MotoGP 2018 [Archive] - Page 7

pritch

20th August 2018, 18:14

Yamaha have been testing, at Misano IIRC. They were reportedly working hard. Here's hoping they found something, but I guess we'll see at Silverstone this weekend - if Rossi doesn't say something first. Although Redding's recent 'can't put a shine on a turd' comments probably mean the PR people have been in everybody's ear over the last week.

BMWST?

20th August 2018, 21:05

WALRUS

21st August 2018, 09:52

Although Redding's recent 'can't put a shine on a turd' comments probably mean the PR people have been in everybody's ear over the last week.

Yes, I suspect that everyone will be on their best behaviour for the next round or two. A bit like after the Rossi v Biaggi pre-podium "tussle" in 2001. Everyone was a happy little vegemite for the next month or so haha!

pritch

22nd August 2018, 09:04

There was mention overnight that Yamaha have employed a new electronics engineer. Here's hoping that it was his efforts they were testing last weekend and that he's successful. We should get an idea this weekend?

Dadpole

22nd August 2018, 09:10

Baz to ride this weekend. :banana: http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2018/08/21/ktm-confirm-baz-will-race-at-silverstone/268739

Black Knight

22nd August 2018, 11:28

pritch

22nd August 2018, 14:41

Baz to ride this weekend. :banana:

Baz is thought to be a good pick. He knows the tyres, the electronics, and he likes the track.

And the weather? https://www.bbc.com/weather/2637827

pritch

22nd August 2018, 22:32

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opinion/motogp/rossi-s-solemn-silverstone-mission

carbonhed

23rd August 2018, 07:15

Baz is thought to be a good pick. He knows the tyres, the electronics, and he likes the track.

And the weather? https://www.bbc.com/weather/2637827

Holy crap! Decent weather..... maybe.

pritch

23rd August 2018, 09:55

WALRUS

23rd August 2018, 10:06

This is interesting, David Emmett has comments from several riders who stepped in to MotoGP as replacements. Michael Laverty's comment about Baz' size would seem key. Baz is way taller than Espagero and the bike won't be made to fit in a weekend.

https://motomatters.com/analysis/2018/08/22/waiting_for_the_call_camier_lowes_van.html

Just after his two round Avintia ride, Mike Jones was down here in Tassie competing at a 2hr endurance road race on a 1999 Ducati 996, up against guys on brand new R1's and ZX10's. He wore his Avinita leathers and absolutely smoked them! He said the same stuff to all the questions guys were throwing at him about tyres and learning tracks, etc etc. A really down-to-earth guy!

I think he went from ASBK to those two wildcard rides which scored him a factory Ducati ride in STK1000 alongside WSBK the next year. It can really work out well.

roogazza

23rd August 2018, 11:56

Holy crap! Decent weather..... maybe.

338610xxxxx actually they have been having a hot one haven't they ?

carbonhed

23rd August 2018, 16:52

338610xxxxx actually they have been having a hot one haven't they ?

Very. They've been dropping like flies :lol:

3 decent days... like... in a row :eek:

pritch

23rd August 2018, 22:57

First report I read said that Crutchlow has a new contract to ride for LCR until 2020. That seemed odd and it was. His contract is with HRC and the announcement was made by the president of HRC.
He will still be with the LCR team but is a factory rider.

Oh, and Bautista is to make an announcement about his future at Silverstone.

mulletman

24th August 2018, 04:48

Bautista off to WSBK

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2018/08/23/bautista-confirms-worldsbk-move-with-ducati-in-2019/268891

carbonhed

24th August 2018, 07:29

Bautista off to WSBK

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2018/08/23/bautista-confirms-worldsbk-move-with-ducati-in-2019/268891

Well that should perk things up! He's young and feisty enough not to just phone it in.

Drew

24th August 2018, 07:39

Well that should perk things up! He's young and feisty enough not to just phone it in.

He's in his thirties.

Dadpole

24th August 2018, 08:32

He's in his thirties.

In his head he is still 21.

The man is a class act and should do well there (given a decent bike)

malcy25

24th August 2018, 08:40

Bautista off to WSBK

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2018/08/23/bautista-confirms-worldsbk-move-with-ducati-in-2019/268891

Must mean good bye to Melandri?

Drew

24th August 2018, 09:26

Must mean good bye to Melandri?

He seems unwilling to work longer than two seasons for anyone.

WALRUS

24th August 2018, 10:08

Word is he's changing to Yamaha for WSBK 2019... But word is also that Sykes is heading to Yamaha so we'll see who Van Der Mark gets as a team mate.

The problem with the satellite teams, as far as I can see, is that their machines aren't up to the same standard and performance as the factory bikes so the less experienced riders get less performing rides, resulting in kinda crappy results which has got to suck for them because they've all got more talent in their little fingers than I have in my entire body.

Bautista, for example, former 125 world champion, got good results in 250's with a 4th, 2nd, and 4th in the championships of 2007, 2008, and 2009 respectively. He's been in the premier class since 2010 and has had a whole 3 podiums. That's got to suck for a proven winner! Same with Rabat, Luthi, etc.

A more level playing field would be great but I'm not sure exactly what it would take.

carbonhed

24th August 2018, 10:10

He's in his thirties.

Crikey! So he is. He looks about 12. Must be his altitude. :laugh:

pritch

24th August 2018, 10:31

Crikey! So he is. He looks about 12. Must be his altitude. :laugh:

I think it was Mathew Birt said that he has kept smiling through everything. Maybe that makes him appear younger.

george formby

24th August 2018, 18:27

Triumph Moto 2 bike on a dyno. No info on the numbers but it can sing.

https://youtu.be/xOqDtXLCUCs

BMWST?

24th August 2018, 18:49

Bautista is a loss to the motogp I reckon.He has good results when he has a half decent bike.i think he gives good feedback too as he seems to be able to get good results all through the season which must mean that he improves the bike all season long.
I know others may feel differently because he had had his fair share of incidents with top line riders.But that to me he must be up there pushing for a results

carbonhed

24th August 2018, 19:23

Triumph Moto 2 bike on a dyno. No info on the numbers but it can sing.

Can't wait for the lights to go out and the launch down to the first corner... it will sound epic.

carbonhed

25th August 2018, 11:54

Holy crap! Decent weather..... maybe.

Well that didn't last long.... motherfucker! Sunday rain.

https://www.bbc.com/weather/2637827

BMWST?

25th August 2018, 12:39

Apparently the bumps are worse than last year even though some resealing has happened.
2018 Silverstone MotoGP Friday Round Up: A Bumpy Track, A Yamaha Revival, And A Voice From Space (https://motomatters.com/analysis/2018/08/24/2018_silverstone_motogp_friday_round_up.html)

pritch

25th August 2018, 14:24

Apparently the bumps are worse than last year

I saw mention of bumps but didn't realise how serious the problem was - and the track has been resealed. Michelin took extra tyre options to Silverstone but I think that was more to do with the resealing and possibly the British weather.

pritch

26th August 2018, 08:33

Autech

26th August 2018, 08:59

Because of a dire weather forecast, and possibly a dangerous track surface, the MotoGP race has been brought forward. The race order will be MotoGP, Moto3, Moto2.

I haven't seen the detail yet but apparently things got very dangerous overnight and the forecast for the race is considerably worse. Cancellation is a possibility. I'll have to wait for the detail, I'm going for a ride this morning.Yup totally fucked up the resurface they did. Someone commented on crash "did they get a bunch of Irish travellers to do the job?" Lol.

Means I will be able to watch the race live though so bring on a dry race!

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Dadpole

26th August 2018, 09:57

"did they get a bunch of Irish travellers to do the job?" Lol.

That would explain a few things.

Bugger about Rabat. The lad has been having a stellar season so far.

AND - Lorenzo did not care a jot for the mixed conditions. The Lorenzo strut will be well justified now.

pritch

26th August 2018, 13:50

AND - Lorenzo did not care a jot for the mixed conditions. The Lorenzo strut will be well justified now.

Yeah about that. There was a message on Twitter to say there had been a schedule change and a link to the announcement on the MotoGP website. The fact that George was on pole was included in the announcement which was unnecessary. I just got back from a ride and haven't seen Qualifying yet.

They've worked through the night to try and get some drainage but you'd have to suspect that if it does rain there will be problems.

Autech

26th August 2018, 15:10

Yeah about that. There was a message on Twitter to say there had been a schedule change and a link to the announcement on the MotoGP website. The fact that George was on pole was included in the announcement which was unnecessary. I just got back from a ride and haven't seen Qualifying yet.

They've worked through the night to try and get some drainage but you'd have to suspect that if it does rain there will be problems.I can imagine the British work team. They would have spent half the night in a health and safety briefing before having a cup of tea and deciding its too hazardous to work in the dark :D

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carbonhed

26th August 2018, 17:50

Nasty series of crashes that took out Rabat. Rins could see it all unfolding and powerless to stop it.

Imagine having three bones broken in your leg! Mother of God... only the hard survive.

BMWST?

26th August 2018, 19:50

apparently the rain that caused the drainage problems and the subsequent aquaplaning was very very heavy.The forecast is for more normal rainfall supposedly after midday

mulletman

26th August 2018, 21:37

Its raining....MotoGP dry , started during moto3 and constant in moto2 but not heavy enough for standing water so far...grip levels are supposed
to be ok according to the commentators.

mulletman

26th August 2018, 22:29

Its pouring down and delayed..

