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husaberg

29th June 2019, 17:32

Well no, to be fair it shrunk a bit, it didn't burst.
The 15 to 25 chums probably didn't do their homework & piled on in there in a great panic before it was 50k a HA, I mean dairy farmers aren't usually the sharpest tools in the shed.
If they hang in there they will eventually break even at worst.
Selling in a downturn is the behaviour of the desperate or easily spooked.

A lot of farmers brought at near 100% do the maths using the equity thye had in other farms the secnd farm along with the first is worth significantly less now so they owe more than 100% of its worth.
The bubble most certainly burst, the only reason more here were not wond up is the banks couldn't find a buyer in such a depressed market.
You need to remember these farms have also been running at a loss for likely 6 of the last 8 years.
There is a lot of variability in the intelligence levels of any industry, But you need to consider in boom times you have banks tripping over themselves to lend money to farmers.
Selling isn't necessary a desperation thing but you need to consider the average age of farm owners is likely near the Pension limits.

Swoop

30th June 2019, 16:42

You can use the system where they drill holes variously in the internal or external walls & pour in polystyrene beads.
This system is a little dangerous as they can get into the flush boxes & cause fire if they aren't sealed up prior to installation.
Correct, there are ways of doing the walls, but this isn't compulsory.

sidecar bob

30th June 2019, 17:10

Ahh Labour, champions of the low income grafters.
https://www.sunlive.co.nz/news/213468-more-petrol-taxes-to-be-piled-on-tomorrow.html
I love my T Max. not my 4.8 litre V8 so much

husaberg

30th June 2019, 17:57

Ahh Labour, champions of the low income grafters.
https://www.sunlive.co.nz/news/213468-more-petrol-taxes-to-be-piled-on-tomorrow.html
I love my T Max. not my 4.8 litre V8 so much
NZ national Debt
342294

sidecar bob

30th June 2019, 18:02

NZ national Debt
342294

How about we stay on topic with the fuel tax for a moment?
Same as the rent rises, it's only going to hurt the low income sector, the same gullible munters that voted her in.
I couldn't care less, my compulsory fuel bill is around $20 per week, anything else is whimsical.

husaberg

30th June 2019, 18:05

How about we stay on topic with the fuel tax for a moment?

Its is the same topic Labour increase a tax to balance the spending requirements, for needed work because of 9 years of infrastructure and health services being ran down, National on the othe hand just borrowed more money.......

austingtir

30th June 2019, 18:13

Just when you think Paddy "forrest gump" Gower couldnt go any lower in the journalism stakes he comes out with another load of crap.

He's trying to say now because phillip arps made some comments about slitting Winnies throat at a anti UN migration compact rally he's somehow connected to Nationals Simon Bridges because the Nats to want to get rid of that rubbish as well.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/eeEyVZiVW_M/hqdefault.jpg

They are also saying its connected back to generation identity europe and that is also connected to simon somehow....

This is nothing more than leftist propaganda hit piece..

They are drawing a really long bow to make any connection to Bridges. More tomorrow he reckons, will we see what these connections are?

Winston has finally lost all his marbles here. Calling on Simon to resign (he should but not for this). Simon better show some balls and go after these two muppets.

sidecar bob

30th June 2019, 18:21

Its is the same topic Labour increase a tax to balance the spending requirements, for needed work because of 9 years of infrastructure and health services being ran down, National on the othe hand just borrowed more money.......

If they weren't running around being Santa Claus to the downtrodden & paying 200million plus for guns they don't need they wouldn't have to find another bean.

husaberg

30th June 2019, 18:27

If they weren't running around being Santa Claus to the downtrodden & paying 200million plus for guns they don't need they wouldn't have to find another bean.

So why did national have to borrow all that money without doing that then?
200 million for a gun buy back is a one off cost to make NZ safer for ever, its only a few john key flag referendums.
the one terrorist attack cost will likely be higher than 200 million.

sidecar bob

30th June 2019, 18:29

So why did national have to borrow all that money without doing that then?
200 million for a gun buy back is a one off cost to make NZ safer for ever, its only a few john key flag referendums.
the one terrorist attack cost will likely be higher than 200 million.

But Nashnil.
The problem with the gun buyback is that even an idiot can see it's going to pan out the same as kiwi build.
It's the Labour way, over promise & under deliver.

husaberg

30th June 2019, 18:34

But Nashnil.
The problem with the gun buyback is that even an idiot can see it's going to pan out the same as kiwi build.
It's the Labour way, over promise & under deliver.

Your not just any idiot. all you ever complain about is but but but labour....
Odd that the gun law and buy back worked in Aussie.
If the last crowd have have listed to the recommendations from there own committees and the police on gun laws and reform we would 't need to be doing this shit.
Ps you never said why we had to borrow all that money over tha last 9 years now you moan about a government that balances the books.

Murray

30th June 2019, 19:06

200 million for a gun buy back is a one off cost to make NZ safer for ever, its only a few john key flag referendums.

What level maths did you pass at school??

sidecar bob

30th June 2019, 19:08

Your not just any idiot. all you ever complain about is but but but labour....
Odd that the gun law and buy back worked in Aussie.
If the last crowd have have listed to the recommendations from there own committees and the police on gun laws and reform we would 't need to be doing this shit.
Ps you never said why we had to borrow all that money over tha last 9 years now you moan about a government that balances the books.
I'm simply pointing out their ineptitude to those that aren't following it closely. I see you're a bit lonely in here these days standing up for your girlfriend.
Maybe Australia managed their buyback properly.
All I'm hearing you say is "ram it in Jacinda"

austingtir

30th June 2019, 19:09

What level maths did you pass at school??

Probably the same level as all the other dole queue bludgers that blurt out the same leftist propaganda as this clown.

Grumph

30th June 2019, 19:23

Grumph

30th June 2019, 19:27

austingtir

30th June 2019, 19:49

I thought of you when I watched that. Given your on line stance, I'd be prepared to bet various police and intelligence services already know your name.

It'll be interesting to see how long you continue to have internet access. Your idol Trump will lose his twitter followers once he's locked up too.

Pfff so your basically saying we live in a communist country? (we do)

If you lot want to act like a bunch of pussies that's your bag.

Im to busy Making Aotearoa Great Again to GAF.

husaberg

30th June 2019, 19:50

I'm simply pointing out their ineptitude to those that aren't following it closely. I see you're a bit lonely in here these days standing up for your girlfriend.
Maybe Australia managed their buyback properly.
All I'm hearing you say is "ram it in Jacinda"

Seriously ineptitude the best you have is not building enough of what national never done.
Why is is you never mention the ineptitude of the previous goverment borrowing money for the last 9 years previous that needs to be paid pack with interest.
If you want to discuss ineptitude look to the leader of the oposition that less than 1 in ten see as being a possible PM.
This thread is one big labour moan from group of National voters who actually think their views form some majority.
The gun loaw changes were 100% supported by national as well as the vast majority of kiwis in case you never noticed.
But feel free to not notice that.

husaberg

30th June 2019, 19:54

What level maths did you pass at school??

The flag referendum was 22 million so its nine flag referendums. wooopy do, and what did the flag referendum accomplish zero, zip, nada, status quo.

sidecar bob

30th June 2019, 20:08

Seriously ineptitude the best you have is not building enough of what national never done.
Why is is you never mention the ineptitude of the previous goverment borrowing money for the last 9 years previous that needs to be paid pack with interest.
If you want to discuss ineptitude look to the leader of the oposition that less than 1 in ten see as being a possible PM.
This thread is one big labour moan from group of National voters who actually think their views form some majority.
The gun loaw changes were 100% supported by national as well as the vast majority of kiwis in case you never noticed.
But feel free to not notice that.

So how about these new petrol taxes eh?:msn-wink:

husaberg

30th June 2019, 20:31

So how about these new petrol taxes eh?:msn-wink:

How about you answer
Like for instance the last 10 questions or how it is national raised the petrol tax and the Gst yet still had to borrow money to balance the books every year, you never moaned about it then either..........
Nor how petrol i cheaper now than most of the time what it was under national
https://figure.nz/chart/lSYJzICrinllOY7p/download

austingtir

30th June 2019, 20:40

^^ Just vote New Conservative and all these issues wont be problem any more.

National and Labour are joke parties that lemmings vote for.

Swoop

30th June 2019, 21:55

200 million for a gun buy back is a one off cost to make NZ safer for ever,
Buahahahahahahahaha!
I'm sure the gangs appreciate the gesture though.

Maybe Australia managed their buyback properly.
Nope. They fucked that up, so they had to have a second one.

husaberg

30th June 2019, 22:49

Buahahahahahahahaha!
I'm sure the gangs appreciate the gesture though.

Nope. They fucked that up, so they had to have a second one.

How many people do the gangs kill a year with guns in nz that are not in gangs or involved in drug deals then Swoop

Ocean1

30th June 2019, 23:16

Calm down. This thread has become the default National party channel so there's no point in posting anything approaching rationality.
I'd point out the situation is still unchanged. National still has no friends and at this point is unlikely to get in next time around.

Must seem that way from a labour supporter's point of view. In fact surveys have shown most social media in NZ leans well left, it's no different here. The moderate right are probably all too busy with the sort of social media that arrives across the club bar.

And if there's been a fair bit of criticism of labour's performance here recently then it's not difficult to understand why, even for someone who supported their claimed goals. Deflecting perfectly valid criticism of their failure to meet their own standards with "but national" isn't rational, it's a pointless and transparent knee-jerk reaction from a spectacularly one eyed partisan.

jasonu

1st July 2019, 04:06

How about we stay on topic

With that bell end. Yeah right.

jasonu

1st July 2019, 04:11

I thought of you when I watched that. Given your on line stance, I'd be prepared to bet various police and intelligence services already know your name.

It'll be interesting to see how long you continue to have internet access. Your idol Trump will lose his twitter followers once he's locked up too.

Are you saying you think NZ government agencies will ban him from the internet because he disagrees with their policies?

jasonu

1st July 2019, 04:15

How many people do the gangs kill a year with guns in nz that are not in gangs or involved in drug deals then Swoop

So you?re ok with gangs having guns?

Grumph

1st July 2019, 06:39

Are you saying you think NZ government agencies will ban him from the internet because he disagrees with their policies?

I don't think the govt will ban him Jason, but I do wonder why he's on here spouting his rubbish. Has he been banned from other sites ?
There is undeniably a lot more scrutiny of on line activity since the ChCh attacks. Good thing too. I doubt you're following the case of the other idiot in ChCh - Arps - who sounds very like our own austingtr. He's gone down for a spell - and there could be more charges coming.

sidecar bob

1st July 2019, 08:40

husaberg

1st July 2019, 09:16

So you?re ok with gangs having guns?

Only that is not at all what i said is it, What i am not okay with is using "the gangs have guns" as an excuse to not return keep prohibited guns or not change the law.
The Gun law changes were backed by all parties other than one dipshit out of 120 odd Mp's
The gun law changes were also backed or thought of as not going far enough by 80% of Kiwis.
Do you think its a co-incidence how lax the US gun laws are and how much gun violence you have are not related.

Grumph

1st July 2019, 09:19

In point of fact, I'm doing better under this govt than under the last. Supplementary power subsidy over winter, local fuel supplier giving a 15c/l discount for gold card holders.
I've lived through more nat governments than most of you. Shook Mrs Holyoake's hand, met Kirk and Lange. Worked alongside ex MP's. They all mean well but IMO the nats are hamstrung by their beliefs. The left is where change comes from - and shit yes, we need change.

The major problem now is inequity of wealth. the poor get poorer, the rich get richer. Is this a good thing ?

One thing we're working on at a local level which may yet make policy is a govt overseer for local govt affairs. When your local council lose in court but won't perform the required work or settlement, it's not currently possible to get enforcement except by going back to court. Where the council's deeper pockets let them take it further. You may win - but you'll be broke. Looking at a tribunal system to level the playing field.
Change again - which I'd doubt would come from national...

austingtir

1st July 2019, 09:19

I doubt you're following the case of the other idiot in ChCh - Arps - who sounds very like our own austingtr. He's gone down for a spell - and there could be more charges coming.

But what I was going on about (and probably the fake leftist news you've swallowed) is Gower making out like Simon bridges is somehow connected to Arps and Generation Identity simply because they two were against the UN migration compact.

On the surface it seems like a totally absurd assertion to make but I guess we will see tonight what proof Winnie has for calling for Simons resignation.

Winston was outright calling for Simon's resignation so he obviously think's he has some connection.

So its either true or Winnie and Gower are leftist propaganda turds. I think its obvious to most whats going to come out tonight.

sidecar bob

1st July 2019, 09:38

In point of fact, I'm doing better under this govt than under the last. Supplementary power subsidy over winter, local fuel supplier giving a 15c/l discount for gold card holders.
is that really a subsidy/discount for gold card holders, or a tax for non gold card holders?
I've lived through more nat governments than most of you. Shook Mrs Holyoake's hand, met Kirk and Lange. Worked alongside ex MP's. They all mean well but IMO the nats are hamstrung by their beliefs. The left is where change comes from - and shit yes, we need change.we need good change, not just any change

The major problem now is inequity of wealth. the poor get poorer, the rich get richer. Is this a good thing ?
the answer to that would depend on wether you were rich or poor I guess
One thing we're working on at a local level which may yet make policy is a govt overseer for local govt affairs. When your local council lose in court but won't perform the required work or settlement, it's not currently possible to get enforcement except by going back to court. Where the council's deeper pockets let them take it further. You may win - but you'll be broke. Looking at a tribunal system to level the playing field.
Change again - which I'd doubt would come from national..sounds great on the face of it!
..........

husaberg

1st July 2019, 10:22

Looks like people are mistaking me linking news about the govts progress & lack of it for being all dressed in blue.
Some red herring posted by Husa to take the scrutiny off this broken promise doesn't distract me.
Mark my words, if the average voter isint hoodwinked next election into believing that Jacinda's policy's are somehow different to Andrew Little's ones, & National get another crack at it I'll be taking my responsibility of having a bit of extra time on my hands to point out the govts shortfalls & bullshit to our dear friends that are busy working too hard to support the country to notice.
I will find every news article that suggests they ether lying, breaking promises, or simply too stupid to organise some houses built & share them so nobody misses out.
I can't stand a bullshitter, weather it's an individual, or a government & I will be pointing it out regardless of their skivvy colour, in fact I will be more on to the other guys, because I expected no better from these ones.
Does anyone remember "no new taxes"? Nobody said anything about doubling the old ones.
It's people like Grumph that this one hits in the pocket, a bloke that lives far from the city, on the pension, that can't write the fuel off, just trying to help out a few others sometimes at his own expense.

The last time national was in power they doubled NZ net debt and its Debt vs GDP i dont think NZ can afford another Blue government yet.
You never wanted the houses built and the last lot did nothing about housing and all of a sudden its faux irks you. Get real.
Maybe if you actually held the same scrutiny to all governments, people would consider to be at least a tiny objective and unbiased. But you dont.
What this thread is 4 Right wing eggs continually moaning about nothing, trying to make out its something, while ignoring the fact national will never get in as their leader is useless and National have no friends as they are the smelly kid no one likes.
here is 435 fact checked John key lies
https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2016/06/04/435-lies-by-john-key/
including not raising GSt and not selling state assets.
Not doing secret deals with casinos not ilegally spying on kiwis lying to the house about 60 times.
Not a peep out of you about it.

Ocean1

1st July 2019, 10:33

The major problem now is inequity of wealth. the poor get poorer, the rich get richer.

They are? 342295342296

But whatever, why on earth would anyone expect equality of wealth? Is there equality of productivity?

Seriously, I could, with as much justification demand equality of rugby results. Should I get compensation because I didn't appear on the cover of last month's BIKE magazine? Should I be allowed access to subsidies for plastic surgery to make me equally attractive? Equality of wealth is a ridiculous concept.

austingtir

1st July 2019, 10:36

Why on earth would anyone expect equality of wealth? Is there equality of productivity?

