Police getting tougher on speed tolerance

[Bonez]

Most of our stuff centres around a bad roundabout where people decide to illegally turn left from right lane marked right turn only. Nothing speed related really.
Roundabout too small for truck to be in right lane so been a few people under trailers which doesn’t end well.How often does that happen? Trucks have gotten longer with a larger carrying capacity. Our roads were never DESIGNED for the amount of truck traffic that is on them now.

At one point logging trucks were the longest/heaviest on our roads.

[R650R]

No, they prefer to catch people doing dumb stuff themselves, it's easier than chasing up someone's footage.

Also remember the evidential chain necessary when footage is used. The person using the dash cam would need to come to any court case, as the officer didn't take the footage. Like I said, it's faff factor. It's just more evidentially efficient for the officer to prosecute what they see themselves.

Also remember that the police don't get the money from fines. But that just doesn't resonate with most folk, as it doesn't suit their narrative.

COLOUR OF LAW... I’m sure you know how most police operations work works wide...

Evidence is only needed when some sucker doesn’t dumbly confess. Most average Joes won’t be aware of what you describe above. They will dumbly confess at side of road when confronted by cop hoping their honesty will let them talk their way out of it.

[Bonez]

COLOUR OF LAW... I’m sure you know how most police operations work works wide...

Evidence is only needed when some sucker doesn’t dumbly confess. Most average Joes won’t be aware of what you describe above. They will dumbly confess at side of road when confronted by cop hoping their honesty will let them talk their way out of it.

More generic bull shit. You come across as what I guess would be considered as a stereotypical trucky by SOME road users. Who think all NZ roads are just for them. Surprise Surprise buddy but they are NOT!. They are for the use of ALL road users whether you fucking like it or not. So go curl up in a corner and have a wee cry..:weep:

And before you bitch the fact I don't know what I'm on about I've probably had my HT license from before you were even born. Transported and been backup driver hauling ordinance around the country.

[Scuba_Steve]

Fuck you are full of generalisations. Corruption is all over the place not just in GUMMERMENT DEPTS. such as law enforcement. You sound like one of pritchs Antifa peaceful protestors crowd ffs.

Break out of that bubble and put some bifocals on.

Take off those rose tints; generalizations come from somewhere
Yes corruption is all over the place but the legal system should be the least of it. In NZ it stands as one of the most... That's just plain wrong

[FJRider]

How often does that happen? Trucks have gotten longer with a larger carrying capacity. Our roads were never DESIGNED for the amount of truck traffic that is on them now.



When people ignore the indicators signaling a turn on a truck in front of them. Then putting themselves in a drivers blind spot.

People now have the opportunity to be run over by 50 tonne rigs ... up from the old 44 tonne limit. It's funny to watch ... :killingme

[R650R]

Our roads were never DESIGNED for the amount of truck traffic that is on them now.

.

Roads were never designed for anything other than to move the Kings armies and for his henchmen to collect taxes from peasants.
Commerce and recreational travel are mere ancillary functions. Even today just look at the road and rail infrastructure quality anywhere near a decent military base.

[Bonez]

Roads were never designed for anything other than to move the Kings armies and for his henchmen to collect taxes from peasants.
Commerce and recreational travel are mere ancillary functions. Even today just look at the road and rail infrastructure quality anywhere near a decent military base.WE use to get 500lb Mk 82 HE bombs and Mk 83 1000lb HE bombs with accessories (fuses/high drag/low tails etc) via Fielding rail yard for Ohakea no problems at all. 2.75" and 5" ZUNI rockets as well.

Major roads did go from dirt to asphalt I believe...

[FJRider]

WE use to get 500lb Mk 82 HE bombs and Mk 83 1000lb HE bombs via Fielding rail yard for Ohakea no problems at all. 2.75" and 5" rockets as well.



I'm ex Army transport. We carted bombs for the Air Farce (not a spelling error) on a regular basis. Bombs were safe enough on ANY type of road ... as the fuses were never put in until just prior to mounting on the aircraft. Carrying the fuses was the dangerous bit.

But you knew that ... eh .. :shifty:

[Bonez]

I'm ex Army transport. We carted bombs for the Air Farce (not a spelling error) on a regular basis. Bombs were safe enough on ANY type of road ... as the fuses were never put in until just prior to mounting on the aircraft. Carrying the fuses was the dangerous bit.

But you knew that ... eh .. :shifty:The fuses would've have been transported on a different unit/truck, container or carriage as per Land Transport Regulations. Both fuses and HE bombs are Explosive Class 1.1. Propellant 1.2, Pyros 1.3 and Small Arms ammo 1.4S There's also the little matter of a booster between the fuse and the HE bomb itself. You see the fuse alone will not set a Mk 80 series bomb off. It needs a booster to do that. Its a safety featcher of Mk 80 series ordnance.

Do you know the compatability and/or separation distance for each class of explosives FJRider? Or know how to calculate it or did your cpl/sgt do all the hard work?


HTH

[eldog]

Interesting....

Wars still run by current government rules and regs.
Well who knew?

And in 1940, roads were still gravel? Surely not.
Didn't we build autobahns? So we could travel faster?
Been riding around looking for those roads with 110 limit
Even the brand new roads almost none have this limit.

And in Australia? they have put some limits up.

[FJRider]

The fuses would've have been transported on a different unit/truck or carriage as per Land Transport Legislation. Both fuses and HE bombs are Explosive Class 1.1.



Yep ... One load of fuses I carried weighed fifteen tons ... but that included the wooden crates they were transported in. But enough for a sizeable bang.


As I recall ... 28 pounds of pressure would/could set them off.

We drove carefully ... and with all the signs and red flags ... as required in the regulations.

[FJRider]

Interesting....

Wars still run by current government rules and regs.
Well who knew?

And in 1940, roads were still gravel? Surely not.
Didn't we build autobahns? So we could travel faster?
Been riding around looking for those roads with 110 limit
Even the brand new roads almost none have this limit.

And in Australia? they have put some limits up.

But ... it's the speed that kills you.


Not the (poor) quality of the roads.

Apparently ... ;)

[FJRider]

...Do you know the compatability and/or separation distance for each class of explosives FJRider? Or know how to calculate it or did your cpl/sgt do all the hard work?

Fuses were NOT allowed to be carried with the same shipment as bombs or artillery shells they fitted.

But you knew that ... maybe ... ;)

[Bonez]

Yep ... One load of fuses I carried weighed fifteen tons ... but that included the wooden crates they were transported in. But enough for a sizeable bang.


As I recall ... 28 pounds of pressure would/could set them off.

We drove carefully ... and with all the signs and red flags ... as required in the regulations.Cool. I was transporting some 1000lbders over to the Army Raumai explosive storage facility in our old Hiab crane truck. On of the way going over the bridge Woodville side of the Manawatu Gorge the wheel nuts accidentally clipped, it was tight, a workers frame hanging over the side with guys doing maintenance under the bridge. This chap came up very quickly when the frame rattled. We stopped and I don't know what he said but he wasn't happy. Once he settled down we inspected the frame and truck. No damage done to either just some paint removed, we shook hands and off on our merry way.

I'll never forget that moment.

[eldog]

Fuses were NOT allowed to be carried with the same shipment as bombs or artillery shells they fitted.

But you knew that ... maybe ... ;)

Come on, were's the fun in that.

Throw me the fuse will you dearie

[eldog]

Cool. I was transporting some 1000lbders over to the Army Raumai explosive storage facility in our old Hiab crane truck. On of the way going over the bridge Woodville side of the Manawatu Gorge the wheel nuts accidentally clipped, it was tight, a workers frame hanging over the side with guys doing maintenance under the bridge. This chap came up very quickly when the frame rattled. We stopped and I don't know what he said but he wasn't happy. Once he settled down we inspected the frame and truck. No damage done to either just some paint removed, we shook hands and off on our merry way.

I'll never forget that moment.

And he wouldn't have either, that I can guarantee.
Having been in a similar position myself.

[Bonez]

Come on, were's the fun in that.

Throw me the fuse will you dearieDemolition kits have a specific section in the regs.. IIRC(it's been a while) you can have a max. of 45kg of explosives including fuses. But don't need to display red fags, just the 1.1 sign front and back of the vehicle..

[eldog]

Demolition kits have a specific section in the regs.. IIRC(it's been a while) you can have a max. of 45kg of explosives includind fuses. But don't need to display red fags, just the 1.1 sign front and back of the vehicle..

And how many people nowadays would take even the slightest notice of a red flag or dangerous goods truck.

We should ask for Caspernz for his experience on that.

I quite often see people cut in front of fuel tankers.
Those drivers must have some real patience

[FJRider]

Come on, were's the fun in that.

Apparently ... it was to prevent any unauthorized assembly of the explosive devices.

You can't trust those bloody (Army) drivers ... apparently.


Throw me the fuse will you dearie


Ever seen a train run over the warning det's they put on the tracks to warn train drivers of workers on the line ... ???

It might hurt ... :innocent:

[eldog]

Apparently ... it was to prevent any unauthorized assembly of the explosive devices.

You can't trust those bloody (Army) drivers ... apparently.




Ever seen a train run over the warning det's they put on the tracks to warn train drivers of workers on the line ... ???

It might hurt ... :innocent:

Can't say I have.

Only railway I ever worked on was underground, now that was scary.

[Bonez]

And how many people nowadays would take even the slightest notice of a red flag or dangerous goods truck.

We should ask for Caspernz for his experience on that.

I quite often see people cut in front of fuel tankers.
Those drivers must have some real patienceI can imagine. Same goes for Fontara Milk truck drivers. Mind you I've seen a few of those guys do some stupid things over the years. I usually get a wave from them when I'm on a m/c.

[FJRider]

And how many people nowadays would take even the slightest notice of a red flag or dangerous goods truck.

We should ask for Caspernz for his experience on that.

I quite often see people cut in front of fuel tankers.
Those drivers must have some real patience

I once carted a tuck-load of auxiliary fuel tanks for The Skyhawks in Ohakea from Whenuapai ... Explosive signs and flags as they were empty but not cleaned out inside them. We stopped and ate our lunch well off the road. A car pulled in beside us and a guy climbed out and lit his pipe.

After we explained the purpose of the signs and flags ... and informed him what we were carrying ... he went a little white. And left.

[Bonez]

I once carted a tuck-load of auxiliary fuel tanks for The Skyhawks in Ohakea from Whenuapai ... Explosive signs and flags as they were empty but not cleaned out inside them. We stopped and ate our lunch well off the road. A car pulled in beside us and a guy climbed out and lit his pipe.

After we explained the purpose of the signs and flags ... and informed him what we were carrying ... he went a little white. And left.Done something similar. Sometimes you will get a :gob: and what ever they have in their mouths falls to the ground. Even false teeth.

[FJRider]

Can't say I have.

Only railway I ever worked on was underground, now that was scary.

One det on it's own might not take your hand off ... but you might wish it did. They can make a mess of your day.

I've been down a coal mine ... ONCE.

[eldog]

I once carted a tuck-load of auxiliary fuel tanks for The Skyhawks in Ohakea from Whenuapai ... Explosive signs and flags as they were empty but not cleaned out inside them. We stopped and ate our lunch well off the road. A car pulled in beside us and a guy climbed out and lit his pipe.

After we explained the purpose of the signs and flags ... and informed him what we were carrying ... he went a little white. And left.

I am the max height to fit into a Skyhawk. Been in 1 once on the ground.

[FJRider]

... I quite often see people cut in front of fuel tankers.
Those drivers must have some real patience

Dad drove fuel tankers in Invercargill for about 30 years. The biggest risk was when they were empty ... with just fumes.


People smoke filling their car at gas stations ... go figure.

[eldog]

One det on it's own might not take your hand off ... but you might wish it did. They can make a mess of your day.

I've been down a coal mine ... ONCE.

Never been down one, tried to get a look see but opportunity never came up.

Have help design, build, repair and sell coal mining equipment.

i work very closely with a person who has a lot of experience in this field and is a motorcyclist, a hoon by the sound of it.

[FJRider]

Done something similar. Sometimes you will get a :gob: and what ever they have in their mouths falls to the ground. Even false teeth.

And they ask what the flags ... KEEP CLEAR signs ... and what's the EXPLOSIVES sign means.


The blank looks we gave just confused them.

It was almost funny ... sort of ..

[Bonez]

I am the max height to fit into a Skyhawk. Been in 1 once on the ground.Use to pull the solo seats by just standing up behind them. Too bad if you suffered from vertigo. Being skinny and having long arms I got to do the lock wire jobs others couldn't reach.

[eldog]

And they ask what the flags ... KEEP CLEAR signs ... and what's the EXPLOSIVES sign means.


The blank looks we gave just confused them.

It was almost funny ... sort of ..

‘Ere will you hold this genade, while I just go around the side of the bunker with the pin:shifty:

[FJRider]

I am the max height to fit into a Skyhawk. Been in 1 once on the ground.

I drove staff cas in Wellington for a while. I took an Air Force chief up to Ohakea for an inspection ... I "Mentioned" I would like to sit in one.

I did ... for an hour and a half FLIGHT time.

I'm glad I hadn't had lunch.

[FJRider]

... and is a motorcyclist, a hoon by the sound of it.

Aren't they ALL ... :confused:

[eldog]

Aren't they ALL ... :confused:

No, I am definitely not a hoon:innocent:

occasionally may experience uncontrolled velocity surges.

trying not to attract any unwanted attention. (Except on KB Lol)

[FJRider]

‘Ere will you hold this genade, while I just go around the side of the bunker with the pin:shifty:

A Sergent I knew was killed when a recruit pulled the pin then dropped the grenade.

He lay on the grenade to save the recruit.

Nobody thought it was funny then.


Maybe you had to be there to see the funny side ...



if there was one.





Just saying ...

[FJRider]

No, I am definitely not a hoon:innocent:

Then you're doing it wrong ... :pinch:

[Bonez]

No, I am definitely not a hoon:innocent:

occasionally may experience uncontrolled velocity surges.On your private race course of course....:rolleyes:

[FJRider]

On your private race course of course....:rolleyes:

A closed and private road is all that is required. That's where I do my speed trials ... :innocent:


But I've still never had the FJ flat out.

[eldog]

A Sergent I knew was killed when a recruit pulled the pin then dropped the grenade.

He lay on the grenade to save the recruit.

Nobody thought it was funny then.


Maybe you had to be there to see the funny side ...



if there was one.





Just saying ...

That story not funny.

that sergeant should be a hero

[FJRider]

That story not funny.

that sergeant should be a hero

He was awarded the George Cross.









Posthumously.

[eldog]

On your private race course of course....:rolleyes:

As far as I know, there is no time restriction getting from 0 to 100 kph

[eldog]

He was awarded the George Cross.









Posthumously.

Ok well deserved.
but didn’t help him. You only get 1 life.
sometimes I wonder why I hang around.:facepalm:

[FJRider]

Ok well deserved.
but didn’t help him. You only get 1 life.
sometimes I wonder why I hang around.:facepalm:

I had regular Ambulance driver duty in most camps at one time or another. Got called out to civvy prangs often.

The mess some stupid drunken pricks put their families into made me cry a few times.

And just when you think you've seen it all ... you get another one. And it's no easier to deal with than the others.




I don't envy the Ambo's nowadays either.



Just saying.

[FJRider]

As far as I know, there is no time restriction getting from 0 to 100 kph

I can almost do it in first ... :calm:

[eldog]

I can almost do it in first ... :calm:

I haven’t tried it, but probably could do it.
so much nicer on the engine changing to second, then my mate passes me on his bike as if I had stopped.:crazy:

[eldog]

I had regular Ambulance driver duty in most camps at one time or another. Got called out to civvy prangs often.

The mess some stupid drunken pricks put their families into made me cry a few times.

And just when you think you've seen it all ... you get another one. And it's no easier to deal with than the others.




I don't envy the Ambo's nowadays either.



Just saying.
me niether

I saw one of my mates die last year, heart attack, nothing we did helped.
we just didn’t realise he was having classic nausea, but no chest pain.
its taken me 6 months to admit to myself how I miss him, even though we clashed at times we both had the same goal.
another motorcyclist gone.

