Key Government out on its own. No one else to blame!

[mashman]

If you're that concerned about the wider community, why do you spend so much time talking shit on the interweb when you could be helping out somewhere?

Training and biding my time.

[Ocean1]

Oh it's working just fine for me on a personal level... but taking into consideration the wider community, no, it's not working for me.

Just how wide is that consideration? Which bits of the community in particular are worse off than their parents were?

Fuck, a common or garden dole bludger nowadays has a lifestyle his granpappy would have killed for. Possibly actually did kill for.

Nah, the only people this side of prison walls that are even vaguely "poor" have made a tremendous effort to escape wealth, and none of the above should be considered "community".

Just as you make extraordinary accommodations with just about every positive factual indicator of social and financial improvements in order to continue to pretend we're all doomed.

[MisterD]

How's the wage parity going between Aus and NZ? The Drift hasn't reversed, we still have thousands more kiwis leaving to Aus than staying, it's just that our net arrivals (new migrants - Chinese, Indian, Fillipino ) are now slightly more than those leaving.

"Thousands", well 3400 more left to Aussie than arrived from, to be precise. That's the lowest it's been in about 20 years and pretty bloody good considering the relative size of the labour markets.

Source: http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2015/01/migration_to_australia_falls_again.html

[Ocean1]

"Thousands", well 3400 more left to Aussie than arrived from, to be precise.

And the mean IQ of both has improved as a direct result...

[mashman]

Just how wide is that consideration? Which bits of the community in particular are worse off than their parents were?

Fuck, a common or garden dole bludger nowadays has a lifestyle his granpappy would have killed for. Possibly actually did kill for.

Nah, the only people this side of prison walls that are even vaguely "poor" have made a tremendous effort to escape wealth, and none of the above should be considered "community".

Just as you make extraordinary accommodations with just about every positive factual indicator of social and financial improvements in order to continue to pretend we're all doomed.

My consideration encompasses every single man, woman and child on this planet.

:killingme... what, is that what the statistics tell you?

That another report huh? Tell that to the people working 2 jobs to support kids they barely gets to see... let alone nurture into adulthood.

Factual :killingme :crybaby: :killingme talk about burying ones head in the sand.

I'd call you an ignorant fuck, but you're a part of the entitlement brigade and par for the course of maintaining that persona is that you need to distance yourself from those people by referring to them as lazy fuckers where in reality you tight entitlement fuckwits aren't paying enough. That son, is a fact!

[Scuba_Steve]

"Thousands", well 3400 more left to Aussie than arrived from, to be precise. That's the lowest it's been in about 20 years and pretty bloody good considering the relative size of the labour markets.

Source: http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2015/01/migration_to_australia_falls_again.html

course that wouldn't have anything to do with the Ozzy job market now would it??? Course not, National single handedly did it by [fill blank with own naive view here]
National are worthless waste of money just like the Labour before them

[Oscar]

I'd call you an ignorant fuck, but you're a part of the entitlement brigade and par for the course of maintaining that persona is that you need to distance yourself from those people by referring to them as lazy fuckers where in reality you tight entitlement fuckwits aren't paying enough. That son, is a fact!

So by "entitlement brigade", you mean people who have worked hard to get where they are?
People that piss you off by not listening to your whinging?

[mashman]

course that wouldn't have anything to do with the Ozzy job market now would it??? Course not, National single handedly did it by [fill blank with own naive view here]
National are worthless waste of money just like the Labour before them

That's just silly talk. It's up there with claiming that people have a better lifestyle today than their grandparents did, despite the fact that 6% unemployment back then was far less people than the 6% who are unemployed today. If the govt are gonna hide behind reports, then they will believe that there are no issues to address. At that point in time they can tell everyone that they're living in a brighter future with a higher standard of living than their relatives... despite the obvious and absolute fact that there are more people unemployed today than back in the day, irrespective of how far society and the associated lifestyle is claimed to have come.

[MisterD]

course that wouldn't have anything to do with the Ozzy job market now would it???

Of course it's got everything to do with the Aussie job market, the point being that National have managed to sail a reasonably steady ship, whereas the Aussies have fucked it up royally. I'm not cheerleading the Nats, just saying that they've done an OK job and deserve at least a grudging acknowledgement of that.

[mashman]

So by "entitlement brigade", you mean people who have worked hard to get where they are?
People that piss you off by not listening to your whinging?

Look it up fuzzball.
As they're a tiny minority they have my sympathy.

[Oscar]

Look it up fuzzball.
As they're a tiny minority they have my sympathy.

"Fuzzball"?
Some parts of me are quite hairy, but fuzzball is probably overdoing it.

[Brian d marge]

Just how wide is that consideration? Which bits of the community in particular are worse off than their parents were?

Fuck, a common or garden dole bludger nowadays has a lifestyle his granpappy would have killed for. Possibly actually did kill for.

Nah, the only people this side of prison walls that are even vaguely "poor" have made a tremendous effort to escape wealth, and none of the above should be considered "community".

Just as you make extraordinary accommodations with just about every positive factual indicator of social and financial improvements in order to continue to pretend we're all doomed.

Damn ...I didnt know my granddad had access to computers , Robotic production lines , JIT production methods and all the other stuff that kinda helps with modern life ...

Still Im heartened to know that , the basics of food, shelter and health are still a strain on most peoples budget some things never change, and that those feckless layabouts are running riot with this country's economy...just like they did back in the day .....

even though less than 1/2 of the social welfare budget is spent on the unemployed ........


I still have that water side utility in Auckland for sale if you are interested ..... you should be able to get a zero interest loan ... its a great revenue generator ,,,,what with all those speed cameras

Stephen

[mashman]

"Fuzzball"?
Some parts of me are quite hairy, but fuzzball is probably overdoing it.

I'm bald all over so by default you're a hairy cunt which ever way I choose to cut it.

[Brian d marge]

So by "entitlement brigade", you mean people who have worked hard to get where they are?


Thats the ones , the ones whom student loans , heat and light costs, housing .... all the kinda," basic stuff" hadnt felt the pressure of privatised speculation,,,,

ahh yes, the days when a fair day work , entitled you to a fair day pay ......

and if one worked hard and doffed the cap sometimes to his Lordship , one could rise though the ranks to lead a comfortable retirement ......

I all ready had a buyer in mind for my Auckland water front utility ...but if ya quick and offer me the right price I may let ya have it .....for the right price of course ...

I have made a small modification to it which, I think adds value ...but as I say make me an offer !

310618

[Oscar]

Thats the ones , the ones whom student loans , heat and light costs, housing .... all the kinda," basic stuff" hadnt felt the pressure of privatised speculation,,,,

ahh yes, the days when a fair day work , entitled you to a fair day pay ......

and if one worked hard and doffed the cap sometimes to his Lordship , one could rise though the ranks to lead a comfortable retirement ......

I all ready had a buyer in mind for my Auckland water front utility ...but if ya quick and offer me the right price I may let ya have it .....for the right price of course ...

I have made a small modification to it which, I think adds value ...but as I say make me an offer !



Student loan?
What student loan?
You never experienced the state running things like power and telecom did you?

As for the rest of your ravings, I am self employed - who shall I doff my cap too?

[Brian d marge]

Student loan?
What student loan?
You never experienced the state running things like power and telecom did you?

As for the rest of your ravings, I am self employed - who shall I doff my cap too?
Assuming again arent we

We have been down this path
You paid your subsidize fee yourself

Yadda yadda

Now what about the utility . . Ive got some pretty interested overseas investors lined up

[Oscar]

Assuming again arent we



Due to the rather backward nature of your communication skills, most of what is gleaned from your posts is by the use of assumption.

[Brian d marge]

Due to the rather backward nature of your communication skills, most of what is gleaned from your posts is by the use of assumption.
And yet others seem to cope
Strange that

Must be an internet thing

Btw talking about a complete lack of communication. I'm still waiting for, your explanation of how zero interest rates . . .let alone . . . Low interest rates help the economy or the people living in the economy

avoidance, now that is a failure communication 1st prize goes to you

How bout that bridge .

[Oscar]

And yet others seem to cope
Strange that

Must be an internet thing

Btw talking about a complete lack of communication. I'm still waiting for, your explanation of how zero interest rates . . .let alone . . . Low interest rates help the economy or the people living in the economy

avoidance, now that is a failure communication 1st prize goes to you

How bout that bridge .

See, there you go again - I can't recall any discussion regarding low interest rates (although I was obviously for 'em by the sound of it), so whatever you posted obviously made little or no impression.

Notwithstanding that, if you can't accept something as obvious as low interest rates help an economy, there is nothing that I can say to penetrate that sort of stupidity.
I have better things to do than argue with financial knuckleheads on the interweb.

[Brian d marge]

See, there you go again - I can't recall any discussion regarding low interest rates (although I was obviously for 'em by the sound of it), so whatever you posted obviously made little or no impression.

Notwithstanding that, if you can't accept something as obvious as low interest rates help an economy, there is nothing that I can say to penetrate that sort of stupidity.
I have better things to do than argue with financial knuckleheads on the interweb.
Taking a page from glorious leaders book
Shall I jog your memory. . , .

If as a knucklehead grasp this simple concept . . Does bode well for you

Come on give it a try . . Explain to the uneducated how it effects us . . .

[Ocean1]

That son, is a fact!


At that point in time they can tell everyone that they're living in a brighter future with a higher standard of living than their relatives... despite the obvious and absolute fact that there are more people unemployed today than back in the day, irrespective of how far society and the associated lifestyle is claimed to have come.

Tell me about it, the lazy bastards do nothing but breed!

And in spite of all that deadweight both the dolebludgers and those working overtime to pay for them are indeed far better off than ever before. Only a fuckwit would attempt to claim otherwise.

[Brian d marge]

Tell me about it, the lazy bastards do nothing but breed!

And in spite of all that deadweight both the dolebludgers and those working overtime to pay for them are indeed far better off than ever before. Only a fuckwit would attempt to claim otherwise.
But yet they dont account much for the social welfare spend
If you include the sick ones
The brave ones and their widows wives etc
The disabled . . . .oh those terrible useless cripples

As of 2009 . .off the top of head

The lazy unemployed were 7 percent of the amount paid to the oldies when u compare the two
Students 6 percent
Damn familys took 26 percent when compared with oldies

As of 2009

If you want the up to date percentage of the welfare budget
If i get a chance later Ill post it

Damn those lazy unemployed draining the countries coffers

Damn them

[Ocean1]

But yet they dont account much for the social welfare spend
If you include the sick ones
The brave ones and their widows wives etc
The disabled . . . .oh those terrible useless cripples

As of 2009 . .off the top of head

The lazy unemployed were 7 percent of the amount paid to the oldies when u compare the two
Students 6 percent
Damn familys took 26 percent when compared with oldies

As of 2009

If you want the up to date percentage of the welfare budget
If i get a chance later Ill post it


Don't bother, it's here: 310621

Well over half of the population are net tax consumers. That makes them beneficiaries.

[Brian d marge]

Don't bother, it's here: 310621

Well over half of the population are net tax consumers. That makes them beneficiaries.
Ahh that old chestnut
Ya posted that before


Dont ya think there might be something wrong if to use your words half the population is a tax consumer

And a few . .assuming the taxes are being paid . . .wealthy ones are paying to support us less than fortunates

Its rather nice of them

Btw who is them . .160 000 household earning over 150 plus
Farmers . . . .mom and pop investors . . .husband and wife no kids both on 75k a year

Oscar.,?

Just as an aside last year 2012 . .13
Job seekers were 7.9 percent of the total welfare dpb baby factories were 0.7 percent
Long term unemployed 0.3 percent . .and the biggest drain on poor Oscars finances . , those damn old people
48 percent

Get ya wallet out oscar

[mashman]

Tell me about it, the lazy bastards do nothing but breed!

And in spite of all that deadweight both the dolebludgers and those working overtime to pay for them are indeed far better off than ever before. Only a fuckwit would attempt to claim otherwise.

I know, but at least they can afford to hire nannies n the likes... it certainly helps our economy.

Better? :killingme my apologies for not looking at 7 billion individuals as nought more than a resource. See, right there, that is what worse is... that blind scared old white muthafucka shit. The description of fuckwit coming from someone he sees a human as nought more than a resource is quite a compliment. Chur bro.

[mashman]

Btw who is them . .160 000 household earning over 150 plus

More likely the 830 people who get paid more than $1,000,000 a year. Enough for 16,600 people to earn the average wage doing a real job... if they were worth anything that is.

Wonder how many are socialites and sports stars and tv presenters and film stars etc... ya know, those who produce fuck all of any real use.

[Brian d marge]

Whats the median wage 25 , . 30 a year . . Not a lot really

[Brian d marge]

And if ya really want to point the finger

On march 31 1952

Only 2 people were getting the unemployment benefit

Now those two are legendary

[Ocean1]

Better? :killingme my apologies for not looking at 7 billion individuals as nought more than a resource. See, right there, that is what worse is... that blind scared old white muthafucka shit. The description of fuckwit coming from someone he sees a human as nought more than a resource is quite a compliment. Chur bro.

Who said anything about resources?

Get back to the facts: every single demographic on the planet is better off than it was a generation ago. And the change traces exactly the same curve as the rise of democracy and international trade. And it's exponential.

I know you get all sweaty and foam a bit about scared old white fuckers but seriously, soon you'll have to start counting swimming pools and country estates to figure out who's poor, it's getting fucking ridiculous.

[Ocean1]

Dont ya think there might be something wrong if to use your words half the population is a tax consumer

Fucking right there's something wrong, it's the natural consequence of governments buying votes: a slim majority get more than they earn at the expense of a minority who get less than they earn. Up top there they get WAY less than they earn.

Socialism eh? Who'd have it?

[Brian d marge]

Who said anything about resources?

Get back to the facts: every single demographic on the planet is better off than it was a generation ago. And the change traces exactly the same curve as the rise of democracy and international trade. And it's exponential.

I know you get all sweaty and foam a bit about scared old white fuckers but seriously, soon you'll have to start counting swimming pools and country estates to figure out who's poor, it's getting fucking ridiculous.
2 kg of what ever you are smokin

Ill pay cash

Have a look at what led up to an caused the great depression

Now have a look at the dow and asset prices

Actually make it 3 kg it sounds like its good weed

[Brian d marge]

Fucking right there's something wrong, it's the natural consequence of governments buying votes: a slim majority get more than they earn at the expense of a minority who get less than they earn. Up top there they get WAY less than they earn.

Socialism eh? Who'd have it?

Make that 4 kg

As slight majority of people get more money than they should earn at the expense of the minority who dont get enough

Nope . . Ya going to have run that one past me again

[mashman]

Who said anything about resources?

Get back to the facts: every single demographic on the planet is better off than it was a generation ago. And the change traces exactly the same curve as the rise of democracy and international trade. And it's exponential.

I know you get all sweaty and foam a bit about scared old white fuckers but seriously, soon you'll have to start counting swimming pools and country estates to figure out who's poor, it's getting fucking ridiculous.

It's the sweet way you speak about human beings.

Demographics are commoditised, marketed against blah blah fuckin blah and turned into money makers. And that's better off? The associated bullshit that goes with that is kinda pathetic and accepting that as something that's required in order to make an economy tick is exceptionally ignorant. That goes doubly for democracy and international trade. It's a fuckin waste is what it is.

As I said to Oscar, it's sympathy. They literally don't know what they're missing.

[Scuba_Steve]

Get back to the facts: every single demographic on the planet is better off than it was a generation ago. And the change traces exactly the same curve as the rise of democracy and international trade. And it's exponential.


Bullshit! I'm not. I've had to decrease my vehicle fleet by 2 due to cost of ownership getting beyond what I could afford & I'm still paying more for what's left than I was for my full fleet a "generation ago" & I'm more restricted in the use of them... I can't in any way shape or form call that "better off", I love my vehicles

[Brian d marge]

Bullshit! I'm not. I've had to decrease my vehicle fleet by 2 due to cost of ownership getting beyond what I could afford & I'm still paying more for what's left than I was for my full fleet a "generation ago" & I'm more restricted in the use of them... I can't in any way shape or form call that "better off", I love my vehicles
I feel your pain . . Im on me last wife and she costin me a far bit more than I can afford

[Ocean1]

It's the sweet way you speak about human beings.

Demographics are commoditised, marketed against blah blah fuckin blah and turned into money makers. And that's better off? The associated bullshit that goes with that is kinda pathetic and accepting that as something that's required in order to make an economy tick is exceptionally ignorant. That goes doubly for democracy and international trade. It's a fuckin waste is what it is.

As I said to Oscar, it's sympathy. They literally don't know what they're missing.

That "associated bullshit" is called statistics, it's the language used to discuss large numbers of things.

And the fact that you don't understand it is ample reason to write off your somewhat unintelligible ravings as uninformed bullshit.

And that's without addressing the obvious logical flaws and contradictory statements included in your wee rant. You're obviously not a fan of democracy, for example, you constantly insist that we should all do what you say, and will do "when the revolution comes". And yet you also constantly bleat about anyone else who you fantasise may have an undue influence on govt policy.

Your whole world view is seriously fucked, you can't possibly expect to be taken seriously by anyone outside of half a dozen pimply faced rebels who don't like to play with the other kids.

Now fuck off and see if you can actually earn your boss some of what he's actually paying you for today, eh?

[Scuba_Steve]

You're obviously not a fan of democracy

I'm not sure if I'm a fan of democracy either, but I think it'd be a shitload better system than what we have now

[Oscar]

Bullshit! I'm not. I've had to decrease my vehicle fleet by 2 due to cost of ownership getting beyond what I could afford & I'm still paying more for what's left than I was for my full fleet a "generation ago" & I'm more restricted in the use of them... I can't in any way shape or form call that "better off", I love my vehicles

Select one of your fleet and do a comparison on the purchase price 30 years ago and today (maybe use the average wage as a comparison point), then tell us about ""cost of ownership".

[bogan]

I'm not sure if I'm a fan of democracy either, but I think it'd be a shitload better system than what we have now

It's only a proper democracy if they agree with me right? :scratch:

[Scuba_Steve]

Select one of your fleet and do a comparison on the purchase price 30 years ago and today (maybe use the average wage as a comparison point), then tell us about ""cost of ownership".

Never brought new if that helps, & I can't say bike prices have changed a hell of alot (to buy), cars have fluctuated a bit but also got worse. I remember being able to buy a decent RWD manual or 5 (late 80's produced the best)...