Seriously, I could, with as much justification demand equality of rugby results. Should I get compensation because I didn't appear on the cover of last month's BIKE magazine? Should I be allowed access to subsidies for plastic surgery to make me equally attractive?

Your talking to fairly hard core socialists here bro. They probably think the world is going to end in 12 years because of climate change to.

jasonu

1st July 2019, 13:35

husaberg

1st July 2019, 14:20

Only that is not at all what i said is it, What i am not okay with is using "the gangs have guns" as an excuse to not return keep prohibited guns or not change the law.

I don?t recall anyone on here, in the Harold or anywhere else saying that. If you can point out where someone said EXACTLY that I would be very surprised.

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/183438-The-2017-Election-Thread?p=1131135489#post1131135489

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/42615-The-firearm-thread?p=1131131511#post1131131511

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/42615-The-firearm-thread?p=1131129349#post1131129349

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/42615-The-firearm-thread?p=1131129040#post1131129040

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/42615-The-firearm-thread?p=1131129163#post1131129163

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/42615-The-firearm-thread?p=1131129040#post1131129040

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/42615-The-firearm-thread?p=1131132130#post1131132130

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/42615-The-firearm-thread?p=1131130912#post1131130912

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/42615-The-firearm-thread?p=1131130760#post1131130760

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/42615-The-firearm-thread?p=1131130867#post1131130867

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/42615-The-firearm-thread?p=1131130844#post1131130844

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/42615-The-firearm-thread?p=1131130762#post1131130762

COLFO opposes:
• Any amendment to the Arms Act (except as regards tariffs for offending) as this
will make no difference whatsoever to the criminal misuse of forearms;
• Any re-classification of semi-automatic rifles and shotguns to an “E”
endorsement as this will make no difference whatsoever to the criminal use of
firearms and will be counterproductive;
• Any restrictions on the lawful use of the firearms as this will make no difference
to the criminal misuse of firearms and will be counterproductive.

sidecar bob

1st July 2019, 17:54

They are? 342295342296

But whatever, why on earth would anyone expect equality of wealth? Is there equality of productivity?

Seriously, I could, with as much justification demand equality of rugby results. Should I get compensation because I didn't appear on the cover of last month's BIKE magazine? Should I be allowed access to subsidies for plastic surgery to make me equally attractive? Equality of wealth is a ridiculous concept.

I'm all about equality of wealth.
I was yarning with a chum this morning that's worth around 30 million, I'd be all about combining his wealth with mine & then splitting it two ways between us.

austingtir

1st July 2019, 18:37

I'm all about equality of wealth.
I was yarning with a chum this morning that's worth around 30 million, I'd be all about combining his wealth with mine & then splitting it two ways between us.

Stalin and Mao would be proud of you comrade!

jasonu

1st July 2019, 19:21

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/183438-The-2017-Election-Thread?p=1131135489#post1131135489

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/42615-The-firearm-thread?p=1131131511#post1131131511

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/42615-The-firearm-thread?p=1131129349#post1131129349

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/42615-The-firearm-thread?p=1131129040#post1131129040

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/42615-The-firearm-thread?p=1131129163#post1131129163

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/42615-The-firearm-thread?p=1131129040#post1131129040

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/42615-The-firearm-thread?p=1131132130#post1131132130

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/42615-The-firearm-thread?p=1131130912#post1131130912

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/42615-The-firearm-thread?p=1131130760#post1131130760

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/42615-The-firearm-thread?p=1131130867#post1131130867

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/42615-The-firearm-thread?p=1131130844#post1131130844

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/42615-The-firearm-thread?p=1131130762#post1131130762

I read the 1st 2 and neither said the same number thing you said. Didn?t bother going any further.

Ocean1

1st July 2019, 19:31

I read the 1st 2 and neither said the same number thing you said. Didn?t bother going any further.

Well certainly the first 2 are nowhere near an "excuse to not return keep prohibited guns or not change the law". I read them more as "why not try enforcing the laws you've already got before you add a bunch more you won't bother to enforce?"

h'berg has never been shy of reinterpreting shit to match his ideology, he's just not very good at it.

husaberg

1st July 2019, 19:33

I read the 1st 2 and neither said the same number thing you said. Didn?t bother going any further.

KKKuntman used to do the same bait and switch, where he raises the burden of proof to some unreachable level and refuses to accept any evidence to the contrary. While at the same time accepting any half baked slander or unfounded rumor if its supporting his ideology.

jasonu

2nd July 2019, 03:35

KKKuntman used to do the same bait and switch, where he raises the burden of proof to some unreachable level and refuses to accept any evidence to the contrary. While at the same time accepting any half baked slander or unfounded rumor if its supporting his ideology.

There was no bait and switch or any unreachable level. You simply couldn?t back up an idiotic statement and have again proven yourself to be a total egg*

*egg=annoying cunt.

sidecar bob

2nd July 2019, 09:05

But Nashnil, But Nashnil.
https://www.sunlive.co.nz/news/213652-fuel-tax-to-fund-crucial-transport-projects.html
FFS Jan, are you on KB as husaberg? You can see where it starts, she manages to blame National six times in nearly as many lines, it's the Labour way. Is that some kind of new record? Just own today & stop trying to deflect the responsibility to the govt that the most voters chose last election.
In her defence she was a school teacher until recently, before she decided on a carrier in politics, so it's not like she's hugely talented in that field, much like the rest of the Labour Party.
If you dig into their pasts you would be horrified at the lack of anything they have been doing prior, related to the job in hand.
Around 50% of the cost of fuel is tax, but it's out of govt control.
I look forward to "crucial transport infrastructure projects" that will be of some benefit to me. Maybe GST free scooter tyres.

Ocean1

2nd July 2019, 09:19

But Nashnil, But Nashnil.
https://www.sunlive.co.nz/news/213652-fuel-tax-to-fund-crucial-transport-projects.html
FFS Jan, are you on KB as husaberg? You can see where it starts.
Around 50% of the cost of fuel is tax, but it's out of govt control.
I look forward to crucial transport infrastructure projects that will be of some benefit to me. Maybe GST free scooter tyres.

Ask her where all the current fuel taxes go. Almost all of the many tax increases to fuel were originally ring fenced for transport/roading improvements. Almost all of them are now consigned to the general consolidated fund, available for buying votes.

That tactic is responsible for most new taxes and increases, across most cost centers: new tax justified to fund that sector's particular infrastructure spending requirements, and then quietly diverted to spend on election promises. Which means another tax, to fund that sector's particular infrastructure spending requirements. This time they haven't even rinsed it, it's almost word for word from the last fuel tax increase.

husaberg

2nd July 2019, 09:37

There was no bait and switch or any unreachable level. You simply couldn?t back up an idiotic statement and have again proven yourself to be a total egg*

*egg=annoying cunt.

Funny I supplied all the information you requested you just simply are not smart enough to process it. But hey don't shoot the messenger aye.

But Nashnil, But Nashnil.

Odd all your posts are but labour but labour for stuff that happened under the previous government you never moaned about......... Odd how if the goverment changes so do what t important to you.

sidecar bob

2nd July 2019, 09:49

Odd all your posts are but labour but labour for stuff that happened under the previous government you never moaned about......... Odd how if the goverment changes so do what t important to you.
They're not, but Labour, But Labour, they're links to current events, not dragging up the past to make myself look equally villinous.
Did you miss my earlier post where I said I'd ring the bell on any bullshitter regardless of skivvy colour?

That aside, what do you make of Jan's year seven styled press release?
Having sold my business I now wear a non coloured skivvy, I just want what's best, regardless of tooth size.

husaberg

2nd July 2019, 09:54

Did you miss my earlier post where I said I'd ring the bell on any bullshitter regardless of skivvy colour?

That aside, what do you make of Jan's year seven styled press release?
Having sold my business I now wear a non coloured skivvy, I just want what's best, regardless of tooth size.

Never read it.
Odd then none of these came up previously
https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2016/06/04/435-lies-by-john-key/
Ps they are but labour but labours as they was not a peep about the gst rise or the fuel rises under the last government.
nor was there a peep about the continued lies.

sidecar bob

2nd July 2019, 09:56

Never read it.

The old head in the sand trick, that's bound to make them look better

Ocean1

2nd July 2019, 12:32

The old head in the sand trick, that's bound to make them look better

There's also the fact that even when nashnil fucked up there wasn't much point bitching about it because the alternative was always going to be the sort of game-breaking fail we're seeing now.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/113920161/a-further-fall-in-business-confidence-points-to-economic-growth-dropping-to-stall-speed

Que pointless extended rant about nashnil's debt...

husaberg

2nd July 2019, 14:20

The old head in the sand trick, that's bound to make them look better

No never interested me, I DIDN'T KNOW THERE WOuLD BE A TEST.<_<
Lets see she said she believed the fuel companies were coluding wit fuwl price
Its hardly new
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12892
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/103470616/behind-the-pricing-internal-email-lifts-veil-on-bps-petrol-prices

Oh look Nazitional wanted to do the same but whatever
Energy Minister Judith Collins has vowed to “get to the bottom” of rising petrol margins, signalling an announcement of an inquiry could come next week.
As official figures suggest the margins Kiwis are paying to fill up at the pump rose again in 2016, and have doubled over the past decade, the AA claims two price rises in January came despite the price petrol companies pay being flat.
The AA has called for petrol companies to explain what is going on, with areas including Wellington and much of the South Island frequently charging motorists 30c a litre more than towns such as Levin and Masterton, despite being further from where fuel is imported.
https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/petrol-margins.png

I see you have again ignored the 435 documented lies, while claiming to be all about the truth.........

Swoop

2nd July 2019, 17:44

How many people do the gangs kill a year with guns in nz that are not in gangs or involved in drug deals then Swoop
I'm surprised you havent provided a link already.

And if there's been a fair bit of criticism of labour's performance here recently then it's not difficult to understand why, even for someone who supported their claimed goals. Deflecting perfectly valid criticism of their failure to meet their own standards with "but national" isn't rational, it's a pointless and transparent knee-jerk reaction from a spectacularly one eyed partisan.
Their stated goals were nothing but hot-air and propaganda.
Having a solid, stated, achievable goal* would be one thing, but "end homelessness" "child poverty", etc, etc is non achieveable due to lifestyle choices.

* The stated goals here, are complete pish. Coming up with a number needs to be backed up with quantities of tradespeople and logistics to begin with, then you have the utter ineptitude of local councils fucking up the entire system of approvals. Liarbour screwed this up from the very start, simply because of not living in the real world and breathing the socialist air on planet Loony.

sidecar bob

2nd July 2019, 17:59

I'm surprised you havent provided a link already.

Their stated goals were nothing but hot-air and propaganda.
Having a solid, stated, achievable goal* would be one thing, but "end homelessness" "child poverty", etc, etc is non achieveable due to lifestyle choices.

No doubt, They're the kings of feel good, baseless catchy slogans that fool simpletons:msn-wink:

husaberg

2nd July 2019, 18:14

No doubt, They're the kings of feel good, baseless catchy slogans that fool simpletons:msn-wink:

https://personallydisordered.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/national-billboard.jpghttps://thestandard.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/key-resign.jpghttps://fmacskasy.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/this-was-later-2008-election-year.png

Murray

5th July 2019, 21:24

husaberg

5th July 2019, 21:36

Don't forget ZERO road deaths!
Odd key never liked to discuss numbers or targets
https://www.facebook.com/TheAMShowNZ/videos/635182899948030/

Wednesday, 22 October 2014
Prime Minister John Key last month made tackling child poverty a top priority but yesterday, the issue was barely mentioned in his agenda for the next three years.

sidecar bob

9th July 2019, 18:02

I hope everyone likes electric cars.
And being taxed for driving a nice big flash petrol one.

Swoop

9th July 2019, 19:19

I hope everyone likes electric cars.
And being taxed for driving a nice big flash petrol one.

Also paying much, much more for basic stuff.

Can you imagine a tradie trying to haul around a looad of tools? Farmers attempting to carry fenceposts around in their "prius"?

Fucking greenie cunts really have no idea. It's all about their ideology.

Ocean1

9th July 2019, 19:21

I hope everyone likes electric cars.
And being taxed for driving a nice big flash petrol one.

I wonder if the tax offset accounts for the fact that the majority of electricity fed to electric cars is coal/gas generated.
Or if there'll be a tax to offset the ecological disaster the batteries represent.

austingtir

9th July 2019, 19:57

I hope everyone likes electric cars.
And being taxed for driving a nice big flash petrol one.

I'll just keep my old E55 AMG with no cats and my old Navara also with no cats and a big turbo on it thanks. I dont give a flying toss how much they charge me to run them.

By the end of next year these retards will be gone never to be seen again.

Vote New Conservative!

austingtir

9th July 2019, 19:58

I wonder if the tax offset accounts for the fact that the majority of electricity fed to electric cars is coal/gas generated.
Or if there'll be a tax to offset the ecological disaster the batteries represent.

The Greens dont look that far ahead with any of their policies. Its all about the feels for them.

NZ is actually a good country to run electric vehicles in because we have alot of hydro power (once the battery technology develops properly which imo its not there yet). Thats fine for the large urban centres. The total disregard for the rural community in the proposed changes is absurd though. But then the proposed changes were pushed through by one of those dual citizen MP's I was talking about previously. The bitch should never of been an MP in the first place! And a bloody unelected LIST MP at that is the one behind all this total bullshit!!!

They are only loosing votes not gaining them with this type of policy. Only misinformed muppets think any of this is a good idea in the long run.

sidecar bob

9th July 2019, 20:02

I'll just keep my old E55 AMG with no cats and my old Navara also with no cats and a big turbo on it thanks. I dont give a flying toss how much they charge me to run them.

By the end of next year these retards will be gone never to be seen again.

Vote New Conservative!

It's not about the cost of fuel, it's about taxing the sale of them, while giving tax deductions off electric vehicle sales, announced on the news tonight.

austingtir

9th July 2019, 20:10

It's not about the cost of fuel, it's about taxing the sale of them, while giving tax deductions off electric vehicle sales, announced on the news tonight.

I was talking about rego costs I heard they proposed basically taxing anything not electric or deemed acceptable into oblivion or thats in the intent via road users or rego and sales of new vehicles aswell.

Again what you said is just another reason to keep my old vehicles if they are going to tax the vehicles im likely to buy (probably not a brand new AMG admittedly) but thats what I would buy it still adds to the cost even on a second hand vehicle that filters through the system down the years.

sidecar bob

9th July 2019, 20:30

So now Labours downtrodden low income voters are going to have to put an electric car on tick to prevent from being otherwise assfucked by their chosen ones.
I say "otherwise assfucked" because putting a car or bike on tick is an assfucking in its self.

austingtir

9th July 2019, 21:08

If Smarmy Bridges wasn't the totally inept retard that he is he could be totally slaying this government over some of their ridiculous policies....

Maybe he's using the old never correct your enemy when they are making a mistake adage.... But given his previous efforts im not convinced. Fact is and its sad to say Bridges could quite possibly be the worst equal prime minister in NZ's history by the end of 2020... I'll give him the benefit of the doubt of a tie with Cindy. They are both globalist stooges anyway.

https://damnthematrix.wordpress.com/2019/07/08/the-greening-of-the-west-leaves-other-countries-a-devastated-toxic-mess/?fbclid=IwAR2wMFT6Zj9xwct6xW02C_aygxweAW9i1qBgo6IM TJORM42BehIQEhAMZfo

Ocean1

9th July 2019, 21:12

NZ is actually a good country to run electric vehicles in because we have alot of hydro power

The time most electric cars are charging is when people get home from work. That's peak power time, more demand than hydro can supply already, any extra supply is going to be oil or gas generated.