10 ambo and fire personnel turned up for that within 5 minutes
3+ police

[Big Dog]

‘Ere will you hold this genade, while I just go around the side of the bunker with the pin:shifty:
A Sergent I knew was killed when a recruit pulled the pin then dropped the grenade.

He lay on the grenade to save the recruit.

Nobody thought it was funny then.


Maybe you had to be there to see the funny side ...



if there was one.





Just saying ...At high school some army brat brought a couple of training grenades to school.
Looked like the real thing except for a plastic plug in the bottom.
One of the ball shaped ones and a classic pineapple.

Some seniors were giving the juniors a hard time.
Taking the pins out and making them hold them at arm's length or taking the pins out and slipping the arm off while keeping the trigger plate depressed etc.

So the dorm is on parade one night for some sort of imagined infraction by the dorm prefects.

A senior bowls up, instructs me to put my hand out palm up, puts the ball type grenade in my hand, closes my hand around the arm and pulled the pin.

Unknown to him I was in on the gag as the seniors knowing of my interest in militaría had had me blow a few rumors around campus about how the year before a live grenade had gone off in the swamp on the school farm.

Clearly the oaf towing over me wasn't in on the gag.
The look was priceless when I opened my hand releasing the arm and tossed him the dummy grenade.

Never seen a room empty so fast.

Not the first night I spent on the run, nor the last but totally worth it.

[FJRider]

I haven’t tried it, but probably could do it.
so much nicer on the engine changing to second, then my mate passes me on his bike as if I had stopped.:crazy:

There is a hill (for want of a better word) north of Dunedin known as the Kilmog. I was heading north (uphill) on the FJ .. a "little" over the posted limit (as you do) ... and came up on a hardly dangerous. I sort of slowed a bit ... gave him a wave .. and throttled up again.

He dropped a cog and gave it the gas ... which didn't improve his speed much. So he dropped another cog.

The view I saw in my mirror was an HD literally stalling and going end over end forwards uphill.

I turned around and went back. He was ok. Blood loss wasn't extreme. Wasn't happy ... but ok.

Some of the chrome on the HD was still ok.

I bet he wished his chaps covered his ass too.

They didn't.

I called an Ambo and left.

[eldog]

I
There is a hill (for want of a better word) north of Dunedin known as the Kilmog. I was heading north (uphill) on the FJ .. a "little" over the posted limit (as you do) ... and came up on a hardly dangerous. I sort of slowed a bit ... gave him a wave .. and throttled up again.

He dropped a cog and gave it the gas ... which didn't improve his speed much. So he dropped another cog.

The view I saw in my mirror was an HD literally stalling and going end over end forwards uphill.

I turned around and went back. He was ok. Blood loss wasn't extreme. Wasn't happy ... but ok.

Some of the chrome on the HD was still ok.

I bet he wished his chaps covered his ass too.

They didn't.

I called an Ambo and left.

That was the decent thing to do.

a chap should always cover his arse.

[FJRider]

At high school some army brat brought a couple of training grenades to school.


I gave a few thunderflashes to a nephew to "Play" with. He took them to school.

He had Police ... (armed offenders) ... Fire and Ambo's ... by the dozen at his (Prmary) school before the day was over.



Kid's eh ...

[FJRider]

... a chap should always cover his arse.

A life ethic ... right there ... :devil2:

[eldog]

I gave a few thunderflashes to a nephew to "Play" with. He took them to school.

He had Police ... (armed offenders) ... Fire and Ambo's ... by the dozen at his (Prmary) school before the day was over.



Kid's eh ...

glad you expanded on that, the mind boggles with giving thunderflashes to nephew.....:wacko:
straight after writing about HD rider and his chaps

[FJRider]

glad you expanded on that, the mind boggles with giving thunderflashes to nephew.....:wacko:
straight after writing about HD rider and his chaps

I was young and silly then.



The only thing that changed ... was getting older.

[eldog]

A life ethic ... right there ... :devil2:

:dodge:Too much information

[eldog]

I was young and silly then.



The only thing that changed ... was getting older.

I am still young and silly
getting more like a grumpy old man as I get older.

Sheltered life I guess

a lot less tolerant than I used to be.

much like the tolerance on speed lately, still wrong in my view

still learning, open to new ideas.

[FJRider]

I am still young and silly
getting more like a grumpy old man as I get older.

Sheltered life I guess

a lot less tolerant than I used to be.

much like the tolerance on speed lately, still wrong in my view

I thought I was still young too. The grey hair and wrinkles bore the truth.

Not so much sheltered ... but I grew up (a definite maybe and open for dispute) in a somewhat different era.

Normal has changed. And depending on whom you talk to about that ... being better or worse is still open for dispute.



Such is life nowadays ...



Just saying ... :wacko:

[Big Dog]

I gave a few thunderflashes to a nephew to "Play" with. He took them to school.

He had Police ... (armed offenders) ... Fire and Ambo's ... by the dozen at his (Prmary) school before the day was over.



Kid's eh ...I was a student at primary schools in the 70s and 80s so it's not really a shock toy guns were allowed.
Playing war at break was just what boys did.
There were a few confiscations because a child brought real guns to school.
Usually only slug guns but I do recall a Luger being confiscated when I was at Cockle Bay primary in either '79 or '80.

I also remember the day what seemed like every cop in Rotorua turned up to Lynmore primary in either '83 or '84 because a kid was brandishing a particularly authentic looking automatic style cap gun.

I also remember seeing ann unarmed cop walking slowly toward a classroom with his hands up, clearly still unsure of real or not.

Funnily enough at assembly the next day the school banned bringing any sort of gun to school other than clear or neon plastic easter pistols.

I seem to recall in the late 80's or early nineties while I was still at high school a boy in either the states or Australia being shot dead after brandishing a plastic 1911 replica bb gun and refusing to surrender it to AOS.

It was brought up at assembly in a discussion about why you should always comply with reasonable requests from authority.

Shortly the after there was a spate of armed robberies using toy guns...

[Bonez]

I am still young and silly
getting more like a grumpy old man as I get older.

Sheltered life I guess

a lot less tolerant than I used to be.

much like the tolerance on speed lately, still wrong in my viewAge does does that. Connie says I haven't lost the silly bit though. Going through another childhood phase apparently.

1, 2, 3, 4.........

[eldog]

I thought I was still young too. The grey hair and wrinkles bore the truth.

Not so much sheltered ... but I grew up (a definite maybe and open for dispute) in a somewhat different era.

Normal has changed. And depending on whom you talk to about that ... being better or worse is still open for dispute.



Such is life nowadays ...



Just saying ... :wacko:

Grey hair = wisdom
wrinkles = experience

sounds like you are doing well in the school of hard knocks

[Big Dog]

Growing old is not mandatory, it is the preferable of the two options.

Growing up, that is optional.

[FJRider]

I was a student at primary schools in the 70s and 80s so it's not really a shock toy guns were allowed.
Playing war at break was just what boys did.
There were a few confiscations because a child brought real guns to school.
Usually only slug guns but I do recall a Luger being confiscated when I was at Cockle Bay primary in either '79 or '80.

I also remember the day what seemed like every cop in Rotorua turned up to Lynmore primary in either '83 or '84 because a kid was brandishing a particularly authentic looking automatic style cap gun.

I also remember seeing ann unarmed cop walking slowly toward a classroom with his hands up, clearly still unsure of real or not.

Funnily enough at assembly the next day the school banned bringing any sort of gun to school other than clear or neon plastic easter pistols.

I seem to recall in the late 80's or early nineties while I was still at high school a boy in either the states or Australia being shot dead after brandishing a plastic 1911 replica bb gun and refusing to surrender it to AOS.

It was brought up at assembly in a discussion about why you should always comply with reasonable requests from authority.

Shortly the after there was a spate of armed robberies using toy guns...

I can recall a classmate at primary school circa 1963-64 ... bringing an older brothers 303 to school ... and showing the class how to load it (with REAL ammo)


There were a few questions asked over that matter ... :lol:



And before you ask ... it wasn't me.


If I'd thought of it first ... I might have.

[eldog]

Age does does that. Connie says I haven't lost the silly bit though. Going through another childhood phase apparently.

1, 2, 3, 4.........

Coming ready or not:woohoo:

[eldog]

Growing old is not mandatory, it is the preferable of the two options.

Growing up, that is optional.

Resisting growing up.

unfortunately resistance is futile

but worth trying

[FJRider]

Grey hair = wisdom
wrinkles = experience

sounds like you are doing well in the school of hard knocks

The excitement of waking up and wondering what shit you'll get up to ... or what shit will be thrown at you ... has thankfully (for the most part) ... GONE.

One of my life's regrets is not that.

[ellipsis]

Grey hair = wisdom
wrinkles = experience




well...not really. more like age...

...wisdom is not sought. it comes with learning from mistakes and applying that knowledge to future counsel and decisions and is almost a discipline...


...experience just hanging on to the beast until you know it's weaknesses...

[eldog]

The excitement of waking up and wondering what shit you'll get up to ... or what shit will be thrown at you ... has thankfully (for the most part) ... GONE.

One of my life's regrets is not that.

I had a few days at home during the lockdown, even though I was working it was nice to get up when I wanted to, rather than having to open a workshop for wait and see if other people turned up or not.

the number of sickies always equals those a person is allocated per year.

some numb nut is advocating doubling the number of “sick days”

considering I have had none during my working life, do I get a bonus?

i did like the low traffic

but thought funny the number of people who were desparate to have a takeaway once restrictions lifted. The queues were so long.

[eldog]

well...not really. more like age...

...wisdom is not sought. it comes with learning from mistakes and applying that knowledge to future counsel and decisions and is almost a discipline...


...experience just hanging on to the beast until you know it's weaknesses...

I still have a lot of learning to do.

you summed it up nicely.:niceone:

[FJRider]

I had a few days at home during the lockdown, even though I was working it was nice to get up when I wanted to, rather than having to open a workshop for wait and see if other people turned up or not.

the number of sickies always equals those a person is allocated per year.

some numb nut is advocating doubling the number of “sick days”

considering I have had none during my working life, do I get a bonus?

Yep ... the bonus of knowing you did the right thing.


The downside ... is knowing you won't be paid any extra for that.



Life is sometimes too strange and complicated to enjoy.



But try anyway. What have you got to lose .. ??

[Big Dog]

I can recall a classmate at primary school circa 1963-64 ... bringing an older brothers 303 to school ... and showing the class how to load it (with REAL ammo)


There were a few questions asked over that matter ... [emoji38]



And before you ask ... it wasn't me.


If I'd thought of it first ... I might have.ROFL.
I did wonder.

[eldog]

Yep ... the bonus of knowing you did the right thing.


The downside ... is knowing you won't be paid any extra for that.



Life is sometimes too strange and complicated to enjoy.



But try anyway. What have you got to lose .. ??

Having to deal with ignorant people everyday can be depressing.
esp, when you work so hard to make their life easier.

since a long time friend and customer passed away, I took on his role as well as my own, it’s a hell of a lot of work, looks as easy as, plenty of behind the scenes calcs and planning etc.
but when i make a deal, that is so rewarding, as well as when I go back once the goods are working, the happy customer brings a really nice feeling.

its really the reason I keep going.

unfortunately it isn’t enough $$$ to live on, full time.

i don’t get enough time to do it properly, it’s the old chicken and egg problem.

and being quiet and shy doesn’t help (keyboard warrior)

[FJRider]

well...not really. more like age...

...wisdom is not sought. it comes with learning from mistakes and applying that knowledge to future counsel and decisions and is almost a discipline...


...experience just hanging on to the beast until you know it's weaknesses...

My thought pattern was more like ... What's the worst that could happen .. ???

The excitement of finding out was almost unbearable.

As was ... The pain ... when finding out what the worst that could happen ... actually was.


If your not living life on the edge ... you're taking up space.

[FJRider]

Having to deal with ignorant people everyday can be depressing.
esp, when you work so hard to make their life easier.

since a long time friend and customer passed away, I took on his role as well as my own, it’s a hell of a lot of work, looks as easy as, plenty of behind the scenes calcs and planning etc.
but when i make a deal, that is so rewarding, as well as when I go back once the goods are working, the happy customer brings a really nice feeling.

its really the reason I keep going.

unfortunately it isn’t enough $$$ to live on, full time.

i don’t get enough time to do it properly, it’s the old chicken and egg problem.

and being quiet and shy doesn’t help (keyboard warrior)

It is a little known fact that someone good at their job makes it appear (to the unknowing) VERY easy.

Be proud of your efforts ... be proud that you have that attitude.

Be happy to continue with that attitude.

But if you can't be ... move on. Life is too short to not enjoy what you do.

[eldog]

It is a little known fact that someone good at their job makes it appear (to the unknowing) VERY easy.

Be proud of your efforts ... be proud that you have that attitude.

Be happy to continue with that attitude.

But if you can't be ... move on. Life is too short to not enjoy what you do.


I do do enjoy what I do, no question there is no other job like it anywhere.
variety, opportunity, in a good facility.

never quite enough money, or almost come right, then economy stops etc.

its having to deal with self interest arseholes all day everyday......

Riding the bike, gets me away from this.

getting better at organising stuff.

[FJRider]

I do do enjoy what I do, no question there is no other job like it anywhere.
variety, opportunity, in a good facility.

never quite enough money, or almost come right, then economy stops etc.

its having to deal with self interest arseholes all day everyday......

Riding the bike, gets me away from this.

getting better at organising stuff.

I used to post lot's of photo's of my motorcycle rides ... but nowadays ... it's my PRIVATE time. ME time. And usually with no camera.

The "Self interest" time of my own.

Make sure YOU get that same self interest time for yourself doing whatever. The rest ... well ... it's bearable at worst.

[onearmedbandit]

You guys need to start a Saturday Night Rant thread...

[eldog]

I used to post lot's of photo's of my motorcycle rides ... but nowadays ... it's my PRIVATE time. ME time. And usually with no camera.

The "Self interest" time of my own.

Make sure YOU get that same self interest time for yourself doing whatever. The rest ... well ... it's bearable at worst.

Getting there.:yes:
motorcycles and rides like North Island 800 have really helped.

been given tasks and sorting them out is what I enjoy the most.
Occasionally I need help, like minded people are really rewarding to work with.

got a big ride scheduled for next weekend weather permitting, all weekend down to me mates place 550 km away
and back on Sunday.

NI800 weekend after. Will be raining, it always has been everytime I have gone for a ride there. Still have smile on dial even 12 hours later when I finish.

hopefully Banditbandit will be there this year

[FJRider]

Getting there.:yes:
motorcycles and rides like North Island 800 have really helped.

been given tasks and sorting them out is what I enjoy the most.
Occasionally I need help, like minded people are really rewarding to work with.

got a big ride scheduled for next weekend weather permitting, all weekend down to me mates place 550 km away

Time for you to step up ... I have completed six Chatto Creek 1000 MILE rallys. Five on the FJ and one on an XJ750.

1635 km's of moving in 24 hours.

I think there is one in the North Island ...

[FJRider]

You guys need to start a Saturday Night Rant thread...

It's bad enough that some show up late for this thread ... :lol:

[caspernz]

You guys need to start a Saturday Night Rant thread...

Or a Sunday morning one for those who don't go to church :sweatdrop or actually ride :eek5:

[Bonez]

Getting ready to go for skoot. Cracker morning over this way. Tuis are out and about in our trees.:drinknsin

[eldog]

Or a Sunday morning one for those who don't go to church :sweatdrop or actually ride :eek5:

Saving up my energy for next 2 weekend rides:woohoo:

[eldog]

You guys need to start a Saturday Night Rant thread...

True

Was about time there was a rant involving more than 2 people.

We did try to keep it on thread topic, but Bonez had to go to bed for his beauty sleep.

[eldog]

Time for you to step up ... I have completed six Chatto Creek 1000 MILE rallys. Five on the FJ and one on an XJ750.

1635 km's of moving in 24 hours.

I think there is one in the North Island ...

long distance riders 1600 k in 2 weeks time

I do the 800 version

The only prep I will do will be the ride next weekend and the ride down to turangi the night before from akl.

