MotoGP 2018

[pritch]

Because MM stopped MV getting pole? Despite MV having another completely clear lap, where he failed to get within half a second of MM?

The rider's safety commission had a much better attended meeting than usual at Austin. No surprises there. I suspect some stern words were spoken and it's possible the riders are now operating under a somewhat less tolerant regime. Those who are slow to adjust may have to spend time in a naughty corner. If that's right it's all good - as long as it's consistent.

This comment from Zarco about the safety commission last year is interesting: https://www.motorcyclenews.com/sport/motogp/2017/november/motogp-zarco-defends-safety-commission-absence/

[HenryDorsetCase]

The pillion seater Mamola used to scare the crap out of people, was that a Cagiva?

Please don't judge me but I would be ok with getting that close to a man from behind for that experience.

Ducati I think.

Plus he does a lot of great work for charity*


but he doesnt like to talk about it

[Crasherfromwayback]

Nor is your reasoning on point.

MM was clearly riding like a muppet on the racing line. He knows the rules or is he so arrogant that he thinks they don't apply to him.

He's under intense scrutiny now so his rivals have to take full opportunity from it and make themselves as wide as possible and block pass him until his head explodes again.
If not then Doohan levels of dominance will ensue.

Go Vinales.

What's your delivery addy mate? I'll send you some tampons. 336325 Your day at the beach appears to be going poorly.

[husaberg]

Totally agree, his contribution to the (epic) sport of Motogp is outstanding.

If winning was the parameter, we would just have a list of championship titles.

The pillion seater Mamola used to scare the crap out of people, was that a Cagiva?

Please don't judge me but I would be ok with getting that close to a man from behind for that experience.


Ducati I think.

Plus he does a lot of great work for charity*


but he doesnt like to talk about it

The first pillion one i remember was a YZR500 Yam from team Roberts, Randy used to take people out on that.
that would have been arround 90 the pics here are later ones 92 ish
There was one for Ducati as well much later.
there were probably more
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[jasonu]

That was a snoozer.

[EJK]

I guess after seeing Argentina GP it's a bit hard to expect anything more/ as dramatic.

[Autech]

Got to say that track looks fucking horrible, what an embarrassment for the USA on the world stage. No riders in the championship and they turn their track into a dust pit trying to reduce bumps?

Moto2 race was an enjoyable race (didn't get up for moto3) and the GP was interesting in its own way for a few reasons:

Why is it Iannone only performs well when he's under the hammer? See him take the hat off to ruffle his hair for the photo in parc ferme? Should be racing F1 if he's concerned about his hair.
Imagine what he would be capable if he actually applied himself week in week out?

JL..... Losing my faith in him getting to terms with that bike I must say, to get passed by 2 guys on his bike from last year who only just got on board it says a lot about his ability to adapt... Rabat is a revelation on that bike too, beating Miller in a last lap duel isn't easy so kudos to him there. Miller ahead of Petrux again too, hope he gets that ride next year.

Brave ride from Dani, was expecting him to be outside the top 10 but he got a solid result there considering how physical the track is. Shame he didn't have the oomph to bring the battle to Dovi and Zarco. Good result though and will keep him near enough to keep gunning for the title.

Boring race? I think after last weeks bull shit we needed a normalish race where they all just knuckled down and did some racing. They do say the first few are always the craziest so perhaps this will be more of a sign of whats to come. All I know is the MM+Honda combo is looking as good as it ever has this year.

[roogazza]

#93 is Attila the Hun in traffic, he's also very Americanised isn't he ?

Good to see the Yamahas have improved .

Crashalot did just that, back to situation normal. :lol: :lol:

The hot goss of Doocati has faded somewhat,although Dovi used its speed to duff Zarco near the end.

[Autech]

#93 is Attila the Hun in traffic, he's also very Americanised isn't he ?

Good to see the Yamahas have improved .

Crashalot did just that, back to situation normal. :lol: :lol:

The hot goss of Doocati has faded somewhat,although Dovi used its speed to duff Zarco near the end.

#93 is the best American rider ever...

Love how Crash was all I'm the fucking man in Argentina and I got this when Dani and MM were both out of contention for various reasons. When it came to beating them on the track all he could do was kiss it!

[pritch]

#93 is Attila the Hun in traffic, he's also very Americanised isn't he ?


Marquez might not like the USA, the ICE gestapo could bust his arse and deport him to Mexico by mistake.

Austin is popular with the various GP people, Mat Oxley was saying it's his favourite race city.

[roogazza]

Marquez might not like the USA, the ICE gestapo could bust his arse and deport him to Mexico by mistake.

Austin is popular with the various GP people, Mat Oxley was saying it's his favourite race city.

Haha, I can't talk haven't been there yet, But hey, I've been invited to TX for 2019.. :banana:

[Autech]

Riders all comment on how good the atmosphere is there with the fans.
My only recommendation to someone traveling to the USA for the first time is go find a shop that sell digestive probiotics as soon as you get there.
Their food (even the fresh stuff) is so processed our delicate Kiwi guts don't know what to do with it and just give up the fight.

JL is complaining about Miller standing him up on the way through, was a hard move but looked alright to me. If you don't want to get overtaken George fucking put a move on!

That said I'm thinking JL is going to come out swinging next week at Jerez, lets see how he gets on before writing him off. If Suzuki can afford him it'll be an interesting mix should he decide to go, AI will need to do a bit more than one podium to keep his seat if JL or any of the other aliens is looking though.

[carbonhed]

Well that's pretty ominous isn't it?

Second in Qatar by 3 hundredths of a second.

Utterly dominant in Argentina until an electronics gremlin stalled his bike on the grid.

Dominant at the COTA again. From fourth on the grid to first in the first lap and then off and out of sight, apart from one lairy lunge from Iannone. Cruising to the finish. The feeling on the bike "sweet".

How cool to be able to respond to all the drama queens, calmly, politely, with good humour and crushing pace. I imagine he'll have slept well Sunday night.

Let's hope Mavrik and Dovi can fight back in Europe. Otherwise it'll be a battle for second.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Fucking smashed 'em Bro!!!

[Cosmik de Bris]

#93 is the best American rider ever...

Love how Crash was all I'm the fucking man in Argentina and I got this when Dani and MM were both out of contention for various reasons. When it came to beating them on the track all he could do was kiss it!

yes, poor old Cal, a prime example of the Dunning Krueger effect. It's funny, when he wins it's how good he is and how he's finally silencing his critics, next week when all the good riders are back...

Cheers

[Drew]

Race control has been handing out penalties for fucking up other people in qualifying for ages. Why is it a problem now?

Where whoever it was would have qulialified is moot. They deserve their shot.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Race control has been handing out penalties for fucking up other people in qualifying for ages. Why is it a problem now?

Where whoever it was would have qulialified is moot. They deserve their shot.

I look forward to seeing the list of Moto GP riders fined for it then.

[carbonhed]

Juan Mir... fuck yeah!

[Autech]

Race control has been handing out penalties for fucking up other people in qualifying for ages. Why is it a problem now?

Where whoever it was would have qulialified is moot. They deserve their shot.

Agree. If you don't want a penalty don't ride fucking slow on the racing line. That one was deserved from the footage I saw as MV was going all out for a quick lap.


Juan Mir... fuck yeah!

He's the next best thing for sure

[pritch]

Saw that Miller was riding with a broken collar bone, no other details were given.

[carbonhed]

Agree. If you don't want a penalty don't ride fucking slow on the racing line. That one was deserved from the footage I saw as MV was going all out for a quick lap.

He's the next best thing for sure

The problem for Marquez was that Iannone was just in front looking for a nice juicy tow as per fucking usual. It's about time that dickhead grew some balls and set his own time.

Oh yeah it's Joan Mir. My apologies Joan. No fucking standard spellings these dastardly Spaniards. From 24th at turn 1 to 4th at the finish and still having enough tyre to be closing on a podium. :Punk:

[Autech]

Saw that Miller was riding with a broken collar bone, no other details were given.

Cracked, torn rotator cuff and a few other "small" injuries.
Looking almost a certainty that he'll get the factory spec bike next year providing they don't hand it to Bags instead. Equally talented riders IMO just with Jacks experience he should probably get it.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Cracked, torn rotator cuff and a few other "small" injuries.
Looking almost a certainty that he'll get the factory spec bike next year providing they don't hand it to Bags instead. Equally talented riders IMO just with Jacks experience he should probably get it.

Must've been a fucking small cuff tear is all I can say.

[Autech]

https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/crutchlow-austin-crash-not-sixth-place-rider-1029288/

Actually bro you would have been in 7th if Dani was fit, or not on the podium as he'd kick ya butt all day every day. But keep telling yourself it's ok to fall off trying to get past Zarco as you fast bro, you fast. (btw I think he's a bloody good rider, just not as good 60% of those he's racing).

[carbonhed]

Actually bro you would have been in 7th if Dani was fit, or not on the podium as he'd kick ya butt all day every day. But keep telling yourself it's ok to fall off trying to get past Zarco as you fast bro, you fast. (btw I think he's a bloody good rider, just not as good 60% of those he's racing).

:facepalm: He just doesn't have an off button does he? Still... self belief is really important. Somebody must have told him that.

He's got the bike to have this year though. Just got to find that fine line between being fast and falling off... which most other riders would have found about three years ago.

Got three wins since the 2016 season though which is exactly the same as a certain aging prima donna on the factory Yamaha team.

[Reckless]

Zarco to KTM

https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/zarco-chooses-ktm-over-honda-2019-1029476

[Autech]

Zarco to KTM

https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/zarco-chooses-ktm-over-honda-2019-1029476

Lets see if he really is the next best thing on two wheels and can do better than Pol week in week out. Both Moto2 champions after all

[carbonhed]

Zarco to KTM

https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/zarco-chooses-ktm-over-honda-2019-1029476

Jesus that seems like a really stupid gamble. Can't believe it. At 28 he can't afford a couple of years in the widerness riding a dud.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Jesus that seems like a really stupid gamble. Can't believe it. At 28 he can't afford a couple of years in the widerness riding a dud.

Turn down a Honda for a KTM? Must've been the knock to the head as a baby.

[roogazza]

Jesus that seems like a really stupid gamble. Can't believe it. At 28 he can't afford a couple of years in the widerness riding a dud.

yes ,agree but maybe no other options avail ? Herve a known quantity plus team and Mechs all in place . Who knows ,if anyone can ride and succeed on the new KTM its Zarco ?
I'd put a dollar on him to do well. ??????????

[carbonhed]

yes ,agree but maybe no other options avail ? Herve a known quantity plus team and Mechs all in place . Who knows ,if anyone can ride and succeed on the new KTM its Zarco ?
I'd put a dollar on him to do well. ??????????

Right. So you think maybe he'll be going with Herve? Still seems like a huge leap into the unknown.

Lin Jarvis should grab him.

[Drew]

Right. So you think maybe he'll be going with Herve? Still seems like a huge leap into the unknown.

Lin Jarvis should grab him.
Think Ben Spies. Not gonna a win a title on anything, grab the cash and any seat ya can while you can.

[BMWST?]

Think Ben Spies. Not gonna a win a title on anything, grab the cash and any seat ya can while you can.



not 100 percent sure he couldnt win with the right equipment and support.But i dont think KTM will be good for him unless someone stays there who is a good development rider.Apprently JZ doesnt want to know what they have done to his bike...he just rides it to the max.I think he is extrodinarily talented with throttle control.Once(like dovi) he gets his head around how to manage the tyres i think he will win.He is nearly there now.
The problem with bikes that need corner speed is that there is no corner speed with marginal tyres.....Ducati has speed,Honda has braking/turning......I think Suzuki and Yamaha are similar in characteristics with Suzuki a bit more towards the Honda end of the spectrum.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Think Ben Spies. Not gonna a win a title on anything, grab the cash and any seat ya can while you can.

You mean the guy that won the World Superbike title in his rookie season? That guy?

[roogazza]

Right. So you think maybe he'll be going with Herve? Still seems like a huge leap into the unknown.

Lin Jarvis should grab him.

Sorry I thought Herve was dropping Yamaha and going with KTM ?? No ? French manager and rider ?
I'm sure Zarco would prefer a big team but no seats avail ? Repsol #93 and #26 and Yams #25 and #46
(#46 for two more years ! ).

But yeah, huge leap .

[carbonhed]

Sorry I thought Herve was dropping Yamaha and going with KTM ?? No ? French manager and rider ?
I'm sure Zarco would prefer a big team but no seats avail ? Repsol #93 and #26 and Yams #25 and #46
(#46 for two more years ! ).

But yeah, huge leap .

Zarco and Herve are both going to ktm? KTM are going to run two equal spec teams? I think.

Stìll... no matter how well Zarco gets on with his current team... would you want to be learning a new bike alongside a team doing the same?

Its been done recently but it didnt go well :no:

[Drew]

You mean the guy that won the World Superbike title in his rookie season? That guy?

We're talking GP here.

[Crasherfromwayback]

We're talking GP here.

Have you even been to one?

[Drew]

Have you even been to one?

Yeah. Not that it makes any difference.

Zarco isn't a title winning rider.

[carbonhed]

Yeah. Not that it makes any difference.

Zarco isn't a title winning rider.

Back to back Moto2 is nothing to be sneezed at... and who knows if he was on a top bike? He'd certainly not fail for want of trying :lol:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yeah. Not that it makes any difference.

Zarco isn't a title winning rider.

PI? And I'd have to agree with you.

[Autech]

Yeah. Not that it makes any difference.

Zarco isn't a title winning rider.


Back to back Moto2 is nothing to be sneezed at... and who knows if he was on a top bike? He'd certainly not fail for want of trying :lol:

I agree with Drew here (shock and horror) I don't rate him as any more brilliant than say, Rabat or Pol Espagaro who actually won their Moto2 titles a lot younger than him. According to Crashlow last year he reckoned if you put Miller or any of the other good rookies on that Yamaha and they'd have done the same as him.

Where I think Zarco does well is his approach to racing though, almost in the way that Dovi has worked his way into awesome form I think Zarco may have the same intelligence and from there he may be able to clinch a title IF someone on a competitive bike signs him, which at 28...
Problem for Zarco is he need to be better than so many other great riders to get a title and I think unless the Honda takes a step back or MM gets injured that won't be happening this year or the next.

[Mental Trousers]

Sorry I thought Herve was dropping Yamaha and going with KTM ?? No ? French manager and rider ?
I'm sure Zarco would prefer a big team but no seats avail ? Repsol #93 and #26 and Yams #25 and #46
(#46 for two more years ! ).

But yeah, huge leap .

Zarco and Herve are both going to ktm? KTM are going to run two equal spec teams? I think.

Stìll... no matter how well Zarco gets on with his current team... would you want to be learning a new bike alongside a team doing the same?

Its been done recently but it didnt go well :no:

It's not a stupid move. The resources that KTM are willing to throw at their MotoGP effort is stunning. That versus the Honda factory team that can't change anything important after the first race of the season is something to think hard about. Plus, the best team in the paddock (which Zarco is already in) is going to KTM and Herve has a knack for spotting something special. Don't be surprised if you see Tech 3 take over running the full factory effort for KTM eventually.

[pritch]

We're talking GP here.

Spies was handicapped by a rule change that prevented him going straight to a factory bike. Predictably that rule became known as "the Spies rule". Perhaps equally predictably Dorna dropped that rule so that a Spanish rider (Marquez) could go straight to a factory ride.

If in retrospect Spies is pissed off you couldn't blame him.

[carbonhed]

It's not a stupid move. The resources that KTM are willing to throw at their MotoGP effort is stunning. That versus the Honda factory team that can't change anything important after the first race of the season is something to think hard about. Plus, the best team in the paddock (which Zarco is already in) is going to KTM and Herve has a knack for spotting something special. Don't be surprised if you see Tech 3 take over running the full factory effort for KTM eventually.

Throwing vast sums of money and resources at MotoGP is great... more strength to their arm. Imagining that it's naturally going to bring results... that's pretty optimistic.

I imagine that Ducati has thrown a chunk of change at MotoGP over the last decade and they've come close to a championship once.

If KTM wins a dry race over the next couple of seasons... that would be a stunning achievement. This season they're averaging just over 30 seconds down on the race winner. Which is an improvement over last year but....

[ecko_nzed]

Throwing vast sums of money and resources at MotoGP is great... more strength to their arm. Imagining that it's naturally going to bring results... that's pretty optimistic.

I imagine that Ducati has thrown a chunk of change at MotoGP over the last decade and they've come close to a championship once.

If KTM wins a dry race over the next couple of seasons... that would be a stunning achievement. This season they're averaging just over 30 seconds down on the race winner. Which is an improvement over last year but....Only took Suzuki 2 seasons to win a race, They seem to be doing alright?

I would argue that KTM has more resources (not just money, but people that know how to make bikes go faster) at its disposal. A

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[Grumph]

Only took Suzuki 2 seasons to win a race, They seem to be doing alright?

I would argue that KTM has more resources (not just money, but people that know how to make bikes go faster) at its disposal. A

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Comparing Suzuki to KTM is interesting. Suzuki have had a history lately of going the wrong way - in % terms, maybe 70% of their decisions are correct. That's covering everything from bike layout to riders.

KTM, looked at across their involvement in everything MotoGP - incl 2 and 3 - would have a much higher correct decision rate. They would also have to be taking a leaf out of the old Honda book and training staff as they go. It looks like it's working to this point. It's going to be interesting to watch.

I see Honda and Yamaha as starting to stagnate. While the current regs are a bit stifling, some original thought must happen soon.

[carbonhed]

Only took Suzuki 2 seasons to win a race, They seem to be doing alright?



Apart from the 70's 80's 90's 00's up until 11 they have almost no experience whatsoever, zero, nil, clueless, inexperienced noobs.

KTM could make huge leaps forward. They could get MM to ride it. Don't see it happening but YMMV.

[ecko_nzed]

Apart from the 70's 80's 90's 00's up until 11 they have almost no experience whatsoever, zero, nil, clueless, inexperienced noobs.

KTM could make huge leaps forward. They could get MM to ride it. Don't see it happening but YMMV.I said resources, not experience.

Sure Suzuki have racing experience, but the GSXRR was a brand new bike, in a new formula, with a new control tyre, in a new team, with new riders.

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[carbonhed]

I said resources, not experience.

Sure Suzuki have racing experience, but the GSXRR was a brand new bike, in a new formula, with a new control tyre, in a new team, with new riders.

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OK. I'll bet you $50 that they don't win a single dry race 2018 2019 seasons.

Aprillia had a kick ass WSBK and the continents will shift before they get a win.

ETA... and I'm seriously not a betting man.

[Dadpole]

Don't overlook that KTM have their own suspension to develop too. Everyone else has a large pool of Ohlins expertise to tap into. I imagine that could cost KTM an extra year of data gathering.
Look at the Showa experience of a few years ago (Even with Honda throwing lots of money at it)

[BMWST?]

Don't overlook that KTM have their own suspension to develop too. Everyone else has a large pool of Ohlins expertise to tap into. I imagine that could cost KTM an extra year of data gathering.
Look at the Showa experience of a few years ago (Even with Honda throwing lots of money at it)
the problem with showa was there was only(bautista?) giving the data?

[Dadpole]

the problem with showa was there was only(bautista?) giving the data?

Eggzakery. Bradl was the Showa (and Nissin) testbed for a while too. Talk about being lonely in a crowd.

If KTM have 4 bikes that leaves 20 with Ohlins gathering data. I see it as a game where the target (tyres and track surface) is a moving one. I wonder if KTM will throw in the towel eventually and join the Ohlins camp or stay with WP to save face.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Eggzakery. Bradl was the Showa (and Nissin) testbed for a while too. Talk about being lonely in a crowd.

If KTM have 4 bikes that leaves 20 with Ohlins gathering data. I see it as a game where the target (tyres and track surface) is a moving one. I wonder if KTM will throw in the towel eventually and join the Ohlins camp or stay with WP to save face.

Sometimes swimming upstream pays off. Ducati and Bridgestone in 2007?

[jasonu]

.

KTM, looked at across their involvement in everything MotoGP - incl 2 and 3 - would have a much higher correct decision rate. .

That's more or less how they instantly went from zero to hero in the AMA supercross a few years ago.

[Grumph]

Eggzakery. Bradl was the Showa (and Nissin) testbed for a while too. Talk about being lonely in a crowd.

If KTM have 4 bikes that leaves 20 with Ohlins gathering data. I see it as a game where the target (tyres and track surface) is a moving one. I wonder if KTM will throw in the towel eventually and join the Ohlins camp or stay with WP to save face.

It works both ways...Do you want to be 10th in the queue for the attention of Ohlins - or have the adjustments done immediately by your own WP tech ?

[Autech]

It works both ways...Do you want to be 10th in the queue for the attention of Ohlins - or have the adjustments done immediately by your own WP tech ?

Pretty much. Bit like the Ducati and Honda crew hiring Marino spaghetti engineers to tweak there electronics to give them the edge over the Yamaha and Suzuki crew on the spec electrics. Paid off big time!

Having WP tech right then and there analysing the data with your boys has got to be good. What is also true though is if the suspension is a turd to start off with it'll take lots of polishing and may still be a turd :second:...

[carbonhed]

I'm pretty sure every team has their own Ohlins tech full time. Possibly more than one. You'd never be tenth in line. How could that work?

[Grumph]

I'm pretty sure every team has their own Ohlins tech full time. Possibly more than one. You'd never be tenth in line. How could that work?

While I don't know how many trucks or techs they take to meetings now, at the WSB round here, there were only two techs to look after the Ohlins users.
And yes, there was a queue...
I'd be surprised if the out of Europe rounds had full Ohlins support.

[carbonhed]

Nah. Here's the Ducati team roster from a few years ago. Dovi and Iannone each have their own Ohlins tech.

http://www.ducati.com/racing/motogp/team_old/index.do

[AllanB]

I live in hope Rossi gets one more championship win before retiring. But alas the talent pool riding with him is overflowing.

It occurred to me the other day that what a hoot it would be if they had a big points round where the riders had to ride another teams bike - pull it out of a hat kind of thing. That would sort em out.

[Autech]

I live in hope Rossi gets one more championship win before retiring. But alas the talent pool riding with him is overflowing.

It occurred to me the other day that what a hoot it would be if they had a big points round where the riders had to ride another teams bike - pull it out of a hat kind of thing. That would sort em out.Considering the first of his VR46 academy is joining next year I rate his hopes very slim for a 10th. Don't care either way as long as there is a good battle for it myself, statistic we can talk about once he retires n MM smashes em all. Then we can talk how the next fast guy smashes MM's...

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[Crasherfromwayback]

I live in hope Rossi gets one more championship win before retiring.



It ain't gonna happen Bro. I called it when MM arrived.

[pritch]

I'm pretty sure every team has their own Ohlins tech full time. Possibly more than one. You'd never be tenth in line. How could that work?

I seem to recall when I was looking in the Repsol pit at PI there was what looked like a shock compressing tool on the bench either side of the garage. Got the impression they weren't planning on waiting around while someone else swapped a spring or otherwise worked on a shock.

[AllanB]

It ain't gonna happen Bro. I called it when MM arrived.


Nothing a decent crash and injury won't fix :shutup:

[roogazza]

Not to put a hex on the man,but he's overdue to get a bit hurt or break something.

Who knows. what the year will unfold ? Dovi will be hoping, but he''ll need more than a hurt #93 .

Crashalot would have kittens and jump off just thinking about it.

Some of the Young Uns maybe,but I'm for a Yamaha Title,they're due for a turn ? :shifty:

[carbonhed]

I seem to recall when I was looking in the Repsol pit at PI there was what looked like a shock compressing tool on the bench either side of the garage. Got the impression they weren't planning on waiting around while someone else swapped a spring or otherwise worked on a shock.

Exactly. Each rider has his own suspension tech from Ohlins. Probably the most important relationship in the garage... although the electonics wizard must be up there these days.

[george formby]

Not to put a hex on the man,but he's overdue to get a bit hurt or break something.

Who knows. what the year will unfold ? Dovi will be hoping, but he''ll need more than a hurt #93 .

Crashalot would have kittens and jump off just thinking about it.

Some of the Young Uns maybe,but I'm for a Yamaha Title,they're due for a turn ? :shifty:

MM has uncharacteristically lost his cool already this season, well, compared to the last couple of years.

As long as he is being pushed hard enough anything could happen.

No shortage of pushers this season, either.

[pritch]

MM has uncharacteristically lost his cool already this season, well, compared to the last couple of years.


I'm just listening to the Paddock Pass podcast, accessible from the MotoMatters website.

Much discussion about Austin - and the hangover from Argentina. As we thought there were changes announced at the riders safety commission. All penalties have been upgraded one step. What would have previously resulted in a warning now gets a grid penalty and so on.

Marquez' Argentina performence and the subsequent fall out is the subject of considerable discussion. "Lost his cool" is an understatement.

After Argentina there were calls for Mike Webb to be replaced but the panel think he got most things right. While Marquez could justifiably have been black flagged, the main criticism is of the Aaron Canet incident. Alas I still haven't seen that, but it seems universally accepted that he deliberately took another rider out in a fit of pique during practice. There was no subsequent penalty and that set the tone for what turned out to be a wild weekend.

[Autech]

I'm just listening to the Paddock Pass podcast, accessible from the MotoMatters website.

Much discussion about Austin - and the hangover from Argentina. As we thought there were changes announced at the riders safety commission. All penalties have been upgraded one step. What would have previously resulted in a warning now gets a grid penalty and so on.

Marquez' Argentina performence and the subsequent fall out is the subject of considerable discussion. "Lost his cool" is an understatement.

After Argentina there were calls for Mike Webb to be replaced but the panel think he got most things right. While Marquez could justifiably have been black flagged, the main criticism is of the Aaron Canet incident. Alas I still haven't seen that, but it seems universally accepted that he deliberately took another rider out in a fit of pique during practice. There was no subsequent penalty and that set the tone for what turned out to be a wild weekend.

I saw it somewhere, he definitely flew in there with absolutely no regard for the other guy and cleaned him out good n proper.

[george formby]

I saw it somewhere, he definitely flew in there with absolutely no regard for the other guy and cleaned him out good n proper.

Which FP did it happen in? Might watch it while it's raining.

Still got moto 3 / 2 from Austin to watch. Could be an early beer day.

[Autech]

Here it is

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=aaron+canet+incident&&view=detail&mid=C226233E1F49DCB063EAC226233E1F49DCB063EA&&FORM=VRDGAR

[george formby]

Pretty sure I saw some small toys flung around in that incident.

Cheers.

[pritch]

Here it is


hanks for that. I'd read Canet chopped the other rider's front wheel out. I guess the fact that he went down too made race directon think twice. He would be unwise to try that again.

[pritch]

Here's David Emmett's take on the new "crime and punishment" regime in MotoGP.


https://motomatters.com/analysis/2018/04/28/same_crime_stricter_penalties_the.html

[jasonu]

Here's David Emmett's take on the new "crime and punishment" regime in MotoGP.


https://motomatters.com/analysis/2018/04/28/same_crime_stricter_penalties_the.html

Soon they'll be handing out fucking participation trophy's.

[Autech]

Jerez this weekend :scooter:

So historically this isn't MM's fastest track (pretty sure he's only won once in 2014) so if he pulls a win out this weekend it'll be scary for the rest of the riders.

On previous form all of the aliens have done well here. What I'm keen to see this weekend:

Track resurface - Is it any faster
Factory Yamahas - Can they both finish ahead of Zarco as he kicked their tails last year
Lorenzo - Can he pull off another podium or even perhaps a win
Pedrosa - He was dominant last year with the softer carcus tyre (the last round they used it) so if he can get the tyre to work and his wrist is ok we may see another 26 win :yes:
Aleix Espagaro - He thinks they've got the engine now to be up there most the time, top 6 for him would be great.
Sam Lowes - Which corner he crashes out on the Moto2 bike.

Bring it on!

[Dadpole]

Jerez this weekend :scooter:
Sam Lowes - Which corner he crashes out on the Moto2 bike.


He has promised to do better this weekend, so Turn 6

[roogazza]

He has promised to do better this weekend, so Turn 6

Lol, he's going for the Title don't ya know ? :yawn:

Hope its dry,that'll all. #25 and #46 for a win, I'd be happy. :shifty: :laugh:

[Dadpole]

At this point, I will give Rins a good podium chance. I can see me putting money on the lad this race.

[pritch]

Today I came across an interview with Jerry Burgess it's on a show called Rusty's Garage available on a site called Podcast One, Series 1 episode 11.

It can be a bit awkward to find but with luck this'll work: https://www.podcastone.com.au/episode/rustys-garage-S1-Ep11-Jeremy-Burgess

There's one hour 22 minutes of it but it covers his whole career, all interesting of course; his thoughts on the various riders, mechanics, and the top factory people. His comments regarding Rossi's Laguna Seca dice with Casey Stoner were a stand out in a number of ways.

I was hoping he'd write a book but this may be as close as we get. Well worth a listen.

[pritch]

The riders game of musical chairs continues, Zarco to KTM with ESP for next year. Bladders has to kick arse to even have a ride.

[Crasherfromwayback]

The riders game of musical chairs continues, Zarco to KTM with ESP for next year. Bladders has to kick arse to even have a ride.

Personally, I think that's a bad move.

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2018/05/03/zarco-joins-ktm-for-2019-and-2020-seasons/256955

[Autech]

The riders game of musical chairs continues, Zarco to KTM with ESP for next year. Bladders has to kick arse to even have a ride.Also seems like Lorenzo to Suzuki is a happening thing...
Leaves a seat open at Ducati:
Mir to Honda?
Pedrosa to Ducati?

So early in the season amazes me as they really have no idea who has what form yet with such random tracks



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[Crasherfromwayback]

This is pretty cool.

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2018/05/02/vr46worldlap-a-milestone-for-rossi-in-jerez/256869

[Dadpole]

That really does highlight how long he has been a competitive racer. To do that time and distance shows that it is not just a job.

PS:
I hope Bladders - if not racing - gets a job with a commentary team. 'Helium Boy' (as my wife calls him) is great at explaining technical things in a way that even I can understand.

[roogazza]

This is pretty cool.

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2018/05/02/vr46worldlap-a-milestone-for-rossi-in-jerez/256869


That really does highlight how long he has been a competitive racer. To do that time and distance shows that it is not just a job.


This is one of the things I really admire about Rossi, his passion to ride and race motorcycles.
It's the sort of passion that has kept me riding bikes for so long .

[merv]

Personally, I think that's a bad move.

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2018/05/03/zarco-joins-ktm-for-2019-and-2020-seasons/256955

If this is to the official KTM team, who is getting the two KTM rides with Herve?

[Autech]

If this is to the official KTM team, who is getting the two KTM rides with Herve?

My bet:
Olivera
and
Bradders or Syarin (Malaysians really want him to stay on a GP bike and he's done well so far)

[Autech]

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/895000/1/ktm-instead-honda-zarco-explains#comments

I must say I like Zarco off the track, he's straight to the point and seems a genuine dude.

Reading between the lines of his decision he didn't go to Honda as he's not sure he could learn to ride the Honda as well as MM (or even Dani?), therefore he'd be #2 unless he suddenly learned to be a rough mental rider. He's no doubt seen how much the rookies struggle on the Honda and also taken that into account.
His coach thinks the KTM will either suit his current style or they can prod it in the direction of his style so he'll have more chance of taking it to MM.
To win you must have the weapon that suits you so why jump on one that's not right? For example how many titles would Dani have if he had swapped bikes earlier in his career? No way of knowing but you have got to admire Zarco's intelligence there, the MM-Honda combo is arguably the best on the grid.

I wish him all the best, though we won't know how good he really is until he lines up next to Pol and starts beating him by a country mile race in race out, which to be honest having watched them both in Moto2 I'm not sure if he's going to do. Happy to be proven wrong though!

[Crasherfromwayback]

[ KTM will either suit his current style or they can prod it in the direction of his style so he'll have more chance of taking it to MM.
!

I can't see anyone on a KTM scaring MM anytime soon.

[Autech]

I can't see anyone on a KTM scaring MM anytime soon.

Not Zarco anyways, Pol Espagaro was in the top 10 pretty much every race on the Yamaha that he finished so was hardly a slouch. If he's not up the front there's probably a reason for it.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Not Zarco anyways, Pol Espagaro was in the top 10 pretty much every race on the Yamaha that he finished so was hardly a slouch. If he's not up the front there's probably a reason for it.

Big diff between being in the top ten and scaring MM.

[pritch]

My bet:
Olivera
and
Bradders or Syarin (Malaysians really want him to stay on a GP bike and he's done well so far)

I wouldn't think Smith would normally be an option, he's been there done that and was dropped to make room for a younger rider. Things might be different with KTM in play but...

Syahrin has probably done enough to keep his job.


I must say I like Zarco off the track, he's straight to the point and seems a genuine dude.

Apparently the other riders don't much like Zarco on the track. He said he generally avoids the Riders Safety Commission meetings because too many people complain about his riding.

[Autech]

I wouldn't think Smith would normally be an option, he's been there done that and was dropped to make room for a younger rider. Things might be different with KTM in play but...

Syahrin has probably done enough to keep his job.

It's an interesting scenario, Bradders will be competing with some hot property if he wants to keep his arse on a GP bike, case for all of them
Bradders - Been involved from day 1 with the KTM so full of knowledge about the bike
Syarin - Malaysian and doing ok so may just be in with a shot, especially the Malaysian part
Olivera - Fucking fast rider who did good things on a KTM when Kent was smashing it on the Honda
Binder - Won a title on a KTM and also fucking fast.

What it will come down to I think is KTM will want to keep at least one of their boys in Moto2, so my money is on Binder staying at least one more year. That leaves Oliver, Smith and Syarin all competing for the same seat. Herve likes the young talent so you may be right, but the case for bringing Smith in for at least one year to help with set up might be there...


Apparently the other riders don't much like Zarco on the track. He said he generally avoids the Riders Safety Commission meetings because too many people complain about his riding.

That's because he rides like a cunt PMSL

[ecko_nzed]

Herve likes the young talent so you may be right, but the case for bringing Smith in for at least one year to help with set up might be there...

Herve was indicating pretty heavily in the pre-press conference interview that the role of Tech 3 in the new deal with KTM is to be the junior team, feeding new talent into the KTM Redbull team. That would rule Smith out.

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[Autech]

From the horses mouth:

https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/tech-3-indicates-smith-return-unlikely-1033190/

Syahrin, Oliveira "strong possibility" for 2019

Poncharal, meanwhile, revealed that incumbent Hafizh Syahrin and KTM junior Miguel Oliveira are favourites to represent Tech 3 in 2019.

"Nothing is done, there are a lot of possibilities, but Syahrin, Oliveira is a strong possibility," Poncharal said.

"I am very happy with Hafizh Syahrin. We were in a difficult situation when Jonas Folger decided not to race and finally we find an incredible, exciting and performant solution.

"The position of our team is clear, and this is what we discussed and planned and this is also the will of KTM, we are the junior team.

"KTM made it public they have offered Miguel Oliveira the possibility to step up to MotoGP class with Tech 3 and full factory support from KTM."

I honestly dont see any other seats that will be available for Smith in the GP class.
What if Folger decides he wants to return too...

Silly season indeed

[Drew]

Why the fuck are KTM even fielding a junior team? They're still a junior team at factory level.

Dumb.

[Reckless]

I must say KTM are giving it a very very big effort. Compared to Aprilia and even Suzuki.

They want the Data, the riders opinions, the team structures to give them everything they need to foot it with Yamaha - Honda and Ducati.
Certainly throwing the bank at it thats for sure we shall see if they can be the only team to make a trellis frame and none Ohlins suspenders work?

I ride dirt on a KTM so I hope they can be up there.

[BMWST?]

Why the fuck are KTM even fielding a junior team? They're still a junior team at factory level.

Dumb.
cos they need the data that 4 bikes can give them and options for trying things.4 bikes twice as fast development??

[BMWST?]

only a second seperates the top 18


<thead>
Pos.
Num.
Rider
Bike
Time
Gap 1st
Prev.

</thead><tbody>
1
4
Andrea DOVIZIOSO
Ducati
1'39.268




2
93
Marc MARQUEZ
Honda
1'39.275
0.007
0.007


3
44
Pol ESPARGARO
KTM
1'39.311
0.043
0.036


4
9
Danilo PETRUCCI
Ducati
1'39.429
0.161
0.118


5
43
Jack MILLER
Ducati
1'39.483
0.215
0.054


6
46
Valentino ROSSI
Yamaha
1'39.488
0.220
0.005


7
5
Johann ZARCO
Yamaha
1'39.518
0.250
0.030


8
35
Cal CRUTCHLOW
Honda
1'39.548
0.280
0.030


9
25
Maverick VIÑALES
Yamaha
1'39.559
0.291
0.011


10
45
Scott REDDING
Aprilia
1'39.585
0.317
0.026


11
29
Andrea IANNONE
Suzuki
1'39.614
0.346
0.029


12
36
Mika KALLIO
KTM
1'39.817
0.549
0.203


13
41
Aleix ESPARGARO
Aprilia
1'39.899
0.631
0.082


14
26
Dani PEDROSA
Honda
1'39.934
0.666
0.035


15
99
Jorge LORENZO
Ducati
1'39.986
0.718
0.052


16
30
Takaaki NAKAGAMI
Honda
1'40.007
0.739
0.021


17
17
Karel ABRAHAM
Ducati
1'40.032
0.764
0.025


18
19
Alvaro BAUTISTA
Ducati
1'40.193
0.925
0.161


19
53
Tito RABAT
Ducati
1'40.366
1.098
0.173


20
38
Bradley SMITH
KTM
1'40.371
1.103
0.005


21
42
Alex RINS
Suzuki
1'40.537
1.269
0.166


22
12
Thomas LUTHI
Honda
1'40.585
1.317
0.048


23
21
Franco MORBIDELLI
Honda
1'40.605
1.337
0.020


24
10
Xavier SIMEON
Ducati
1'41.471
2.203
0.866


25
55
Hafizh SYAHRIN
Yamaha
1'42.074
2.806
0.603

</tbody>

[Crasherfromwayback]

only a second seperates the top 18


<thead>
Pos.
Num.
Rider
Bike
Time
Gap 1st
Prev.

</thead><tbody>
1
4
Andrea DOVIZIOSO
Ducati
1'39.268




2
93
Marc MARQUEZ
Honda
1'39.275
0.007
0.007


3
44
Pol ESPARGARO
KTM
1'39.311
0.043
0.036


4
9
Danilo PETRUCCI
Ducati
1'39.429
0.161
0.118


5
43
Jack MILLER
Ducati
1'39.483
0.215
0.054


6
46
Valentino ROSSI
Yamaha
1'39.488
0.220
0.005


7
5
Johann ZARCO
Yamaha
1'39.518
0.250
0.030


8
35
Cal CRUTCHLOW
Honda
1'39.548
0.280
0.030


9
25
Maverick VIÑALES
Yamaha
1'39.559
0.291
0.011


10
45
Scott REDDING
Aprilia
1'39.585
0.317
0.026


11
29
Andrea IANNONE
Suzuki
1'39.614
0.346
0.029


12
36
Mika KALLIO
KTM
1'39.817
0.549
0.203


13
41
Aleix ESPARGARO
Aprilia
1'39.899
0.631
0.082


14
26
Dani PEDROSA
Honda
1'39.934
0.666
0.035


15
99
Jorge LORENZO
Ducati
1'39.986
0.718
0.052


16
30
Takaaki NAKAGAMI
Honda
1'40.007
0.739
0.021


17
17
Karel ABRAHAM
Ducati
1'40.032
0.764
0.025


18
19
Alvaro BAUTISTA
Ducati
1'40.193
0.925
0.161


19
53
Tito RABAT
Ducati
1'40.366
1.098
0.173


20
38
Bradley SMITH
KTM
1'40.371
1.103
0.005


21
42
Alex RINS
Suzuki
1'40.537
1.269
0.166


22
12
Thomas LUTHI
Honda
1'40.585
1.317
0.048


23
21
Franco MORBIDELLI
Honda
1'40.605
1.337
0.020


24
10
Xavier SIMEON
Ducati
1'41.471
2.203
0.866


25
55
Hafizh SYAHRIN
Yamaha
1'42.074
2.806
0.603

</tbody>

Bit of a fail there my friend. But an interesting session none the less.

[BMWST?]

Bit of a fail there my friend. But an interesting session none the less.

1 :39 .268 + 1 sec = 1:40.268 which bautista at 1 40 .193 beats ,where is the fail?:(

[Crasherfromwayback]

1 :39 .268 + 1 sec = 1:40.268 which bautista at 1 40 .193 beats ,where is the fail?:(

Lol. I can't read the pic you linked. Prob has something to do with my vs your choice of colours chosen. I can't see a thing!

[sugilite]

Bwadley has already been given a lot of shots. Even with his arse on the line, he can still only manage 18th in free practice 2 - underwhelming. As has been his entire motogp career. Bye Bwadley :weep:

[pritch]

Lol. I can't read the pic you linked. Prob has something to do with my vs your choice of colours chosen. I can't see a thing!

Me neither. No text at all.

[pritch]

Bwadley has already been given a lot of shots. Even with his arse on the line, he can still only manage 18th in free practice 2 - underwhelming. As has been his entire motogp career. Bye Bwadley :weep:

In a moment of mental downtime this morning I was thinking about this. Unlike Karel Abraham he probably hasn't got a father well heeled enough to fund a team, so there may be no place for him in GPs. Even if there was an offer it's hard to see him going back to Moto2. The next option would be Superbikes but I don't see him beating Rea, Davies, Sykes and Co. As someone else has already said, his best bet might be a place on a commentary team.

I hope he has a Plan B, it looks like he'll need it.

[Autech]

Jack Miller looking bloody strong once more and ahead of Petrux again.

Whats everyones thoughts on a JM AD factory team next year? He said Ducati have the option, its just whether they choose to run with him or not.
If JL does leave the only guys I see lining up for that seat are
Jackass
Dani (maybe)
Petrux - not going well atm
Bagniaia - not sure if Ducati would chuck someone straight into the factory like Honda considering they have the Pramac team as their junior team.

Petrux would most likely be scooped up by Aprilia if he isn't offer the factory seat so it is plausible that next year the Ducati-Pramac looks like this
Ducati:
Dovi
Jack
Pramac:
Tito
Bags

I think Dovi would be silly to go to Honda so that talk is just there to get him more dollars from Ducati.

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[BMWST?]

Lol. I can't read the pic you linked. Prob has something to do with my vs your choice of colours chosen. I can't see a thing!
oh...its a copy of the timing sheet from motogp hmmm interesting

[husaberg]

Me neither. No text at all.
You can if you highlight it with your cursor, it just designed for a white background.
Or I could just change the font colour.

<tbody>
Pos.

Num.

Rider

Bike

Time

Gap 1st

Prev.



1

4

Andrea DOVIZIOSO

Ducati

1'39.268





2

93

Marc MARQUEZ

Honda

1'39.275

0.007

0.007



3

44

Pol ESPARGARO

KTM

1'39.311

0.043

0.036



4

9

Danilo PETRUCCI

Ducati

1'39.429

0.161

0.118



5

43

Jack MILLER

Ducati

1'39.483

0.215

0.054



6

46

Valentino ROSSI

Yamaha

1'39.488

0.220

0.005



7

5

Johann ZARCO

Yamaha

1'39.518

0.250

0.030



8

35

Cal CRUTCHLOW

Honda

1'39.548

0.280

0.030



9

25

Maverick VIÑALES

Yamaha

1'39.559

0.291

0.011



10

45

Scott REDDING

Aprilia

1'39.585

0.317

0.026



11

29

Andrea IANNONE

Suzuki

1'39.614

0.346

0.029



12

36

Mika KALLIO

KTM

1'39.817

0.549

0.203



13

41

Aleix ESPARGARO

Aprilia

1'39.899

0.631

0.082



14

26

Dani PEDROSA

Honda

1'39.934

0.666

0.035



15

99

Jorge LORENZO

Ducati

1'39.986

0.718

0.052



16

30

Takaaki NAKAGAMI

Honda

1'40.007

0.739

0.021



17

17

Karel ABRAHAM

Ducati

1'40.032

0.764

0.025



18

19

Alvaro BAUTISTA

Ducati

1'40.193

0.925

0.161



19

53

Tito RABAT

Ducati

1'40.366

1.098

0.173



20

38

Bradley SMITH

KTM

1'40.371

1.103

0.005



21

42

Alex RINS

Suzuki

1'40.537

1.269

0.166



22

12

Thomas LUTHI

Honda

1'40.585

1.317

0.048



23

21

Franco MORBIDELLI

Honda

1'40.605

1.337

0.020



24

10

Xavier SIMEON

Ducati

1'41.471

2.203

0.866



25

55

Hafizh SYAHRIN

Yamaha

1'42.074

2.806

0.603


</tbody>

[BMWST?]

You can if you highlight it with your cursor, it just designed for a white background.
Or I could just change the font colour.

<tbody>
Pos.
Num.
Rider
Bike
Time
Gap 1st
Prev.


1
4
Andrea DOVIZIOSO
Ducati
1'39.268




2
93
Marc MARQUEZ
Honda
1'39.275
0.007
0.007


3
44
Pol ESPARGARO
KTM
1'39.311
0.043
0.036


4
9
Danilo PETRUCCI
Ducati
1'39.429
0.161
0.118


5
43
Jack MILLER
Ducati
1'39.483
0.215
0.054


6
46
Valentino ROSSI
Yamaha
1'39.488
0.220
0.005


7
5
Johann ZARCO
Yamaha
1'39.518
0.250
0.030


8
35
Cal CRUTCHLOW
Honda
1'39.548
0.280
0.030


9
25
Maverick VIÑALES
Yamaha
1'39.559
0.291
0.011


10
45
Scott REDDING
Aprilia
1'39.585
0.317
0.026


11
29
Andrea IANNONE
Suzuki
1'39.614
0.346
0.029


12
36
Mika KALLIO
KTM
1'39.817
0.549
0.203


13
41
Aleix ESPARGARO
Aprilia
1'39.899
0.631
0.082


14
26
Dani PEDROSA
Honda
1'39.934
0.666
0.035


15
99
Jorge LORENZO
Ducati
1'39.986
0.718
0.052


16
30
Takaaki NAKAGAMI
Honda
1'40.007
0.739
0.021


17
17
Karel ABRAHAM
Ducati
1'40.032
0.764
0.025


18
19
Alvaro BAUTISTA
Ducati
1'40.193
0.925
0.161


19
53
Tito RABAT
Ducati
1'40.366
1.098
0.173


20
38
Bradley SMITH
KTM
1'40.371
1.103
0.005


21
42
Alex RINS
Suzuki
1'40.537
1.269
0.166


22
12
Thomas LUTHI
Honda
1'40.585
1.317
0.048


23
21
Franco MORBIDELLI
Honda
1'40.605
1.337
0.020


24
10
Xavier SIMEON
Ducati
1'41.471
2.203
0.866


25
55
Hafizh SYAHRIN
Yamaha
1'42.074
2.806
0.603

</tbody>

so there is just a big white invisble table ? Do you guys use a dark background?

[Crasherfromwayback]

so there is just a big white invisble table ? Do you guys use a dark background?

Yes and yes.

[husaberg]

so there is just a big white invisble table ? Do you guys use a dark background?

There was until I changed the font that table now is visible on both light and dark screens.
Join the darkside.
Surprised you are not already there with a BMW and all.
Bottom left of page select option
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or the dark zone.

[BMWST?]

There was until I changed the font that table now is visible on both light and dark screens.
Join the darkside.
Surprised you are not already there with a BMW and all.
Bottom left of page select option
the white universe
or the dark zone.
i prefer the light universe.

[husaberg]

i prefer the light universe.

Listen to your father.
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[jellywrestler]

what time is this weekends race nz time please?

[Mental Trousers]

Join the darkside.

The darkside is for long haired gamer pussies who live with their mum.

[BMWST?]

what time is this weekends race nz time please?

if the moto gp site is up to date with nz time motogp is midnight.Moto 3 is at 9pm and moto 2 is 10 20pm

[Crasherfromwayback]

The darkside is for long haired gamer pussies who live with their mum.

Talking of pussies...who's the pussy that put me in the bin without the nuts/decency to tell me why? :Police:

[ellipsis]

The darkside is for long haired gamer pussies who live with their mum.


...then I'm a, born again, long haired, gamer, pussy and I've just found out...:woohoo: ...fucken cool...I needed a new label, it's far better than the, 'dangerous ginga cunt', I've had for a while...

...until a few minutes ago I was in the light...I'm gonna stay here and be a longhairedgamerpussy...

...Cheers:drinkup: to whoever directed me here...

[husaberg]

The darkside is for long haired gamer pussies who live with their mum.
https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/66123153.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-hyzvEQJqk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHI-gSEmlT0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIKY3byf58U

[Autech]

Olivera to Tech 3 confirmed.

Looking bad for Bradders

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[Dadpole]

It has looked grim for Bladders for a while now. WSBK is full of English/Irish so a seat and sponsorship for another Brit would be a big ask. Moto2 seats are not really in his plans so I imagine BSB will getting a call.

[russd7]

...then I'm a, born again, long haired, gamer, pussy and I've just found out...:woohoo: ...fucken cool...I needed a new label, it's far better than the, 'dangerous ginga cunt', I've had for a while...

...until a few minutes ago I was in the light...I'm gonna stay here and be a longhairedgamerpussy...

...Cheers:drinkup: to whoever directed me here...

didn't know there was a light side, just tried it, didn't like it, straight back to the dark

[Autech]

It has looked grim for Bladders for a while now. WSBK is full of English/Irish so a seat and sponsorship for another Brit would be a big ask. Moto2 seats are not really in his plans so I imagine BSB will getting a call.Especially as in FP3 hes behind Kallio and Pol...

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[pritch]

It has been confirmed Oliviera to Tech3 next year.

[Autech]

Beat ya to it :D pmsl

I think us 2 are the biggest news junkies on this thread though

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[roogazza]

It has looked grim for Bladders for a while now. WSBK is full of English/Irish so a seat and sponsorship for another Brit would be a big ask. Moto2 seats are not really in his plans so I imagine BSB will getting a call.

I'm betting he'll just fade away.
In WSB the front runners are too good for him and I can't see him farting about in England with that style of racing ? (TT, NW etc ).
Nah a gone coon I reckon ! <_<

[pritch]

Overnight Mat Oxley posted about Cal Crutchlow and the cojones needed to ride that bike to the max. Crutchlow is riding brilliantly and seemingly isn't really getting the credit he deserves hereabout. Pole with a lap record though- hard to argue with that.

There was an interview with someone from Zarco's team on French media which is being described as controversial. The interview apparently describes the process by which Zarco signed for KTM and details the alternatives and why each didn't happen. Zarco regards Rossi as blocking him; I'm sure he would have preferred Rossi to have retired, but that didn't happen so...

As the commentators said Yamaha should have done something about their edge grip problem by now. They suffer on a low grip track and at Jerez the bikes spend a lot of time on the edge of the tyre.

[Autech]

I think Zarco did the most impressive lap last night. Brilliant how he dictated to his team what bike he needed then got out and did the job.
CC riding well but can't help to feel that Dani in 100% fitness wouls have posted faster than him.

How good was Crafer too? Speaking to all the right people n asking the good questions. Love it.

DP
MM
JL
AI
JZ
AD

CC dnf.

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[carbonhed]

What a ballsy front row. Each for different reasons. Two top laps from Crutchlow. Pedro with his wrist and Zarco digging deep.

Good effort too from Lorenzo and the Suzuki's. Marquez is there, disappointed but close enough. Dovi is in ok shape.

Factory Yamaha's...... desperately need a rider that can develop the bike. Two years now circling the plughole.

Could be an awesome race. No idea who will win but imagine MM may have something to say about it.

[pritch]

Could be an awesome race. No idea who will win but imagine MM may have something to say about it.

The last four Jerez GPs have been won by the rider on pole. While I wouldn't mind that happening again this year, I don't think I'd be putting any money on it.

[carbonhed]

The last four Jerez GPs have been won by the rider on pole. While I wouldn't mind that happening again this year, I don't think I'd be putting any money on it.

:laugh: I'd love Cal to win but.... staying calm and upright is the trick.

[Autech]

[emoji23] I'd love Cal to win but.... staying calm and upright is the trick.He'll be too fast to settle for 3rd so will bin it trying to be fast. Or some bullshit like he said at COTA

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[husaberg]

As the commentators said Yamaha should have done something about their edge grip problem by now. They suffer on a low grip track and at Jerez the bikes spend a lot of time on the edge of the tyre.

From what I have seen Rossi has been complaining about lack of feel from the front end for a long time.
he has also complained of a lack of acceleration consistently. For the same period.


Factory Yamaha's...... desperately need a rider that can develop the bike. Two years now circling the plughole.
.

Problem is the two current factory rider are in disagreement which where the bikes problem is and which way it needs to be changed.

[Autech]

From what I have seen Rossi has been complaining about lack of feel from the front end for a long time.
he has also complained of a lack of acceleration consistently. For the same period.Got to wonder WTF has happened to them since JL left.
I've stopped reading any articles with Maverick in them about the bike as he is so up and down on what its doing and what he wants. One week its brilliant next week... Can't help wondering if hes doing the same for his team making them very confused as to where to direct their efforts?

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[husaberg]

Got to wonder WTF has happened to them since JL left.
I've stopped reading any articles with Maverick in them about the bike as he is so up and down on what its doing and what he wants. One week its brilliant next week... Can't help wondering if hes doing the same for his team making them very confused as to where to direct their efforts?

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Problem for the team is Maverick is getting more points and he is 16 years younger than Rossi.
He seem to lack the skills to asses what is the problem.
Yet Rossi knows how to develop a bike he has proven time and time again.
but his long time crew chief and go between to the factory and engineers for all of those years was Jerry Burgess and Jerrys gone.
Maybe that's the real problem Yamaha needs to address here.
AS for whats happened yo Yamaha since George left well I believe the Yamaha has stagnated and the Honda and Ducati have got much better.
The Honda is a rocketship and does everything well.

[carbonhed]

He'll be too fast to settle for 3rd so will bin it trying to be fast. Or some bullshit like he said at COTA

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Drugs may be the answer.

[carbonhed]

Problem for the team is Maverick is getting more points and he is 16 years younger than Rossi.
He seem to lack the skills to asses what is the problem.
Yet Rossi knows how to develop a bike he has proven time and time again.
but his long time crew chief and go between to the factory and engineers for all of those years was Jerry Burgess and Jerrys gone.
Maybe that's the real problem Yamaha needs to address here.
AS for whats happened yo Yamaha since George left well I believe the Yamaha has stagnated and the Honda and Ducati have got much better.
The Honda is a rocketship and does everything well.

The Honda is great this year. It's been a swine for at least the last couple. Check out Miller and Rabat.

The Yamaha hasn't stagnated since Lorenzo left it's gone backwards. Surely you have to start questioning the yarn that Rossi is a master of development and setup since his sojourn with Ducati and on up to the present day?

Yamaha has managed to back themselves into a corner and now they've lost Zarco. Time for a blowtorch and fresh thinking.

[BMWST?]

agree.I think that Rossi ISNT a great development rider.The yamaha had undergone a lot of revision BEFORE ross i left honda and went to yamaha.The ducati ecxperiment proves that rossi /burgess cant develop a bike ,and or cant ride around problem andor ducati wouldnt change it.One thing is sure and that is Zarco seems to be able to get more out a a bike than rossi or vinales.Look no further than the latest qualifying session

[husaberg]

The Honda is great this year. It's been a swine for at least the last couple. Check out Miller and Rabat.

The Yamaha hasn't stagnated since Lorenzo left it's gone backwards. Surely you have to start questioning the yarn that Rossi is a master of development and setup since his sojourn with Ducati and on up to the present day?

Yamaha has managed to back themselves into a corner and now they've lost Zarco. Time for a blowtorch and fresh thinking.

Correct a couple of years of poor results and not winning makes for a hard working revitalised HRC effort.
No one could have made that Ducati work as evidenced by how long it took to get it to work afterwards, it was only developed around one guy. Ducati have a scattergun approach much like Cagiva of old.
Its without doubt true that without Burgess, Rossi isn't so good at the detailed methodical development it needs. Nor is he getting any younger or hungrier.
They need to do as Rossi asks or get someone in with Maverick to sort out what he needs or better both.

[Autech]

The Honda is great this year. It's been a swine for at least the last couple. Check out Miller and Rabat.

The Yamaha hasn't stagnated since Lorenzo left it's gone backwards. Surely you have to start questioning the yarn that Rossi is a master of development and setup since his sojourn with Ducati and on up to the present day?

Yamaha has managed to back themselves into a corner and now they've lost Zarco. Time for a blowtorch and fresh thinking.Agree. The Honda is great if you know how to wrangle it. Its main disadvantage of exit drive has been cured so its the best bike on the grid, if you have factory support that is. Look how well Nakagami is doing compared to the other Honda rookies as he's rumoured to be getting extra support due to being Japanese.

I remeber when Rossi went to Ducati everyone was touting him as the best development rider, but the bike got no better from what I saw. That said I think Ducatis recent success has came in the form of a monobrowed Italian genius, if he was there during the Rossi years we may have been singing his praises.

Yamaha need to go back to basics I think. Start with what Zarco is riding and teach their riders to ride it like him/Lorenzo.

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[carbonhed]

Agree. The Honda is great if you know how to wrangle it. Its main disadvantage of exit drive has been cured so its the best bike on the grid, if you have factory support that is. Look how well Nakagami is doing compared to the other Honda rookies as he's rumoured to be getting extra support due to being Japanese.

I remeber when Rossi went to Ducati everyone was touting him as the best development rider, but the bike got no better from what I saw. That said I think Ducatis recent success has came in the form of a monobrowed Italian genius, if he was there during the Rossi years we may have been singing his praises.

Yamaha need to go back to basics I think. Start with what Zarco is riding and teach their riders to ride it like him/Lorenzo.

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The Italian monobrow certainly seems to know what it's doing. Great combination with Dovi. If he'd been there when Rossi arrived and they started winning races... it would have all been down to Rossi natch.

Morbidelli seems to be improving. Would be cool to get some of the rookies racing action.

What would you do in the Yamaha garage though? Presumably you need a senior rider to lead development? Vinales seems almost incoherent on what's going on.

[Dadpole]

I like the story of Lorenzo being the development rider/genius at Yamaha but when at Ducati he is a footnote and hinderance.
I see it taking time and a team working as a unit to produce a decent bike. Having a moving target (last year) with tyre construction changing can derail a season as we saw. And all the time the opposition is moving forward Ala Honda. Who would want to be a crew chief? :eek5:

[husaberg]

I like the story of Lorenzo being the development rider/genius at Yamaha but when at Ducati he is a footnote and hinderance.
I see it taking time and a team working as a unit to produce a decent bike. Having a moving target (last year) with tyre construction changing can derail a season as we saw. And all the time the opposition is moving forward Ala Honda. Who would want to be a crew chief? :eek5:
What people forget is that Prior to Rossi joining Ducati with Stoner only finished 4th that year stoner had also retired in a number of races, also engine mileage was set to 2 MGPS and spare bike allowance was reduced to one. they were already on a downhill slope.
Reliability was never Ducatis strong point nor was tuning well 250 style due to it inherent engine layout, which is what Lorenzo needs as did Rossi. Until ducati abandon the 90 degree v it will remain that way (that like abandoning Desmo it will never happen)
2010 was also the year they introduced the single tyre rule. Rossi was previously predominately a Michelin rider.

[Mental Trousers]

...


...

Well that's disappointing. All of 2 responses and neither were pissed off. The life really has gone out of this place :(

[pritch]

I believe the Yamaha has stagnated and the Honda and Ducati have got much better.

There were two major changes that affected Yamaha: tyres and electrics. Yamaha didn't adapt their chassis to the new tryes as quickly as the others. Maybe they still haven't? When the change came to the standard electrics, Honda and Ducati poached all the good Magneti Marelli techs and Yamaha missed the bus. Yamaha had to learn everything from scratch.

In that Burgess interview I referred to, he describes how when Rossi arrived at Yamaha from Honda, the existing Yamaha mechanics firmly believed that the Yamaha could not beat the Honda. Rossi arrived with his own team of mechanics who had no negative mental baggage. Burgess wondered if that perhaps that negative attitude has crept back into the Yamaha camp.

[Autech]

Money investment asside if you look at the two winningest (new word time) bikes last year and their structure, they both have 3 factory bikes on grid with the 3rd bike being occupied by a talented rider not afraid to do the donky work testing.
3 factory bikes. 3 datas to look at and assess how to fix a problem during a weekend.
For example if Dovi didn't have Petruxs data to look at as well as JLs he may have stuck with the non aero fairing this weekend.

That is why they are going backwards I think. Rossi says its white, MV says its black and the bike remains fucked.
They had an opportunity this year to give Zarco the same shit as the other boys but chose not to. Tin hat nutters say Rossi blocked it but who cares why, they just messed up their best way to advance the bike IMO, that and they lost Herve who has been with them a very long time and runs a great team.

This is their way forward IMO. And if they could wave a magic wand n put any rider on the grid on the 3rd bike I would choose Aleix Asparagus for the job. Shame they signed Mav already for a few years as poaching him would have been very clever.

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[pritch]

agree.I think that Rossi ISNT a great development rider.The yamaha had undergone a lot of revision BEFORE ross i left honda and went to yamaha.The ducati ecxperiment proves that rossi /burgess cant develop a bike ,and or cant ride around problem andor ducati wouldnt change it.

People keep coming up with that stuff about the Yamaha. I thought we were over that.

Burgess and Rossi met with the Yamaha engineers and changed bloody near everything that could be changed. Four valve heads instead of five. Big bang engine. Engine running backwards. Then, after testing, Burgess requested that the engine be raised an inch in the frame.

Gigi D described the problem at Ducati when he went there. The engineers would not listen, they regarded negative comments about "their" bike as insults and they tended to ignore the team mechanics. Gigi told the engineers at the factory that the guys in the racing team drive the effort, if the engineers felt they couldn't take direction from the team mechanics they should get another job.

Rossi's ability as a development rider has taken a hit, but we should at least be judging on the facts not on total fabrications.

[Dadpole]

Meanwhile, back in the jungle, has Lorenzo got his Mojo back? He qualified well but I fear the race will see him farting around in the back half of the field - again.

Will we see him on a Suzuki next year? I hope so.....

[Autech]

Meanwhile, back in the jungle, has Lorenzo got his Mojo back? He qualified well but I fear the race will see him farting around in the back half of the field - again.

Will we see him on a Suzuki next year? I hope so.....Nah 3rd or 4th for him tonight. He and DP love this circuit

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[husaberg]

In that Burgess interview I referred to, he describes how when Rossi arrived at Yamaha from Honda, the existing Yamaha mechanics firmly believed that the Yamaha could not beat the Honda. Rossi arrived with his own team of mechanics who had no negative mental baggage. Burgess wondered if that perhaps that negative attitude has crept back into the Yamaha camp.
Sorry I missed that I will go back through your posts.
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/184024-MotoGP-2018?p=1131096563#post1131096563

I'd be inclined to believe anything Jerry wrote especially considering his riders tended to win championships.

I found this here http://www.brm.co.nz/life-after-rossi/
JB ON ROSSI’S FIRST-UP WIN WITH YAMAHA:
“We (Rossi, JB and his team of technicians) came in with the confidence of winning. A lot of the European Yamaha technicians were in awe of Honda but we knew Honda inside out and also knew that in a lot of areas the Yamaha was actually better.”
“A lot of European MotoGP technicians consider racing is a job but to me and all the Aussies I know who work over there the motivation is winning.

Winning Above All Else
Burgess elaborates on another major difference that has developed between him and Rossi.
“Valentino loves the whole process of going racing and enjoys the riding almost as much as winning,” he says.

“My attitude has always been if you are not going to win stay home. During our time with Ducati I often felt we weren’t even in the same race as the top three.

okay this one might not correlate with recent events....


JB ON MARC MARQUEZ’S RAPID RISE:
“He’s raced through the junior ranks to earn experience and learned a lot from watching Valentino Rossi. Look at the overtaking carbon-copy move at Laguna Seca’s corkscrew. Valentino likes him and I think he’d be happy to hand over the mantle of popularity to him.”

[ellipsis]

...I'm just pensive...been around too long to make predictions...If Cal, who has been upping his anti and kind of hanging on to his bike longer, long enough to be 4th in the line at the moment, can rattle Marc by blowing the record and getting through turn 2 (?) consistently, where Marquez for the first time I've ever seen him, flustered, by a front end, corner thing, that he gave up time, may be weighing on his over competitive mind...then there's DP and Rins and other youngsters who are threatening the once named, aliens...seems common practice in the last few seasons for the acceleration on the track to be matched by the acceleration in new talent coming onto the track...who would have seen a rookie Malaysian guy coming along and making headway at the top end of the game in his first few rides...viva!...

[carbonhed]

Sorry I missed that I will go back through your posts.
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/184024-MotoGP-2018?p=1131096563#post1131096563

okay this one might not correlate with recent events....

:laugh: he's certainly hiding it well!

[BMWST?]

People keep coming up with that stuff about the Yamaha. I thought we were over that.

Burgess and Rossi met with the Yamaha engineers and changed bloody near everything that could be changed. Four valve heads instead of five. Big bang engine. Engine running backwards. Then, after testing, Burgess requested that the engine be raised an inch in the frame.

Gigi D described the problem at Ducati when he went there. The engineers would not listen, they regarded negative comments about "their" bike as insults and they tended to ignore the team mechanics. Gigi told the engineers at the factory that the guys in the racing team drive the effort, if the engineers felt they couldn't take direction from the team mechanics they should get another job.

Rossi's ability as a development rider has taken a hit, but we should at least be judging on the facts not on total fabrications.
easy there boy ,one of the options was that ducati wouldnt change it.I dont think the yamaha was a complete dog,they only had an off season to change it,and he won first up .There wasnt the same testing restrictions but......

[pritch]

The post containing the link to the Jerry Burgess interview is #831.



Update:

Because of the mention of lawyers I didn't acknowledge the source of that "intriguing" message. The original message has subsequently been deleted. Because a Google search for the factory name would have revealed the text of the message here, I've deleted my post as well. I have no wish to be responsible for lawyers descending on the journo that posted the story.

[husaberg]

Remember what i said about those Dukes not turning:msn-wink:
http://www.charlottemotorspeedway.com/images/10ss10TP1453_lg.jpg (http://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.charlottemotorspeedway.com%2F fans%2Fnews%2Fschool-bus-racing-monster-truck-rides-championship-battles-highlight-rounds-nine-ten-summer-shootout-series.html&psig=AOvVaw1vSAPB0_U8j_XxBEtTe4p6&ust=1525755307156825)

[roogazza]

Remember what i said about those Dukes not turning:msn-wink:
Lol, lots of yelling in the Doocati camp and Pedro's little body flying high !
#93 though,did the bizz,no problem.
#46 , couldn't capitalise .

#35 , was always betting/hoping and ....... yep !! :laugh:.

Stunning morning in Horowhenua,I'm off to push the button.Work hard fellow "armchair experts".

[Autech]

Time to start pointing fingers!

PMSL! :facepalm:

Poor Dani's luck continues.

My take on the incident - Dovi squeezed Lorenzo way the fuck out as he was struggling to get past him, Dani goes "thank fuck they've made a mistake cunts have been holding me up all race, that's a big arsed gap and ima smoke these clowns", Lorenzo goes "screw you Dovi ima square this bitch off and pop a phat wheelie past your Italian ass." BOOM!

Meanwhile Zarco goes "Holy fuck that's a Honda in the middle of the track, Ima go round it and get a free podium"

Iannone goes "Damn my GF is HAWT, ladadadaaaa, oh shit, that's right I'm a motogp racer, OH SHIT! I'm racing for a podium now better actually ride the bike properly else the boss'll be mad"

[carbonhed]

Well that was disappointing really. A cascade of small mistakes obliterates the podium battle. Cal once again trying for one place better than he has the chops for... he needs a mental skills coach... he should get Dovi's... or a brain transplant.

MM leads the championship by twelve points. If the bike hadn't stalled on the grid in Argentina you could add 25 points to that. That's the true state of his advantage.

Zarco once again dicking the factory team. Second in the championship.

I wonder if Vinales wishes he was back on the Suzuki? Iannone... meh. Rins... ffs.

Good ride again by Miller. When everybody fell off together the commentators thought Rossi might be on for a podium. I thought "fuck off. He'll be lucky to beat Miller". Well Miller ran out of tyre so he did indeed beat him but he never showed a wheel to the other guys. Those days are long gone.

Morbidelli fuck yeah.

Not a bad ride by Bautista.

On the plus side the factory Ducati looks promising. And Lorenzo was quick.

[Pound]

Cal is always making excuses whenever he screws up......

https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/crutchlow-marquez-would-have-struggled-more-with-my-bike-1034360/

Why couldn't he ride like he did in Q2??

[Luckylegs]

I hated mm with a vengeance during recent years run ins with rossi, as i really wanted to see vale get that one more championship however.....

You cant not be a fan of freak and awesome. Im converted and may he continue his run towards wiping the floor with rossi and his records!!!!!!!

Oh and if the maniac can do enough to keep a half decent ride somewhere then im a happy little motogp fan.......

Oh and while i remember... fuck you A.Canet

[Pound]

I hated mm with a vengeance during recent years run ins with rossi, as i really wanted to see vale get that one more championship however.....

You cant not be a fan of freak and awesome. Im converted and may he continue his run towards wiping the floor with rossi and his records!!!!!!!

Indeed, when I first started watching Markey Marc, I could not stand his cheesy ass grinning face, and for a long time wanted Rossi to beat his ass down....

Now though, I have huge respect for the guy.......... But I still want Rossi to beat his B**** ass...... :laugh:

[Autech]

Marquez was fucking clever last night, that move on Dani showed just how confident he is in the front end of that Honda to biff it in like that, brilliant.
He was worried about Dani's pace so made it happen quick and fast while Dani was trying to figure a way around the mobile chicane.
From there he was the first and only guy to get through on JL, he identified the only spot JL was vulnerable and made the move, after that JL was covering it off so well that neither Dovi nor Dani stood a chance.

How good is Crafar now? In particular his comments about the Ducati boys debrief, apparently for JL they modified his power delivery and boy did it show, he was pulling away from Dovi where it mattered and hammering both Honda's. His braking was bloody good too considering the soft front tyre. I would be willing to bet that if they hadn't come unglued that would have kept going on due to JL's brilliant riding. Top notch just a shame it ended in disaster.

Dovi has come out blaming Dani and JL, but I think it must be said he squeezed the fuck out of JL in the braking zone by running in wide at him (as they all do but on your team mate is a bit rude) so I'd proportion a little blame on him too. He certainly didn't look very clinical last night, being blocked hard out by JL must have been frustrating, but that's why it's "racing" not "make way for the fastest rider".

[pritch]

Lots of chatter on social media. Initially heaps of oprobrium for Race Direction for:
A) not penalising Canet and
B) not penalising whichever of the Pedro, Lorenzo, Dovi, trio that particular individual didn't like.

Canet was eventually penalised, he will start from the back of the grid at Le mans.

Pedrosa whinged that he went to see Mike Webb but Webb disespected him by refusing to talk to him. At the time Webb was watching the Red Bull Rookies race which follows the GP, as is normal, so was not available to chat. Later Webb did give an explanation of the options available to Race Direction over the incident and the rationale for not penalising anybody. Pedro should be grateful 'cause he was in the firing line if penalties were to be handed out.

Rossi has fired a public shot at Yamaha over the slow reaction to their problems. Somebody asked if Rossi expected Yamaha to kidnap a Magnetti Marelli engineer. David Emmett replied to the effect that is probably exactly what Rossi does want.

Action packed racing, still I do feel sorry for the half dozen or so podium contenders who were wiped out through no fault of their own.

[Autech]

Action packed racing, still I do feel sorry for the half dozen or so podium contenders who were wiped out through no fault of their own.

Including Crutchlow, if only he had a carbon fibre swing arm he'd not have lost the front! :facepalm

Having watched the replay again a few times there's no way Dani would have known that JL was coming back across, if you look at the link below his head is on the other side of the bike and the two Duc's are miles to the side for a good few seconds before JL cuts back across. JL even looks like he over did it and was cutting across even more than he needed to to spit it down the straight so would have had to readjust his line or run on to the inside grass. Horrible to watch.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6iz519

[Mental Trousers]

The ducati ecxperiment proves that rossi /burgess cant develop a bike ,and or cant ride around problem andor ducati wouldnt change it.

The Ducati experiment proved when the structure behind the scenes is wrong the bike never gets sorted. It took Gigi Dillignia getting in there and completely rearranging things behind the scenes before they could make any progress.

[husaberg]

Lol, lots of yelling in the Doocati camp and Pedro's little body flying high !
#93 though,did the bizz,no problem.
#46 , couldn't capitalise .

#35 , was always betting/hoping and ....... yep !! :laugh:.

Stunning morning in Horowhenua,I'm off to push the button.Work hard fellow "armchair experts".




Dovi has come out blaming Dani and JL, but I think it must be said he squeezed the fuck out of JL in the braking zone by running in wide at him (as they all do but on your team mate is a bit rude) so I'd proportion a little blame on him too. He certainly didn't look very clinical last night, being blocked hard out by JL must have been frustrating, but that's why it's "racing" not "make way for the fastest rider".

I had to laugh when I seen the Dovi comments
He claimed Danny was going too fast, yet Danny was the only one on the proper line ie The actual racing line, where as Dovi was miles off line before he and George cut across the track in front in Dani.
I don't like Pedro but that was a tough break.

[carbonhed]

I had to laugh when I seen the Dovi comments
He claimed Danny was going to fast, yet Danny was the only one on the proper line ie The actual racing line where as Dovi was miles off line before he and George cut across the track in front in Dani.
I don't like Pedro but that was a tough break.

Yeah, I thought Dovi was a little over the top portioning out blame and advice to the other guys. Pedro's got three world titles, Lorenzo five and Dovi one. They're not noobs. You had a good year in 2017 but you're nobody's daddy.

Canet looks like a bit of a berk. "Calamity Canet" the commentators called him :laugh:

[Luckylegs]

Later Webb did give an explanation of the options available to Race Direction over the incident and the rationale for not penalising anybody. Pedro should be grateful 'cause he was in the firing line if penalties were to be handed out.

Ah wot - Pedrosa penalised????? - How on earth (not the flat one) is did that thought cross anyone's mind, even for the briefest of moneto's. Did I watch the wrong race?

Oh, and Fuck A.Canet

[husaberg]

Yeah, I thought Dovi was a little over the top portioning out blame and advice to the other guys. Pedro's got three world titles, Lorenzo five and Dovi one. They're not noobs. You had a good year in 2017 but you're nobody's daddy.

Canet looks like a bit of a berk. "Calamity Canet" the commentators called him :laugh:

Canet, His sister Amanda D was pretty hot in the 90's....

[Dadpole]

Watched all 3.

Jumped around the room and shouted during Moto3.
Has a coffee and a relax during Moto2.
Sat there shaking my head during MotoGP

Next race please....

[carbonhed]

It's very impressive in Moto3 when somebody screws up and whole swathes of people go down like they've been machinegunned. Going into the corner you've got a train of twenty and coming out a breakaway group of six.

[husaberg]

https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3179/3004410579_79aff49756.jpg (https://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwj017mvoPPaAhUCjpQKHeLdC6UQjRx6BAgBEAU&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fhalfby te%2F3004410579&psig=AOvVaw12x3Fhojof0NXeZ0sQrcji&ust=1525770517803130)
the two Ducati guys clearly outbreaked each other and were way off line and George had to avoid Dovi by dived in andin doing so hit pedro, who was the only one on the racing line.

Here is the video from all angles of Dani getting rammed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5NRVi6OoX8

[pritch]

Ah wot - Pedrosa penalised????? - How on earth (not the flat one) is did that thought cross anyone's mind, even for the briefest of moneto's. Did I watch the wrong race?



Mike Webb discussed it from a number of points of view - all unofficial. IIRC the gist was that Lorenzo took "an unusual line", when he came back to the apex though he was slightly ahead of Pedro who had seen a gap and gone for it. Everybody agrees Pedro could not have seen Lorenzo, but being slightly behind it was Pedro who had to give way. It is the responsibility of the overtaking rider to ensure the manoeuvre is safe.

But hey, it might be different on Mars?

[Luckylegs]

Mike Webb discussed it from a number of points of view - all unofficial. IIRC the gist was that Lorenzo took "an unusual line", when he came back to the apex though he was slightly ahead of Pedro who had seen a gap and gone for it. Everybody agrees Pedro could not have seen Lorenzo, but being slightly behind it was Pedro who had to give way. It is the responsibility of the overtaking rider to ensure the manoeuvre is safe.

But hey, it might be different on Mars?

Fuck yeh - i love it here on the red planet! - its so good ill happily even suggest that to my eye, and that of my superior pausing skills, that george was actually behind pedro. In fact, if he had continued to go to the apex he would have cut the honda in half. Looked like it was only his half arse flick back just before impact that changed how it looked.

Meh, i guess you see what you want to see. Certainly the boys with the toys and trained eyes prob know best though there must be one or two out there (his mum excluded) who think george was wronged

Meh, there also rans at the moment behind mm, so.....

[pritch]

Meh, i guess you see what you want to see.

There are several camera views but one clearly shows the orange Honda wheel almost totally clear at the rear at the time of impact. Also note the order as they approach the corner. Try watching with both eyes open?

Pedro was pissed off as he probably felt the most pain, he was pissed off again when Webb wasn’t available at his convenience. The whole mess was treated as a racing incident so there were no penalties. In that regard at least he was just a little bit lucky.

[Luckylegs]

There are several camera views but one clearly shows the orange Honda wheel almost totally clear at the rear at the time of impact. Also note the order as they approach the corner. Try watching with both eyes open?

Pedro was pissed off as he probably felt the most pain, he was pissed off again when Webb wasn’t available at his convenience. The whole mess was treated as a racing incident so there were no penalties. In that regard at least he was just a little bit lucky.

Agree to disagree then

[BMWST?]

The Ducati experiment proved when the structure behind the scenes is wrong the bike never gets sorted. It took Gigi Dillignia getting in there and completely rearranging things behind the scenes before they could make any progress.
thats what I said....or ducati wouldnt change it

[Mental Trousers]

The ducati ecxperiment proves that rossi /burgess cant develop a bike ,and or cant ride around problem andor ducati wouldnt change it

The full sentence. The first part is false because Ducati had their head up their arse (third part is true). He definitely couldn't figure out how to ride around the problem.

[Autech]

Pedro was pissed off as he probably felt the most pain, he was pissed off again when Webb wasn’t available at his convenience. The whole mess was treated as a racing incident so there were no penalties. In that regard at least he was just a little bit lucky.

From what I read Dani wanted to know how 3 or 4 similar incidents got treated differently.
JZ vs DP
MM vs AE
MM vs VR
DP vs JL

Zarco up the inside of Dani, Dani lifts up the bike and crashes. Racing incident. Now if Dani had held his line and they had both or just he gone down, IE like Rossi did, is that still a racing incident?

Dani up the inside of JL, JL doesn't lift the bike. They both crash. Racing incident.

MM up the inside of Rossi, Rossi hold his line, crashes, penalty.

This is actually what I think DP is getting at, he can't work out from his point of view how the incidents are being treated differently. Sounds like Mike Webbs crew should have told Dani to come back later also as it seems Dani wanted to talk to the head honcho not the goons.

No way in hell would Dani deserve a penalty out of the 3 though, JL cut back like a crazy man without any regard for how mad his line was.
Dovi started it by being a n00b though and trying to overtake one of the best riders on the grid who was riding like only Lorenzo could. Dovi bro, you're the #2 rider remember :D

[merv]

Clearly Race Direction favours Rossi, treats Marquez like a criminal and treats Pedrosa like he doesn't exist. The scripts are written by WWE for Dorna.

[pritch]

Sounds like Mike Webbs crew should have told Dani to come back later also as it seems Dani wanted to talk to the head honcho not the goons.


The situation was reported, but this is from memory so I may have the terminology slightly wrong. Apparently when Mike Webb was informed Pedro wanted to see him, he asked if it was an official protest. He was informed that it was not an official protest, so he sent the stewards while he remained on the job. It would seen that what followed could have been handled better, but there are inherent difficulties working with people, some of whom have English as a second language.

Several discussions of the race incident have been posted on the 'Net by ex-riders and others with a claim to expertise, illustrated by video, some frame by frame. As soon as they post them though Dorna get the clips taken down. Sometimes Dorna are too tough. There is a high level of interest in their event and they are working dilligently to shut that interest down.


Testing is over, PR speak abounds, so we await LeMans in a coupla weeks.

[Autech]

There are several discussions of the incident by ex-riders and others with a claim to expertise, all illustrated by video, some even frame by frame. As soon as they post them though Dorna get the clips taken down. Sometimes Dorna are too tough. There is a high level of interest in their event and they are working dilligently to shut discussion down.

Testing is over so we await LeMans in a coupla weeks.

I agree that it's a racing incident, in particular as the riders involved are known to not be reckless as they're too old and wise for that shit.

On to the testing and one of the most interesting things from the race on the weekend.

KTM - New engine, apparently it's got the counter rotating doohicky and Pol was able to be 1 sec a lap faster than the day before in similar conditions.
That's a huge improvement and the fact that Kalio finished ahead of the other boys bodes well. I did notice when they were on track together that Kallio was holding a tighter line than Pol and Bradley. Looking good for KTM if they are able to still make big steps, especially at a circuit like Jerez where the time is all in the corners it should translate to speed at other tracks.

[eelracing]

Sanity has prevailed.
Dovi ran Jorge wide. Jorge dived back on line and clearly had no idea Dani was there until to late. Dani saw a big fat clear apex ahead and committed to it.
Its a racing incident, unfortunately Dani once again wrong place wrong time. How sad never mind.

[EJK]

Sanity has prevailed.
Dovi ran Jorge wide. Jorge dived back on line and clearly had no idea Dani was there until to late. Dani saw a big fat clear apex ahead and committed to it.
Its a racing incident, unfortunately Dani once again wrong place wrong time. How sad never mind.

This.

Any other claims are excuses and blame.

[Mental Trousers]

Definitely a racing incident. Were I in a similar position to any of those 3 in a race I would've done exactly what they did.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Clearly Race Direction favours Rossi, treats Marquez like a criminal and treats Pedrosa like he doesn't exist. The scripts are written by WWE for Dorna.

LOLZ I think that's possibly a fair call.

[Dadpole]

It is all part of a plan to set a new altitude record for a Spanish midget.

[HenryDorsetCase]

It is all part of a plan to set a new altitude record for a Spanish midget.

Poor old Dani - I'd love to see him win one - he is in danger of being the next Randy Mamola... but with a bit less personality.

[husaberg]

Poor old Dani - I'd love to see him win one - he is in danger of being the next Randy Mamola... but with a bit less personality.
Randy was always a showman but used to be on the receiving end of a lot fat jokes as well.;)

[husaberg]

Definitely a racing incident. Were I in a similar position to any of those 3 in a race I would've done exactly what they did.
I agree but Dovi was the rider who was making an well defined effort to baulk another competitor,both he and George ended up miles offline and over cooked, Then Dovi instead of taking some responsabilty then tried to blame everyone elso for what occured, when it was actually a direct result of this initial move, Thats the bit i found to be silly on Dovis part, the rest of it while being regretable was nothing really malicious. It was just lucky Dani never busted a collarbone or similar.

[Mental Trousers]

I agree but Dovi was the rider who was making an well defined effort to baulk another competitor,both he and George ended up miles offline and over cooked

It's a block-pass but Dovi didn't get it done in time to make the apex and ran way wide. Jorge couldn't cut behind him until very late.

If that was a 2 bike group or Dani was closer/further back there would've been no problem. Just unfortunate circumstances.

[Autech]

. It was just lucky Dani never busted a collarbone or similar.

He busted a phat highside though, guy sure knows how to crash and make it MASSIVE. There's a photo on the motogp twitter where the freeze the moment Dani is up in the air, I've just screen shot it and posted it below. Superman without a cape springs to mind.

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[WALRUS]

And just as I start to think that modern electronics have killed the high-side, Dani strides into the room!

Reminds me of Frankie Chili back in WSBK (in yonder past). He had a knack for crashing like anybody else but making it look like a proper hard stack!

Also, my brother just shared this on FaceBrick.. Got a chuckle :P

https://www.motorcyclealliance.com.au/youre-a-dickhead-george-jerez-motogp-report-with-tug-mcclutchin/

He seems to be really good at making people not like him much :/

[husaberg]

It's a block-pass but Dovi didn't get it done in time to make the apex and ran way wide. Jorge couldn't cut behind him until very late.

If that was a 2 bike group or Dani was closer/further back there would've been no problem. Just unfortunate circumstances.
I am not disagreeing with what you are saying, I totally disagree with what Dovi said.


That led to collision between the two, with Lorenzo's out-of-control bike also hitting Dovizioso.
Dovizioso reckons Pedrosa made "the biggest mistake" as he was the one with a view of the two riders ahead.
"I think the biggest mistake comes from Dani, because he was behind us," said Dovizioso.
"He entered a bit faster than his normal way. If you enter faster than normal and somebody is in front of you, because we were in front of Dani, we decide the line.
"But Dani is behind, and he is able to manage the situation and he just cut inside, faster than every lap.
"And created a crash. For sure he did a mistake."
However, Pedrosa said he did not take the corner faster than usual, and the speed difference came from the Ducati riders slowing down too much because they went wide.
He said: "No, I was not faster, otherwise I couldn't keep my line.
"I did my normal line. They went slower because they were outside."
Dovizioso added that Lorenzo was also at fault: "But in another side Jorge didn't check, didn't care about the rider behind him.
"And he cut a little bit too fast the line to try to exit as fast as he can.
"It's a mix of a mistake [between Pedrosa and Lorenzo]. For sure both Dani and Jorge did a mistake."



He busted a phat highside though, guy sure knows how to crash and make it MASSIVE. There's a photo on the motogp twitter where the freeze the moment Dani is up in the air, I've just screen shot it and posted it below. Superman without a cape springs to mind.

He did well to walk away it could have ended very different, I am no fan of Pedro but no one wants to see somewhat getting shunted like that.

[george formby]

I reckon Pedrosa would win if Dorna held a competition to "name that circuit" by taste. He's tough as old boots but lady luck don't like him.

Dovi must have been really fed up chewing Lorenzo's gusset as MM disappeared ahead. Quite a do or die attempt at passing, not really his style, had a whiff of frustration about it.

I would not like to be in Gigi's shoes, he has a contender in the shadow of an also ran at the moment.

Speaking of such things.. I bet their are some interesting conversations in Yamaha land about the how and why of the championship points standing. Whodda thunk it?

Suzuki, yeah. The bike looks great getting into the mix and Rins will learn. Iannone has a career on the line.

[roogazza]

https://streamable.com/dxykb

Yep, Simon getting better, ahhhhhhh !

Poor bastards getting a bit of ribbing.

[Autech]

Just found this on the faceballs:

Race direction find cause of 3 bike crash in Jerez.

After a thorough investigation it has come to light that Pedrosa inadvertently rode Marc Marquez’ bike - which had the wrong number decals stuck on it.

Dani said “I couldn’t control it, it just kept aiming for other riders, all race long. I did my best but in the end the bike got its way, its fucking mental.”

Japanese HRC sticker putter onner Fo Kitup commented “I am so sorry for make Jorge and Dovi fall off. I put on 26 instead of 93 and tiny Spanish child make a big a crash into fast as fuck red bikes.”

Marquez, who was riding the unfamiliar bike of his team mate, uncharacteristically didn’t make contact with any other riders during the race. He is thought to be extremely upset.

Sent from my SM-A730F using Tapatalk

[jasonu]

And just as I start to think that modern electronics have killed the high-side, Dani strides into the room!

Reminds me of Frankie Chili back in WSBK (in yonder past). He had a knack for crashing like anybody else but making it look like a proper hard stack!

Also, my brother just shared this on FaceBrick.. Got a chuckle :P

https://www.motorcyclealliance.com.au/youre-a-dickhead-george-jerez-motogp-report-with-tug-mcclutchin/

He seems to be really good at making people not like him much :/

Hahaha classic!!!
Especially this bit
'Same goes for the Kiwi one that sounds like he has brain damage'.
I was already thinking this Simon character was a bit crap but when my mate told me it is Simon Crafar..... embarrassing at best.

[Mental Trousers]

I am not disagreeing with what you are saying, I totally disagree with what Dovi said.

Yeah not a stellar moment for Dovi. His failed pass attempt kicked it off, no question.

But other than what Dovi said the aftermath has been surprisingly calm. Dani had a run in with the Stewards when he stormed off to Race Control, but war didn't break out.

[Autech]

All in all its bad news for Dani IF he wants to stay at Honda. From press releases it seems his old mate that he fired Puig wants him gone and has given him 5 rounds to show why not, he's been on the ground in 2 of them, injured in 1 and had a shit tyre in the other... Good way to sum up Dani's career if he loses the seat because of BAD LUCK. Just like luck cost him a few titles.

Question is whether he wants to stay at Honda anymore?

[Dadpole]

If Dani goes from Honda, I really hope he gets a spot in another team so we an see what he can really do.

[pritch]

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opinion/motogp/zarco-compl-tement-gaga

[Mental Trousers]

If Dani goes from Honda, I really hope he gets a spot in another team so we an see what he can really do.

He should really go and knock on Suzuki's door. Once Puig was put in charge it was inevitable that Dani would be moved on.


https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opinion/motogp/zarco-compl-tement-gaga

I reckon it's an excellent move. As they say, KTM win at whatever they put their minds to and the amount of resources and effort they're throwing at MotoGP you'd be silly to believe they're not going to win a dry race sometime in the next couple of years.

[husaberg]

If Dani goes from Honda, I really hope he gets a spot in another team so we an see what he can really do.


He should really go and knock on Suzuki's door. Once Puig was put in charge it was inevitable that Dani would be moved on.

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Really? The way i see it he has been with the top MGP team his whole career thus far and has been generally outshone by his teammates the whole time who ever that may be.
I can’t see what he can achieve going to Suzuki other than getting beaten by a new team member?

The irony of Puig is he was also a perenial underachiver who most consider he never really deserved his works ride in the first place either. Generally it was speculated at the time that he got it only because he brought a big wedge of Spanish sponsorship money.

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[Autech]

Off the Wikipedia...

Throughout his World Championship career Pedrosa has been plagued by injuries that has often prevented him from clean seasons that would allow a shot at the title with a high injury per crash ratio compared to other top riders.

2003 Australian motorcycle Grand Prix (125cc) Double fracture in the talus bone of the left foot and a fracture of the right ankle.
2005 Japanese motorcycle Grand Prix (250cc) Fracture of the left humeral head that affected the supraspinal tendon.
2006 Malaysian motorcycle Grand Prix (MotoGP) Small fracture of the small left toe and loss of cutaneous matter on the right knee. 5 stitches in that vertical cut.
2007 Turkish motorcycle Grand Prix (MotoGP) Thoracic trauma, blow to the left gluteus and neck trauma.
2007 Japanese motorcycle Grand Prix (MotoGP) Post-traumatic arthritis with inflammation to the small toe of the left foot.
2008 Sepang test (MotoGP) Fracture of the second metacarpal in the right hand, with three diaphyseal fragments, which are the bones that are found in the middle part of the metacarpus.
2008 German motorcycle Grand Prix (MotoGP) General inflammation of the left hand with hematomas in the veins of the extensor tendons. Displaced fracture of the distal phalanx of the left index finger. A sprain of the interphalangeal articulation next to the left middle finger. Fracture of the large bone of the left wrist. Sprain of the lateral external ligament of the right ankle.
2008 Australian motorcycle Grand Prix (MotoGP) Capsular hematoma on the left knee that had to be treated two months after.
2009 Qatar test (MotoGP) Fracture of the radius of the left arm and contusion on the left knee that required a skin graft, because the scar re-opened from an operation before Christmas.
2009 Italian motorcycle Grand Prix (MotoGP) Incomplete fracture of the greater trochanter of the right femur. A fracture without displacement, an injury that requires absolute rest and treatment with painkillers.[48]
2009 December (MotoGP) Underwent an operation to remove a screw from his left wrist.[49]
2010 Japanese motorcycle Grand Prix (MotoGP) Four-fragment chip fracture of the left collarbone and a Grade 1 ankle sprain.[50]
2011 French motorcycle Grand Prix (MotoGP) Fractured right collarbone.[51]
2013 German motorcycle Grand Prix (MotoGP) Small fracture of left collarbone.[52]
2015 Qatar motorcycle Grand Prix (MotoGP) Arm pump of right hand.[37]
2016 Japanese motorcycle Grand Prix (MotoGP) Fracture of right collarbone consisting of four fragments, requiring surgery (the 14th major surgery of his career [46]). Subcapital fracture of the right fibula with no displacement, requiring only immobilization.[44] Fracture to the fourth metatarsal of the left foot.[45]
2018 Argentine motorcycle Grand Prix (MotoGP) Fracture of the right wrist, requiring surgery to repair.[53]

I'd imagine there is a few there missing but you get the picture. Guy must be full of metal, lots of riders would have retired after all that shit but he keeps going cause he's hungry for that title, jumping bikes may very well bring this finally as he was almost unstoppable on the 250 so if he ever gets a bike that he can ride to his full ability, who knows what will happen?

Bring it on I say, bit like Zarco decided not to try and beat MM on the MM's bike, Dani needs to do the same as I don't ever see him being able to ride that bike that last 5 or 10% like MM can.

[carbonhed]

As they say, KTM win at whatever they put their minds too and the amount of resources and effort they're throwing at MotoGP you'd be silly to believe they're not going to win a dry sometime in the next couple of years.

$50 says you're wrong. '18 '19.

Even if they have the bike they've got to beat MM DP AD MV VR JL AI.

I'd love to be wrong. It would be great if they could do it.

[BMWST?]

$50 says you're wrong. '18 '19.

Even if they have the bike they've got to beat MM DP AD MV VR JL AI.

I'd love to be wrong. It would be great if they could do it.
the only way ktm will win a race in the next couple of years is with MM on it in sketchy conditions Honda and Yamaha have nearly 100 yrs experience at this level

[george formby]

$50 says you're wrong. '18 '19.

Even if they have the bike they've got to beat MM DP AD MV VR JL AI.

I'd love to be wrong. It would be great if they could do it.

19, 20? ...:innocent:

[carbonhed]

19, 20? ...:innocent:

:laugh: Nice try, but sorry, my crystal balls don't see that far. Dangly little fuckers.

[husaberg]

Off the Wikipedia...

Throughout his World Championship career Pedrosa has been plagued by injuries that has often prevented him from clean seasons that would allow a shot at the title with a high injury per crash ratio compared to other top riders.

2003 Australian motorcycle Grand Prix (125cc) Double fracture in the talus bone of the left foot and a fracture of the right ankle.
2005 Japanese motorcycle Grand Prix (250cc) Fracture of the left humeral head that affected the supraspinal tendon.
2006 Malaysian motorcycle Grand Prix (MotoGP) Small fracture of the small left toe and loss of cutaneous matter on the right knee. 5 stitches in that vertical cut.
2007 Turkish motorcycle Grand Prix (MotoGP) Thoracic trauma, blow to the left gluteus and neck trauma.
2007 Japanese motorcycle Grand Prix (MotoGP) Post-traumatic arthritis with inflammation to the small toe of the left foot.
2008 Sepang test (MotoGP) Fracture of the second metacarpal in the right hand, with three diaphyseal fragments, which are the bones that are found in the middle part of the metacarpus.
2008 German motorcycle Grand Prix (MotoGP) General inflammation of the left hand with hematomas in the veins of the extensor tendons. Displaced fracture of the distal phalanx of the left index finger. A sprain of the interphalangeal articulation next to the left middle finger. Fracture of the large bone of the left wrist. Sprain of the lateral external ligament of the right ankle.
2008 Australian motorcycle Grand Prix (MotoGP) Capsular hematoma on the left knee that had to be treated two months after.
2009 Qatar test (MotoGP) Fracture of the radius of the left arm and contusion on the left knee that required a skin graft, because the scar re-opened from an operation before Christmas.
2009 Italian motorcycle Grand Prix (MotoGP) Incomplete fracture of the greater trochanter of the right femur. A fracture without displacement, an injury that requires absolute rest and treatment with painkillers.[48]
2009 December (MotoGP) Underwent an operation to remove a screw from his left wrist.[49]
2010 Japanese motorcycle Grand Prix (MotoGP) Four-fragment chip fracture of the left collarbone and a Grade 1 ankle sprain.[50]
2011 French motorcycle Grand Prix (MotoGP) Fractured right collarbone.[51]
2013 German motorcycle Grand Prix (MotoGP) Small fracture of left collarbone.[52]
2015 Qatar motorcycle Grand Prix (MotoGP) Arm pump of right hand.[37]
2016 Japanese motorcycle Grand Prix (MotoGP) Fracture of right collarbone consisting of four fragments, requiring surgery (the 14th major surgery of his career [46]). Subcapital fracture of the right fibula with no displacement, requiring only immobilization.[44] Fracture to the fourth metatarsal of the left foot.[45]
2018 Argentine motorcycle Grand Prix (MotoGP) Fracture of the right wrist, requiring surgery to repair.[53]

I'd imagine there is a few there missing but you get the picture. Guy must be full of metal, lots of riders would have retired after all that shit but he keeps going cause he's hungry for that title, jumping bikes may very well bring this finally as he was almost unstoppable on the 250 so if he ever gets a bike that he can ride to his full ability, who knows what will happen?

Bring it on I say, bit like Zarco decided not to try and beat MM on the MM's bike, Dani needs to do the same as I don't ever see him being able to ride that bike that last 5 or 10% like MM can.
336647Kevin still won 500gp title he had far more injuries than are on this list as well.

[Luckylegs]

336647Kevin still won 500gp title he had far more injuries than are on this list as well.

Yeh but dani would probably win one too if marquez was recovering from a serious injury which almost cost him his leg and dovi suffered a career ending injury.

[pritch]

Ironic if Puig gets rid of Pedro because when the latter arrived at Repsol Puig sold Honda on the story that Pedro could walk on water. Later they built the bike around Pedro at the expense of their then reigning world champ Hayden. It was all quite ugly.

Puig has long sold himself as a talent spotter. He used to have four young riders, with a block of four numbers, under his wing:24 Elias, 26 Pedrosa, and 27 Stoner . Dunno who 25 was. Anybody?

[husaberg]

Yeh but dani would probably win one too if marquez was recovering from a serious injury which almost cost him his leg and dovi suffered a career ending injury.

True but then Doohan would have had three more titles at least if he hadn't have crashed at Assen.
Plus Rainey wouldn't have crashed if he hadn't have had to push it beyond the limits if Yamaha had have built him a competitive bike either.
Kevin would have won more titles if he hadn't have rode around the Suzukis problems and if he had have been able to settle for 2nd or third place rather than risk a crash and DNF just like Eddie did.
Fact is despite having the best bike most of the time Dani was riding beyond is level of his skill too often when he crashed and thus he has no open titles.

[husaberg]

Ironic if Puig gets rid of Pedro because when the latter arrived at Repsol Puig sold Honda on the story that Pedro could walk on water. Later they built the bike around Pedro at the expense of their then reigning world champ Hayden. It was all quite ugly.

Puig has long sold himself as a talent spotter. He used to have four young riders, with a block of four numbers, under his wing:24 Elias, 26 Pedrosa, and 27 Stoner . Dunno who 25 was. Anybody?

Stefan Bradl?

[Autech]

Going on that logic, if Simomcelli hadn't taken Pedrosa out in 2011?
If Barbera hadn't taken him out in 2012?
If MM hadn't clipped him in 2013 cutting that sensor?
If they kept the soft carcus tyre last year?

Or this year:
If he didn't get a fucked tyre at Qatar
If Zarco hadn't taken him out in Argentina? We could have seen a totally different Pedrosa at COTA and Jerez (not that he was slow just not as dominant as last year). Now he's 50 points down through arguably no fault of his owm while he's been showing pace to rival MM at every track.

Takes both skill and luck to win a championship, especially in the current grid of aliens.

We all see what we want to see I guess, I see a rider with guts and mad skills fighting an uphill battle due to his size, but doing a good job despite it.

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[husaberg]

Going on that logic, if Simomcelli hadn't taken Pedrosa out in 2011?
If Barbera hadn't taken him out in 2012?
If MM hadn't clipped him in 2013 cutting that sensor?
If they kept the soft carcus tyre last year?