So they're arguably producing more greenhouse gasses than an IC vehicle.

austingtir

9th July 2019, 21:37

The time most electric cars are charging is when people get home from work. That's peak power time, more demand than hydro can supply already, any extra supply is going to be oil or gas generated.

So they're arguably producing more greenhouse gasses than an IC vehicle.

Yep and its still the batteries their creation and their disposal which is the real elephant in the room imo.

All these politicians are kidding themselves if they think these "green" technologies are what they are cracked upto be when even the most basic research shows that its not.

Other than nuclear power NZ is basically the best case scenario for electric vehicles and it still doesnt stack up.

sidecar bob

10th July 2019, 08:31

Now that all the good & honest people have paid for it, we will wipe the debt for those that aren't.
https://www.sunlive.co.nz/news/214456-government-wipes-debts-unpaid-ncea-fees.html
What kind of lesson is that to young people?
Don't pay & it will go away. What about the people that paid? Can they get a refund?
The correct course of action is that the papers for the people that didn't pay should have gone in the bin & they should have been made to do it over again if they wanted to, at twice the previous bargain price.
It took nearly a generation to get rid of the attitudes that nine years under Clarkes Labour did to the people that grew up under it.

pritch

10th July 2019, 09:59

Ocean1

10th July 2019, 10:25

pete376403

10th July 2019, 21:21

The time most electric cars are charging is when people get home from work. That's peak power time, more demand than hydro can supply already, any extra supply is going to be oil or gas generated.

So they're arguably producing more greenhouse gasses than an IC vehicle.

Or, you could plug in your ev but the charging doesn't occur until much later in the evening, midnight to 5 am when the demand is mostly lower and power is cheap(er). Thats how the battery backup that my solar system has operates.

Ocean1

10th July 2019, 23:04

Or, you could plug in your ev but the charging doesn't occur until much later in the evening, midnight to 5 am when the demand is mostly lower and power is cheap(er). Thats how the battery backup that my solar system has operates.

Oh absolutely, I'd be surprised if most chargers didn't have that facility, I'm just not sure if most people would use it.

And then, the more Ecars there are the more demand there is, and that overall % of hydro goes down and the coal/gas generation goes up.

I'll probably buy one eventually, when I can be convinced the batteries last, can be replaced for less than the cost of a new car and don't require disposal to a nuclear storage facility. Y'know: all of the things most environmental lobbyists completely ignore.

Swoop

12th July 2019, 22:23

Or, you could plug in your ev but the charging doesn't occur until much later in the evening, midnight to 5 am when the demand is mostly lower and power is cheap(er).

In Europe, when the driver gets home and plugs their car into the wall, the Nissan e-vehicles get the power drained from the vehicle battery to support the national grid during the evening. Once it is past midnight the recharging of the car actually begins.

Ocean1

12th July 2019, 22:57

In Europe, when the driver gets home and plugs their car into the wall, the Nissan e-vehicles get the power drained from the vehicle battery to support the national grid during the evening. Once it is past midnight the recharging of the car actually begins.

That's a fucking good trick.
Better not have to go out again after dinner though....

austingtir

13th July 2019, 08:58

That's a fucking good trick.
Better not have to go out again after dinner though....

Psst. Dont tell Genter or any of those clowns they'll think its a great idea.

It sorta becomes whats the point? Even if you bother to put solar panels on your house the government will legalize the stealing of your own generated electricity for corporations to sell back to you.

pete376403

13th July 2019, 10:13

Psst. Dont tell Genter or any of those clowns they'll think its a great idea.

It sorta becomes whats the point? Even if you bother to put solar panels on your house the government will legalize the stealing of your own generated electricity for corporations to sell back to you.

Max Bradford did that years ago when the entire generation and distribution network paid for by taxpayers was sold to private interests. Still waiting to see the promised savings.

sidecar bob

13th July 2019, 10:46

Max Bradford did that years ago when the entire generation and distribution network paid for by taxpayers was sold to private interests. Still waiting to see the promised savings.

Free'd up some cash to pay out for land claims tho.:msn-wink:

husaberg

13th July 2019, 10:50

Free'd up some cash to pay out for land claims tho.:msn-wink:

So it was okay for the "thieving pricks" to lie about selling the assets, what the outcome was and what the money was for........... interesting considering your previous statements about lying pricks...........
oh well............

sidecar bob

13th July 2019, 10:55

So it was okay for the "thieving pricks" to lie about selling the assets and what the outcome was and what the money was for........... interesting considering your previous statements about lying pricks...........
oh well............

How about this Kiwibuild thing eh?:2thumbsup

husaberg

13th July 2019, 10:58

How about this Kiwibuild thing eh?:2thumbsup
Nice distraction attempt........
Yeah not building enough of something that the last crowd sold off whilst funneling the money away for thier cronies must really irritate the average voter.........:confused:
Esp compared lying about selling an national asset, what the outcome was, and here the money was to go......:msn-wink:
Which is what you said in your own words.
what i see is three old national voters going around and around in circles not even realising they are out of touch with reality, shit, yokel's posts are even looking less biased.

Swoop

13th July 2019, 15:16

Psst. Dont tell Genter...
A dopey list MP full of bullshit.

Yeah not building enough of something...
That Liarbour PROMISED to do.
Then failed to deliver on their OWN promises.

Swoop

13th July 2019, 16:01

one thing that nation never anyway ... Say 500 outright lies that you dont have an issue with at all............
What nation? Australia? NZ? Cuba?

As for promises, I have yet to see any of the lies that Liarbour made, to delude the gullible voters, made into a comprehensive advancement of the nation.
Perhaps this coming week's TV3 focus on the homeless will provide answers... (Obviously this has been solved by The Tooth Monster and is now a "non-issue"...)

husaberg

13th July 2019, 16:05

What nation? Australia? NZ? Cuba?

As for promises, I have yet to see any of the lies that Liarbour made, to delude the gullible voters, made into a comprehensive advancement of the nation.
Perhaps this coming week's TV3 focus on the homeless will provide answers... (Obviously this has been solved by The Tooth Monster and is now a "non-issue"...)

Max points for hypocritical standards...........
one not delivered yet vs 500 outright baldfaced lies you ignore....... yeah right..........

jasonu

13th July 2019, 18:34

I see why that one thing that nation never anyway or even admitted was an issue and did in fact both create and make worse must be really hard to accept fo you especially compared to
i

Is English not your first language?

Murray

13th July 2019, 18:44

Esp compared lying about selling an national asset, what the outcome was, and here the money was to go......:msn-wink:

Since you are so good at digging up facts and history can you please list government sales of assets/companies etc and government that sold them.

husaberg

13th July 2019, 19:04

Since you are so good at digging up facts and history can you please list government sales of assets/companies etc and government that sold them.

Sure i am happy to, but only as soon as you address al the 500 and whatever proven lies told by the last governemnt made and point out hoe not building as many houses is a bigger deal than any of the 500 plus lies you want to sweep under the carpet.

jasonu

14th July 2019, 03:36

Nice distraction attempt........
Yeah not building enough of something that the last crowd sold off whilst funneling the money away for thier cronies must really irritate the average voter.........:confused:
Esp compared lying about selling an national asset, what the outcome was, and here the money was to go......:msn-wink:
Which is what you said in your own words.
what i see is three old national voters going around and around in circles not even realising they are out of touch with reality, shit, yokel's posts are even looking less biased.

What do you mean 'distraction'? They promised thousands of affordable houses and delivered fuck all. How can you defend that with a straight face???

husaberg

14th July 2019, 14:45

What do you mean 'distraction'? They promised thousands of affordable houses and delivered fuck all. How can you defend that with a straight face???

Because 5 people moaning about something not happening yetclearly being attempted, from a party they never voted for, about a plan they never considered necessary,, about a problem the previous government refused to admit the existence of for the last 9 years, is different that 500 plus outright lies. That these so caled angered 5 national voters who claim, "We just dont want to be lied to" hypocritical cretins, Unless you are a National voter of course.
It just goes to show how desperate to stir and grasp at anything the right wing voters have became.
I guess that happens when their party is lead by a buffoon that even 86% of their own voters don't even want a a PM.
FFS More national voters want to see a Labour PM than their own party leader.

sidecar bob

14th July 2019, 16:15

husaberg

14th July 2019, 16:30

Because 5 people moaning about something not happening yetclearly being attempted, from a party they never voted for, about a plan they never considered necessary,, about a problem the previous government refused to admit the existence of for the last 9 years, is different that 500 plus outright lies. That these so caled angered 5 national voters who claim, "We just dont want to be lied to" hypocritical cretins, Unless you are a National voter of course.
It just goes to show how desperate to stir and grasp at anything the right wing voters have became.
I guess that happens when their party is lead by a buffoon that even 86% of their own voters don't even want a a PM.
FFS More national voters want to see a Labour PM than their own party leader.

Id say there's a tad more than five people moaning about kiwi build.
I couldn't really care less if they build them or not, I've got plenty of houses already, but once again it's Labours downtrodden voter that's missing out yet again.

Odd that what you say is important is situation and party dependent........

I will find every news article that suggests they ether lying, breaking promises, or simply too stupid to organise some houses built & share them so nobody misses out.
I can't stand a bullshitter, weather it's an individual, or a government & I will be pointing it out regardless of their skivvy colour, in fact I will be more on to the other guys, because I expected no better from these ones.
.

They're not, but Labour, But Labour, they're links to current events, not dragging up the past to make myself look equally villinous.
Did you miss my earlier post where I said I'd ring the bell on any bullshitter regardless of skivvy colour?

Is it the talk of the bowls club old chap:bye:
its a pathetic attampt to troll up some support of a non issue.
Real stuff like 500 lies and unwanted touching from the last National leader just dont seem to be important to the national voters..........
You calim to hate being lied to and will point out it no mater what party but i gave you 500 odd factually checked lied by the last National party leader which you never said a peep about......
Maybe the nats might be better off trying to figure out why 86% of their voters wouldn't want their leader to be PM
Or why much more of the national voters would rather have a unmarried mother Labour MP as the PM.
http://daycationdc.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/National-Gallery-of-Art-East-Building-Rooster.jpg

Ocean1

14th July 2019, 16:37

husaberg

14th July 2019, 17:54

Well that's one take on it.

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:: laugh::laugh::laugh:

Don't go letting stats get in the way aye

The 1 NEWS Colmar Brunton poll asked, "Do you think the Government should continue with the KiwiBuild scheme?"
Sixty per cent said yes, the Government should keep going, while 34 per cent said no and five per cent didn't have an opinion.

Those who were more likely to oppose KiwiBuild continuing were National supporters, people living in Otago or Southland or those with annual household incomes of more than $150,000.

Worse still, Simon Bridges is the most unpopular leader of National this century with a preferred Prime Minister rating of 4 per cent, meaning approximately 89 per cent of National supporters do not want Bridges as Prime Minister. Meanwhile, National is now seeing its support levels plummet to depths unseen in 15 years.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/06/exclusive-poll-judith-collins-outstrips-simon-bridges-as-preferred-prime-minister/_jcr_content/par/image.dynimg.full.q75.jpg/v1560060242618/NEWSHUB-jacinda-ardern-preferred-prime-minister-poll-1-1120.jpghttps://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2019/06/exclusive-poll-judith-collins-outstrips-simon-bridges-as-preferred-prime-minister/_jcr_content/par/image_1540853065.dynimg.full.q75.jpg/v1560060397260/v2-NEWSHUB-jacinda-ardern-preferred-prime-minister-poll-1120.jpg
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The Newshub Reid Research Poll pitched Ardern slightly higher for preferred prime minister, at 49 per cent.
That poll also showed just 17.4 per cent of people thought Simon Bridges was performing well as National's leader, while 56 per cent thought he was performing poorly.
Ardern secured her highest approval rating yet, with 72.5 per cent of respondents saying she was performing well as PM. Just 15.6 per cent thought she was performing poorly.

for those that are not so great with maths like Ocean, that's nearly twice as many support it continuing than it stopping.

sidecar bob

14th July 2019, 18:00

Don't go letting stats get in the way aye

for those that are not so great with maths like Ocean, that's nearly twice as many support it continuing than it stopping.
To be fair & to create some balance, Labour aren't too great with maths either.
What about if they re hash the figures to what they might achieve, rather than some way off childish guess.
How many people support that?

husaberg

14th July 2019, 18:10

To be fair & to create some balance, Labour aren't too great with maths either.
What about if they re hash the figures to what they might achieve, rather than some way off childish guess.
How many people support that?

400 plus lies from nationals leader and not a peep from you about it..........
https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2016/06/04/435-lies-by-john-key/
https://thestandard.org.nz/john-keys-legacy-of-lies/
https://thestandard.org.nz/the-great-big-list-of-john-keys-big-fat-lies-updated/
Kind of makes what you say here not truthful at all.........

I will find every news article that suggests they ether lying, breaking promises, or simply too stupid to organise some houses built & share them so nobody misses out.
I can't stand a bullshitter, weather it's an individual, or a government & I will be pointing it out regardless of their skivvy colour, in fact I will be more on to the other guys, because I expected no better from these ones.
.

They're not, but Labour, But Labour, they're links to current events, not dragging up the past to make myself look equally villinous.
Did you miss my earlier post where I said I'd ring the bell on any bullshitter regardless of skivvy colour?

Ocean1

14th July 2019, 18:14

for those that are not so great with maths like Ocean, that's nearly twice as many support it continuing than it stopping.

Ocean doesn't apply "maths" to politicians, dude, only gullible fuckwits desperate to deflect attention from policy outcomes, (which actually are amenable to arithmetic) do that.

Like this kiwibuild shit for example.

Unfortunately not only are the kiwibuild numbers a fucking joke, but the quantity of fuckwits who bought into the bullshit apparently don't have enough fingers to understand the size of the resulting debacle.

sidecar bob

14th July 2019, 18:18

400 plus lies from nationals leader and not a peep from you about it..........
..

I believe it must represent some kind of world record for Internet forum post length.
I thought it was going to break the internet before I got halfway down & due to my incredibly short span of attention I didn't get past the second line.
Now don't criticise that or I'll pull you up for not reading the article I posted where Jan Tinnetti was "but Nashnil'ing" that you claimed you didn't read.

husaberg

14th July 2019, 18:22

husaberg

14th July 2019, 18:23

I believe it must represent some kind of world record for Internet forum post length.
I thought it was going to break the internet before I got halfway down & due to my incredibly short span of attention I didn't get past the second line.
Now don't criticise that or I'll pull you up for not reading the article I posted where Jan Tinnetti was "but Nashnil'ing" that you claimed you didn't read.
shh......I have made far bigger ones
So you make hypocritical statements and i am the one that needs to watch out or you will pull me up............:msn-wink:
So you either use the same standards with both parties or ocean off.

To be fair & to create some balance, Labour aren't too great with maths either.
What about if they re hash the figures to what they might achieve, rather than some way off childish guess.
How many people support that?

400 plus lies from nationals leader and not a peep from you about it..........
https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2016/06/04/435-lies-by-john-key/
https://thestandard.org.nz/john-keys-legacy-of-lies/
https://thestandard.org.nz/the-great-big-list-of-john-keys-big-fat-lies-updated/
Kind of makes what you say here not truthful at all.........

I will find every news article that suggests they ether lying, breaking promises, or simply too stupid to organise some houses built & share them so nobody misses out.
I can't stand a bullshitter, weather it's an individual, or a government & I will be pointing it out regardless of their skivvy colour, in fact I will be more on to the other guys, because I expected no better from these ones.
.

They're not, but Labour, But Labour, they're links to current events, not dragging up the past to make myself look equally villinous.
Did you miss my earlier post where I said I'd ring the bell on any bullshitter regardless of skivvy colour?

I can tell ypou are one the ropes as you reuse to counter the hypocritical statement you just keep jabbing on with no defense offered

sidecar bob

14th July 2019, 18:35

shh......I have made far bigger ones
So you make hypocritical statements and i am the one that needs to watch out or you will pull me up............:msn-wink:
So you either use the same standards with both parties or ocean off.