It's only a proper democracy if they agree with me right? :scratch:

Nope it's only a proper democracy if everyone has a say & is in control

[mashman]

That "associated bullshit" is called statistics, it's the language used to discuss large numbers of things.

And the fact that you don't understand it is ample reason to write off your somewhat unintelligible ravings as uninformed bullshit.

And that's without addressing the obvious logical flaws and contradictory statements included in your wee rant. You're obviously not a fan of democracy, for example, you constantly insist that we should all do what you say, and will do "when the revolution comes". And yet you also constantly bleat about anyone else who you fantasise may have an undue influence on govt policy.

Your whole world view is seriously fucked, you can't possibly expect to be taken seriously by anyone outside of half a dozen pimply faced rebels who don't like to play with the other kids.

Now fuck off and see if you can actually earn your boss some of what he's actually paying you for today, eh?


No, that associated bullshit is called someone's life you ignorant tit.

Given the above, it turns out, not that we didn't know already, that you're the uninformed one... worse, you prefer to make wildly inaccurate assumptions to underpin your failed position and then blurt it out as fact. Thanks though, coz it does make me laugh.

Again, you make an assumption without actually qualifying it in any way shape or form. Where you see a lack of logic and a contradictory statement, someone with a more optimistic view on reality will see near perfect logic and will be able to reconcile that contradiction. Again you fail. I have stated repeatedly that I am a complete fan of democracy (another of your vapid assumptions). I'm not insisting that we should all do what I say (another vapid assumption). Fantasise? :killingme... I said sympathise cloth ears.

:killingme... what, you think I'm alone? Boy are you going to get a shock. Don't worry though, I'll be there for you to answer any of your questions once the penny drops.

Boss? :killingme... jeez you're dumb.

[blue rider]

http://www.theautomaticearth.com/2015/04/theres-trouble-brewing-in-middle-earth/



he Government is blaming a slump in milk prices on the world market being awash with milk. But New Zealand First leader Winston Peters said National’s economic policies and the high value of the New Zealand dollar were not helping dairy farmers. In the Global Dairy Trade auction prices dropped 10.8% overnight to $US2746 a tonne, the second fall in a fortnight. Mr Peters said he predicted the fall and it was a sign of rural areas lagging behind. “I’ve been saying it for a long long time – what you’ve got is a fixation with Auckland, hollowing out the provincial economies and sucking all the attention and money to Auckland and that is not going to go on any longer.”

Mr Peters said New Zealand had a free market system that no other country followed and he would legislate to control the exchange rate, similar to Singapore’s system. “The one country that’s not devaluing at the moment is New Zealand – every other economy has. [..] Economic Development Minister Steven Joyce firmly rejected that idea. “Well, with the greatest respect to Winston I am old enough, and so is he, to remember the last time we tried to set the exchange rate in this country and it wasn’t that successful…

“What he is basically saying is that he would legislate, presumably, to put the exchange rate at a level it won’t naturally go and that means effectively increasing costs for the consumer and decreasing costs for exporters.” [..] Meanwhile, the Fonterra Shareholders Council said some frustrated farmers were considering leaving the co-operative due to the price slump.


resident Xi has reinforced the contrasting effects of the changes in China on Australia and New Zealand by encouraging consumers and investors to spend more of China’s big trade surpluses overseas. Tourism from China was up 40% in the first two months of this year from a year ago, and there remains plenty of demand from investors in China for New Zealand assets.

The dark side of this tornado in New Zealand after the flapping of the butterfly’s wings in China was felt in Nelson this week. The region’s biggest logging trucking firm, Waimea Contract Carriers, was put into voluntary administration owing $14m, partly because of a slump in log exports to China in the past six months.

That’s because New Zealand’s logs are now mostly shipped to China to be timber boxing for the concrete being poured in its new “ghost” cities. The Chinese iron ore butterfly has flapped and now we’re seeing Gold Coast winter breaks become cheaper and logging contracts rarer.


fuckayeah mate, all is good in nzillind, cause i have mine, and you well fuck ya. :)

[Brian d marge]

Dear steven joyce hasnt a clue about the economy . .or is following orders

[oldrider]

Who would want to be prime minister FFS?http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/john-key-ponytail-tugging-pm-apologises-waitress-6297009

[Banditbandit]

Who would want to be prime minister FFS?http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/john-key-ponytail-tugging-pm-apologises-waitress-6297009

Creep !!!!

[oldrider]

Creep !!!!

Do you think I should have posted in this thread: This cunt got what he deserved! :rolleyes: - probably the right heading! :laugh:

[Banditbandit]

Do you think I should have posted in this thread: This cunt got what he deserved! :rolleyes: - probably the right heading! :laugh:

Yeah - whatever ...

Pulling ponytails is a 12 year old game .. the man who wants to be our Prime Minister should know better .. it just shows the level of his mentality - 12 years old ..

[oldrider]

Yeah - whatever ...

Pulling ponytails is a 12 year old game .. the man who wants to be our Prime Minister should know better .. it just shows the level of his mentality - 12 years old ..

As you say - whatever - but this is the best prime minister material on offer in NZ - mentality 12 years old - true but doesn't say much for any of the alternatives! :lol:

[mada]

Yeah - whatever ...

Pulling ponytails is a 12 year old game .. the man who wants to be our Prime Minister should know better .. it just shows the level of his mentality - 12 years old ..

Isn't surprising given the nice treatment they gave to Mike Sabin. The Ministers in this government are a fucking disgrace.

[Banditbandit]

As you say - whatever - but this is the best prime minister material on offer in NZ - mentality 12 years old - true but doesn't say much for any of the alternatives! :lol:

Are you seriously suggesting that Andrew Little, Russel Norm (yeah I know he's gone), Winnie, and any other the others would do worse than pulling the ponytail of a waitress in a coffee shop???

[mada]

Are you seriously suggesting that Andrew Little, Russel Norm (yeah I know he's gone), Winnie, and any other the others would do worse than pulling the ponytail of a waitress in a coffee shop???

It's ironic he equates "best" with popular.

NZ's best PM whoever they are to come, is going to be the most unpopular PM ever as they will need to - get rid of non-means tested pensions, dampen the housing market - and housing values, reduce health services, and actually have the some fiscal policy that rectifies the imbalances in our economy while causing kiwis to tighten their credit borrowing belts. Such a PM would be the best for NZ, but only in for one term.. in fact with the way things are now I doubt one will get voted in.

Good job New Zealand on selling the future down the drain.

Here's our New Flag:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_lyJBDsEyfzU/TAkzlUNU7nI/AAAAAAAAI8I/QfiNftwa2pE/s1600/china_middle.jpg

[bogan]

It's ironic he equates "best" with popular.

NZ's best PM whoever they are to come, is going to be the most unpopular PM ever as they will need to - get rid of non-means tested pensions, dampen the housing market - and housing values, reduce health services, and actually have the some fiscal policy that rectifies the imbalances in our economy while causing kiwis to tighten their credit borrowing belts. Such a PM would be the best for NZ, but only in for one term.. in fact with the way things are now I doubt one will get voted in.

Good job New Zealand on selling the future down the drain.

Here's our New Flag:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_lyJBDsEyfzU/TAkzlUNU7nI/AAAAAAAAI8I/QfiNftwa2pE/s1600/china_middle.jpg

Bring back the monarchy eh?

[mada]

Bring back the monarchy eh?

Heh, well technically speaking we still have it - and still pay millions to maintain it. Just another bunch of bludging.

[oldrider]

Are you seriously suggesting that Andrew Little, Russel Norm (yeah I know he's gone), Winnie, and any other the others would do worse than pulling the ponytail of a waitress in a coffee shop???

I am suggesting nothing - the election results and the polls are the reference point - Key is the best of the pack - clearly!

[Ocean1]

It's ironic he equates "best" with popular.

NZ's best PM whoever they are to come, is going to be the most unpopular PM ever as they will need to - get rid of non-means tested pensions, dampen the housing market - and housing values, reduce health services, and actually have the some fiscal policy that rectifies the imbalances in our economy while causing kiwis to tighten their credit borrowing belts. Such a PM would be the best for NZ, but only in for one term.. in fact with the way things are now I doubt one will get voted in.


The best NZ PM would have diametrically financially opposing policies? Well I never.

As for hair pulling, he could learn a lot around here of an evenings whinging session.

And then, he could have always pulled the old "did not have hirsute relations with that woman"...

[mada]

I am suggesting nothing - the election results and the polls are the reference point - Key is the best of the pack - clearly!

Just like Nixon was the best of his time...

[mada]

The best NZ PM would have diametrically financially opposing policies? Well I never.

As for hair pulling, he could learn a lot around here of an evenings whinging session.

And then, he could have always pulled the old "did not have hirsute relations with that woman"...

Yes ofcourse a whole Parliament full of property investors - many of whom will then leave to become directors/chairs on boards at banks making millions off property investments really want to see all kiwis in their own homes and more money going into NZ businesses rather than spent on rents or interest for mortgages. :niceone:

Those whinging socialists in the Reserve Bank and Treasury talking about financial and economical risks are barely understandable. What would they know? Especially compared to someone who for the last 7 years has told us he can land a 747 on a pin head.

Bets are on for which Chinese Bank Key will direct when he eventually leaves years down the track... will it be with Jenny Shipley, Ruth Richardson, Chris Tremain, or Don Brash... hard pick. :niceone:

[oldrider]

Just like Nixon was the best of his time...

He said he was not a crook - America believed him - for a while - da te dah! - JK third term so the electorate will turn on him now - history? :corn:

[blue rider]

Are you seriously suggesting that Andrew Little, Russel Norm (yeah I know he's gone), Winnie, and any other the others would do worse than pulling the ponytail of a waitress in a coffee shop???


considering that they are not with National, they of course would be worse than Dear Leader - the greens are lunatics and Andrew Little is OMGOSH a commie or sum such thing, and Winston is doing for himself. Only Dear Leader is the only one who can save us from stuff, and all the ponytails of the country belong to him, even the ones that are attached to the heads of little girls.

And we have almost three more years of this bullshit coming at us. Rejoice in the glory that is dear leader. But atleast he never apologised for being a man.


maybe we should have all the little girls and grown women with long hair learn this


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edt9SrPtAaM

[Scuba_Steve]

http://i.imgur.com/wT4XtDj.gif
http://cdn.meme.am/instances/400x/47321300.jpg

[mashman]

It's ironic he equates "best" with popular.

NZ's best PM whoever they are to come, is going to be the most unpopular PM ever as they will need to - get rid of non-means tested pensions, dampen the housing market - and housing values, reduce health services, and actually have the some fiscal policy that rectifies the imbalances in our economy while causing kiwis to tighten their credit borrowing belts. Such a PM would be the best for NZ, but only in for one term.. in fact with the way things are now I doubt one will get voted in.

Good job New Zealand on selling the future down the drain.

Here's our New Flag:

I'm a good boy, I removed the embedded image :D

Resource Based Economy muthafuckas. Why bother to even deal with that maniacal way of doing things? Tis an awful waste of energy.

[mashman]

the greens are lunatics

The greens are fucked because they don't have a financial climate that would allow them to address that which needs addressing. The media paint them any way but positive on that basis and they're written off. Shame really.

[yokel]

The greens are fucked because they don't have a financial climate that would allow them to address that which needs addressing. The media paint them any way but positive on that basis and they're written off. Shame really.

the problem with the greens is that they're socialist leftist digbats,

pretty much all government social policies, especially from the left are social destructive.

[blue rider]

the problem with the greens is that they're socialist leftist digbats,

pretty much all government social policies, especially from the left are social destructive.


yes dear, cause feeding kids, looking after the environment, building houses and shit is social destructive.

on the other side, running ads in singapore extorting the fact that there is no stamp duty, no land tax and no Capital Gains in NZ is good policy, advertising the fact that the suckers of NZ will spend half of their wages to Singaporian landlords, is awesome policy
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/67975887/property-solutions-singapore-defends-markting-auckland

selling your water to china for a pittance is good policy

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-today/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503462&objectid=11402076


growing more cows in a traditional drought area (while dreaming up bit schemes of irrigation and fuck trout fishing i'ts for loosers anyways) while there is a glut of milk solids and prices are falling faster anyone could say boooo is also good policy

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/rural/271668/drought-tightens-grip-in-north-canterbury

now these are all good policies that will strengthen the social fabric of the country and teach us the value of work, and god n stuff.........

and if it isn't well there is always the option of suicide if everything gets just too fuckn hard

https://agrihq.co.nz/article/farmer-suicide-rates-need-action?p=7

because hey, we might have told ya to take out loans, n buy cows n become a fonterra drone n stuff, but when shit hits the fan you are on yer fuckn own.....cause thats good social policy.



We need more dingbats in this country to save us from the ones that know supposedly better. And in saying that, National has held the Northland seat for how many decades? IF national is so good at everything, how come Northland is not showing the awesome social policies and its rewards? Maybe because other then selling stuff National has no policies?

[oldrider]

Pam Corkery has spoken - now there is history in the making! :laugh:

[MisterD]

The greens are fucked because they don't have a financial climate that would allow them to address that which needs addressing. The media paint them any way but positive on that basis and they're written off. Shame really.

Wait, what?

The media generally change the header on Green press releases and press "print". I've never once seen them challenged on their lunacies.

Question: Why is it that we're hearing about John Key annoying a waitress six months ago, yet were completely in the dark about Cunliffe's parallel affairs with Katie Bradford and Mai Chen when he was attempting to be elected as PM?

[yokel]

yes dear, cause feeding kids, looking after the environment, building houses and shit is social destructive.

on the other side, running ads in singapore extorting the fact that there is no stamp duty, no land tax and no Capital Gains in NZ is good policy, advertising the fact that the suckers of NZ will spend half of their wages to Singaporian landlords, is awesome policy
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/67975887/property-solutions-singapore-defends-markting-auckland

selling your water to china for a pittance is good policy

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-today/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503462&objectid=11402076


growing more cows in a traditional drought area (while dreaming up bit schemes of irrigation and fuck trout fishing i'ts for loosers anyways) while there is a glut of milk solids and prices are falling faster anyone could say boooo is also good policy

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/rural/271668/drought-tightens-grip-in-north-canterbury

now these are all good policies that will strengthen the social fabric of the country and teach us the value of work, and god n stuff.........

and if it isn't well there is always the option of suicide if everything gets just too fuckn hard

https://agrihq.co.nz/article/farmer-suicide-rates-need-action?p=7

because hey, we might have told ya to take out loans, n buy cows n become a fonterra drone n stuff, but when shit hits the fan you are on yer fuckn own.....cause thats good social policy.



We need more dingbats in this country to save us from the ones that know supposedly better. And in saying that, National has held the Northland seat for how many decades? IF national is so good at everything, how come Northland is not showing the awesome social policies and its rewards? Maybe because other then selling stuff National has no policies?

Good example of why allowing women the right to vote was and still a bad idea.

[mashman]

the problem with the greens is that they're socialist leftist digbats,

pretty much all government social policies, especially from the left are social destructive.

lol... I be reading that with muchos sarcasmos.

They're only destructive because they're done to a budget... in so many ways they're completely hamstrung by the financial economy... and yes, that also goes for the govt of the day, but they should fuckin well know that by now.

[mashman]

Wait, what?

The media generally change the header on Green press releases and press "print". I've never once seen them challenged on their lunacies.

Question: Why is it that we're hearing about John Key annoying a waitress six months ago, yet were completely in the dark about Cunliffe's parallel affairs with Katie Bradford and Mai Chen when he was attempting to be elected as PM?

Isn't that the usual for all media release :shifty:

Because JK gets to apologise publicly and it'll all be forgotten and there's no such thing as bad publicity, especially when all you have to do is apologise for a "childish" act. He'll come out of this unscathed. If Conlife had have become PM he would have apologised too and the world would have turned as the next ream of "news" hits the eyes and takes precedence over the school boy shite.

[oldrider]

Isn't that the usual for all media release :shifty:

Because JK gets to apologise publicly and it'll all be forgotten and there's no such thing as bad publicity, especially when all you have to do is apologise for a "childish" act. He'll come out of this unscathed. If Conlife had have become PM he would have apologised too and the world would have turned as the next ream of "news" hits the eyes and takes precedence over the school boy shite.

It's all coming together now - a frail left wing attack on the PM - shit is that all they can conjure up FFS! :rolleyes:

John Key will have to address that compulsive obsessive fetish for long hair and plaits - now that he is aware of it - the evidence is there! :corn:

[mashman]

It's all coming together now - a frail left wing attack on the PM - shit is that all they can conjure up FFS! :rolleyes:

John Key will have to address that compulsive obsessive fetish for long hair and plaits - now that he is aware of it - the evidence is there! :corn:

lol... it is kind of disappointing when you realise these guys run the country.

Send him to Jamaica... they'll beat it out of him :shifty:

[mada]

Wait, what?

The media generally change the header on Green press releases and press "print". I've never once seen them challenged on their lunacies.

Question: Why is it that we're hearing about John Key annoying a waitress six months ago, yet were completely in the dark about Cunliffe's parallel affairs with Katie Bradford and Mai Chen when he was attempting to be elected as PM?

An affair is no ones business - unless those in the affair are granting political favours ie a major job or appointment to one another.

If you actually read the news you would see that Key had been continually annoying the waitress with the last couple of incidents not being six months ago, but February and March of this year... ie last month..

Fucking Lefties of the 1950s and 60s obviously didn't push hard enough for reading comprehension at school for baby boomers because all over the place old farts are saying that it happened a year ago. :brick:

[mada]

It's all coming together now - a frail left wing attack on the PM - shit is that all they can conjure up FFS! :rolleyes:

John Key will have to address that compulsive obsessive fetish for long hair and plaits - now that he is aware of it - the evidence is there! :corn:

Yeh its pretty weak that they would setup a young girl to receive unwanted touches....

I mean if anyone else did it like the PM they would be chucked in a cell.

I'll give you a $20 if you try touching the hair of the next constable who pulls you over or you see working in cop station, going about their job.... I'm sure nothing would happen right!

[mashman]

Who can do one of these for JK?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YBumQHPAeU

[MisterD]

An affair is no ones business - unless those in the affair are granting political favours ie a major job or appointment to one another.