Not enough time or skill for 1600 prep.

[Bonez]

long distance riders 1600 k in 2 weeks time

I do the 800 version

The only prep I will do will be the ride next weekend and the ride down to turangi the night before from akl.

Not enough time or skill for 1600 prep.Not every one is up to it mate. Just don't feel pressured to keep up with other folk.

Just about to pop over and see Dad at Havelock North.

Those bits of road that don't get much sun should have thawed out by now.

[Kickaha]

Not enough time or skill for 1600 prep.

My prep for 1600km rides involved riding to the starting point

[eldog]

Not every one is up to it mate. Just don't feel pressured to keep up with other folk.

Just about to pop over and see Dad at Havelock North.

Those bits of road that don't get much sun should have thawed out by now.

I ride my own ride, I learnt that by myself.

have a good ride

Havelock North the weather has always been nice when I have been there.

[eldog]

My prep for 1600km rides involved riding to the starting point

Via Tapawera?

Expect rain as usual when we ride

[FJRider]

long distance riders 1600 k in 2 weeks time

I do the 800 version

The only prep I will do will be the ride next weekend and the ride down to turangi the night before from akl.

Not enough time or skill for 1600 prep.

There are many that consider a ride consisting of two tanks of fuel used ... is a long ride.

The 1600 km rides involve night riding ... and those not really comfortable riding at night do struggle. And you do find yourself in some out of the way places at 2am in the morning. The urge to pull over and sleep then is hard to fight. A fair portion of self confidence in your own ability helps.

But there are some really spectacular and memorable (magic) moments on those sorts of rides.

Those that start it and pull out ... always had my respect. As do those that know their own limitations and don't start.

The first 1600 one I started I crashed in daylight. The second one I started on the same XJ750 ... I finished it 2 hours before the 24 hour limit to finish.

Two 600 km (back to back) day rides is good prep ... and a 500 km night ride is good prep.

[eldog]

There are many that consider a ride consisting of two tanks of fuel used ... is a long ride.

The 1600 km rides involve night riding ... and those not really comfortable riding at night do struggle. And you do find yourself in some out of the way places at 2am in the morning. The urge to pull over and sleep then is hard to fight. A fair portion of self confidence in your own ability helps.

But there are some really spectacular and memorable (magic) moments on those sorts of rides.

Those that start it and pull out ... always had my respect. As do those that know their own limitations and don't start.

The first 1600 one I started I crashed in daylight. The second one I started on the same XJ750 ... I finished it 2 hours before the 24 hour limit to finish.

Two 600 km (back to back) day rides is good prep ... and a 500 km night ride is good prep.


I respect that and understand it.

Time and fitness are my only restraints ATM

I have completed all of the NI800 so far.
The first one I was awake for almost the whole night before - nervous and frozen.
made it though.

great feeling when you mix with fellow riders with the same goal, even when you don't know them, they are always very helpful and supportive.

Planning on completing 2x 600 km (probably a lot more on one day) back to back next weekend

not so sure about the 500km ride at night-never tried it.

18 hours is the most so far.

often its 4 tank fulls, I prefer to be careful so I dont run out. Most of these rides are in places I have never been to, so its a challenge :2thumbsup

[release_the_bees]

This year is the first year in a while that I'm not attending for the NI800. The limited places this year, plus a one month old baby in the house mean that I'll have to skip it this year. I'll probably go for a decent ride on the day, so that I'm at least out on the road riding.

I'm still trying to figure out a way to get time to do the TT though. I did it for the first time this year and it was an absolute blast. Realistically though, I'll probably have to wait another year for that too.

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[FJRider]

I respect that and understand it.

Time and fitness are my only restraints ATM

I have completed all of the NI800 so far.
The first one I was awake for almost the whole night before - nervous and frozen.
made it though.

great feeling when you mix with fellow riders with the same goal, even when you don't know them, they are always very helpful and supportive.

Planning on completing 2x 600 km (probably a lot more on one day) back to back next weekend

not so sure about the 500km ride at night-never tried it.

18 hours is the most so far.

often its 4 tank fulls, I prefer to be careful so I dont run out. Most of these rides are in places I have never been to, so its a challenge :2thumbsup

You have done more than many then. Your first one sounds like my first 1000 mile ride. Keep your mind busy working on keeping your average speed up. Concern yourself with the road directly in front of you. Thats the bit that needs your full attention. Follow another bike if they are going at a pace you are happy with. If you aren't happy .. back off or speed up. You decide.

Midnight and a full moon can be amazing. Even a tank of gas ride at night to get familiar with night riding helps. A 10 litre container of fuel is a good idea. It gives you a bit of leeway to get somewhere in areas you're not familiar with.

Remember ... a 1000 mile ride can be achieved in 24 hours ... with an average speed of 40 km/hr. That includes the time when you're stopped and fueling up. Easy eh ... :lol:

Constant and consistent speeds with no excessive changes in throttle actions will save fuel. AND TIME. And no real requirement to exceed any posted speed limits. But sitting on 105 km/hr usually attracts less attention from plod than sitting on 120 km/hr. It gives a good average speed base and easy on most roads to achieve.

Dehydration can be an issue ... that air moving past you literally sucks the juice out of you. A small bottle you can sip/suck out of with you helmet on is good. Go easy on the energy drinks ... that stuff is hard on your gut. Easy to eat snacks (self prepared) are good. You need fuel too.

Don't get cold. It saps energy real fast. Carry a few extra layers in a bag if you can ... and have space to put stuff you might need/want to take off if you get hot..

Practice doing all of the above on afternoon rides ... not necessarily all of it on any given ride. But knowing what works (or not) will save you grief when you don't need it. Minor issues can turn into big issues fast.

Keep your mind active and your eyes open.

[Kickaha]

Via Tapawera?

Rangiora to Turangi, 730km




Remember ... a 1000 mile ride can be achieved in 24 hours ... with an average speed of 40 km/hr. That includes the time when you're stopped and fueling up. Easy eh ... :lol:


From memory my average was 88kmh, hampered by a 15 litre fuel tank, 19.5 hours, both times, in contrast the 1000km one I did in day time on the same bike was a 100kmh average

[FJRider]

Rangiora to Turangi, 730km



From memory my average was 88kmh, hampered by a 15 litre fuel tank, 19.5 hours, both times, in contrast the 1000km one I did in day time on the same bike was a 100kmh average

The Chatto Creek one ... which started at Noon saturday and finished noon sunday ... had some entrants (Four) arriving back at 2 AM. Having completed the FULL distance. And NO speeding tickets.

Ask Racing Dave about that one ... HE was there ... Literally ... :lol:

[pritch]

Remember ... a 1000 mile ride can be achieved in 24 hours ... with an average speed of 40 km/hr. That includes the time when you're stopped and fueling up. Easy eh ... :lol:



Not having ridden one such, and at this stage having no attention of doing so, I'm somewhat diffident about questioning your expertise. Should that not be 40mph? Say 65kph in round figures.

[FJRider]

From memory my average was 88kmh, hampered by a 15 litre fuel tank, 19.5 hours, both times, in contrast the 1000km one I did in day time on the same bike was a 100kmh average

So when you were munching on a luke warm pie at a gas station ... you were still averaging 88 km/hr.

Do the sums on the average you would need to get home 10 hours early.

Talk about WOW ...

[FJRider]

Not having ridden one such, and at this stage having no attention of doing so, I'm somewhat diffident about questioning your expertise. Should that not be 40mph? Say 65kph in round figures.

No 40 km/hr. That is average speed required to finish under/on time. Not MOVING average.

[pritch]

No 40 km/hr. That is average speed required to finish under/on time. Not MOVING average.

You are dividing 1000miles by 24 and getting your answer in kilometres? Multiplying 40kph by 24 = 960kilometres which is only 596 miles. You're going to come up four hundred miles short surely.

[MarkW]

No 40 km/hr. That is average speed required to finish under/on time. Not MOVING average.

1000 Kilometres in 24 hours requires an average speed of 41.66666 kilometres per hour but 1000 MILES in 24 hours requires an average speed of 41.66666 MILES per hour.

And last time I looked 41.66666 Miles per hour is just over 67 kilometres per hour.

So sorry FJRider your maths is wrong.

To complete 1,000 MILES in 24 hours riding time one needs to average 67 kilometres per hour.

But having completed a large number of the Rusty Nuts 1,000 milers over the years I do agree that sitting at sensible speeds consistently is the secret to completing the event.

[FJRider]

You are dividing 1000miles by 24 and getting your answer in kilometres? Multiplying 40kph by 24 = 960kilometres which is only 596 miles. You're going to come up four hundred miles short surely.

I checked my calculator ... I WAS WRONG. :pinch: 68.125 km/hr for 24 hours will get you there ... so 70 km/h average will get you home under time.

Bugger I hate it when I do that ... :facepalm:

Thank you for correcting me ... :2thumbsup

[eldog]

In my case, I would have to agree with others

800 km in 12 hours = 66.6666 km/hr average speed.

which just happens to be my average speed as well :sweatdrop - no room for errors

often touch and go whether I make it within the time limit

last time it was pissing down and very dark

I was riding with another rider who had no GPS and very poor lighting

when it got to a place where he could make it (only 3 turns left) I picked up the pace a little bit and left him behind

I was torn between staying with him and missing out on time etc and picking up the speed only just a tad.

Was very relieved I made it and more so when he turned up and squeeked within time.


no pies

[eldog]

I checked my ABACUS ... I WAS WRONG. :pinch: 68.125 km/hr for 24 hours will get you there ... so 70 km/h average will get you home under time.

Bugger I hate it when I do that ... :facepalm:

Thank you for correcting me ... :2thumbsup

fixed it for ya:shutup:

[FJRider]

1000 Kilometres in 24 hours requires an average speed of 41.66666 kilometres per hour but 1000 MILES in 24 hours requires an average speed of 41.66666 MILES per hour.

And last time I looked 41.66666 Miles per hour is just over 67 kilometres per hour.

So sorry FJRider your maths is wrong.

To complete 1,000 MILES in 24 hours riding time one needs to average 67 kilometres per hour.

But having completed a large number of the Rusty Nuts 1,000 milers over the years I do agree that sitting at sensible speeds consistently is the secret to completing the event.

YES that has been pointed out. Thank you for bringing it to my attention.

I hope your day is going better than mine ... :2thumbsup

[Dean]

I checked my calculator ... I WAS WRONG. :pinch: 68.125 km/hr for 24 hours will get you there ... so 70 km/h average will get you home under time.

Bugger I hate it when I do that ... :facepalm:


:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

[FJRider]

fixed it for ya:shutup:

appreciate that ... :innocent:

Fucking Chinese ...

[FJRider]

In my case, I would have to agree with others

800 km in 12 hours = 66.6666 km/hr average speed.

which just happens to be my average speed as well :sweatdrop - no room for errors

often touch and go whether I make it within the time limit

last time it was pissing down and very dark

I was riding with another rider who had no GPS and very poor lighting

when it got to a place where he could make it (only 3 turns left) I picked up the pace a little bit and left him behind

I was torn between staying with him and missing out on time etc and picking up the speed only just a tad.

Was very relieved I made it and more so when he turned up and squeeked within time.


no pies

I was wrong yes ... moving on ... :whistle:

I never used GPS. I know my way around (the South Island especially) so I carry a good map book to check distance to gas stations from any given point where I am.

Consistent speed makes the difference ... rather than fast then slow.

Practice rides always go better than on the day. I got snow one year.


I slowed for a guy with engine issues ... until we got to a garage. I carried on. He did finish ... about two hours after me.


These sorts of rides are a personal challenge. Your time and your difficulty ... do not feel pressured by me or anybody else.

Keep calm ... think about what you are doing ... and stay safe. Practice rides for just one tank (or less) of fuel ... concentrating on good average speeds help.

[eldog]

cornering thats where I lose so much time.

too cautious, I dont rate my skill in a car vs motorbike collision situation


I spent 5 years travelling to work on windy roads, so often came across drivers on my side of the road
The look of horror when they saw me coming.
quite a few close calls.

the road has been widened and sort of fixed since I used to drive on it.

I ride it occasionally, always remembering the shit bits - they are still there - never fixed, just bandaided

if your going to drive like Senna, then stay on your side of the road.

[release_the_bees]

last time it was pissing down and very dark

I was riding with another rider who had no GPS and very poor lighting

when it got to a place where he could make it (only 3 turns left) I picked up the pace a little bit and left him behind

I was torn between staying with him and missing out on time etc and picking up the speed only just a tad.

Was very relieved I made it and more so when he turned up and squeeked within time.


no piesMy experience last time was very similar to yours. I met a couple of riders at a checkpoint with no GPS and no cell phone signal for their maps app and said they could tag along with me.

One was on a bike with a 12 litre tank, if I remember correctly, so I ended up stopping a lot more often than I needed to. They were also fairly cautious riders, even by my standards, so I ended up doing quite a bit of waiting at some checkpoints while they caught up.

I also lost them somewhere after Te Kuiti as I thought they were in my mirrors, but it turned out (I think) to be a couple of riders from the 1600 ride catching up with me. I pulled over on the side of the road and waited for around 10 minutes for them to catch up. Luckily they hadn't taken a wrong turn somewhere or they would have been seriously lost.

At the last checkpoint I said my goodbyes and gave them verbal directions back to Turangi and then seriously picked up the pace. In the end, I made it back with one minute to spare. My last 100 km in the pissing rain was probably my quickest of the whole day.

It was still a great day of riding though. Despite my comments above it definitely added to the whole experience - I thoroughly enjoyed the last few hours riding against the clock trying to get back within the 12 hour time limit.

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[pritch]

Thank you for correcting me ... :2thumbsup

Damn decent of you. :drinkup:

[FJRider]

cornering thats where I lose so much time.



Yes it does for me too.

Bump up the speed a bit on the straights ... 105-110 km/hr depending on traffic volume.

Any more and plod will notice if they are about. In Otago ... they shake their finger (or fist ??) .. Hard to tell at over 120 km/hr

[FJRider]

My experience last time was very similar to yours. I met a couple of riders at a checkpoint with no GPS and no cell phone signal for their maps app and said they could tag along with me.

One was on a bike with a 12 litre tank if I remember correctly so I ended up stopping a lot more often.

I also lost them somewhere after Te Kuiti as I thought they were in my mirrors, but it turned out (I think) to be a couple of riders from the 1600 ride catching up with me. In the end, I made it back with one minute to spare. My last 100 km in the pissing rain was probably my quickest of the whole day.

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On one 1000 mile ride ... I found myself in Springs junction around midnight. I gassed up and braced myself for the Lewis pass ... in pitch darkness and a 30 watt headlight bulb. Another entrant stopped (CX500 turbo) I explained my light issue to him. He just said follow my tail light.

I did.

I don't remember much about the road ... or what speed I was going ... I just followed that dam tail light.

[eldog]

My experience last time was very similar to yours. I met a couple of riders at a checkpoint with no GPS and no cell phone signal for their maps app and said they could tag along with me.

One was on a bike with a 12 litre tank if I remember correctly so I ended up stopping a lot more often than I needed to. They were also fairly cautious riders, even by my standards, so I ended up doing quite a bit of waiting at some checkpoints while I caught up.

I also lost them somewhere after Te Kuiti as I thought they were in my mirrors, but it turned out (I think) to be a couple of riders from the 1600 ride catching up with me.

At the last checkpoint I gave them verbal directions back to Turangi and then seriously picked up the pace. In the end, I made it back with one minute to spare. My last 100 km in the pissing rain was probably my quickest of the whole day. It was still a great day of riding though. I thoroughly enjoyed the last few hours riding against the clock.

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You might have been with the guys who were waiting at the cross roads when we past through, they were waiting for one of their group - missing....

watching the time and distance counting down - had no idea if I was going to make it.

Banditbandit was there hurrying us inside.