Autech

26th August 2018, 22:36

Not looking good

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eelracing

26th August 2018, 22:53

What a shit hole.

ecko_nzed

26th August 2018, 23:05

What a shit hole.Yep, I've eaten me nibbles and drink me beer. Fuck this, I'm going to bed

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Autech

26th August 2018, 23:43

What a shit hole.Hear hear.

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Oscar

27th August 2018, 06:06

There was already a problem with the track before it rained.
Watch the slow mo of the bikes in practice, there is a high frequency ripple effect.

carbonhed

27th August 2018, 07:05

Bugger. I was surprised how utterly shit the UK metservice forecasts were... makes ours look relatively competent in comparison.

SaferRides

27th August 2018, 08:26

My son was there. Sat for 6 hours watching it rain.

They could have raced today but a couple of the teams said no. Let me guess, one would be Yamaha ...

Autech

27th August 2018, 08:36

There was already a problem with the track before it rained.
Watch the slow mo of the bikes in practice, there is a high frequency ripple effect.Yeah I noticed that, I wonder if Dorna were showing all those replays so us plebs would notice and give Silverstone shit so they will fix it.

Personally I would be getting the contractors back for another full resurface.

Glad I went to be at midnight, kiss cam wasn't that good

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WALRUS

27th August 2018, 09:58

I've seen a few people on FaceBrick calling for it to go back to Donington or for someone to revitalise and finish the Circuit of Wales project. That looked really promising before it died an unceremonious death (or two)

pritch

27th August 2018, 12:41

The BBC forecasts used to be famous for mentioning every possible weather combination without specifically picking any one. As soon as it was apparent there was a delay I hit the hay. Good choice.

The social media verdict is that the asphalt contracters were crap. "Irish travellers standard". Which may be just a bit racist. Problem is that having spent all that money on resurfacing, the track now needs resurfacing.

Autech

27th August 2018, 13:57

SaferRides

27th August 2018, 14:54

Lewis Hamilton wasn't impressed either: www.autosport.com/f1/news/137263/hamilton-hits-out-at-new-silverstone-surface

So no one thought to drive around the track after it had rained? Not that there's been much recently, but there must have been some earlier in the year.

EJK

27th August 2018, 15:04

So who won?

WALRUS

27th August 2018, 15:09

... Jesus won

SaferRides

27th August 2018, 19:19

So who won?

... no won

SaferRides

28th August 2018, 07:26

Found this on the GPOne website: https://www.gpone.com/en/2018/08/27/motogp/rabat-to-see-dr-mir-on-thursday-in-barcelona.html

mulletman

28th August 2018, 08:46

Found this on the GPOne website: www.gpone.com/en/2018/08/27/mo...-on-thursday-in-barcelona.html (http://www.gpone.com/en/2018/08/27/mo...-on-thursday-in-barcelona.html)

'Page not found'

https://www.gpone.com/en/2018/08/27/motogp/rabat-to-see-dr-mir-on-thursday-in-barcelona.html ?

SaferRides

28th August 2018, 08:56

'Page not found'

https://www.gpone.com/en/2018/08/27/motogp/rabat-to-see-dr-mir-on-thursday-in-barcelona.html ?

Try this: https://www.gpone.com/en/2018/08/27/motogp/rabat-to-see-dr-mir-on-thursday-in-barcelona.html

pritch

28th August 2018, 15:46

There has been a lot of grumbling from some British fans following the cancellation of the British GP. Fair enough; wet arse no fish and all that. Some wanted the race run regardless, others want their money back yesterday. The pundits are reassuring everybody that they will be looked after, the organisers are a professional body, even if there is a question mark over their asphalt contractors.

Mat Oxley's take on the situation regarding the race is here:
https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opinion/motogp/motogp-s-tail-wagging-dog

If you consider Oxley was being a bit tough on the promoters of the past, I think it was him posted a link to this as a look at the way things used to be. The last three paragraphs are a shocker. Mat Oxley did not like Vernon Cooper.
"Even when I was a callow youth of a racer I bore a special hatred for Vernon Cooper, just from what people told me about him. He was a horrible old-school, blazer-wearing twat that cost the lives of many racers."
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10692257

Stu Avant has chimed in on Facebook as well. His comments refer to Oxley's article in Motor Sport Magazine above.

merv

28th August 2018, 16:07

When the documentary on Kim aired a few years ago I did wonder about whether the poor bugger went and suffered target fixation because after the comment about the unprotected wall he went out later and hit it. Was so sad to lose such a good up and coming Kiwi at the time.

WALRUS

28th August 2018, 16:17

I don't know if anyone here remembers WSBK in Phillip Island, 2001? That got rained out and the second race cancelled after the majority of riders boycotted the race.. That was a proper daft weekend. On the inside of turn 3 (now known as Stoner Corner) there was a shot of a marshal standing on the apex of the bend with water up to his knees! WSS got canned half way through, they stacked two safety cars, bikes in the first race were just cruising about and most fell off. From memory, some were sliding from side to side half way down the straight just from aquaplaning.

It was the right call to cancel but some riders and team managers disagreed.

Interestingly, for me at least, the WSBK round in Silverstone had it's second race cancelled in 2008 (I know, I know, different series, different surface, different decade etc) but that was much worse than Silverstone was this year 'round.

It happens, unfortunately. As much as the fans are missing out on a show, think of all the teams and sponsors losing money too! It's never going to be a decision made lightly as everyone loses out. But it's the right call when people's lives are on the line.

SaferRides

29th August 2018, 21:25

Grumph

30th August 2018, 14:47

Maybe it's me, but this has seemed like a scary year in MotoGP. The close racing is great to watch, though at times they are very close to things going badly wrong.

I would not want Mike Webb's job for anything.

In a recent interview Mike said the hardest part was stopping the Moto3 riders from being dicks....

Historically probably the roughest riding ever seen was Brands Hatch in the 50's and 60's. the "Brands scratchers" were pretty rough.
A few kiwis went there and rode....then rode like that when they came home, LOL. At Ruapuna in the late 60's it was a body contact sport....

WALRUS

30th August 2018, 15:07

BSB in the early 2000's was pretty argy-bargy too!

pritch

30th August 2018, 20:53

Simon says...

http://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2018/08/28/what-does-crafar-think-of-the-new-moto2-triumph-engine/269971

SaferRides

30th August 2018, 21:55

Simon says...

http://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2018/08/28/what-does-crafar-think-of-the-new-moto2-triumph-engine/269971I think he liked it. :)

Good to see they are using him to ride bikes, bit like Martin Brundle in the Sky UK commentary team.

Dave-

31st August 2018, 00:45

Hey guys,

I was at Silverstone, it fucking sucked, fuck Silverstone.

roogazza

31st August 2018, 06:33

Hey guys,

I was at Silverstone, it fucking sucked, fuck Silverstone.

Along way to go for a wash Dave ?

lol I know how it feels Crashalot !
I qualified fastest at Porirua one year in the pissing rain.
A sidecar had an off and killed someone I think ?
The Meeting was canned. I didn't really care that much, hated getting wet lol. :yawn::mellow:

Dadpole

31st August 2018, 07:11

You know you are old if you raced at Porirua!

Meanwhile - Roll on Misano. This junkie is hanging out for his next fix. :sweatdrop

pritch

31st August 2018, 08:37

You know you are old if you raced at Porirua!

Are you still old if you were only a marshall at Porirua?

On Twitter this morning Mat Oxley made mention of needing a lawyer. Subsequent chatter indicated his comments about the asphalt contractor at Sliverstone were the cause of his problem.
Sadly only the sanitised version is available now: https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opinion/motogp/motogp-mutterings-2018-british-grand-prix

Dadpole

31st August 2018, 08:53

Are you still old if you were only a marshall at Porirua?

Older than someone who was a mere spectator?

roogazza

31st August 2018, 09:01

You know you are old if you raced at Porirua!

Meanwhile - Roll on Misano. This junkie is hanging out for his next fix. :sweatdrop

That's right Dadpole, I did them all (apart from the cancelled one). First was in about 1971 ? :baby:

Yes roll on the next GP, we're all hanging out huh ? :rolleyes:

SaferRides

31st August 2018, 22:36

Well, despite the brave words from Silverstone, my son has heard nothing this week about a refund. My guess is their insurance won't cover them because it was their own fault that the race was cancelled.

As usual, the real winners will be the lawyers.

Dadpole

1st September 2018, 08:01

I wonder if the Silverstone lot will try to hide behind a force majeure clause (I expect there was one)?

SaferRides

1st September 2018, 08:54

They are talking to their insurance company. Could be a long discussion.

roogazza

1st September 2018, 09:15

I wonder if the Silverstone lot will try to hide behind a force majeure clause (I expect there was one)?

haha Dad, maybe ? Act of god, or shitty re surface ? This could take a while and could cost Silverstone lots,including holding another GP.
Always been a fan of Donington anyway. Some great GPs there thru the years.

More importantly for me, it pissed down here early today so no ride again ! @#$$%(&%$#@^&$#$# !!!

Dadpole

1st September 2018, 09:44

pritch

1st September 2018, 11:26

More importantly for me, it pissed down here early today so no ride again ! @#$$%(&%$#@^&$#$# !!!

Yesterday was very nice here and I went for a ride in the morning. There are rides on today and tomorrow but I'll pass on those, weather is OK though. If it's fine next week I'll head out in search of good coffee.