So you don't think the public have a right to know when a prospective PM is slipping one up a member of the parliamentary press gallery and a lawyer who makes money from government appointments?

[mada]

So you don't think the public have a right to know when a prospective PM is slipping one up a member of the parliamentary press gallery and a lawyer who makes money from government appointments?

If it results in a conflict of interest in terms of appointments sure. Which is why Len's Affair deserved publicity as there was the potential for that. Aside from that, who fucks who is no business of mine or anyone elses unless they are trying to do a Mike Sabin.

[mada]

Who can do one of these for JK?

video of another stupid tory

It's quite funny how he is borrowing phrases and lines from Key... "we're on the cusp of something very special". They obviously get the same PR people coming up with their bullshit. :tugger:

[MisterD]

If it results in a conflict of interest in terms of appointments sure.

So it's none of our business if a politician and a political journalist on the state TV channel, with expectations of political neutrality, are having an affair?

I mean, I know the Labour Party were running their Auckland organisation out of TVNZ for a while there but...

[Ocean1]

If it results in a conflict of interest in terms of appointments sure.

Ohyeah, I'm SO glad Key's not getting his pudding under the table without being taken to task by the scrupulously impartial media. :laugh:

[mada]

So it's none of our business if a politician and a political journalist on the state TV channel, with expectations of political neutrality, are having an affair?

I mean, I know the Labour Party were running their Auckland organisation out of TVNZ for a while there but...

That's like saying Mike Sabin's son shouldn't be employed by TV3 because they received state funding.... or that Katie Bradford should not have been a journalist in the first place because of her mother.

A relationship family, fucking, or whatever doesn't automatically mean that one is not acting politically neutral - half of our civil service would be gutted if we applied that logic... where's the evidence to show Katie was breaching political neutrality.

[Banditbandit]

the problem with the greens is that they're socialist leftist digbats,

At least they can spell ...


pretty much all government social policies, especially from the left are social destructive.


:laugh: :rofl: You do realize that, on the world stage, all New Zealand Governments since 1932 have been regarded as left wing ???


And I'm sure we've seen this before ,... but a timely reminder

Liberals tend to be more intelligent than conservatives

http://www.americanscientist.org/science/pub/study-are-liberals-smarter-than---conservatives

[Banditbandit]

http://i.imgur.com/wT4XtDj.gif


In the context of the current revelations of Key's behavior, this makes my skin crawl !!!

[mashman]

It's quite funny how he is borrowing phrases and lines from Key... "we're on the cusp of something very special". They obviously get the same PR people coming up with their bullshit. :tugger:

One of my fave's:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KB5ljM3AJ2c

[carbonhed]

In the context of the current revelations of Key's behavior, this makes my skin crawl !!!

Oh right... now he's a pedophile who grooms five year olds on Campbell Live... get a grip FFS.

This is all being orchestrated by that political genius Bomber Bradbury so you can guarantee it will fall in a stinking heap shortly and see an even greater erosion of support for the left.

[husaberg]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDJvTKRW4AAc2Ky.jpg:large
http://www.quotehd.com/imagequotes/authors2/tmb/mitt-romney-mitt-romney-when-it-comes-to-pinning-blame-pin-the-tail.jpg

[mashman]

Oh right... now he's a pedophile who grooms five year olds on Campbell Live... get a grip FFS.

Well I've not heard of him tugging boys pony tails.

[husaberg]

Well I've not heard of him tugging boys pony tails.

http://static2.stuff.co.nz/1378863464/472/9152472.jpg

[carbonhed]

Well I've not heard of him tugging boys pony tails.

You're mixing this up with the English political scene... the English are always busy tugging boys. Dodgy bastards all.

[mashman]

You're mixing this up with the English political scene... the English are always busy tugging boys. Dodgy bastards all.

Where do you think you got your political system from :eek:

[yokel]

lol... I be reading that with muchos sarcasmos.

They're only destructive because they're done to a budget... in so many ways they're completely hamstrung by the financial economy... and yes, that also goes for the govt of the day, but they should fuckin well know that by now.

Haha typical leftist, full of excuses why their social meddling don't work.
the money doesn't just fall out of the sky ya know.

someone on a benefit gets say $300 per week vs someone working getting $600 means the poor cunt that is working is actually only working for $300 per week witch is the same as the useless cunt doing nothing.

[yokel]

At least they can spell ...




:laugh: :rofl: You do realize that, on the world stage, all New Zealand Governments since 1932 have been regarded as left wing ???


And I'm sure we've seen this before ,... but a timely reminder

Liberals tend to be more intelligent than conservatives

http://www.americanscientist.org/science/pub/study-are-liberals-smarter-than---conservatives

No shit Sherlock, NZ leftism start with women voting.

left wing is feminine, that's why left is looney


http://i.imgur.com/wT4XtDj.gif


In the context of the current revelations of Key's behavior, this makes my skin crawl !!!

JK is just a sexual deviant like the rest of us, that's still creepy tho ha

[Akzle]

the state TV channel, with expectations of political neutrality,
which dumbass expects that??

Oh right... now he's a pedophile who grooms five year olds

well, yes. he probably is.
on account of being a rich white weasely jew fuck, asides anything else.

where's greg hallet when you need him.

[mada]

No shit Sherlock, NZ leftism start with women voting.

left wing is feminine, that's why left is looney



JK is just a sexual deviant like the rest of us, that's still creepy tho ha

Nothing looney about these two good ole fellas aye yokel :wari:

http://images.tvnz.co.nz/tvnz_images/national_news/2014/12/prime_minister_john_key_and_national_mp_mike_sabin __Master_1882475742.jpg

[gjm]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/04/22/new-zealands-ponytail-pulling-prime-minister-becomes-national-embarrassment/

[husaberg]

JK is just a sexual deviant like the rest of us, that's still creepy tho ha

Nah hair pulling is pretty tame more of a fetish........:bleh:

[mada]

Truly, when I read your comment Yokel I could picture this upstanding morally conservative right wing politician and former police prosecutor saying it:

http://images.tvnz.co.nz/tvnz_images/news2011/crime_nz/graham_capill_smile_2.jpg

:Punk:

God bless

[Winston001]

growing more cows in a traditional drought area (while dreaming up bit schemes of irrigation and fuck trout fishing i'ts for loosers anyways) while there is a glut of milk solids and prices are falling faster anyone could say boooo is also good policy

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/rural/271668/drought-tightens-grip-in-north-canterbury



Agreed about irrigation in Canterbury. Shallow porous soils made up mainly of sand and gravel. They contain little clay or organic matter which is what good soils are composed of because they soak up and retain water. In Canterbury, irrigation water mainly drains down into the gravel beds or is evaporated by the hot winds and sun. Bloody looney to try and turn it into a garden when Waikato, Taranaki, West Coast and Southland etc already have deep rich soils.

[mashman]

Haha typical leftist, full of excuses why their social meddling don't work.
the money doesn't just fall out of the sky ya know.

someone on a benefit gets say $300 per week vs someone working getting $600 means the poor cunt that is working is actually only working for $300 per week witch is the same as the useless cunt doing nothing.

True... it trickles down :blink:

Bridge. Build one. Get on over that thang. The amusing thing is, the lazy will exist forever. They are miniscule in number. Which means that the vast majority of peeps iz willing to work. There will still be those who want to work that are unemployed and you have to pay them something to live, because we're civilised that way, erm, to a degree. Yet some strange people seem to ignore that the "lazy" will exist no matter what, and decide to get pissed at it, because it costs them money. Well, duh, they're a part of the unemployed so whether they want to work or not is irrelevant, the reality is that there are only so many jobs available, hence unemployment. Oh yeah, the amusing thing... those strange people are the very ones who pay for and vote for that cycle to continue. I say amusing, but the irony really is delicious:

http://nyulocal.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/iron-toast.jpg

[mada]

True... it trickles down :blink:

Bridge. Build one. Get on over that thang. The amusing thing is, the lazy will exist forever. They are miniscule in number. Which means that the vast majority of peeps iz willing to work. There will still be those who want to work that are unemployed and you have to pay them something to live, because we're civilised that way, erm, to a degree. Yet some strange people seem to ignore that the "lazy" will exist no matter what, and decide to get pissed at it, because it costs them money. Well, duh, they're a part of the unemployed so whether they want to work or not is irrelevant, the reality is that there are only so many jobs available, hence unemployment. Oh yeah, the amusing thing... those strange people are the very ones who pay for and vote for that cycle to continue. I say amusing, but the irony really is delicious:

mmm toastie

Man that toastie looks yum.

You're spot on...

Norway is a great example of hard work and "leftism" - funny that what we call left here is actually still conservative in Norway. One of the lowest debt to GDP ratios in the world. High tax, free education, good social services, welfare, and nearly half the unemployment rate of us = at only 3.9%. 83.5% of Norwegians own their own homes compared to what in NZ, just over 50%? Not to mention unlike us and the Aussies they saved every dollar they made from selling their resources so now have a global pension fund of $460 billion dollars.

That probably sounds like a shit hole and raw deal to Yokel.

Here's what their "Right Wing" Conservative PM had to say about the Norway way:


"Norway is known for its high levels of equality and living standards relative to other countries in the world. To what extent is this because of the taxation system, and what are the challenges your government faces to maintain these standards?

Low level of inequality is a result of good public schools and free higher education. Both the economist Thomas Piketty and a recent OECD report on inequality clearly state that giving high-quality education to all is essential to efforts to reduce inequality. The more competence and skills workers have, the more capital owners are willing to invest. Our taxation system is important for re-distribution and the financing of social services, but no social benefit can compensate for the lack of necessary skills to succeed in the labor market."

http://thepolitic.org/an-interview-with-erna-solberg-current-prime-minister-of-norway/

Who would've guessed that if you invest in people and value them they would be productive... I mean shit it's not like we do the same thing with kids we raise right?

Who would have guessed that the average Norwegian worker is more than double productive than the kiwi and is top internationally for GDP per hour worked.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_hour_worked

[Brian d marge]

left wing is feminine, that's why left is looney



JK is just a sexual deviant like the rest of us, that's still creepy tho ha

Haha best quote yet

Ive delt with these looneys and trust me

I paid my own way to wellington to meet and talk about student loans
Hotel flights taxi etc
Met david lange
Some guy from napier
And my mp david carter
Our family knows his family rather well
Actually they know us well but we dont get invited
He . Knowing full well what the policy promised
I mean promised and i remember saying to him that i doubted him promise
He agreed with me about all the social effects and ills that would and have befallen society
Made a good point about my fees being 1/4 of the total fee.
.which is a fair point
But chch poly spending 20 k on a set of blinds for the maori building
May have slipped his mind
Oh then adding living costs the year after
Now
Seemed to weaken his argument


If i bought a house on a fixed loan and suddenly the bank says the service fee will double

You would be pissed
And probably take the bank to court
For breach of contract

Couldnt do that with student loans
Oh as for the teachers . . I stood on the picket line with them
The blinds were made of wood so cost a lot and the money had to come from somewhere

So the lying toe rag carter either
Knew and lied
Didnt know and read from party manual . .
Or
Is so dumb shoelaces are a challenge

I suspect the last one

They politicians enter full of ideals . . And eithrt toe the agenda or leave or are forced to leave

Leane daziel is a friend of the family
I know her
But she was removed from the front bench

The reason given is that she is a lyin cheating scumbag

Actually she is is a nice woman who lacks a spine , . .
Doesnt make her bad
She just didnt fit in
And dhe paid the price

Key just epitomises the cream of the crop

Dont get me started on wheeler . .whose boss was


Wolfowitz

And we know what he got up yo dont we children


Stephen

[Brian d marge]

yes dear, cause feeding kids, looking after the environment, building houses and shit is social destructive.

on the other side, running ads in singapore extorting the fact that there is no stamp duty, no land tax and no Capital Gains in NZ is good policy, advertising the fact that the suckers of NZ will spend half of their wages to Singaporian landlords, is awesome policy
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/67975887/property-solutions-singapore-defends-markting-auckland

selling your water to china for a pittance is good policy

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-today/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503462&objectid=11402076


growing more cows in a traditional drought area (while dreaming up bit schemes of irrigation and fuck trout fishing i'ts for loosers anyways) while there is a glut of milk solids and prices are falling faster anyone could say boooo is also good policy

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/rural/271668/drought-tightens-grip-in-north-canterbury

now these are all good policies that will strengthen the social fabric of the country and teach us the value of work, and god n stuff.........

and if it isn't well there is always the option of suicide if everything gets just too fuckn hard

https://agrihq.co.nz/article/farmer-suicide-rates-need-action?p=7

because hey, we might have told ya to take out loans, n buy cows n become a fonterra drone n stuff, but when shit hits the fan you are on yer fuckn own.....cause thats good social policy.



We need more dingbats in this country to save us from the ones that know supposedly better. And in saying that, National has held the Northland seat for how many decades? IF national is so good at everything, how come Northland is not showing the awesome social policies and its rewards? Maybe because other then selling stuff National has no policies?
Good post

I live in rotherham nrth canty
Our iwi has flattened a forest to convert to dairy with fast growing mega irrigated grass
And all the shyt leaching into the wiau river
Well done retards.
We here in japan . .nice people
Can sell our tokyo shoebox and buy yaldhurst
Oh im sorry cantabrians . Cant stump with the cash
And its cash
Oh well ya fked then aye


So at what point will the water become uncomfortable

[Brian d marge]

One of my fave's:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KB5ljM3AJ2c
How come i didnt get a copy of that speech
Sux being out of the loop

[Voltaire]

" Hard work may reward you in the future, Lazy rewards you now" line I saw on the net :lol:

My wife has a pony tail, says JK can pull hers any time....:eek5:

I can see all the middle aged women at the hairdressers now " can you do me a pony tail, going to hang out in Parnell"

[Ocean1]

Norway. One of the lowest debt to GDP ratios in the world. High tax, free education, good social services, welfare, and nearly half the unemployment rate of us = at only 3.9%. 83.5% of Norwegians own their own homes compared to what in NZ, just over 50%? Not to mention unlike us and the Aussies they saved every dollar they made from selling their resources so now have a global pension fund of $460 billion dollars.

That probably sounds like a shit hole and raw deal to Yokel.

Here's what their "Right Wing" Conservative PM had to say about the Norway way:



http://thepolitic.org/an-interview-with-erna-solberg-current-prime-minister-of-norway/

Who would've guessed that if you invest in people and value them they would be productive... I mean shit it's not like we do the same thing with kids we raise right?

Who would have guessed that the average Norwegian worker is more than double productive than the kiwi and is top internationally for GDP per hour worked.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_hour_worked

You really do need to get a handle on this cause and effect thing. Norway can afford high public spending because their citizens are highly productive, not the other way around.

As usual: work first, then spend, not the typical socialist methodology.

[yokel]

" Hard work may reward you in the future, Lazy rewards you now" line I saw on the net :lol:

My wife has a pony tail, says JK can pull hers any time....:eek5:

I can see all the middle aged women at the hairdressers now " can you do me a pony tail, going to hang out in Parnell"

http://www.tricitypsychology.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Cave-man-dragging-woman.jpg

[Voltaire]

You really do need to get a handle on this cause and effect thing. Norway can afford high public spending because their citizens are highly productive, not the other way around.

As usual: work first, then spend, not the typical socialist methodology.

we might be too if 30% of our economy was down to pumping oil out of the ground.
I don't if Norways citizens are much harder working than anywhere else.
Didn't strike me as industrious when I was sidecaring my way to the Arctic Circle in 1991 :wacko:

[mashman]

Man that toastie looks yum.

You're spot on...

Norway is a great example of hard work and "leftism" - funny that what we call left here is actually still conservative in Norway. One of the lowest debt to GDP ratios in the world. High tax, free education, good social services, welfare, and nearly half the unemployment rate of us = at only 3.9%. 83.5% of Norwegians own their own homes compared to what in NZ, just over 50%? Not to mention unlike us and the Aussies they saved every dollar they made from selling their resources so now have a global pension fund of $460 billion dollars.

That probably sounds like a shit hole and raw deal to Yokel.

Here's what their "Right Wing" Conservative PM had to say about the Norway way:

http://thepolitic.org/an-interview-with-erna-solberg-current-prime-minister-of-norway/

Who would've guessed that if you invest in people and value them they would be productive... I mean shit it's not like we do the same thing with kids we raise right?

Who would have guessed that the average Norwegian worker is more than double productive than the kiwi and is top internationally for GDP per hour worked.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_hour_worked

I guess Norway does more to help their people with things like free education. Obviously an old way of doing things, yet it looks as though it works... who woulda thunk it eh.

[mashman]

we might be too if 30% of our economy was down to pumping oil out of the ground.
I don't if Norways citizens are much harder working than anywhere else.
Didn't strike me as industrious when I was sidecaring my way to the Arctic Circle in 1991 :wacko:

Nope. Some country's have a really special breed of people. This is true, because reports say so.

[oldrider]

How come i didnt get a copy of that speech
Sux being out of the loop

Because it was written in Yiddish - translated by AIPAC - actioned and distributed by US congress and financed by US federal reserve - are you in that loop? :sick:

[mashman]

How come i didnt get a copy of that speech
Sux being out of the loop

You had passed out under the barmaid at that time.


Because it was written in Yiddish - translated by AIPAC - actioned and distributed by US congress and financed by US federal reserve - are you in that loop? :sick:

bwaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaa...

[blue rider]

bwhahahahahahahahahahah



http://www.hauraki.co.nz/listen/radio-hauraki-audio-vault/jeremy-wells-like-mike-hosking-rant-john-keys-ponytail-pulling/

[blue rider]

http://www.tricitypsychology.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Cave-man-dragging-woman.jpg


i don't think that the old middle aged ladies with ponytails would give the prime minister really a kick, it seems that he is more after young ponytails

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRcYC3jcaAKBsR2GQRIynA-ONyAVAjuLu4WhW_MbWn_eXRmkNZ1

http://www.stuff.co.nz/content/dam/images/1/4/h/b/9/k/image.related.StuffLandscapeSixteenByNine.620x349. 14h2xn.png/1429758840642.jpg

But then I guess, little girl can not learn early enough that their bodies are public prooperty.

[mada]

we might be too if 30% of our economy was down to pumping oil out of the ground.
I don't if Norways citizens are much harder working than anywhere else.
Didn't strike me as industrious when I was sidecaring my way to the Arctic Circle in 1991 :wacko:

Doubt it. Our economic management would be like Canada's debt-ridden, low tax, fuck all planning for the future, hands off approach if we were pumping out oil like the big players....