400 plus lies from nationals leader and not a peep from you about it..........
https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2016/06/04/435-lies-by-john-key/
https://thestandard.org.nz/john-keys-legacy-of-lies/
https://thestandard.org.nz/the-great-big-list-of-john-keys-big-fat-lies-updated/
Kind of makes what you say here not truthful at all.........

I can tell ypou are one the ropes as you reuse to counter the hypocritical statement you just keep jabbing on with no defense offered
I don't really buy into it, I only post for my own amusement.

husaberg

14th July 2019, 18:38

I don't really buy into it, I only post for my own amusement.

I am not buying what you are selling.
So unless you can produce some evidence that shows you treat the two parties the same and have held them to the same standards i can only draw the conclusion that both statements you made were total horsesht.

I will find every news article that suggests they ether lying, breaking promises, or simply too stupid to organise some houses built & share them so nobody misses out.
I can't stand a bullshitter, weather it's an individual, or a government & I will be pointing it out regardless of their skivvy colour, in fact I will be more on to the other guys, because I expected no better from these ones.
.

They're not, but Labour, But Labour, they're links to current events, not dragging up the past to make myself look equally villinous.
Did you miss my earlier post where I said I'd ring the bell on any bullshitter regardless of skivvy colour?

I gave you over 400 plus lies as told by the previous prime minister which you refuse to counter or even consider as being relevent.

Murray

14th July 2019, 18:48

Sure i am happy to, but only as soon as you address al the 500 and whatever proven lies told by the last governemnt made and point out hoe not building as many houses is a bigger deal than any of the 500 plus lies you want to sweep under the carpet.

Cop out!!!!

husaberg

14th July 2019, 18:57

Cop out!!!!

Ii will take that ias you dont want to discuss the 400 plus lies the previous national leader was caught out in as it clearly offends you more that not enough houses were built in the time frame rather than 400 outright lies did...........:msn-wink:

Swoop

15th July 2019, 19:03

What do you mean 'distraction'? They promised thousands of affordable houses and delivered fuck all. How can you defend that with a straight face???
Thousands of houses would only be affordable if they built them in the middle of nowhere - but they'd still fail since there isn't enough tradesmen to undertake the task... a fundemental underlying fact that liarbour fails to comprehend.

To be fair & to create some balance, Labour aren't too great with maths either.
That's why they are "re-imagining" the kiwibuild fiasco with a new target. Commonly referred to as "moving the goalposts" to hide the abject failures of their policies.

austingtir

15th July 2019, 20:10

Its going to be hilarious watching husatwerps reaction once he realizes these poll's he's posting are complete horseshit after election night.

jasonu

16th July 2019, 02:31

Its going to be hilarious watching husatwerps reaction once he realizes these poll's he's posting are complete horseshit after election night.

Not as funny as when it became apparent Hillary was in trouble on election night. You should have seen all the fuckface liberal media hosts and pollsters scrambling. Classic!!!

austingtir

16th July 2019, 11:40

Not as funny as when it became apparent Hillary was in trouble on election night. You should have seen all the fuckface liberal media hosts and pollsters scrambling. Classic!!!

Yeah I saw it alright whats even funnier is we are going to get a repeat in 2020. These people still have not learnt their lesson. The young turks meltdown was the best of all though.

Ocean1

22nd July 2019, 10:58

There's been a distinct shortage of quality satire for a decade or more, good to see it back: http://www.thecivilian.co.nz/kiwibuild-house-prices-soar-finding-new-value-as-a-collectors-item/

"Government has retooled the KiwiBuild plan, rebranding the homes as a more boutique item, and scaling down production from 100,000 to what it now calls “somewhat less than that,” or “two hundred.” Under new Housing Minister Megan Woods, the flagging program looks likely to shift from providing 100,000 affordable homes to making the 40 people who currently have one unspeakably rich."

jasonu

22nd July 2019, 11:48

sidecar bob

22nd August 2019, 17:29

austingtir

22nd August 2019, 17:45

Over 50% of the price of fuel is tax, and it's going to increase shortly, but apparently were being fleeced by the fuel companies.
"Fuel companies are getting higher than reasonable returns"
I think you will find the government is too.
https://www.sunlive.co.nz/news/218628-govt-nzers-being-fleeced-at-pump.html

Its all deflect deflect deflect with Jacinda. She's nothing but a flake. As above she's deflecting her taxes onto the fuel companies (who I dont doubt are ripping us off but so is the government 10 fold!!!)

Tarrant sent his letter to some Russian "nazi".... Whatever. Jacinda comes along and goes we need more laws to remedy this.
When we already have the laws in place corrections officials just need to enforce them.

I find that entire thing bizarre. Why not just get rid of the head of corrections who made the gaff in the first place and set an example of whats acceptable!?

Voltaire

22nd August 2019, 19:18

Oil prices are set to fall after shock discovery in Greenland.

https://pics.me.me/live-breaking-news-greenland-strikes-oil-14-16-trump-greenland-in-61717189.png

Swoop

22nd August 2019, 20:03

It's interesting to note:

The leader of the labour party refuses to have anything to do with the Ihumatao group.
Hikoi to her electorate office = "I'm not home" (propably still gallivanting around remote Pacific Islands with Hubby catching fish for his show?)

Police minister banned from an Air NZ flight due to showing up late and swearing at the staff.

Winnie is having a brain implant and refusing a nice bunch of flowers to cheer him up...

Hopefully the liarbour supporters are happy with their performance. Certainly an Oscar winning show so far...

Laava

23rd August 2019, 17:55

Oil prices are set to fall after shock discovery in Greenland.

https://pics.me.me/live-breaking-news-greenland-strikes-oil-14-16-trump-greenland-in-61717189.png
All very predictable really...

jasonu

4th September 2019, 14:08

But but but national.....
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12264757

TheDemonLord

4th September 2019, 14:29

Maybe someone should send the current Government a few copies of this:

https://www.amazon.com/Hasbro-Monopoly-Socialism-Board-Parody/dp/B07VPRNZJB

sidecar bob

4th September 2019, 19:17

husaberg

4th September 2019, 19:37

Be a few hopeful homeowners dissapointed with their choice of vote right about now.
So pretty much it was vote buying bullshit in a nutshell.
https://www.sunlive.co.nz/news/219856-kiwibuild-100k-target-canned.html

Vote buying bullshit......... wouldnt that be promising a tax cut just before an election then borrowing the money to pay for it or just raising GST to pay for it. Or better still both.
this was the source of last elections most accurate polls pre election.
342914342917342916342915
if you add judith colins and Simone Buridgeees results together and times it by 4 its still lower than labours leader FFS

jasonu

5th September 2019, 02:38

Vote buying bullshit......... wouldnt that be promising a tax cut just before an election then borrowing the money to pay for it or just raising GST to pay for it. Or better still both.
this was the source of last elections most accurate polls pre election.
342914342917342916342915
if you add judith colins and Simone Buridgeees results together and times it by 4 its still lower than labours leader FFS

So you're saying one shit party has slightly better ratings than another shit party.

husaberg

5th September 2019, 08:06

So you're saying one shit party has slightly better ratings than another shit party.

that "slightly better rating" is about 20 times higher than your shitty president won by. Then again your shitty president lost the popular vote didnt he........

Ocean1

5th September 2019, 08:23

http://www.thecivilian.co.nz/government-says-it-will-now-build-just-one-really-nice-home/

“What we didn’t fully anticipate, was that when we said 100,000 houses, people expected at least one tenth that many, so we’ve heard you, we’ve listened, and we’re no longer saying we’ll do anything like that at all.”

pritch

5th September 2019, 08:45

“What we didn’t fully anticipate, was that when we said 100,000 houses, people expected at least one tenth that many, so we’ve heard you, we’ve listened, and we’re no longer saying we’ll do anything like that at all.”

Watching the replay of them announcing their plans was head shake material. They can't have done even the most obvious arithmetic. Still they are not alone. Labour in Australia made a similar promise but Jeremy Corbin takes the cake, he promised every homeless person in Biritain a house. And there are a lot of homeless people in Britain. In London businesses have put spikes on the ground in their doorway to stop people sleeping there.

Katman

5th September 2019, 08:50

....but Jeremy Corbin takes the cake, he promised every homeless person in Biritain a house.

Is it really that inconceivable?

https://www.upworthy.com/jeremy-corbyn-s-promise-to-solve-homelessness-in-england-isn-t-as-ridiculous-as-it-sounds

pritch

5th September 2019, 09:03

Is it really that inconceivable?

https://www.upworthy.com/jeremy-corbyn-s-promise-to-solve-homelessness-in-england-isn-t-as-ridiculous-as-it-sounds

The homelessness I saw in London in '94 was mindboggling and it has got worse since then, not least due to nine years of Tory "austerity", so yes. A large part of the problem was people heading south looking for work so the homess population was constantly turning over. I think the current buzz word is 'churn'.

In the West End, among the theatres with the big shows, the cafes that cater to the post show crowd were selling potato and gravy for a quid to the homeless during the day.

Anyhoo Jeremy would seem to have a snowballs chance in Hell of being PM. Mind you, some people would have said that about Johnson...

Katman

5th September 2019, 09:05

The homelessness I saw in London in '94 was mindboggling....

So was the number of empty houses.

I squatted a fair few of them.

TheDemonLord

5th September 2019, 09:34

They can't have done even the most obvious arithmetic.

Hmmmmm, what else has the Labour Government done where they haven't done even the most obvious Arithmetic....

It's almost like there's a Pattern forming....

jasonu

5th September 2019, 14:05

that "slightly better rating" is about 20 times higher than your shitty president won by. Then again your shitty president lost the popular vote didnt he........

So no more 'But national's"
Getting hard to defend these labour muppets aye bro.

husaberg

5th September 2019, 17:16

So no more 'But national's"
Getting hard to defend these labour muppets aye bro.

Ypou would gain a bit more traction with your arguments if you were not the Muppet endlessly posting but but but labour
when you don't clearly have a clue about what actual kiwis find important.
Like i said the two opposition leaders popularity as preferred PM x 4 still don't add up to the curent front-runner for PM
PS you still having answer why a majority that is 20 times higher than your presidents one, is not a significant margin...........
Ps has your prez never heard of a Cat 5 hurricane is or why it isn't a good idea to use nuclear weapons to stop a hurricane.
or how it was going to hit Alabama. which was such utter crap that that the NWS issued an immediate clarification that it was biullshit.

https://youtu.be/DVB6fqr4SFI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=139&v=BYnasJjjx4g

342931342932

jasonu

6th September 2019, 05:15

Ypou would gain a bit more traction with your arguments if you were not the Muppet endlessly posting but but but labour
when you don't clearly have a clue about what actual kiwis find important.
Like i said the two opposition leaders popularity as preferred PM x 4 still don't add up to the curent front-runner for PM
PS you still having answer why a majority that is 20 times higher than your presidents one, is not a significant margin...........
Ps has your prez never heard of a Cat 5 hurricane is or why it isn't a good idea to use nuclear weapons to stop a hurricane.
or how it was going to hit Alabama. which was such utter crap that that the NWS issued an immediate clarification that it was biullshit.

https://youtu.be/DVB6fqr4SFI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=139&v=BYnasJjjx4g

342931342932

No but Labours from me. Simply pointing out the totally foreseeable and predicted endless list of bungles they have performed. Only an idiot could with a straight face defend these morons.

husaberg

6th September 2019, 07:10

No but Labours from me. Simply pointing out the totally foreseeable and predicted endless list of bungles they have performed. Only an idiot could with a straight face defend these morons.

Really, endless list go on post it then.
Funny enough though who is it always defending Trump on KB with his real list pof epic fails, i will give you a hint, if you look in the mirror, he looks a lot like you.
but dont let hypocrisy stop you from carrying on.
Post that list ,we we see which one is areal long list.
it should be fun for you to point out why your Prez who you claim as being popular, has 54% disapproval rating and a 41% approval.

jasonu

6th September 2019, 07:21

Really, endless list go on post it then.
Funny enough though who is it always defending Trump on KB with his real list pof epic fails, i will give you a hint, if you look in the mirror, he looks a lot like you.
but dont let hypocrisy stop you from carrying on.
Post that list ,we we see which one is areal long list.
it should be fun for you to point out why your Prez who you claim as being popular, has 54% disapproval rating and a 41% approval.

Show me where I defended trump.

husaberg

6th September 2019, 07:57

Show me where I defended trump.

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/178017-The-American-(USA)-2016-presidential-elections-thread?p=1131139135&highlight=trump#post1131139135

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/178017-The-American-(USA)-2016-presidential-elections-thread?p=1131135882&highlight=trump#post1131135882

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/178017-The-American-(USA)-2016-presidential-elections-thread?p=1131134123&highlight=trump#post1131134123

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/185625-Tommy-Robinson?p=1131137535&highlight=trump#post1131137535

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/186693-whats-your-thoughts-on-the-CGT?p=1131130181&highlight=trump#post1131130181

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/178017-The-American-(USA)-2016-presidential-elections-thread?p=1131139079&highlight=trump#post1131139079

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/178017-The-American-(USA)-2016-presidential-elections-thread?p=1131138241&highlight=trump#post1131138241

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/178017-The-American-(USA)-2016-presidential-elections-thread?p=1131138204&highlight=trump#post1131138204

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/178017-The-American-(USA)-2016-presidential-elections-thread?p=1131137724&highlight=trump#post1131137724

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/169975-New-Zealand-What-a-back-water-shit-hole/page17?p=1131095165#post1131095165

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12125093

and people talk about Trump being Mickey Mouse.
What a joke.
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/183438-The-2017-Election-Thread?p=1131110425&highlight=trump#post1131110425

So hows that endless list of NZ goverment f -ups going

No but Labours from me. Simply pointing out the totally foreseeable and predicted endless list of bungles they have performed. Only an idiot could with a straight face defend these morons.