[Bonez]

I ride my own ride, I learnt that by myself.

have a good ride

Havelock North the weather has always been nice when I have been there.Great ride. 320km all up. Most of it on premo back country roads. Caught up with both bros, a nephew and Dad. My brother, Micheal. has fitted a side car to Dads R80 and modifying it so Dad, who lost a leg because of diabetes. can ride it. It'll be good to see Dad riding again. I had the R80 for 10 years but I did not like it at all. But it kept it in the family. Anyway a great day all round.

[Kickaha]

So when you were munching on a luke warm pie at a gas station ... you were still averaging 88 km/hr.

Do the sums on the average you would need to get home 10 hours early.

Talk about WOW ...

My maths was wrong as well 82 kmh average, I think I ate twice, most times just gas and go, I was trying to sit on 110-120 as much as possible, there were people a lot faster than me


One guy on an F1 Ducati was towed the last 150kmh behind an 1100 Katana just to finish, I'd upped my speed to 140kmh for that stretch, I passed them but they arrived within 10 minutes of me

[FJRider]

One guy on an F1 Ducati was towed the last 150kmh behind an 1100 Katana just to finish, I'd upped my speed to 140kmh for that stretch, I passed them but they arrived within 10 minutes of me

I towed a 750 honda (With a broken chain) through the Lewis to springs junction. I had a GS1000s. Ground the broken link off in a garage workshop there (It was a weekend so no workshop staff on duty). Replaced the chain with the existing joining link and he was on his way.

Two hours of work and hassle ... and not even a thank you.

[ellipsis]

I towed a 750 honda (With a broken chain) through the Lewis to springs junction. I had a GS1000s. Ground the broken link off in a garage workshop there (It was a weekend so no workshop staff on duty). Replaced the chain with the existing joining link and he was on his way.

Two hours of work and hassle ... and not even a thank you.


...and?...

[eldog]

...and?...

he wanted to be on the KB christmas card list....

[FJRider]

he wanted to be on the KB christmas card list....

No ... the honda riders Club Christmas car list. But that was before I learned they were all gay.

Bastards ...

[Bonez]

No ... the honda riders Club Christmas car list. But that was before I learned they were all gay.

Bastards ...Honda m/c riders club has a car list?


Interesting.

[eldog]

No ... the honda riders Club Christmas car list. But that was before I learned they were all gay.

Bastards ...


You never know who is a Honda rider.....:whistle:

they can certainly build good motorcycles and lots of them.

[FJRider]

Honda m/c riders club has a car list?


Interesting.

You didn't know that ... amazing ... <_<

[eldog]

Honda m/c riders club has a car list?


Interesting.


Christmas CAR list - with a red Cherry on the top
they also have get out of jail free cards - who knew:dodge:

[FJRider]

You never know who is a Honda rider.....:whistle:

they can certainly build good motorcycles and lots of them.

Well ... lots of them anyway.

Individual choice has a lot to answer for.

And the r key on my lap-top is not playing the game.

I used to ride honda ... :eek:

[eldog]

Well ... lots of them anyway.

Individual choice has a lot to answer for.

And the r key on my lap-top is not playing the game.

I used to ride honda ... :eek:

Arrgh :spanking: the R key

autospell check often throws up some interesting combinations:weird:

[FJRider]

Arrgh :spanking: the R key

autospell check often throws up some interesting combinations:weird:

It does.

The good thing is ... I'm learning new words every day.




Win win situation ... ??? :lol:

[FJRider]

Christmas CAR list - with a red Cherry on the top
they also have get out of jail free cards - who knew:dodge:

The only cards I get is Go to jail, Directly to jail, Do not pass go.


Who the fuck is go .. ???

I've never met the prick ... :eek5:

[eldog]

It does.

The good thing is ... I'm learning new words every day.




Win win situation ... ??? :lol:


you sure its the R key? or does it get stuck?

there is a whole alphabet of words to learn:scooter:

[eldog]

The only cards I get is Go to jail, Directly to jail, Do not pass go.


Who the fuck is go .. ???

I've never met the prick ... :eek5:

His name is Go Al

[FJRider]

you sure its the R key? or does it get stuck?

there is a whole alphabet of words to learn:scooter:

Yep the r key.

What is needed is more beer.


It wont solve the issue ... but I'll be too drunk to care.



Therefore ... no issue.






Sometimes life is easy ... :laugh:

[FJRider]

His name is Go Al




Barstard ...

[R650R]

And how many people nowadays would take even the slightest notice of a red flag or dangerous goods truck.


People should actually be more worried about the trucks with no placards...

While I always obeyed the DG laws there are plenty of drivers who donÂ’t, either through plain ignorance/edumacation or desire to please boss/client and get the job done.

There’s a lot more dangerous substances out there than the “glamour” danger items of bombs or fuel tankers. Which we won’t discuss for obvious reasons... but you’d feel safer next to a petrol tanker if you knew what was onboard at times...

But now people are only scared of germs these days lol... I had a quiet laugh as I followed a stock truck on the bike today giving my immune system an update...

[eldog]

People should actually be more worried about the trucks with no placards...

While I always obeyed the DG laws there are plenty of drivers who donÂ’t, either through plain ignorance/edumacation or desire to please boss/client and get the job done.

There’s a lot more dangerous substances out there than the “glamour” danger items of bombs or fuel tankers. Which we won’t discuss for obvious reasons... but you’d feel safer next to a petrol tanker if you knew what was onboard at times...

But now people are only scared of germs these days lol... I had a quiet laugh as I followed a stock truck on the bike today giving my immune system an update...


I passed a full petrol tanker last thursday night
I felt more safer than normal than when passing a car

nice to see proper professional drivers on the road, giving way etc.

I dont cut in front of these vehicles like most.

the quality of truck drivers has decreased in the last few years......:wacko:

[FJRider]

... the quality of truck drivers has decreased in the last few years......:wacko:

A younger crowd with life insurance.


Their family will be ok.

[eldog]

A younger crowd with life insurance.


Their family will be ok.


Ahhh, no, I dont think so.

definitely less experience
life insurance - doubt it
lowest cost
bargain basement

a better quality driver used to be called steerers

[FJRider]

Ahhh, no, I dont think so.

definitely less experience
life insurance - doubt it
lowest cost
bargain basement

a better quality driver used to be called steerers

True ... but times have changed.

Life insurance can be bought ... usually before dangerous employment begins.

Not worth millions to the family after a death ... but it will pay a few bills.

[Racing Dave]

The Chatto Creek one ... which started at Noon saturday and finished noon sunday ... had some entrants (Four) arriving back at 2 AM. Having completed the FULL distance. And NO speeding tickets.

Ask Racing Dave about that one ... HE was there ... Literally ... :lol:

That year was amazing. No tickets, true - but opportunity for tickets was pretty high. I had a fast bike with a decent range and good lights. Hello, BMW K1200S. The course was a fast one, too, the weather was fine all the way, and a certain amount of Nth vs Sth pride at stake meant that it was all go from the start.

Tales over a beer will explain all the tactics needed for that pace. The overall average speed, including all stops, was 120km/h. Once only at that pace!

[Blackbird]

I passed a full petrol tanker last thursday night
I felt more safer than normal than when passing a car

nice to see proper professional drivers on the road, giving way etc.

I dont cut in front of these vehicles like most.

the quality of truck drivers has decreased in the last few years......:wacko:

The heavy truck drivers up our way are unfailingly professional, it's the lighter vehicles like courier vans that make me grind my teeth. The only big rig drivers which I reckon could do with a bit of a tune-up are in those filthy trucks which haul scrap steel on the Southern and s-w Motorways. They seem to love intimidating other motorists.

[mulletman]

Ive done a handfull of the 1000km Longest day rides in varying weather conditions with riders i know well and enjoyed most of them, my first one i did i was not prepared well at all and it was a loooong horrible day / evening learnt lots about prep that day. The furthest so far was 1220kms a couple years back that was a tough day , 11 or so hours of mostly cold rain and a only a few hours sunny dry conditions (Cheers Nelson) .

But it is always good to catch up with the other riders at the finish and see what route they had done and how their day was.

[FJRider]

Tales over a beer will explain all the tactics needed for that pace. The overall average speed, including all stops, was 120km/h. Once only at that pace!

Pete is still laughing at that pace set ... it was never beaten or equaled anywhere on an organized run (that I'm aware of).

Was that the weekend I was on the Checkpoint at Haast village .. ?? I recall you arriving and asking how many were already past. My answer was none.

I saw your face light up (understatement) ... :killingme

[Racing Dave]

Was that the weekend I was on the Checkpoint at Haast village .. ?? I recall you arriving and asking how many were already past. My answer was none.

I saw your face light up (understatement) ... :killingme

No, Trev, Haast was a different year. This was 2005, with the course roughly to Balclutha, Catlins, Tuatapere, Mossburn, Q'town, Alex, Dunedin, Waimate, Geraldine, Tekapo, Cromwell, and so to Chatto Creek.

Pete did look rather surprised when we arrived so early... He had a quiet word to me afterwards, about the pace.

For a number of reasons it seemed just to flow, and seemed quite safe, that time, but that was 15 years ago and attitudes to speeding and traffic density have changed since then. Fond memories, though.

The attached photo of the progress board is not to be taken as evidence of any wrong doing...

[FJRider]

No, Trev, Haast was a different year. This was 2005, with the course roughly to Balclutha, Catlins, Tuatapere, Mossburn, Q'town, Alex, Dunedin, Waimate, Geraldine, Tekapo, Cromwell, and so to Chatto Creek.

Pete did look rather surprised when we arrived so early... He had a quiet word to me afterwards, about the pace.

For a number of reasons it seemed just to flow, and seemed quite safe, that time, but that was 15 years ago and attitudes to speeding and traffic density have changed since then. Fond memories, though.

The attached photo of the progress board is not to be taken as evidence of any wrong doing...

Yes that was a dam good ride. The weather held for the most pat ... which made it easier for me. I even managed a few hours sleep in Waimate.

Pete was always worried about attracting unwanted attention from Plod. That (as far as I know) did not eventuate. The abilities of those involved however ... DID impress him.

Once I found myself attached to the tail end of a group of six going down the lower Buller gorge about 1am ... straight into a full moon. Bright enough (almost) to not need lights. The snaking tail lights at speed was epic. And as you say ... fondly remembered.

Yes ... I think those time boards always made interesting reading. I think THAT particular board STILL exists. You'll have to ask Pete about that though. His number hasn't changed ... and I'm sure he'd love to hear from you.

[Racing Dave]

Funnily enough, the two (ahem) firsts that I managed were both on bikes that were not particularly fast as such (Honda Varadero 1000 and Aprilia CapoNord 1000) but they were easy to ride briskly for long periods, in reasonable comfort. Barry Dick once told me, in the earlier days when he was on his Kwaka thou, that his theory was that if you finished quickly, then you didn't have time to get tired. He certainly was capable of that.

Fuel strategy always plays its part, by getting the most from a tank, and on the Varadero it was just possible to eke 400km. My planned refuel in Alex (this was the year of the figure-of-eight course) was at 401km. The bike stopped on the bridge over the Clutha, with the petrol station practically in sight. Luckily, I had a 4-litre tin, just in case...

Good times!

[FJRider]

Fuel strategy always plays its part, by getting the most from a tank, and on the Varadero it was just possible to eke 400km. My planned refuel in Alex (this was the year of the figure-of-eight course) was at 401km. The bike stopped on the bridge over the Clutha, with the petrol station practically in sight. Luckily, I had a 4-litre tin, just in case...

Good times!

I always had a container of fuel on board. A few times I've actually given it to another rider. It tends to get a bit lonely if you have to watch the fuel gauge. I had the fuel light come on at Wedderburn on the way home one time. I coasted down Tiger Hill to get me a few hundred meters more than I might have had fuel for. I had to borrow some to get home to Alexandra later.

[FJRider]

Funnily enough, the two (ahem) firsts that I managed were both on bikes that were not particularly fast as such (Honda Varadero 1000 and Aprilia CapoNord 1000) but they were easy to ride briskly for long periods, in reasonable comfort. Barry Dick once told me, in the earlier days when he was on his Kwaka thou, that his theory was that if you finished quickly, then you didn't have time to get tired. He certainly was capable of that.

Good times!

As I recall ... you could count the number of times you rode your OWN bike on those runs on your left hand. And still have a few fingers leftover.

The bike reviews you wrote were always very popular. And very well written.

Well done.

[Racing Dave]

As I recall ... you could count the number of times you rode your OWN bike on those runs on your left hand. And still have a few fingers leftover.

The bike reviews you wrote were always very popular. And very well written.

Well done.

One hand, missing three fingers... It was two! Once on my ST1100 and once on my R1200GSA. Thanks to Eric Wood Motorcycles, Rodney Faulkner (Canterbury Rides), and Blue Wing Honda, there were also bikes from H-D, Aprilia x 2, Moto Guzzi x 2, Honda, and BMW x 2. Each good in its own way, but none that I'd necessarily wish to own. Except maybe the Aprilia Futura - that was an absolute joy.

Looking back, there were only two bikes from Japan, which doesn't reflect what you see on the road. No breakdowns, no tickets, no punctures.

Thanks for the kind remarks regarding the Kiwi Rider articles.

On second thoughts, it was twice on my ST1100...

[R650R]

When are the new speeding fines coming in. Was being discussed elsewhere but I can’t find any news to confirm except about when the current review started.

[pritch]

When are the new speeding fines coming in. Was being discussed elsewhere but I can’t find any news to confirm except about when the current review started.

On speeding if not actually on fines. Coupla random thoughts. Currently you are walking if caught 40KPH over the limit. Don't forget the roadworks, you can lose your licence at about 75kph, 30 + 40 and a bit. So presumably in all these ever increasing 80kph areas 120kph will be the threshold of walking speed.

A related thought. In the areas that were reduced to 80kph locally, the passing lanes were removed. The gospel according to Waka Kotahi apparently says you cannot have passing lanes in 80kph areas. Interesting if the whole country is going 80kph.

I recall a former National chief traffic officer saying on TV that he couldn't understand why we were having so many head on accidents at the time. I could have assisted him with that. It was that the Police obsession with speed had created a situation where everybody (well almost everybody) was trying overtakes at 105kph. It seems we might be headed back to the future.

[Gremlin]

I recall a former National chief traffic officer saying on TV that he couldn't understand why we were having so many head on accidents at the time. I could have assisted him with that. It was that the Police obsession with speed had created a situation where everybody (well almost everybody) was trying overtakes at 105kph. It seems we might be headed back to the future.
That's the scary part... No idea how on earth their very own policies have an impact that they'd never thought of :weird:

[rastuscat]

On speeding if not actually on fines. Coupla random thoughts. Currently you are walking if caught 40KPH over the limit. Don't forget the roadworks, you can lose your licence at about 75kph, 30 + 40 and a bit. So presumably in all these ever increasing 80kph areas 120kph will be the threshold of walking speed.

Sorry for being a pedant.

A walk happens at any speed in excess of 40 kmh over a permanent speed limit. Like, 50 kmh in town, 40 kmh in town etc.

A walk happens at any speed in excess of 50 kmh over a temporary speed limit, e.g. road works.

Just a fine point, but worth knowing.

[rastuscat]

That's the scary part... No idea how on earth their very own policies have an impact that they'd never thought of :weird:

That's what happened when they decided to stop chasing stolen cars driven by young offenders. It was in response to young people getting killed in chases, and the public backlash that resulted.

The now apparent unintended consequence is that it has led to the rash of ram raids currently on the go, as the young offenders realise they are unlikely to get chased and caught.

It's the law.....................of unintended consequences.

[Berries]

A related thought. In the areas that were reduced to 80kph locally, the passing lanes were removed. The gospel according to Waka Kotahi apparently says you cannot have passing lanes in 80kph areas. Interesting if the whole country is going 80kph.
There is nothing that says you can't have a passing lane in an 80km/h area but there is some odd assumption that everybody will be complying with the lower speed limit and thus there will be no need for them. I love that level of fundamentalism. Have you seen the speeds in 50km/h passing lanes, like Timaru, Oamaru and Balclutha?

Funny how WK are quietly backing off implementing 80km/h on their roads in a number of areas. Who would have thought there would be a lack of support?

[SaferRides]

It was very interesting driving, as opposed to riding, up to Warkworth from Auckland recently. For those of you who never venture north of the Bombays, it is the most pointless 80 limit in NZ, as the traffic is so heavy that it's usually impossible to go any faster.

Anyway, almost no one uses the passing lanes, even when the traffic is doing less than 80. I'm not quite sure why, perhaps because of the limit, or because the traffic flows better if you don't have 2 lanes trying to merge at the end of the passing lane.

Sometime next year it will become a much quieter back road when the motorway opens, and incredibly boring to drive at 80.

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[nerrrd]

The suburban streets around me are now 30kph. It's being roundly ignored (except by me, of course :innocent:).

If they wanted to they could ticket every driver...

[Reckless]

The suburban streets around me are now 30kph. It's being roundly ignored (except by me, of course :innocent:).

If they wanted to they could ticket every driver...

Similar up here in the 90K "safer speed zone" (they call it) to the Coromandel. Most doing 100k and the few that stick to the speed limit have long ques of cars behind.
Doubles yellows the whole way. Cops have a field day out there basically a give a ticket to whom you choose area.

These new speed limits are going to be ignored by most as they are now below what even a strictly law abiding citizen considers reasonable as its got to the stupid zone.

[Berries]

Wait until NZTA take over the 'safety' cameras as they coerce all the local authorities to drop their speed limits, then you will see some ticket generation.

I think I managed to get away with my recent five day car hire in Auckland. Down the motorway to Raglan and Hamilton, up it to Orewa. Half the time I had no idea whether the speed limit was 80, 100 or 110km/h and obviously had no idea where the speed cameras would be. Been waiting on the postman ever since but nothing yet.

[SaferRides]

Wait until NZTA take over the 'safety' cameras as they coerce all the local authorities to drop their speed limits, then you will see some ticket generation.

I think I managed to get away with my recent five day car hire in Auckland. Down the motorway to Raglan and Hamilton, up it to Orewa. Half the time I had no idea whether the speed limit was 80, 100 or 110km/h and obviously had no idea where the speed cameras would be. Been waiting on the postman ever since but nothing yet.I often have no idea what the limit is on half of the rural roads around Auckland. Often, there is no sign when you join an 80 km/h road from another road, and the roads don't always have signs at regular distances apart.

You don't usually see the police unless it's a busy road with plenty of potential customers, and there aren't that many fixed cameras outside of urban areas yet.



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[Berries]

I often have no idea what the limit is on half of the rural roads around Auckland. Often, there is no sign when you join an 80 km/h road from another road, and the roads don't always have signs at regular distances apart.
If you do get a ticket for exceeding a speed limit that is not 100km/h and you think that then it is certainly worth going back and checking where the last sign was. There used to be a legal requirement for repeater signs based on about two minutes of travel if it was not your standard 100. While that requirement appears to have dropped out of the latest Rule I suspect that was an oversight. You need fair warning of what the speed limit is because of the penalties for exceeding it. With all the 80's going in it is even more of an issue.

They dropped the 100km/h speed limit on all Invercargill rural roads the other week to 80. Where one road used to go from 80 to 100 all they did was remove the 100 sign. Hardly fair to me, they should have at least put an 80 sign in its place. Get stopped at 130 now and I will lose my licence instead of just paying the enjoyment tax.

[MarkH]

The trick is to not get caught, wait - I mean the trick is not to break the law! (I don't know what I was thinking then).
Mind you - if a tree breaks the law in a forest and there are no five-oh there to catch it, did it really break the law?

[SaferRides]

If you do get a ticket for exceeding a speed limit that is not 100km/h and you think that then it is certainly worth going back and checking where the last sign was. There used to be a legal requirement for repeater signs based on about two minutes of travel if it was not your standard 100. While that requirement appears to have dropped out of the latest Rule I suspect that was an oversight. You need fair warning of what the speed limit is because of the penalties for exceeding it. With all the 80's going in it is even more of an issue.

They dropped the 100km/h speed limit on all Invercargill rural roads the other week to 80. Where one road used to go from 80 to 100 all they did was remove the 100 sign. Hardly fair to me, they should have at least put an 80 sign in its place. Get stopped at 130 now and I will lose my licence instead of just paying the enjoyment tax.I understood it still applied. Someone must have made a lot of money supplying the 110 signs for the Waikato Expressway!

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[rastuscat]

If you are wondering what a speed limit for a particular road is, check here.

https://www.nzta.govt.nz/safety/partners/speed-and-infrastructure/safe-and-appropriate-speed-limits/national-speed-limit-register/

It's the online, publicly available, National Speed Limit Register.

Just out of interest, I send that you should check signage if you get a ticket. Likely you will find that you didn't see it as you went past. I failed a bloke on a licence test a few years ago for continuing at 60 when we entered a 50 kmh zone. He swore (literally) that there was no sign, until we went back and I showed him.

[jellywrestler]

If you are wondering what a speed limit for a particular road is, check here.

https://www.nzta.govt.nz/safety/partners/speed-and-infrastructure/safe-and-appropriate-speed-limits/national-speed-limit-register/

It's the online, publicly available, National Speed Limit Register.

Just out of interest, I send that you should check signage if you get a ticket. Likely you will find that you didn't see it as you went past. I failed a bloke on a licence test a few years ago for continuing at 60 when we entered a 50 kmh zone. He swore (literally) that there was no sign, until we went back and I showed him.

that's all good but the limits are changing now so often how do we lock that into our brains? I went around the wellington coat the other day it must have changed about 15 times, hard to keep up with that in reality.
not everyone has a car that reads the limits. Going down willis street in welly the signs are way too high, we need to keep an eye at pedestrian level there's where the danger is, not half way up a lampost

[rastuscat]

that's all good but the limits are changing now so often how do we lock that into our brains? I went around the wellington coat the other day it must have changed about 15 times, hard to keep up with that in reality.
not everyone has a car that reads the limits. Going down willis street in welly the signs are way too high, we need to keep an eye at pedestrian level there's where the danger is, not half way up a lampost

Just a historic reflection.

Once upon a time, speed limits were 50 kmh or 100 kmh, pretty much. Some 50s were ridiculous, as were some 100s. People were always banging on about how unfair it was to get a ticket in Forrest Hill Road for ex-50.

So now that speed limits are being changed to reflect risk and the driving environment, the bitch is that speed limits change too much.

We just aren't happy unless we are miserable.

[Gremlin]

Just out of interest, I send that you should check signage if you get a ticket. Likely you will find that you didn't see it as you went past. I failed a bloke on a licence test a few years ago for continuing at 60 when we entered a 50 kmh zone. He swore (literally) that there was no sign, until we went back and I showed him.
They've gone nuts in the Auckland region. I can show you 4-5 signs one after another changing the limit in the CBD, all within a few hundred metres.
In the country there are multiple examples where the limit is technically one thing one way, and another the other way (and I've checked this, because I use some of the roads as part of the IAM Advanced Test in my role as Examiner).

As you wind your way through back roads you actually legitimately struggle to remember which was the last speed sign, you can take a few turns and not see a single one...

[SaferRides]

They've gone nuts in the Auckland region. I can show you 4-5 signs one after another changing the limit in the CBD, all within a few hundred metres.
In the country there are multiple examples where the limit is technically one thing one way, and another the other way (and I've checked this, because I use some of the roads as part of the IAM Advanced Test in my role as Examiner).

As you wind your way through back roads you actually legitimately struggle to remember which was the last speed sign, you can take a few turns and not see a single one...Another reason why I almost never go into the CBD. Try doing 40 on Nelson Street...

Then there are the places in rural Auckland where an 80 sign has been put up 50 m before a tight corner with a 35 advisory. As my wife pointed out recently, the 80 limits are stupid because you can't safely drive at 80.

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[nerrrd]

I do find myself wondering why such a fundamental change to something most people do on a daily basis in Auckland hasn't been accompanied by a saturation advertising campaign to make sure everyone is aware of it and looking out for the new limits. You know, if it's so important for our safety.

I've only ever seen one, possibly two news articles that even mention it.

[Gremlin]

Another reason why I almost never go into the CBD. Try doing 40 on Nelson Street...
Oh Auckland Transport has done their job perfectly (to the detriment of Heart of the City). I only go there under sufferance to visit clients... when I really really have to. When I changed jobs years ago, I deliberately avoided anything in the CBD.

[rastuscat]

Oh Auckland Transport has done their job perfectly (to the detriment of Heart of the City). I only go there under sufferance to visit clients... when I really really have to. When I changed jobs years ago, I deliberately avoided anything in the CBD.

Downtown Rangiora is about to get a 30 kmh main street. It's 50 at the moment, but engineered for 30, so everyone goes 30.

[Grumph]

Downtown Rangiora is about to get a 30 kmh main street. It's 50 at the moment, but engineered for 30, so everyone goes 30.

When I worked there in '68 you could do 30mph every day except Friday. Choked with cockies and their wives shopping on a Friday.

Times change.

[SaferRides]

Downtown Rangiora is about to get a 30 kmh main street. It's 50 at the moment, but engineered for 30, so everyone goes 30.Then they'll say after a year how much safer the main street is since the limit was reduced.

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[Gremlin]

Downtown Rangiora is about to get a 30 kmh main street. It's 50 at the moment, but engineered for 30, so everyone goes 30.
My favourite currently is all the raised pedestrian crossings. Adv bikes don't need to slow down for them :scooter:

Auckland CBD has two big one way thoroughfares (Nelson and Hobson) that are parallel. They're 40kph (were 50kph) and the side roads are 30kph (were 50kph). If you cross Nelson or Hobson, you start in a 30kph, go to 40kph for the intersection, back to 30kph for the bridge street, back to 40kph for the other intersection, then back to 30kph for the next side street. I swear someone on council is getting kickbacks from the signage company...

[neels]

Downtown Rangiora is about to get a 30 kmh main street. It's 50 at the moment, but engineered for 30, so everyone goes 30.
If you manage to get up to the heady heights of 30 on the main street of goon you're doing well, usually it's about 10 behind Nana looking for a parking space, or the lurching traffic jam caused by all the pedestrian crossings.

[pete376403]

The suburban streets around me are now 30kph. It's being roundly ignored (except by me, of course :innocent:).

If they wanted to they could ticket every driver...

Speed limits alone are useless because they are ignored by speeding drivers. I live on a long-ish, straight suburban street that forms part of a rat-run to bypass the main road. The street is undergoing a population increase, virtually every section other than my own has infill housing and the new regs allow even more density and do not require off street parking for residents. There are also a couple of daycare centres. The posted limit is 50, but I estimate the de-facto average is more like 70+, except on Friday and Saturday nights, when it is whatever the vehicle is capable of. I wrote to the council requesting speed bumps. I still have their "roading engineers" reply as to why they are not necessary, including "the increased on-street parking having the effect of making the road narrower and therefore less attractive for speeding drivers". I look forward to having this published in the local paper next time there is a serious crash in the street. The police very rarely patrol this street and even less frequently run a speed trap.

[jellywrestler]

Speed limits alone are useless because they are ignored by speeding drivers. I live on a long-ish, straight suburban street that forms part of a rat-run to bypass the main road. The street is undergoing a population increase, virtually every section other than my own has infill housing and the new regs allow even more density and do not require off street parking for residents. There are also a couple of daycare centres. The posted limit is 50, but I estimate the de-facto average is more like 70+, except on Friday and Saturday nights, when it is whatever the vehicle is capable of. I wrote to the council requesting speed bumps. I still have their "roading engineers" reply as to why they are not necessary, including "the increased on-street parking having the effect of making the road narrower and therefore less attractive for speeding drivers". I look forward to having this published in the local paper next time there is a serious crash in the street. The police very rarely patrol this street and even less frequently run a speed trap.

i got a blue airforce great coat and a hair dryer you can borrow. Worked real well when I lived at the chateau and we had ski bunnies ignoring the limits there. Was quite funny too

[Berries]

If you manage to get up to the heady heights of 30 on the main street of goon you're doing well, usually it's about 10 behind Nana looking for a parking space, or the lurching traffic jam caused by all the pedestrian crossings.
They put a 30 on the main street of Dunedin 15+ years ago. When people are around the traffic restricts the speed so it was pointless. At night and when nobody is around people do 50. Not sure if it ever got enforced, the minimal signage used gets lost in all the urban clutter and it has always been possible to enter the zone without seeing a visible road sign.

The paper today says it will become 10km/h.


My favourite currently is all the raised pedestrian crossings. Adv bikes don't need to slow down for them.
Yes, they usually warrant a quick blip of the throttle as well.

[FLUB]

Until 3 weeks ago I lived in a retirement village. Even the grey haired old whingers couldn't stick to the 20kph limit in their own village. There were calls for Stinger deployment. I kid you not!

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[F5 Dave]

I have a 1969 T125 Stinger. Must get it going.

What sort of deployment? Can I make some moneys?

[Grumph]

Speed limits alone are useless because they are ignored by speeding drivers. I live on a long-ish, straight suburban street that forms part of a rat-run to bypass the main road. The street is undergoing a population increase, virtually every section other than my own has infill housing and the new regs allow even more density and do not require off street parking for residents. There are also a couple of daycare centres. The posted limit is 50, but I estimate the de-facto average is more like 70+, except on Friday and Saturday nights, when it is whatever the vehicle is capable of. I wrote to the council requesting speed bumps. I still have their "roading engineers" reply as to why they are not necessary, including "the increased on-street parking having the effect of making the road narrower and therefore less attractive for speeding drivers". I look forward to having this published in the local paper next time there is a serious crash in the street. The police very rarely patrol this street and even less frequently run a speed trap.

Can i bring to your attention the chap in Belfast (the local one) who made a dummy speed camera. Reportedly it had an effect on traffic speed. I think it was up for over a year before he was told to take it down. AFAIK it's not illegal so long as you don't use an existing post there for another purpose.

[jellywrestler]

Can i bring to your attention the chap in Belfast (the local one) who made a dummy speed camera. Reportedly it had an effect on traffic speed. I think it was up for over a year before he was told to take it down. AFAIK it's not illegal so long as you don't use an existing post there for another purpose.

when i was at the chateau there were some fuckwits not even flincing at the 50km zone through a very icy village 6km from the skifield, and airforce great coat and a hair dryer was the answer. didn't take long for cars going downhill to flash uphill ones too, although there wasn't many leaving

[onearmedbandit]

Can i bring to your attention the chap in Belfast (the local one) who made a dummy speed camera. Reportedly it had an effect on traffic speed. I think it was up for over a year before he was told to take it down. AFAIK it's not illegal so long as you don't use an existing post there for another purpose.

Many moons ago a chap up in the Nth Island made a 'Slow Down - Speed Trap ahead' sign. The police charged him with something along the lines of interfering with police business. In court they argued that because of his presence he reduced the number of drivers being ticketed because he made them slow down. The judge deemed that as this was also the intent of the 'police business' that he interfered with the charges were dismissed.

[Berries]

Bloke in Palmerston did the same thing only there was no speed camera. Pretty sure it had the desired result and slowed traffic down at the cost of a bit of paint and a scrap piece of wood.

Compare that to $10,000 for a sign that flashes and tells you how fast you are going. I have a speedo that does that dickheads.

[george formby]

Many moons ago a chap up in the Nth Island made a 'Slow Down - Speed Trap ahead' sign. The police charged him with something along the lines of interfering with police business. In court they argued that because of his presence he reduced the number of drivers being ticketed because he made them slow down. The judge deemed that as this was also the intent of the 'police business' that he interfered with the charges were dismissed.

Quite a few years ago, teh Federales in the UK were putting cardboard cutouts of officers holding radar guns strategically on road sides, popping out of hedges and the like.
Worked a treat but the attrition rate was very high.... No doubt a few rear end accidents, too.
Back then they were allowed to be very sneaky.

[jellywrestler]

Bloke in Palmerston did the same thing only there was no speed camera. Pretty sure it had the desired result and slowed traffic down at the cost of a bit of paint and a scrap piece of wood.

Compare that to $10,000 for a sign that flashes and tells you how fast you are going. I have a speedo that does that dickheads.

i search for those signs as my dickhead speedos aren't accurate, at least those are supposed to be right and you can get an idea of your speedos accuracy.

[jellywrestler]

Quite a few years ago, teh Federales in the UK were putting cardboard cutouts of officers holding radar guns strategically on road sides, popping out of hedges and the like.
Worked a treat but the attrition rate was very high.... No doubt a few rear end accidents, too.
Back then they were allowed to be very sneaky.

when i worked for telecom in wanganui the local picture theatre was demolished, the pidgeons re homed themsleves on the new telephone exchange. The boss didn't like it so put plastic snakes around the outside, to which i added plastic bords in their mouths. He hated the pidgeons. He had an anglia with one of those channels above his doors like old cars have on both sides of course. I had a bucket of wheat in my work van and most days would drop a handful in these gutters and they'd come down chomp on it, and often shit on take off, especially if disturbed.
He had two cocks, no0one could get that silly tugging just one

[SaferRides]

i search for those signs as my dickhead speedos aren't accurate, at least those are supposed to be right and you can get an idea of your speedos accuracy.There is one on Hillsborough Road in Auckland AFTER the fixed speed camera. Not sure why?

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[Berries]

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[Navy Boy]

A wee while back I purchased a small GPS speedo from Jaycar Electronics. Whenever I am on a new-to-me bike I use it as a means of testing the accuracy of the speedo - Comes in very handy in my experience.

For instance the speedo on my Caponord 1200 shows 107/108 (It's right on the cusp) when at a genuine 100Km/hr. I'll be doing the same on my GSX1400 when I next ride it as I've just changed the rear tyre and the speedo should be a touch more accurate now.

It just gives me a figure in my mind so that I'm not guessing too much about these things and gives me the warm and fuzzy as to what speed I'm actually doing. A bit like pre gear indicator machines one of the first things I'd do would be to get to top gear and see what revs equalled what speed so that I knew when I was in top gear.

It cost less than $100 from memory and has proven itself handy on a number of occasions. :yes:

[F5 Dave]

Just download an app on your phone for free.

I use Simple Speedo. Easy to read in a tankbag at a glance.

My last two Triumphs were easy to talk to with TuneEcu so I could calibrate them to actual. New one is more locked down.

[rastuscat]

Just download an app on your phone for free.

I use Simple Speedo. Easy to read in a tankbag at a glance.



Just a heads up on that. I used an app for digital speed on my Samsung for 18 months while working.

But then discovered it had produced screen burn. I could still use the phone, but it had screen burn marks where the speedo had been displayed too brightly for too long.

Worth thinking about if you care about your expensive device.

[jellywrestler]

Just download an app on your phone for free.

I use Simple Speedo. Easy to read in a tankbag at a glance.

My last two Triumphs were easy to talk to with TuneEcu so I could calibrate them to actual. New one is more locked down.

if you have a tankbag

[jellywrestler]

A wee while back I purchased a small GPS speedo from Jaycar Electronics. Whenever I am on a new-to-me bike I use it as a means of testing the accuracy of the speedo - Comes in very handy in my experience.

For instance the speedo on my Caponord 1200 shows 107/108 (It's right on the cusp) when at a genuine 100Km/hr. I'll be doing the same on my GSX1400 when I next ride it as I've just changed the rear tyre and the speedo should be a touch more accurate now.

It just gives me a figure in my mind so that I'm not guessing too much about these things and gives me the warm and fuzzy as to what speed I'm actually doing. A bit like pre gear indicator machines one of the first things I'd do would be to get to top gear and see what revs equalled what speed so that I knew when I was in top gear.

It cost less than $100 from memory and has proven itself handy on a number of occasions. :yes:

i'm looking for something like that that shows the speed limit as well as the speed, not easy to find it seems. With the ever changing limits it's hard to keep an eye on what the actual speed limit it these days as they generally only sign them once

[F5 Dave]

My Dads subaru did thatwith camera recognition.

[rastuscat]

My Dads subaru did thatwith camera recognition.

Yes, tech is going ahead, sometimes more than I would like.

[SaferRides]

My Dads subaru did thatwith camera recognition.Most modern Toyotas as well, although they don't seem to understand the derestricted sign!

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[MarkH]

Just a heads up on that. I used an app for digital speed on my Samsung for 18 months while working.

But then discovered it had produced screen burn. I could still use the phone, but it had screen burn marks where the speedo had been displayed too brightly for too long.

Worth thinking about if you care about your expensive device.

You don't need to use the app all the time, just use it once for each vehicle so that you know what percentage the speedo over-reads and from then on you know what speed you are really doing. Before I sold my Nissan Leaf I used to put it on cruise control for the open road part of my daily commute, getting it to 110kph on the speedo which I knew was 100kph actual speed. That car had a speedo that read 10% over all the way through its range. The motorbike was reading ~7% over (Mitas E07) but now reads ~10% over (original tyre, decided to get the wear out of it), next tyre change (I'm thinking Dunlop Trailmax Mission) I'll check it again. My mother's car reads only 4 or 5% over the actual speed, I think it is the closest indicated speed to actual speed I've come across.

You also don't need to use a speed app, many navigation apps will show the speed while you are navigating. But I do like the Ulysses Speed Meter, it's pretty cool.

[R650R]

It seems the local Karen brigade have been flooding the police with enough complaints about Samoan rugby celebrations that they felt the need to reply in public on fakebook.

Understandably police were concerned with unrestrained people hanging out of or riding on vehicles. But also “the risk slow speeds posed to other drivers” can’t have been any worse than the morning or evening commuter traffic....

Let them enjoy their moment

[Ocean1]

A wee while back I purchased a small GPS speedo from Jaycar Electronics. Whenever I am on a new-to-me bike I use it as a means of testing the accuracy of the speedo - Comes in very handy in my experience.

For instance the speedo on my Caponord 1200 shows 107/108 (It's right on the cusp) when at a genuine 100Km/hr. I'll be doing the same on my GSX1400 when I next ride it as I've just changed the rear tyre and the speedo should be a touch more accurate now.

It just gives me a figure in my mind so that I'm not guessing too much about these things and gives me the warm and fuzzy as to what speed I'm actually doing. A bit like pre gear indicator machines one of the first things I'd do would be to get to top gear and see what revs equalled what speed so that I knew when I was in top gear.

It cost less than $100 from memory and has proven itself handy on a number of occasions. :yes:

They changed the standards for car speedos a long while ago, shortly after safety nazzis first darkened our doorsteps.
The thinking (tm) was that if they allowed the traditional metrological industry practice for measurement accuracy involving well tried and true standard deviation and specific confidence related metrics there would be a chance that a spedo might display a velocity lower than the legal speed, meaning instant death for the unfortunate driver involved.

So they regulated that possibility out of the industry, who responded by simply making their instruments less accurate by the simple expediency of moving the span downwards by some 8%.

Problem solved.

Until the next safety nazzi convocation, triggered typically by the complete failure of their articulation of the ideals their dogma expresses to produce any change in outcomes. Or, in the case of related govt departments the dark mutterings from the minister on the adverse publicity.

[roogazza]

Anyone hear the ZB talkback this morning... All the bleating about speeds over the Rimutaka road.

I had a cackle to myself remembering how we rode over that piece of road thru the 70's and 80's !

Jeesus H Christ ! the callers would have kittens if they saw us today doin that shit. :yawn: :yes:

[TheDemonLord]

Funnily enough...

I got my first ever Warning for Speeding the other night.

I was coming back from an event, along a road I don't travel too regularly, it's an open road - so I was merrily pootling along at 100 KPH.

Cop car passes me in the other direction, does a U-Turn - Hmmmm what's going on here then....

Puts his lights on, so I pull over:

"Good Evening Sir, do you know why I pulled you over?"

Me: "Er, No? It's an open road, I was doing 100 in a 100 zone?"

"It's actually 80 along here - where did you come from?"

Me: "I just came from *place that's about 400-500 metres up the road from where I got stopped*, sorry, must have been on auto-pilot"

"You must have known this is an 80K zone"

Me: "Honestly officer, I don't come this way much, and so was just doing 100 cause I thought it was a 100 zone"

"Well, I clocked you at 96, and you said you were doing 100 and I'm not sure if there's an 80 sign between where you pulled out and here - so you'll get a warning, there's no fine - just pay more attention"

Me: "Thank you officer, you have a good night"

Which to me was a perfectly reasonable interaction.

[FJRider]

Anyone hear the ZB talkback this morning... All the bleating about speeds over the Rimutaka road.

I had a cackle to myself remembering how we rode over that piece of road thru the 70's and 80's !

Jeesus H Christ ! the callers would have kittens if they saw us today doin that shit. :yawn: :yes:

That road was often used as "Practice" rides by two brothers that raced for Wellington Suzuki.

I once saw one of the race bikes parked at the summit tea rooms car park.

[Reckless]

That road was often used as "Practice" rides by two brothers that raced for Wellington Suzuki.

I once saw one of the race bikes parked at the summit tea rooms car park.

Many good hours racing up there on my GPZ1100 most weekends.
My mate had a full Yoshi Katana, man did that make some noise in the valley. It bought people to the carpark fence to watch everytime. LOL
Summitt tearoom car park was full of bikes most sunny weekends.

Road toll was 628 in 1975 its 328 this year with probably double the amount of cars on the road.
That road is 100% better than it was but its all the roads fault. Somes missing something somewhere I reckon.

[FJRider]

... That road is 100% better than it was but its all the roads fault. Somes missing something somewhere I reckon.

In those days ... you learned or died.

In many cases ... that was not entirely a bad thing.



Too often though ... if you lived ... you were just lucky. (Your) Skill had nothing to do with it.

[R650R]

Anyone hear the ZB talkback this morning... All the bleating about speeds over the Rimutaka road.

I had a cackle to myself remembering how we rode over that piece of road thru the 70's and 80's !

Jeesus H Christ ! the callers would have kittens if they saw us today doin that shit. :yawn: :yes:

Would have been due to the fluff news article saying the road was badly designed. Idiots in fake news media don’t realise it was built back in the day of us being an even smaller nation than our small nation is now. And they didn’t have to factor dummies into the design because everyone knew how to “drive”....
Meanwhile here in the bay we continue our stream of fatal accidents on speed limit reduced highways....
Don’t understand how cop failed to catch this bmw nutter

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/130623517/police-call-for-information-after-near-miss-captured-on-camera

[MD]

The Remutaka Hill is a well-designed and reasonably well-maintained road. If it looks like a racetrack, feels like a racetrack, smells like a racetrack...well enough said.

[jellywrestler]

Would have been due to the fluff news article saying the road was badly designed. Idiots in fake news media don’t realise it was built back in the day of us being an even smaller nation than our small nation is now. And they didn’t have to factor dummies into the design because everyone knew how to “drive”....
Meanwhile here in the bay we continue our stream of fatal accidents on speed limit reduced highways....
Don’t understand how cop failed to catch this bmw nutter

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/130623517/police-call-for-information-after-near-miss-captured-on-camera

were they in the car, watching or what? it takes a bit of time to get going and match the speed the car is doing, and on a busy road it's not that easy to weave through the cars that have already gone through so not really hard to understand

[rastuscat]

Yesterday a pedestrian was killed by a car travelling on Main North Road in Woodend.

It's a 50 kmh road, and until the vehicle speed is determined, lets speculate that it was doing 50 kmh.

352124

This is an excellent example of the reason to slow traffic down, at least in places where people are likely to make a mistake. Pretty much anywhere there are people.

Whatever the reason the pedestrian stepped out in front of the vehicle, the speed of the vehicle determined the outcome.

Just a thread dredge I know, but relevant to my work.

[Navy Boy]

Fair point Rastus.

It'll be interesting to see the Xmas road toll post mortem - Just how many of those killed were due to which of the various factors such as not wearing seat belts, driving too fast for the prevailing conditions, driving under the influence of drink/drugs and so on.

I'd like to think that most of us can see the sense in going at an appropriate speed where foot traffic is likely to be high, such as the case you've mentioned here. It's about the intelligent application of this thinking rather than a blanket 'Speed kills so just slow down' campaign which NZTA seem to keep trotting out - Which isn't working if the road toll statistics are anything to go by... :no:

[sugilite]

I agree with Rastus on the speed limitations being where the people flock. However after doing the Napier Taupo road of late, I figured the zero aspect of 'road to zero' statement was in reference to the speed we will seemingly be allowed to do in the future. :rolleyes:

[george formby]

I agree with Rastus on the speed limitations being where the people flock. However after doing the Napier Taupo road of late, I figured the zero aspect of 'road to zero' statement was in reference to the speed we will seemingly be allowed to do in the future. :rolleyes:

Yup, my default speed is 80kmh due to so many of my local roads being "speed adjusted".

One road in particular has had millions of $$'s of armco and wire barriers installed as well as the speed dropped to 80kmh.

The only impact I can see from this is dented barriers and piles for the wires being uprooted when someone hits them at warp speed.

I would say 90% of the accidents are single vehicle shit boxes driven (stupidly) by shit boxes. Exactly what was happening before the major safety changes. Go figure.

[Ascott]

Yesterday a pedestrian was killed by a car travelling on Main North Road in Woodend.

It's a 50 kmh road, and until the vehicle speed is determined, lets speculate that it was doing 50 kmh.

352124

This is an excellent example of the reason to slow traffic down, at least in places where people are likely to make a mistake. Pretty much anywhere there are people.

Whatever the reason the pedestrian stepped out in front of the vehicle, the speed of the vehicle determined the outcome.

Just a thread dredge I know, but relevant to my work.

Bullshit, if he had been doing .5 kph less for his journey, regardless how far that was, they would never have "met"

[Hoonicorn]

Yesterday a pedestrian was killed by a car travelling on Main North Road in Woodend.

It's a 50 kmh road, and until the vehicle speed is determined, lets speculate that it was doing 50 kmh.

This is an excellent example of the reason to slow traffic down, at least in places where people are likely to make a mistake. Pretty much anywhere there are people.

Whatever the reason the pedestrian stepped out in front of the vehicle, the speed of the vehicle determined the outcome.

Just a thread dredge I know, but relevant to my work.

Car design and safety features help reduce injuries and fatalities https://www.aa.co.nz/about/safety-on-the-roads/safer-vehicles/pedestrian-protection/ so what hits you can factor into things.

If cars are safer today any increase in injuries must be because there's more people living in NZ walking in front of cars. Reducing speeds might save lives, but it also reduces people's perception of danger so more people walk in front of cars, then speed limits get reduced further and roads get pedestrianised.

[SaferRides]

Yesterday a pedestrian was killed by a car travelling on Main North Road in Woodend.

It's a 50 kmh road, and until the vehicle speed is determined, lets speculate that it was doing 50 kmh.

This is an excellent example of the reason to slow traffic down, at least in places where people are likely to make a mistake. Pretty much anywhere there are people.

Whatever the reason the pedestrian stepped out in front of the vehicle, the speed of the vehicle determined the outcome.

Just a thread dredge I know, but relevant to my work.

So we should have a blanket 30 km/h limit anywhere there are footpaths?



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[onearmedbandit]

So we should have a blanket 30 km/h limit anywhere there are footpaths?



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It's happening here in ChCh already, and coming to a town near you soon.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/129946716/30kpm-speed-limits-proposed-for-many-christchurch-roads--to-save-lives

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/130092069/speed-limits-to-drop-in-10-more-christchurch-suburbs

[FJRider]

So we should have a blanket 30 km/h limit anywhere there are footpaths?

NOPE ... just ban pedestrians from high volume traffic roads. Regardless of any existing speed limit for that area.

If a pedestrian steps in front a motor vehicle ... why should the driver be penalized .. ??

[pete376403]

NOPE ... just ban pedestrians from high volume traffic roads. Regardless of any existing speed limit for that area.

If a pedestrian steps in front a motor vehicle ... why should the driver be penalized .. ??

They do that (ban peds from motorways) but it doesn't stop them trying. Wonder who is deemed to be at fault if a person walking on a m'way gets clipped? If the walker is killed does the driver get prosecuted?

[FJRider]

Yesterday a pedestrian was killed by a car travelling on Main North Road in Woodend.

It's a 50 kmh road, and until the vehicle speed is determined, lets speculate that it was doing 50 kmh.

Speculation causes more angst in cases like this than anything else. Apportion BLAME where it is due. NOT where you think it might be.


This is an excellent example of the reason to slow traffic down, at least in places where people are likely to make a mistake. Pretty much anywhere there are people.

BULLSHIT. There is a VERY high likelihood of finding more people on the side of the road in towns ... than you would outside the town boundary (funny that).

Somehow (again) your assumption is DRIVER error. Obviously ... your assumption is that pedestrians should be protected from harm in any/all ways possible.

Obviously ... you believe the pedestrian could not be at fault. Why else would you recommend an immediate reduction in the towns speed limit.

The legal speed limit is not always a safe speed to travel at. In or outside a towns boundary. If the driver was within the posted speed limit ... and the traffic and pedestrian count was higher than usual for the town/city ... a dangerous driving charge should be applied. Not the knee-jerk reaction of a 30km/hr speed limit implemented.

If such a radical reduction in the Woodend town speed limit WAS implemented ... this would/could likely result in the entire country's 50 km/hr speed limits reduced ... as a possible resulting cost of (possibly) one simple act of stupidity ... by one pedestrian.


Whatever the reason the pedestrian stepped out in front of the vehicle, the speed of the vehicle determined the outcome.

And without actually knowing (a) the speed of the motor vehicle and (b) or why that pedestrian stepped onto the road in front of traffic ... you advocate the speed limit should be lowered.


Just a thread dredge I know, but relevant to my work.

Is the speculation (guesswork) ??) a consistent and valid part of your work ... ?? If your job is based on speculation (or even in part thereof) and/or guesswork ... not facts ... get a real job.

[FJRider]

They do that (ban peds from motorways) but it doesn't stop them trying. Wonder who is deemed to be at fault if a person walking on a m'way gets clipped? If the walker is killed does the driver get prosecuted?

Watch Motorway Patrol on tv. Auckland drivers ... The series is available on demand. It's quite entertaining ... :killingme

[onearmedbandit]

Somehow (again) your assumption is DRIVER error. Obviously ... your assumption is that pedestrians should be protected from harm in any/all ways possible.

Obviously ... you believe the pedestrian could not be at fault. Why else would you recommend an immediate reduction in the towns speed limit.



Can you point out in his post exactly where he assumes the driver was at fault and not the pedestrian? Or is that just your assumption? The way I read his post was regardless of who was at fault (and I can not for the life of me see where he attributes any blame and I just had my eyes checked today renewing my licenses) physics come into play.

[FJRider]

Can you point out in his post exactly where he assumes the driver was at fault and not the pedestrian? Or is that just your assumption? The way I read his post was regardless of who was at fault (and I can not for the life of me see where he attributes any blame and I just had my eyes checked today renewing my licenses) physics come into play.

In my opinion ... if the auto response to a pedestrian / motor vehicle accident is reducing the speed limit ... is must be assumed by the powers that be ... that it is the driver that is seen to be at fault.


Thus it can be expected that any onus of responsibility ... and the repercussions for such accidents (anywhere) ... gets laid at every drivers right foot.


Regardless of whom was actually at fault.


Plainly and simply because ... there is sweet fuck all else the officialdom can do about it.


Apparently ... dead pedestrians don't respond well to court a summons ... go figure.

[rastuscat]

In my opinion ... if the auto response to a pedestrian / motor vehicle accident is reducing the speed limit ... is must be assumed by the powers that be ... that it is the driver that is seen to be at fault.


Thus it can be expected that any onus of responsibility ... and the repercussions for such accidents (anywhere) ... gets laid at every drivers right foot.


Regardless of whom was actually at fault.

Actually no. But don't let the facts stand in the way of your beliefs.

[onearmedbandit]

In my opinion ... if the auto response to a pedestrian / motor vehicle accident is reducing the speed limit ... is must be assumed by the powers that be ... that it is the driver that is seen to be at fault.



As much as I'm opposed to reducing speed limits because selfish reasons your assumption is a very long reach there. Regardless of who made the mistake, the pedestrian or the car driver, it's the speed of the car that will determine for the most part the outcome. Physics doesn't care who is at fault. So if you want to increase the odds of the pedestrian surviving (once again this has nothing to do with fault just purely physics) reduce the force of the impact. There are two ways of doing this, either reduce the mass of all vehicles on the road or reduce the speed.

As i point out, I'm not enjoying seeing speed limits reduced but I can not argue with physics.

I'll also point out that your accusation was against rastuscat, not TPTB. And as you can't point out where he personally attributed fault to the driver it's obvious you were wrong.

[FJRider]

As much as I'm opposed to reducing speed limits because selfish reasons your assumption is a very long reach there. Regardless of who made the mistake, the pedestrian or the car driver, it's the speed of the car that will determine for the most part the outcome. Physics doesn't care who is at fault. So if you want to increase the odds of the pedestrian surviving (once again this has nothing to do with fault just purely physics) reduce the force of the impact. There are two ways of doing this, either reduce the mass of all vehicles on the road or reduce the speed.

As i point out, I'm not enjoying seeing speed limits reduced but I can not argue with physics.

I'll also point out that your accusation was against rastuscat, not TPTB. And as you can't point out where he personally attributed fault to the driver it's obvious you were wrong.

(1.) People make decisions ... get it right and there usually aren't issues you need to be concerned about.

Get it wrong ... and there might well be serious issues regarding their health and longevity.

(2.) I was taught at Primary school how to cross roads SAFELY. The modern thought process of any issue is ... "I'm an adult and will make my own decisions regarding MY own safety" ... but THAT doesn't always go as planned. It never did.

PERSONAL safety should be the main concern for the person making that decision.

As above ... get it right and all is good ... Get it wrong ... (etc)

(3.) Has Woodend got any Pedestrian crossings or over-bridges ... ?? perhaps some (More ??) should be installed.

Too easy .. ??

(4.) WHAT did I actually accuse him of ... ??? nothing to do with the actual accident actually was it .. ??

HE didn't even know whom was at fault in that incident. But he proposed changes in the rules for motorists ... but no mention of more awareness made of/for pedestrian movement across roads.

(5.) An accident occurs ... Pedestrian vs Motor vehicle. Without knowing whom was at fault ... He proposed ALL driver are penalized by reduction in the speed limit.

Regardless of any (known) fault made by either party.

Nor ANY rule changes or better methods made for pedestrians crossing roads/streets in that area.

[FJRider]

Actually no. But don't let the facts stand in the way of your beliefs.

Facts ... ??

Fact is ... step out in front of a car moving at 50 km/hr ... and the chance of you getting killed is good.

Pedestrians seem to forget that.



And so ... if it's found the driver was not at fault ... the speed limit wouldn't be reduced .. ??

A quick look on Google maps (usually streetview is a few years behind reality) ... but Woodend is still showing a 50km/hr town speed limit.

You are a bit closer to there than I am ... is it still 50 km/hr in town ... ??

[onearmedbandit]

(4.) WHAT did I actually accuse him of ... ??? nothing to do with the actual accident actually was it .. ??

HE didn't even know whom was at fault in that incident. But he proposed changes in the rules for motorists ... but no mention of more awareness made of/for pedestrian movement across roads.



You've forgotten already? It was only earlier today. But here you go, I've pasted your accusation below to refresh your memory.



Somehow (again) your assumption is DRIVER error. Obviously ... your assumption is that pedestrians should be protected from harm in any/all ways possible.

Obviously ... you believe the pedestrian could not be at fault. Why else would you recommend an immediate reduction in the towns speed limit.



As for the rest of your post, please try to remember I'm just agreeing with the physics behind the rationale. I'm not getting into an argument over personal responsibility, right or wrong, blame etc (because you;ll most likely find we agree on all of that), I'm simply saying the physics stack up.

[Stylo]

You've forgotten already? It was only earlier today. But here you go, I've pasted your accusation below to refresh your memory.



As for the rest of your post, please try to remember I'm just agreeing with the physics behind the rationale. I'm not getting into an argument over personal responsibility, right or wrong, blame etc (because you;ll most likely find we agree on all of that), I'm simply saying the physics stack up.

I'll stay out of this. Three days ago we were in Te Anau. Milford Sound the next morning. 119Kms. How long to get there ? 3 hours said the woman at the Hotel desk, check on google she remarked. 2 hours said the guy at the bar as i paid for my drink. Managed the trip there in 1 hour 40. Trip back, 1 hour 27. In a slug, '22 Corolla Hybrid. Not bad. No cops. Magic drive.

[onearmedbandit]

I definitely ain't no saint when it comes to obeying the speed limits, although I do pick my time and place a lot better these days.

[roogazza]

Look right look left and then look right again ! When growing up we were told this and had it drummed in.
Cars and things hurt if they hit you beware !

If you walk near roads beware ,it's their country !!! Not hard is it !!!!!!

Road to zero !!!!!!!! well fuck me ! That'll work ? pffft.

[Navy Boy]

Years ago when I was a student at Southampton University (And I had to cycle everywhere as I had no choice) I witnessed a pedestrian walking out in front of a car.

This was in a 30Mph (50ish Km/hr) zone and the lady driver was, by my estimation, doing 20-25Mph. In other words she was driving with due consideration to the circumstances and conditions at the time and was in keeping with the other traffic around her.

The chap who walked out clearly misjudged the distance and was hit pretty much square on. He travelled through the air and hit the road with quite a thump (The sound of which I still remember to this day).

This was not a pedestrian crossing but simply a cut through footpath-type of arrangement and he did what many of us have done countless times over the years - He simply got it wrong.

The damage to the car (It looked as though the A-pillar had deformed so I'd expect the car to have been written off) was significant and the pedestrian - Well let's just say that it ruined his day - And quite a few days after that too... :(

When people talk about speed and damage it's always this memory which comes back to me. Whilst the pedestrian in this case was clearly in the wrong none of that really seemed to matter much in the hours and days that followed.

I'm not in favour of simply lowering speed limits and then proclaiming that the road toll problem will/should diminish but the powers that be need to try and do something. There were a number of factors in play on that day, not least of which was the pedestrian simply misjudging the distance to the car involved, but this is a multi-layered issue that needs intelligent tackling. :msn-wink:

[onearmedbandit]

Very well put Navy Boy.

[rastuscat]

Facts ... ??

Fact is ... step out in front of a car moving at 50 km/hr ... and the chance of you getting killed is good.

Pedestrians seem to forget that.

And so ... if it's found the driver was not at fault ... the speed limit wouldn't be reduced .. ??

A quick look on Google maps (usually streetview is a few years behind reality) ... but Woodend is still showing a 50km/hr town speed limit.

You are a bit closer to there than I am ... is it still 50 km/hr in town ... ??

It's a question of perspective. If you think purely as an individual the speed reductions are senseless. Likely optimism bias causes you to think you aren't going to crash, so there is no need to reduce your speed.

But if you think of it on a societal level, or community level, crashes happen. So reducing the speed at which they happen makes sense.

I've always reflected that we object to speeds being limited, but we also think drivers and roads need to be better. It doesn't take much trawling on KB to find stories about crap drivers and roads.

Once every is as awesome as they think they are, and the roads are like the Nürburgring, I think speeds can remain as they are. But given that roads and drivers are crap, crashes will continue, so it makes sense to limit the harm done.

Navy Boy points out that you can't argue with the laws of physics. Impact is logarithmically related to speed. Small increases in speed lead to large increases in harm, because Kinetic energy is the energy that an object has due to its motion. Ek, is the energy of a mass, m, in motion, v2.

Ek = 1/2 mv2

where Ek = Kinetic energy, m = mass, and v = velocity.

So the impact is a product of the speed squared. Hard to argue.

And yes, Woodend is still 50 kmh, and is unlikely to change. For the last 25 years a bypass has been talked about and planned, but it hasn't had the money it needs put into it.

[pete376403]

People step in front of trains, too. Is there a push to reduce train speeds? At what point do people become responsible for, and suffer the consequence of, their own actions? Are we to get to the point of insanity like the US, where Kia and Hyundai are being sued because their cars are too easy to steal (with instructions posted on TikTok) and teens subsequently killing themselves crashing?

[Navy Boy]

People step in front of trains, too. Is there a push to reduce train speeds? At what point do people become responsible for, and suffer the consequence of, their own actions? Are we to get to the point of insanity like the US, where Kia and Hyundai are being sued because their cars are too easy to steal (with instructions posted on TikTok) and teens subsequently killing themselves crashing?

You're right - This is very much a case of personal responsibility and how that is exercised.

I don't think any of us would advocate going down the US route that you have referred to - I know that I certainly wouldn't.

I guess that my point was that seeing such an incident first-hand really brought it home to me the 'So what?' of unplanned vehicle/people interfaces and that the image stayed with me for a very long time afterwards. Whilst I wouldn't wish witnessing such an incident on anyone the fact is that it served as a powerful reminder of why the little voice in the back of your head (And yes I am referencing the original Magnum P.I :niceone:) needs to be listened to. Which, if we're being brutally honest is what we are talking about when we talk of road safety and what it means to us as individuals.

If I remember my physics correctly Momentum = Mass x Velocity, as Rastus has pointed out. When I reflected on what I'd seen I did wonder what could have been done differently to either stop it happening or to lessen the effects. To be honest I'm still not certain that it was an accident that could have been avoided but just seeing the effects of it as an involuntary spectator served as a graphic wake-up call for me.

To be clear - There's no staff answer to this - Only varying shades of useful. It's what we take from it and use in the future which interests me about the whole thing.

[rastuscat]

If I remember my physics correctly Momentum = Mass x Velocity, as Rastus has pointed out..

That's the kicker. Momentum = Mass x Velocity SQUARED.

It's the SQUARED bit that really bites ass.

Small increases in speed really matter when it's the speed squared.

Like 3 kmh squared = 9

5 kmh squared = 25

So the extra 2 kmh (33%) gives you a lot more than that in terms of outcome.

That's why the difference between 30 kmh and 50 kmh in pedestrian dense areas is so critical.

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[pete376403]

Boris says it best https://borismihailovic.com/vision-zero-vision-impossible/

[Berries]

Yesterday a pedestrian was killed by a car travelling on Main North Road in Woodend.

It's a 50 kmh road, and until the vehicle speed is determined, lets speculate that it was doing 50 kmh.

This is an excellent example of the reason to slow traffic down, at least in places where people are likely to make a mistake. Pretty much anywhere there are people.

Whatever the reason the pedestrian stepped out in front of the vehicle, the speed of the vehicle determined the outcome.
Only if you speculate it was doing 50km/h.

Lets speculate that the car was doing 30km/h, slowed to 20km/h and the person was tapped lightly, tripped and hit their head on the kerb and died. Or the car was doing 30, slowed to 20 and nudged someone who was old and frail and their age contributed to the sad outcome.

Not going to argue with your general point about slowing down traffic where people are crossing the road but jumping on this crash so quickly when a lot more than just the speed of the vehicle has yet to be determined seems to be pushing the speed management crusade a bit hard.

[FJRider]

It's a question of perspective. If you think purely as an individual the speed reductions are senseless. Likely optimism bias causes you to think you aren't going to crash, so there is no need to reduce your speed.

[QUOTE=rastuscat;1131210675]But if you think of it on a societal level, or community level, crashes happen. So reducing the speed at which they happen makes sense.

The speed limit in Woodend has not changed. I have not heard that local authorities even WANT the Town speed limit changed. But YOU do.

Apparently.

Police ... or even EX Police don't make (or change) the speed limits ... just because they think it's a good idea.


I've always reflected that we object to speeds being limited, but we also think drivers and roads need to be better. It doesn't take much trawling on KB to find stories about crap drivers and roads.

Even with good roads and a good driver ... they'll still hit a pedestrian ... if the ignorant shit steps off the kerb in front of them.

Reducing the fucking speed limit won't stop that.


Once every is as awesome as they think they are,

What's that in English please .. ??


and the roads are like the Nürburgring, I think speeds can remain as they are. But given that roads and drivers are crap, crashes will continue, so it makes sense to limit the harm done.