All Canada's stats are much more similar to ours - higher unemployment (7+%), lower homeownership rates (67%), lower productivity, high public debt, fuck all savings for the future.

[Voltaire]

Doubt it. Our economic management would be like Canada's debt-ridden, low tax, fuck all planning for the future, hands off approach if we were pumping out oil like the big players....

All Canada's stats are much more similar to ours - higher unemployment (7+%), lower homeownership rates (67%), lower productivity, high public debt, fuck all savings for the future.

True, especially when we have the likes of this moron.
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS-s6wn8UD4mu6Gyplf6u49evvOqBT4PRfXVqGllFb7gmZ4lW0p
Suggest they get someone from Auckland to be minister of housing as this guy has no idea.
Thought the sums would be pretty easy
50 000 immigrants..... might need to build some more houses...we should send them all down to the Tasman Electorate to live.

[puddytat]

i don't think that the old middle aged ladies with ponytails would give the prime minister really a kick, it seems that he is more after young ponytails

But then I guess, little girl can not learn early enough that their bodies are public property.


I reckon he had his first hard on when he was a kid, pulling the neighbouring Girls hair & his first wee masty shortly there after......its stuck with him ever since.
I bet every time that after he's had a wee fondle he heads off for a quick one to the nearest loo, no doubt blaming the coffee.:yes:

[oldrider]

I reckon he had his first hard on when he was a kid, pulling the neighbouring Girls hair & his first wee masty shortly there after......its stuck with him ever since.
I bet every time that after he's had a wee fondle he heads off for a quick one to the nearest loo, no doubt blaming the coffee.:yes:

Plausible true - but one wonders - how do you know about that kind of behaviour? :lol: (Old adage: It takes one to know one!) :rolleyes: sorry - couldn't resist the temptation!

[willytheekid]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/68000611/graham-mccready-lays-complaint-about-police-inaction-over-pms-ponytail-pulling

:facepalm:

Im gonna complain to every organisation that gets its funding from the Govt!:yes:...that'll show em!

Like the POLICE are going to act on this!...when they watch our crim Govt members on TV everyweek practically ADMITTING fraudulent activity and using there positions for personal gain....and they do NOTHING!...not a thing!

[mashman]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/68000611/graham-mccready-lays-complaint-about-police-inaction-over-pms-ponytail-pulling

:facepalm:

Im gonna complain to every organisation that gets its funding from the Govt!:yes:...that'll show em!

Like the POLICE are going to act on this!...when they watch our crim Govt members on TV everyweek practically ADMITTING fraudulent activity and using there positions for personal gain....and they do NOTHING!...not a thing!

You mean bite the hand that feeds you? Are you mad (rhetorical :laugh:)

[Ocean1]

we might be too if 30% of our economy was down to pumping oil out of the ground.
I don't if Norways citizens are much harder working than anywhere else.
Didn't strike me as industrious when I was sidecaring my way to the Arctic Circle in 1991 :wacko:

Oh aye, there's a slice of luck involved in shaping most countries circumstances. Like the luck we have in the ridiculous ease with which we produce sheep and milk.

But the earn first, spend later ethic is a required feature of any successful nation, no matter what they earn, or whatever their luck.

"Investing" in education to the extent the taxpayer used to do returned fuck all economic benefit, if you desperately want to study underwater tourist basket weaving you should probably be paying for it yourself. I have no problem with paying to train anyone in the skills required to grow the country.

[Brian d marge]

You had passed out under the barmaid at that time.



bwaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaa...
Its the best place to be . . . . Back in the day . . . .one would come . . Back from the pub . . . Czech cartoon or open university on tv .somehow i could understand the open university . . . But the czech cartoon . . .was always beyond me then. . . . . a can or two of stones best bitter before heading out again for a kebab

So i might have a chance with this yiddish document for global domination

[mada]

Oh aye, there's a slice of luck involved in shaping most countries circumstances. Like the luck we have in the ridiculous ease with which we produce sheep and milk.

But the earn first, spend later ethic is a required feature of any successful nation, no matter what they earn, or whatever their luck.

"Investing" in education to the extent the taxpayer used to do returned fuck all economic benefit, if you desperately want to study underwater tourist basket weaving you should probably be paying for it yourself. I have no problem with paying to train anyone in the skills required to grow the country.

Pretty sure you will find that the value that the country gets from investing in tertiary education is lot less and the results a lot less productive after the tertiary education sector was deregulated, reformed and introduced to its market ways in the 90s than before when it was tighter controlled but free... the costs just keep ballooning and ballooning.

And those circumstances... we are surrounded by abundance but cant even manage it... instead we'd rather sell it off to Oravida and watch them milk billions from pretty much every productive primary resource from water, kauri, timber, lamb, honey, fruit, dairy farming, land development, to seafood. I see they just appointed Jenny Shipley as a new boardmember.. Good game New Zealanders, we'll all be renters in our own country in no time with nothing left to make a dime from - maybe low wage earning young NZ girls with pony tails will be the last frontier of pillagable resources and commodities left - must be what Key is thinking.

Look at how the government helped Northland out:


Today the Northland Environmental Protection Society released a photo of a rare native orchid where the majority of the world population was wiped out a few months ago by illegal swamp kauri mining.

“This could only happen by illegal digging” says Fiona Furrell, Chairperson on the Northland Environmental Protection Society. “Any wetland with threatened species is protected from drainage and swamp kauri mining and it is up to the Regional Council to enforce this”.

“The Ministry of Primary Industry has been ignoring the law time and again. The Government Agency even gave a milling statement over important wetland areas that had an Environmental Court order to stop all works over it at the time. This is the tip of the iceberg,” she said.

“Illegal swamp kauri trade could be stopped if the Far North District Council, Northland Regional Council and the Ministry of Primary Industries actually did their enforcement work that we pay them to do”, said Mrs Furrell.

At Oravida’s sawmill and stockpiling yard at Ruakaka alone a timber industry insider has recently said there were 80,000 tonnes of swamp kauri. The average price for swamp kauri in New Zealand is $5000-$8000/m3. This means the recent Oravida stockpile is conservatively worth $400,000,000.


There's a reason we needed upgraded roads... probably nothing to do with helping kiwis in the regions out:


“Every day and night trucks with huge swamp kauri logs and stumps are trucked south along State Highway One and 10. Each truckload is worth between $10,000 and over $5 million. Where is the money going?” said Dean Baigent-Mercer, Chairperson of the Far North branch of Forest and Bird.

During the Press political debate this week Prime Minister John Key said that new jobs in Northland would come from ‘exploration and mining’. But mining of swamp kauri has been in full swing, particularly for the last four years and what real advantage has the district seen?”

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/AK1409/S00157/swamp-kauri-mining-pushes-rare-native-orchid-to-extinction.htm

[mashman]

Its the best place to be . . . . Back in the day . . . .one would come . . Back from the pub . . . Czech cartoon or open university on tv .somehow i could understand the open university . . . But the czech cartoon . . .was always beyond me then. . . . . a can or two of stones best bitter before heading out again for a kebab

So i might have a chance with this yiddish document for global domination

Bwaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaa... That Czech cartoon was the test card. You failed the test.

Oh I think so. Don't tell anyone, but it's the Pinky and the Brain script.

[Brian d marge]

Bwaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaa... That Czech cartoon was the test card. You failed the test.

Oh I think so. Don't tell anyone, but it's the Pinky and the Brain script.
No fair they are impossible

https://youtu.be/m9Gy3qVnsj0


Now the test card. . . . . Fapfap fap

[mashman]

No fair they are impossible

https://youtu.be/m9Gy3qVnsj0


Now the test card. . . . . Fapfap fap

Fortunately not infallible either :shifty:

bwaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaa... sick fuck.

[Swoop]

You're mixing this up with the English political scene... the English are always busy tugging boys. Dodgy bastards all.
I think you are confusing them with the catholics...

Agreed about irrigation in Canterbury. In Canterbury, irrigation water mainly drains down into the gravel beds or is evaporated by the hot winds and sun. Bloody looney to try and turn it into a garden...
Canterbury is only good for sheep farming. This fact was known after the turn of the century and the cattle farming scum should be required to source their water from the sky, NOT from rivers.

Our iwi has flattened a forest to convert to dairy with fast growing mega irrigated grass. Well done retards.
Are you calling Maori retards now?

[oldrider]

Canterbury is only good for sheep farming. This fact was known after the turn of the century and the cattle farming scum should be required to source their water from the sky, NOT from rivers.

Hmm OK - but where do you think the rivers get their water from? :confused:

[Brian d marge]

Are you calling Maori retards now?

It just SO happens that these Idiots are Maori

But I shouldn't have needed to spell that out.

[blue rider]

this is very funny for once :)


https://www.facebook.com/SoHoChannel/videos/818195264935293/

John Oliver and his take on the right honorable hair tugger in chief.

but its only him who gets to tug hair in a sport called horsing around.....dear bronagh must cover her hair up, lest the saudis find it tantalising :)

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/68066975/john-key-to-visit-saudi-arabia


Covering up is essential - and when Bronagh Key travels to Riyadh with her husband she will wear an abaya (loose fitting robes) and a headscarf. Michelle Obama famously defied the conservative convention when she visited earlier this year.

"We had a discussion about that. In the end, I think it is a matter of accepting and appreciating their culture... that is just a reflection of respecting their culture," the prime minister said.

"So, yep, Michelle Obama went there and didn't wear the abaya but she did completely cover herself up from the ankles to the wrists."

Bronagh Key paid a visit to Sheikha Fatima bint Mubarak Al Ketbi, mother of Abu Dhabi's Crown Prince, on Sunday. John Key said she would be talking about women's rights.


yes, rejoice, dear Bronagh will wear a bedsheet, and discuss womens rights with with the Mother of the Crown Prince.


file this under :shit ya can't make up, and this is the very bestest prime minister evah.

[Brian d marge]

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/04/27/5ca6a46459aecb175dae8c576adc8720.jpg

Hahahahahahaa

Shitty media can work both ways

[unstuck]

I so want one of these.............


https://scontent-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/1526571_935720099806078_3423677268727364741_n.jpg? oh=19dfe985387fbb337406d49c1413d2c8&oe=55E23BFB

[husaberg]

Agreed about irrigation in Canterbury. Shallow porous soils made up mainly of sand and gravel. They contain little clay or organic matter which is what good soils are composed of because they soak up and retain water. In Canterbury, irrigation water mainly drains down into the gravel beds or is evaporated by the hot winds and sun. Bloody looney to try and turn it into a garden when Waikato, Taranaki, West Coast and Southland etc already have deep rich soils.


I think you are confusing them with the catholics...

Canterbury is only good for sheep farming. This fact was known after the turn of the century and the cattle farming scum should be required to source their water from the sky, NOT from rivers.

Are you calling Maori retards now?

Canterbury's land use change towards Dairy is driven by simple economies.
Sheep farming is simply uneconomic on productive land.
More land is being locked away in NZ with the surrendering of pastoral leases of the High Country

There has been a move to more intensive landuse in all areas of NZ.

I note there has been a similar % move to land use change to lifestyle blocks in Canterbury as the move to Dairy Farming.

The soil in Canterbury build Humus under Irrigation, cropping destroys it.
The high rainfalls in other areas are also not without there own environmental effect with regards to nutrient run off.
Large areas of Southland are totally unsuitable for dairy farming.

What is bloody loonacy to turn large area of NZ most productive farming areas south of Auckland and in the Waikato areas into lifestyle blocks for the horsey sect.

[Grumph]

husa - on your drive through canty, you've obviously missed the encroaching spread of lifestyle blocks here too...post quakes the populace has spread West in large numbers. And i quite agree with the soil here only being a light soil suitable for sheep...Even though I live on one of the few clay pans on the plains...
local to me there are very large areas of what were plantations which the iwi have denuded and broken up into dairy conversions...Which only once the central plains water scheme gets up and running will they be a business proposition. Even then it may be too late as the bottom's dropping out of dairy.
Local enginering co had 10 conversions to work on two years ago. two of the 10 went ahead....Lot of bare land sitting here....

[husaberg]

husa - on your drive through canty, you've obviously missed the encroaching spread of lifestyle blocks here too...post quakes the populace has spread West in large numbers. And i quite agree with the soil here only being a light soil suitable for sheep...Even though I live on one of the few clay pans on the plains...
local to me there are very large areas of what were plantations which the iwi have denuded and broken up into dairy conversions...Which only once the central plains water scheme gets up and running will they be a business proposition. Even then it may be too late as the bottom's dropping out of dairy.
Local enginering co had 10 conversions to work on two years ago. two of the 10 went ahead....Lot of bare land sitting here....

No I haven't missed them in my post I mentioned the change is land use to them is the same percentage wise as the conversions to Dairy.

[Brian d marge]

husa - on your drive through canty, you've obviously missed the encroaching spread of lifestyle blocks here too...post quakes the populace has spread West in large numbers. And i quite agree with the soil here only being a light soil suitable for sheep...Even though I live on one of the few clay pans on the plains...
local to me there are very large areas of what were plantations which the iwi have denuded and broken up into dairy conversions...Which only once the central plains water scheme gets up and running will they be a business proposition. Even then it may be too late as the bottom's dropping out of dairy.
Local enginering co had 10 conversions to work on two years ago. two of the 10 went ahead....Lot of bare land sitting here....
Now being Quite serious now
Responses from actual farmers taken
the soil in Canterbury is not so good In some areas
mono Cultures are hugely wasteful of water
yes; if ya ship milk Solids to china then Monocultures Can pay ; but think of the Trail they leave behind
insects or lack off etc
While horsey lifestyle blocks ain the answer
Many lifestyle block owners plant native trees etc or organic garden
Could small multi cropped units pay ?? and be better for all Concerned including the environment .
.

[husaberg]

Now being Quite serious now
Responses from actual farmers taken
the soil in Canterbury is not so good In some areas
mono Cultures are hugely wasteful of water
yes; if ya ship milk Solids to china then Monocultures Can pay ; but think of the Trail they leave behind
insects or lack off etc
While horsey lifestyle blocks ain the answer
Many lifestyle block owners plant native trees etc or organic garden
Could small multi cropped units pay ?? and be better for all Concerned including the environment .
.

Dairying is a huge source of NZs GDP the other farming land use options in Canterbury generally don't stack up.
Canterbury is generally the most productive dairy farming of all areas of NZ.
Its a simple question of the most economic land use. as an aside small enterprises generally are highly inefficient labour wise.
Simply Canterbury is one of the best palaces in NZ to dairy farm.
Aside From it abundant sources of off farm grazing options and supply to crops and by products.
It also offers the economies of scale and farm layout due to topography.

[Brian d marge]

Dairying is a huge source of NZs GDP the other farming land use options in Canterbury generally don't stack up.
Canterbury is generally the most productive dairy farming of all areas of NZ.
Its a simple question of the most economic land use. as an aside small enterprises generally are highly inefficient labour wise.
Simply Canterbury is one of the best palaces in NZ to dairy farm.
Aside From it abundant sources of off farm grazing options and supply to crops and by products.
It also offers the economies of scale and farm layout due to topography.
Taco bell has recently entered Japan, with prices that have the Americans complaining
The cited (they Taco bell) cited economies of scale

Now the little creatures , the ones that make the whole process tick , have no idea of this economies of scale , or of production efficiencies nor of how bat shyt ugly them is

They just fly around doing good shyt,

So, we must see that one vast sea of non native grass fed with nitrogen ( Im not sure what they use ) and that aquafied water ...or even wiamak water ...that its not exactly in Hamony with its surrounding ...and that aint good because whater ever is excess MUST be going somewhere and causing problems

Conversly those damn forests are non productive green things full of ugly wee creatures that eat shyt and sting people (ok the japanese pay huge dollars to see green trees and whales )

So there must be a balance between growing coffee for cash on a hilltop on kilamanjaro and sustainability ( non sustainability isnt an option in a closed loop system)

No from what I see , these young farmers are quite good at what they do.. but are being hamstrung by something ..my guess is farm prices land etc or by, over asset capitalisation (just a guess)

In the mean time, like my kidney ,or liver not sure which is fked , the land is getting sicker ...and like my liver /kidney its a silent disease...ya wont know untill its well fked ...( when I was younger you could drink from most rivers in NZ ...never heard of Gardia ... what ever that is )

The solution ??? I dont know ..let farmers be farmers within environmental constrains , and use the men from the ministry as the fountain of good practice that doesnt cost shytloads ...how hard can that be..................

Stephen

[husaberg]

Taco bell has recently entered Japan, with prices that have the Americans complaining
The cited (they Taco bell) cited economies of scale

Now the little creatures , the ones that make the whole process tick , have no idea of this economies of scale , or of production efficiencies nor of how bat shyt ugly them is

They just fly around doing good shyt,

So, we must see that one vast sea of non native grass fed with nitrogen ( Im not sure what they use ) and that aquafied water ...or even wiamak water ...that its not exactly in Hamony with its surrounding ...and that aint good because whater ever is excess MUST be going somewhere and causing problems

Conversly those damn forests are non productive green things full of ugly wee creatures that eat shyt and sting people (ok the japanese pay huge dollars to see green trees and whales )

So there must be a balance between growing coffee for cash on a hilltop on kilamanjaro and sustainability ( non sustainability isnt an option in a closed loop system)

No from what I see , these young farmers are quite good at what they do.. but are being hamstrung by something ..my guess is farm prices land etc or by, over asset capitalisation (just a guess)

In the mean time, like my kidney ,or liver not sure which is fked , the land is getting sicker ...and like my liver /kidney its a silent disease...ya wont know untill its well fked ...( when I was younger you could drink from most rivers in NZ ...never heard of Gardia ... what ever that is )

The solution ??? I dont know ..let farmers be farmers within environmental constrains , and use the men from the ministry as the fountain of good practice that doesnt cost shytloads ...how hard can that be..................

Stephen

The introduced grasses are bred in NZ mainly in Canterbury although the old Agrisseds is now Dutch owned we are the best in the world at developing grass.
We are the best in the world at turning this grass into products be it lamb Beef venison or milk products.
Same with the growing of timber only problem is the Pinus Radiata isn't worth the cost of harvesting now it not even including the 25 years to grow it.
All the farming systems in NZ use chemicals and chemical fertilisers.
The fertilisers used on Dairy farms are subject to nutrient models.The use of N is capped.