here is a few of Trumps to warm you up

July 30, 2016 – Donald Trump belittled Khizr and Ghazala Khan, the parents of a Muslim American soldier who had been killed while serving in the Army,
April, 2016 – Jill Harth accused Donald Trump of sexual assault. In a 1997 lawsuit, Harth stated in court documents that Trump harassed and groped her in 1993. She later dropped the suit but stood by her story.
– May 31, 2016 – Donald Trump attacked Gonzalo Curiel, the federal judge who presided over the Trump University fraud case, saying that Curiel’s assignment to the case represented "an absolute conflict because the judge was “of Mexican heritage.”
– May 2016 – Temple Taggart, former Miss Utah in the 1997 Miss USA pageant, claimed Donald Trump sexually harassed her. – June, 2016 – Cassandra Searles, Miss Washington 2013, accused Donald Trump of sexual misconduct at the Miss USA pageant.
– October 7, 2016 – In the 2005 Access Hollywood tape, Donald Trump bragged to Billy Bush about grabbing women by their genitals without consent. In the video published by the Washington Post, Trump said, “I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it, you can do anything… grab them by the pussy.”
– October 7, 2016 – Donald Trump reiterated his false claim that the young men known as the “Central Park Five” were guilty of sexually assaulting a jogger in 1989, despite DNA evidence that exonerated them.
– October 11, 2016 – Tasha Dixon, a former Miss Universe contestant, accused Donald Trump of sexual misconduct.
– October 12, 2016 – Mariah Billado, a former Miss Teen USA contestant, claimed that Donald Trump behaved inappropriately during the pageant.
– October 12, 2016 – Rachel Crooks claimed Donald Trump sexually harassed her. Crooks said that when she met Trump for the first time in 2005 while working as a receptionist for a company in Trump Tower.
– October 12, 2016 – Jessica Leeds alleged Donald Trump made inappropriate sexual advances towards her.
– October 12, 2016 – Mindy McGillivray accused Donald Trump of groping her. McGillivray alleged that Trump touched her without her consent while she was attending a concert at Mar-a-Lago in 2003.
– October 12, 2016 – Natasha Stoynoff, a journalist, accused Donald Trump of sexual harassment.
– October 13, 2016 – Lisa Boyne accused Donald Trump of sexual misbehavior.
– October 14, 2016 – Kristin Anderson claimed Donald Trump groped her in the early 1990s.
– October 14, 2016 – Samantha Holvey described Donald Trump’s sexual misconduct at the 2006 Miss USA pageant.
– October 14, 2016 – Summer Zervos, a former contestant on The Apprentice, accused Donald Trump of sexual assault.
– October 15, 2016 – Cathy Heller accused Donald Trump of sexual misconduct. Heller said she was having Mother’s Day brunch in 1997 at Mar-a-Lago when Trump grabbed her, tried kissing her, and became angry when she twisted away.
– October 21, 2016 – Karen Virginia accused Donald Trump of groping her.
– October 22, 2016 – Jessica Drake, an adult film actor and director, accused Donald Trump of inappropriate sexual contact.
– October 27, 2016 – Ninni Laaksonen, a former Miss Finland, alleged that Donald Trump had sexually harassed her
– November 13, 2016 – Ivanka Trump accompanied her father on his presidential interview with 60 Minutes. Ivanka’s upscale jewelry brand used her father’s political appearance to promote a $10,800 bracelet she had worn during the broadcast.
– November 18, 2016 – Even though he said he would not settle the case, Donald Trump agreed to pay $25 million to settle his Trump University fraud lawsuits. The real estate seminar program was not an accredited university and used misleading marketing tactics to recruit students.
– November 27, 2016 – Without citing evidence to support his claim, Donald Trump tweeted, “In addition to winning the Electoral College in a landslide, I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally”. This claim has been repeatedly debunked.
– End of December 2016 – In December of 2016, Donald Trump’s senior adviser Jared Kushner, incoming national security adviser Michael Flynn, and Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak met at Trump Tower to establish a “line of connection.” The meeting occurred around the time that the Obama administration was placing sanctions on the Russian government for interfering in the 2016 election

jasonu

6th September 2019, 10:18

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/178017-The-American-(USA)-2016-presidential-elections-thread?p=1131139135&highlight=trump#post1131139135

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/178017-The-American-(USA)-2016-presidential-elections-thread?p=1131135882&highlight=trump#post1131135882

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/178017-The-American-(USA)-2016-presidential-elections-thread?p=1131134123&highlight=trump#post1131134123

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/185625-Tommy-Robinson?p=1131137535&highlight=trump#post1131137535

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/186693-whats-your-thoughts-on-the-CGT?p=1131130181&highlight=trump#post1131130181

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/178017-The-American-(USA)-2016-presidential-elections-thread?p=1131139079&highlight=trump#post1131139079

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/178017-The-American-(USA)-2016-presidential-elections-thread?p=1131138241&highlight=trump#post1131138241

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/178017-The-American-(USA)-2016-presidential-elections-thread?p=1131138204&highlight=trump#post1131138204

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/178017-The-American-(USA)-2016-presidential-elections-thread?p=1131137724&highlight=trump#post1131137724

So hows that endless list of NZ goverment f -ups going

here is a few of Trumps to warm you up

Not one of those is support for trump.

jasonu

6th September 2019, 13:48

Of course not whatever you say....Must be fake News aye, As claiming any thing that is posted against trump clearly isn't credible, is never support for Trump now is it..........
<img src="https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=331922&d=1500865799" width="540px"/>

So where is that endless list of NZ government cock ups then.

Kiwi build (the prize fuck up of all time), the young Labour party sexual abuse, bullying by senior Labour party members which a minister lost their job over, that silly bitch (communications?) minister that lied about secret meetings over which she lost her job, canning off shore drilling that cost how many jobs, wasting how much money and time on the Pike River mine, spending more time out of the country than in it, the gun buy back fiasco, hiring and paying some headmaster $500k AFTER he was shown to be pedo, all that off the top of my head. The Karel Sroubek saga couldn't have been handled any worse than that Lees Galloway ding bat did either. The list goes on.
Oh did I mention kiwi build, what a joke!!!
Yep Labour, fucking top notch.

husaberg

6th September 2019, 17:25

Kiwi build (the prize fuck up of all time), the young Labour party sexual abuse, bullying by senior Labour party members which a minister lost their job over, that silly bitch (communications?) minister that lied about secret meetings over which she lost her job, canning off shore drilling that cost how many jobs, wasting how much money and time on the Pike River mine, spending more time out of the country than in it, the gun buy back fiasco, hiring and paying some headmaster $500k AFTER he was shown to be pedo, all that off the top of my head. The Karel Sroubek saga couldn't have been handled any worse than that Lees Galloway ding bat did either. The list goes on.
Oh did I mention kiwi build, what a joke!!!
Yep Labour, fucking top notch.

Some of those are just patently untrue. Spending more time in the country than out of it So who was that......The whole Goverment.........

Hardly an endless list
How does that compare to your own leader there sport Trump does more cock ups in a week than that. Here is a Month.

– June 1, 2017 – At the onset of hurricane season, leadership positions remained vacant for the NOAA and FEMA. These agencies are responsible for monitoring weather patterns incoming for natural disasters and addressing natural disaster recovery, respectively.

– June 2, 2017 – White House lawyers met with the leaders of several federal agencies to order them not to comply with Democrats’ requests for oversight of agency activities. A White House spokesperson said the Trump administration’s policy regarding oversight is to “accommodate requests of the chairmen, regardless of political party.” At the time, there were no Democratic chairmen because Republicans controlled Congress.

– June 5, 2017 – The U.S. Ambassador to China resigned from his position, citing Donald Trump’s decision to leave the Paris Agreement.

– June 6, 2017 – EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt claimed 50,000 jobs had been added to the coal mining industry. The Bureau of Labor Statistics reported the number was closer to 1,400.

– June 6, 2017 – In more than 50 cases nationwide, children were heard bullying classmates with calls for deportation, references to Donald Trump’s name, and blatantly racist language. One eight-year-old girl in California said to a black classmate, “Now that Trump won, you’re going to have to go back to Africa, where you belong.”

– June 6, 2017 – White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer announced that Donald Trump’s tweets are official statements from the president.

– June 11, 2017 – Breaking with a longstanding custom, Donald Trump tried to cultivate a personal relationship with a federal prosecutor, Preet Bharara, after the 2016 election. Months after his firing, Bharara reported a sense of déjà vu listening to James Comey’s testimony regarding Trump’s bizarre interactions. Trump’s final call to Bharara, on March 9, 2017, was ostensibly to “shoot the breeze,” which Bharara found unethical and immediately reported to Attorney General Jeff Sessions. He was fired the following day.

– June 13, 2017 – Since the election, 70 percent of the properties purchased from the Trump Organization have reportedly sold to anonymous LLCs rather than identified people. Before the election, only 2% of Trump properties went to anonymous companies.

– June 13, 2017 – On Twitter, Donald Trump’s account blocked a veterans group that had been critical of him. The group, VoteVets, represents 500,000 U.S. military veterans.

– June 14, 2017 – Officials announced that Justice Department special counsel Robert Mueller would investigate Donald Trump for obstruction of justice. This was part of Mueller’s ongoing investigation into Russia’s role in the 2016 election.

– June 15, 2017 – Donald Trump selected the person who planned Eric Trump’s wedding to run federal housing for the city of New York. In her new position, Lynne Patton, who had also helped organize some of Trump’s celebrity golf events, would control a multibillion-dollar budget to manage housing for thousands of New Yorkers.

– June 16, 2017 – In another rollback of a signature policy from the Obama administration, Donald Trump partially reversed Barack Obama’s effort to open diplomatic ties with the Cuba. Obama’s policy allowed American businesses and travelers to interact with Cuba for the first time in decades. Trump’s changes would “enforce the ban on tourism, enforce the embargo,” in response to what he called “the last administration’s completely one-sided deal with Cuba.”

– June 16, 2017 – The White House sought to soften a bipartisan bill crafted to put new sanctions on Russia and limit Donald Trump’s power to alter sanctions in the future.

– June 16, 2017 – Responding to special counsel Robert Mueller’s ongoing investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 election, Donald Trump tweeted, “I am being investigated for firing the FBI Director by the man who told me to fire the FBI Director! Witch Hunt”. “The man” referenced here is Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, who appointed Mueller to lead the Russia investigation and also issued a memo recommending former FBI Director James Comey’s firing.

– June 19, 2017 – Department of Energy Secretary Rick Perry announced he did not believe carbon dioxide causes climate change. This view contradicts numerous studies conducted by agencies like NASA, the EPA, and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

– June 19, 2017 – During a security clearance renewal process, Michael Flynn failed to disclose a business trip to the Middle East during which he represented Russian and U.S. business interests as they planned to build a series of nuclear reactors. Representative Elijah Cummings of Maryland said of Flynn’s omission, “General Flynn’s actions are part of a broader pattern of concealing his foreign contact, payments, travel and work on behalf of foreign interests.”

– June 20, 2017 – The Trump administration planned to cut more than 1,200 jobs from the EPA, shrinking the workforce by 15 percent while slashing the EPA budget by 31 percent.

– June 20, 2017 – Donald Trump’s budget cuts to address homelessness and low-income housing did not cut funding for one New York City housing development—the subsidized Starrett City housing complex. It happened that Trump held a stake in Starrett City, and made about $5 million dollars off the property in three months during 2016. (June 20, 2017) Trump Business Dealings Policy

– June 21, 2017 – Department of Education Secretary Betsy DeVos tapped the CEO of a private student loan company to lead the Federal Student Aid program. This program handles $1.3 trillion in federal student loans for American citizens.

– June 22, 2017 – Two senior intelligence officials told Robert Mueller that Donald Trump had approached them separately and requested they use their position to publicly announce the Trump campaign had not colluded with Russian operatives.

– June 22, 2017 – At a rally with supporters, Donald Trump asserted that a law should exist which requires all immigrants to support themselves financially for five years before receiving welfare aid. This exact law has existed since 1996. Bill Clinton signed the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act restricting new immigrants to the U.S. from accessing federal benefits for a period of five years.

– June 25, 2017 – Donald Trump tweeted, “Hillary Clinton colluded with the Democratic Party in order to beat Crazy Bernie Sanders. Is she allowed to so collude? Unfair to Bernie!” At the time, Trump was under investigation for colluding with Russia to influence the 2016 election.

– June 26, 2017 – Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke flew on a charter plane from Las Vegas to his hometown in Montana, which cost taxpayers $12,375. Zinke and his staff used private and military aircraft multiple times.

– June 27, 2017 – Scott Pruitt and the EPA rolled back Obama-era protections that ensured drinking water was clean and safe for consumption.

– June 27, 2017 – The Trump Organization framed a March 1, 2009 cover of Time magazine and hung it on the walls of at least five Trump resorts. The cover features Trump with his arms crossed beside the headlines “Donald Trump: The Apprentice is a television smash!” and “TRUMP IS HITTING ON ALL FRONTS…EVEN ON TV!” Time magazine has confirmed the cover is fake.

– June 29, 2017 – Donald Trump attacked TV news host Mika Brzezinski on Twitter, saying he had once seen her when she was “badly bleeding from a face-lift.”

– June 30, 2017 – MSNBC news anchors Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski alleged the White House tried to blackmail them with an article about their relationship in the National Enquirer. The newly engaged co-anchors claimed they had texts and phone records from Trump advisers threatening to publish the Enquirer article if the pair did not contact Trump directly. The president apparently sought an apology for the couple’s unfavorable news coverage. Trump is a long-time friend and ally of David Pecker, the publisher of the National Enquirer, and had leveraged the relationship before. The Enquirer then published a hit piece on Scarborough and Brzezinski’s relationship.

– June 30, 2017 – For the position of senior adviser in the Office of Gender Equality and Women’s Empowerment, Donald Trump appointed an activist who led a campaign to restrict transgender access to bathrooms. Under the Obama Administration, the Office of Gender Equality supported LGBT empowerment both domestically and abroad. Bethany Kozma, the activist and new senior adviser, has said in the past, “With Trump, we now have a president who is focused on remedying the lawlessness of the previous administration.”

– June 30, 2017 – Referring to the House’s passage of a second repeal-and-replace bill, Donald Trump tweeted, “If Republican Senators are unable to pass what they are working on now, they should immediately REPEAL, and then REPLACE at a later date!” If Obamacare were repealed without an alternative to replace it, 32 million Americans would lose health care coverage.

– June 2017 – Two anonymous White House officials told the New York Times that Donald Trump said Haitians “all have AIDS” and Nigerian immigrants wouldn’t ever “go back to their huts.” Newly released immigration statistics, which reported 15,000 Haitian immigrants had entered the U.S. since he took office, reportedly ignited President Trump’s tirade. While the White House subsequently denied Trump had used the words “AIDS” and “huts,” it did not deny the “overall description of the meeting.”

– June 2017 – The Trump International Hotel in Washington D.C. received $270,000 in payments from the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia for rooms, catering, and parking as part of a lobbying effort. This violates the Emoluments Clause of the Constitution, which forbids government officials from accepting “any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.” Donald Trump has retained an ownership interest in his businesses and thus could receive payments from foreign states.

- – -
JULY 2017
– July 1, 2017 – Donald Trump tweeted, “Crazy Joe Scarborough and dumb as a rock Mika are not bad people, but their low rated show is dominated by their NBC bosses. Too bad!”

sidecar bob

6th September 2019, 17:33

husaberg

6th September 2019, 17:39

If you could keep your replies to a paragraph or two regardless of wether its a bunch of quotes or not you will appeal more to people with a goldfish span of attention.
You can assume i didnt read that because beer.

Well when i comes to listing Trump administration cock ups its not going to be a short list now is it.
That was just June 2017.

PS what's the neutered sheep have to do with it?

jasonu

7th September 2019, 02:08

Some of those are just patently untrue. Spending more time in the country than out of it So who was that......The whole Goverment.........

Hardly an endless list
How does that compare to your own leader there sport Trump does more cock ups in a week than that. Here is a Month.

So you admit you cannot defend the labour party.

husaberg

7th September 2019, 12:26

So you admit you cannot defend the labour party.

What are you talking about, there is piss all to defend.
What i find interesting is your total lack of ability to judge what is important to Kiwis.
You keep banging on with total nonsense with for fail to realize the opposition party leadership in NZ has basically imploded, with their leader being about as popular as a turd in a goldfish bowl.
With no other alternatives in the party.

While in your country is being lead by a total buffoon whose broadcasted daily gaffs and twitter meltdowns the world finds utterly hilarious. Which is making your country the laughing stock of the entire world.

jasonu

7th September 2019, 14:45

What are you talking about, there is piss all to defend.
What i find interesting is your total lack of ability to judge what is important to Kiwis.
You keep banging on with total nonsense with for fail to realize the opposition party leadership in NZ has basically imploded, with their leader being about as popular as a turd in a goldfish bowl.
With no other alternatives in the party.

While in your country is being lead by a total buffoon whose broadcasted daily gaffs and twitter meltdowns the world finds utterly hilarious. Which is making your country the laughing stock of the entire world.

You forget labour didn't actually win the election, Winston gave them the win. I see National winning the next one.

husaberg

7th September 2019, 15:00

You forget labour didn't actually win the election, Winston gave them the win. I see National winning the next one.