Nurburgring is a fucking Motor Racing track. AND ... fit for fucking purpose. New Zealand ROADS are NOT a Fucking motor racing track.

Fit for purpose ... is the question though.

Most of my working life ... I have been driving work vehicles. Only one accident requiring hospitalization. And No pedestrian ever dared step out in front of me.


Navy Boy points out that you can't argue with the laws of physics. Impact is logarithmically related to speed. Small increases in speed lead to large increases in harm, because Kinetic energy is the energy that an object has due to its motion. Ek, is the energy of a mass, m, in motion, v2.

I went to school too. And I'm familiar with physics.


Ek = 1/2 mv2

where Ek = Kinetic energy, m = mass, and v = velocity.

So the impact is a product of the speed squared. Hard to argue.

ie: The faster you go ... the bigger the mess ... ;)


And yes, Woodend is still 50 kmh, and is unlikely to change. For the last 25 years a bypass has been talked about and planned, but it hasn't had the money it needs put into it.

If it was such a good idea ... why has it not change .. ??

[Berries]

If it was such a good idea ... why has it not change .. ??
It will become 40km/h once NZTA get round to reviewing the highway speed limits.

[rastuscat]

[QUOTE=rastuscat;1131210675]It's a question of perspective. If you think purely as an individual the speed reductions are senseless. Likely optimism bias causes you to think you aren't going to crash, so there is no need to reduce your speed.



The speed limit in Woodend has not changed. I have not heard that local authorities even WANT the Town speed limit changed. But YOU do.

Apparently.

Police ... or even EX Police don't make (or change) the speed limits ... just because they think it's a good idea.



Even with good roads and a good driver ... they'll still hit a pedestrian ... if the ignorant shit steps off the kerb in front of them.

Reducing the fucking speed limit won't stop that.



What's that in English please .. ??



Nurburgring is a fucking Motor Racing track. AND ... fit for fucking purpose. New Zealand ROADS are NOT a Fucking motor racing track.

Fit for purpose ... is the question though.

Most of my working life ... I have been driving work vehicles. Only one accident requiring hospitalization. And No pedestrian ever dared step out in front of me.



I went to school too. And I'm familiar with physics.



ie: The faster you go ... the bigger the mess ... ;)



If it was such a good idea ... why has it not change .. ??

Flattered that you would multi quote me, line by line. Cheers.

What I was referring to with the Nürburgring reference was that we pretty much accept that drivers are pretty poor, and that our roads are pretty poor, but we object to slowing those poor drivers on poor roads down. Seems kind of conflicting.

No, I don't believe the speed limit on that piece of road in Woodend should change. Where did I say that? I just used it to highlight the issue of vehicle speed and it's effect on pedestrians.

Many roads in our District are pedestrian dense, so 50 kmh is really quite fast in those areas. The 50 kmh speed limit is so out of date. For example, in High Street, Rangiora, nobody can do more than 30 anyway, there are raised pedestrian crossings, and restricted lane widths, with cars parking all over. The 50 kmh limit is farcical.

Neighbourhoods are better places to live when traffic goes slower too. Kids are more likely to play in the street, people are more likely to use the public spaces. Roads are for people not just motor vehicles.

And yes, I think the bypass in Woodend is the best solution. It was due to be built until the changing on the government 5 years ago changed the priorities. If the government changes again, it might be back on the cards. It hasn't changed due to political will.

The road running through Woodend with a steady volume of traffic at a steady 50 kmh splits the community. Remember Orewa being the main road north decades ago? It's far nicer place these days, having been bypassed and traffic calmed.

Play the ball, not the man.

[pritch]

I'm not in favour of simply lowering speed limits and then proclaiming that the road toll problem will/should diminish

British police ranked speed as the seventh highest cause of accidents. That figure was considered artificially high because many accidents were attended by general duties officers rather than specialist traffic police.

Assuming drivers in NZ are not dissimilar to those in the UK, by focussing on speed it would seem we are doing nothing to alleviate the top six causes of accidents.
If we even know what they are.

[rastuscat]

British police ranked speed as the seventh highest cause of accidents. That figure was considered artificially high because many accidents were attended by general duties officers rather than specialist traffic police.

Assuming drivers in NZ are not dissimilar to those in the UK, by focussing on speed it would seem we are doing nothing to alleviate the top six causes of accidents.
If we even know what they are.

The cause of a crash, is relevant. But it doesn't exclude speed as a major determinant of the outcome.

E.g. a car doing 50 kmh hits the a car which pulled out of the side road ahead of them. Causative factor, the car pulling out.

The same car doing 40 kmh would have a better chance of avoiding the car that pulled out, and even if it did hit, it impact would be significantly less.

The speed is a significant determinant factor of the impact, even if it's not a causative factor.

[Moi]

If a government decides to reduce the number of people killed on the roads each year then the government has a number of cards it can play to achieve a reduction in the number of deaths.

The government could do something about the quality of driving - they could institute a programme of driver education.

The government could do something about the quality of the roads - they could begin a programme of improvements to the state highway system with priority on the single digit state highways.

The government could do something about the quality of the vehicle fleet - they could introduce an age limit of vehicles on the road and a much stricter check on vehicles.

The government could do something about one of the factors that make crashes 'fatal crashes' - they could reduce the speed of traffic on roads to what the government considers is a more appropriate speed for the conditions of that section of road.

Of the above the first three will require expenditure that is quite capable of making your eyes water and which will raise questions about 'where does the money come from?' - do we raise the fuel tax? do we raise the RUCs? do we raise general taxation? do we place 'distance based' toll charges on roads? do we cut back in other areas of government spending - shall the government stop building the new hospital in Dunedin or the replacement of Hutt Hospital's earthquake prone building? shall the government not build the replacement local school which is riddled with leaking buildings and mouldy and draughty classrooms? shall the government reduce the funding for social services?

However, the reduction of speed limits is a relatively cheap card to play in comparison to building a dual-carriageway from Christchurch to Dunedin. Look at the cost of the expressways north of Wellington, the expressway north of Auckland - perhaps there is someone on this forum who can give a ball park figure as the cost per kilometre of expressway that is rated for 110km/h.

Reducing the speed on a road gives more time for other cards to be played to improve that road - the installation of side barriers or medium barriers, the straightening of a windy section, the widening of a narrow section, the improvement of intersections - and at the same time reduces the 'fatalness' of crashes on that road. Running off a road into a drainage ditch at 80km/h is better than doing it at 100km/h. Not running off a road is even better still!

I guess the final decision will be in the hands of the people and we'll see which way that goes at the election at the end of the year...

[pete376403]

"Road to Zero" started out as "Vision Zero" in Sweden and govts around the world have been quick to jump on the bandwagon. Swedens zero target was 2020 but that hasn't worked out so well for them, despite the well educated population, relatively low population, very good roads (Roads in Sweden are built with safety prioritised over speed or convenience. Low urban speed-limits, pedestrian zones and barriers that separate cars from bikes and oncoming traffic have helped. Building 1,500 kilometres (900 miles) of "2+1" roads—where each lane of traffic takes turns to use a middle lane for overtaking—is reckoned to have saved around 145 lives over the first decade of Vision Zero) yet the road toll there remains "In 1997 the Swedish Parliament introduced a "Vision Zero" policy that requires that fatalities and serious injuries are reduced to zero by 2020. This is a significant step-change in transport policy at the European level. All new roads are built to this standard and older roads are modified. Vision Zero also incorporated other countermeasures targeting drivers and vehicles. It is worth noting that Sweden's road death toll was declining prior to 1997 and continued to do so under Vision Zero. However, the number of deaths has not improved since 2013." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vision_Zero

[James Deuce]

Nobody gives a fuck if you live or die. They REALLY care if you survive and cost the taxpayer money. The only reason "Road to Zero" exists is because no one wants to pay for the road network maintenance. So if you reduce speed trucks fuck it up less.

All the boohoo, wank, wank shit about personal cost of injury and death means nothing. It's about reducing the Governments exposure to injury costs and the cost of maintaining our overly extensive road network.

[rastuscat]

Nobody gives a fuck if you live or die. They REALLY care if you survive and cost the taxpayer money. The only reason "Road to Zero" exists is because no one wants to pay for the road network maintenance. So if you reduce speed trucks fuck it up less.

All the boohoo, wank, wank shit about personal cost of injury and death means nothing. It's about reducing the Governments exposure to injury costs and the cost of maintaining our overly extensive road network.

Possibly in the Treasury.

But I know many people who work in the road safety field because they do give a shit. I've bounced around a few road safety roles, and stick with this thankless task as I believe in what we are doing.

It costs a fortune to fix roads, and asking people to educate themselves is an uphill battle. People think driver education is the answer........and that everyone else needs it, but not them.

But the population could change the road toll for free, overnight, by changing the way they use the roads.

But we won't, because we just sit back and love to point the finger at everyone else.

Everyone wants change, but nobody wants to change.

[James Deuce]

Possibly in the Treasury.

But I know many people who work in the road safety field because they do give a shit. I've bounced around a few road safety roles, and stick with this thankless task as I believe in what we are doing.

It costs a fortune to fix roads, and asking people to educate themselves is an uphill battle. People think driver education is the answer........and that everyone else needs it, but not them.

But the population could change the road toll for free, overnight, by changing the way they use the roads.

But we won't, because we just sit back and love to point the finger at everyone else.

Everyone wants change, but nobody wants to change.

Individuals don't matter to anyone in any form of Government or any Corporation. The reality is the people who inflict harm on other people in society get a leg up. Everyone else is left to rot and cope. The bottom line is the only thing that matters. NPR released a news article today blaming Millennials for the massive population dip that is on its way. They can't afford to have kids because their basic needs are so expensive that it's no longer an option. Most Western societies are well under the 2.1 per family unit required to replace the current population so Governments and Corporations are getting antsy about where the next round of exploitable drones are coming from.

If I died tomorrow no one would give a shit or probably notice. Road to Zero is total nonsense driven by a neo-liberal desire to drive costs down and reduce the mobility of their work "force."

I don't believe that anyone cares about anyone else if they don't have to due to them being immediate family. I've seen no evidence of it.

[rastuscat]

Individuals don't matter to anyone in any form of Government or any Corporation. The reality is the people who inflict harm on other people in society get a leg up. Everyone else is left to rot and cope. The bottom line is the only thing that matters. NPR released a news article today blaming Millennials for the massive population dip that is on its way. They can't afford to have kids because their basic needs are so expensive that it's no longer an option. Most Western societies are well under the 2.1 per family unit required to replace the current population so Governments and Corporations are getting antsy about where the next round of exploitable drones are coming from.

If I died tomorrow no one would give a shit or probably notice. Road to Zero is total nonsense driven by a neo-liberal desire to drive costs down and reduce the mobility of their work "force."

I don't believe that anyone cares about anyone else if they don't have to due to them being immediate family. I've seen no evidence of it.

Believe it or not, there and thousands who work in societal benefit roles, who would be paid more in private service, but who remain in public service as it's how you can have the greatest impact on the public good.

[jellywrestler]

It costs a fortune to fix roads, and asking people to educate themselves is an uphill battle. People think driver education is the answer........and that everyone else needs it, but not them.


so force it on them, why don't we see adverts on tv educating people, showing the right way around a roundabout, the right way to not use your phone when you are not allowed to? All we see is adverts about speed and alcohol.
I did a defensive driving course decades ago and still remember some of the tips they taught us, Why aren't these put into adverts so people can see what to do??????
yes some will not absorb it but many will I'm sure.

[FJRider]

Flattered that you would multi quote me, line by line. Cheers.

What I was referring to with the Nürburgring reference was that we pretty much accept that drivers are pretty poor, and that our roads are pretty poor, but we object to slowing those poor drivers on poor roads down. Seems kind of conflicting.

No, I don't believe the speed limit on that piece of road in Woodend should change. Where did I say that? I just used it to highlight the issue of vehicle speed and it's effect on pedestrians.

Many roads in our District are pedestrian dense, so 50 kmh is really quite fast in those areas. The 50 kmh speed limit is so out of date. For example, in High Street, Rangiora, nobody can do more than 30 anyway, there are raised pedestrian crossings, and restricted lane widths, with cars parking all over. The 50 kmh limit is farcical.

Neighbourhoods are better places to live when traffic goes slower too. Kids are more likely to play in the street, people are more likely to use the public spaces. Roads are for people not just motor vehicles.

And yes, I think the bypass in Woodend is the best solution. It was due to be built until the changing on the government 5 years ago changed the priorities. If the government changes again, it might be back on the cards. It hasn't changed due to political will.

The road running through Woodend with a steady volume of traffic at a steady 50 kmh splits the community. Remember Orewa being the main road north decades ago? It's far nicer place these days, having been bypassed and traffic calmed.

Play the ball, not the man.

I try to avoid the north island. And pretty much disregard what happens there. I had to google Orewa to see where it was. Never heard of the place.

How do you slow down the poor drivers ... without slowing the "Better" drivers .. ?? One statement you made (post 1737 in this thread)


E.g. a car doing 50 kmh hits the a car which pulled out of the side road ahead of them. Causative factor, the car pulling out.

The same car doing 40 kmh would have a better chance of avoiding the car that pulled out, and even if it did hit, it impact would be significantly less. ... So that doesn't mean you think the speed limit should be reduced. Gotcha.

As far as I was aware ... Transit decides speed limits on National Highways. Any word on THEIR take on the Woodend speed limits .. ??

And the density of Woodend Residents is renown .. :devil2:

As in Rangiora ... if you can't actually travel at the posted speed limit ... why worry about having it at that figure ??

Luxton says he wants Highway one two lanes in each direction. The end result would be similar to the promise of two thousand state homes being built if they (Labour) said they would build if they won the election.

A bypass has positive AND negative results to a town. Less traffic usually means less money getting spent by traffic passing through. There has to be things to encourage the traffic (well some of it) to stop there and spend money.

The ball is in your court.

[pete376403]

Believe it or not, there and thousands who work in societal benefit roles, who would be paid more in private service, but who remain in public service as it's how you can have the greatest impact on the public good.

No, they stay in public service roles cos they know in their heart of hearts they would never get the same money in private sector AND they also know that failing to meet targets in private sector would see them out on their arse tout de suite (and in the public sector there is a really good superannuation scheme to cover their retirement at the end it - when they transfer to the private sector as consultants)

[rastuscat]

No, they stay in public service roles cos they know in their heart of hearts they would never get the same money in private sector AND they also know that failing to meet targets in private sector would see them out on their arse tout de suite (and in the public sector there is a really good superannuation scheme to cover their retirement at the end it - when they transfer to the private sector as consultants)

The skills I have are all around road safety stuff. Mostly motorcycles, but road safety in general.

Most of those roles are in public service areas, local government and national government (with a small n).

It's hardly surprising that I gravitate toward roles in local and national government.

As regards remuneration, the super scheme I am in (Kiwisaver) is available to anyone. Not sure it's why I do what I do.

I've promised my self never to work in a Govt department again, my years of doing a lot to achieve little are gone. I'm getting sufficiently close to retirement that I actually want to achieve things.

[SPman]

Bullshit, if he had been doing .5 kph less for his journey, regardless how far that was, they would never have "met" .... or .5 more ...

[Ocean1]

I've bounced around a few road safety roles, and stick with this thankless task as I believe in what we are doing.

Did you ever wonder why nobody thanks you for it?

[FJRider]

As for the rest of your post, please try to remember I'm just agreeing with the physics behind the rationale. I'm not getting into an argument over personal responsibility, right or wrong, blame etc (because you;ll most likely find we agree on all of that), I'm simply saying the physics stack up.

I'm glad the "Physics" stack up.


However ... it seems nothing (in regard to this towns speed limit of 50km/hr) has changed.


Perhaps ... the "Physics" on it's own as an argument ... simply isn't as important as you two seem to think it is.

As was stated ... a by-pass was/is planned. Problem solved ... maybe.


Until then ... we wait.


Has the plans and/or groundwork started yet .. ?? ... I haven't been up that way for a while.