I take your point re the economies, they are what people are willing to pay.
But the dairy price received here is controlled by overseas auctions.

NZ dairy systems and other farming systems being grass based are actually the most sustainable in the world.
NZ has been very careful to lead the way in best practice with regards to water and to riparian strips planting of water ways bridging etc
In case you haven't noticed also that grass they grow turns C02 into oxygen.;)
The average irrigated pasture turns atmospheric sunlight and C02 into 18000KG/HA of Carbon based dry matter which is then efficiently turned into products.
Organics will unfortunately not feed the worlds population no mater how noble it appears to be.

Regrettably a lot of farmers are being pushed into unsustainable farming systems reliant on high levels of marginal brought in feed inputs and high prices.
These high input systems are being pushed by people that sell the systems and machinery and infrastructure such as indoor housing the latest downturn will I guess sort the wheat from the chaff.
Most farmers are not greedy, they do however need to make a living.
The returns in real terms have greatly slipped in the last 50 years yet the consumers cost has greatly risen. (the middle and the supermarkets are making the huge margins here)
They used to make a good living out of 60 cows in the 50's but now need 350 simply to tread water.
The real reason is also partly subsidies and tariffs that the UE and the USA and Japan have in place to protect their own unsustainable agriculture.

Irrigation is not a bad thing as long as the water is managed, note those pesky farmers have consents for its use, and they pay for it too, they are have restrictions placed on its use in shortages.
While I feel for the salmon and trout fisherman who enjoy the hobby of fishing both of these fish species are introduced and are hobbies.
Also the Gardia needs humans to complete its life cycle don't entirely blame the animals.

[Grumph]

Dairying is a huge source of NZs GDP the other farming land use options in Canterbury generally don't stack up.
Canterbury is generally the most productive dairy farming of all areas of NZ.
Its a simple question of the most economic land use. as an aside small enterprises generally are highly inefficient labour wise.
Simply Canterbury is one of the best palaces in NZ to dairy farm.
Aside From it abundant sources of off farm grazing options and supply to crops and by products.
It also offers the economies of scale and farm layout due to topography.

If you actually ask canterbury farmers - and the people working in the support industries - what you'll get is a roll of the eyes and a deep sigh...
The dairying is being govt led - not generally farmer led. It's well appreciated by those who live here that the infrastructure to support dairying is lagging. The farm expansion came first and only then were the roads looked at for instance. those long straight roads here were built for light weights. In Selwyn we are paying a roading rate which was supposed to be a short term fix but looks like being permanent now as govt is reluctant to come to the party...
The Central plains water scheme is not popular with people whose land has been taken and who like me live down hill from a ferkin big canal...
The gravel based soils drain very well, yes, but where to ? How many years before the superb drinking water ChCh enjoys is undrinkable ? The aquifers aren't very deep on the plains.
As an aside, the last time i was in hospital there was a dairy farmer from springston in my room. freely admitted he was on antidepressants and so close to being put off his farm it wasn't funny....

Oh, and due to the grass grub infestation of the 70's and 80's, DDT levels are still too high in a lot of areas to allow dairying anyway.

[unstuck]

Years ago I worked for an outfit called Topoclimate and we did soil mapping of the whole of the Southland and west otago areas, and found that most of the soil types were not suitable for intensive dairying due to the likely hood of compaction problems. These findings were made available to council and other local body agencies, but still they went ahead and handed out resource consents for intensive dairying operations. Now some of these farms are finding that the pugging and effluent run off due to compaction is going to cost them lots of money and environmental issues. But the banks and council are happy, because the books look good.:weird:

[husaberg]

If you actually ask canterbury farmers - and the people working in the support industries - what you'll get is a roll of the eyes and a deep sigh...
The dairying is being govt led - not generally farmer led. It's well appreciated by those who live here that the infrastructure to support dairying is lagging. The farm expansion came first and only then were the roads looked at for instance. those long straight roads here were built for light weights. In Selwyn we are paying a roading rate which was supposed to be a short term fix but looks like being permanent now as govt is reluctant to come to the party...
The Central plains water scheme is not popular with people whose land has been taken and who like me live down hill from a ferkin big canal...
The gravel based soils drain very well, yes, but where to ? How many years before the superb drinking water ChCh enjoys is undrinkable ? The aquifers aren't very deep on the plains.
As an aside, the last time i was in hospital there was a dairy farmer from springston in my room. freely admitted he was on antidepressants and so close to being put off his farm it wasn't funny....

Oh, and due to the grass grub infestation of the 70's and 80's, DDT levels are still too high in a lot of areas to allow dairying anyway.

Dairying is not government driven it is driven by being the best returns, So at best driven by the banks.
The farms are sold because the farm is either uneconomic or the farmer is going to retire.
The system of succession passing the farm on to the next generation is no longer commonly happening as frequently as the farmer has not made the same amount of money from farming but has had to rely on capital gains in land price.
If the economies were there to continue the land use then the land use would not change.

Unfortunately the roads will only get worse as the levies from the road user charges are not going to the councils now.
If sheep farmers could afford irrigation they would do it. as for depressing look at the returns for wool and long term for lamb.

Re the DDT only problem there is if those soils were as porous as everyone is making them out to be it should would be in your water by now.
The DDT was however driven by the government farm advisors it used to be spread with the Superphospate.
As for the Plains aquifers not being deep really 70 meters is deep, My old place was only about 2.5 meters and pure as te driven snow and my new place is 7.6 meters and full of iron.
Water schemes are generally not that popular with those affected by them weather they be for power generation or for irrigation anyway.
But Canterbury has a long history of them.

[husaberg]

Years ago I worked for an outfit called Topoclimate and we did soil mapping of the whole of the Southland and west otago areas, and found that most of the soil types were not suitable for intensive dairying due to the likely hood of compaction problems. These findings were made available to council and other local body agencies, but still they went ahead and handed out resource consents for intensive dairying operations. Now some of these farms are finding that the pugging and effluent run off due to compaction is going to cost them lots of money and environmental issues. But the banks and council are happy, because the books look good.:weird:

Was that the one that used the tiny tags matchbox's sized recorder that recorded the climate as well that was a great little scheme?
That was a bit late but the council did not approve some areas without consent conditions from memory.

[Grumph]

Local to me and downhill to the SW most wells are only 3.5 - 4 meters deep....
The deep ones are mainly toward the high banks of the Rakaia and Waimak.

[unstuck]

Was that the one that used the tiny tags matchbox's sized recorder that recorded the climate as well that was a great little scheme?
That was a bit late but the council did not approve some areas without consent conditions from memory.

Yep, the data loggers were stationary climate monitors, that took readings every hour. We had the job of physically taking soil samples on every farm in a grid pattern usually a couple of hundred meters apart, and meter square holes every couple of kms. Was a good way to see a Southland that not many people got to see.
There was one area that the council decided they were not going to issue consents for at the time (late 90's) because of the environmental impact implications.
But lo and behold, the area is now getting converted at a steady pace, and the eels and trout are gone within the last couple of years.:wacko:

Tis where I got the nickname unstuck too.:whistle:

[Ocean1]

Oh, and due to the grass grub infestation of the 70's and 80's, DDT levels are still too high in a lot of areas to allow dairying anyway.

I take it they did eventually fix the grass grub problem? How?

[husaberg]

I take it they did eventually fix the grass grub problem? How?

Porina which is a moth caterpillar which was what most of the DDT was used for here. Is controlled generally by a biological spray that stops it molting it works.
http://www.nufarm.co.nz/NZ/Dimilin2L
Grass grub which is a beetle larvae is killed the old fashioned way with a chemical that is an organophosphate insecticide.
Landcorp were doing a project to find another way in Westport a few years ago.

Funny enough they effect dry paddocks more than wet ones

[Swoop]

It just SO happens that these Idiots are Maori

But I shouldn't have needed to spell that out.
But.. "questioning" Maori? In this country??
Sheer madness. They know how to do everything correctly!

Hmm OK - but where do you think the rivers get their water from? :confused:
So, dairy farmers taking massive quantities of water out of the rivers is ok? To the detriment of the river, the fish life, the anglers, tourism, and everyone else who uses the resource, just so some tit-pullers can attempt to get some grass growing on soil that isn't suited to it.

[unstuck]

So, dairy farmers taking massive quantities of water out of the rivers is ok? To the detriment of the river, the fish life, the anglers, tourism, and everyone else who uses the resource, just so some tit-pullers can attempt to get some grass growing on soil that isn't suited to it.

Yep, according to the Southland district council, the income generated far outways all those other MINOR concerns. If you feel interested enough, look into the Athol and 5 rivers water resource debate. When I say debate, what I really mean is the council can do whatever the fuck they want and if you do not like it you can go fuck yourself.:whistle:

And then maybe check out Wilkins farming ltd, the one Donna lofhagen married into, and see if you can find a connection between her appearance, her family connection with the council, and the Wilkins operation been given SPECIAL permits for water and gravel from the eyre, acton and mataura rivers.:msn-wink:

[Luckylegs]

...or that Katie Bradford should not have been a journalist in the first place because of her mother.

Having seen and heard her mother, I'm surprised Katie exists at all!!

[oldrider]

Hmm OK - but where do you think the rivers get their water from? :confused:


So, dairy farmers taking massive quantities of water out of the rivers is ok? To the detriment of the river, the fish life, the anglers, tourism, and everyone else who uses the resource, just so some tit-pullers can attempt to get some grass growing on soil that isn't suited to it.

Er - I didn't actually say that was OK! - I was simply drawing attention to where we all get out fresh water from initially - rain! - Some of that is even polluted!

[husaberg]

But.. "questioning" Maori? In this country??
Sheer madness. They know how to do everything correctly!

So, dairy farmers taking massive quantities of water out of the rivers is ok? To the detriment of the river, the fish life, the anglers, tourism, and everyone else who uses the resource, just so some tit-pullers can attempt to get some grass growing on soil that isn't suited to it.

Not just dairy farmers use irrigation.
The levels at which water intakes are set to be draw down to are set by the council not the irrigation users.
The recreational fisherman debate is a crap one Fishing is a hobby the commercial guides and tourism from recreational angling bring into NZ economy about the same as a few dairy farms.
The soils are not the reason for irrigation, the lack of rainfall is.
Lastly the Cows actually arrived in NZ about 50 years before the trout did.;)

[unstuck]

The soils are not the reason for irrigation, the lack of rainfall is.


Maybe the dairy farmers should fuck off to places with more rainfall then, like the west coast.:2thumbsup

[husaberg]

Maybe the dairy farmers should fuck off to places with more rainfall then, like the west coast.:2thumbsup

Sure if only we could get rid of that 85% national park we could fit a few more in.
I would say the West Coast is about 90% Dairy now.
Just as an aside we actually have quite a few Centre pivots now and more farms are irrigated than not in the upper Grey Valley.
Us Coasters have also opened a dairy factory in Canterbury to tap into cheap Canterbury land.

[Brian d marge]

Dairying is not government driven it is driven by being the best returns, So at best driven by the banks.
The farms are sold because the farm is either uneconomic or the farmer is going to retire.
The system of succession passing the farm on to the next generation is no longer commonly happening as frequently as the farmer has not made the same amount of money from farming but has had to rely on capital gains in land price.
If the economies were there to continue the land use then the land use would not change.

Unfortunately the roads will only get worse as the levies from the road user charges are not going to the councils now.
If sheep farmers could afford irrigation they would do it. as for depressing look at the returns for wool and long term for lamb.

Re the DDT only problem there is if those soils were as porous as everyone is making them out to be it should would be in your water by now.
The DDT was however driven by the government farm advisors it used to be spread with the Superphospate.
As for the Plains aquifers not being deep really 70 meters is deep, My old place was only about 2.5 meters and pure as te driven snow and my new place is 7.6 meters and full of iron.
Water schemes are generally not that popular with those affected by them weather they be for power generation or for irrigation anyway.
But Canterbury has a long history of them.
So the cost of farming. .... the overheads are rising possibly due to higher land prices driven by Zero interest or cashed up foreigners and equipment to meet rules and Regs
P/e Ratio of the different farms would be interesting . - -
In order to meet overheads a non sustainable farming Model is the most effective method ... ?
It's Interesting to note the Same old boogie men come up again and again . . . Banks and the government and to a greater or lesser degree the Council

lots of food for thought

[unstuck]

Sure if only we could get rid of that 85% national park we could fit a few more in.
I would say the West Coast is about 90% Dairy now.


Luckily they are all north of fox, I have some good saws, maybe we could make a start on decreasing the size of the park. There would be some good firewood in there.:2thumbsup

[husaberg]

So the cost of farming. .... the overheads are rising possibly due to higher land prices driven by Zero interest or cashed up foreigners and equipment to meet rules and Regs
P/e Ratio of the different farms would be interesting . - -
In order to meet overheads a non sustainable farming Model is the most effective method ... ?
It's Interesting to note the Same old boogie men come up again and again . . . Banks and the government and to a greater or lesser degree the Council

lots of food for thought

Overheads are rising with compliance and margins by retailers and dividing up the single seller plus having to compete with susidies and tariffs.
The land price drives the use of the land as it gets more expensive other forms of farming don't stack up with the required returns.
The farming is sustainable conversely organics is unsustainable.
We supply 35% of the worlds internationally traded Dairy products.

[blue rider]

ouch
http://liberation.typepad.com/liberation/2015/04/cartoons-and-images-of-ponytailgate-glucinagate.html

cartoon and images of the last couple of days

[Brian d marge]

Overheads are rising with compliancece and margins by retailers and dividing up the single seller plus having to compete with susidies and tariffs.
The land price drives the use of the land as it gets more expensive other forms of farming don't stack up with the required returns.
The farming is sustainable conversely organics is unsustainable.
We supply 35% of the worlds internationally traded Dairy products.
I remember a tv show
or Radio show where Some SKUMMY hippys and a farmer went head to head growing cotton
the farmer won of coarse
But
Ive always felt that the comp was well wrong
kinda like 2 Weight lifters
one on Modern steroids
the other healthy diet
now if the hippies Could had have a Perma Culture which is how nature is supposed to work anyway they may have won.
There are some very Successful farmers operating under a Perma Culture system . - - - The land is a Success very Well done in fact
not So sure about the bank Mangers point of View though

[husaberg]

I remember a tv show
or Radio show where Some SKUMMY hippys and a farmer went head to head growing cotton
the farmer won of coarse
But
Ive always felt that the comp was well wrong
kinda like 2 Weight lifters
one on Modern steroids
the other healthy diet
now if the hippies Could had have a Perma Culture which is how nature is supposed to work anyway they may have won.
There are some very Successful farmers operating under a Perma Culture system . - - - The land is a Success very Well done in fact
not So sure about the bank Mangers point of View though

If it produced better margins more would be doing it organics and permaculture are a healthy niche until it becomes the norm that is, Supply and demand.
There is a lot to be said for both living and operating within your sustainable means.
Trouble is without sustainable profits there will be no more farmers, Its pretty hard to feed yourself let alone the world on capital gains alone.

[Ocean1]

If it produced better margins more would be doing it organics and permaculture are a healthy niche until it becomes the norm that is, Supply and demand.
There is a lot to be said for both living and operating within your sustainable means.
Trouble is without sustainable profits there will be no more farmers, Its pretty hard to feed yourself let alone the world on capital gains alone.

Aye. To some extent most of the various flavours of environmentalism are, at heart simply vehicles for misanthropy.

And whatever the driving factors, let's have some more of the same, eh?: http://ourworldindata.org/data/food-agriculture/food-prices/

[MisterD]

cartoon and images of the last couple of days

Hilarious, the usual deranged lefties have piled in en masse...and National go up in the polls. :laugh:

[Brian d marge]

Aye. To some extent most of the various flavours of environmentalism are, at heart simply vehicles for misanthropy.

And whatever the driving factors, let's have some more of the same, eh?: http://ourworldindata.org/data/food-agriculture/food-prices/
Lots good info in that site if ya dig

[Brian d marge]

If it produced better margins more would be doing it organics and permaculture are a healthy niche until it becomes the norm that is, Supply and demand.
There is a lot to be said for both living and operating within your sustainable means.
Trouble is without sustainable profits there will be no more farmers, Its pretty hard to feed yourself let alone the world on capital gains alone.
From an old hippy friend of mine . . .organic farmer . . Large scale until her heart attack now she grows lavender from her quad bike and at 75 shes she shows no sign of slowing down
. ,
Any hooo her opinion . .,
Snip
Sounds like the Christmas Grouch without any real knowledge or experience of organics. Its been proven.The more organics gets established the more economic it becomes. Sustainability, soil life and health, can be projected further and further into the future for future generations. The more there is a consumer/producer relationship so there comes an understanding of an honest day's pay for an honest day's work. It costs about the same per acre to exhaust and poison the land as it does to farm organically. The unsustainable farmer spends and spends on artificial fertilizers and poisonous sprays. At first the organic grower uses more labour and pays to get useful cycles established. As time goes on the crops become more and more productive so increasingly profitable returns can be projected to exceed our 'artificial' equivalent grower. But all this and much more has been proven time and time again. There are flat earthers still. There are many who get a sort of life out of denying climate change. There are those who, in a superior way, outline organics as 'unsustainable'. Or taking charge demand proof. That is not my job. My job is to tell about what a wonderful life working in various ways in organics is. Just reminder; men in urban environments around the world like in places like London and Auckland have half the sperm count of a generation ago. Men on organic farms have twice the number of wrigglers with them being twice as healthy. So where is all the pollution going to? Straight to your ..... So good luck with that.

[Winston001]

I'm picking this Ponytail fiasco is the final straw for John Key. Its ironic that such a banal and insignificant story could lead to a Prime Minister chucking in his job but politics is a strange place. Perception is all. Helen Clark was widely castigated over the Paintergate saga when all she did was help out to support a charity. Unfair but we are a fickle public.

My guess is the PM and Bronagh have had a serious talk and decided there are better ways to enjoy life than being questioned about ponytails. His own fault: however compare him to Len Brown and the filthy Silvio Berlusconi, both of whom refused to resign.

Anyway I reckon a few weeks will pass while the senior Nats scrabble about and then he'll resign.

[friday]

Roger Douglas fell back into parliament simply to get GST up to 15% and what ever other tax avoidance laws thru, then he left , no reason to be there.