By the same token either did Trump win the US election, but dont let that fact get in the way of your story.
In regards to the next NZ election Just keep telling yourself you know what you are talking about, when its plain you cant even remember what pictures you posted. Let alone what is hpening in NZ

jasonu

7th September 2019, 16:08

By the same token either did Trump win the US election, but dont let that fact get in the way of your story.
In regards to the next NZ election Just keep telling yourself you know what you are talking about, when its plain you cant even remember what pictures you posted. Let alone what is hpening in NZ

So your new angle is to say labour are slightly less shit than an overseas administration rather than to actually defend them. Nice one.

husaberg

7th September 2019, 16:53

So your new angle is to say labour are slightly less shit than an overseas administration rather than to actually defend them. Nice one.

No your angle is to refuse to discuss your own leader massive pile of cok up that has mede your country a laughing stock, labours alleged gaffs are not even equivalent to a weeks wort of you own country. If you placed your own shithole country, under the same level of scrutiny, as you seem to place others. You might figure out why your own country inhabitants and leader is rated such a shithole by the rest of the world.;)
But no doubt you will never do this.......

jasonu

7th September 2019, 18:14

No your angle is to refuse todiscuss your own leader massive pile of cok up that has mede your country a laughing stock, abours alledged gaffs are not even equivilent to a weeks wort of you own country. If you placed your own shithole country, under the same level of scrutiny, as you seem to place others. You might figure out why your own country inhabitants and leader is rated such a shithole by the rest of the world.;)
But no doubt you will never do this.......

You obviously didn't pass School C English or spelling did ya...

Katman

7th September 2019, 18:32

No your angle is to refuse todiscuss your own leader massive pile of cok up that has mede your country a laughing stock, abours alledged gaffs are not even equivilent to a weeks wort of you own country. If you placed your own shithole country, under the same level of scrutiny, as you seem to place others. You might figure out why your own country inhabitants and leader is rated such a shithole by the rest of the world.;)
But no doubt you will never do this.......

Dude, seriously......there's only one laughing stock here.

husaberg

7th September 2019, 19:06

Dude, seriously......there's only one laughing stock here.

Oh no, a troll from katman, go back to your 911 and vaccine conspiracies.

husaberg

7th September 2019, 19:09

You obviously didn't pass School C English or spelling did ya...
Tell you what jason, when you show enough intelligence to answer 10% of what is put to you, Then, i will bother to add same comas and spell check.
Because in your last 5 responses, you have answered nothing put to you, about the third rate shithole, laughing stock of the world, where you yourself reside.
The fact you live in USA, yet troll post daily on a kiwi site, should be a bit of a hint.

jasonu

8th September 2019, 03:23

Tell you what jason, when you show enough intelligence to answer 10% of what is put to you, Then, i will bother to add same comas and spell check.
Because in your last 5 responses, you have answered nothing put to you, about the third rate shithole, laughing stock of the world, where you yourself reside.
The fact you live in USA, yet troll post daily on a kiwi site, should be a bit of a hint.

National and Trump will both win in 2020.

husaberg

8th September 2019, 08:42

National and Trump will both win in 2020.

Fascinating, now how about you addressing the points made to you in the last 6 or so posts then.

jasonu

8th September 2019, 12:24

Fascinating, now how about you addressing the points made to you in the last 6 or so posts then.

None of them have anything to do with this thread. Simply you trying to deflect the shambles labour are making of NZ government onto something irrelevant as you have totally run out of ways to defend them.

jasonu

8th September 2019, 12:25

Fascinating, .

I don't see you disputing it.

husaberg

8th September 2019, 15:22

None of them have anything to do with this thread. Simply you trying to deflect the shambles labour are making of NZ government onto something irrelevant as you have totally run out of ways to defend them.

I don't see you disputing it.

If you say so, after-all you have been consistently r̵i̵g̵h̵t̵ ̵ wrong about pretty much everything else thus far.

oldrider

8th September 2019, 16:55

Judge not least ye be judged - :msn-wink:

sidecar bob

8th September 2019, 18:08

To be fair the current bunch are running the country like its some half baked, intermediate school class project.

husaberg

8th September 2019, 18:39

To be fair the current bunch are running the country like its some half baked, intermediate school class project.
That makes the last crowd toddlers then.
Lets lok at some actual facts

NZ hasn't borrowed massively every year like the previous government did. so there is a pretty big tick
They havent sold off the countries assets either.
Nor does the latest trust in government survey back what you say. it reflects a 12% increase in trust that the government does the right things.

Its findings run counter to the decline of trust in democratic political institutions as seen within many countries.
Asked whether they trust the government to do what is right for New Zealand, 65 per cent now answered ‘yes’ compared with 48 per cent in 2016. A total of 59 per cent say they trust government to deal successfully with national problems, up from 47 per cent in 2016. Furthermore, 49 per cent think New Zealand citizens’ interests are equally and fairly considered by the government, up from 39 per cent.
https://www.transparency.org.nz/public-trust-survey-2018-greater-trust-government/

we can compare this to the USA

Only a third of Americans now trust their government “to do what is right”—a decline of 14 percentage points from last year,

So Kiwis trust their current government twice as much as yanks do.

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https://www.heritage.org/index/country/newzealand

sidecar bob

8th September 2019, 19:23

husaberg

8th September 2019, 20:05

So you're perfectly cool with them taking the policy they harvested the most votes from & going, fuck it, it's too hard & chucking it out the window?
I don't want a bunch of rhetoric, just want to know if you're fine with it so I can come to my own conclusions.

Democracy is about having policies that harvest the most votes. Its kind of the point of it.
That policy wasn't what got them in, but selling off all the houses and saying its to build more when they never did was what got the nats out, that along with hundreds of other broken promises
But you can always tell when someone is attempting to buy their way in they will promise tax cuts then pay for them with borrowing. Leaving the bill for future generations to pay for them.

sidecar bob

8th September 2019, 21:12

But you can always tell when someone is attempting to buy their way in they will promise tax cuts then pay for them with borrowing. Leaving the bill for future generations to pay for them.

Or they may take a misguided crack the property development business, make a ten year promise & just flag it away at around 5% of their commitment, completely letting down those that voted for them, in the hope of a better future for themselves & their families.
It's a pretty shit thing to do to your supporters, you can polish that turd until you're tired, but it won't change my take on it.

husaberg

8th September 2019, 21:33

Or they may take a misguided crack the property development business, make a ten year promise & just flag it away at around 5% of their commitment, completely letting down those that voted for them, in the hope of a better future for themselves & their families.
It's a pretty shit thing to do to your supporters, you can polish that turd until you're tired, but it won't change my take on it.

Maybe you should ask how many of the people that voted for labour did so because of anything to do with Kiwi-build.
I think you will find it was more to do with stopping another 4 years of assets sales and overseas borrowing.
But i don't know why you are so worried about what labour does .
you would be better served sorting out a decent leader for the National party, as they will not win an election under Simon Bridges.
Nor will they win one with Judy Collins. No mater how much lippy they dress her up with, kiwis still remember her last time at the trough.

oldrider

8th September 2019, 22:48

The Ponzi scheme that underpins our economy cannot go on forever:- :niceone: - https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/115508374/the-ponzi-scheme-that-underpins-our-economy-cannot-go-on-forever - :wait:

Will they simply shoot the messenger, or attend to the problem? - Watch this space. - :corn:

jasonu

9th September 2019, 02:57

I don't want a bunch of rhetoric, .

Never gonna happen

sidecar bob

9th September 2019, 08:07

Never gonna happen

Yeah, he didn't read my post before quoting:(

TheDemonLord

9th September 2019, 08:45

Democracy is about having policies that harvest the most votes. Its kind of the point of it.
That policy wasn't what got them in, but selling off all the houses and saying its to build more when they never did was what got the nats out, that along with hundreds of other broken promises
But you can always tell when someone is attempting to buy their way in they will promise tax cuts then pay for them with borrowing. Leaving the bill for future generations to pay for them.

It's funny....

In the Firearm thread - he's all 'DEMOCRACY! WILL OF THE PEOPLE! 80% AGREE!' - yet when referencing one of Labours Key campaign promises that they've utterly failed to deliver on, suddenly it's somehow Nationals Fault and the Will of the People isn't a factor.

Just pointing out the ever-so-principled stances that Husa is taking on these issues

/sarcasm.

husaberg

9th September 2019, 08:50

Yeah, he didn't read my post before quoting:(

Really which part of replies had you stumped.I can see why jason and other strugle as they are eggs.

Democracy is about having policies that harvest the most votes. Its kind of the point of it.
That policy wasn't what got them in, but selling off all the houses and saying its to build more when they never did was what got the nats out, that along with hundreds of other broken promises
But you can always tell when someone is attempting to buy their way in they will promise tax cuts then pay for them with borrowing. Leaving the bill for future generations to pay for them.

Maybe you should ask how many of the people that voted for labour did so because of anything to do with Kiwi-build.
I think you will find it was more to do with stopping another 4 years of assets sales and overseas borrowing.
But i don't know why you are so worried about what labour does .
you would be better served sorting out a decent leader for the National party, as they will not win an election under Simon Bridges.
Nor will they win one with Judy Collins. No mater how much lippy they dress her up with, kiwis still remember her last time at the trough.

husaberg

9th September 2019, 08:58

Never gonna happen

Last time you went on about Rhetoric you looked rather EGGlike

Had you ever heard of or used the word rhetoric before it became about the most common and trendy word to use by the liberal USA media (closely followed by the shit NZ media) after their Hillary lost the election?

Sounds like another stalling tactic.
Yes, i often have , without wishing to be sounding like a braggart, i have a fairly extensive vocabulary. Just exceedingly lazy grammar punctuation and spelling.
If you will look back in 2011 which if i are not mistaken precedes your last presidential election by a fairly substantial margin, i used the word fairly regularly.
Two pages worth in fact. looks like i used it 12 times at least just on KB alone before Trump even announced his candidacy.
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/140786-RS125-rolling-chassis-for-Moto-3-conversion?p=1130134450#post1130134450
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/142435-Don-Brash-quot-We-should-decriminalise-marijuana-quot?p=1130164131&highlight=rhetoric#post1130164131
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/142435-Don-Brash-quot-We-should-decriminalise-marijuana-quot?p=1130163561&highlight=rhetoric#post1130163561
But we digress, i still dont see any of the examples i asked for 2 days ago yet.
So enough with your obfuscating, post the examples then.

But clearly going on that someone else doesn't answer questions when you refuse to answer ones, put to you, spells out hypocrite.

it would almost be akin moaning to multiple mods about a pic claiming that it was obtained by some nefarious means off anther site when in truth you forgot you posted yourself on KB.:whistle:

sidecar bob

9th September 2019, 12:08

husaberg

9th September 2019, 12:17

I simply asked wether you were ok with kwibuild being dumped & specifically asked for no rehtoric.
Realistically i would have been happy with a one word answer.
I have multiple proof that youre quite a smart guy, so im flabbergasted that this one has got you stumped.:msn-wink:

That policy wasn't what got them in, but selling off all the houses and saying its to build more when they never did was what got the nats out, that along with hundreds of other broken promises
But you can always tell when someone is attempting to buy their way in they will promise tax cuts then pay for them with borrowing. Leaving the bill for future generations to pay for them.

Maybe you should ask how many of the people that voted for labour did so because of anything to do with Kiwi-build.
I think you will find it was more to do with stopping another 4 years of assets sales and overseas borrowing.
But i don't know why you are so worried about what labour does .
you would be better served sorting out a decent leader for the National party, as they will not win an election under Simon Bridges.
Nor will they win one with Judy Collins. No mater how much lippy they dress her up with, kiwis still remember her last time at the trough.
Here a hint, i clearly couldn't give a shit if the target are reached. bit that t was attempted rather then the oppssite of saaying they would do one thing then doing the reverse, Kiwibuild wasn't a cornerstone of the election, The only people that are now desperately grasping onto it are the one that are desperate to get any form of traction or create a diversion away for the train wreak figures that tell the tale of the National leadership.

Do you think National can win an election with no coalition partners other than one mp they gift ACT with Simon bridges as leader?
Do you think they can win an election with Collins as a leader?
Do you think they can win an election with Paula benefit as leader?
Prior to the election Nationals big big target of Labour policy was an alleged 11 billion dollar budget hole they claimed Labour had.
Where is that? if national said it was there ,where is it? Could it be they where they 100% wrong just as everyone else said they were.

While we are on the subject if as you claim NZ is being run by idiots why are the figures all positive why last year was the Current NZ government the 3rd most trusted in the world.

sidecar bob

9th September 2019, 12:28

Here a hint, i clearly couldn't give a shit if the target are reached. it wasn't a cornerstone of the election the only people that are now desperately grasping onto it are the one that are desperate toget any form of traction or diversion away for the train wreack figures of the National leadership. DO you think National can win an election with no coalition partners other than one mp they gift ACT with Simon bridges as leader
Do you think they can win an election with Collins as a leader
Do you think they can win an election with Paula benefit as leader
Prior to the election Nationals big big target of Labour policy was an alledged 11 billion dollar budget hole they claimed Labour had.
Where is that if national said it was there ,where is it? or where they 100% wrong just as everyone else said.

While we are on the subject if as you claim NZ is being run by idiots why are the figures all positve why last year wass the Current NZ government the 3rd most trusted in the world.
Yes yes, but if a mechanic talked a big game in order to build you a bike, he got it apart & realised it was too hard & sent it back to you in boxes would you think he was a muppet?
Theres tradesemen on fair go every week that havent come through on a promise just like these drongos.
And Jacinda's tilted head interested look isint fooling anyone, shes clearly shitting herself 90% of the time.

Katman

9th September 2019, 12:30

I have multiple proof that youre quite a smart guy.....

Well you're easily fooled then.

husaberg

9th September 2019, 12:34

Well you're easily fooled then.
tell everyone about that geet engine that runs on water or cofffee grounds or unicorn spoof that even though its a well know scam from a man with a history of mental illness how its really great.;)

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/174599-Alternative-fuels

See, that's what makes you a fucking moron.

What the fuck has him being sent to a nuthouse have to do with the theory of what we're discussing?

Or how NZ farmers kill of 5 month old calves at the works after Rodeos
Or how there are numerous effective alternatives to 1080 on inaccessible back blocks in NZ

jasonu

9th September 2019, 14:46

tell everyone about that geet engine that runs on water or cofffeee grounds or unicorn spoof that even though its a well know scam from a man with a history of mental illness how its really great.;)

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/174599-Alternative-fuels

Or how NZ farmers kill of 5 month old calves at the works after Rodeos
Or how there are numerous effective alternatives to 1080 on inaccessible back blocks in NZ

Talk about off topic!!!!! What does any of that have to do with the 2017 election?

husaberg

9th September 2019, 14:48

Yes yes, but if a mechanic talked a big game in order to build you a bike, he got it apart & realised it was too hard & sent it back to you in boxes would you think he was a muppet?
Theres tradesemen on fair go every week that havent come through on a promise just like these drongos.
And Jacinda's tilted head interested look isint fooling anyone, shes clearly shitting herself 90% of the time.

or cool metaphors, So what about the tradesman that said he was going to build a houses and instead he sold off all your other houses while your back was turned (at a loss) to his mates, who then rented them back to you for a profit.
There was even a referendum where the country voted not to sell off assets which the "builder" pretended wasn't applicable. Not a peep out of you about it though.
You thought that was okay fo the last 9 years previous. So why all of a sudden does it mater? you never wanted the houses built, you never seen the need, you were happy to pretend there wasn't a housing shortage tright up until election day.
Only then is it a national shortage.

We both know when the mechanic realise's hes out of his depth he doesn't send all the bits back. Only a bill. if he from taupo hes at the shollow end and you will get a note blaming big pharma or the jews

husaberg

9th September 2019, 14:53

Talk about off topic!!!!! What does any of that have to do with the 2017 election?
Really hes allowed to insinuate people are thick but no ones allowed to show with facts that he is of sub par intellect. Interesting set of rules you have their, sport.
You ought to complain to a mod about it, while you are at it, tell them i posted this pic as well. Then you should make up a story that it was stolen off your twitter account or something. when in truth you posted it yourself.:whistle:
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sidecar bob

9th September 2019, 15:56

or cool metaphors, So what about the tradesman that said he was going to build a houses and instead he sold off all your other houses while your back was turned (at a loss) to his mates, who then rented them back to you for a profit.
There was even a referendum where the country voted not to sell off assets which the "builder" pretended wasn't applicable. Not a peep out of you about it though.
You thought that was okay fo the last 9 years previous. So why all of a sudden does it mater? you never wanted the houses built, you never seen the need, you were happy to pretend there wasn't a housing shortage tright up until election day.
Only then is it a national shortage.

