Moto GP 2022 [Archive] - Page 2

James Deuce

4th April 2022, 23:14

Maybe, maybe not. All I know is that people who are actually involved in MotoGP have faith in him. And these people actually know what they're talking about, unlike 100% of internet speculators. For me I'll just enjoy the racing.

Hang on a minute - have you been watching the same MotoGP/500GP I have for the last 40 years? His successes have flattered to deceive. He doesn't know why he's fast when he is and he can't replicate form from one week to the next. He's never consistently performed on any bike, in any team he's been in. He's super fast when he's on it. That is why people have "faith" in him, but he can't do that reliably. He sure as shit can't develop a bike either. Take the development rider of any team out of the mix and he falls to the back of the field. He's had a load more chances than Jack Miller, for instance, and it is obvious that Jack has fallen out of favour at Ducati. I don't know why they keep giving Vinales a ride. It's 50/50 whether he'll bring success to a team or make it impossible for a team to compete in the constructor's championship. That's born out by his results, not Internet speculation. Quatararo makes the best out of every opportunity now, where he used to be emotionally fragile. Bad qualifying? He'll drag that Yamaha slug as far up the field as he can and be 10 places ahead of the next Yamaha rider. That's obvious from his results.

onearmedbandit

5th April 2022, 00:16

As I'm only in my 40's I can't profess to have the experience you do but I have been watching for around 30yrs, and he's most definitely a top level rider. But hey those guys who hire him must sure be dumb if they can't see what you see from your armchair. Enjoy the racing, it's great entertainment and I love watching the riders go through the good and bad and put on a spectacle for us.

husaberg

5th April 2022, 12:37

Hang on a minute - have you been watching the same MotoGP/500GP I have for the last 40 years? His successes have flattered to deceive. He doesn't know why he's fast when he is and he can't replicate form from one week to the next. He's never consistently performed on any bike, in any team he's been in. He's super fast when he's on it. That is why people have "faith" in him, but he can't do that reliably. He sure as shit can't develop a bike either. Take the development rider of any team out of the mix and he falls to the back of the field. He's had a load more chances than Jack Miller, for instance, and it is obvious that Jack has fallen out of favour at Ducati. I don't know why they keep giving Vinales a ride. It's 50/50 whether he'll bring success to a team or make it impossible for a team to compete in the constructor's championship. That's born out by his results, not Internet speculation. Quatararo makes the best out of every opportunity now, where he used to be emotionally fragile. Bad qualifying? He'll drag that Yamaha slug as far up the field as he can and be 10 places ahead of the next Yamaha rider. That's obvious from his results.
Luca Caladorda .......
Although he won 250 champs not the moto 3

tbf though Marc has finished top 3 or 4 overall four times once on the Suzuki?

pritch

5th April 2022, 12:59

There are a couple of guys that I'm surprised have rides. Vinales is one. He was sacked with immediate effect by Yamaha for holding his engine on the rev limiter in pit lane or wherever, as if trying to blow it up. Certainly it seems Yamaha share that impression. That is not a guy with the temperament to win championships.

Why Aprilia signed him I have no idea. If he doesn't have immediate success he'll just give up. Again.

Fenati is another. No doubt an incredibly talented rider, but also a dangerous head case.

Reckless

5th April 2022, 13:05

MV seems Genuinely happy in this vid.
https://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2022/04/03/vinales-on-aleix-espargaro-win-it-s-good-for-everybody/413018?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=Social&utm_content=Vi%C3%B1alesonAleixEspargarowin%3A%E2% 80%9CIt%E2%80%99sgoodforeverybody%E2%80%9D&utm_campaign=Traffic&fbclid=IwAR1lRPyazriB2z6v-YiH-nJVP9oe0e2ajf2ihkqGCPBQ7t3GY7oE3haq75M

No excuses with Aleix winning on it.
As a side note, Pol was destroyed happy for his brother but he looked really down after the race.

What a championship your up top then your not LOL good stuff.

onearmedbandit

5th April 2022, 17:10

Fenati is another. No doubt an incredibly talented rider, but also a dangerous head case.

From an outsiders perspective it would seem this way, but the support he got from many different people in MotoGP, Dorna etc would suggest that those that know him feel he is not a dangerous head case.

onearmedbandit

5th April 2022, 17:24

All I'm saying is that if those who actually involved in the paddock/teams/governing bodies see things differently than us then maybe just maybe they are aware of things that we are not.

BMWST?

5th April 2022, 19:14

There is one quality that will bring attention in moto gp.To be FAST. And Maverick is fast. You cant teach fast IMHO .Inconsistency is trumped by fast.And the are egos within the teams besides the Riders. There will be managers who will think that they can overcome Maverick's less desireable traits. Aprilia took him because he has shown he is FAST. Aleix is very good as has been shown..But Maverick has WON on the Yamaha and the Suzuki.

pritch

5th April 2022, 20:07

All I'm saying is that if those who actually involved in the paddock/teams/governing bodies see things differently than us then maybe just maybe they are aware of things that we are not.

They aren't the boldest thinkers in the world. Take Moto2, the engine was restricted (to Honda originally), virtually everything else was open slather to permit the widest possible range of engineering solutions in frames and suspension. So we wind up with almost every team running Kalex frames and traditional forks. Radical thinkers these guys ain't.

Oh and Fenati, everybody can make a mistake, even if a physical assault on your team manager is a relatively serious one. There was also the matter of his grabbing the front brake lever on an oponents bike as he passed. Apparently that was deemed OK in Brit club racing back in the day, but it's not kosher on Dorna's watch.

onearmedbandit

5th April 2022, 22:03

And there are plenty of examples of radical thought and change in the paddock.

And lets not forget that Dorna let Fenati back after he had proved himself. I too at first thought it was ridiculous that he was back racing, until I read and heard the positive things a lot of people in the paddock said about him, and the support that was offered and he took. Like I say, they are aware of a lot more than what we the public will ever know.

iYRe

6th April 2022, 16:20

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsdGjndBTJo

OOOOOHHHHHH the new MM?

Reckless

6th April 2022, 19:23

(10 Chars)
350879

iYRe

6th April 2022, 19:34

yeah, I saw that... apparently he's been out on a 600 lol

That must be like a supercar driver hopping in a swift..

I know what it feels like to go from the zx14 to a "normal" sports tourer.. goes from "sheet that happened a bit quick" to "yawn.. when will I get to the next corner.. ever?" (and thats riding like a slow old man..)

pritch

7th April 2022, 12:46

yeah, I saw that... apparently he's been out on a 600 lol
That must be like a supercar driver hopping in a swift..

He has been photographed riding a bike, that it's a 600 is a bit underwhelming. Training on a CBR1000RR would be a bit complicated though. Contracted riders aren't allowed to practice on a GP bike, a litre bike would need to be inspected and approved. As was the R1 Rossi used for a time when coming back from injury.

The big shock could be going from a 600 to the RC213V.

iYRe

7th April 2022, 12:48

He has been photographed riding a bike, that it's a 600 is a bit underwhelming. Training on a CBR1000RR would be a bit complicated though. Contracted riders aren't allowed to practice on a GP bike, a litre bike would need to be inspected and approved. As was the R1 Rossi used for a time when coming back from injury.

The big shock could be going from a 600 to the RC213V.

I think it was primarily just to make sure that riding and wearing helmets etc wouldnt cause him issues.. maybe?

steveyb

7th April 2022, 21:10

iYRe

8th April 2022, 07:20

Interesting to see that Moto3 has been scheduled to run last in each round of sessions at COTA.
I wonder what that is all about.
Moto2, MotoGP, Moto3 each round.
I can't think of any particular good reason.
TV timing in Europe perhaps?

The Crash guys were saying some bike (particularly Yamaha) were struggling with the amount of rubber that the moto 2/3 bikes were laying down.. loss of traction. So maybe thats why? I havent heard anything else in my perusing of podcasts

Reckless

8th April 2022, 13:53

Let us see if Aliex can keep up the Momentum.
Wouldn't that be a story if Aprilia could win the championship :bleh::niceone:

Plus Couple of MM Articles
Never heard him mention the word scared before but I guess Crashing badly will do that.
The toll is starting to show. I hope he goes ok this weekend.

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1000205/1/marc-marquez-indonesia-worst-gp-my-career-vision-injury-makes-me-scared?authId=1*129iwwx*_a*N0VHelFsRTJGdFllRDg5d21 hcngwaWVUa2R5aTJ5M3ZCTHRNbHRwZlYtTDBwS05QOGg2QVNZV XQtcWZtVVZUcg

https://jalopnik.com/marc-marquez-didnt-return-to-austin-to-win-and-thats-f-1848765287

BMWST?

8th April 2022, 16:05

Autech

8th April 2022, 16:54

Interesting to see that Moto3 has been scheduled to run last in each round of sessions at COTA.
I wonder what that is all about.
Moto2, MotoGP, Moto3 each round.
I can't think of any particular good reason.
TV timing in Europe perhaps?

Pretty sure that's the way it's been for a while at COTA, it's one of the oddities about it. There's a few rounds they do it at to match up with TV slots etc I think...