John Lazar is in there to open this place up and then hell leave , no other reason to be there .

chinese have bought large tracts of land , dairy farms and forestry to make profit . they need water so Gov has to deliver

all those trees going over seas is our top soil . the chinese dont need nz farmers , nz milk or nz meat , they have their own right here in nz.

reminds me of pete mcD in te puke who sold off kiwi fruit plants over seas , out come was they grew their own and nz kiwi took a dive.

labour in the 1980s ditched the Treason laws so that they could sell off state assets = legalised larceny

we dont vote governments in , we only vote for representitives . public servants whoever and how ever many have got "jobs" for life and those bastards dont get voted in

ahhhh rant .......

[Brian d marge]

I'm picking this Ponytail fiasco is the final straw for John Key. Its ironic that such a banal and insignificant story could lead to a Prime Minister chucking in his job but politics is a strange place. Perception is all. Helen Clark was widely castigated over the Paintergate saga when all she did was help out to support a charity. Unfair but we are a fickle public.

My guess is the PM and Bronagh have had a serious talk and decided there are better ways to enjoy life than being questioned about ponytails. His own fault: however compare him to Len Brown and the filthy Silvio Berlusconi, both of whom refused to resign.

Anyway I reckon a few weeks will pass while the senior Nats scrabble about and then he'll resign.
Tis what I said in another post in another forum a while back

I wonder who the next prime minister will be
I mean you want someone who toes the line follows American go outside interests or Chinese interests

You probably get lots of rhetoric about time for the people and we've got to reduce the debt and then when they get in hello company with money how high should I jump

I wonder what the media spin on the next government will be

[Brian d marge]

Roger Douglas fell back into parliament simply to get GST up to 15% and what ever other tax avoidance laws thru, then he left , no reason to be there.

John Lazar is in there to open this place up and then hell leave , no other reason to be there .

chinese have bought large tracts of land , dairy farms and forestry to make profit . they need water so Gov has to deliver

all those trees going over seas is our top soil . the chinese dont need nz farmers , nz milk or nz meat , they have their own right here in nz.

reminds me of pete mcD in te puke who sold off kiwi fruit plants over seas , out come was they grew their own and nz kiwi took a dive.

labour in the 1980s ditched the Treason laws so that they could sell off state assets = legalised larceny

we dont vote governments in , we only vote for representitives . public servants whoever and how ever many have got "jobs" for life and those bastards dont get voted in

ahhhh rant .......
Not just Chinese but cash. Brits I mean if you've got a house in London you could sell that for a pretty penny New Zealand here I come

[Winston001]

chinese have bought large tracts of land , dairy farms and forestry to make profit . they need water so Gov has to deliver

all those trees going over seas is our top soil . the chinese dont need nz farmers , nz milk or nz meat , they have their own right here in nz.

Not just the Chinese. Australians, Americans and British people are buying up NZ land. The Harvard Pension fund owns at least 5 farms in Otago.



reminds me of pete mcD in te puke who sold off kiwi fruit plants over seas , out come was they grew their own and nz kiwi took a dive.



Yeah. Agreed.

I could never fathom why Kiwis were selling Kiwifruit, apple stock, and our best cattle to China, India and Israel etc. A bloody good way to cut yourself out of business.

[oldrider]

Roger Douglas fell back into parliament simply to get GST up to 15% and what ever other tax avoidance laws thru, then he left , no reason to be there.

John Lazar is in there to open this place up and then hell leave , no other reason to be there .

chinese have bought large tracts of land , dairy farms and forestry to make profit . they need water so Gov has to deliver

all those trees going over seas is our top soil . the chinese dont need nz farmers , nz milk or nz meat , they have their own right here in nz.

reminds me of pete mcD in te puke who sold off kiwi fruit plants over seas , out come was they grew their own and nz kiwi took a dive.

labour in the 1980s ditched the Treason laws so that they could sell off state assets = legalised larceny

we dont vote governments in , we only vote for representitives . public servants whoever and how ever many have got "jobs" for life and those bastards dont get voted in

ahhhh rant .......

The only power the NZ electorate has is to vote governments OUT - we do not vote them IN the politicians do that themselves - we simply give them our consent!

[friday]

Public servants !!

I cant remember the last time I gave them a pay rise or how much ......... my true intentions is to put them on zero hours but it doesnt seem to pan out that way .

[awa355]

Today.
http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w420/awa355/COLLINS.jpg

[Banditbandit]

https://fmacskasy.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/those-are-my-principles-demotivational-poster-1245781577.jpg

[gjm]

Has anyone directly asked JK why the NZ government are considering a change of flag?

And if so, did anyone get a straight answer?

[pete376403]

Because its a really good diversion from all the things that really should be concerning the people, such as the TPPA?

[oldrider]

Because its a really good diversion from all the things that really should be concerning the people, such as the TPPA?

Correct - a circus of diversion - emotion at the cost of reality! - slight of hand - magic - bullshit - what cung foo dat? = TPPA - their way! :scratch: :thud:

[mada]

Correct - a circus of diversion - emotion at the cost of reality! - slight of hand - magic - bullshit - what cung foo dat? = TPPA - their way! :scratch: :thud:

That and how they and their family members ride roughshed over our laws... many of whom would be losing a hand or two if they were in Saudi Arabia.

[carbonhed]

That and how they and their family members ride roughshed over our laws... many of whom would be losing a hand or two if they were in Saudi Arabia.

:facepalm: Most of the Labour caucus would be tossed off tall buildings in the Middle East. Where is that ginger minger Darren Hughes these days? Did he wash up on the shores of the UN too?

Have you noticed that the more furiously you fuckwits beat off in your collective circle jerk the worse you do in the polls? Little Andy is now doing worse than Shearer and Cuntliffe. Labour is back below 30% and former National Party stalwart Winston Peters is defacto leader of the opposition. Bravo! It must be those titanic interlecks that Banditbandit is always claiming that's doing it for you. Stay in the bubble.

[oldrider]

:facepalm: Most of the Labour caucus would be tossed off tall buildings in the Middle East. Where is that ginger minger Darren Hughes these days? Did he wash up on the shores of the UN too?

Have you noticed that the more furiously you fuckwits beat off in your collective circle jerk the worse you do in the polls? Little Andy is now doing worse than Shearer and Cuntliffe. Labour is back below 30% and former National Party stalwart Winston Peters is defacto leader of the opposition. Bravo! It must be those titanic interlecks that Banditbandit is always claiming that's doing it for you. Stay in the bubble.

They only do it because we (the electorate) are (collectively) too stupid to stop them! :mellow:

[blue rider]

and there were some state houses, and with the stroke of a mighty pen they were private houses.....



30 April, 2015

Ownership and management of 2800 state houses will be transferred to an Auckland redevelopment company, as the Government moves to offload some of its massive stock of housing in Auckland.

The houses will be transferred to the Tamaki Redevelopment Company (TRC), "to encourage regeneration", said Finance Minister Bill English and Building and Housing Minister Nick Smith in an announcement on Thursday.

English said the Government owned one in 16 houses in Auckland.

http://robinwestenra.blogspot.co.nz/2015/05/state-houses-being-transferred-to.html

TAMAKI REDEVELOPMENT COMPANY LIMITED


Free Companies Office search - who do you need to check on
NZ Company Director
The following information is provided by the New Zealand Companies Office. If you find or believe it is incorrect, please contact them at http://www.companies.govt.nz.
Criteria Detail
Legal Name TAMAKI REDEVELOPMENT COMPANY LIMITED
Company Number 3937662
Status Registered
Date of Incorporation 2012-08-06

Annual Return Filing Date March
Registered Office 2014-04-04 - 244 Apirana Avenue Glen Innes Auckland,1072 New Zealand
Address for Communication 2014-03-17 - 244 Apirana Avenue Glen Innes Auckland,1072 New Zealand
Address for Service 2014-03-25 - 244 Apirana Avenue Glen Innes Auckland,1072 New Zealand
Director 1 David John SAX [ Directorships ] [ Full Search ]
6 Omana Avenue Epsom Auckland,1023
Appointed: 2012-12-20
Director 2 Brian Patrick DONNELLY [ Directorships ] [ Full Search ]
24 Marywil Crescent Northcote Auckland,0627
Appointed: 2012-12-20
Director 3 Christopher Martin UDALE [ Directorships ] [ Full Search ]
16b Burleigh Street Grafton Auckland,1023
Appointed: 2012-12-20
Director 4 Susan Carrell MACKEN [ Directorships ] [ Full Search ]
24 Wiles Avenue Remuera Auckland,1050
Appointed: 2012-12-20
Director 5 Soana Akolotu PAMAKA [ Directorships ] [ Full Search ]
47a Torino Street Point England Auckland,1072
Appointed: 2012-12-20
Director 6 Anne CANDY [ Directorships ] [ Full Search ]
9 Tington Avenue Wattle Downs Auckland,2103
Appointed: 2012-12-20
Director 7 Eru Reweti LYNDON [ Directorships ] [ Full Search ]
14a Miller Street Point Chevalier Auckland,1022
Appointed: 2012-12-20

Total Number of Shares 1000
Shareholder 1 410 shares
COUNCIL, Auckland: Civic Building, 1 Greys Avenue Auckland,1010 New Zealand
Appointed: 2012-12-20

Shareholder 2 295 shares
ENGLISH, Minister Of Finance Hon Bill: Executive Wing Parliament Buildings Wellington,6160 New Zealand
Appointed: 2012-12-20
Shareholder 3 295 shares

SMITH, Minister Of Building And Housing Hon Dr Nick: Executive Wing Parliament Buildings Wellington,6160 New Zealand
Appointed: 2012-12-20

Well some are laughing all the way to the bank in this booming auckland housing market. No wonder this current government does not want to do anything to help deflate the market in Auckland, it would hurt their bottom line. I guess it is their just reward for being pigs at the trough. Or thiefs. Or what evs.

i espescially like this comment


The TRC is jointly owned by the Government and Auckland Council.

Mr English said the company plans to build 7500 new houses in the place of the 2500 existing ones in the next 10 to 15 years.

More than half of the new houses would be sold and the remainder would be retained as social housing.

The Government last week approved a $200 million loan available to TRC to accelerate its work in Tamaki.

Housing Minister Dr Nick Smith said it was "abundantly clear" the Government was serious about seeing action in Tamaki.

A business case will be developed by the Government, Auckland Council and the TRC in coming moths to look at how future developments would work, he said."

Change has been slow to come to Tamaki but we are determined for the next decade in Tamaki to look very different to the decade past," he said.

"This is about giving TRC the tools it needs to develop the homes on-site to make a difference to people with high housing needs."

it appears that the Government is now represented by Bill English and Nick Smith....as they are the shareholder next to Auckland Council.

Ahhh, corruption, it feels so good when done by National and the good ole boys. At least they don't tell one what showerhead to use, and one can go drink beer with them. Suckers.

[Brian d marge]

:facepalm: Most of the Labour caucus would be tossed off tall buildings in the Middle East. Where is that ginger minger Darren Hughes these days? Did he wash up on the shores of the UN too?

Have you noticed that the more furiously you fuckwits beat off in your collective circle jerk the worse you do in the polls? Little Andy is now doing worse than Shearer and Cuntliffe. Labour is back below 30% and former National Party stalwart Winston Peters is defacto leader of the opposition. Bravo! It must be those titanic interlecks that Banditbandit is always claiming that's doing it for you. Stay in the bubble.

Ya might want to look at the bigger picture ........


They only do it because we (the electorate) are (collectively) too stupid to stop them! :mellow:


:argue:


Due to the shyt they are fed .....

[mada]

:facepalm: Most of the Labour caucus would be tossed off tall buildings in the Middle East. Where is that ginger minger Darren Hughes these days? Did he wash up on the shores of the UN too?

Have you noticed that the more furiously you fuckwits beat off in your collective circle jerk the worse you do in the polls? Little Andy is now doing worse than Shearer and Cuntliffe. Labour is back below 30% and former National Party stalwart Winston Peters is defacto leader of the opposition. Bravo! It must be those titanic interlecks that Banditbandit is always claiming that's doing it for you. Stay in the bubble.

To be honest, pretty sure we have the same shit happening here that has been happening in the UK with members from both sides (labour/nats) using their power to break the law and doing what they want.

The reason I hate on National - they are currently in power and claimed during Helen's reign they "would bring standards and transparency to govt.":yes:

[oldrider]

The reason I hate on National - they are currently in power and claimed during Helen's reign they "would bring standards and transparency to govt.":yes:

Well - they have - you and all of their other critics claim to be able to see right through them - how transparent is that? - :lol: - (they are only front men anyway)

[Banditbandit]

it must be those titanic interlecks that banditbandit is always claiming that's doing it for you. Stay in the bubble.

wtf ????




(+10)

[MisterD]

Because its a really good diversion from all the things that really should be concerning the people, such as the TPPA?

Nope, it's simpler than that, it's a trophy for Key's poolroom. If he can't be the first MMP Prime Minister to win 4 terms, he has a back up to be remembered as the PM that changed the flag.

[Brian d marge]

Nope, it's simpler than that, it's a trophy for Key's poolroom. If he can't be the first MMP Prime Minister to win 4 terms, he has a back up to be remembered as the PM that changed the flag.
Actually thats probably closer than u think remember hes a physco

[pete376403]

Robert Reich (former US Secretary of Labo(u)r), on the TPPA. Not just bad for NZ.

Trans Pacific Trickle-Down Economics
By Robert Reich, Robert Reich's Blog

03 May 15


ave we learned nothing from thirty years of failed trickle-down economics?

By now we should know that when big corporations, Wall Street, and the wealthy get special goodies, the rest of us get shafted.

The Reagan and George W. Bush tax cuts of 1981, 2001, and 2003, respectively, were sold to America as ways to boost the economy and create jobs.

They ended up boosting the take-home pay of those at the top. Most Americans saw no gains.

In fact, the long stagnation of American wages began with Reaganomics. Wages rose a bit under Bill Clinton, and then started plummeting again under George W. Bush.

Trickle-down economics proved a cruel hoax. The new jobs created under Reagan and George W. Bush paid lousy wages, the old jobs paid even less, and we ended up with whopping federal budget deficits.

Then came the bailout of Wall Street in 2008. It was sold as the means of preserving the economy.

It ended up preserving the jobs and exorbitant pay of bankers, but millions of Americans lost their shirts. Small savers were wiped out, and homeowners never got the refinancing they were promised.

No conditions were put on the Wall Street banks for what they were supposed to do for the rest of us in return for our bailing them out. None of their top executives even went to jail for causing the crash in the first place.

Here again, nothing trickled down.

Now comes the Trans Pacific Partnership.

It’s being sold as a way to boost the U.S. economy, expand exports, and contain China’s widening economic influence.

In fact, it’s just more trickle-down economics.

The biggest beneficiaries would be giant American-based global corporations, along with their executives and major shareholders.

Those giant corporations initiated the deal in the first place, their lobbyists helped craft it behind closed doors, and they’re the ones who have been pushing hard for it in Congress – dangling campaign contributions in front of congressional supporters and threatening to cut off funding to opponents.

These corporations made sure the deal contains provisions expanding and protecting their intellectual property around the world, but not protecting American jobs.

Supporters of the deal say it contains worker protections. I heard the same thing when, as secretary of labor, I was supposed to implement the worker protections in the North American Free Trade Act.

I discovered such provisions are unenforceable because of how difficult it is to discover if other nations are abiding by them. On the rare occasion when we found evidence of a breach we had no way to force the other nation to remedy it anyway.

The Trans Pacific Partnership is far larger than NAFTA – covering 40 percent of America’s global trade.

If it’s enacted, American workers and consumers will be made even worse off because of another provision that allows global corporations to sue countries whose health, safety, labor, or environmental regulations crimp their corporate profits.

It establishes a tribunal outside any nation’s legal system that can force a nation to reimburse global corporations for any such “losses.”

Big tobacco is already using an identical provision to sue developing nations that are trying to get their populations off nicotine. The tobacco companies are demanding these nations compensate them for lost cigarette sales.

This provision would mean less protection from corporate harms here in America. It would require that when the potential cost of a new health, safety, environment, or labor protection is weighed against its potential benefits, the cost of reimbursing corporations for lost profits is added in.

I’ve been through enough regulatory wars to know this added cost could easily tip the balance against protection.

The arguments in favor of the deal aren’t credible. The notion that the Trans Pacific Partnership will spark American exports doesn’t hold because the deal does nothing to prevent other nations from manipulating their currencies in order to boost their own exports.

The argument that the deal will help contain China makes even less sense.

Does anyone seriously believe American-based corporations will put the interest of the United States above the interests of their own shareholders when it comes to doing whatever China demands to gain access to that lucrative market?

Big American-based corporations have been cozying up to China for years – giving China whatever American technology China wants, letting China “partner” with them in designing new generations of technology, and allowing China to censor their software and digital platforms – all in exchange for a crack at Chinese consumers.

What we should have learned by now about trickle-down economics is that nothing trickles down.

If the Trans Pacific Partnership is enacted, big corporations, Wall Street, and their top executives and shareholders will make out like bandits. Who will the bandits be stealing from? The rest of us.

[carbonhed]

it appears that the Government is now represented by Bill English and Nick Smith....as they are the shareholder next to Auckland Council.

Ahhh, corruption, it feels so good when done by National and the good ole boys. At least they don't tell one what showerhead to use, and one can go drink beer with them. Suckers.

They are shareholders in their capacity as ministers you cretin.

[Ocean1]

and there were some state houses, and with the stroke of a mighty pen they were private houses.....


About fucking time too.

Maybe you could buy some of 'em and go into the business yourself, I mean the demand for meth labs is running hot atm: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11443698

[Brian d marge]

Robert Reich (former US Secretary of Labo(u)r), on the TPPA. Not just bad for NZ.

Trans Pacific Trickle-Down Economics
By Robert Reich, Robert Reich's Blog

03 May 15


ave we learned nothing from thirty years of failed trickle-down economics?

By now we should know that when big corporations, Wall Street, and the wealthy get special goodies, the rest of us get shafted.

The Reagan and George W. Bush tax cuts of 1981, 2001, and 2003, respectively, were sold to America as ways to boost the economy and create jobs.

They ended up boosting the take-home pay of those at the top. Most Americans saw no gains.