SaferRides

1st September 2018, 21:25

Warm, spring day in the north Waikato. Could feel the tyres gripping again. :)

Dave-

3rd September 2018, 23:45

Along way to go for a wash Dave ?

Not far from Brum, caught a coach 2 hours each way? would have been an awesome idea if there had been a race.

roogazza

4th September 2018, 06:48

Not far from Brum, caught a coach 2 hours each way? would have been an awesome idea if there had been a race.

I immediately thought of my many sojourns to Italy every year. 29 hours of flying and airports etc.(then back again). Since 2004, Mugello has been very lucky and maybe only a couple of GPs that have had drizzle and that was on practice days. :mellow::laugh:

WALRUS

4th September 2018, 10:13

I have enjoyed the Internet fury over this debacle, including cries to move the GP to another track as punishment.

My favourite has been to finish (or even start) the Wales track... :laugh: We know that would never get rained out. They could make the surface out of mesh suspended over a fucking deep drainage channel.

Did you see any of the comments on the post-cancellation press conference. Loris finished answering a question about whether or not the Ducati team was asked (after the same guy asking it 3 or so times) and then the stream finished. Suddenly the comment feed erupted with "THEY STOPPED THE STREAM TO COVER THEIR LIES!!" and crap to that effect! People really got worked up about the whooole thing!

Personally, I just sat back and watched! The folks calling for Silverstone to be punished for the weather really got me. Whether it was financially (some people were calling for the circuit to be sued on FaceBrick) or changing to another circuit, it was all just such a load of bollocks. Whilst I'd love to see the GP back at Donington or over at the vacant plot of land which is "The Circuit of Wales", it's just such an overreaction IMHO.

The Wales circuit looked like a promising project and I'm disappointed it died the death it did but you're right, they would have needed Super-Drainage-5000 with all the rain they'd cop!

pritch

4th September 2018, 12:42

As posted previously Mat Oxley was threatened with legal action by the asphalt contractors. I thought he was laying low, but overnight he came back with a long series of quotes on Twitter. Quotes from Race Direction, the various teams, and some of the riders. All making the point that the track was unsafe due to standing water.

I hope Motor Sport Magazine print his remarks but... The contractor is owned by a conglomerate, the sort that hire lawyers to silence any news they don't like, although in this case that may just cause them learn the meaning of the phrase "the Streisand effect".

Dadpole

4th September 2018, 14:33

To me, the Circuit of Wales always look too much like a scheme to enrichen the promoters at the expense of government and local councils. The head banana got a lot of money in 'consultancy fees' and a lot of (non-binding) promises were made. Nice work if you can get it. :drool:

WALRUS

4th September 2018, 15:42

Unfortunately I fear you may be correct.

pritch

6th September 2018, 10:03

Overnight our time a group of five MotoGP riders along with other team members were presented to the Pope at the vatican. I'm sure the Italian and Spanish riders knew how to behave, but Jack Miller?

Do the other riders consider a blessing by the Pope to be an unfair advantage.:innocent: Marquez doesn't need such a boost, but Pedro could use it.

Drew

6th September 2018, 17:15

jasonu

7th September 2018, 13:11

Autech

7th September 2018, 14:24

Did the pope or any of his cohorts try to molest any of them?

Motogp riders, not Moto3 riders...

Very wise of Dorna I say...

ecko_nzed

7th September 2018, 14:54

Motogp riders, not Moto3 riders...

Very wise of Dorna I say...I dunno, Dani looks like a 14 year old.

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pritch

8th September 2018, 08:41

Mat Oxley wrote overnight that he has written a follow-up piece on the events surrounding the Sliverstone GP. The piece won't appear until tomorrow though because it first has to be cleared by the lawyers.

It's a strange world we are living in.

Autech

8th September 2018, 19:14

I dunno, Dani looks like a 14 year old.

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carbonhed

9th September 2018, 08:53

Back to "plan A" for Lorenzo on Sunday then?

pritch

9th September 2018, 16:21

Back to "plan A" for Lorenzo on Sunday then?

Marquez is quoted as saying that Ducati have an acceleration advantage at Misano, but he says that they will lose that as their tyres wear.

It's almost wine o clock, better put the bike away.

carbonhed

9th September 2018, 16:56

Marquez is quoted as saying that Ducati have an acceleration advantage at Misano, but he says that they will lose that as their tyres wear.

It's almost wine o clock, better put the bike away.

Those are the two most likely candidates. With Miller and Vinales on the front row with him I can see Lorenzo getting a gap early... Marquez is a riding God though.

Looking forward to it.

Dadpole

9th September 2018, 18:54

Dovi
Marquez
Lorenzo

Remember - you heard it here....

Autech

9th September 2018, 19:40

How good was that scooter rider?

JL for the win tonight if I were putting money down, the days of AD beating him on track are over

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BMWST?

9th September 2018, 20:22

mm and jl.I think the yammies will be up there at first but will smoke the tyres.I want love to see JM on the podium but i cant see him footing it with JL AD and MM.I think MM will play the waiting game this time

carbonhed

9th September 2018, 20:40

How good was that scooter rider?

JL for the win tonight if I were putting money down, the days of AD beating him on track are over

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Italians + scooters.......... :laugh:

JL > AD.

onearmedbandit

10th September 2018, 00:05

Goodbye Fenati...

https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=ChVDV_1536494553&p=1

mulletman

10th September 2018, 02:57

Goodbye Fenati...

https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=ChVDV_1536494553&p=1

They were doing some stupid shit...but yeah laters Fenati like forever.

mulletman

10th September 2018, 05:10

https://www.autosport.com/moto2/news/138608/fenati-handed-tworace-ban-for-brake-grab

2 race ban only :angry:

Autech

10th September 2018, 09:10

https://www.autosport.com/moto2/news/138608/fenati-handed-tworace-ban-for-brake-grab

2 race ban only :angry:

Cunt needs a life time ban. Though the bike he fiddled with is the one he's supposed to be on next year. I'll be getting the popcorn out to see how that goes for the fuck. :corn:

WALRUS

10th September 2018, 09:36

Crutchlow's opinion was pretty on point..

It's one thing to have a spat with someone which results in some argy-bargy but to reach across and grab someone's front brake, that's just fucked..

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2018/09/09/fenati-penalty-italian-suspended-from-two-grands-prix/271258

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaHKhG3Wsak

roogazza

10th September 2018, 10:13

It's one thing to have a spat with someone which results in some argy-bargy but to reach across and grab someone's front brake, that's just fucked..

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2018/09/09/fenati-penalty-italian-suspended-from-two-grands-prix/271258

Fenati has a history of doing silly shit and losing rides. Must be that hot Italian blood and red mist ?

Jeeesus yamaha. I've been hoping there'd be a turn a round ,but nah nuttin !!!!!!! :no::confused::shifty:

WALRUS

10th September 2018, 10:27

Fenati has a history of doing silly shit and losing rides. Must be that hot Italian blood and red mist ?

Very true.. He really is one very tenacious cock womble, isn't he?

EJK

10th September 2018, 12:14

Crutchlow for president!

pritch

10th September 2018, 12:25

Mat Oxley mentioned that in days of yore during endurance races it was considered a great joke to reach across and press the kill switch on a competitors bike, usually on the Mulsanne Straight. Fenati would never have heard of that though, and he wasn't joking.

When he arrived on the scene they said he was special. I didn't realise they meant special needs. He was already in the Last Chance Saloon and he should be gone.

Was watching a boxing match once. There was a guy from Canterbury and an Aucklander I think. The Aucklander had been getting a hiding and decided he'd had enough. When the bell rang to start the next round he stayed on his stool. After some hesitation the Canterbury dude went over and started to hit the seated boxer. Auckland man leaped off his stool and aimed a flying kick at his opponent. At that point the ref jumped in to break up the fray so he became the target of some punches. While this was all going on somebody in the Auckland corner tossed a towel into the ring.

A very exciting sporting TV moment, it had me out of my seat. The announcement that a lfetime ban had been imposed did not take long.

It's just a bit surprising that the FIM stewards think a two race ban covers Fenati's misdeed.

WALRUS

10th September 2018, 12:33

Mat Oxley mentioned that in days of yore during endurance races it was considered a great joke to reach across and press the kill switch on a competitors bike.

Also a fun game to play at traffic lights with your mates

Autech

10th September 2018, 12:59

Also a fun game to play at traffic lights with your matesMy mate upped the anti one day and grabbed the keys then fucked off lol

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merv

10th September 2018, 13:15

Jeeesus yamaha. I've been hoping there'd be a turn a round ,but nah nuttin !!!!!!! :no::confused::shifty:

Yeah Gaz, I would have said it was about time they got real and built a V4 engine for next year except for the fact that Rins and the Suzuki didn't do too bad for an inline and Suzuki never really mastered the V4 in the GSVR days either.

WALRUS

10th September 2018, 13:27

My mate upped the anti one day and grabbed the keys then fucked off lol

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My brother tried to do that to me on the 996 once. That was the day he learned that the key barrel isn't on the triple clamp like most modern bikes haha. He gave up and just hit the kill switch instead, which is enough of a gamble on an old Duc'! Who knows if it will start again!? Haha!

ACTUALLY... Didn't Fenati do that to someone a year or two ago??

Yes, yes he did!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7fep8y0X2w

husaberg

10th September 2018, 14:21

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=20&v=9h3LvcY2CJs

European press is reporting that ex-EBR WSB racer Niccolò Canepa (now racing a Ducati for Althea Racing) is facing a criminal charge in court as a result of an incident at a track day at Mugello in September of 2013. The video below has emerged and appears to show Canepa slapping the front brake lever of a track day participant, apparently due to an argument. Davide Cappato goes down and breaks his collarbone in the crash shown.
http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2015/07/shocking-video-relates-to-on-track-assault-charges-against-ex-ebr-racer-niccolo-canepa/

ecko_nzed

10th September 2018, 15:31

Stolen from Facebookhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180910/1f9f08808760c0f0bc798c5b92eed707.jpg

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Dadpole

10th September 2018, 16:30

Dovi for the win... Was I right or what? What my crystal bollock did not foretell is what a knobend Fenati could be. A two race ban is a joke. :angry:

carbonhed

10th September 2018, 16:41

Dovi for the win... Was I right or what? What my crystal bollock did not foretell is what a knobend Fenati could be. A two race ban is a joke. :angry:

Nice work!

JL < AD.

Maybe Fenati needs his crystal bollocks removing to calm him down? Probably with a hedge trimmer.

pritch

10th September 2018, 21:24

Y'all will be aware Fenati was headed to MV Agusta next year.

Here is the statement from MV Agusta. The English looks a bit odd but the writer is Italian after all, he gets his point across though.

As written:

" This has been the worst and saddest thing I ever seen in a bike race. True sportsmen would never act this way. If I would be Dorna I would ban him from world racing.

Regarding is contract for a future position as rider of MV Agusta Moto 2 , I will oppose myself in every way to stop it. It won't happen."

pritch

10th September 2018, 23:13

Team Marinelli Snipers have announced that Fenati’s contract is cancelled with immediate effect.

So the teams have done what the FIM stewards probably should have done.

ps I’ve no idea where that smiley face came from.

WALRUS

11th September 2018, 09:45

Yeah, he's gone.. If Dorna and FIM won't do it, he's done it himself. No contract for the rest of the year, no contract for next year, he'd have lost momentum by then and will find it jolly hard to get picked up again. Also, nobody would want to hire him. He's royally fucked his own career!

Autech

11th September 2018, 09:52

Dovi for the win... Was I right or what?

Didn't see that coming tbh I think JL could have given him a shot if it weren't for MM doing battle giving him a gap.
Thats racing though!

Yeah, he's gone.. If Dorna and FIM won't do it, he's done it himself. No contract for the rest of the year, no contract for next year, he'd have lost momentum by then and will find it jolly hard to get picked up again. Also, nobody would want to hire him. He's royally fucked his own career!

Yup couldn't fuck up more than that!

I do wonder whether a low budget team struggling to attract a talented rider like Fenati might take a punt on him, it wont be a front running bike though so he's as good as toast.

sidecar bob

11th September 2018, 10:28

Didn't see that coming tbh I think JL could have given him a shot if it weren't for MM doing battle giving him a gap.
Thats racing though!

Yup couldn't fuck up more than that!

I do wonder whether a low budget team struggling to attract a talented rider like Fenati might take a punt on him, it wont be a front running bike though so he's as good as toast.

Ajo could have died, that would have been more of a fuck up.
Has he commented his take on the debacle?

WALRUS

11th September 2018, 10:52

Has he commented his take on the debacle?

Yup

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2018/09/10/romano-fenati-apologises/271453

sidecar bob

11th September 2018, 17:38

Yup

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2018/09/10/romano-fenati-apologises/271453

Yeah, I'd read that, what about Ajo?

BMWST?

11th September 2018, 19:02

Yeah, I'd read that, what about Ajo?

you mean Manzi???? Ajo was the fella he kicked a couple of seasons ago??

sidecar bob

11th September 2018, 19:23

you mean Manzi???? Ajo was the fella he kicked a couple of seasons ago??

Ahh sorry, I got his violent outbursts confused, yes, that's the fella.

AllanB

11th September 2018, 19:52

The real failure here is the governing body not acting hard enough. FFS a two week ban - is that because the other rider did not fall off and break something?

Grumph

11th September 2018, 20:13

The real failure here is the governing body not acting hard enough. FFS a two week ban - is that because the other rider did not fall off and break something?

Probably - but also possibly because there's not a lot of heavier penalties in the book.

If it happened here for example at a round of the Nats, from memory it's a fine and/or exclusion from the results.
I don't think we could exclude someone from subsequent rounds unless a fine remained unpaid - or there was a civil charge lodged as part of the outcome of the incident. Or the jury hearing the incident took the rider's licence away....

Licence removal is probably our and the FIM's last resort. Any largely amateur organisation is going to be wary of removing it from a professional.

AllanB

11th September 2018, 20:18

Probably - but also possibly because there's not a lot of heavier penalties in the book.

If it happened here for example at a round of the Nats, from memory it's a fine and/or exclusion from the results.
I don't think we could exclude someone from subsequent rounds unless a fine remained unpaid - or there was a civil charge lodged as part of the outcome of the incident. Or the jury hearing the incident took the rider's licence away....

Licence removal is probably our and the FIM's last resort. Any largely amateur organisation is going to be wary of removing it from a professional.

All good points and following that, the powers that be would never have considered something like that would happen at the top level, thus the potential lack of sanctions in the rule book.

BMWST?

11th September 2018, 21:26

i suspect we have not heard the last of this.The FIM mat yet revoke his licence.Motogp reace direction have probably done all they can as far as the race is concerned

pritch

12th September 2018, 09:02

i suspect we have not heard the last of this.The FIM mat yet revoke his licence.Motogp reace direction have probably done all they can as far as the race is concerned

Apparently the two race suspension was issued by the FIM stewards not Race Direction.

Fenati has been summoned to FIM HQ where the matter will be discussed prior to finalising any further penalty.

One commentator Charlie Hiscott (?) made the case that Fenati is young and we all make mistakes. It seems he may have been inundated with hostile replies to the effect that this was Fenati's third incident.

Overnight Fenati announced that he will never race again.

So yes, we will likely hear more of this.

malcy25

12th September 2018, 11:31

Probably - but also possibly because there's not a lot of heavier penalties in the book.

If it happened here for example at a round of the Nats, from memory it's a fine and/or exclusion from the results.
I don't think we could exclude someone from subsequent rounds unless a fine remained unpaid - or there was a civil charge lodged as part of the outcome of the incident. Or the jury hearing the incident took the rider's licence away....

Licence removal is probably our and the FIM's last resort. Any largely amateur organisation is going to be wary of removing it from a professional.

I need to go read up, but in a situation like this here in NZ now, probably excluded etc on the day by the steward, and then referred to the board for further action / penalty to be discussed and applied.

WALRUS

12th September 2018, 11:58

A mate sent me this on FaceBrick haha

https://preview.ibb.co/jppTn9/41542277_2323379104357816_5061229280248201216_n.jp g

jasonu

12th September 2018, 12:17

Probably - but also possibly because there's not a lot of heavier penalties in the book.

If it happened here for example at a round of the Nats, from memory it's a fine and/or exclusion from the results.
I don't think we could exclude someone from subsequent rounds unless a fine remained unpaid - or there was a civil charge lodged as part of the outcome of the incident. Or the jury hearing the incident took the rider's licence away....

Licence removal is probably our and the FIM's last resort. Any largely amateur organisation is going to be wary of removing it from a professional.

If it happened in NZ I'm pretty sure someone would receive at least one punch in the face.

husaberg

12th September 2018, 12:44

WALRUS

12th September 2018, 15:27

Developments on Fenati

http://www.mcnews.com.au/romano-fenati-apologises-loses-2019-moto2-ride/

IMF have yoinked his licence

Cosmik de Bris

12th September 2018, 15:30

Grumph

12th September 2018, 19:34

I need to go read up, but in a situation like this here in NZ now, probably excluded etc on the day by the steward, and then referred to the board for further action / penalty to be discussed and applied.

I think you're right - but imagine it happens at the first of two rounds on successive weekends....And there's no time to convene the board....

It would be a brave Roadrace Commissioner or senior Steward who'd stop them riding without benefit of a hearing.

If the Italian Federation have acted, that's the neatest way out. No need to get the FIM involved. But I would point out that way back, when one National federation stripped licences off a group of riders, they were able to get new ones from another country....Doubt if it would happen now though, LOL.

russd7

12th September 2018, 19:50

also been reported that criminal proceedings are being considered by the local police due to the nature of the incident but I now cant find a link to the article i read it on

husaberg

12th September 2018, 20:53

also been reported that criminal proceedings are being considered by the local police due to the nature of the incident but I now cant find a link to the article i read it on
https://www.motorcyclesports.net/motogp/italian-justice-analyzes-fenati-can-be-charged-with-attempted-murder/

https://jalopnik.com/racer-who-grabbed-another-riders-brake-lever-could-be-i-1828964861

SaferRides

12th September 2018, 22:49

Dovi
Marquez
Lorenzo

Remember - you heard it here....Well done. I would have swapped Dovi and JLo.

Drew

13th September 2018, 06:23

Dadpole

13th September 2018, 08:16

I would have swapped Dovi and JLo.

I considered that, but saw this as almost the last chance for Dovi to get on top of Lorenzo and break his momentum and self-belief. A case of throw everything at 99 (including the kitchen sink and even himself)

9-Fingers was all set to dominate second place in the standings and steam off in pursuit of Marquez. Now he has dropped a bollock and has to work even harder to keep to his master plan.

Autech

13th September 2018, 08:45

I considered that, but saw this as almost the last chance for Dovi to get on top of Lorenzo and break his momentum and self-belief. A case of throw everything at 99 (including the kitchen sink and even himself)

9-Fingers was all set to dominate second place in the standings and steam off in pursuit of Marquez. Now he has dropped a bollock and has to work even harder to keep to his master plan.

It wasn't really Dovi that beat JL rather JL that let him.
JL ran wide and let MM through which gave Dovi a chance to break away as they did big battles. I think if JL was up with Dovi he would have made that Italian puta bow down to his greatness as we all should.

malcy25

13th September 2018, 09:24

I think you're right - but imagine it happens at the first of two rounds on successive weekends....And there's no time to convene the board....

It would be a brave Roadrace Commissioner or senior Steward who'd stop them riding without benefit of a hearing.

If the Italian Federation have acted, that's the neatest way out. No need to get the FIM involved. But I would point out that way back, when one National federation stripped licences off a group of riders, they were able to get new ones from another country....Doubt if it would happen now though, LOL.

I had a quick read
7.1.8 The Steward may, at his/her discretion, refer Complaints of a more serious nature
to the Judiciary Committee.
7.1.9 Any decision of the Steward (regardless of whether it is disciplinary or not) may be
appealed by an affected party to the Judiciary Committee under Rule 7.3.2(a).

Big section on Judiciary and penalties well worth a read if you have spare few hours. Seems a steward could exclude from a series. But don't quote - me, need to go back and read up properly.

7.4.2 Decisions of the Steward or the Protest Committee may include any or all of the
following penalties:
a. a reprimand or warning;
b. a fine of not more than $500, to be paid to MNZ;
c. relegation in the current race and/or series in which the conduct
occurred;
d. exclusion from the race and/or meeting and/or series in which the
conduct occurred; and/or
e. referral to the MNZ Judiciary for imposition of penalty;
f. Time penalty

Grumph

13th September 2018, 12:00

Reading that lot , it'd be an automatic appeal. And unless there's pretty strong video or multi eyewitness reports it'd still be touch and go...I'm reminded of Kevin McCleary's axiom when protested or ruled against... "Make the bastards prove it".
Still a good one to work to.

jasonu

13th September 2018, 12:03

Developments on Fenati

http://www.mcnews.com.au/romano-fenati-apologises-loses-2019-moto2-ride/

IMF have yoinked his licence

Prolly dedicated his whole life to get to this point and now it's all gone. What a muppet.

jasonu

13th September 2018, 12:06

It would be a brave Roadrace Commissioner or senior Steward who'd stop them riding without benefit of a hearing..

It would be a brave competitor to do something like that then show his face the next day.

WALRUS

13th September 2018, 12:38

Thoughts?

https://www.motorcyclesports.net/motogp/italian-justice-analyzes-fenati-can-be-charged-with-attempted-murder/

pritch

13th September 2018, 13:04

Thoughts?

The Italians can be funny like that. I seem to recall them wanting to charge some scientists for failing to predict an earthquake which had caused death and destruction.

Wanting to charge Fenati seems almost sane in comparison. Almost.

Dadpole

13th September 2018, 13:53

The Italians bring charges...
The Americans sue everyone in the vicinity...

Which is the madder system? :wacko:

carbonhed

13th September 2018, 14:52

From Matt Oxley... "Valentino Rossi finally said it. After finishing a miserable seventh on Sunday in front of his adoring fans, the seven-time MotoGP champion wondered aloud: “Ducati and Honda have V4 engines; we have an inline four – maybe this is the problem…”

Maybe time to finally say it "Rossi and Vinales... who chose the latest engine... have no fucking clue what the problem is... this is the problem"

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opinion/motogp/could-v4-m1-be-valentino-rossi-s-silver-bullet

Mental Trousers

13th September 2018, 15:10

Thoughts?

https://www.motorcyclesports.net/motogp/italian-justice-analyzes-fenati-can-be-charged-with-attempted-murder/

Even if they don't charge him it serves to emphasis the fact you don't do that shit. Although I would've thought they'd charge him with some form of assault instead.

From Matt Oxley... "Valentino Rossi finally said it. After finishing a miserable seventh on Sunday in front of his adoring fans, the seven-time MotoGP champion wondered aloud: “Ducati and Honda have V4 engines; we have an inline four – maybe this is the problem…”

Maybe time to finally say it "Rossi and Vinales... who chose the latest engine... have no fucking clue what the problem is... this is the problem"

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opinion/motogp/could-v4-m1-be-valentino-rossi-s-silver-bullet

They appear to be having problems all over at the moment. All 4 riders are having different issues. Might be time for a complete redesign.

Drew

13th September 2018, 15:57

merv

13th September 2018, 16:09

They appear to be having problems all over at the moment. All 4 riders are having different issues. Might be time for a complete redesign.

Haha, what did I say three days ago https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/184024-MotoGP-2018?p=1131109581#post1131109581

pritch

13th September 2018, 16:12

Maybe time to finally say it "Rossi and Vinales... who chose the latest engine... have no fucking clue what the problem is... this is the problem"

Yamaha are on the brink of setting a new record, their longest run without a win. Right now the riders will be desperate and looking anywhere and everywhere for a solution. One win though and things will look much betterer. Trouble is that win doesn't look likely any time soon.

Oxley seems to have a point with his argument for an optional engine upgrade during the season.

carbonhed

13th September 2018, 17:06

Yamaha are on the brink of setting a new record, their longest run without a win. Right now the riders will be desperate and looking anywhere and everywhere for a solution. One win though and things will look much betterer. Trouble is that win doesn't look likely any time soon.

Oxley seems to have a point with his argument for an optional engine upgrade during the season.

Phillip Island? Dunno, clutching at straws here. All they have to do is beat MM, AD and JL... plus Crutchlow who is riding really well at the moment... and Rins.

Still things could be worse... they could be KTM :laugh: but you'd have to be stupid to write KTM off for the win apparently... any day now... any day nooooow.

Dadpole

13th September 2018, 17:33

We will throw out a championship winning engine and all the knowledge about it and have a go at a V4. I think someone is having a laugh :whistle:

BMWST?

13th September 2018, 19:00

Grumph

13th September 2018, 19:14

this suggests to me that VR ISNT a good development rider.....It seems they have completely lost the plot since JL has left whilst Ducati are going places here to fore not imagined.It could be co incidental but i dont think it is.

Disagree. IMO it's a result of the design life cycles. Ducati have finally found the sweet spot which means more than one person can ride it...They've never been short of HP. Yamaha have lost their way. Not the first time either. Look at the last years of the 500's. In pure theory, an inline 4 is always going to be lighter than a V4. I don't know if that is a significant factor now as in how hard to reach are the minimum weights...

merv

13th September 2018, 20:07

Disagree. IMO it's a result of the design life cycles. Ducati have finally found the sweet spot which means more than one person can ride it...They've never been short of HP. Yamaha have lost their way. Not the first time either. Look at the last years of the 500's. In pure theory, an inline 4 is always going to be lighter than a V4. I don't know if that is a significant factor now as in how hard to reach are the minimum weights...

Basically the weight limits have been raised over the years so the manufacturers could easily make the bikes lighter. Remember the first year of the 1000cc in 2012 when Honda and Yamaha had to add 4kg due to a late rule change. The first bike was 153kg so I can't see an issue with the weight of a V4.

https://www.motorcyclenews.com/sport/motogp/2012/march/mar0512-honda-and-yamaha-angry-at-weight-increase-/

merv

13th September 2018, 20:12

this suggests to me that VR ISNT a good development rider.....It seems they have completely lost the plot since JL has left whilst Ducati are going places here to fore not imagined.It could be co incidental but i dont think it is.

Yep, his fix at Ducati in seconds never happened and now this with Yamaha. At least with the fiasco at Ducati he had Jerry Burgess with him.

The crap Rossi caused by going all dog after Phillip Island in 2015 showed he had lost it, and any idea of a mind game against Marc has just totally backfired on him and I suspect he is more the issue than the bike and they are chasing of lost setup improvement.

Yamaha should employ Stoner as test rider and see what he can do with the bike.

BMWST?

13th September 2018, 20:29

Disagree. IMO it's a result of the design life cycles. Ducati have finally found the sweet spot which means more than one person can ride it...They've never been short of HP. Yamaha have lost their way. Not the first time either. Look at the last years of the 500's. In pure theory, an inline 4 is always going to be lighter than a V4. I don't know if that is a significant factor now as in how hard to reach are the minimum weights...
i am not sure what you are getting at here.It is not about the weight of the bike.The theory is that the flywheel(or flywheel effect) is too light on the Yammie,same as suzuki a couple of years ago and honda the year before that.The v4s can offset that a bit because they can change the flywheels(external to the selas) but on an inline 4 its in the middle of the engine.Couldnt they add mass to the clutch basket???

pritch

13th September 2018, 20:49

Couldnt they add mass to the clutch basket???

I've seen that idea suggested but the verdict was that adding weight there could cause reliability problems. If random dudes on the 'Net can think of it I'm sure the Yamaha design engineers have considered it. The light flywheel problem could be controlled by electronics, Yamaha now have an ex Magnetti Marelli engineer so maybe he can sort things, they're hoping. So am I.

It's a long stretch to blame Rossi for Yamaha cheaping out when it came to poaching an engineer.

BMWST?

13th September 2018, 21:46

I've seen that idea suggested but the verdict was that adding weight there could cause reliability problems. If random dudes on the 'Net can think of it I'm sure the Yamaha design engineers have considered it. The light flywheel problem could be controlled by electronics, Yamaha now have an ex Magnetti Marelli engineer so maybe he can sort things, they're hoping. So am I.

It's a long stretch to blame Rossi for Yamaha cheaping out when it came to poaching an engineer.
one could argue that a man with rossis experience may have said something about the power delivery /throttle response when he first rode the bike

Dadpole

13th September 2018, 22:12

This is when the limit on testing comes back to bite bums. Suzuki/Iannone (reportedly) chose the wrong engine last year and had to live with it. Honda had a similar issue in the past. More testing time may help reduce these type of mistakes/dead end paths but that has gone under the cost-reduction regime.

pritch

14th September 2018, 09:37

one could argue that a man with rossis experience may have said something about the power delivery /throttle response when he first rode the bike

We don't know that he didn't. David Emmett has written up an interview with Rossi's data technician but you only get a few paragraphs free and I haven't paid - yet.

https://motomatters.com/interview/2018/09/13/interview_valentino_rossi_s_data.html

roogazza

14th September 2018, 11:23

Maybe Oxley is onto something with the V4 thing?

Remember when Rossi went to Yamaha and then picked the engine he wanted in 2004 ?
Just maybe the bike has just run its course after 14 yrs ?
It has never been over powered like a Doocati has it .

Rule changes and Michelins may have nailed up the coffin ?
(speaking from my couch and not being a technician). :shifty:

BMWST?

14th September 2018, 17:11

We don't know that he didn't. David Emmett has written up an interview with Rossi's data technician but you only get a few paragraphs free and I haven't paid - yet.

https://motomatters.com/interview/2018/09/13/interview_valentino_rossi_s_data.html
and thats true too.I have paid...i will tell you what is (breifly)said

pritch

15th September 2018, 09:07

There has been a brief but formal announcement that the FIM have provisionally suspended the racing licence of Ant West following a failed drug test.

Dadpole

15th September 2018, 18:32

From the "You can't keep a good man down" file.
http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2018/09/14/rabat-i-d-really-like-to-go-to-thailand/271572

SaferRides

15th September 2018, 20:04

From the "You can't keep a good man down" file.
http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2018/09/14/rabat-i-d-really-like-to-go-to-thailand/271572Looks like he'll come right, which is great news. It was just horrible watching that happen.

WALRUS

18th September 2018, 09:32

Another article about Rossi pondering the merits of a V4..

https://www.motorcyclenews.com/sport/motogp/2018/september/motogp-rossi-floats-the-idea-of-radical-yamaha-switch-/

Also more Fenati news

https://www.motorcyclenews.com/sport/motogp/2018/september/moto2-fenati-summoned-to-fim-as-cardelus-replaces-him/

pritch

18th September 2018, 11:44

A couple of records could be set on Sunday. If Yamaha lose it will be the most races without a win since they first entered the premier class. Oxley says it won't be easy for them because on the long main straight at Aragon the bikes accelerate from 50mph to 210mph. That's not where Yamaha have excelled.

That straight might suit the Ducati rather better. If Ducati win it will be the first time they have won four GPs in a row.

roogazza

18th September 2018, 17:45

I don't think I can ever remember Yamaha having a horsepower advantage in the 4 stroke era ?

Thats the area Honda and Doocati have taken turns at ?/ No ?

Weather is looking good for a fang tomorrow pritch,I'll be out for sure burning fossil fuels,smoking cigars and generally disobeying laws (at times. ) :bleh::laugh::msn-wink::rolleyes:

pritch

18th September 2018, 18:52

I don't think I can ever remember Yamaha having a horsepower advantage in the 4 stroke era ?

Weather is looking good for a fang tomorrow pritch,I'll be out for sure burning fossil fuels,smoking cigars and generally disobeying laws (at times. ) :bleh::laugh::msn-wink::rolleyes:

Yamaha at the behest of Burgess went for 'rideability' rather than horsepower. Burgess said it along the lines of, there's usually only one straight but there's a lot of corners.

I'm just a tad jealous of your day, I'll only get a short ride to the workshop tomorrow. The bike is booked in for fork seals. And no, I wasn't doing wheelies.:innocent:

But I can permit myself a vinho tinto with dinner tomorrow.

BMWST?

18th September 2018, 19:13

Yamaha at the behest of Burgess went for 'rideability' rather than horsepower. Burgess said it along the lines of, there's usually only one straight but there's a lot of corners.

I'm just a tad jealous of your day, I'll only get a short ride to the workshop tomorrow. The bike is booked in for fork seals. And no, I wasn't doing wheelies.:innocent:

But I can permit myself a vinho tinto with dinner tomorrow.

have two glasses mate!

merv

18th September 2018, 20:35

I don't think I can ever remember Yamaha having a horsepower advantage in the 4 stroke era ?

Nor in the 2 stroke era either once Honda dropped the NR 4 stroke and the NS 2 stroke triple, the subsequent single crank NSR Hondas had the power advantage right through to the 4 stroke MotoGP era but Yamaha won a few championships with Lawson and Rainey in that time because of their handling advantage until Mick showed them that had faded too.

SaferRides

18th September 2018, 23:08

Autech

19th September 2018, 00:42

There's a few tracks coming up where Ducati might not do so well, starting with Aragon.

Plus they won't have Lorenzo for much longer. Something tells me that Dovi and Petrux won't be quite the same.

It would be nice if Dani could win a race in his last season but I can't see it happening.He's well off his usual pace atm but there are a few tracks coming up he's bloody good at. Fingers crossed the find a good set up soon

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pritch

22nd September 2018, 10:50

Mat Oxley reports that it's embarrassing being a Brit in the GP paddock these days. The Europeans roll their eyes before bursting out laughing.

Some of the pundits were discussing the Yamaha problems and concluded they are more extensive than just the engine. I feel sorry for Rossi, he has limited time left riding and Yamaha give him a dog of a bike.

BMWST?

22nd September 2018, 11:00

there was a wee segment on motogp.com (http://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2018/09/21/what-does-marc-marquez-think-yamaha-s-problem-is/272072) where MM was talking about following MV for a bit.He says he could see some problems but he wouldnt say what they were.....thats for them to work out he says.

carbonhed

22nd September 2018, 14:14

A couple of records could be set on Sunday. If Yamaha lose it will be the most races without a win since they first entered the premier class. Oxley says it won't be easy for them because on the long main straight at Aragon the bikes accelerate from 50mph to 210mph. That's not where Yamaha have excelled.

Rossi and Vinales 9 and 10 1.1 secs down. Looks like they'll be setting a new record :rolleyes:

The usual suspects rule with Crutchlow right there again... having a bit of a purple patch at the moment is Cal. Imagine being able to keep MM honest on the same bike :eek5:

ETA Looked for Rins... 16th WTF?

Autech

22nd September 2018, 21:29

Pedrosa closer than he has been in a fair few rounds this weekend.
Fingers crossed he at least puts Crutchlow back in his place or even makes a podium.

Looking forward to quali tonight :)

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carbonhed

23rd September 2018, 08:05

Rossi cruising around in Q1 waiting for a tow... didn't happen 18th. Pathetic.

onearmedbandit

23rd September 2018, 09:18

Rossi cruising around in Q1 waiting for a tow... didn't happen 18th. Pathetic.

You get a little boner every time you see him struggling huh.

carbonhed

23rd September 2018, 09:34

You get a little boner every time you see him struggling huh.

:lol: never really got wood over any of the riders dude but whatever turns you on. When he pulls his leathers out of his crack do you think it's a sign just for you?

Berries

23rd September 2018, 11:05

:lol: never really got wood over any of the riders dude but whatever turns you on.
Your denial and fixation on Rossi suggests otherwise. I bet you fapp off to the poster of him on your ceiling every night.

pritch

23rd September 2018, 12:21

Further to the comment by the pundits that the Yamaha problems go further than the engine, these thoughts are mentioned on the Motomatters site. You'll have to scroll all the way down if you only want to read the relevant comments.

https://motomatters.com/analysis/2018/09/21/2018_aragon_motogp_friday_round_up_test.html

Vinales said last night that the other teams are about a second faster at Aragon this year than last. The Yamaha is two tenths slower. Yep, this year's bike is actually slower than last year. It would seem there really are problems back in Japan.

carbonhed

23rd September 2018, 12:28

Your denial and fixation on Rossi suggests otherwise. I bet you fapp off to the poster of him on your ceiling every night.

Damn! I'm just loving the Rossi massive's whimpering. It's like basking in the glow of a warm summer sun.

I feel your pain. Give me more! Give me more! :laugh:

merv

23rd September 2018, 13:30

Its karma I tell you, Rossi should never have started the war in 2015 by somehow dreaming that Marquez was trying to help Lorenzo at Phillip Island when Marquez took off ahead to win the race. Rossi has been obsessed with it ever since to the point of not shaking hands the other week. Shame he has taken Mav down with him as the Yamaha has developed the karma gremlins.

How on earth does he feel now to see Lorenzo doing so well on the Ducati?

Perhaps the Ducati electronics guys are so good they are able to control the Yamahas from within their garage. Remember the bikes are all using Italian trickery nowadays haha.

BMWST?

23rd September 2018, 14:33

JL is killing them.MM is gonna try everything tomorrow.

onearmedbandit

23rd September 2018, 14:35

:lol: never really got wood over any of the riders dude but whatever turns you on. When he pulls his leathers out of his crack do you think it's a sign just for you?

I know better than to entertain your attempt at a retort however this time I'll make an exception. Your fixation with knocking Rossi at any opportunity given is interesting (btw is Marquez 'pathetic' as well, he was looking for a tow from Dovi yesterday and admitted it happily) however not quite as interesting as your obsession with homosexuality. Yes I'll admit I'm a fan of Rossi, as I am Marquez, Lorenzo, Pedrosa, Dovi, Stoner, Schwantz, Doohan, Rainey, Lawson..., the list goes on since I started watching back in the late 80's. I guess you could say I'm a fan of MotoGP, so to answer your question, when Rossi pulls his leathers out of his arse crack I don't even consider it. But you, well it seems to have caught your interest.

carbonhed

23rd September 2018, 15:01

I know better than to entertain your attempt at a retort however this time I'll make an exception. Your fixation with knocking Rossi at any opportunity given is interesting (btw is Marquez 'pathetic' as well, he was looking for a tow from Dovi yesterday and admitted it happily) however not quite as interesting as your obsession with homosexuality. Yes I'll admit I'm a fan of Rossi, as I am Marquez, Lorenzo, Pedrosa, Dovi, Stoner, Schwantz, Doohan, Rainey, Lawson..., the list goes on since I started watching back in the late 80's. I guess you could say I'm a fan of MotoGP, so to answer your question, when Rossi pulls his leathers out of his arse crack I don't even consider it. But you, well it seems to have caught your interest.

You've mistaken me for someone who gives a flying fuck what you think dude.

onearmedbandit

23rd September 2018, 15:19

You've mistaken me for someone who gives a flying fuck what you think dude.

No, I haven't mistaken you at all.

carbonhed

23rd September 2018, 16:01

David Emmett... always worth a read.

https://motomatters.com/analysis/2018/09/22/2018_aragon_motogp_saturday_round_up.html

Autech

23rd September 2018, 16:17

Crutchlows been whinging again to the media. Hope he gets smoked this weekend

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Drew

23rd September 2018, 16:18

Marquez and Dovi fucking each other up was shit to watch.

BMWST?

23rd September 2018, 17:14

Marquez and Dovi fucking each other up was shit to watch.
was very interesting in that MM could afford to wait....and he did,but when it came to it Dovi did it(well almost) Not a total failure for MM as he is still on the front row,but he has got to be wondering now if he will ever be able to beat these &^%$# duc,s!

Drew

23rd September 2018, 17:16

was very interesting in that MM could afford to wait....and he did,but when it came to it Dovi did it(well almost) Not a total failure for MM as he is still on the front row,but he has got to be wondering now if he will ever be able to beat these &^%$# duc,s!

I think Marc was trying to time it for a tow down the straight.
His time would have been a tenth quicker with a tow and not overcooking it into the left off the straight I reckon.

AllanB

23rd September 2018, 17:54

Go the mighty Ducati. Must be that Desmo shit ...... :lol:

Sad about Rossi (don't give a fuck what he rides, just like to see him competitive at the end of his career in Moto GP).

Autech

23rd September 2018, 19:42

Espagaro brothers having a shit season. Here's hoping Pol can make the next round as that KTM is showing signs of getting better

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WALRUS

23rd September 2018, 21:44

http://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2018/09/22/rossi-what-we-can-do-in-the-box-is-not-enough/272392

tl;dr version "Rossi says 'Yamaha, fix your shit'"

pritch

24th September 2018, 00:04

At least Rossi was well postioned to get a good view of the lap 1 turn 1 action.

onearmedbandit

24th September 2018, 00:51

roogazza

24th September 2018, 07:30

Great race. Gutted to see Lorenzo go down, but what a battle between Dovi and Marquez. And Suzuki had their day too, plus Aleix, Dani and even Rossi and the crew managed to put something better together on the day. Loving it.

yep, no doubt Ducati has advantages (ala Stoner 2007 !). Sad for the Mamba. :rolleyes:

Marky Mark is the fastest guy out there, outstanding ability. :banana:

Yamaha are very lucky to have Rossi. Suzukis did great,good to see.

Have to mention #35 , always brings a smile, him on his arse. :laugh:

carbonhed

24th September 2018, 07:38

Brilliant race. Aleix Espargaro :niceone:

Autech

24th September 2018, 10:28

Have to mention #35 , always brings a smile, him on his arse. :laugh:

If only he had a carbon fibre swing arm... Then he could break that too!

Brilliant race. Aleix Espargaro :niceone:

Fuck yeah he rode out of his skin, always the best rider on the worst bike, where the fuck was Redding eh?

Shame the Suzuki's have GSXR150 engines else we may have had an even better battle, from what AI said they're just spinning up too much out of the corners to do anything with it, looks a lot like Yamaha used to look I must say. If CC and JL had stayed on board and Dani had chosen the soft rear we may have had a moto3 race!
Good battle regardless and was super awesome to see Dovi really giving MM grief and the 2 Suzuki's so close ready to pick up the pieces.

Brett

24th September 2018, 13:50

So JL publicly blames MM for making him crash by purposely running him wide onto the dirty area of the track?

http://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2018/09/23/lorenzo-marc-caused-me-to-crash-and-he-knows/272765

That really seems to be clutching at straws from where I am sitting. JL could have rolled out and off the track rather than feeding it a handful and launching himself. A pity - would have made for an even more interesting race.

WALRUS

24th September 2018, 14:29

Autech

24th September 2018, 14:37

Yeah I just watched it too. MM was only ever going to run a wider line entering that shallow, JL would have been ok if it wasn't such a dusty bit of track but alas it was, that racing, thats the first corner and now you got a sore asf foot!

I've dislocated my big toe before and it hurts like a mofo for weeks so he will have plently to brood about while its throbbin.

speights_bud

24th September 2018, 18:30

So JL publicly blames MM for making him crash by purposely running him wide onto the dirty area of the track?

He's gone and brought up those "gentleman's rules". Fuck that.
Win. At. (almost) All. Costs.

Don't kill anyone or deliberately knock them off. All else within the rules is fair game.

Lorenzo on block passing:

"It's not illegal, but for me it should be a gentleman's agreement," Lorenzo said"

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speights_bud

24th September 2018, 18:32

Just watched it again.. No way was that anyone's fault but his..Yep. MM didn't punt him outside the white lines of the track. Do we need to start painting lines around the dirty patches?

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Autech

24th September 2018, 19:54

Slightly off topic but has anyone else been enjoying the Simon Crafar laps around each circuit on Youtube. Man still rides bloody well, must be hard to put in a decent looking lap and talk at the same time but he manages it. Those S1000rrs are bloody quick

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russd7

24th September 2018, 21:00

pritch

24th September 2018, 21:03

Crafar is getting favourable comments from other pundits. He sees things others with less experience would not. Things such as one factory rider having a longer swing arm than his mate, a different steering head angle on one bike. This weekend he was spotted counting the clicks being dialled into Marquez' suspension. (Crafer worked as an Ohlins tech too if I recall correctly.)

When not working as a pit lane reporter he may still be turning some pretty fast laps around Aragon etc with his riding school.

Autech

24th September 2018, 21:12

yeah i watched the last one and thought holy shit.The comment "they say break at 200 but that's for wusses" as he sails in there at 280kmph.
Brilliant

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carbonhed

24th September 2018, 21:28

Autech

24th September 2018, 21:34

Gotta link? I'm not blundering across it.NP

https://youtu.be/mMQvy7OJPdw

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BMWST?

24th September 2018, 21:53

Its a bit rich JL saying it was MMs fault.JL has put some bloody hard passes on MM in the last few weeks.At Austria I reckon anyone else would have crashed after one of his passes!
I have new found respect for Dovi.Have mostly regarded him as a very methodical clever journeyman but he showed some real ability and class tonight!(just watched it!)
Can anyone explain why MV is so slow at the start!It must be the full fuel tank?!?He is always one of the fastest at the end of the race

onearmedbandit

24th September 2018, 22:47

Can anyone explain why MV is so slow at the start!It must be the full fuel tank?!?He is always one of the fastest at the end of the race

That's the consensus

sugilite

25th September 2018, 06:53

So JL publicly blames MM for making him crash by purposely running him wide onto the dirty area of the track?

The beginning of a beautiful bromance for the 2019 season :love:

pritch

25th September 2018, 09:59

David Emmett forwarded an interesting message, it was in Italian or Spanish or... As translated, it said that Lorenzo was just going to Honda to find out all their secrets, then he'll go back to Ducati.

That suggested a new word to Emmett, "conspiranoiea". Seems appropriate. Life for some people must be sooo complicated.

carbonhed

25th September 2018, 10:07

That suggested a new word to Emmett, "conspiranoiea". Seems appropriate. Life for some people must be sooo complicated.

And after spending years on Kiwibiker this came as a surprise?

I suspect not... :laugh:

carbonhed

25th September 2018, 10:13

The beginning of a beautiful bromance for the 2019 season :love:

JLo needs someone in his garage to just tell him to shut up. Saying what you believe to be true may seem the right thing to do but if you've no self awareness.......

Water off a ducks back to MM. To shake his self belief you'd probably have to be beating him regularly for a start.

merv

25th September 2018, 10:46

JLo needs someone in his garage to just tell him to shut up.

Perhaps him and Serena are really the soul buddies that went to the same charm school.

sugilite

25th September 2018, 15:51

David Emmett forwarded an interesting message, it was in Italian or Spanish or... As translated, it said that Lorenzo was just going to Honda to find out all their secrets, then he'll go back to Ducati.

Ha, I'm pretty sure he will soon discover Hondas secret part. It is called the Marc Marquez. All JLo needs to do is sneak back to Ducati and have the Marc Marquez installed and the Ducati will start a dynasty of domination MWAHAHAHAHA :devil2:

SaferRides

25th September 2018, 20:42

Ha, I'm pretty sure he will soon discover Hondas secret part. It is called the Marc Marquez. All JLo needs to do is sneak back to Ducati and have the Marc Marquez installed and the Ducati will start a dynasty of domination MWAHAHAHAHA :devil2:A good point. I can't help thinking the Honda will be such a disappointment after this year's Ducati.

BMWST?

25th September 2018, 20:55

AllanB

25th September 2018, 21:17

If i were a team manager i would not have two riders of the same ability

But it makes for great TV as they duke it out and even crash :yes:

BMWST?

25th September 2018, 23:04

But it makes for great TV as they duke it out and even crash :yes:
they dont have to be in the same team to do that!

Drew

26th September 2018, 06:26

Just when I start to get enthusiastic about Jorge, he says something twatish to ruin it.

carbonhed

26th September 2018, 07:00

you can see that the honda is much more agile than the duc.MM can make drastic line changes and seemingly put the Honda anywhere he likes.The duc still looks a slow turning stable as long wheelbase bike.I think JLO will get to grips with the honda more quickly.than the duc.I think MM and JLo are the most fearless in the paddock..What that may bring may give Honda some pause for thought about what the no 2 rider should bring.
If i were a team manager i would not have two riders of the same ability

I thought that difference in agility was very noticeable at Aragon. MM is a master of brutal direction changes... not sure that matches JLo's approach but he is smart and adaptable.

Having JLO on the same team means he's not winning on somebody else's bike... intra team dynamics will be interesting :laugh:

SaferRides

26th September 2018, 08:03

you can see that the honda is much more agile than the duc.MM can make drastic line changes and seemingly put the Honda anywhere he likes.The duc still looks a slow turning stable as long wheelbase bike.I think JLO will get to grips with the honda more quickly.than the duc.I think MM and JLo are the most fearless in the paddock..What that may bring may give Honda some pause for thought about what the no 2 rider should bring.
If i were a team manager i would not have two riders of the same abilityThe difference between the bikes is much less now. Last year Marquez was passing the Ducatis on the inside at Turn 15, but he couldn't do it during this year's race.

Lorenzo on a Honda is going to be weird.

Autech

26th September 2018, 09:41

The difference between the bikes is much less now. Last year Marquez was passing the Ducatis on the inside at Turn 15, but he couldn't do it during this year's race.

It seemed to me the only real place MM had an massive advantage was braking in turn 12 with some lean angle, I think the Ducati is strong on the brakes but needs to be upright and in a straight line to do it, MM was getting awesome drive through 10-11 but it looked like the real advantage was in how he could break with it cranked over a bit. Everywhere else they looked pretty much even bar the straight where MM was able to stay with the Ducati but do nothing with it. Shame we never got to see Lorenzo go toe to toe as he has good history at that track and may know a line or two that Dovi doesn't when it comes to winning a battle.

Apparently CC crashed as he knew he had to pass DP and AE to go with the front group so pushed hard to do it. Surely if he was capable of going with the front group he wouldn't have struggled to pass an uncompetitive Aprilia and an off form Pedrosa though right??? :rolleyes:

roogazza

26th September 2018, 10:34

Apparently CC crashed as he knew he had to pass DP and AE to go with the front group so pushed hard to do it. Surely if he was capable of going with the front group he wouldn't have struggled to pass an uncompetitive Aprilia and an off form Pedrosa though right??? :rolleyes:

seeing #35 on his arse, brightens my day !

Autech

26th September 2018, 14:01

Unconfirmed reports that Danny Kent has been shit canned and lost his ride for the remainder of the season.

Be interesting to see him change to another championship to see if he can ride something other than a moto3 bike. He rode the Moto3 well but has blown it on every singe moto2 chassis that he's been put on. Saw an interview of him somewhere a month back where he said he can only bank on winning a title for so long and he's well aware his options are running out.

pritch

26th September 2018, 16:51

Unconfirmed reports that Danny Kent has been shit canned and lost his ride for the remainder of the season.

Be interesting to see him change to another championship to see if he can ride something other than a moto3 bike.

His problems in Moto2 were originally not bike related. He was much more interested in his cell phone and his girlfriend than in riding the bike. Apparently he was something of a joke in the paddock and not in a good way. He was supposed to come back motivated and raring to go but sadly that hasn't worked out.

Maybe he could try for a ride in a BSB support class, I don't think he's ready to play with the big kids.

WALRUS

26th September 2018, 17:04

^ Or maybe WSS?

pritch

27th September 2018, 09:40

^ Or maybe WSS?

I bypassed that because unless he really got a grip he would probably get the boot from there too. Ana Carrasco might kick his arse on current form.

On another topic, overnight a Brit fan asked Oxley if Yamaha were in danger of attaining concessions under the rules. Apparently they would have to go a full season without a podium. They haven't done that yet but they do seem to be working quite hard at it. The Valancia test should give a hint as to the future, but what an embarrassment that would be.

Autech

27th September 2018, 10:02

I bypassed that because unless he really got a grip he would probably get the boot from there too. Ana Carrasco might kick his arse on current form.

On another topic, overnight a Brit fan asked Oxley if Yamaha were in danger of attaining concessions under the rules. Apparently they would have to go a full season without a podium. They haven't done that yet but they do seem to be working quite hard at it. The Valancia test should give a hint as to the future, but what an embarrassment that would be.

I think the issue is the bike is currently at it's peak level where as the other bikes started the season with some room to improve the bike. Unless they bring something next year that's drastically better what will happen is the same thing, the Yamaha will be closeish for the first 3rd then when Ducati and Honda start improving they will be left behind once again.

It's either the bike is at it's peak or Rossi and Vinales aren't capable of working together to build something better.

Next season they are in for even more of a hard time with Jack Miller on a GP19 and Bags on a GP18, they're lucky Bautista is leaving! If the Suzuki's keep their current form and the Yamaha doesn't improve enough they will be lucky to have a top 10 most weekends. Up side of next year is they have Morbidelli to help with data on a full factory bike, after 1 year on the Honda he'll be ready to finish ahead of the factory boys a fair bit I'd say. Tough roads ahead if your name is Rossi or Vinales.

carbonhed

27th September 2018, 12:29

It's either the bike is at it's peak or Rossi and Vinales aren't capable of working together to build something better.

No no no. They're lucky to have Rossi because he is a master of bike development and setup... apparently.

WALRUS

27th September 2018, 12:46

I know it's an old clip.. But it's a good clip!

https://www.facebook.com/MotoGP/videos/10156967832730769/

carbonhed

27th September 2018, 18:07

Oxley

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opinion/motogp/motogp-gentlemanly-or-full-vicious-passions

Emmett

https://motomatters.com/analysis/2018/09/25/2018_aragon_motogp_post_race_round_up.html

pritch

29th September 2018, 10:32

Overnight our time, in an apparently since deleted tweet*, and in response to what looked like an inquiry from Asia, Mat Oxley replied thus:

"It's called motorcycle racing. People on motorcycles race other people on motorcycles. You go round and round in circles and whoever arrives back where they started first is the winner. Couldn't be simpler."

Most people on reading this would assume it to be a light hearted reply. Not everybody though.

Jorge Lorenzo replied, "Wow! So simple Mat! You should be a motogp champion".

Not everybody in Europe gets British humour, well Jorge doesn't anyway..

* Well Mat seems to have deleted his, but 99 has not.

Autech

1st October 2018, 14:54

For those that have sold their soul there is a video on the Motogp Facebook page of Simon Crafar giving the new Moto2 bike a run around Silverstone short circuit. Well worth a watch and listen.
Can't wait for Moto2 next year!

WALRUS

1st October 2018, 14:56

And for those who haven't given Dorna any money..:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpW9iG0KN40

pritch

1st October 2018, 16:15

And for those who haven't given Dorna any money..:

The link to the Crafar clip is in post #1564, p105. It's free.

carbonhed

1st October 2018, 16:19

And for those who haven't given Dorna any money..:

So that engine is sitting in a 675 Daytona frame... and they're puzzling over building a road bike!!!!!!!!! Lying bastards :laugh:

Drew

1st October 2018, 16:35

I wondered at the top triple clamp having an ignition barrel hole.

It's not a moto2 bike.

carbonhed

1st October 2018, 17:00

I wondered at the top triple clamp having an ignition barrel hole.

It's not a moto2 bike.

That's right they just supply the engines. Frames, suspension, electronics are from other suppliers. It's their own mockup of a Moto2 bike. Gave me wood.

pritch

1st October 2018, 17:32

I wondered at the top triple clamp having an ignition barrel hole.

It's not a moto2 bike.

Some people might consider that standard Triumph speedo unit a hint too?:innocent:

The sale of sports bikes has gone through the floor in most of the world so Triumph said they aren't going to do one. Still, I can't believe they won't introduce a 765 Daytona to capitalise on the Moto2 deal.

IIRC there are clips around of KTM or Kalex tests, they are likely to be the real deal.

I just hope Triumph have done the same deal with those guys at Aragon that Honda used. It'd be a shame if the engines started blowing, or if the riders were whinging about widely varying power output from individual engines.