We both know when the mechanic realise's hes out of his depth he doesn't send all the bits back. Only a bill. if he from taupo hes at the shollow end and you will get a note blaming big pharma or the jews
But Nashnil:facepalm:

jasonu

9th September 2019, 16:15

Really hes allowed to insinuate people are thick but no ones allowed to show with facts that he is of sub par intellect. Interesting set of rles you have their sport.
You ought to complain to a mod about it, while you are at it, tell them i posted this pic as well. Then you should make up a story that it was stolen off your twitter account or something. when in truth you posted it yourself.:whistle:
342995

You wouldn't know a fact if it bit you on the arse.

husaberg

9th September 2019, 17:19

But Nashnil:facepalm:

What wrong with a few home truths about comparing apples with apples , its an election thread, there is only two parties with a preferred PM over 4%. (Simon is over 4% this week isn't he?)
Actually last i heard Simon was only 3% in the preferred PM stakes ahead of a guy that's not even a member of a political party. Let alone a leader of one.

sidecar bob

9th September 2019, 17:29

What wrong with a few home truths about comparing apples with apples , its an election thread, there is only two parties with a preferred PM over 4%. (Simon is over 4% this week isn't he?)
Actually last i heard Simon was only 3% in the preferred PM stakes ahead of a guy that's not even a member of a political party. Let alone a leader of one.

If you had been paying attention you would know that national have a very viable leader up their sleeves.
I've repeatedly said I doubt National could win Tiddly Winks with the current line up, but I doubt they would be cynical enough to pull out their tooth fairy after the campaign has started.
Why can't you give me your views on the dumping of a major election policy?
I can be honest about the blue team, you would have more credibility if you could accept that the dumping of Kiwibuild is the major fuck up that it is.

husaberg

9th September 2019, 18:14

If you had been paying attention you would know that national have a very viable leader up their sleeves.
I've repeatedly said I doubt National could win Tiddly Winks with the current line up, but I doubt they would be cynical enough to pull out their tooth fairy after the campaign has started.
Why can't you give me your views on the dumping of a major election policy?
I can be honest about the blue team, you would have more credibility if you could accept that the dumping of Kiwibuild is the major fuck up that it is.

You replied to two of my posts that have stuff in them you claim are not answered or news to me. Constantly pretending i haven't answered or claiming i dont understand stuff i clearly do isn't really doing the validity of your points any good.

Here a hint, i clearly couldn't give a shit if the target are reached. bit that t was attempted rather then the opposite of saying they would do one thing then doing the reverse, Kiwibuild wasn't a cornerstone of the election, The only people that are now desperately grasping onto it are the one that are desperate to get any form of traction or create a diversion away for the train wreak figures that tell the tale of the National leadership.

What wrong with a few home truths about comparing apples with apples , its an election thread, there is only two parties with a preferred PM over 4%. (Simon is over 4% this week isn't he?)
Actually last i heard Simon was only 3% in the preferred PM stakes ahead of a guy that's not even a member of a political party. Let alone a leader of one.

the fact National is going to have to outsource to find a leader for a third time in about 15 years shows no one on in the party ranks is up to the task.
That fact that its common knowledge they are courting a leader outside of their own party should be a hint that even with in the national party they know those in their own party are clearly not up to the job of winning an election or heaven forbid running a country.

sidecar bob

9th September 2019, 19:14

You replied to two of my posts that have stuff in them you claim are not answered or news to me. Constantly pretending i haven't answered.

You haven't answered, I've asked for a yes or now answer as to wether you think dumping kiwi build is a fuck up.
If you can quote me where you have done that I'll accept that you have answered.
What's so hard about that?
You've come up with some irrelevant "counter dirt" but while you can shout from the rooftops that you have answered me, you haven't.
I'm not a complex bloke, yes or no will be fine.

husaberg

9th September 2019, 19:48

You haven't answered, I've asked for a yes or now answer as to wether you think dumping kiwi build is a fuck up.
If you can quote me where you have done that I'll accept that you have answered.
What's so hard about that?
You've come up with some irrelevant "counter dirt" but while you can shout from the rooftops that you have answered me, you haven't.
I'm not a complex bloke, yes or no will be fine.

okay then, yes or no then, because if you are going to pretend i never answered when its clear i did. Pick your own answer and run with it.

either answer could be the new leader of the National party, both have already got a greater following than Simon Bridges. but i degress.

Lets refresh..........

So you're perfectly cool with them taking the policy they harvested the most votes from & going, fuck it, it's too hard & chucking it out the window?
I don't want a bunch of rhetoric, just want to know if you're fine with it so I can come to my own conclusions.

Maybe you should ask how many of the people that voted for labour did so because of anything to do with Kiwi-build..

Democracy is about having policies that harvest the most votes. Its kind of the point of it.
That policy wasn't what got them in, but selling off all the houses and saying its to build more when they never did was what got the nats out, that along with hundreds of other broken promises
But you can always tell when someone is attempting to buy their way in they will promise tax cuts then pay for them with borrowing. Leaving the bill for future generations to pay for them.

Here is a hint, i clearly couldn't give a shit if the targets are reached. bit that it was attempted rather then the opposite of saying they would do one thing then doing the reverse, Kiwibuild wasn't a cornerstone of the election, The only people that are now desperately grasping onto it are the one that are desperate to get any form of traction or create a diversion away for the train wreak figures that tell the tale of the National leadership. .

You say you want A yes or Now answer, that's a new one.
iN CASE YOU MISSED IT THE FIRST 5 TIMES IT WAS POSTED i answered already i don't give a shit, it wasn't a cornerstone election platform i dont know how many times i can say it, or how many other ways i can say it.
I don't give a shit it wasn't a cornerstone election platform.
Ps what does a castrated Sheep have to do with it. Are they in the running to be the new national party leader:innocent:

Swoop

9th September 2019, 22:47

I've asked for a yes or now answer as to wether you think dumping kiwi build is a fuck up.

The Liarbour morons haven't dumped kiwibuild (yet), just removed that nasty bit about performance standards that they promised the gullible public, they'd meet.
Now they just have to do "something", at some stage in the non-defined future... or maybe not. They don't really know and will just make up something - after they worm their way out of the multiple other disasters they have created.

husaberg

9th September 2019, 23:42

jasonu

10th September 2019, 02:19

The Liarbour morons haven't dumped kiwibuild (yet), just removed that nasty bit about performance standards that they promised the gullible public, they'd meet.
Now they just have to do "something", at some stage in the non-defined future... or maybe not. They don't really know and will just make up something - after they worm their way out of the multiple other disasters they have created.

Yep and now they can build no houses and say goal met (because there is now no goal) I know NZ has its share of thick cunts but you would have to be special thick to swallow this shit.

Doesn't matter for much longer. The last election saw a lot of people protest vote (against National) for the minor parties which had the unexpected effect of handing the win to Labour via Winston. That won't happen in 2020.

Laava

10th September 2019, 07:09

Simon Bridges is doing a great job campaigning for Labour!

oldrider

10th September 2019, 07:56

TheDemonLord

10th September 2019, 09:14

lets see

in the first 4 years of the Last Natzi goverment
they had Had increased debt as a percentage of GDP from 9.1 per cent in 2009 to 24.6 per cent in 2016.
In dollar terms They doubled the national debt each year in the first 4 years alone.
On top of that. The average kiwi had a 40% reduction in disposable income during the national governments term.

Your beloved Natzis presided over the death of a SOE and the dismemberment of all it mineral leases for a penitence of their true value.
They lost all this money despite the sale of 4.7 billion dollars of state assets.
Natzis also for the entire 9 years stopped contributing to NZ's super fund
Yet the best thing you turkeys can find to moan about is not enough houses being built by the new crowd.

Might have something to do with a Global Recession (which NZ faired very well in).
Might have something to do with Labour building up a 'surplus' that was all Smoke and Mirrors.
Might have something to do with Labour not investing in Infrastructure for 9 years prior.

But let's not admit to any degree of culpability, it's all clearly Nationals fault.

Also - Godwin.

sidecar bob

10th September 2019, 09:37

Banditbandit

10th September 2019, 11:42

Here we go - this is what large donations buys you - a mouthpiece ..

Simon Bridges praising Communist China ...

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/simon-bridges-sings-communist-party-s-praises-in-interview-in-china/ar-AAH19Pl?ocid=ob-fb-ennz-313&fbclid=IwAR1eZ7osD0tQZLUNx7lmnYegT5slvI_PqxTiJfeyc m8qQDPxuxmfXBK_wYI

There's something deeply strange about a Right party praising a Communist Country ..

I think Communist China has got its money's worth ..

husaberg

10th September 2019, 14:02

Picking on someone's typo, the last resort of the desperate.:niceone:
Over promising & under delivering is usually the forte of inexpierenced rookie tradies.
Observing this lot, would you put any one of them in charge of a business you owned?
It's a bit like the "if Harley made a plane would you fly in it"
I also had the tilted head, sympathetic interested look I would trot out in business, but at least I had the topic knowledge & the physical ability to fix the problem, Jacinda's isint fooling many with that one. And for chrissakes it's T, not D, its Opportunities not oppatuniddys etc, fucking peasant.

Come on Bob ewe dont need be sheepish, it was a multiple mistake you made multiple times.
Plus there was those repeated claims i never answered your question, when clearly did.
As for run my business, no but i wouldn't, but i wouldnt trust neither any of the other crowds either.
With politicians You just make the best of a bad situation.
You stay right i stay left and hopefully the country trods a path somewhere near the middle.
I am glad you are talking about the Labour leader though it must tbe a pleasant distraction from the continued the national leadership woes.

If you going to mention peoples diction grab a load of what comes out of Semen Bur-Ridges mouth.
The Politician who is by his own admission afraid of door handles.

oldrider

10th September 2019, 16:14

Ocean1

10th September 2019, 19:06

it's all clearly Nationals fault.

....but he doesn't give a shit.

Ocean1

10th September 2019, 19:10

Observing this lot, would you put any one of them in charge of a business you owned?

He doesn't give a shit.

He's wildly and rabidly defensive for someone that doesn't give a shit, but then the shit he's not giving might not be a very big one.

husaberg

10th September 2019, 19:50

....but he doesn't give a shit.

He doesn't give a shit.

He's wildly and rabidly defensive for someone that doesn't give a shit, but then the shit he's not giving might not be a very big one.

Maybe if you actually read what I wrote you would see i dont give a shit about "kiwi-build targets".
Don't go confusing me an bob discussing stuff with any sort of malace between us. Bob is a decent bloke for a tory.
Rabidly defensive pah,I only reply to these hypocritical moans of your ilk. But i guess when you have nothing at all positive in your life your lot will just moan about anything.

TheDemonLord

10th September 2019, 19:55

Maybe if you actually read what I wrote you would see i dont give a shit about "kiwi-build targets".
Bob on the other hand is a decent bloke for a tory, dont ever confuse me an dbob discussing stuff with any sort of malace. you however i doubt i woultdurinate on if you were combusting.
I only reply to these hypocritical moans.

Democracy!
Will of the People!
80% support!

But Election promises - nah, I don't give a shit about that.....

Good to see Consistency eh....

Swoop

10th September 2019, 21:31

... you would see i dont give a shit about "kiwi-build targets".

Apparently neither did liarbour.

husaberg

10th September 2019, 21:37

Apparently neither did liarbour.

You and Bob and ocean must feel personally down about a policy not getting implemented, to solve a problem the last government never acknowledged existed by a party you never voted for anyway..............
Maybe if you were able to concentrate your energies and pool your resources on getting the opposition leader above 5% support in the polls.

Swoop

10th September 2019, 21:42

You and Bob and ocean must feel personally down about a policy not getting implemented
Oh, they "implemented" it.
Just the simple fact that it was totally unachievable, is the issue. Any competent builder could have told you that...

Realism is the issue. Something that liarbour always uses/mis-uses to delude the braindead and gullible.

pritch

10th September 2019, 22:49

Just the simple fact that it was totally unachievable, is the issue. Any competent builder could have told you that...

It didn’t need a builder.

IIRC the target was 100,000 houses in ten years.
10,000 houses a year
Allowing them a while to get up to speed, some 1,000 houses a month.

I don’t think they even did that much calculation, more like think of a number and double it. Of course it’s possible they had been drinking and it all sounded pretty good at the time.

Simon is saying Labour should be working on the things Kiwis are worried about. Apparently he sees that as us joining with India in firing a rocket at the moon.

Where do we get these fucking idiots?

Berries

10th September 2019, 23:02

Where do we get these fucking idiots?
Sounds like y'all voted them in.

Doesn't matter the party even though there is gold in this thread with all the name calling. In the end they are all the same.

jasonu

11th September 2019, 02:24

Maybe if you actually read what I wrote

and there's your issue. People don't read a lot of what you post because it is either a pile of copy and paste, 10 pages long, irrelevant or your usual but national bullshit.

husaberg

11th September 2019, 06:53

and there's your issue. People don't read a lot of what you post because it is either a pile of copy and paste, 10 pages long, irrelevant or your usual but national bullshit.

Dont go blaming your lack of intellect or cognitive abilities on me Jason.
You're moaning about a party you never voted for, in a country where you don't live, failing to complete a policy, you never wanted, or thought was needed in the first place. That doesn't even effect you in the first place.
if i thought you could understand them, i would call you a series of descriptive names. but whoosh is all you would hear

Ocean1

11th September 2019, 08:06

Realism is the issue. Something that liarbour always uses/mis-uses to delude the braindead and gullible.

You mean...... credibility?

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/heather-du-plessis-allan-drive/opinion/heather-du-plessis-allan-we-must-question-jacinda-arderns-honesty-over-labour-sexual-assault-allegations/

Ocean1

11th September 2019, 08:11

Maybe if you actually read what I wrote you would see i dont give a shit about "kiwi-build targets".

Of course you don't, and yet in response to perfectly valid criticisms about labour's broken election promises involving hundreds of millions of dollars and affecting hundreds of thousands you absolutely foam at the mouth at largely imaginary nashnil transgressions.

Like I said, rabid.

sidecar bob

11th September 2019, 08:46

You mean...... credibility?

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/heather-du-plessis-allan-drive/opinion/heather-du-plessis-allan-we-must-question-jacinda-arderns-honesty-over-labour-sexual-assault-allegations/

Even if she is telling the truth & didn't know, do you want a prime minister that's about as up with current events as a street beggar?

sidecar bob

11th September 2019, 08:50

Dont go blaming your lack of intellect or cognitive abilities on me Jason.
You're moaning about a party you never voted for, in a country where you don't live, failing to complete a policy, you never wanted, or thought was needed in the first place. That doesn't even effect you in the first place.
if i thought you could understand them, i would call you a series of descriptive names. but whoosh is all you would hear

To add some balance to that argument (and I'm not taking sides, you kids will have to sort yourselves out) there's a whole thread where a bunch of kiwis are doing the same about trump.
To be fair, it seems Jason was born in NZ, which helps to explain his ongoing interest in the topic, unlike a lot of Trump thread posters, most of which have been too busy posting on the Internet to actually visit the USA in person.

jasonu

11th September 2019, 10:06

pritch

11th September 2019, 10:34

To be fair, it seems Jason was born in NZ, which helps to explain his ongoing interest in the topic, unlike a lot of Trump thread posters, most of which have been too busy posting on the Internet to actually visit the USA in person.

