas UK stench can not be used to monitor Fraud in NZ.
Head of the Ministry of Justice in 2012 would be Dear Judith Collins, the most honorable of them all.
the unreliable overseas methodology used was developped by whom you might ask?


This year, in collaboration with the UK National Fraud Authority, the SFO will complete the first-ever the 'Cost of Economic Crime' report. It will be modelled on the UK equivalent, which has become a core source of information for the UK's financial crime strategies in recent years. This report will be linked to a comprehensive analysis of existing resources, agencies, powers and funding currently devoted to economic and financial crime, and the results being achieved. Together they will provide a map of the current fraud landscape and the basis on which government agencies can report back to the Government on future legislative and operational options for fighting economic and financial crime."

Priorities....our government has them. :sunny:

If anyone is intersted as to the overseas UK.Govt methodology that is so unsuitable for our own homegrown financial fraud. Looky here it is all detailed. https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/national-fraud-authority/about#corporate-info

[SPman]

:corn:

Nothing will happen - it'll all get buried...or rubbished.......now we know why "the Dirty Tricks team" were after the head of the SFO.......


Yes ... John is our leader ... which way will he lead us? ..... and do we really want to go there? :scratch: ..... seriously needs thinking about IMHO! :yes: He'll do what he's told, sign up to the TPPA, sell off anything left worth selling, set up an untouchable security state, and sell the people of NZ to the highest bidder - then retire in 2 yrs time to Hawaii, with a nice deposit in his bank account. And the people will love him for it! :lol:
It's no coincidence Tony Blair suddenly became about $40mil richer in the year after he left office - job done and paid for - the US looks after it's own!

[Brian d marge]

:corn:

Nothing will happen - it'll all get buried...or rubbished.......now we know why "the Dirty Tricks team" were after the head of the SFO.......

He'll do what he's told, sign up to the TPPA, sell off anything left worth selling, set up an untouchable security state, and sell the people of NZ to the highest bidder - then retire in 2 yrs time to Hawaii, with a nice deposit in his bank account. And the people will love him for it! :lol:
It's no coincidence Tony Blair suddenly became about $40mil richer in the year after he left office - job done and paid for - the US looks after it's own!
Gizza job mister i can do than

Ive even got a modified willie

[SPman]

Fuck off Yozza! We've seen your wall building skills!
.........mind you, on second thoughts.....maybe..............

[avgas]

He'll do what he's told, sign up to the TPPA, sell off anything left worth selling, set up an untouchable security state, and sell the people of NZ to the highest bidder - then retire in 2 yrs time to Hawaii, with a nice deposit in his bank account. And the people will love him for it! :lol:
It's no coincidence Tony Blair suddenly became about $40mil richer in the year after he left office - job done and paid for - the US looks after it's own!
To be honest, it is a better plan then running of the the non-sunny US states to be in charge of the UN. So while I hate Mr Key - he does seem a bit brighter than that silly bint.

[oldrider]

To be honest, it is a better plan then running of the the non-sunny US states to be in charge of the UN. So while I hate Mr Key - he does seem a bit brighter than that silly bint.

John Key and that silly bint are buddies ... the only thing that he has done in contradiction to her is to bring back the honours system! ... Why? :whistle:

[Brian d marge]

Which silly bint are we talking about

[oldrider]

Which silly bint are we talking about

I presumed it to be Helen Clark! :confused:

[Brian d marge]

So many of them i was confused

[awa355]

Key; ""I wear a number of hats obviously, one as the leader of the National Party, one as Prime Minister of New Zealand and one as a citizen."


On that basis Mr Key was "quite comfortable that in the correspondence and discussions I've had with Cameron Slater, which are not that great in number, are done so not in my capacity as Prime Minister".

Mr Key denied that stance was deceptive.


What a side stepping slimeball. :tugger:

[R650R]

So desperate to hype the non existant terror threat to NZ and justify sending our SAS off to die needlessly that they are resorting to "Accidently" mailing the pms notes to .newstalkzb to get news coverage.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11347165

[swbarnett]

... non existant terror threat to NZ and justify sending our SAS off to die needlessly ...
I.S. has publicly stated that they will not rest until their flag flies over Buckingham palace, the White house .... No, NZ was not mentioned. But where do you think they'll turn their focus once the rest of the world is under their control? We need to do whatever we can to stop these bastards BEFORE we become a primary target.


First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

[Brian d marge]

I.S. has publicly stated that they will not rest until their flag flies over Buckingham palace, the White house .... No, NZ was not mentioned. But where do you think they'll turn their focus once the rest of the world is under their control? We need to do whatever we can to stop these bastards BEFORE we become a primary target.

Suggest u spend some time looking at what is going on in middle east ..

The biggest threat to NZ is some , wannabe , newconverted nut job .....who has probably only seen sand on a beach


OR by the slow erosion of your freedoms under the guise of terrorism, so that a small percentage can sleep at night ....

Stephen

[Scuba_Steve]

I.S. has publicly stated that they will not rest until their flag flies over Buckingham palace, the White house .... No, NZ was not mentioned. But where do you think they'll turn their focus once the rest of the world is under their control? We need to do whatever we can to stop these bastards BEFORE we become a primary target.

It's no real difference to what America's doing only they're not doing it blatantly in-front of you face like I.S.

[swbarnett]

The biggest threat to NZ is some , wannabe , newconverted nut job .....who has probably only seen sand on a beach
I have no boubt that you're correct in this in the short term. In the long term, however, I.S will pose a far greater threat if allowed to grow uncontrolled.


OR by the slow erosion of your freedoms under the guise of terrorism, so that a small percentage can sleep at night ....
Definitately agree with you here. All the more reason to squash groups like I.S. before the zealots can use them as an excuse. I'd rather have a gun to my head now than be napalmed later.

This is, of course, assuming everything I've seen in the media isn't just the zealots scare mongering. A very real possibility given the sensationalism of the modern media.

[swbarnett]

It's no real difference to what America's doing only they're not doing it blatantly in-front of you face like I.S.
Does the US want to kill and rape anyone that doesn't believe as they do?

[James Deuce]

Does the US want to kill and rape anyone that doesn't believe as they do?

Yes. And have spent 150 years doing it, but running a rather successful PR campaign in tandem to make it seem like the right thing to do due to the ideological framework and how that coincides with the belief systems of most "democratic" capitalist states.

[oneofsix]

Does the US want to kill and rape anyone that doesn't believe as they do?

It is basically what they have been doing for years. They used WWII to rape the British Empire, effectively killing it. Then there was McCathyism. They didn't give a shit about copy write when building the media empire, would ri[p off anyone and everyone, but now it is a big sin. Which brings us to TPPA.
So IS is aggressive and USA is passive aggressive, either way you are raped and killed, just one is upfront and in your face whilst the other :buggerd:

[R650R]

I have no boubt that you're correct in this in the short term. In the long term, however, I.S will pose a far greater threat if allowed to grow uncontrolled.


ISIS is no threat to NZ. Its very clear to anyone with a brain this is a rerun of the CIA backed Muhijadeen rebels in Afganistan who later became Al-CIADA.
These fools are nothing without money and weapons and on this scale can only come from the deep pockets of a Western intelligence agency seeking to topple nations they want to take over.
They are a large force travelling across open ground without any stealth technology or camouflage. If they wanted to the USAF could COMPLETELY obliterate them in under 24hrs with airstrikes alone, this is not Vietnam where they are hiding in the freaking jungle and caves. ISIS will be allowed to collapse Iraq, Syria, maybe Jordan and then left to wreak havoc upon Saudia Arabia and Iran before they cut off Uncle Sams credit card funding this party for their illegitimate love child group of bandits.

Its Ironic that parliamanet wants to lock its doors and have armed guards but who in NZ really gets shot/invaded/beaten up in home or workplace??? ordinary citizens live in fear every day of gangs and burglars.
If anyone should be getting armed up it should be joe public to protest their own homes and safety.

[Brian d marge]

America has been nice to iran
Thats pissed the saudis off who then dropped the oil price to 80 a barrel or something close to which undercuts the fracking and shale oil concerns as puts pressure on putin

Yeehaaaaa

Stephen

[oneofsix]

ISIS is no threat to NZ. Its very clear to anyone with a brain this is a rerun of the CIA backed Muhijadeen rebels in Afganistan who later became Al-CIADA.
These fools are nothing without money and weapons and on this scale can only come from the deep pockets of a Western intelligence agency seeking to topple nations they want to take over.
They are a large force travelling across open ground without any stealth technology or camouflage. If they wanted to the USAF could COMPLETELY obliterate them in under 24hrs with airstrikes alone, this is not Vietnam where they are hiding in the freaking jungle and caves. ISIS will be allowed to collapse Iraq, Syria, maybe Jordan and then left to wreak havoc upon Saudia Arabia and Iran before they cut off Uncle Sams credit card funding this party for their illegitimate love child group of bandits.

Its Ironic that parliamanet wants to lock its doors and have armed guards but who in NZ really gets shot/invaded/beaten up in home or workplace??? ordinary citizens live in fear every day of gangs and burglars.
If anyone should be getting armed up it should be joe public to protest their own homes and safety.

you missed the point of the locked doors at Parliament, nothing to do with safety. The point was to drive a heightened level of panic in the sheeple to make the "anti-terror" (spying on your people) more palatable, jsut watch the sheeple argue in favour of them on here. :clap:

[oldrider]

you missed the point of the locked doors at Parliament, nothing to do with safety. The point was to drive a heightened level of panic in the sheeple to make the "anti-terror" (spying on your people) more palatable, jsut watch the sheeple argue in favour of them on here. :clap:

True!

"The art of diplomacy is to tell someone where to go and have them looking forward to the trip!" .... John Key is truly diplomatic! :yes:

[MSTRS]

Suggest u spend some time looking at what is going on in middle east ..

The biggest threat to NZ is some , wannabe , newconverted nut job .....who has probably only seen sand on a beach


OR by the slow erosion of your freedoms under the guise of terrorism, so that a small percentage can sleep at night ....

Stephen

Pay attention, class. This is exactly what is happening in Oz.

[Brian d marge]

Pay attention, class. This is exactly what is happening in Oz.
\
ahh the disenfranchisement of the great unwashed .....

Stephen

[oldrider]

Don't take your eye off JK for a moment ... rust never sleeps and neither does he! :shifty:

[awa355]

Back to govt, business as usual.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10665212/Government-sends-signal-with-new-bill

[avgas]

America has been nice to iran
Thats pissed the saudis off who then dropped the oil price to 80 a barrel or something close to which undercuts the fracking and shale oil concerns as puts pressure on putin

Yeehaaaaa

Stephen
Exactly. I'm picking up my 3.7 V6 tomorrow. Loving the low gas prices here. Wife's Impreza runs on hopes and dreams.

Thank you ISIS for your cheap gas.

[Brian d marge]

Back to govt, business as usual.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10665212/Government-sends-signal-with-new-bill

Well the sheepie got what the sheepie ordered

Serves them right .....

wonder when the pension will come into the firing line !.....

Stephen

baaahahahahahahaahaa

Allowing employers to dock the pay, at a default rate of 10 per cent, of any worker undertaking a "partial strike". These could include refusing or failing to accept normal tasks, reducing performance ("working to rule"), reducing output or work rate ("a go slow") or breaking some aspect of the employment agreement.

[Brian d marge]

France show us the way

Now , Im not suggesting this should happen in NZ , due to the size difference

But , effective protest does work

Ive watched this video many times now .........

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/maP0CAhL_3k" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Stefan

[mashman]

France show us the way

Now , Im not suggesting this should happen in NZ , due to the size difference

But , effective protest does work

Ive watched this video many times now .........

Stefan

Me too, but I only get to 8 seconds... oooo la laaaa.

[willytheekid]

....If anyone should be getting armed up it should be joe public to protest their own homes and safety.

WAAAAAAY ahead of ya there :shifty:

...I simply don't trust the courts in NZ to hand out a fitting punishment...but the hospitals I can! :laugh:

[pete376403]

Of all the things that $26mill could be spent on - designs for a new flag, FFS!

[husaberg]

Just took part in a poll (that was obviously on behalf of the labour party)
can you believe they asked one of the questions which party has the most strong leadership .........................:rolleyes:

[mashman]

Just took part in a poll (that was obviously on behalf of the labour party)
can you believe they asked one of the questions which party has the most strong leadership .........................:rolleyes:

Was it a flag poll?

[husaberg]

Was it a flag poll?
no but it was hailing at the time..........
I couldn't stop giggling and I vote labour..........

[mashman]

no but it was hailing at the time..........
I couldn't stop giggling and I vote labour..........

heh... stop voting entirely and you get to upgrade that giggle to side splitting laughter.

[husaberg]

heh... stop voting entirely and you get to upgrade that giggle to side splitting laughter.

I feart If I stopped voting there might not be a labour party.........

[mashman]

I feart If I stopped voting there might not be a labour party.........

lol... you'll never know if you don't try.

[husaberg]

lol... you'll never know if you don't try.

They try hard enough as it is to lose elections without my help.......

[mashman]

They try hard enough as it is to lose elections without my help.......

cannot spread again... :clap:

[oldrider]

I feart If I stopped voting there might not be a labour party.........

Without the Labour party the world would be a brighter place! :sunny:

[Banditbandit]

Just took part in a poll (that was obviously on behalf of the labour party)
can you believe they asked one of the questions which party has the most strong leadership .........................:rolleyes:

I hope you said the National Front ...

[Scuba_Steve]

Without any party the world would be a brighter place! :sunny:

^ fixed that for you

[mashman]

^ fixed that for you

Just for clarity would you change that "any party" to "any political party... coz I'm quite partial to the odd party.

[oldrider]

^ fixed that for you

OK I'll buy that if you accept Mashies suggestion too. :lol:

[Scuba_Steve]

OK I'll buy that if you accept Mashies suggestion too. :lol:

Mashies improvement has been 2nd, motion passed! so it stands
'Without any political party the world would be a brighter place! :sunny:'

[oldrider]

Mashies improvement has been 2nd, motion passed! so it stands
'Without any political party the world would be a brighter place! :sunny:'

Nice ... MMP should be much more tolerable from now on. :niceone:

[husaberg]

Nice ... MMP should be much more tolerable from now on. :niceone:

I think North Korea has a one party policy.....
I think they all seem pretty happy with it never hear them complaining do you lol

[oldrider]

I think North Korea has a one party policy.....
I think they all seem pretty happy with it never hear them complaining do you lol

They have a very well accepted compliance incentive scheme ... so I believe! :ar15:

But we were promoting a "no" party scheme!

[husaberg]

They have a very well accepted compliance incentive scheme ... so I believe! :ar15:

But we were promoting a "no" party scheme!

But I like to party:woohoo:

[Brian d marge]

Dear Mr shonkey donkey

a friend gave me some advice .... I thought of you


Rule 1 (http://www.bodymindsoulspirit.com/45-uses-for-lemons-that-will-blow-your-socks-off-bodymindsoulspirit-com/). Take into account that great love (http://www.bodymindsoulspirit.com/despite-the-turmoil-are-you-feeling-the-love/) and great achievements involve great risk.

Rule 2. When you lose, don’t lose the lesson

Rule 3. Follow the three Rs: 1. Respect for self 2. Respect for others 3. Responsibility for all your actions.

Rule 4. Remember that not getting what you want is sometimes a wonderful stroke of luck.

Rule 5. Learn the rules so you know how to (http://www.bodymindsoulspirit.com/2-simple-easy-holistic-and-inexpensive-ways-to-whiten-your-teeth/) break them properly.

Rule 6. Don’t let a little dispute injure a great friendship.

Rule 7. When you realize you’ve made a mistake, take immediate steps to correct it.

Rule 8. Spend some time alone every day (http://www.bodymindsoulspirit.com/catching-up-on-sleep-myth-or-reality/).

Rule 9. Open your arms to change, but don’t let go of your values.Rule 10. Remember that silence is sometimes the best answer.


Rule 11. Live a good, honorable life. Then when you get older and think back (http://www.bodymindsoulspirit.com/8-sleeping-positions-their-effects-on-health/), you’ll be able to enjoy it a second time.

Rule 12. A loving atmosphere in your home (http://www.bodymindsoulspirit.com/11-ways-to-detox-your-home/) is the foundation for your life.


Rule 13. In disagreements with loved ones, deal only with the current situation. Don’t bring up the past.

Rule 14. Share your knowledge. It’s a way to achieve immortality.

Rule 15. Be gentle with the earth (http://www.bodymindsoulspirit.com/schumann-resonance-earths-frequency-increasing-body-mind-soul-and-spirit/).

Rule 16. Once a year, go someplace you’ve never been before.

Rule 17. Remember that the best relationship (http://www.bodymindsoulspirit.com/how-to-get-past-a-devastating-breakup/) is one in which your love for each other exceeds your need for each other.

Rule 18. Judge your success by what you had to give up in order to get it.

[Scuba_Steve]

But I like to party:woohoo:

Which is why it was amended to a "no political party" scheme; fun parties will still be allowed, but only if there's vodka ;)

[MisterD]

fun parties will still be allowed, but only if there's vodka ;)

I think we should definitely allow Scuba's fun parties, Mashie's odd parties on the the other hand...

[Banditbandit]

They have a very well accepted compliance incentive scheme ... so I believe! :ar15:

But we were promoting a "no" party scheme!

You bunch of bloody anarchists !!!!

[oldrider]

You bunch of bloody anarchists !!!!

So perceptive .... we have been exposed! :laugh:

[mashman]

I think we should definitely allow Scuba's fun parties, Mashie's odd parties on the the other hand...

I'd heard that they party differently at the other end of the M53.

[Banditbandit]

I'd heard that they party differently at the other end of the M53.

Yeah - that rock on the other side of the world does things very differently ..

[mashman]

Yeah - that rock on the other side of the world does things very differently ..

True. Tis too easy to get caught with the sheep between yer legs as there's too many people around... allegedly.

[oldrider]

Legitimate question ... or not?

1) Does John Key hold dual citizenship ... USA / New Zealand?

2) If so, is that actually allowed under NZ law considering his position?

Reason for asking, he spent a long time working / living in America and he owns property there ... supposedly not so easy to do without citizenship!

Link: https://aotearoaawiderperspective.wordpress.com/2014/10/16/is-john-key-an-american-will-you-help-us-find-out/

John Key's impressive resume: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Key

[blue rider]

new powers to the surveillance state that is NZ....the land of the not so free. But never fear...if you are a law abiding citizens nothing will happen to you.



http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/258672/minister-dismisses-fears-over-is-law-changes

http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/20156155/defence-minister-responds-to-fears-about-is-surveillance


The Government plans to change the law to allow the Minister of Internal Affairs to cancel passports for between one and three years and temporarily suspend them for 10 days in urgent cases.
It will also allow the Security Intelligence Service (SIS) to carry out video surveillance on private properties in cases of security concern.
In emergencies they will be allowed to begin surveillance up to 48 hours before the issue of a warrant, with the approval of its director.


are the National supporters so afraid that they will give their government power to conduct surveillance without a warrant and let someones passport be suspended?

are the National supporters so worried that some fuckwit form bumfuckistan goes to war and get themselves killed that they need to wholesale introduce a totalitarian suvereillance state?

is this really what people have voted for, or are we slowly but surely being turned into a corporate state? T'would be nice if a national supporter and voter could answer this question for me...because I don't get it. If any of the other Parties were to do what John Key and his band of merry mates are about to implement all hell would break loose.

[oldrider]

new powers to the surveillance state that is NZ....the land of the not so free. But never fear...if you are a law abiding citizens nothing will happen to you.



http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/258672/minister-dismisses-fears-over-is-law-changes

http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/20156155/defence-minister-responds-to-fears-about-is-surveillance




are the National supporters so afraid that they will give their government power to conduct surveillance without a warrant and let someones passport be suspended?

are the National supporters so worried that some fuckwit form bumfuckistan goes to war and get themselves killed that they need to wholesale introduce a totalitarian suvereillance state?

is this really what people have voted for, or are we slowly but surely being turned into a corporate state? T'would be nice if a national supporter and voter could answer this question for me...because I don't get it. If any of the other Parties were to do what John Key and his band of merry mates are about to implement all hell would break loose.

Good question that but "what other parties are there"? ... War is absolutely stupid! ... why do we need that?... Haven't we learned anything? :oi-grr:

[James Deuce]

Who cares. This is NZ where you don't bother recovering bodies if there's no economic benefit.

[mashman]

Who cares. This is NZ where you don't bother recovering bodies if there's no economic benefit.

I do. NZ is no different to any other country.

[James Deuce]

I do. NZ is no different to any other country.

Name that logical fallacy.

[mashman]

Name that logical fallacy.

uk, us, france, germany, arabia, iran, china, ifrica... they'll all leave bodies buried if they can't afford to remove them.

[James Deuce]

That's not a logical fallacy. They have specific names. I was talking about your argument.

There are several reports that state that there is nominal risk in reopening the mine to recover bodies from the most likely locations. The overall cost to do so is insignificant.

Read the Q&A on Stuff about the decision not to recover them and it is entirely about the coal permit not being renewed for Pike River.

In regard to your original argument, there is no point caring, we are all of us utterly incapable of exerting any kind of influence to change any of the things you rant about. The inertia behind our current system of Government and the International artifices that enable currency and physical trade enable a moribund and corrupt "system" to maintain its own velocity. There will never be social equity. There will never be justice, there will never be a society that rises above worshipping a creed that eventually sequesters all economic and political influence in a select few who are feared and loved and emulated. It's how we do it and shit. Right up to the point where people are happy to start preaching economic value as excuse for ignoring values.

[mashman]

That's not a logical fallacy. They have specific names. I was talking about your argument.

There are several reports that state that there is nominal risk in reopening the mine to recover bodies from the most likely locations. The overall cost to do so is insignificant.

Read the Q&A on Stuff about the decision not to recover them and it is entirely about the coal permit not being renewed for Pike River.

In regard to your original argument, there is no point caring, we are all of us utterly incapable of exerting any kind of influence to change any of the things you rant about. The inertia behind our current system of Government and the International artifices that enable currency and physical trade enable a moribund and corrupt "system" to maintain its own velocity. There will never be social equity. There will never be justice, there will never be a society that rises above worshipping a creed that eventually sequesters all economic and political influence in a select few who are feared and loved and emulated. It's how we do it and shit. Right up to the point where people are happy to start preaching economic value as excuse for ignoring values.

All bits of land with imaginary borders and people on them. By all means add the names, feck all changes. (to be fair Chile didn't give up on their miners).

I'm sure there are any number of excuses for not retrieving the bodies, but I agreed with your economic assessment as being the primary issue. If the govt has said they would retrieve the bodies irrespective of cost and the bodies are still in there... then I reckons the govt lied.

And that's a reason not to try? Shit, we only need to replace 61 people and democracy does the rest. Quite possibly only need 30 people and the career politician that got into politics to change the world will likely remember that... irrespective, 61 is all that's required... 121 if you wanna make sure. We'll see.

[trustme]

You must have read a different Q & A report in stuff to the one I just looked at. The decision is a based on the belief that it is not feasible to do a body recovery with no risk to rescuers. Not a bit of risk , not a perhaps or maybe , not a let's cross our fingers & hope, not a let's go like fuck & we'll beat any risk. There had to be no risk , any fuck up & the consequences would be monumental for Solid Energy legally & politically. They erred on the side a of caution .
Predictable , I don't blame them, the way the industrial safety laws are set up they had little choice.