In fact, the long stagnation of American wages began with Reaganomics. Wages rose a bit under Bill Clinton, and then started plummeting again under George W. Bush.

Trickle-down economics proved a cruel hoax. The new jobs created under Reagan and George W. Bush paid lousy wages, the old jobs paid even less, and we ended up with whopping federal budget deficits.

Then came the bailout of Wall Street in 2008. It was sold as the means of preserving the economy.

It ended up preserving the jobs and exorbitant pay of bankers, but millions of Americans lost their shirts. Small savers were wiped out, and homeowners never got the refinancing they were promised.

No conditions were put on the Wall Street banks for what they were supposed to do for the rest of us in return for our bailing them out. None of their top executives even went to jail for causing the crash in the first place.

Here again, nothing trickled down.

Now comes the Trans Pacific Partnership.

It’s being sold as a way to boost the U.S. economy, expand exports, and contain China’s widening economic influence.

In fact, it’s just more trickle-down economics.

The biggest beneficiaries would be giant American-based global corporations, along with their executives and major shareholders.

Those giant corporations initiated the deal in the first place, their lobbyists helped craft it behind closed doors, and they’re the ones who have been pushing hard for it in Congress – dangling campaign contributions in front of congressional supporters and threatening to cut off funding to opponents.

These corporations made sure the deal contains provisions expanding and protecting their intellectual property around the world, but not protecting American jobs.

Supporters of the deal say it contains worker protections. I heard the same thing when, as secretary of labor, I was supposed to implement the worker protections in the North American Free Trade Act.

I discovered such provisions are unenforceable because of how difficult it is to discover if other nations are abiding by them. On the rare occasion when we found evidence of a breach we had no way to force the other nation to remedy it anyway.

The Trans Pacific Partnership is far larger than NAFTA – covering 40 percent of America’s global trade.

If it’s enacted, American workers and consumers will be made even worse off because of another provision that allows global corporations to sue countries whose health, safety, labor, or environmental regulations crimp their corporate profits.

It establishes a tribunal outside any nation’s legal system that can force a nation to reimburse global corporations for any such “losses.”

Big tobacco is already using an identical provision to sue developing nations that are trying to get their populations off nicotine. The tobacco companies are demanding these nations compensate them for lost cigarette sales.

This provision would mean less protection from corporate harms here in America. It would require that when the potential cost of a new health, safety, environment, or labor protection is weighed against its potential benefits, the cost of reimbursing corporations for lost profits is added in.

I’ve been through enough regulatory wars to know this added cost could easily tip the balance against protection.

The arguments in favor of the deal aren’t credible. The notion that the Trans Pacific Partnership will spark American exports doesn’t hold because the deal does nothing to prevent other nations from manipulating their currencies in order to boost their own exports.

The argument that the deal will help contain China makes even less sense.

Does anyone seriously believe American-based corporations will put the interest of the United States above the interests of their own shareholders when it comes to doing whatever China demands to gain access to that lucrative market?

Big American-based corporations have been cozying up to China for years – giving China whatever American technology China wants, letting China “partner” with them in designing new generations of technology, and allowing China to censor their software and digital platforms – all in exchange for a crack at Chinese consumers.

What we should have learned by now about trickle-down economics is that nothing trickles down.

If the Trans Pacific Partnership is enacted, big corporations, Wall Street, and their top executives and shareholders will make out like bandits. Who will the bandits be stealing from? The rest of us.

Thing is they have tried to get the tppa past us ,once or twice before ...I cant remember the name they gave it last time ., and the investor trade dispute tribunial, has been in operation for a few years now ( Phillip Morris suing the Australian government ) ,,,under TPPA it will just get polished and slightly expanded

[MisterD]

The biggest beneficiaries would be giant American-based global corporations, along with their executives and major shareholders.

Aside from the fact that those "giant corporations" employ a shit load of people and success for them means more people employed, this: Vietnam the biggest winner. (http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2015/04/why-the-tpp-is-a-better-trade-agreement-than-you-think.html)

[pete376403]

Aside from the fact that those "giant corporations" employ a shit load of people and success for them means more people employed, this: Vietnam the biggest winner. (http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2015/04/why-the-tpp-is-a-better-trade-agreement-than-you-think.html)

I don\t know if those "giant corporations" *DO* employ shit loads of people. eg Apple - sure there would be a lot of designers, engineers, etc directly employed but it will be the product makers Foxconn in China who employ the shit loads, paying them shit wages to make the enormous profits for Apple.

Or, another example I saw, Electrolux shuts down a plant in the US, opens another in Mexico and shifts all the work there. US employees loose their jobs, and the Mexican employees are paid something like $1 /hour. Only real winner is Electrolux Corp

[Ocean1]

I don\t know if those "giant corporations" *DO* employ shit loads of people. eg Apple - sure there would be a lot of designers, engineers, etc directly employed but it will be the product makers Foxconn in China who employ the shit loads, paying them shit wages to make the enormous profits for Apple.

Or, another example I saw, Electrolux shuts down a plant in the US, opens another in Mexico and shifts all the work there. US employees loose their jobs, and the Mexican employees are paid something like $1 /hour. Only real winner is Electrolux Corp

And the US workers, who were increasingly unable to afford Electroluxes made in the US, using US labour rates.

If they're keen enough to export their jobs in exchange for cheap product let them. But blaming big business for it and pretending it had nothing to do with over priced and over protected labour is just a teeny bit silly.

[Brian d marge]

And the US workers, who were increasingly unable to afford Electroluxes made in the US, using US labour rates.

If they're keen enough to export their jobs in exchange for cheap product let them. But blaming big business for it and pretending it had nothing to do with over priced and over protected labour is just a teeny bit silly.

Thats right

after all that's a business doing what a business should , make a profit


Never mind those folks can always retrain , or just pop along to the welfare ... ( welfare???? ) then get another job ..

No worries there

[Ocean1]

Thats right

after all that's a business doing what a business should , make a profit


Never mind those folks can always retrain , or just pop along to the welfare ... ( welfare???? ) then get another job ..

No worries there

And what happened to all of those US business that failed to make a profit hiring US labour?

Socialism is only a good idea when you're talking about someone else's money, when it comes to supporting your own workers by buying their product with your own cash over those charging much less then it don't look so good.

If your strategy for a professional life is to leave school early and do simple jobs then why is it anyone else's problem when your fellow countrymen don't want to pay more than your work's worth?

Retrain by all means, if you didn't get it right the first time around. Beats waiting for a robot to take your job.

[awa355]

Just when the US thought their agent, Key, had NZ sown up, here come the chinks with a counter blow.

http://home.nzcity.co.nz/news/article.aspx?id=206263&cat=978&fm=newsarticle+-+Politics%2cnur "This is what you will do little Donkey".

[oldrider]

Just when the US thought their agent, Key, had NZ sown up, here come the chinks with a counter blow.

http://home.nzcity.co.nz/news/article.aspx?id=206263&cat=978&fm=newsarticle+-+Politics%2cnur "This is what you will do little Donkey".

OK - question is - how many of us in NZ really know and understand exactly what Falun Gong is and stands for? - I don't - they appear harmless enough - but?

[puddytat]

Not as bad as the Cooperites at Haupiri....

[pete376403]

OK - question is - how many of us in NZ really know and understand exactly what Falun Gong is and stands for? - I don't - they appear harmless enough - but?

If you saw the big ad in Fridays paper about organ harvesting in China, many of the unwilling donors are Falun Gong practitioners.".

Although the practice initially enjoyed considerable support from Chinese officialdom, by the mid- to late-1990s, the Communist Party and public security organizations increasingly viewed Falun Gong as a potential threat due to its size, independence from the state, and spiritual teachings. By 1999, government estimates placed the number of Falun Gong practitioners at 70 million https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falun_Gong

[Brian d marge]

Ive been trying to export my organ to china for years . . Seems only japan is interested

Sent from my SC-01F using Tapatalk

[oldrider]

If you saw the big ad in Fridays paper about organ harvesting in China, many of the unwilling donors are Falun Gong practitioners.".

Although the practice initially enjoyed considerable support from Chinese officialdom, by the mid- to late-1990s, the Communist Party and public security organizations increasingly viewed Falun Gong as a potential threat due to its size, independence from the state, and spiritual teachings. By 1999, government estimates placed the number of Falun Gong practitioners at 70 million https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falun_Gong

:shit: Makes the Rugby World Cup look insignificant by comparison doesn't it! - You just never know till you know - do you! - Funny bloody world aint it! :shifty: Thank you.

[blue rider]

https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11902489_10207065982195696_7047358771372091293_n.j pg?oh=fbf17f95fe4b65b0acb3705a8a6a730a&oe=5680E63D

[TheDemonLord]

Image

For Shai Halud!

[Banditbandit]

And our Government says that placing explosives to do this

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/04/08/article-2599817-1CED9B9300000578-637_964x607.jpg

Is safer than working on a worm farm ...

We are in serious trouble New Zealand .. these dingbats run our country

[Katman]

Live life on the edge.

<img src="http://www.travelbybob.com/img/resort/photos/Riviera-Maya-Barcelo-Maya-Palace-Deluxe/Riviera-Maya-Photos-Barcelo-Maya-Palace-Deluxe-9.jpg"/>

[Swoop]

And our Government says that placing explosives to do this

I would state that explosives is quite a safe occupation.
The people doing the job are quite well trained and know the consequences.

Ammo tech's are an odd bunch, but quite harmless unless prodded with a large - pointy stick.

[husaberg]

All i'm saying
315013

[Ocean1]

We are in serious trouble New Zealand .. these dingbats run our country

You mean: "The leadership of the most successful conservative government in the Western world"?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/71151447/good-government-neednt-be-a-punchline-tony-abbott

[Scuba_Steve]

You mean: "The leadership of the most successful conservative government in the Western world"?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/71151447/good-government-neednt-be-a-punchline-tony-abbott

is that what your masters told you? Must be true then, it's even on teh interwebs after all :whistle:

[Ocean1]

is that what your masters told you? Must be true then, it's even on teh interwebs after all :whistle:

No. I just find I have to occasionally take a breathe of fresh untainted perspective from the overwhelming stench of local trendy socialist whining.

Although the actual facts of life are more than adequate to repel the most strident doomsayers.

[pete376403]

That article is mostly about how bad the Abbott government is and compared to them Keys government looks ok. Shit even Bainimarama in Fiji looks good compared to Abbott.

[husaberg]

No. I just find I have to occasionally take a breathe of fresh untainted perspective from the overwhelming stench of local trendy socialist whining.

Although the actual facts of life are more than adequate to repel the most strident doomsayers.
New Zealand Unemployment Rate
Statistics New Zealand figures out this morning showed unemployment raced up to 7.3 per cent in the September quarter, from 6.8 per cent in the June quarter, mainly hitting Maori and teenagers.

Australian Unemployment Rate
Figures out today across the Tasman show Australian unemployment stable at 5.4 per cent.

United States Unemployment Rate

Unemployment Rate in the United States remained unchanged at 5.30 percent in July from 5.30 percent in June of 2015.

United Kingdom Unemployment Rate
Unemployment Rate in the United Kingdom remained unchanged at 5.60 percent in June from 5.60 percent in May of 2015.

http://clickamericana.com/wp-content/uploads/facts-of-life-tv-show-cast-nov-1981.jpghttp://www.nbr.co.nz/sites/default/files/story_imgs/john_key%20head_9.jpg

[Scuba_Steve]

No. I just find I have to occasionally take a breathe of fresh untainted perspective from the overwhelming stench of local trendy socialist whining.

Although the actual facts of life are more than adequate to repel the most strident doomsayers.

"untainted" :laugh: you're just drinking from the blue coolaid while others drink from the red, while it might produce a difference perspective it's all just coolaid underneath... "untainted" :rofl:

[Ocean1]

New Zealand Unemployment Rate
Statistics New Zealand figures out this morning showed unemployment raced up to 7.3 per cent in the September quarter, from 6.8 per cent in the June quarter, mainly hitting Maori and teenagers.

Australian Unemployment Rate
Figures out today across the Tasman show Australian unemployment stable at 5.4 per cent.

United States Unemployment Rate

Unemployment Rate in the United States remained unchanged at 5.30 percent in July from 5.30 percent in June of 2015.

United Kingdom Unemployment Rate
Unemployment Rate in the United Kingdom remained unchanged at 5.60 percent in June from 5.60 percent in May of 2015.

Sourced to taste, of course. Do you deliberately ignore the off-shore reports showing NZ as one of the most desirable, successful and egalitarian nations on the planet or is it the bias completely subconscious?

And I wonder to what extent the actual, (as opposed to locally spun) current Aussie and NZ unemployment rates are affected by all the Kiwis abandoning the Aussie commodity bust cycle and returning home...

[Ocean1]

"untainted" :laugh: you're just drinking from the blue coolaid while others drink from the red, while it might produce a difference perspective it's all just coolaid underneath... "untainted" :rofl:

No, again, what I'm looking at is the fact that there's never been a generation that's been better off, and yet all we hear is whining about how the govt is failing it. It's pathetic. Like a bunch of kids whining because there frills on their new shoes aren't quite the colour they want.

[husaberg]

No. I just find I have to occasionally take a breathe of fresh untainted perspective from the overwhelming stench of local trendy socialist whining.

Although the actual facts of life are more than adequate to repel the most strident doomsayers.
Yet.
Statistics New Zealand figures out this morning showed unemployment raced up to 7.3 per cent in the September quarter, from 6.8 per cent in the June quarter, mainly hitting Maori and teenagers.

Australian Unemployment Rate
Figures out today across the Tasman show Australian unemployment stable at 5.4 per cent.

United States Unemployment Rate

Unemployment Rate in the United States remained unchanged at 5.30 percent in July from 5.30 percent in June of 2015.

United Kingdom Unemployment Rate
Unemployment Rate in the United Kingdom remained unchanged at 5.60 percent in June from 5.60 percent in May of 2015.

So we have about 50000 more people unemployed than when Key came to power. The highest rate of unemployment since the Bolger Shipley era.


Sourced to taste, of course. Do you deliberately ignore the off-shore reports showing NZ as one of the most desirable, successful and egalitarian nations on the planet or is it the bias completely subconscious?

And I wonder to what extent the actual, (as opposed to locally spun) current Aussie and NZ unemployment rates are affected by all the Kiwis abandoning the Aussie commodity bust cycle and returning home...

No I just google the respective unemployment rates, no selective use of data all all.

I just countered your assertion about how great NZ is doing with some reality.

Simply I just posted some facts of life. (Your words and theme)

Now you are just resorting to making excuses for facts and figures that you do not like.
Fact is, since your beloved Nats came in Unemployment has risen.

Consider this double talk from Bill English.

John Key’s legacy is leaving the highest jobless rate since Jenny Shipley’s National government in the late 1990s.

Mr English has partially blamed the struggles Britain, US and Europe continue to face.

“That’s having a bit more of an impact on us than we expected and shows it’s reasonably tough for people in the job market,” he says.

He accepts the economy is a lot softer now than it has been in recent months, but says the unexpected jump in jobless figures is at odds with other figures he has seen, such as a fall in unemployment benefit figures.

Mr English says Auckland is driving the unemployment rate, but he is at a loss to explain why the benefit numbers there have been falling.

[puddytat]

Sourced to taste, of course. Do you deliberately ignore the off-shore reports showing NZ as one of the most desirable, successful and egalitarian nations on the planet or is it the bias completely subconscious?

...

Its got nothing to do with your right wing spin or the left wing spin either.
I'd say its got way more to do with that sub conscious feeling of disquiet that most people have when they look at their country turning to custard & being over run by Asylum seekers & refugees.
Where would you want to live?

[Brian d marge]

New Zealand Unemployment Rate
Statistics New Zealand figures out this morning showed unemployment raced up to 7.3 per cent in the September quarter, from 6.8 per cent in the June quarter, mainly hitting Maori and teenagers.

Australian Unemployment Rate
Figures out today across the Tasman show Australian unemployment stable at 5.4 per cent.

United States Unemployment Rate

Unemployment Rate in the United States remained unchanged at 5.30 percent in July from 5.30 percent in June of 2015.

United Kingdom Unemployment Rate
Unemployment Rate in the United Kingdom remained unchanged at 5.60 percent in June from 5.60 percent in May of 2015.



Doubling those figures would give you a truer picture. There is A LOT of creative accountancy involved in producing those numbers , for example ...if you have a part time job , or ar sick or even have given up looking for work , you are not counted .

When it comes to dodgy dealing done dirt cheap , your government excels

[husaberg]

Doubling those figures would give you a truer picture. There is A LOT of creative accountancy involved in producing those numbers , for example ...if you have a part time job , or ar sick or even have given up looking for work , you are not counted .

When it comes to dodgy dealing done dirt cheap , your government excels

Maybe but I just assume they all use the same Meryl Lynch style creative accounting.

[Brian d marge]

Its got nothing to do with your right wing spin or the left wing spin either.
I'd say its got way more to do with that sub conscious feeling of disquiet that most people have when they look at their country turning to custard & being over run by Asylum seekers & refugees.
Where would you want to live?
Dem just being used as a scapegoat , Asylum seekers & refugees that is

its going to custard because of non-conservative shenanigans that move asset wealth away from those who need it , to those whom least need it

and our glorious leader( s) get made an offer they cannot refuse , so spend their time in the big boys seat , walking a fine line , doing what right for the country and at the same time doing their master bidding.

As soon as NZ goes "Iceland" on the buggers , Nationalises core assets ( you can still run it like an SOE), and starts closing tax loop holes ( and taxing the buggers)

Finally , Tax " hot money " or money entering and leaving the country ( unless its for long term sustainable investment in core utilities )

fk em

Stephen

[blue rider]

facts and other assorted fuckwittery

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/70843165/nz-unemployment-worsens-to-59-per-cent-wages-stay-low

Jobs market weak

June quarter

Unemployment rate: 5.9 per cent (5.8 per cent March quarter)

Jobs growth: 0.3 per cent (0.6 per cent March quarter)

Labour cost index: 0.5 per cent and 1.6 per cent for June year

7000 more people employed in the quarter and 69,000 more than a year ago.

Auckland accounted for 44 per cent of the lift in jobs in the past year

Total hours worked: down 0.6 per cent (up 2 per cent in March quarter)

Source: Statistics NZ

Higher unemployment, low wage growth and another slump in dairy auction prices adds more weight to expectations that the Reserve Bank will drop interest rates again in September, with more cuts to come, economists say.

Unemployment was up slightly to 5.9 per cent in the June quarter, though job numbers continued to rise in the three months, according to Statistics NZ.

The unemployment rate in the March quarter was 5.8 per cent.

At the same time, there were 7000 more people employed over the June quarter, up 0.3 per cent, a much slower rate of jobs growth than in the March quarter.

Since the end of last year, the number of new jobs has not been rising fast enough to keep up with a rapidly growing workforce , so unemployment has risen.

In the past year, manufacturing saw the strongest jobs growth, taking over from the former key jobs engine of construction, as the pace of the Canterbury rebuild levelled off. Auckland is the main centre for new jobs, with jobs growth in Canterbury slowing.

And with a slowing economy, unemployment is expected to get worse in coming months, economists said.

Westpac economists said the job figures reinforced its expectations that the Reserve Bank would need to cut official interest rates from 3 per cent to 2 per cent, after two cuts already this year.

The economy had been losing steam as construction work levelled off and dairy auction prices fell, with both business and consumer confidence falling.

"We expect the economy is going to need a significant shot in the arm to boost activity and inflation", Westpac senior economist Satish Ranchhod said.

The latest job market figures gave a concrete sign the economy was slowing down as unemployment rose, jobs growth cooled, and hours worked fell.

With the economy looking worse and any further improvement in the unemployment rate questionable, wage inflation was unlikely to pick up, Infometrics said. The state of the job market was "conducive" to further cuts in official interest rates, Infometrics said.


http://www.stats.govt.nz/browse_for_stats/income-and-work/employment_and_unemployment/HouseholdLabourForceSurvey_HOTPDec08qtr-revised.aspx

Info from above link, from the pinko commie department of Statistic NZ, the ones with the liberal bend...cause numbers - year 2008 start of the reign of dear Leader, his most accomplished hairpuller, sheep/dairy/beeffarmer, and puppy hugger

December 2008 quarter Quarterly change Annual change
Unemployment rate 4.6% +0.4 +1.2
Unemployed 105,000 +10.8% +36.8%
Employed 2,191,000 +0.9% +0.9%
Not in the labour force 1,015,000 -1.8% -1.0%
Labour force participation rate 69.3% +0.6 +0.6

http://stats.govt.nz/browse_for_stats/income-and-work/employment_and_unemployment/LabourMarketStatistics_HOTPJun15qtr.aspx
Info from above link, from the pinko commie department of Statistic NZ, the ones with the liberal bend...cause numbers - year 2015, seventh year of the most immaculate rock staries, and most excellent reign of dear Leader, his most accomplished hairpuller, sheep/dairy/beef farmer, and puppy hugger
Employment at a glance
Jun 2015 quarter Quarterly change Annual change
(000) Percent
Working-age population 3,618 +0.7 +2.2
Employed 2,360 +0.3 +3.0
Unemployed 148(000) +1.9 +7.5
Filled jobs 1,816 -0.9 +1.9
Percent Percentage points
Employment rate 65.2 -0.3 +0.4
Unemployment rate 5.9 +0.1 +0.2
Labour force participation rate 69.3 -0.2 +0.6

How do the Pinko Commie Hairy unwashed Hippies define employed vs unemployed

http://www.stats.govt.nz/methods/classifications-and-standards/classification-related-stats-standards/hours-worked-in-employment/definition.aspx

Hours worked in employment is the total number of hours worked in employment per week by all people meeting the definition of employment given in the standard for labour force status, that is, all people aged 15 and over who during the survey reference period:

worked for one hour or more for pay, profit or payment in kind in a job, business, farm or professional practice

worked without pay for one hour or more in work which contributed directly to the operation of a farm, business or professional practice operated by a relative

had a job or business they were temporarily absent from.
Employed and labour force status are supporting concepts for hours worked in employment and are defined in Glossary and references.

Now one might add, That this was always the case, one works for one hour paid or unpaid and is counted as employed....Why no, not so fast.

Again the Pinko Commie unwashed Hippies
http://www.stats.govt.nz/browse_for_stats/income-and-work/employment_and_unemployment/introducing-new-measures-underemployment.aspx

Introducing new measures of underemployment
This page introduces a new underemployment measure to be added to the suite of labour market statistics available from the Household Labour Force Survey: March 2013 quarter onwards.

It looks at the concept of underemployment and explains some of the characteristics of underemployment and why this measure is useful.

[blue rider]

https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/t31.0-8/p843x403/10927849_396175027239782_1034426545564524785_o.jpg

[Ocean1]

Maybe but I just assume they all use the same Meryl Lynch style creative accounting.

You'd be wrong. Employment data in particular is collected, collated and reported differently from country to country.

Less hysterical data can often be found here: http://ourworldindata.org/ Sources are often still somewhat left leaning but on the whole it's leaning left evenly across national comparisons.

And I'm not convinced unemployment is any sort of measure of a nation's prosperity.

I mean, if the lazy cunts would make some sort of effort the whole country would be better off by at least the cost of their tax funded free lunch.

[husaberg]

You'd be wrong. Employment data in particular is collected, collated and reported differently from country to country.

Less hysterical data can often be found here: http://ourworldindata.org/ Sources are often still somewhat left leaning but on the whole it's leaning left evenly across national comparisons.

And I'm not convinced unemployment is any sort of measure of a nation's prosperity.

I mean, if the lazy cunts would make some sort of effort the whole country would be better off by at least the cost of their tax funded free lunch.

Doesn't suit your theory so dismiss at will .......................:lol:
I think you are somewhat confused by my sarcasm.
Not need to go looking for figures that suit any agenda.
I googled the official unemployment figures.
As for the lazy why is it so many jobs are being lost at large companies are the companies lazy or is it just the lazy workers fault.

[Ocean1]

Doesn't suit your theory so dismiss at will .......................:lol:
I think you are somewhat confused by my sarcasm.
Not need to go looking for figures that suit any agenda.
I googled the official unemployment figures.
As for the lazy why is it so many jobs are being lost at large companies are the companies lazy or is it just the lazy workers fault.

I think you missed my point. Why is unemployment relevant to national prosperity or the desirability of lifestyle we have? It's a largely fabricated phenomena anyway.

Gwarne, flick through the important shit in that link, food consumption per capita, lifespan, working hrs, income equity, number of absolute poor, vehicles per capita, house sizes, holiday days etc etc. All trending positive. NZ features highly in all of them. On the back of both left and right governments performance, or lack of it over the last couple of decades.

Why the fuck all the whining?

Seriously?

And what, exactly do you expect the govt to do about it? Hold BOTH your hands?

[husaberg]

I think you missed my point. Why is unemployment relevant to national prosperity or the desirability of lifestyle we have? It's a largely fabricated phenomena anyway.

Gwarne, flick through the important shit in that link, food consumption per capita, lifespan, working hrs, income equity, number of absolute poor, vehicles per capita, house sizes, holiday days etc etc. All trending positive. NZ features highly in all of them

Why the fuck all the whining?

Seriously?

Why is it relevant simple the more propherous the population the more work opportunities that exist.
You yourself offered up how much better we were doing on than other countries (your own volition) I just corrected you with facts.
I gave you facts Ocean. You are now trying to weasel out of the real fact it isn't so rosy a picture that you were trying to paint it out to be.

[Ocean1]

Why is it relevant simple the more propherous the population the more work opportunities that exist.
You yourself offered up how much better we were doing on than other countries (your own volition) I just corrected you with facts.
I gave you facts Ocean. You are now trying to weasel out of the real fact it isn't so rosy a picture that you were trying to paint it out to be.

We're not short of work opportunities. You want to compare NZ with the US? Arsehole minimum wage legislation. Then the only unemployed you'd have would be the ones that genuinely can't generate any value whatsoever.

Next!

[Stylo]

I voted for Key as another term with the despotic Clark seemed impossible to digest.

I used to vote Labour but, with A Little at the helm now it seems that another vote for Key is likely.

Keeping it simple stupid, KISS

[husaberg]

We're not short of work opportunities. You want to compare NZ with the US? Arsehole minimum wage legislation. Then the only unemployed you'd have would be the ones that genuinely can't generate any value whatsoever.

Next!

Someone's changing the subject again.

[Ocean1]

Someone's changing the subject again.

Govt performance?

Where, exactly am I failing to discuss the subject?

Again: check the above living standard metrics, and answer the simple question: are we not better off than any previous generation?

[Ocean1]

Keeping it simple stupid, KISS

Aye. And let's face it, how much of our lives should we expect any govt to "manage"?

Especially if you don't like the way they're doing the bits they do control...

[husaberg]

Govt performance?

Where, exactly am I failing to discuss the subject?

Again: check the above living standard metrics, and answer the simple question: are we not better off than any previous generation?

You repeated refuse to admit the figures don't back your assertions
So you keep throwing in other stuff rather than what is as plain as the nose on your face.
Since the Nats came into power our debt levels have increased, entire core industries have collapsed, Core assets have been sold off, Personal debt levels has also increased.
We spend a fortune propping up a few Multinationals and bailing out financial institutions that mismanaged there own performance.
Unemployment is ever increasing it is not quite a rosy picture.
Feel free to point out how we are so much better off we are than Greece if that makes you feel better. But it doesn't change what the situation is.

[Ocean1]

You repeated refuse to admit the figures don't back your assertions
So you keep throwing in other stuff rather than what is as plain as the nose on your face.
Since the Nats came into power our debt levels have increased, entire core industries have collapsed, Core assets have been sold off, Personal debt levels has also increased. Unemployment is ever increasing it is not quite a rosy picture.
Feel free to point out how we are so much better off we are than Greece if that makes you feel better. But it doesn't change what the situation is.

You're figures may not. But as I said, compare NZ apples with those of any other country and mostly we've done better.

You can insist that's not good enough, but it's a fairly negative response given the numbers that actually matter. Those ones you seem to be ignoring.

My original point was that outside of NZ we've been seen to have performed well, and yet here all we ever hear about is the carefully crafted bad news. Sick of the negativity.

[mashman]

Again: check the above living standard metrics, and answer the simple question: are we not better off than any previous generation?

No. Quite simply put if you need to extrapolate a value instead of counting every instance, and then read the average as "well things must better than some other generation", then you're out of your cotton plantation owning mind. The metric should be a direct count, not a best guess and until such is provided, you have no facts.

[husaberg]

You're figures may not. But as I said, compare NZ apples with those of any other country and mostly we've done better.

You can insist that's not good enough, but it's a fairly negative response given the numbers that actually matter. Those ones you seem to be ignoring.

My original point was that outside of NZ we've been seen to have performed well, and yet here all we ever hear about is the carefully crafted bad news. Sick of the negativity.

I have like I said continue to live in the world were this shit is fertilising the rosy picture you are attempting to paint.
I have showed you we have not performed well.
You would have to wonder though if everything is as rose scented as you think why is there so much negativity.
Maybe you need to put down the Merlot and take off the rose tinted glasses as well.

[Ocean1]

I have like I said continue to live in the world were this shit is fertilising the rosy picture you are attempting to paint.
I have showed you we have not performed well.

No, you've said unemployment's up. But you don't want to compare that to anywhere else.

You don't like the fact that asset's have been sold, AND you don't like increased debt. During a global depression. Hardly a balanced bitch, is it?

Again, the numbers that count:


food consumption per capita, lifespan, working hrs, income equity, number of absolute poor, vehicles per capita, house sizes, holiday days etc etc. All trending positive. NZ features highly in all of them. On the back of both left and right governments performance, or lack of it over the last couple of decades.

Why the fuck all the whining?

[husaberg]

No, you've said unemployment's up. But you don't want to compare that to anywhere else.

You don't like the fact that asset's have been sold, AND you don't like increased debt. During a global depression. Hardly a balanced bitch, is it?

Again, the numbers that count:

Maybe you might quote a whole quote next time aye
The majority on NZ don't like assets being sold
The majority of the world (other than you) View unemployment and debt levels as reliable indicators to performance.

[Brian d marge]

Unemployment (June 2015)
EU 9.6%
Eurozone 11.1%
Greece 25.6% (April)
Spain 22.5%
Italy 12.7%
France 10.2%
Germany 4.7%

Double it and add ten to get the real unemployment rate

All we need now is a big depression and a war and all will be sweet again

Already have the hyperinflation just look at those asset bubbles . .
Now if we could just reunify the sudatenland

Or Tokaroa

National unity is national prosperity

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[Ocean1]

Maybe you might quote a whole quote next time aye
The majority on NZ don't like assets being sold
The majority of the world (other than you) View unemployment and debt levels as reliable indicators to performance.

The majority world see our debt having increased an imperial shitload less that theirs, and you claim they've failed to perform in that regard. Isn't that just a wee bit disingenuous?

And how many of those supposed above govt performance indicators are mutually exclusive? For example, if I was king there'd be fuck all govt debt, but there'd be a shitload of complaints from the unproductive sector about that. And I don't like seeing assets sold either, I'd like less of that if I had my way, but there's no way that wouldn't negatively impact one or more of your other "performance indicators". I've already told you how I'd slash unemployment, reckon that'd be considered a high performance move?

I think most give the govt far too much credit, positive and negative, for what they see as "someone else's problem".

Me, I'll stick to the real issues: We're fucking well off, and rapidly becoming better off. Only an idiot would risk fucking that up by wholesale changes to govt policy.

[husaberg]

The majority world see our debt having increased an imperial shitload less that theirs, and you claim they've failed to perform in that regard. Isn't that just a wee bit disingenuous?

And how many of those supposed above govt performance indicators are mutually exclusive? For example, if I was king there'd be fuck all govt debt, but there'd be a shitload of complaints from the unproductive sector about that. And I don't like seeing assets sold either, I'd like less of that if I had my way, but there's no way that wouldn't negatively impact one or more of your other "performance indicators". I've already told you how I'd slash unemployment, reckon that'd be considered a high performance move?

I think most give the govt far too much credit, positive and negative, for what they see as "someone else's problem".

Me, I'll stick to the real issues: We're fucking well off, and rapidly becoming better off. Only an idiot would risk fucking that up by wholesale changes to govt policy.

Rapidly becoming better off would mean not increasing debt levels and not having ever increasing unemployment what colour is the sky in your world Ocean. Maybe you need to realise that you are a bit damp and wet behind the ears.

[Ocean1]

No. Quite simply put if you need to extrapolate a value instead of counting every instance, and then read the average as "well things must better than some other generation", then you're out of your cotton plantation owning mind. The metric should be a direct count, not a best guess and until such is provided, you have no facts.

No, in fact I haven't extrapolated anything. And anyone that can reliably count with their shoes on is already perfectly aware that the facts agree that the current generation is better off that any in recorded history.

Well, maybe not in the article of dysentery.

And lice.

[Ocean1]

Rapidly becoming better off would mean not increasing debt levels and not having ever increasing unemployment what colour is the sky in your world Ocean. Maybe you need to realise that you are a bit damp and wet behind the ears.


food consumption per capita, lifespan, working hrs, income equity, number of absolute poor, vehicles per capita, house sizes, holiday days etc etc. All trending positive. NZ features highly in all of them. On the back of both left and right governments performance, or lack of it over the last couple of decades.

Why the fuck all the whining?

................

[mashman]

No, in fact I haven't extrapolated anything. And anyone that can reliably count with their shoes on is already perfectly aware that the facts agree that the current generation is better off that any in recorded history.


The links that you put forwards as facts are extrapolated results, and you do claim them as facts?. You interpretation, is quaint.

[Ocean1]

The links that you put forwards as facts are extrapolated results, and you do claim them as facts?. You interpretation, is quaint.

Then why don't you go count the number of poor in 1970 and then count the poor in 2015 and then come back with your interpretation, eh?

In the meantime the rest of the world is good with the conventional arithmetic.

[Brian d marge]

Then why don't you go count the number of poor in 1970 and then count the poor in 2015 and then come back with your interpretation, eh?

In the meantime the rest of the world is good with the conventional arithmetic.
I still have that harbour bridge for sale if you are interested

Or a house in auckland

Both are set to appreciate

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[mashman]

Then why don't you go count the number of poor in 1970 and then count the poor in 2015 and then come back with your interpretation, eh?

In the meantime the rest of the world is good with the conventional arithmetic.

I already have.

Aye, but that arithmetic kinda misses the point... primarily on account of it being conventional.

[mashman]

California land quickly sinking in drought costs farmers (https://nz.finance.yahoo.com/news/california-land-quickly-sinking-drought-153252080.html)... If only they had the money to sort it.

[puddytat]

Me, I'll stick to the real issues: We're fucking well off, and rapidly becoming better off. Only an idiot would risk fucking that up by wholesale changes to govt policy.

Man, ....you really are scared of change . The change that is coming is way beyond what any Govt can influence.
Hence the lack of any of them anywhere doing any thing.
Other than business as usual.

[husaberg]

................

What you have posted has f-all to do with economic performance of the government more to do with excess personal debt levels.


Man, ....you really are scared of change . The change that is coming is way beyond what any Govt can influence.
Hence the lack of any of them anywhere doing any thing.
Other than business as usual.
Nah They can change the flag that's important stuff Ocean said earlier we will benefit by 120 million at least per year out of that. He never explained how though despite me asking him repeatidly

[Ocean1]

Man, ....you really are scared of change . The change that is coming is way beyond what any Govt can influence.
Hence the lack of any of them anywhere doing any thing.
Other than business as usual.

Change? Bring it on. In a free world productive behaviour is survival behaviour.

Which is why I said too many people expect too much of govt, they're not the ones actually producing the goods. The best they can generally contribute is to stay out the fucking way of the producers.

[Ocean1]

What you have posted has f-all to do with economic performance of the government more to do with excess personal debt levels.


As I said, the most valuable contribution any govt can make to an economy is to stay out of the fucking way of those that create it.

Excess personal debt causes extended lifespans? Fewer poor? Better nutrition? Better healthcare?

Don't think so.

[husaberg]

As I said, the most valuable contribution any govt can make to an economy is to stay out of the fucking way of those that create it.

Excess personal debt causes extended lifespans? Fewer poor? Better nutrition? Better healthcare?

Don't think so.

Excess person Debt they have no control over, you held this up as a shining example of indicators of the excellence of the Goverments performance.
Unemployment rates Wage levels and SOE going down the tubes, roading and electricity infrastructure and railways being run down and sold they do have.