You don't seem to quite understand where you live. New Zealanders have a huge reputation as travellers. Offhand I can't think of any of my friends who haven't travelled the world either when young, in later life, or both. Many of the people I worked with had done so too. Some of the earlier travellers eventually made their life in Canada or the US permanently.

The 'big OE' is still a thing despite British restrictions on immigration making it more difficult.

TheDemonLord

11th September 2019, 11:09

You don't seem to quite understand where you live. New Zealanders have a huge reputation as travellers. Offhand I can't think of any of my friends who haven't travelled the world either when young, in later life, or both. Many of the people I worked with had done so too. Some of the earlier travellers eventually made their life in Canada or the US permanently.

The 'big OE' is still a thing despite British restrictions on immigration making it more difficult.

There's a world of difference between visiting a Country and living in a Country.

roogazza

11th September 2019, 11:17

343004

here's something to agree or disagree with..... A lot seems to ring true ?

pritch

11th September 2019, 11:24

There's a world of difference between visiting a Country and living in a Country.

Thank you for those words of wisdom. Most people in their twenties are away for a year or three.

Without adding them up I think I must have been to maybe twenty countries, some for just a one hour refuelling stop, and that can be long enough. Others I have lived in for years. These days I can't really be bothered with the embuggerances that go with international air travel so I'm happy to stay here thanks.

TheDemonLord

11th September 2019, 12:59

Thank you for those words of wisdom. Most people in their twenties are away for a year or three.

Without adding them up I think I must have been to maybe twenty countries, some for just a one hour refuelling stop, and that can be long enough. Others I have lived in for years. These days I can't really be bothered with the embuggerances that go with international air travel so I'm happy to stay here thanks.

Well, it wasn't meant to be Flippant, How many of those people in their Twenties actually buy Property and Settle in an Area?

Things change when you become permanently invested in where you are.

husaberg

11th September 2019, 13:29

To add some balance to that argument (and I'm not taking sides, you kids will have to sort yourselves out) there's a whole thread where a bunch of kiwis are doing the same about trump.
To be fair, it seems Jason was born in NZ, which helps to explain his ongoing interest in the topic, unlike a lot of Trump thread posters, most of which have been too busy posting on the Internet to actually visit the USA in person.

Jason has lived in NZ since The current PM and Opposition leaders were in diapers.
He goes off half arsed with no evidence to support his assertions. that's why he can never back them up with evidence, same as Ocean.
Meeting kiwibuild targets doesnt effect the rest of the world.
What Trump does and says on a national stage effects the world, his stupid trade wars and embargos and pulling out of deals like the TPP effect the rest of the world. its that simple.
Jason can say what ever he wants same as anyone else but he shouldn't get all prissy when hes asked to back up what he says.

Katman

11th September 2019, 13:37

.....but he shouldn't get all prissy when hes asked to back up what he says.

Oh the fucking irony.

:facepalm:

husaberg

11th September 2019, 13:44

Oh the fucking irony.

:facepalm:

The irony is you posting something claiming other people don't post evidence.
When you haven't presented a single piece of evidence in years

pritch

11th September 2019, 14:13

Well, it wasn't meant to be Flippant, How many of those people in their Twenties actually buy Property and Settle in an Area?

Things change when you become permanently invested in where you are.

While that's not completely untrue, it's way too extreme, you don't actually need to be 'invested' in a place. Not every country lets foreigners buy property. Apart from which supporting yourself would be impossible if you didn't speak the local language. That doesn't mean you shouldn't visit such places. The young Kiwis who work in the UK and tour Europe and maybe parts of Asia when not working are experiencing other cultures and learning.

There is still the old thing, "travel broadens the mind", but for that to work you have to have your eyes and your mind open. Most, but as we see here, not all do.

TheDemonLord

11th September 2019, 14:22

While that's not completely untrue, it's way too extreme, you don't actually need to be 'invested' in a place. Not every country lets foreigners buy property. Apart from which supporting yourself would be impossible if you didn't speak the local language. That doesn't mean you shouldn't visit such places. The young Kiwis who work in the UK and tour Europe and maybe parts of Asia when not working are experiencing other cultures and learning.

There is still the old thing, "travel broadens the mind", but for that to work you have to have your eyes and your mind open. Most, but as we see here, not all do.

True True, I quite like travel, but compared to my perception of NZ from when I visited to when I moved here, it's a very different experience, I equate it more to seeing something 'warts and all'.

The part about settling was also from personal experience - I've got a couple of Friends who travel to other countries, mainly doing seasonal work for a number of Months, then onto somewhere else - their entire life fits inside of their Backpack, I'm not critiquing their life choice (It's one of their endearing features), however when you can literally grab a bag and go when things go south, it's less of a worry than having to break a rental lease, organise a moving truck, change children's schools etc. etc.

The differences in mindset and reality make for different outlooks on life.

jasonu

11th September 2019, 15:01

The irony is you posting something claiming other people don't post evidence.
When you haven't presented a single piece of evidence in years

Oh the fucking irony

jasonu

11th September 2019, 15:09

Yet another (totally avoidable) bungle bought to you by the Labour Party.
It's almost as good as the gypsie tourists saga.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12266753

Banditbandit

11th September 2019, 16:00

Yet another (totally avoidable) bungle bought to you by the Labour Party.
It's almost as good as the gypsie tourists saga.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12266753

Do you understand the difference between the party and the caucus?

Your responses suggest you don't ..

jasonu

11th September 2019, 16:02

Do you understand the difference between the party and the caucus?

Your responses suggest you don't ..

Apparently their leader doesn't.
Have you not seen that silly bint claim she knew nothing of the nature of the complaints until a few days ago?

Banditbandit

11th September 2019, 16:16

Apparently their leader doesn't.
Have you not seen that silly bint claim she knew nothing of the nature of the complaints until a few days ago?

I think that clearly she does understand the difference - it is you who does not ..

The complainants were employed by the party - not by the caucus ... essentially it's an internal employment matter. There is no obvious reason why caucus and the PM should have been involved .. they are not the employers ..

It has got to caucus level because it's politically a very very bad look for the party - and that reflects badly on the whole party .. it only got to that level because of the party stuff ups ... and the complainants making it public ..

Now, I agree, the party has stuffed up - and heads needed to roll ... within the party structure. If the party had handled it properly - as they should have - this would never have reached the caucus ..

husaberg

11th September 2019, 17:02

Oh the fucking irony

Okay then Jason show some examples where i have presented something without there being or without having the facts to back it up?
#hint they might be those graphs pictures and information you refuse to read.
If its true that i do, it wont be hard for you to produce the evidence then. Now will it. Unless of course you are a bit confused again.

Ocean1

11th September 2019, 18:01

I've got a couple of Friends who travel to other countries, mainly doing seasonal work for a number of Months, then onto somewhere else - their entire life fits inside of their Backpack, I'm not critiquing their life choice (It's one of their endearing features), however when you can literally grab a bag and go when things go south, it's less of a worry than having to break a rental lease, organise a moving truck, change children's schools etc. etc.

The differences in mindset and reality make for different outlooks on life.

Yeah but that's not the typical Kiwi OE. That involves basically dumping yourself in London/Paris/Edinborough/LA and attempting not to sink without trace for a couple of years. It's enough to thoroughly integrate, and in my experience it does make a lot of Kiwis with that experience significantly less xenophobic, more open minded.

Which is why I get annoyed at our sometimes less than gracious acceptance of foreign OE visitors here.

sidecar bob

11th September 2019, 18:25

You don't seem to quite understand where you live.

I know & understand exactly where I live, so don't even go there.

jasonu

12th September 2019, 02:20

I think that clearly she does understand the difference - it is you who does not ..

The complainants were employed by the party - not by the caucus ... essentially it's an internal employment matter. There is no obvious reason why caucus and the PM should have been involved .. they are not the employers ..

It has got to caucus level because it's politically a very very bad look for the party - and that reflects badly on the whole party .. it only got to that level because of the party stuff ups ... and the complainants making it public ..

Now, I agree, the party has stuffed up - and heads needed to roll ... within the party structure. If the party had handled it properly - as they should have - this would never have reached the caucus ..

Yes I know the difference and you have totally made my point. It is another example of mismanagement that has landed them in this unnecessary mess.

A little while back someone asked if you would let this lot run your business. Hell no!!!!!

Ocean1

12th September 2019, 07:58

Do you understand the difference between the party and the caucus?

Your responses suggest you don't ..

Who was it that asked for and accepted Nigel's resignation?

The unions own both.

Banditbandit

12th September 2019, 08:50

Yes I know the difference and you have totally made my point. It is another example of mismanagement that has landed them in this unnecessary mess.

A little while back someone asked if you would let this lot run your business. Hell no!!!!!

OK - Yes, I see your point ..

Would I let this lot run my business ??? No - I would not let any of the party hierarchy run my business - they are a useless bunch of wannabes and do-gooders .. who's major recreation is being involved in the Labour party - they need to get a life ...

Would I let the Caucus run my business? That depends on which ones .. Claire Curran? Not at all - she's using up oxygen for no good purpose .. Others? Possibly ..

Who was it that asked for and accepted Nigel's resignation?

The unions own both.

It's easy to make the argument that Nigel's actions have damaged the party - and for the good of the party he needs to resign. Nigel at least had the grace to accept he stuffed up and resigned ..

That is not the same thing as asking for his resignation ..

If Nigel had refused, she could not dump him - that would have to go to the party for a vote of 'No Confidence' ... i.e. only the party can roll him .. which is highly likely, almost certain, to go against him - especially if the motion was proposed by the PM ..

Nigel seems to have accepted the reality of his position .. .

Ocean1

12th September 2019, 12:14

It's easy to make the argument that Nigel's actions have damaged the party - and for the good of the party he needs to resign. Nigel at least had the grace to accept he stuffed up and resigned .

Well it's a fucking sight easier than trying to argue that the parliamentary wing and the party aren't the same organisation.

Banditbandit

12th September 2019, 12:35

Well it's a fucking sight easier than trying to argue that the parliamentary wing and the party aren't the same organisation.

Yes - obviously ..

The distinction between the party and the caucus is a nuanced one - that seems to be beyond many people here (excluding you, of course .. who does get it)

Ocean1

12th September 2019, 17:57

"The desire to be a politician should bar you for life from ever becoming one". - BC

http://www.thecivilian.co.nz/the-moment-i-found-out-that-you-found-out-i-acted-swiftly/

oldrider

12th September 2019, 18:40

The moment I found out that you found out, I acted swiftly - "AGAIN"? - :stupid:

pritch

12th September 2019, 18:58

I know & understand exactly where I live, so don't even go there.

Sorry but if you post ignorant redneck crap people will judge you accordingly.

sidecar bob

12th September 2019, 19:54

Sorry but if you post ignorant redneck crap people will judge you accordingly.

So if I'm not blowing Labours cock I'm a redneck? Interesting take on it.
I suggested that perhaps a Kiwi living abroad had every reason to take an interest in NZ politics, if that's redneck crap then your credibility just took a hit.

Swoop

12th September 2019, 20:25

You mean...... credibility?

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/heather-du-plessis-allan-drive/opinion/heather-du-plessis-allan-we-must-question-jacinda-arderns-honesty-over-labour-sexual-assault-allegations/
She does not have any.

IF it is revealed that she knew about the sexual allegations, then she deliberately lied to the public.
A resignation would be appropriate as she cannot be trusted in other matters (naturally). The other people who are now being thrown under the bus to take the heat off of the tooth monster, will be forgotten rapidly.

She steadfastly refuses to take an interest in New Zealand's problems (this current scandal, Ihumatao, housing, homeless, child poverty, etc) and conveniently disappears out of the country to avoid the issues. Trying to get positive air-time for the job at the UN, obviously.

husaberg

12th September 2019, 20:56

She does not have any.

IF it is revealed that she knew about the sexual allegations, then she deliberately lied to the public.
A resignation would be appropriate as she cannot be trusted in other matters (naturally). The other people who are now being thrown under the bus to take the heat off of the tooth monster, will be forgotten rapidly.
.

How would this be proven, you are talking a lot of if's
Would for instance 450 texts between them and a secret payout directly out of the PM's leaders fund ie tax payer money be enough to prove they were aware of the allegations?
Or could they say they were was not a party to the dispute, and they did not know what the dispute was or how it was settled, Despite the 450 texts directly between the PM and the alleged victim?

jasonu

13th September 2019, 02:21

Sorry but if you post ignorant redneck crap .

According to who? You? Are you the judge around here?
and I thought you had begun to open your other eye.
As you were then.

jasonu

13th September 2019, 02:25

How would this be proven, Would for instance 450 texts between them and a secret payout directly out of the PM's leaders fund ie tax payer money be enough to prove they were aware of the allegations?
Or could they say they were was not a party to the dispute, and they did not know what the dispute was or how it was settled, Despite the 450 texts directly between the PM and the alleged victim?

What are you talking about?

Katman

13th September 2019, 06:28

What are you talking about?

But, but, but National......

sidecar bob

13th September 2019, 08:19

jasonu

13th September 2019, 10:03

Fuck really, 450 texts? can't anyone pick up a fuckin phone & call someone anymore?:facepalm:

Hillary Clinton couldn’t. 10000 missing texts.

husaberg

13th September 2019, 14:47

Fuck really, 450 texts? can't anyone pick up a fuckin phone & call someone anymore?:facepalm:

Had you forgotten about that one....
Turns out our overseas Local expert doesn't know about the memory loss where someone forgot about the 450 texts to the person and a statement they had to make to the police and arranging a tax payer funnded payout when they claimed no knowledge of the situation.
But as long as we are be fair here.
If i was to say look back i would see the same comments from all you guys calling for resignations etc no mater who it was especially considering there was verifiable proof there in tha situation

Swoop

13th September 2019, 16:16

How would this be proven, you are talking a lot of if's
IF an email is discovered, indicating that the tooth monster was informed of this debacle before she claims to have been made aware...

I'm sure Parliament services are rather busy with OIA requests at the moment.

husaberg

13th September 2019, 16:21

IF an email is discovered, indicating that the tooth monster was informed of this debacle before she claims to have been made aware...

I'm sure Parliament services are rather busy with OIA requests at the moment.

Heres an idea Swoop, if you quoted the entire quote of mine you might appear to have some credibility on the subject.

How would this be proven, you are talking a lot of if's
Would for instance 450 texts between them and a secret payout directly out of the PM's leaders fund ie tax payer money be enough to prove they were aware of the allegations?
Or could they say they were was not a party to the dispute, and they did not know what the dispute was or how it was settled, Despite the 450 texts directly between the PM and the alleged victim?

jasonu

13th September 2019, 16:31

But, but, but National......

Sounds about right

austingtir

13th September 2019, 17:49

Even top sycophants like Alison Mau are struggling to resist the urge to put the boot into Derpcinda on this one....

https://www.theguardian.com/world/commentisfree/2019/sep/13/labours-metoo-moment-eats-away-at-jacinda-arderns-most-prized-asset-trust

husaberg

13th September 2019, 20:23

Okay then Jason show some examples where i have presented something without there being or without having the facts to back it up?
#hint they might be those graphs pictures and information you refuse to read.
If its true that i do, it wont be hard for you to produce the evidence then. Now will it. Unless of course you are a bit confused again.

Sounds about right

Jason, thus far, zero evidence from you after a few days.

austingtir

13th September 2019, 20:34

I thought as much, zero evidence from you even after a few days.

Nobody on here needs evidence to know your full of shit.

jasonu

14th September 2019, 02:30

Jason, thus far, zero evidence from you after a few days.

It's all in the Herald (which your tooth fairy apparently doesn't read...).

husaberg

14th September 2019, 09:46

It's all in the Herald (which your tooth fairy apparently doesn't read...).

Maybe you need to go back to my post and read what it was about.:clap: