MotoGP 2018 [Archive] - Page 9

Autech

21st November 2018, 12:57

I do get what you are saying, but Scott Redding was actually the youngest ever GP winner until last weekend. Sorta sad that he will be the youngest GP winner in BSB.

Sorry I had a huge head ache last night and actually was in bed at 2030 when I posted that lol.
You got the gist anyways!

Scott Redding was the youngest GP winner till last weekend, was hailed to be the next thing and may very well have become that if he didn't grow to be a giant. So lets hope this Oncu chap doesn't do the same

Mental Trousers

21st November 2018, 15:26

Sorry I had a huge head ache last night and actually was in bed at 2030 when I posted that lol.
You got the gist anyways!

Scott Redding was the youngest GP winner till last weekend, was hailed to be the next thing and may very well have become that if he didn't grow to be a giant. So lets hope this Oncu chap doesn't do the same

It's quite possible that Can Oncu will grow too big as he's already 5'6" at age 15, but his twin brother (fraternal) Deniz Oncu is fooking tiny. He's looking like another Dani Pedrossa in a few years.

Autech

22nd November 2018, 16:37

It's quite possible that Can Oncu will grow too big as he's already 5'6" at age 15, but his twin brother (fraternal) Deniz Oncu is fooking tiny. He's looking like another Dani Pedrossa in a few years.My younger brother is 6'1" and 82kgs at 15. I won't be urging him to pursue bike racing lol

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Dadpole

22nd November 2018, 20:34

My son is 2 meters and 120 KG. Shall I break the news that his MotoGP dream is over?

Autech

22nd November 2018, 22:27

My son is 2 meters and 120 KG. Shall I break the news that his MotoGP dream is over?The fuck did you feed him???

Don't worry I am sure he is sick of everyone asking him if he plays basketball or "how is the weather up there" to care

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pritch

24th November 2018, 06:04

Dorna have a Black Friday special: access to their video content throughout the pre-season testing for 1 Euro.

If it is only for Friday Spanish time there are only a few hours to be in.

Dadpole

24th November 2018, 08:53

Colour me subscribed. At one Euro, not even a tightarse like me can resist. I will see how good the feed is at my rural hideout and decide if I will pull the pin on the full package.

Dadpole

24th November 2018, 08:55

Hurry Hurry :scooter:

The offer expires today 11.00 AM

Autech

24th November 2018, 09:57

Fuck thanks guys.
1 euro poorer but have many motogp riches to fill the gap

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Dadpole

24th November 2018, 09:58

3 minutes.... RUN RUN RUN

carbonhed

24th November 2018, 11:31

SaferRides

24th November 2018, 14:52

3 minutes.... RUN RUN RUN
Still available at 3:50 pm.

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Dadpole

24th November 2018, 14:55

Doh.... I was looking at the closing time - not the closing date:confused:

So AMBLE AMBLE AMBLE ...

SaferRides

24th November 2018, 15:01

Ducati really had the bike to win that championship didn't they? Those three early season DNF's for Dovi really cost them. Plus once Lorenzo got his act together they had a team that could have ruffled MM's feathers and done it with relish.

So amidst all the backslapping for a good year I hope there's some realism about the championship that got away and the loss of the guy who could have won it in 2019.
Ducati, and Dovi, really missed the boat this year. Read what Jack Miller has to say about the GP19, bearing in mind that it's almost the same as this year's bike at the moment. Then look at what Bautista did on the GP18 at PI.

Then losing Lorenzo - shades of how they treated Stoner after he won the championship.

I would not be surprised if this year will turn out to be their best chance. Sounds like Marquez is very focused on improving the Honda for 2019.

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BMWST?

24th November 2018, 16:45

we should really be over at the 2019 thread guys but the motogop video feed may try to auto renew.I tried to look at my renewal option but the page crashed,so be warned

SaferRides

24th November 2018, 17:42

we should really be over at the 2019 thread guys but the motogop video feed may try to auto renew.I tried to look at my renewal option but the page crashed,so be warned
Good point.

I didn't get an autorenewal offer this year. Might be because I used PayPal last year? So the 1 Euro offer for the off season was great.

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Dadpole

24th November 2018, 19:09

There is a bit of talk about the unsubscribe thing crashing. You only need to have it done by March 4, so plenty of time - and if you forget then you will be forced to watch every session live to get your moneys worth.

carbonhed

24th November 2018, 19:16

Ducati, and Dovi, really missed the boat this year. Read what Jack Miller has to say about the GP19, bearing in mind that it's almost the same as this year's bike at the moment. Then look at what Bautista did on the GP18 at PI.

Then losing Lorenzo - shades of how they treated Stoner after he won the championship.

I would not be surprised if this year will turn out to be their best chance. Sounds like Marquez is very focused on improving the Honda for 2019.

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Absolutely. Unfortunately Honda have Marquez and Lorenzo and Ducati have Dovi and Petrucci. :rofl: Oh shit for Ducati. Dovi and Petrucci seem like the kind of guys you'd like to have a beer with but Marquez and Lorenzo are cold blooded killers. WTF were Ducati thinking?

pritch

24th November 2018, 19:35

WTF were Ducati thinking?

They were thinking they had paid zillions for a total loser. If you recall, at the time the decision was made Lorenzo had done nowt. He signed for Honda then BINGO!. He won. I suspect that Honda got Lorenzo for a real bargain price?

speights_bud

24th November 2018, 19:40

pritch

24th November 2018, 20:55

If I had to pick 2 guys to have a beer with it wouldn't be Dovi and Petrux.

Try Miller and Crutchlow if you want shit to get real.

Crutchlow had the rep of being one of the funniest guys in the paddock. That's a Rossi quote. Miller has rubbed some hereabout the wrong way, but thank God we didn't have to grow up in front of TV cameras.

IIRC Laverty and some others joined the marshalls for a beer after the races at Phillip Island. I'd be happy to have a beer and listen to their war stories - pretty much any of them.

speights_bud

24th November 2018, 21:03

Crutchlow had the rep of being one of the funniest guys in the paddock. That's a Rossi quote. Miller has rubbed some hereabout the wrong way, but thank God we didn't have to grow up in front of TV cameras.

IIRC Laverty and some others joined the marshalls for a beer after the races at Phillip Island. I'd be happy to have a beer and listen to their war stories - pretty much any of them.Yea Friday or Saturday (can't remember) night at PI they usually try and get some of the riders / famous names to drop into the Marshall shed for photos and a beer. Free booze for marshals each night.

It was during one of these drinking sessions I briefly held a brembo carbon brake pad from Dani's bike he'd binned earlier in the day. A Marshall had burned his fingers severely when he was clearing up the debris so one of the lads trophied it for him. It was super lightweight.

The staff got shitty when we helped ourselves to takeaway beers. Was supposed to be kept on site haha.

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SaferRides

24th November 2018, 21:17

If I had to pick 2 guys to have a beer with it wouldn't be Dovi and Petrux.

Try Miller and Crutchlow if you want shit to get real.

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Maybe a nice Chianti but not a beer!

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sugilite

25th November 2018, 05:18

Absolutely. Unfortunately Honda have Marquez and Lorenzo and Ducati have Dovi and Petrucci. :rofl: Oh shit for Ducati. Dovi and Petrucci seem like the kind of guys you'd like to have a beer with but Marquez and Lorenzo are cold blooded killers. WTF were Ducati thinking?
You are absolutely right, Petrucci is not championship contender material and Dovi really needs the planets to align like MM and Lorenzo to have bad luck in order for him to win a championship. What Ducati need to do is get a true champion on their bike. They need to buy Rossi out of his Yamaha contract and get him on what is now the best bike in the field. What a dream team that would make! An Italian rider on an Italian bike winning his 10th championship putting that record well outside MM's reach! :2thumbsup

carbonhed

25th November 2018, 08:07

BMWST?

25th November 2018, 08:22

You are absolutely right, Petrucci is not championship contender material and Dovi really needs the planets to align like MM and Lorenzo to have bad luck in order for him to win a championship. What Ducati need to do is get a true champion on their bike. They need to buy Rossi out of his Yamaha contract and get him on what is now the best bike in the field. What a dream team that would make! An Italian rider on an Italian bike winning his 10th championship putting that record well outside MM's reach! :2thumbsup

MM is on track to win many many more championships,Rossi having 10 wont be an obstacle.Its harder for VR now than ever.You could argue that on any given day there will be 4 riders who have beaten him consistently(MM,JL,MV,AD) over the last couple of years. He is the one who needs the planets to align.Granted the Yamaha has not been an ally .It all makes it better viewing for us though.

sugilite

25th November 2018, 08:59

You're just trying to wind me up aren't you :laugh:

Perhaps in a parallel universe somewhere?
Goddamit, knew I should of taken my Captain Obvious t-shirt off lol Yeah, barring injury, MM going to obliterate Rossi's titles :yes:

Dadpole

25th November 2018, 09:07

I can see Marquez going on to obliterate everyone's title records. 5 premier titles in 6 years is a mind-boggling statistic. If he keeps going, I can imagine him having 15 titles then going to 4 wheels for a challenge...

carbonhed

25th November 2018, 09:16

Goddamit, knew I should of taken my Captain Obvious t-shirt off lol Yeah, barring injury, MM going to obliterate Rossi's titles :yes:

It was only at the last moment... milliseconds before submit that I noticed it :rofl:

"Wait. A. Fucking. Minute! It's a setup, abort, abort!"

pritch

25th November 2018, 11:18

. They need to buy Rossi out of his Yamaha contract and get him on what is now the best bike in the field. What a dream team that would make! An Italian rider on an Italian bike winning his 10th championship

Shit oh dear, that felt like a trip back in time. All we need now is a suggestion that Stoner is coming back. I think he has pulled the plug on riding though, he is quoted as saying it's too hard to stay in shape for just a few rides a year.

sugilite

25th November 2018, 14:39

It was only at the last moment... milliseconds before submit that I noticed it :rofl:

"Wait. A. Fucking. Minute! It's a setup, abort, abort!"
Now I know how Retalik felt knocking it on in the 80th minute :brick:

Shit oh dear, that felt like a trip back in time. All we need now is a suggestion that Stoner is coming back. I think he has pulled the plug on riding though, he is quoted as saying it's too hard to stay in shape for just a few rides a year.
A MM + Stoner showdown! Alas, we will likely never see it. :(

Autech

25th November 2018, 15:53

If I had to pick 2 guys to have a beer with it wouldn't be Dovi and Petrux.