Or this year:
If he didn't get a fucked tyre at Qatar
If Zarco hadn't taken him out in Argentina? We could have seen a totally different Pedrosa at COTA and Jerez (not that he was slow just not as dominant as last year). Now he's 50 points down through arguably no fault of his owm while he's been showing pace to rival MM at every track.

Takes both skill and luck to win a championship, especially in the current grid of aliens.

We all see what we want to see I guess, I see a rider with guts and mad skills fighting an uphill battle due to his size, but doing a good job despite it.

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I wasn't being logical I was being sarcastic:msn-wink:
IMO It takes far more skill than luck and far more hard work than talent to win.
But hard working talented people tend to be "lucky" when it comes to wining world Championships.
Jerry Burgess philosophy was to work harder to build a bike that was capable of wining so the rider could complete a whole race and championship by not having to risk riding at 100% and end up hurt himself.

[eelracing]

Puig has long sold himself as a talent spotter. He used to have four young riders, with a block of four numbers, under his wing:24 Elias, 26 Pedrosa, and 27 Stoner . Dunno who 25 was. Anybody?

Telefonica junior team.Initially Joan Olive, Elias and Pedrosa. Stoner came later.

[eelracing]

We all see what we want to see I guess, I see a rider with guts and mad skills fighting an uphill battle due to his size, but doing a good job despite it.

Good rider... yes they all are.
His size was a massive advantage on 125's and 250's.
On the big bikes he could holeshot like a motherfucker and lack of weight shud give him an advantage on the picks (surely a must now that electronics control everything else) .Yet he's been outclassed by all his team mates on the most successful bike in the four stroke era.

On any other bike he'd be an also ran.

[eelracing]

Also, my brother just shared this on FaceBrick.. Got a chuckle :P

https://www.motorcyclealliance.com.au/youre-a-dickhead-george-jerez-motogp-report-with-tug-mcclutchin//

Very interesting question posed at the end there in regards to imagining it was Marquez who was pushed wide by Dovi before diving back on the apex only to take out Rossi... Imagine the shit storm then?

Or vise-versa, could the season handle it?
Would we want to see it??
:devil2:

[jasonu]

If Dani goes from Honda, I really hope he gets a spot in another team so we an see what he can really do.

But he already rides the best bike in the field. He has shown he will never win another championship. Time for him to move on and open up the spot for maybe another Doohan/Rossi/MM.

[Berries]

But Cal already has a ride.

[Drew]

(surely a must now that electronics control everything else) .

Ah. You don't know what you're fucken blithering about.

Most of us can't really ride a bike for shit. I mean really control the thing. Those cunts however, can. At the same time as making changes to several other things on the fly.

Tell me how that is easier or less of a challenge.

Fucken dinosaurs whinging that it's less pure or not real bike racing, simply need to shut the fuck up. We live in an electronic age, and bikes are catching up.

Or should we all be riding foot clutch operated, exposed valve gear antiques?

Cocks.

[Autech]

Sparked up some good debate here :drinknsin


I wasn't being logical I was being sarcastic:msn-wink:
IMO It takes far more skill than luck and far more hard work than talent to win.
But hard working talented people tend to be "lucky" when it comes to wining world Championships.
Jerry Burgess philosophy was to work harder to build a bike that was capable of wining so the rider could complete a whole race and championship by not having to risk riding at 100% and end up hurt himself.

Damnit why didn't you hold up the sarcasm board.
Skill/talent - Pretty much all riders on the grid have shown they deserve their rides excluding a couple. MM has some massive reflexes on the bike which the other riders don't have, Other riders bring different skills than him that they use equally well. Rossi brings Sunday mojo and great racecraft, Zarco/Lorenzo smooth AF riding, Dovi mad breaking skills and analytical mind...
Hard work - Iannone would be a good case of someone who apparently doesn't work hard enough but has the talent to do well
Luck - MM chose the wrong tyre for a race, burned it out early then HAD to swap for slicks then killed the opposition. MM's 2 main contenders just got taken out of contention in one race. 2014 the only bike on the grid capable of beating him was being ridden by a guy in agony with arm pump.
Takes luck as well :D

As for the Honda being the best bike on the grid, if it was why do the rookies struggle so much on it?
It's had its up years (2014) and it's down years (2015) just like any bike.
I would agree that this year it's looking like being the best bike as it's not struggling with exit drive like it used to, but only if you can ride it like a nutcase. CC's isn't the best bike on the grid though remember it's a bag of shit so he has to push hard and crash out.

[WALRUS]

The Honda has been arguably the "best bike" since the NSR500 but it's also been one of the hardest to learn. If you look at the mid-90's, Doohan and Criville were bloody quick but in comparison to the other machines out there, always looked so unstable and sketchy. Same with the first RC211-V, I'd say the 212-V as well in the 800cc days.. Honda has always had an awesome package which is just a prick if you don't ride it properly as far as I can tell*. You can't win as many championships across so many generations of bikes without having something better than the rest. That said, Yamaha has always been hot on their heels and had that period of dominance with Vale and Jorge but at this point it looks like that was just a flash in the pan IMHO and Honda have gone back to dominance.

It may also have something to do with having a big enough budget and sponsors to secure riders of the likes of Doohan, Rossi, Stoner, Marquez etc. I don't know, at this point in time I can't see anything other than a gnarly injury stopping MM from taking another sodding championship.. Yawwwwn



*This is based purely off watching races, qualifying, and interviews. Needless to say, I have no personal experience with these machines! xD

[eelracing]

Cocks.

Keep yer panties on luv there's a reason the majority of them qualify within 10ths of each other yet over the course of the race are not even on the same race track practically. Dorna dumbing down the electronics has helped this state of affairs.

I know your a bit dim so riddle me this captain underpants... Where are the majority of crashes happening now?

Mm's main advantage is corner entry. He's the man at it and the others better get better at it or forever run wide/take each other out.

Pantywaist

[Drew]

I know your a bit dim so riddle me this captain underpants... Where are the majority of crashes happening now?

Mm's main advantage is corner entry. He's the man at it and the others better get better at it or forever run wide/take each other out.

Pantywaist
Majority of crashes happen the same place they've always happened. Corner entry as the front brake is released. What's the question again?

Marquez is quicker into the turn, no argument here. He crashes three times the weekend just been. Sooner or later that's gonna cost him through injury though.

Everyone else holds back from that limit, though most have adopted a more front end style of riding since the young fella came along and schooled them all.

[Autech]

Majority of crashes happen the same place they've always happened. Corner entry as the front brake is released. What's the question again?

Marquez is quicker into the turn, no argument here. He crashes three times the weekend just been. Sooner or later that's gonna cost him through injury though.

Everyone else holds back from that limit, though most have adopted a more front end style of riding since the young fella came along and schooled them all.Guess some guys wanna see a return to massive high sides n fucked up riders? No thanks.

Bikes are a fuck tonne more powerfull these days too so losing the electronics would be a very very bad thing.

MMs pass on Pedrosa last weekend showed just how much confidence he has in the front end of his bike, guessing cause he had already crashed 3 times on it that weekend that he knew he wasn't asking too much of it to load it up big time for one corner. Brilliant.

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[BMWST?]

Majority of crashes happen the same place they've always happened. Corner entry as the front brake is released. What's the question again?

Marquez is quicker into the turn, no argument here. He crashes three times the weekend just been. Sooner or later that's gonna cost him through injury though.

Everyone else holds back from that limit, though most have adopted a more front end style of riding since the young fella came along and schooled them all.


and he almost always crashes the same way by losing the front.....the paddock pass podcast (https://www.facebook.com/paddockpasspodcast/) boys reckon he "chooses " his crash spots to find the limit in a safe way,ie a lowish speed low side at a chosen corner(s)

[Drew]

and he almost always crashes the same way by losing the front.....the paddock pass podcast (https://www.facebook.com/paddockpasspodcast/) boys reckon he "chooses " his crash spots to find the limit in a safe way,ie a lowish speed low side at a chosen corner(s)
It's how car racers find absolute braking points. I've wondered if it's how he does it too. Not the best idea on a bike though.

[BMWST?]

It's how car racers find absolute braking points. I've wondered if it's how he does it too. Not the best idea on a bike though.
a fine line he treads indeed

[carbonhed]

I've wondered if it's how he does it too. Not the best idea on a bike though.

You should message him... give him the benefit of your wisdom.

[husaberg]

Sparked up some good debate here :drinknsin
As for the Honda being the best bike on the grid, if it was why do the rookies struggle so much on it?
It's had its up years (2014) and it's down years (2015) just like any bike.
I would agree that this year it's looking like being the best bike as it's not struggling with exit drive like it used to, but only if you can ride it like a nutcase. CC's isn't the best bike on the grid though remember it's a bag of shit so he has to push hard and crash out.


The Honda has been arguably the "best bike" since the NSR500 but it's also been one of the hardest to learn. If you look at the mid-90's, Doohan and Criville were bloody quick but in comparison to the other machines out there, always looked so unstable and sketchy. Same with the first RC211-V, I'd say the 212-V as well in the 800cc days.. Honda has always had an awesome package which is just a prick if you don't ride it properly as far as I can tell*. You can't win as many championships across so many generations of bikes without having something better than the rest. That said, Yamaha has always been hot on their heels and had that period of dominance with Vale and Jorge but at this point it looks like that was just a flash in the pan IMHO and Honda have gone back to dominance.

It may also have something to do with having a big enough budget and sponsors to secure riders of the likes of Doohan, Rossi, Stoner, Marquez etc. I don't know, at this point in time I can't see anything other than a gnarly injury stopping MM from taking another sodding championship.. Yawwwwn

*This is based purely off watching races, qualifying, and interviews. Needless to say, I have no personal experience with these machines! xD

Its pretty simple works riders are generally better as evidenced by what happens when privateers fill in for works riders.
The works bikes are clearly better. as evidenced by the better results of the privateers, but the privateers filling in on works bikes still fall short of the results achieved by the normal works rider.
The works buke also enjoy far more development during the season, plus under the old old rules they also got better tyres.
They do a lot more testing at most of the circuits in the off season and they have better teams.
The works riders and teams are also better at setting up a bike for each circuit as they have all the initial setting sorted.

[sugilite]

But Cal already has a ride.

Well maybe at the start of each race ;)

[pritch]

They do a lot more testing at most of the circuits in the off season


Not quite sure what you mean here. Testing by contracted riders is stricly limited and controlled. There are less restrictions on KTM and Aprilia. Possibly also Suzuki but they may have lost some of their advantages now.

[Autech]

Possibly also Suzuki but they may have lost some of their advantages now.

I think 1 more dry podium and they lose them, but only at the end of the year?

[husaberg]

Not quite sure what you mean here. Testing by contracted riders is stricly limited and controlled. There are less restrictions on KTM and Aprilia. Possibly also Suzuki but they may have lost some of their advantages now.
i was meaning back the olden days..... back in my day son we used to etc etc...
but the works bikes receive continued testing set up updates regardless of the rider and machine rules anyway.

[Grumph]

It's how car racers find absolute braking points. I've wondered if it's how he does it too. Not the best idea on a bike though.

Lawson was apparently scary to watch in practise sessions as he practised losing the front regularly....without crashing.

He'd do it where he could be seen - to put the shits up the opposition.

[carbonhed]

Lawson was apparently scary to watch in practise sessions as he practised losing the front regularly....without crashing.

He'd do it where he could be seen - to put the shits up the opposition.

I like the sound of this "Lawson" of which you speak. Sounds like a MM tactic for sure.

[Grumph]

I like the sound of this "Lawson" of which you speak. Sounds like a MM tactic for sure.

Eddie of that tribe - and enough world titles to be taken seriously.....

If MM is doing it without falling he's copying.

[husaberg]

Lawson was apparently scary to watch in practise sessions as he practised losing the front regularly....without crashing.

He'd do it where he could be seen - to put the shits up the opposition.

Lawson used to win championships with consistency, he actually raced as slow as he could away with.
Shae Rainey was known to flash her norks on occasion to put off some during qualifying.
Phil Read used to walk around the pits asking if people thought a certain part of the track was actually too dangerous to race on.
He tried that on Hailwood at the IOM TT Mike just laughed when he tried it on him told him to F off.
Mike decided to turn up the screws on Phil but I cant remember what he did. Although beating him was one way.
Kevin Swantze actually turned up at Rainey parents place where Wayne still lived one day during the off season and when questioned what he was doing there he said I am taking your sister water sking Wayne supposedly went Ape shit but Kevin still took his sister out for the day.
Someone also arranged for a mechanic to sleep with a certain Works Honda racers girlfriend then made sure he found out about it.

[jasonu]

I like the sound of this "Lawson" of which you speak. Sounds like a MM tactic for sure.

Are you 12?

[carbonhed]

Are you 12?

It was a joke you fucking pinhead.

This isn't... FYI.

FYI means "for your information".

Information means... stuff.

Have we covered all possible points for the guy on the short bus yet?

[jasonu]

It was a joke you fucking pinhead.

This isn't... FYI.

FYI means "for your information".

Information means... stuff.

Have we covered all possible points for the guy on the short bus yet?

Whatever you say mate.

[carbonhed]

Whatever you say mate.

Darned tootin cracker. :laugh:

[Autech]

It was a joke you fucking pinhead.

This isn't... FYI.

FYI means "for your information".

Information means... stuff.

Have we covered all possible points for the guy on the short bus yet?

You must spread more reputation around.........

Meanwhile looks like it's see ya see ya later, it's time for you to go.... for young Bradders

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/895729/1/tech-3-smith-return-makes-no-sense

Either that or him Herve and Pit will have a big scrap over who wears the fucking pants in this relationship

[sugilite]

You must spread more reputation around.........

Meanwhile looks like it's see ya see ya later, it's time for you to go.... for young Bradders

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/895729/1/tech-3-smith-return-makes-no-sense

Either that or him Herve and Pit will have a big scrap over who wears the fucking pants in this relationship

So much for parity for tech 3 with the Works team - poor old Herve looks to be getting offered sloppy seconds hand me downs and he has not even picked up the first bikes yet. :pinch:

[Autech]

So much for parity for tech 3 with the Works team - poor old Herve looks to be getting offered sloppy seconds hand me downs and he has not even picked up the first bikes yet. :pinch:

Especially a ginger hand me down that he already got rid of once...

[pritch]

Either that or him Herve and Pit will have a big scrap over who wears the fucking pants in this relationship

Yeah. I can see why KTM might want Smith because of his knowledge, and his experience with their bike. I can also see why Poncharal would be surprised at the change in his role as he sees it. An asnwer should be forthcoming soonish. Especially if Poncharal signs somebody else?