Try Miller and Crutchlow if you want shit to get real.

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Chuck Iannone in there for some extra good times. I think Aleix Espagaro would be a goer on the piss too.

You are absolutely right, Petrucci is not championship contender material and Dovi really needs the planets to align like MM and Lorenzo to have bad luck in order for him to win a championship. What Ducati need to do is get a true champion on their bike. They need to buy Rossi out of his Yamaha contract and get him on what is now the best bike in the field. What a dream team that would make! An Italian rider on an Italian bike winning his 10th championship putting that record well outside MM's reach! :2thumbsup

Fucking good wind up this.

speights_bud

25th November 2018, 16:06

Chuck Iannone in there for some extra good times. I think Aleix Espagaro would be a goer on the piss too.

Iannone if you don't mind risking getting locked up at the end of the night.

I don't know why but Aleix reminds me of a guy that gets rowdy pissed, has a sulk then gets huffy and leaves early.

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speights_bud

25th November 2018, 21:27

If you have the off season access this is a Must watch.

Day 2 valencia full test video . Start yourself at 5 hours 5min.

Very very good commentary with Neil Spalding on the technology used in the GP paddock. Hondas new chassis layout etc

Dadpole

26th November 2018, 06:11

Hervé Poncharal had a good long chat also. About the 1:15 mark.

WALRUS

26th November 2018, 09:16

If he keeps going, I can imagine him having 15 titles then going to 4 wheels for a challenge...

Can they run 3 championships in a year, then, so he can hurry up and bugger off? :P

Dadpole

26th November 2018, 09:36

Can they run 3 championships in a year, then, so he can hurry up and bugger off? :P

Petition Dorna to allow a rider to do Moto 1, 2 and 3 simultaneously.

Mental Trousers

27th November 2018, 10:45

carbonhed

27th November 2018, 11:36

Rossi may have lost what it takes to win a championship. Even when he was in line for a race win he managed to tip it over. No reason for that, it was entirely the riders fault.

He used to be Jaws and now he's a halibut.

pritch

27th November 2018, 12:05

He used to be Jaws and now he's a halibut.

Mind if I just file that away in case I need it later?

Banditbandit

27th November 2018, 12:31

What Ducati need to do is get a true champion on their bike. They need to buy Rossi out of his Yamaha contract and get him on what is now the best bike in the field.

Rossi could not win on a Ducati before - what makes you think he can win now?

Honda beat Ducati for the teams championship by 46 points - how can you claim Ducati are a better bike?

Autech

27th November 2018, 13:53

Rossi could not win on a Ducati before - what makes you think he can win now?

Honda beat Ducati for the teams championship by 46 points - how can you claim Ducati are a better bike?

Which is amazing considering DP had his worst season ever this year. CC stepped up a bit and didn't chuck it as much though which helped.

I'd say the Ducati is close to being the best bike and as soon as Jack Miller and Bags take over the 2 factory seats we'll see just how epic it is. Bring that shit

carbonhed

27th November 2018, 15:24

Mind if I just file that away in case I need it later?

Knock yourself out if you don't mind a few 'flounder' jokes next time he falls off when MM gets to +0.5 on his pit board :-)

SaferRides

27th November 2018, 15:47

Which is amazing considering DP had his worst season ever this year. CC stepped up a bit and didn't chuck it as much though which helped.

Possibly more amazing is that Marquez would have won the rider's championship by over 100 points if he hadn't fitted the medium rain tyres at Valencia.

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sugilite

27th November 2018, 16:37

Rossi could not win on a Ducati before - what makes you think he can win now?

Honda beat Ducati for the teams championship by 46 points - how can you claim Ducati are a better bike?
Well, at least I hooked one :2thumbsup

carbonhed

27th November 2018, 17:03

Well, at least I hooked one :2thumbsup

Patience is definitely a virtue :-)

Banditbandit

28th November 2018, 09:50

W
I'd say the Ducati is close to being the best bike and as soon as Jack Miller and Bags take over the 2 factory seats we'll see just how epic it is. Bring that shit

See - what most of you have missed - and what I was expecting in response, is that it is not the bike or the rider - it is the combination of the bike and the rider - as Rossi proved when he first moved to Yamaha from Honda

best rider took on what was considered a shit bike - worked with the team and the built a bike Rossi could race and win on ..

Remember South Africa in 2004? No-one expected Rossi to place anywhere - and he went out and won.

The winning combination is the rider and the bike ..

pritch

28th November 2018, 12:05

The winning combination is the rider and the bike ..

As Shaun said when he won the TT, You have to have the complete package. That's true, but too few guys get that opportunity in GPs. If Aprilia, KTM and Suzuki can keep on improving there could be more riders with a competitive package. Then we all win.

Drew

28th November 2018, 12:09

WALRUS

28th November 2018, 19:49

There is a misconception that the best rider can make any bike work. In truth that's true of only two riders that I can think of, and they're both from Australia. And even then, there's a real possibility that Stoner suited the Ducati and the Honda he got was so fucken good he couldn't help but win.

14 years ago I'd say it was right about Rossi. Went from the RC211-V to the M1, from 2 championships to 2 wins. Admittedly, the bike had almost a total overhaul between the '03 and '04 seasons but it was still great to watch. It would be like if Marquez signed for Suzuki (hell, or Yamaha) for the next year and still dominated. Or if Jonathan Rea switched to a Honda in WSBK

Nobody seems to have the balls to do that anymore

BMWST?

28th November 2018, 19:59

See - what most of you have missed - and what I was expecting in response, is that it is not the bike or the rider - it is the combination of the bike and the rider - as Rossi proved when he first moved to Yamaha from Honda

best rider took on what was considered a shit bike - worked with the team and the built a bike Rossi could race and win on ..

Remember South Africa in 2004? No-one expected Rossi to place anywhere - and he went out and won.

The winning combination is the rider and the bike ..
and possibly even more under rated...the team

Autech

29th November 2018, 08:40

14 years ago I'd say it was right about Rossi. Went from the RC211-V to the M1, from 2 championships to 2 wins. Admittedly, the bike had almost a total overhaul between the '03 and '04 seasons but it was still great to watch. It would be like if Marquez signed for Suzuki (hell, or Yamaha) for the next year and still dominated. Or if Jonathan Rea switched to a Honda in WSBK

Nobody seems to have the balls to do that anymoreIf the media is correct Zarco had the chance at a Honda and chose KTM instead.
That took balls but I fear it won't pay off for him as the bike is just too far away.

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SaferRides

29th November 2018, 08:48

If the media is correct Zarco had the chance at a Honda and chose KTM instead.
That took balls but I fear it won't pay off for him as the bike is just too far away.

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Good luck Zarco!

SaferRides

29th November 2018, 08:52

I see Lorenzo is 7th, not much slower than Nakagami and Marquez. Considering he's still slightly broken, looks like he'll be fine on the Honda.

carbonhed

29th November 2018, 09:03

I see Lorenzo is 7th, not much slower than Nakagami and Marquez. Considering he's still slightly broken, looks like he'll be fine on the Honda.

Shame he's not able to talk much until the end of the year. I would love to know his impressions so far.

Autech

29th November 2018, 10:32

Shame he's not able to talk much until the end of the year. I would love to know his impressions so far.Probably "holy shit this turns well" soon followed by "this engine is garbage"

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pritch

29th November 2018, 10:33

Honda didn't wait to give Lorenzo a bigger 'gas tank', he has one from the get go.

Dovi crashed and hurt his hand, will see if he can ride tomorrow.

Mir crashed and commented that the asphalt is harder in MotoGP.

manxkiwi

29th November 2018, 10:55

SaferRides

29th November 2018, 12:33

Probably "holy shit this turns well" soon followed by "this engine is garbage"

Sent from my SM-A730F using TapatalkI watched an interview with Nakagami, who is very happy with the 2018 Honda.

The 2017 bike must have been shite.

actungbaby

5th December 2018, 17:56

Probably "holy shit this turns well" soon followed by "this engine is garbage"

Sent from my SM-A730F using TapatalkYour got to ne joking how many gps have hrc won.how many different, world titles. Even in american flat track with a engine based on cx 500. How many moto 2 engine failures just 2. There called honda motor company for a reason. Surperb engineering.

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husaberg

5th December 2018, 18:11

Your got to ne joking how many gps have hrc won.how many different, world titles. Even in american flat track with a engine based on cx 500. How many moto 2 engine failures just 2. There called honda motor company for a reason. Surperb engineering.

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I am not sure that the CX500 based flat tracker won any races
The RS750 which was a Narrow angle fairly conventional V twin did win about 4 or 5 titles, but it was kind of like a XLV750.
it even one one title without factory backing.
It also won a Daytona BOTT as the Commonwealth Honda.
Funny enough before the Moto 2 went $ stroke Kawasaki were offered the chance to do the engines as the people that eun MGP wanted to get Kawasaki involved in MGP. Kawaski turned them down as did Suzuki and Yamaha
Honda stepped in to make it happen.

actungbaby

5th December 2018, 18:14

Thanks for that yeah didint know
That stuff.

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SaferRides

6th December 2018, 09:17

Marquez has had one mechanical failure in MotoGP. That's worth a good few points most years.

pritch

6th December 2018, 10:57

Marquez has had one mechanical failure in MotoGP. That's worth a good few points most years.

A DNF is usually worth 25 points in his case.

The Honda Moto2 engines were amazingly reliable, millions of race kilometres for so few failures. Dorna wanted more ponies but Honda refused, they wanted - and got - reliability. Credit also to the dudes at Aragon who prepared the engines, and who will prepare the 765s. Hopefully the Triumph engines will be as reliable.

Autech

6th December 2018, 14:15

pritch

6th December 2018, 17:37

Disclaimer: Garbage compared to the Ducatis engine.

Yeah that'll be why Marquez finished so far down the field behind all the Ducatis. Oh wait...

Autech

6th December 2018, 21:19

Yeah that'll be why Marquez finished so far down the field behind all the Ducatis. Oh wait...If it was a drag race maybe.
But it wasn't and the Ducati boys were too busy falling off to challenge him properly :(.
This years Honda engine was definitely a lot closer to them than past years I would say, they weren't able to select the fast map and blitz MM quite as easily as in '17.
It seemed to me that when the Ducati hooks 4th 5th 6th it just hauled away when the duke boys wanted it too. Probably the same peak power for both bikes but that Ducati just seems to make it smoother.

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BMWST?

7th December 2018, 17:14

shouldnt we all move over to the 2019 thread.???

husaberg

7th December 2018, 17:49

Disclaimer: Garbage compared to the Ducatis engine.

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Ducati have done 16 seasons MGP and have won 1 riders title
In those same 16 years Honda have won it on eight occasions. On the renaming 8 occasion where the bikes they built didnt win the riders championship they finished 2nd on 5 of the 8 times.
Ducati have one 500cc/MGP World championship Honda has 20
Put it this way Ducati have the same number as AJS and Norton

As far as Manufacturers Champs goes in those same 16 years Honda won it 10 times Ducati one

Overall the manufactures champs boils done to this.

<tbody>
Honda
24

MV Agusta
16

Yamaha
14

Suzuki
7

Gilera
4

Norton
2

Ducati
1

AJS
1

Total
69

</tbody>

Autech

7th December 2018, 22:43

Ducati have done 16 seasons MGP and have won 1 riders title
In those same 16 years Honda have won it on eight occasions. On the renaming 8 occasion where the bikes they built didnt win the riders championship they finished 2nd on 5 of the 8 times.
Ducati have one 500cc/MGP World championship Honda has 20
Put it this way Ducati have the same number as AJS and Norton

As far as Manufacturers Champs goes in those same 16 years Honda won it 10 times Ducati one

Overall the manufactures champs boils done to this.

<tbody>
Honda
24

MV Agusta
16

Yamaha
14

Suzuki
7

Gilera
4

Norton
2

Ducati
1

AJS
1

Total
69

</tbody>Sorry wtf does this have to do with the CURRENT Ducati having a better ENGINE than the Honda? Never said it was a better package, though it probably was this year but they didn't capitalise when they had the chance.

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pritch

8th December 2018, 08:56

Yamaha test rider Jonas Folger has crashed while dirt riding and has had collar bone surgery. It is hoped he will be recovered for the Sepang test in January.

BMWST?

10th December 2018, 21:22

better maybe butthe honda GARBAGE in relation?I think not/Yamaha and Ktm And Aprilia,probably

BMWST?

10th December 2018, 21:23

an intersting picture via motomatters at Quatar this season
https://photos.smugmug.com/MotoGP/2018/EOY-01-Qatar-Cormac/n-HHM39H/i-ZSrQkFH/0/f919a52c/L/i-ZSrQkFH-L.jpg

carbonhed

11th December 2018, 18:25

Scott Reddings new adventure in BSB.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo8kM8oPHx0

pritch

11th December 2018, 20:43

In a farewell ceremony Honda have gifted Pedro a MotoGP bike and an RS250. His new employers may want a peek at the works of that RCV?

Lorenzo has given an inerview on BT Sport, if you can access a clip great, if not:
https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/911619/1/lorenzo-talks-marquez-rossi-pedrosa

ecko_nzed

11th December 2018, 21:15

SaferRides

12th December 2018, 04:07

Surely in the case of the RCV, it wouldn't be a runner?

Sent from my TA-1012 using TapatalkIt's a 2006. One careful owner, low km, full service history ...

pritch

12th December 2018, 11:25

It's a 2006. One careful owner, low km, full service history ...

"Believed to be a 2006" which if memory serves makes it a V5. Magic. I still think a KTM engineer would like to take a peek inside that.

WALRUS

12th December 2018, 11:46

Surely in the case of the RCV, it wouldn't be a runner?

Why not?

I know it's a different factory but some of the GP bikes that Ducati sell on to customers are in fine running order.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKEovEgodaA&t=21s

THIS SITE (http://www.gpmotorbikes.com/index.php/en/motogp) used to have a mountain of old CRT machines and a couple of the FRT/Kawasaki bikes for sale... Some pretty cool stuff comes and goes

pritch

12th December 2018, 12:40

Why not?
I know it's a different factory but some of the GP bikes that Ducati sell on to customers are in fine running order.

That RCV-S, or whatever it was that Honda sold to the public, was required to be kept in a climate controlled garage so a 12 year old RCV211 might have problems. That might be why they also gave him an RS250, something he can take out for a gallop, although he can afford to buy anything he fancies.

Of course KTM might work him so hard he gets his filll of riding.

SaferRides

12th December 2018, 21:27

I can't believe Honda didn't give Dani something to do in 2019. Could be a huge mistake - KTM must think all their Christmases have come at once getting Dani and Zarco.

husaberg

12th December 2018, 22:33

"Believed to be a 2006" which if memory serves makes it a V5. Magic. I still think a KTM engineer would like to take a peek inside that.
here is some later RC212V internals
https://world.honda.com/RC-V/RC212V/report-engine/
plus Rc211V internals here
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/album.php?albumid=5168
but the Yamaha M1 and S5 is prettier milled from billet
339864339865339866

Autech

13th December 2018, 17:25

I can't believe Honda didn't give Dani something to do in 2019. Could be a huge mistake - KTM must think all their Christmases have come at once getting Dani and Zarco.And Olivera. Cunt is seriously fast on a bike… I won't be surprised if he starts out performing Zarco once he's comfortable. Depends on how much effort the factory gives the tech boys though

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SaferRides

13th December 2018, 20:50

Depends on how much effort the factory gives the tech boys though

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I think KTM started out with the idea that throwing resources at MotoGP was the answer. Now I think they might understand the scale of the problem.

Autech

13th December 2018, 22:17

I think KTM started out with the idea that throwing resources at MotoGP was the answer. Now I think they might understand the scale of the problem.They need to slow things down a bit to evolve their stuff more linear I think. If you swap too much shit out you can lose you way big time and end up right where you began. Ie use a bike for 3 races, analyse its weaknesses then try to fix it with some bits. Race another 3 races etc etc. Can't keep up this huge program without results I think.

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Mental Trousers

17th December 2018, 11:05

I think KTM started out with the idea that throwing resources at MotoGP was the answer. Now I think they might understand the scale of the problem.

It's worked for them in other series. However, they're finding out MotoGP is different. It's all refine, evolve, refine, evolve, repeat etc. Throwing resources at something won't get you to the same point when everybody else has been refining things for over 10 years (from 990cc -> 800cc -> current ).

pritch

17th December 2018, 12:23

Trouble in Paradise?

Alberto Puig never struck me as a "nice" man. It would seem to be him that made Pedro appear to be a surly little bugger way back when. It was probably him got Hayden the shaft in favour of Pedro when Hayden had the title.

Puig has done an interview in Spain and has been uncomplimentary about his old pupil. He's also commented about Rossi but I've yet to read what he said there. Pedro though appears upset and has replied, although it's heavy going for those of us who rely on Google translate.

SaferRides

17th December 2018, 12:50

When Lorenzo signed for Honda, all of the stories were that Puig was behind it, partly to force Dani out. I can't help thinking that all of this could have been handled much better.

roogazza

17th December 2018, 12:54

Puig hasn't got a good name in the paddock from what I have heard. Comments I hear regular are that, he's a bit of a prick !
( but I haven't met him personally to judge !). :whistle: :mellow:

merv

17th December 2018, 13:46

I don't understand why Honda put Puig in the position they have given him. Surely there was someone else that could have done the job better?

Autech

17th December 2018, 14:10

Puig has no right to comment on Dani considering his own racing results...

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Mental Trousers

17th December 2018, 14:29

From what I understand Puig is a tosser, but he's a political animal. The reason he's running the Honda MotoGP team is because he plays the politics game so damn well. For quite a while he was the guy who brought Honda the golden boy, except that Dani didn't win the championship at all and Emilio Alzamora brought Marc Marquez through. That screwed up Puig's position so he bailed to the Red Bull Cup and came back at things from a different angle. Now, he's had Lorenzo fall into his lap.

pritch

17th December 2018, 15:27

From what I understand Puig is a tosser, but he's a political animal.

I did read an article that made the case that it's just as well there is sport, otherwise the likes of Puig and Livio Suppo would be trying to rule the world.

Puig must have been an effective talent spotter. He was mentoring four young blokes with a block of four numbers, two of which were 26 and 27. Chaz Davies may have been the third, I can't recall who the fourth one was. Although I note that Toni Elias runs 24.

Update: In 2001 Joan Olive ran 25 in the same team as Elias 24. Still, I'm not sure that those are the four in question though.

Autech

17th December 2018, 17:24

Puig lost his job because Pedrosa fired him. Which also led to his best few shots at the title so read into that what you will. Sounds like a real wanker though.

Puig got very lucky to sign Lorenzo but going off the press he was going to take pretty much anyone anyways. I hope Dani gives KTM all the info they need so they can smash Honda in the upcoming years :D in return for his comments.
Going to take a while though as they haven't yet maxed a package I don't think before moving on to another set up. Iannone commented similar on the Aprilia that there is still some time to be found in what they have. Shame you can't just guess the perfect design but the odds on that would be pretty damn low

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Mental Trousers

18th December 2018, 08:13

Puig lost his job because Pedrosa fired him.

His job was talent spotter/developer. Dani telling him to piss off wasn't as much of a set back as it would seem as Dani wasn't living up to the expectations Puig put on him. Once he got away from Puig, Dani started riding much better and got better results. He also turned out to be a much nicer bloke. However, Alzamora turning up with both of the Marquez brothers and a couple of others in tow totally blew Puig out of the water, after all, if he was so good at spotting talent why hadn't he gotten onto them. So he went to a job that would get him maximum exposure to new talent. Problem is, running the Red Bull MotoGP Academy shouldn't lead to running the Honda MotoGP team. The only thing I can think of is he saw an opportunity, went after it and scored big.

SaferRides

18th December 2018, 09:24

Going to take a while though as they haven't yet maxed a package I don't think before moving on to another set up. Iannone commented similar on the Aprilia that there is still some time to be found in what they have. Shame you can't just guess the perfect design but the odds on that would be pretty damn low

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Iannone may have learnt a few things about development at Suzuki. With Bradley Smith as the test rider, they may be the surprise of 2019. Can't wait for next season, we are planning a trip to the UK and hopefully can fit in a side trip to somewhere the wife would like in Spain or Italy at the same time as a race. :)

ecko_nzed

18th December 2018, 15:01

Trouble in Paradise?

although it's heavy going for those of us who rely on Google translate.

and this for those that habla Ingles https://www.gpone.com/en/2018/12/17/motogp/pedrosa-to-puig-leave-those-who-dont-speak-badly-of-you-alone.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=gponedotcom

husaberg

18th December 2018, 21:38

I don't understand why Honda put Puig in the position they have given him. Surely there was someone else that could have done the job better?

Spanish sponsorship dollars its the same reason he had a works bike himself.
Back when it was tobacco money it was the Aussies and the Yanks.
puig never finished the 250s higher than 6th in 7 seasons >he never even won a 250 race out of 55 starts
Yet got a NSR500 for the top class after those results. Yet even then with the best bike in the field he only won i race out of about 70 starts
At least his compatriot criville won some championships before being gifted a Nsr500 ride

pritch

19th December 2018, 13:05

Mat Oxley has an unusually frank and forthcoming interview with Jorge.

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opinion/motogp/how-i-ride-jorge-lorenzo

WALRUS

20th December 2018, 14:10

A bit more Puig for y'all

https://amcn.com.au/editorial/honda-boss-claims-rossi-is-no-longer-benchmark/?fbclid=IwAR0TuPofyG0c18tZW50QHEEv7xdlFP6HJagx7E_J idrl1BcezudMX-tI3RA

husaberg

24th December 2018, 16:13

Now this is a Highside

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrfJQE38Xxw

carbonhed

25th December 2018, 17:20

Now this is a Highside

Lame. Baldassari "bounces" higher than that guy flew in this clip. There's way meaner flights than that.

https://youtu.be/o50dSWgRS5I

husaberg

25th December 2018, 18:10

Lame. Baldassari "bounces" higher than that guy flew in this clip. There's way meaner flights than that.

Baldassari high sided not through shear power power but through going onto the stripping but yeah great aerial but he never got up on his own stream like lil Jon did either.
Jon actually went on to start the race afterwards
pretty sure the biggest two highside i have seen was one at the Ulster GP North West plus some poor sap on a Kawaski at Greymouth coming out of the Left hander.
here is a synchronized 500GP highside duo

https://youtu.be/R6SbXBb-_Mo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0hq9bXgokc
Randy Save
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GC-8Mwp-rTc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GC-8Mwp-rTc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcqjhzTIWyk
Last one include my fav pass of all time
From Memory Gardner said the Honda power curve raised 60HP in 200 revs.
Likely only Vale could ride one of these 500GP bikes fast and even then it was a pussycat compared to the early ones but all those era riders all could ride a Modern MGP bike fast
No traction control no ignition control in gears no FBW throttle smoothing

BMWST?

25th December 2018, 19:48

Baldassari high sided not through shear power power but through going onto the stripping but yeah great aerial but he never got up on his own stream like lil Jon did either.
Jon actually went on to start the race afterwards
pretty sure the biggest two highside i have seen was one at the Ulster GP North West plus some poor sap on a Kawaski at Greymouth coming out of the Left hander.
here is a synchronized 500GP highside duo
Last one include my fav pass of all time
From Memory Gardner said the Honda power curve raised 60HP in 200 revs.
Likely only Vale could ride one of these 500GP bikes fast and even then it was a pussycat compared to the early ones but all those era riders all could ride a Modern MGP bike fast
No traction control no ignition control in gears no FBW throttle smoothing
i bet that MM jlo stoner could all ride those two straokes bloody fast.I reckon a couple of JLos early motogp high sides were low earth orbits compard with most of those ones

husaberg

25th December 2018, 20:05

i bet that MM jlo stoner could all ride those two straokes bloody fast.I reckon a couple of JLos early motogp high sides were low earth orbits compard with most of those ones
Hard to say for sure i know lorenzo couldn't consistently ride em fast, that said luca Caladora was similar style and he could shine on a 500GP as long as the tyres the track the suspension etc were all perfect alignment which wasnt often.
MM i honestly dont think so i know that will upset some but when the Honda power delivery was poor he was nowhere.
Stoner yeah he sure could as he was ex dirt track but hes not a current modern era rider either.
the modern camera angles make them look worse the old ones are not close in low angles like modern ones are.
We will see how good MM really is with George on the same bike, George is far better than Pedro ever was.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tt8Lw57K3jI

Never seen this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nwh_iCHe-5k

sugilite

26th December 2018, 06:15

God DaMMIT! I am not Lorenzo - NOOOOO!
https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/240232/1/quiz-which-motogp-rider-are-you

speights_bud

26th December 2018, 06:19

God DaMMIT! I am not Lorenzo - NOOOOO!
https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/240232/1/quiz-which-motogp-rider-are-youHaha, I can live with my result! https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181225/164c309777a3691c7a958755477f5ad7.jpg

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SaferRides

26th December 2018, 06:38

God DaMMIT! I am not Lorenzo - NOOOOO!
https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/240232/1/quiz-which-motogp-rider-are-youLOL. I thought I'd done enough to not be JL but no.

pritch

26th December 2018, 10:35

LOL. I thought I'd done enough to not be JL but no.

Me too. Seems like it's almost unanimous.

onearmedbandit

27th December 2018, 21:25

Now this is a Highside

Technically not a highside but nasty crash nonetheless.

Lame. Baldassari "bounces" higher than that guy flew in this clip. There's way meaner flights than that.

Oooo fuck that is hard to watch.

husaberg

27th December 2018, 21:32

Technically not a highside but nasty crash nonetheless.

Oooo fuck that is hard to watch.

watched again buggar me you are 100% right.
it slipped gripped and threw him but he exited the low side

Mental Trousers

28th December 2018, 12:35

God DaMMIT! I am not Lorenzo - NOOOOO!
https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/240232/1/quiz-which-motogp-rider-are-you

Andrea Ianonne. At least I'm not Lorenzo I guess.

manxkiwi

28th December 2018, 14:13

Hard to say for sure i know lorenzo couldn't consistently ride em fast, that said luca Caladora was similar style and he could shine on a 500GP as long as the tyres the track the suspension etc were all perfect alignment which wasnt often.
MM i honestly dont think so i know that will upset some but when the Honda power delivery was poor he was nowhere.
Stoner yeah he sure could as he was ex dirt track but hes not a current modern era rider either.
the modern camera angles make them look worse the old ones are not close in low angles like modern ones are.
We will see how good MM really is with George on the same bike, George is far better than Pedro ever was.

Stefan Bradl at 1m13s in the compilation vid. He must have flown 50m down the track before he hit the ground! Certainly gets the distance prize..

roogazza

28th December 2018, 14:58

Me too. Seems like it's almost unanimous.

It had to be,I'm Valentino !!!! I stay up late maybe thats it? :laugh::confused::bleh:

carbonhed

28th December 2018, 19:17

It had to be,I'm Valentino !!!! I stay up late maybe thats it? :laugh::confused::bleh:

Did you cheat... because that would be a guaranteed result. :rofl:

sugilite

29th December 2018, 05:02

Andrea Ianonne. At least I'm not Lorenzo I guess.
I must confess, I would not mind his bank account!

Did you cheat... because that would be a guaranteed result. :rofl:
Heeeey, hold it right there pal! Hmmmm hard not to notice your silence on who you got? :sherlock:
A Certain Italian who fell off your xmas card list a few years back per chance? :devil2:

roogazza

29th December 2018, 05:55

Did you cheat... because that would be a guaranteed result. :rofl:

I must confess, I would not mind his bank account!
Heeeey, hold it right there pal! Hmmmm hard not to notice your silence on who you got? :sherlock:
A Certain Italian who fell off your xmas card list a few years back per chance? :devil2:

heh heh, come on Carbon , out of the closet !!!!!!! :confused::laugh:

pritch

29th December 2018, 10:47

I must confess, I would not mind his bank account!

It was reported overnight our time that Italian Customs have seized Iannone's Bentley. That could make a sizeable dent in anybody's bank account.

carbonhed

29th December 2018, 17:21

heh heh, come on Carbon , out of the closet !!!!!!! :confused::laugh:

MM... I have no idea why.

Here's to all the 2019 rookies and Franco Morbidelli. Rock the joint next year!

And Jack Miller

Aaaaand good luck Johan Zarco... you're really going to need it.

george formby

29th December 2018, 17:26

Aaaaand good luck Johan Zarco... you're really going to need it.

I wonder what odds the TAB are giving for a Zarco back flip? I smoke and drink so might as well throw some money away on something else.

carbonhed

29th December 2018, 17:32

I wonder what odds the TAB are giving for a Zarco back flip? I smoke and drink so might as well throw some money away on something else.

Good question.

By the time he ever gets to do that again he'll be climbing off his mobility scooter. :-)

pritch

30th December 2018, 12:09

The 28th December in Spain and Spanish language countries is similar to April 1 in English speaking countries. I saw reports of MM using the number 1 plate, Pedro to F1, and there was a Stoner to KTM story.

Obviously you guys are far too switched on to be sucked in by any of this silliness. Although I’m just a bit worried about that Iannone story.