I think its stupid they don't run the same order in practice to give the engineers accurate data (have for a long time) as it was one of Mavericks weak points that he couldn't overcome.

iYRe

8th April 2022, 20:32

Interesting point, I think they said that there isnt a rider that hasnt had at least a podium in this current field and that has not happened before.. or at least no one can remember it happening

roogazza

9th April 2022, 06:52

So no Aliens anymore (if #93 has done his dash ?).
Might be a season where everyone wins one and then scrabble for points by years end?

Oh well, I need another coffee, I liked the old GP's with decent tyres and stand out Aliens. <_<:shifty:

F5 Dave

9th April 2022, 08:41

Sounds like a New Age school. Everyone gets an achievement award.:wings:

. . . maybe they are all aliens? :shit:

iYRe

9th April 2022, 08:42

Sounds like a New Age school. Everyone gets an achievement award.:wings:

. . . maybe they are all aliens? :shit:

Keith from Crash.net seemed to be suggesting they were all, if not aliens, pretty damn close

F5 Dave

9th April 2022, 08:50

I Dunn be standin in ma corn field, with my tongue hangin out gazing at the stars having dropped my flagon of hooch, when I saw a bright light. . . .

Autech

9th April 2022, 08:50

So it's taken me 3 rounds to confirm my suspicion that Alex Rins has changed his riding style over the break. He's hanging off like the most of them now, hopefully this bodes well for his consistency.

Watching FP1/2 this morning it looks like he's the man to beat, super fast every single lap. Was going to place a bet on him earlier in the week but the TAB is being shithouse, too focused on horses n rugby.

Marc and possibly Maverick will be the others in the mix, I just don't think Marc will have the faith in the front needed to push for the win, he's no doubt going to prove me wrong though.

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pritch

9th April 2022, 09:11

Marc and possibly Maverick will be the others in the mix, I just don't think Marc will have the faith in the front needed to push for the win, he's no doubt going to prove me wrong though.

So you don't consider the championship leader has a chance? And no I haven't watched practice yet but...

Autech

9th April 2022, 10:50

Its a particular circuit and Rins and Maverick have great records there and look very comfortable on their bikes doing the laptime, so they're my picks to give it to MM.
Aleix will be in the mix no doubt, but for the win I don't think so.

None of this matters for the championship of course as we all know it doesn't really start until they hit the European tracks.

Fucking bizzare how close it is this season, Fabio was .3 down one stage and outside the top 10.
Miguel Olivera struggling in last for most of it?

WTF

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iYRe

9th April 2022, 12:02

https://www.motogp.com/en/news/2022/04/08/quartararo-in-talks-with-other-factories-for-2023-switch/413826 - FQ in talks with others (HRC is prob the highest on the list from what I can gather)

onearmedbandit

11th April 2022, 15:11

iYRe

11th April 2022, 19:26

What an outstanding race, great result from Enea, still pulling out 1:53's at the end of the race. Marc's performance was from falling to last off the grid to 6th position was incredible in the era, let alone everything he's been through. And strong performances from Suzuki too, if Rins stays on heis a strong contender for the championship. Oh and I wish commentators would stop apologising for a bad word or two (bastard from Enea) from someone who has just emerged from battle.

Marc broke his own lap record, then Enea broke it by.. 0.01 or something?
That shot of MM barely able to sit in the sea cuz the bike is bucking around..

Miller obviously bummed, but he rode about as good as anyone could (cept maybe MM lol).
Enea was so smooth - "rode like a bastard" hehe.. excellent - it looked to be a great race - very exciting all the way. Even down to the last 5 laps there was like 5 dudes in it and MM closing.. poor bugger must have been knackered.. apparently he hasnt been able to work out or anything, complete rest.

steveyb

11th April 2022, 22:33

So it's taken me 3 rounds to confirm my suspicion that Alex Rins has changed his riding style over the break. He's hanging off like the most of them now, hopefully this bodes well for his consistency.

Yep, you are dead right. I only noticed it today myself.
He used to be all straight, body out in the breeze, reminiscent of Colin Edward's. But now he has adopted the body in, head down style that is required to get the most from these bikes and tyres.

Dadpole

12th April 2022, 08:35

The word from Guintoli (BTSport etc) is that Rins has changed his mental approach too. With Mir keeping him honest, I would put him - and J Martin - in my top 3 for the WC. Number one is still anybody's guess. :scratch:

Autech

12th April 2022, 10:21

Yep, you are dead right. I only noticed it today myself.
He used to be all straight, body out in the breeze, reminiscent of Colin Edward's. But now he has adopted the body in, head down style that is required to get the most from these bikes and tyres.

Yeah I suspected that's why he was losing the front so much last year and put up a post to that effect, thankfully he reads kiwibiker and has worked on it over the break :killingme

As much as I admire Mir, I just think Rins has more race craft and is willing to throw down that extra 1% when needed. Had he qualified 1 position up on the 2nd row I think he may have won that one.

Which brings me to my next observation, and it comes in the form of Zarco......

I'm not the guys biggest fan as many may know (too aggressive) but there seems to have been a pattern over the past year or so of him qualifying well, then being a mobile chicane riders coming from further back must overcome, preventing them from catching the front group. Most of the time its helping the factory Ducati riders in holding up a Fabio/Rins/Mir but this time he held up Peco a bit too, and has held up Miller a few times also...
Hopefully he can crack whatever it is that makes him lose pace over the race distance and become a front runner again but of late the comment "I lost a lot of time getting past Zarco" is in the debrief of a fair few riders post race.

Moto2 is pretty good this year I must say, really enjoying it

Reckless

12th April 2022, 11:47

Moto2 is pretty good this year I must say, really enjoying it

Half the field had bikes disappear under them - mainly front tuck. Just making it home seemed to be the thing last race.
Gave the championship standings a shake up.

Autech

12th April 2022, 18:47

Half the field had bikes disappear under them - mainly front tuck. Just making it home seemed to be the thing last race.
Gave the championship standings a shake up.

I'm kinda hoping that the bros from Honda Team Asia can keep it going, be great for the sport if that can start paying off and giving us some different national anthems in Motogp

Dadpole

13th April 2022, 09:10

I'm kinda hoping that the bros from Honda Team Asia can keep it going, be great for the sport if that can start paying off and giving us some different national anthems in Motogp

And the bikes have a nice clean (old school almost) livery.

iYRe

16th April 2022, 09:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3446MCnee4

"There's no great genius without a touch of madness", or as Kanye said, in order to be truly great, you have to be a little insane

roogazza

16th April 2022, 10:23

george formby

16th April 2022, 10:56

Watched Moto3 last night.:sweatdrop

A couple of Simon Crafar's quips had me chortling. "He used his bike (other rider) to adjust the levers from a previous incident..."

iYRe

16th April 2022, 13:33

Last Alien remaining , he is such a freak !

I still think he'll be up there in the title race,if he can manage his problems. (esspecially with everyone else pretty much the same in talent and recording wins. )

Go yamaha , and go #20 Fabio Q.

Well, he made it through a weekend with no crashing, so if he can maintain that for a bit.. there's a chance

roogazza

16th April 2022, 14:13

Well, he made it through a weekend with no crashing, so if he can maintain that for a bit.. there's a chance

I'll have a look at COTA tomorro on ch3 highlights.

Sounds like he showed a bit of the old grit ?

iYRe

16th April 2022, 14:35

I'll have a look at COTA tomorro on ch3 highlights.

Sounds like he showed a bit of the old grit ?

Grit yeah, Puig said something like MM is just a level above everyone else - at least until the next alien arrives. LOL

BMWST?

16th April 2022, 21:05

I'll have a look at COTA tomorro on ch3 highlights.

Sounds like he showed a bit of the old grit ?
did he what...he overtakes riders so easily(he makes it look easy) compared with many of the others .He overtook about 14 riders to get where he did,and you can see in some footage on youtube that the Honda is NOT too much faster than many of the otherbikes

SaferRides

17th April 2022, 04:43

I'll have a look at COTA tomorro on ch3 highlights.

Sounds like he showed a bit of the old grit ?His interview after the race is worth a read. Sounds like he stopped over analysing and just rode the bike.

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/marquez-at-americas-motogp-the-target-was-not-to-crash-because-im-still-scared-about-my-head

No one else can ride like that at the moment. Mir and Quartararo can be quite aggressive but their overtakes are not as clean.

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Dadpole

17th April 2022, 08:44

Mir and Quartararo can be quite aggressive but their overtakes are not as clean.

:rofl:

With the exception of Mir and Miller. Those two have 'a thing' going on.

Autech

17th April 2022, 13:58

Mir was really rough last year as he was frustrated at the lack of power, Rins didn't have to barge dudes off line though.

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SaferRides

17th April 2022, 14:39

Mir was really rough last year as he was frustrated at the lack of power, Rins didn't have to barge dudes off line though.

Sent from my SM-G991B using TapatalkWatching Rins overtake all of the Ducs bar one was almost as good as the Marquez ride from last. Rins may yet surprise us all and win the championship.

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iYRe

19th April 2022, 10:57

Dunno if any of you have seen this, but MM when he was testing his eye before COTA was recorded on a track by a youtuber.

MM on his 600 and the other guy on a zx10rr

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVginOGnbwM

That's one angry bumble bee you can hear lol

ducatilover

21st April 2022, 06:41

That's an awesome vid. The chap on the ZX10 is a pretty damn quick rider

iYRe

21st April 2022, 07:21

That's an awesome vid. The chap on the ZX10 is a pretty damn quick rider

Yeah and he has some fancy cameras lol

Does go to show how fast a 600 can be though..

You kinda get the impression that if MM was on a 250, you'd still see him in the mirrors lol.

ducatilover

21st April 2022, 10:03

Yeah and he has some fancy cameras lol

Does go to show how fast a 600 can be though..

You kinda get the impression that if MM was on a 250, you'd still see him in the mirrors lol.
The corner entry speed and trail braking is mental!

iYRe

21st April 2022, 18:40

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zW7oMvNaiuk The YT algorithm suggested this for me today.. bloody hell.
Same channel has a video showing how MM kept FQ at bay... it looks to me like he knew where he would get passed each time and just let it go then came back at him patiently.. and carried more speed at the same time.

F5 Dave

22nd April 2022, 19:35

Most of those were in a straight line. Shock horror. HRC top bike is faster than most bikes on the grid.

Most of the backmarkers use the foot off the peg strategy. Can't see how that actually helps.

Does make me want to go racing again. I'm sure I'd clean him up.

roogazza

26th April 2022, 11:40

350994

wow, consistant or what ? Go #20 and yamaha.....:drool:

iYRe

26th April 2022, 11:42

That was a helluva ride..

Did you notice that quite a few of those bikes were all over the place? FQ was about the only one who seemed to be dialled in.

SaferRides

26th April 2022, 13:17

That was a helluva ride..

Did you notice that quite a few of those bikes were all over the place? FQ was about the only one who seemed to be dialled in.Not detracting from his ride, but remember that there was no dry setup time until warmup. The M1 hasn't changed much from last year, so Yamaha would have been able to use last year's data for dry setup. Honda obviously had no idea with their new bike.

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Autech

26th April 2022, 17:10

Rins was fucking fantastic again, he's the guy on form right now.

Fabio did as Fabio does, absolutely monstered them on raw pace.
Where the fuck is Franco? He's proven himself more than up to the challenge of taking it to Fabio in the past, but he's nowhere. Was not expecting that tbh, shows how rider specific the Yamaha has become after being the friendliest bike for many years.

Poor Mir and Miller, if ever there was a racing incident its that. I think Ducati have dulled the edge trying to sharpen the GP21 some more, Miller still doing the best out of the factory duo consistently though so he really shouldn't lose his spot unless Bags does too. Not looking good for either of them though.

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SaferRides

26th April 2022, 20:13

I still reckon Ducati has stuffed up the '22 bikes, despite what David Emmett says. Yeah, it turns better but the Suzukis and Quartararo were visibly faster exiting corners. It says something when the only place that Miller could attempt to pass Mir was under brakes into turn 1, which was never going to end well for Miller.

Rins for the win at Jerez?

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iYRe

27th April 2022, 07:17

Rins for the win at Jerez?

I dunno, MM would have been P4 if it wasnt for Pol - more familiar track with more data etc..

To be fair, I'd be loathe to count anyone out at this point.

In other news, rumours of JM going to LCR.

Autech

28th April 2022, 15:24

Onto Moto2

Looks like we might actually have a fast yank on our hands with Beaubier. He's been making steady progress so hopefully can see him in MotoGP. They're going to need to expand the grid soon I think to make room for all the riders that deserve a seat

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husaberg

28th April 2022, 18:31

https://youtu.be/MhN10ZSTY-4

pritch

29th April 2022, 09:29

That Moto 2 race was a travesty. The rule book is OK in normal circumstances, but that was not normal.

It should be obvious, and OK some riders may well have been discombobulated, but when you stand after a crash check the direction you came from. Standing with your back to the incoming could be fatal.

Dadpole

29th April 2022, 10:11

pritch

29th April 2022, 14:03

The rule book is there for just those circumstances. Back in 5 minutes or no start. When you start making exceptions the whole thing turns to custard. I would have liked to see more riders for the restart too. The wife said it was not a real race anymore, while I earned no Brownie points by pointing out that Roberts was the fasted rider who did not fall off.

The commentators mentioned "force majeure" and I started to build my hopes up, but no... I'd have declared the race over at the red flag and awarded partial points but nobody asked me. As it was, there was a disproportionate impact on the championship.

Ah well, there's a long way to go yet.

Dadpole

29th April 2022, 18:23

Ah well, there's a long way to go yet.

So true. To be honest; I don't expect to see Roberts on the podium again this season. Too many faster riders (Till lap 9 anyway) in the class.

SaferRides

29th April 2022, 19:06

Not sure I like back to back race weekends. Can't get excited about Jerez after Portimao.

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onearmedbandit

29th April 2022, 19:17

Back to back races in my opinion are great, keep the energy levels high!

iYRe

29th April 2022, 19:22

Back to back races in my opinion are great, keep the energy levels high!

i cant watch the rugby so this is my only sport fix - if they could do it every weekend that would be great

BikerStig

29th April 2022, 19:46

i cant watch the rugby so this is my only sport fix - if they could do it every weekend that would be great

That's simple to deal with. Just develop an interest in World Superbike (WSBK) as well. Mostly, WSBK alternates weekends with MotoGP.

iYRe

29th April 2022, 20:26

That's simple to deal with. Just develop an interest in World Superbike (WSBK) as well. Mostly, WSBK alternates weekends with MotoGP.

Might just have to do that, lol, it takes me awhile to get invested in the people though

F5 Dave

29th April 2022, 20:54

i cant watch the rugby so this is my only sport fix - if they could do it every weekend that would be great
I can't watch rugby either. Or cricket, or soccer. Because they fukin bore the shit out of me.

BikerStig

30th April 2022, 00:08

Might just have to do that, lol, it takes me awhile to get invested in the people though

Jonathan Rea has Youtube channel well worth watching IMO.

BikerStig

30th April 2022, 00:15

I can't watch rugby either. Or cricket, or soccer. Because they fukin bore the shit out of me.

Those guys can't compare to professional motorcycle racers in MotoGP, WSBK, MX etc... IMO.

iYRe

30th April 2022, 09:16

I can't watch rugby either. Or cricket, or soccer. Because they fukin bore the shit out of me.

I like a lot of different sports.. cycling, motorcycling, boat racing, rugby, cricket, tennis, golf, you name it.

For example, Paddy bevan won a stage of the Tour of Normandie today, left them all for dead in a sprint finish.. totally epic at the end of a 165km bike ride pulling 60-70kmh and winning by a few metres.
I cycle a lot.. those dudes are super human, I've seen video of them going downhill drifting their bikes and the police trained camera bike riders not being able to keep up. Damn exciting if you ask me.. and when you understand the tactics, etc that are required to get a dude like paddy to a spot where he can win.. *mind blown*

pritch

30th April 2022, 09:46

I cycle a lot.. those dudes are super human, I've seen video of them going downhill drifting their bikes and the police trained camera bike riders not being able to keep up. Damn exciting if you ask me.. and when you understand the tactics, etc that are required to get a dude like paddy to a spot where he can win.. *mind blown*

I used to like watching a bit of the Tour de France. Not so interested in the bikes or the racing. Just the touring through the French countryside while listening to the dulcet tones of Phil Liggett naming the varous chateau and churches.

iYRe

30th April 2022, 09:57

I used to like watching a bit of the Tour de France. Not so interested in the bikes or the racing. Just the touring through the French countryside while listening to the dulcet tones of Phil Liggett naming the varous chateau and churches.

hah, true, although it makes it a bit more interesting now with a bunch of kiwi's in the peleton. George Bennet is an exemplary human being (as well as a wicked rider) - he is regularly seen doing awesome things for fans and for his team - last year he was going for GC but lost too much time, cant remember which race, one of his guys was struggling to get up this mountain, so he rode back down this something like 12km climb, and towed the dude back up to the peleton - I'm the leader, he said, and I wont leave anyone behind. Its worth watching for stuff like that.

James Deuce

2nd May 2022, 11:02

That's simple to deal with. Just develop an interest in World Superbike (WSBK) as well. Mostly, WSBK alternates weekends with MotoGP.

It's boring though. There's always one massively favoured rider/team and they try and make it look like they are all racing when there are massive gaps between riders. A competitive group dicing for a place is 2 riders. Sometimes 1 rider. It's full of ex-Motogp guys who can't finish a race at the pointy end to save themselves, let alone win. Perfect place for one M. Vinales.

onearmedbandit

2nd May 2022, 11:56

James Deuce

2nd May 2022, 12:04

onearmedbandit

2nd May 2022, 12:52

It was a fantastic race. Moto3 was really good though. Izan Guevara pulled off a last corner move that should go down in history.
Mir apparently had points docked from a previous race, what was that all about?

Yeah the Moto3 race was brilliant, the action is frenetic in that class and Izan's move at the end was incredible. I didn't see anything or hear anything about Mir having points docked, where did you see that?

James Deuce

2nd May 2022, 13:06

Yeah the Moto3 race was brilliant, the action is frenetic in that class and Izan's move at the end was incredible. I didn't see anything or hear anything about Mir having points docked, where did you see that?

Mentioned in commentary on BT Sport.

iYRe

2nd May 2022, 19:42

Another great race last night. That save by MM was like the Marc of a couple years back, fantastic to watch. Has Pecco found his form again? Taking pole away from Fabio and then taking the win certainly would've helped lift his spirits. And my man Aleix, another podium and really making his mark as a title contender. Not a great weekend for Suzuki, but a great weekend for MotoGP in general with some fantastic racing.

It was one of those "make one tiny mistake and its all over" days eh?
MM in the interview afterwards said he had decided to take some chances today. The first overtake was just instinct, but he knew he had to do it where he wouldnt lose speed/run wide because he knew Aleix would pass and get away. That last pass on Miller was a risk (he said). Interesting, the commentators and so on pretty much said that result means Miller is out of the factory team. He certainly seemed "resigned" in his interview.

Things sure are getting interesting now.. but how the hell can those guys be 10 secs faster than everyone else? Is it just because they got away at the start?

pritch

3rd May 2022, 07:52

Twitter is discussing the withdrawal of Suzuki from Moto GP. Apparently there are indications this is happening. Mat Oxley understands it to be factual.

Simon Patterson says the team members told him today.

iYRe

3rd May 2022, 08:00

Twitter is discussing the withdrawal of Suzuki from Moto GP. Apparently there are indications this is happening. Mat Oxley understands it to be factual.

Just watching the crash.net podcast, will see if they mention anything

iYRe

3rd May 2022, 08:25

They said "big changes next year... money is a problem.. etc etc" but no mention of Suzuki leaving as yet.

Interesting MM note: he was asked if honda paid him in 2020, he said they respect him, and he feels like he is more than a number there, its not just about the money and the bike, its about more than that.. "sentimental", he said he asked them if they would apply the contract (I think he would have been paid for one race only) - so it seems they paid him. I dont think he would leave Honda even if offered more money.

Reckless

3rd May 2022, 09:18

https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/suzuki-set-to-quit-motogp-at-the-end-of-2022/10268146/

James Deuce

3rd May 2022, 10:08

https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/suzuki-set-to-quit-motogp-at-the-end-of-2022/10268146/

Well that sux. Hopefully Aprilia will fire Vinales and scoop up Pol.

pritch

3rd May 2022, 23:49

“Dorna Sports has officially contacted the factory in order to remind them that the conditions of their contract with MotoGP do not allow them to take this decision unilaterally.”

Which translates as, you will need good lawyers…

Still, it would deteriorate into farce if Suzuki were forced to race against their will.

onearmedbandit

3rd May 2022, 23:56

iYRe

4th May 2022, 07:39

Some possible options, some new factories interested? I wonder who? Kawasaki? Triumph? Anonymous unbranded GSX's run but some other manufacturer?

Suzuki leaves MotoGP: Possible scenarios for 2023... | MotoGP | Feature (crash.net) (https://www.crash.net/motogp/feature/1002055/1/suzuki-leaves-motogp-possible-scenarios-2023)

"[Dorna] admit Suzuki could depart 'following an agreement between both parties’."

pritch

4th May 2022, 08:39

Some possible options, some new factories interested? I wonder who? Kawasaki? Triumph? Anonymous unbranded GSX's run but some other manufacturer?

The current word among pundits is another Aprilia team.

iYRe

4th May 2022, 08:46

The current word among pundits is another Aprilia team.

I'd kinda like a covert kawasaki team hehe

Autech

4th May 2022, 09:22

Sheeeeeeesh.

That is all I have to say on the matter.

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James Deuce

4th May 2022, 09:25

The current word among pundits is another Aprilia team. I think it's wishful thinking. Piaggio would love to kill the MotoGP team off.

Reckless

4th May 2022, 12:32

Jeepers 13 million euros to run a satellite team thats 21mil :facepalm:
21 average NZ houses a year ( 14ish for dorkland) :no::shit:

iYRe

4th May 2022, 12:36

Jeepers 13 million euros to run a satellite team thats 21mil :facepalm:
21 average NZ houses a year ( 14ish for dorkland) :no::shit:

Well, if 14 of us uber rich aucklanders got together we could run a team!

oh no, I forgot, we're actually broke because of food/gas/rates/etc :P

Reckless

4th May 2022, 12:39

Well, if 14 of us uber rich aucklanders got together we could run a team!

oh no, I forgot, we're actually broke because of food/gas/rates/etc :P

True mate, We are actively looking to leave Howick ATM LOL
Any land next door to you??

iYRe

4th May 2022, 12:44

There's some sections for sale in Pokeno supposedly - fairly decent place, and there's a good workshop in Tuakau :) There's a few bikers out here.
Too many harleys comin through here though.. stinking up the place :P

Before here, I was lookin at this place:Land for sale Auckland, New Zealand | Kahawai Point (https://www.kahawaipoint.co.nz/) - views are bloody awesome, great place to retire to.

pritch

5th May 2022, 04:08

Fenati has been dropped by Speedup. David Emmett says it was because of a lack of results. Lopez gets the ride. Fenati has shown a talent for turning up again, it’s not impossible he could find another ride.

SaferRides

8th May 2022, 08:39

I finally watched Jerez last night. I love how the commentators were talking the track up, but it's usually a bit of a ptocession. Good to have the real Marc Marquez back, even if it was only for a few laps.

This is from David Emmett's subscriber notes after the race. Worth a read.

Finally, to an unlikely hero of the day. After examining the pace set by riders in FP3 and FP4, it was all too easy to write Marc Marquez off. Standing trackside for FP3, Marc Marquez did not look like Marc Marquez, but like someone had stolen his leathers to take the Honda RC213V out for a spin.

That lack of pace was deliberate, Marquez explained. Since his return from injury, he has been forced to save himself during practice, doing the bare minimum to ensure he got through to Q2, and to get an idea of the setup which might work. That left him with maximum energy for Sunday, and a chance to be competitive.

And he looked it. Marquez was pushing, bullying, catching moments, and saving a massive slide at Turn 13. That is a left hander, of course, Marquez stronger side. On the right side, he joked, that would not be possible. "It seems like he's got that confidence about it. I mean he was able to save a couple of decent moments from what I saw, just by the little time I spent behind him," Jack Miller said.

"It’s true that last year I had some experience and this year I tried to approach the weekends saving energy for Sunday," Marquez told us. "On Friday I tried not to use a lot of my energy for the rhythm."

It wasn't an easy strategy to follow, however. "It's difficult to work like this, but it's how I feel better on Sunday. On Saturday I push for single laps, and then in FP4 I tried to find out my rhythm, and then in the race I give everything," Marquez said..

Not yet

He was not ready to starting thinking about he MotoGP title, the Repsol Honda rider warned. "At the moment we are not ready to fight for the championship," he told us. "But it's true that we are getting closer and closer. Tomorrow we have an important test, we will continue to work on… I cannot say in that direction because still we don’t know the direction. We need to understand many things with this new bike."

He was struggling to adapt the bike to his riding style, so now he was attempting to approach it from the other end. "Nnow I'm trying to work on my riding style and try to ride in the best way possible with another riding style," Marquez told us. "But it's true still I’m struggling, but I can survive and I can get the good results for - okay in the past, you would say it’s not a good result, but now in the actual moment is a good position."

What is remarkable about Marquez is his ability to adjust his targets and live with what is realistic, rather than what he expects, which is to win every race he competes in. "It's true that I did a good race," Marquez told us. "I mean, one of my targets was fifth position today and I achieved fourth. I mean the targets need to be some targets that you can achieve because if not the frustration is too high every race, so it's not."

"Te mentality is not the position I would like to be, but what I understand is that you need to understand where is your level in actual moment and find a target that you can achieve," Marquez told us. Setting realistic goals and achieving them – or even overachieving them – is far more sensible, and places far more stress on Marquez in the races. And at this point in his career, where he is still struggling with his shoulder and arm, and a bike that doesn't want to turn with the impeccable feeling he had on the front, under-promising and overachieving is the best way for him to go.

Is Marc Marquez back? Not yet, but he is on his way. He hasn't forgotten how to ride, but he doesn't have the strength and fitness to do it week in and week out. But every week he gets strong, and a little closer to the front. And every week, he gets a little bit closer to the day when he can ride as he places, having developed the engine and chassis to his desire. He is 9th in the championship, just 45 points behind the leader, Fabio Quartararo. That is a big gap, but spread over 15 races, that is just 3 points a race he needs to recover from Quartararo. Not, by any means, impossible.

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iYRe

8th May 2022, 08:59

That's good stuff... but yeah I dont think he'll be in the top 5 this year, but next year.. different story

sugilite

8th May 2022, 10:21

I missed the Maverick discussion a few weeks back, but finally have a little time as I'm on the picton ferry, though the speed of the wifi makes a snail look like the Rossi of old lol
Also, let me prefix my comments with had I ever come up against MV for 1 lap of manfield, he would have had a cold coffee waiting for me at the finish line, motogp riders are so far above average racers it is immeasurable. Having said that, I'm putting my comments in context of the ever deepening motogp rider skill sets out there.

For what it is worth, I do not think that Aprilia hired MV to win the championship, thinking he had been mistreated and that they could manage him better. Rather they hired him because of his ability to win a race or two, so they could finally get on the winners board. As it turns out AE beat him to it. What I am noticing is MV is regurgitating all the same excuses he uttered at Yamaha. "I don't understand it, we make no changes from qualifying and the bike is completely different in the race" etc. Now he is talking up his chances of doing better on another bike. He will never be able to accept the true problem lies with him, and thus take the steps to correct them - just my opinion if course.

Now Suzuki is folding, it would be prudent that he get his head down and just go for it, his history will suggest he will just keep blaming everyone and everything else. His new problem is, other teams will see the same shit different bike reality, and sensibly go with Mir or Rins.

BMWST?

8th May 2022, 12:30

sugilite

8th May 2022, 12:51

So, what you are saying, is he needs to get a grip? :innocent:

iYRe

8th May 2022, 13:04

So, what you are saying, is he needs to get a grip? :innocent:

Boom :P

Yeah they all seem to say a similar thing, but MV seems most affected.

iYRe

8th May 2022, 15:28

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6OSErno3Hk
(crafar Tech Talk on on board cameras)

If you havent seen this, its quite interesting, about how many cameras, and how they're configured.
Having worked in TV, even with 10-20 cameras direction is a mission, with this many you'd wanna have 50 eyeballs.

James Deuce

9th May 2022, 11:20

i think MVs real problem is cannot get the confidence (and thats all it is at the top) in the grip.My understanding is the grip in the race is much different from the practises because of the moto 2 rce..They all talk at times of this but all of the others seem to hve the confidence that the grip is there it just dosnt feel like it.?? He NEEDS to know it is there .By the time he has figured it out its too late.I think this has the effect that he hasnt worn his tyres ike the others so at the end of the race he has the confidence and the grip.
Nope. He doesn't know why he is fast. He just is and he's never learned to analyse how he does what he does. At MotoGP level he's a waste of time. There have been a bunch of riders over the years who are incredible talents but struggle to put together a race let alone a championship and he's one of them. He 's been in touch with Aleix in terms of pace once since he started at Aprilia. Most KB commentators wrote Aleix off years ago, so given his form last year and this, I'm suprised more people haven't got the hint that MV doesn't know what to do to fix his issues and isn't the rider they think he is.

iYRe

9th May 2022, 12:29

Nope. He doesn't know why he is fast. He just is and he's never learned to analyse how he does what he does. At MotoGP level he's a waste of time. There have been a bunch of riders over the years who are incredible talents but struggle to put together a race let alone a championship and he's one of them. He 's been in touch with Aleix in terms of pace once since he started at Aprilia. Most KB commentators wrote Aleix off years ago, so given his form last year and this, I'm suprised more people haven't got the hint that MV doesn't know what to do to fix his issues and isn't the rider they think he is.
I saw an article today where MV says he is in for the long haul, and Aprilia seem to think he is willing to learn and to change..

Who knows, though?

F5 Dave

9th May 2022, 12:44

Long haul: Fuck I better save some of this money while I'm still able to cling onto a ride.

iYRe

9th May 2022, 12:51

Long haul: Fuck I better save some of this money while I'm still able to cling onto a ride.

Pretty much..

Also saw something saying Pol was gone from Honda and Rins was ins, either that or Mir was there. But not true, today they said negotiations had only just started.

James Deuce

9th May 2022, 17:31

Long haul: Fuck I better save some of this money while I'm still able to cling onto a ride.

Mir, Rins and Pol are on the market. Aprilia would do well to give someone at Piaggio a BJ to get one of them onboard. In other news, how long before KTM ditch their 1987 Honda CBR600 frame for something made of aluminium?

merv

9th May 2022, 23:48

In other news, how long before KTM ditch their 1987 Honda CBR600 frame for something made of aluminium?

Haha Jim, and looking at it seriously the 1987 CBR600 with steel frame won many races in its class, even here in New Zealand with Dave Martin and the like on-board, more than can be said for the number of race wins the KTM MotoGP bike has had in its career.

roogazza

10th May 2022, 14:19

Great to see the World Champ fighting for wins on the yamaha ! #20

Dovi tho, time to retire,it was never gunna work ?????

pritch

11th May 2022, 04:27

Last night Mat Oxley said he would have news today. His news is that some teams have been cheating by using illegally low tyre pressures. I’ll post a link later when I’m up.

F5 Dave

11th May 2022, 07:10

Jesus Krist! How is that cheating? :crazy:

[Edit] I've been sucked in haven't I? Sorry it was early.

pritch

11th May 2022, 09:16

Jesus Krist! How is that cheating? :crazy:

[Edit] I've been sucked in haven't I? Sorry it was early.

Herewith the detail:

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/motogp-bombshell-some-teams-are-cheating-the-tyre-rules

Oxley says he hopes there will be a meeting at the next round to discuss the situation. There will be now...

merv

11th May 2022, 11:27

Herewith the detail:

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/motogp-bombshell-some-teams-are-cheating-the-tyre-rules

Oxley says he hopes there will be a meeting at the next round to discuss the situation. There will be now...

None of this seemed to be an issue when Bridgestone was the supplier so how come it is with Michelin?

iYRe

11th May 2022, 12:25

In the article, Oxley says
Michelin’s super-sensitive front slick, which needs to operate at exactly the right temperature and pressure to perform at its best.
That's why I think... if you dont get the feels, you dont get the speed.

F5 Dave

11th May 2022, 13:14

Jezzuz. Let them whatever pressure. Fukn pansies.

I do like Oxleys columns. They started getting blocked behind a subscription wall which got all to difficult. Subscription was quite high which would be ok if you had interest in the rest of the site, but I don't.

pritch

12th May 2022, 09:29

None of this seemed to be an issue when Bridgestone was the supplier so how come it is with Michelin?

Simply put, (very simply) tyres only perform properly within a certain temperature range. The higher the performance, the narrower the range. In this case the performance level is extreme so the range is extremely narrow. No such thing as a free lunch and all that.

This leads to problems, a rider slowed for a lap or so can crash when he gets going because his tyres have cooled. Last season some riders had problems with the front tyre overheating when they were closely following another bike for several laps.

Tyres cooling was a problem with Bridgestone too for the same reason.

The WSBK system would work. Random pressure checks on the grid. Incorrect pressure? The bike is removed from the grid and starts from pit lane.

ducatilover

12th May 2022, 18:47

Random pressure test won't help if they're already monitored. Just all seems a little silly and I would suggest the pressure specs need to be re-thought

F5 Dave

12th May 2022, 19:22

Do what you want on the front. 50psi in the rear. No traction control and bring back Gary McCoy. :Punk:

James Deuce

12th May 2022, 19:48

Do what you want on the front. 50psi in the rear. No traction control and bring back Gary McCoy. :Punk:
He's busy running a restaurant. Leave Gary alone.

iYRe

13th May 2022, 07:23

Random pressure test won't help if they're already monitored. Just all seems a little silly and I would suggest the pressure specs need to be re-thought

Yeh, the story broke because they have the tire pressures from throughout the race..

ducatilover

13th May 2022, 07:26

If there was an advantage running below the spec threshold, perhaps lower the threshold. It seems like everything these last few seasons relies on the super small temp window of the Michelin tyre, if lower pressure helps, do it and have better races?

iYRe

13th May 2022, 07:32

So, if the tire gets too hot (high pressure) its dangerous, but if the pressure is too low its dangerous, but if they get the pressure right (lower than allowed) it prevents the first issue.

or something.

ducatilover

13th May 2022, 09:57

Something like that. There must be a bit of lee-way built in obvs.
Would love to see historical data, perhaps the Ducati thrives with a smidgen less pressure? Because that thing was off its tits fast with Pecco

BMWST?

13th May 2022, 11:55

In the article, Oxley says
That's why I think... if you dont get the feels, you dont get the speed.
come in Maverick over......

BMWST?

13th May 2022, 11:57

BMWST?

13th May 2022, 12:07

Simply put, (very simply) tyres only perform properly within a certain temperature range. The higher the performance, the narrower the range. In this case the performance level is extreme so the range is extremely narrow. No such thing as a free lunch and all that.

This leads to problems, a rider slowed for a lap or so can crash when he gets going because his tyres have cooled. Last season some riders had problems with the front tyre overheating when they were closely following another bike for several laps.

Tyres cooling was a problem with Bridgestone too for the same reason.

The WSBK system would work. Random pressure checks on the grid. Incorrect pressure? The bike is removed from the grid and starts from pit lane.

the teams should be alowed to run whatever pressure is required...remember Dani s predicament he is so light he couldnt get enough heat into the tyres but could do so if he was allowed to run a slighlty lower pressure. The teams MUST be allowed to run things as they see fit! The tail is wagging the dog!

iYRe

13th May 2022, 12:42

An interesting article from Taramasso:

https://www.gpone.com/en/2022/05/11/motogp/taramasso-nobody-plays-around-with-tyre-pressure-the-effects-are-disastrous.html

roogazza

13th May 2022, 15:08

the teams should be alowed to run whatever pressure is required...remember Dani s predicament he is so light he couldnt get enough heat into the tyres but could do so if he was allowed to run a slighlty lower pressure. The teams MUST be allowed to run things as they see fit! The tail is wagging the dog!

Agree BMW, I think it's just Michelin covering their arses !!!!!

French GP ! Go Fabio and Yamaha.... I'm still trying to muster up some enthusiasm for this years racing. (haven't even seen a WSB race yet !).:shifty: <_<

sugilite

13th May 2022, 15:52

He's busy running a restaurant. Leave Gary alone.

"Excuse me waiter, I have little balls of melted rubber in my soup".

On the tyre pressure thing, yes Michelin is covering their arse, however, who can blame them with team mangers blaming them for all sorts of issues. Tyres going bang on 300 kph straights is not desirable.

Though after this article coming out, will pretty much guarantee Dorna will now act.
https://www.crash.net/motogp/feature/1002481/1/francesco-bagnaia-if-i-was-illegal-so-were-18-others

SaferRides

13th May 2022, 22:11

I have a motomatters sub sometime i get access to an Oxley article through themJust register on the motorsportmagazine.com website to read more free articles. There might be a limit once you've registered but I haven't found it yet.

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pritch

14th May 2022, 04:52

Mat Oxley reports further that the Aprilia team have a sommelier. He feels they should receive extra points in the championship for this innovation.

A sommelier? That’s seriously civilised.

F5 Dave

14th May 2022, 08:04

I had to Google that as clearly I am not civilised.

pritch

14th May 2022, 09:36

Herewith the temporary tyre pressure fix.

I was somewhat surprised by the suggestions here the teams use whatever pressures they like. Delaminating or exploding tyres at 300kph plus would doubtless be exciting but would be excessively dangerous.

pritch

14th May 2022, 13:32

I had to Google that as clearly I am not civilised.

I was playing a CD (Levee Town, Sonny Landreth) in the car on the way to the shops this morning. The title song includes the line,
"Break out a bottle of fine gulping wine"

He don't need no sommelier.

onearmedbandit

14th May 2022, 13:48

I was somewhat surprised by the suggestions here the teams use whatever pressures they like.

So was I. It's not like Michelin suggest these limits for shits and giggles.

mulletman

14th May 2022, 14:10

FP2 been a crashfest in sunny conditions....rain is forecast on Sunday racetime :(

Autech

14th May 2022, 15:22

So was I. It's not like Michelin suggest these limits for shits and giggles.It did royally fuck Pedrosa though, would take him half a race to get them working after they made the pressure rule because the fatties (Redding and Baz) popped a few tyres

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husaberg

14th May 2022, 15:38

It did royally fuck Pedrosa though, would take him half a race to get them working after they made the pressure rule because the fatties (Redding and Baz) popped a few tyres

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At 51kg Dani weighted on average about 15 to 20KG less than the average rider. Do you think he would have supported either them having a 15kg lighter bike or him carrying an extra 15kg of ballast.

https://www.gpone.com/en/2018/06/26/motogp/the-perfect-champion-1-70m-tall-and-64-kg.html
As far as i know they made the pressure rule as that is what the safe design limits are for the tire.

BMWST?

14th May 2022, 16:22

At 51kg Dani weighted on average about 15 to 20KG less than the average rider do you think he would have supported either them having a 15kg lighter bike or him carrying an extra 15kg of ballast.

https://www.gpone.com/en/2018/06/26/motogp/the-perfect-champion-1-70m-tall-and-64-kg.html
As far as i know they made the pressure rule as that is what the safe design limits are for the tire.

no..let his team run the tyre pressures they need to make it work.

husaberg

14th May 2022, 16:49

no..let his team run the tyre pressures they need to make it work.

So he gets all the advantages of being 25% lighter, acceleration and braking and aerodynamics but gets special treatment on top of that as well so he's not disadvantaged....yeah seems fair
hint if he caried the same weight as others he wouldn't need a lower tire pressure.
https://www.gpone.com/sites/default/files/images/2018/article/foto/06/MotoGP//pedrosa-gasol.jpg

https://www3.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/MotoGP+of+Spain+Ap7iMIPdaORx.jpg

here is a hint of reality about pedrossa

Dani Pedrosa has launched a scathing attack on proposals to introduce a combined rider and bike weight limit in MotoGP.

The Spaniard, who is a massive 21kg lighter than the heaviest rider in MotoGP, is frustrated that rules would penalise lighter and smaller riders like him and compatriot Toni Elias.

It emerged in Jerez earlier this month that a campaign, spearheaded by Valentino Rossi and fellow Italian Marco Simoncelli, has been launched to get a rider and bike weight limit introduced.

Simoncelli is adamant he’s at an unfair disadvantage being the heaviest rider in MotoGP at 72kg. The San Carlo Gresini Honda rider said: “My problem is that I’m bigger than the other riders and this messes up the fuel consumption and I have to go for a more lean engine set-up, and this is not good for the bike’s performance on the straight and the bike can push less.”

Pocket rocket Pedrosa, who weighs in at a featherweight 51kg, couldn’t disguise his anger at the rule plan, which will be discussed by the powerful Motorcycle Sport Manufacturers Association in the coming weeks

BMWST?

14th May 2022, 17:30

So he gets all the advantages of being 25% lighter, acceleration and braking and aerodynamics but gets special treatment on top of that as well so he's not disadvantaged....yeah seems fair
hint if he cared the same weight as others he wouldn't need a lower tire pressure.

I am sure that being so small also had its disadvantages.The teams should be allowed to vary the tyre pressure as they wish.They dont want to destroy the tyres ,bikes and riders. Dani could have run the pressure he needs and the bigger guys can run the pressures that they need. If they do have pressure reports they can manage it just as they manage fuel

husaberg

14th May 2022, 19:29

I am sure that being so small also had its disadvantages.The teams should be allowed to vary the tyre pressure as they wish.They dont want to destroy the tyres ,bikes and riders. Dani could have run the pressure he needs and the bigger guys can run the pressures that they need. If they do have pressure reports they can manage it just as they manage fuel

Yeah, and they could all ballast all the the riders to 70KG and he wouldn't need to adjust the tire pressure under what the manufacturer uses for safety reasons. Only he never wanted that.
he was dead against that oddly enough....
iI's also odd they use weight limits to even out performace in all sorts of other classes and sports like horse racing when its not an issue according to the smallest midget in the paddock odd indeed
https://www.motorcyclenews.com/sport/motogp/2011/april/apr1411danipedrosacriticisesweightlimitplan/

Autech

14th May 2022, 21:19

Yeah, and they could all ballast all the the riders to 70KG and he wouldn't need to adjust the tire pressure under what the manufacturer uses for safety reasons. Only he never wanted that.
Funny he was dead against that odd....
iI's also odd they use weight limits to even out performace in all sorts of other classes and sports like horse racing when its not an issue according to the smallest midget in the paddock odd indeed
https://www.motorcyclenews.com/sport/motogp/2011/april/apr1411danipedrosacriticisesweightlimitplan/You over simplify it. Adding 15kg to the bike wouldn't have had the same effect as adding 15kg to the rider. But you can't go strapping 15KG of dumbells to a rider can you?

But, allowing the rider to run the correct pressure to get the tyres working? Totally different thing

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husaberg

14th May 2022, 21:32

You over simplify it. Adding 15kg to the bike wouldn't have had the same effect as adding 15kg to the rider. But you can't go strapping 15KG of dumbells to a rider can you?

But, allowing the rider to run the correct pressure to get the tyres working? Totally different thing

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It would negate the need for lower tire pressure.
Also odd that Moto2 and Moto3 both have combined minimum weights.

The reason he wanted to use lower pressures was his weight was too low but he wanted to have the advantages of the low weight with none of the disadvantages.
it's very common to ballast bike and cars in racing.

Shit dani should have been allowed to use a 2 liter engine as well with unlimited rebuilds as well on account of his stubby t rex arms.:shifty:

tigertim20

15th May 2022, 01:57

So was I. It's not like Michelin suggest these limits for shits and giggles.

Why?
the amount these lot spend on bike development and monitoring of every detail of the bike, surely the teams are well enough armed to make decisions about tyre pressure for their rider and bike combo.

onearmedbandit

15th May 2022, 09:20

Why?
the amount these lot spend on bike development and monitoring of every detail of the bike, surely the teams are well enough armed to make decisions about tyre pressure for their rider and bike combo.

And maybe they should tell Brembo to go screw themselves when they enforce the use of larger front disc rotors at certain tracks too? Like you say, the manufacturers develop and monitor every detail of the bike so what can some little brake manufacturer tell them they don't know...

Hmmmm maybe it has something to do with the fact none of the motorcycle manufacturers develop their own brakes and tyres.

tigertim20

15th May 2022, 12:22

And maybe they should tell Brembo to go screw themselves when they enforce the use of larger front disc rotors at certain tracks too? Like you say, the manufacturers develop and monitor every detail of the bike so what can some little brake manufacturer tell them they don't know...

Hmmmm maybe it has something to do with the fact none of the motorcycle manufacturers develop their own brakes and tyres.

should be teams choice which to use. theyre only going to deny themselves points if they make the wrong call.

Rider is going to get a say since theyre riding the thing if they have a safety / feeling concern

onearmedbandit

15th May 2022, 13:09

should be teams choice which to use. theyre only going to deny themselves points if they make the wrong call.

Rider is going to get a say since theyre riding the thing if they have a safety / feeling concern

Maybe Dorna has an agreement with Michelin that states they must provide tyres that can safely go the distance of a race. Michelin says no problem can do, but only if they're used under these parameters can we guarantee that. So Dorna look at that and go yup we will enforce that then.

We could also add that on the world stage Michelin don't want the world to see their tyres delaminating or failing in any manner so stipulate requirements of use.

Or maybe Michelin are just having a laugh and fucking with teams for shits and giggles...

onearmedbandit

15th May 2022, 13:42

pritch

15th May 2022, 17:16

Rider is going to get a say since theyre riding the thing if they have a safety / feeling concern

Oxley says the riders who were running illegal pressures would not have been told.

husaberg

15th May 2022, 22:49

Oxley says the riders who were running illegal pressures would not have been told.

If the tire failed i bet the team would not have taken the blame aimed at Michelin either.

pritch

15th May 2022, 23:40

Yesterday there were some photos from an Irish road race IIRC. The tyres had delaminated and large chunks of the casing had gone. By large I mean most of the width of tbe tyre by maybe thirty to forty cm. Dunlops in this instance. Manufacturing tyres must be a tricky business.

F5 Dave

18th May 2022, 08:24

I've been reading Motocourse 1991 over breakfast for last week or so. Tyres delamination and chunking is a big feature early in the year.

iYRe

18th May 2022, 08:27

Autech

18th May 2022, 09:40

Very interesting hearing Simon's comments regarding Alberto Puig. Like most he saw him as being very grumpy to approach until he realised that Alberto was so invested in the riders, in their well-being, their performance that he comes across like an over sensitive father. And a number of riders both past and present have also remarked how supportive he is. Just goes to show impressions can be very deceiving.

Yeah it's not often I label someone a cunt that I've not met (except Drew and I say it with love), but I had Puig labelled as a deadset cunt, maybe I was wrong... BUT... You've got to wonder how this actually manifests in the box, look how the results have gone south since he arrived...

Looks like it might be time for a technical fiddle again, I'm all for progress etc but if progress is riders unable to pass due to tyre pressures going through the fucking roof every time they get near someone... Looks like Ducati are the only ones able to overtake and even then they're locking the front and taking riders out doing it... We've had some awesome years of racing under the triple M regs but they engineers have got their heads around all of them now.

Binder, how fucking good is the guy? Riding the bike with 1 wing all race and staying clear of all the other KTMS and in the points...

Reckless

18th May 2022, 10:04

The rough rule of thumb is that 1kg = 1HP Prob more in MotoGP.
So our Danni had an advantage.

Tyres
The riders don't know where they are in the pack so the tyre pressures are a toss up.
Miller
But even if you know that you [might] go in front, you prepare for being behind and try to get the lowest [pressure] possible. Because when you are behind, the tyre is going up a lot.”
Aleix
“It’s a very difficult thing for the teams and also for Michelin because as Pecco and Fabio said, how do you know if you are going to be following 3 bikes or will have a free track?

They didn't have this as a major Issue a couple of years ago so they need to go backwards and eliminate what is causing it. Prob the aero.
They get into the slipstream to get a tow and that puts them into the heat vortex. They need to eliminate this or use a tyre that can handle it or both.
Being forced to race a second behind the rider in front is not racing. They need to fix this.

onearmedbandit

18th May 2022, 10:27

The rough rule of thumb is that 1kg = 1HP Prob more in MotoGP.
So our Danni had an advantage.

I had always heard of 4kg = 1hp in racing (But I may be completely wrong).

iYRe

18th May 2022, 10:28

Not sure it is possible to make a tire that doesnt have this problem when it gets hot, I expect it would be affecting any manufacturer who had the job.

I'm sure the boffins can come up with some solution on the bike to help keep it cooler.. Perhaps can also maybe make the tire a little more resistant to pressure change, but then, that would no doubt affect the "Feeling" or its longevity or a myriad of other detrimental things, right? So, I reckon it has to be on the bike.. somehow. Does anyone know if they use Nitrogen in them instead of straight air? I feel like no.

roogazza

18th May 2022, 11:31

So, I reckon it has to be on the bike.. somehow. Does anyone know if they use Nitrogen in them instead of straight air? I feel like no.

We tried using Nitrogen in the longer races like the 6 hr way back in the mid 70's. Just one of the things tried to make a tyre last..Before tyre changes had to be accepted and used.

But yes, I'd be happy to see aero removed and tyres sorted.
The sheer speed of the bikes now have to cope with max speeds of what over 360 kph ??? !!!!!!

onearmedbandit

18th May 2022, 12:11

At least we're not seeing this in MotoGP. But I'd wager having it happen at the NW200 is far worse.

https://youtu.be/GlmexJfy3IE

https://www.newsletter.co.uk/sport/motorcycling/nw200-dunlop-tyres-uk-event-manager-explains-decision-to-withdraw-riders-from-superbike-finale-3694858

Reckless

18th May 2022, 12:34

I had always heard of 4kg = 1hp in racing (But I may be completely wrong).

OK quick google
7lbs ( 3.17kg) drag racers rough rule of thumb = 1hp
So you are much closer then me 3.2kg per HP makes me feel a shit load happier.
Then they go into rotational mass being different etc etc

Secondly saw a Crafar tech talk
The area of a tin can bottom exposed at full speed is like loosing 1hp

Interesting stuff.

sugilite

18th May 2022, 17:25

Binder, how fucking good is the guy? Riding the bike with 1 wing all race and staying clear of all the other KTMS and in the points...

I reckon they need to put wee explosives where the wings attach, so if they have one wiped off, boom there goes the other one to restore balance :yes:
I also reckon if KTM want to be consistent, they need to discard the tubular frames. My understanding is no two are alike. Ducati never got it sorted, so yeah.

Not sure it is possible to make a tire that doesnt have this problem when it gets hot, I expect it would be affecting any manufacturer who had the job.

I'm sure the boffins can come up with some solution on the bike to help keep it cooler..

Simply air cool the tires, now hear me out. Remove the wings, the resulting horn monos will bring the front tire temp down - job done, thank me later dorna. :D

iYRe

18th May 2022, 17:56

Simply air cool the tires, now hear me out. Remove the wings, the resulting horn monos will bring the front tire temp down - job done, thank me later dorna. :D

i'm hearin ya..

iYRe

18th May 2022, 19:59

Possible JM has gone to KTM (I doubt)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbuN_eRaJXk

Reckless

21st May 2022, 03:49

https://the-race.com/motogp/motogp-has-to-end-its-aero-spiral-for-the-sake-of-racing/

Update
This was a post in the thread under the article can't say I disagree.

MotoGP has reached a space-time where prototypes have little relevance to production bikes. The same thing happened at the conclusion of the 2-stroke formula, hence the jump to 990cc 4-strokes under the new MotoGP moniker. While the manufacturers have made some effort to tie Superbike to MotoGP, there is virtually no connection to the broader industry. In fact, I'd argue the broader industry would reject much of MotoGP's identity as homogenous, expensive and/or undesirable.

For all intents and purposes, MotoGP is a commercial for motorcycling that the manufacturers use to raise awareness through entertainment. Wings and active suspension do not improve the entertainment value, and, the MotoGP version of these systems is not production relevant. They need to be banned immediately, and the electronics need to be further restricted.

I think we may be at a turning point In MotoGP.
We are seeing less of the rider and more of the bike.
Rider input is the essence of our sport we just cant loose that aspect as it truly puts us above any other form of racing imho.

pritch

26th May 2022, 22:23

Aprilia have announced there will be a special press conference this weekend. Here’s hoping it’s a satellite team and not a withdrawal.

ducatilover

26th May 2022, 23:31

Aprilia have announced there will be a special press conference this weekend. Here’s hoping it’s a satellite team and not a withdrawal.

I'm hoping RNF satellite team with Fernandez and Rins

iYRe

27th May 2022, 07:15

Apparently keeping AE and MV, and teasing a satellite team

James Deuce

27th May 2022, 08:14

Apparently keeping AE and MV, and teasing a satellite team

WTAF were they thinking? Keeping MV? With a volatile rider market and riders available who actually want to win?

iYRe

27th May 2022, 09:05

WTAF were they thinking? Keeping MV? With a volatile rider market and riders available who actually want to win?

I think they feel like they think MV, once he feels part of the family, will relax and realise more of his potential.

iYRe

27th May 2022, 09:30

Oooh, just heard it confirmed that Miller doesnt get a factory ride next year and Jorge Martin wont get one either. Also confirmed JM is talking to KTM (this came from Ducati themselves).

Reckless

27th May 2022, 10:11

Here is an article on Aprilia

https://the-race.com/motogp/ready-to-go-home-espargaro-felt-closer-to-exit-than-new-deal/

Re Miller I don't think he is getting a fair call considering the results so far.

sugilite

27th May 2022, 14:20

WTAF were they thinking? Keeping MV? With a volatile rider market and riders available who actually want to win?

Makes me wonder if Honda have wrapped up MIR but have not announced it. My thoughts are if that were the case surely Rins would be better than MV.

James Deuce

27th May 2022, 14:42

I think they feel like they think MV, once he feels part of the family, will relax and realise more of his potential.

They're wrong. They would have been better getting their hands on Darren Binder.

jim.cox

27th May 2022, 14:54

My thoughts are if that were the case surely Rins would be better than MV.

Surely ANYONE would be better than MV...

iYRe

27th May 2022, 16:18

They're wrong. They would have been better getting their hands on Darren Binder.

Darren Binder would be better than a lot of the guys in the top 10 on a decent bike.. Maybe Jack and him can turn it around at KTM

mulletman

27th May 2022, 19:55

Aprilia going to have 4 bikes on the grid next year , RNF shifting over.

F5 Dave

27th May 2022, 19:55

Surely ANYONE would be better than MV...

Yeah, but I'm not sure I'd be that keen on the travel. I always get a bad night's sleep in hotel beds.

No. Look. I'm out. Keep lookin.

James Deuce

27th May 2022, 21:30

Darren Binder would be better than a lot of the guys in the top 10 on a decent bike.. Maybe Jack and him can turn it around at KTM

KTM WILL NOT turn it around until they abandon that 1987 CBR600F frame. KTM have already eaten some really good riders. Pretty soon, Red Bull's marketing team is going to pop in to KTM headquarters and tell them they don't have Red Bull sponsorship anymore.

James Deuce

27th May 2022, 21:31

Yeah, but I'm not sure I'd be that keen on the travel. I always get a bad night's sleep in hotel beds.

No. Look. I'm out. Keep lookin.

Just take your favourite pillow and cuddle toy and you'll be fine.

Reckless

27th May 2022, 23:28

Oooh, just heard it confirmed that Miller doesnt get a factory ride next year and Jorge Martin wont get one either. Also confirmed JM is talking to KTM (this came from Ducati themselves).

evidence we need evidence :P

iYRe

28th May 2022, 13:21

evidence we need evidence :P

right here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJebmqegvP4

mulletman

28th May 2022, 19:06

Simon has a blat on the RS-GP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ireQAONfUSo

James Deuce

29th May 2022, 08:15

right here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJebmqegvP4
Love how they used a thumbnail of him looking like a drunk pirate. The assassination has begun.

iYRe

29th May 2022, 09:13

Love how they used a thumbnail of him looking like a drunk pirate. The assassination has begun.

hahaha..

also MM out after the next race:
Marc Marquez to undergo further surgery on right humerus | MotoGP™ (https://www.motogp.com/en/news/2022/05/28/marc-marquez-to-undergo-further-surgery-on-right-humerus/422803)

mulletman

29th May 2022, 10:09

hahaha..

also MM out after the next race:
Marc Marquez to undergo further surgery on right humerus | MotoGP™ (https://www.motogp.com/en/news/2022/05/28/marc-marquez-to-undergo-further-surgery-on-right-humerus/422803)

Might not see him for the rest of the year ?
Bradl gonna take up the ride ?

mulletman

29th May 2022, 10:12

Top qualifiers :gob:

https://www.crash.net/motogp/feature/1003971/1/five-motogp-riders-shocked-us-during-qualifying-mugello

sugilite

29th May 2022, 10:18

Maverick Viñales celebrates his Aprilia contract extension with a storming qualifying run of 24th position. What was Aprilia thinking? :facepalm:

James Deuce

29th May 2022, 13:07

Maverick Viñales celebrates his Aprilia contract extension with a storming qualifying run of 24th position. What was Aprilia thinking? :facepalm:
The BT Sport commentators were crapping on about how close AE and MV are as MV was asking AE for advice during Q1. They get on well because AE knows MV isn't a credible threat.

Reckless

29th May 2022, 14:30

The BT Sport commentators were crapping on about how close AE and MV are as MV was asking AE for advice during Q1. They get on well because AE knows MV isn't a credible threat.

I was hoping MV could make it work ( although I am not a fan) but now thinking when team 2 riders start beating him next year he is going to really struggle.

Secondly Millar cant find a break I really felt for him. You gotta cheer for the aussy from down under. Lets see if Bags can stay on this race.
Love to see Miller dick him in the overall championship :)

Bloody rookie city at the top in Qually - Nothing to loose all to gain - Just shows how in the head racing has become with 1000ths between them all.
What we are also seeing is riders really have to gel with the bike to get those final 100ths - there are good riders down in 20th because of this eg Morbidelli.

Finally this is MM's last chance, he is fucked if this operation doesn't work? Been reading how he has been giving kudos to Rossi for his contribution to the sport etc.
Dads done a good job with those boys I reckon but We might see both Marquez out of GP.

Q2 and Q1 where awesome but what the hell is the weather for the race??

BMWST?

29th May 2022, 15:12

I was hoping MV could make it work ( although I am not a fan) but now thinking when team 2 riders start beating him next year he is going to really struggle.

Secondly Millar cant find a break I really felt for him. You gotta cheer for the aussy from down under. Lets see if Bags can stay on this race.
Love to see Miller dick him in the overall championship :)

Bloody rookie city at the top in Qually - Nothing to loose all to gain - Just shows how in the head racing has become with 1000ths between them all.
What we are also seeing is riders really have to gel with the bike to get those final 100ths - there are good riders down in 20th because of this eg Morbidelli.

Finally this is MM's last chance, he is fucked if this operation doesn't work? Been reading how he has been giving kudos to Rossi for his contribution to the sport etc.
Dads done a good job with those boys I reckon but We might see both Marquez out of GP.

Q2 and Q1 where awesome but what the hell is the weather for the race??
MM is obviously still very motivatd,and i think this is a far easier opertion than what he has been through,just a clean break then reet in a dfferent posistin.The question for me is wether the work on his shoulder will work

BMWST?

29th May 2022, 15:13

pritch

29th May 2022, 16:19

Four surgeries for one problem is not usually a great indicator of a successful outcome. I wish him well, but fingers crossed.

iYRe

30th May 2022, 13:14

Four surgeries for one problem is not usually a great indicator of a successful outcome. I wish him well, but fingers crossed.

They have been talking about needing this surgery since 2021 as he cant fully rotate his right arm/shoulder (according to crash.net)

roogazza

31st May 2022, 13:56

Looking good #20 hang in there Fabio Q

Go Yamaha !!!!!!!!! :woohoo::woohoo::Punk:

Autech

31st May 2022, 14:08

Good to see some overtaking this one, both stonking races in Motogp and Moto2 (I'm still boycotting Moto3 as it puts the shits up me lol).

Poor Suzuki team and fuck their upper management for doing this mid season to them.

Riders of the race:
Fabio. He really takes the "Wait until you see God, then brake" to heart. Truly awesome stuff.
Brad Binder - Lick stamp, send it
Aleix - Properly clinical

Bags did as Bags did, he seems to be rock solid or fall off. Still pure class though, lets see if he can salvage something from the season. Millers bad luck continues, he's becoming one of the riders with absolutely no luck.
I'd say without the Qatar mechanical he'd still be in the mix as he's a pretty solid finisher most of the time. If a Ducati doesn't win the title this year they have no excuse (as they haven't for many years), it really is the best bike on the grid. Having so many of them competitive might bite them come the riders championship though.

Aprilia/Aleix - I've often thought it's a great all round bike, it doesn't seem to stand out anywhere in particular that I can see compared to the other bikes, which I think might be one of it's problems. If you're ok everywhere but not great anywhere then it's pretty hard to make a move, IE it only turns slightly better than the Ducatis, engine is almost as fast but not faster, doesn't brake any better etc...
I wonder if they're going to have to put a bit of focus into it's set up to give Aleix something better to attack with, even if it means sacrificing somewhere else.

If we do the same comparison to Yamaha/Fabio - It turns wayy better than the Ducatis, the engine is much slower in the top gears but Fabio gets excellent exit drive, and the braking, as mentioned above Fabio is insane on the brakes, so he has a point of difference to exploit and attack and defend with.

Of course none of this is telemetry based and I could be totally wrong, but it seems to me that in a straight up fight Aprilia are reaching at the bottom of the tool box trying to find something to throw at them.

onearmedbandit

31st May 2022, 14:20

Aprilia/Aleix - I've often thought it's a great all round bike, it doesn't seem to stand out anywhere in particular that I can see compared to the other bikes, which I think might be one of it's problems. If you're ok everywhere but not great anywhere then it's pretty hard to make a move, IE it only turns slightly better than the Ducatis, engine is almost as fast but not faster, doesn't brake any better etc...
I wonder if they're going to have to put a bit of focus into it's set up to give Aleix something better to attack with, even if it means sacrificing somewhere else.

The comment from the team boss on the weekend was they need to focus on braking attack strength, and he clarified that by stating 'for the bike'.

iYRe

31st May 2022, 14:31

The comment from the team boss on the weekend was they need to focus on braking attack strength, and he clarified that by stating 'for the bike'.

They also had the clutch problem, although they AE seemed to get away decently on the weekend, so they must have resolved that, because if he can get away in the leading pack he has a good chance

Autech

31st May 2022, 14:59

Yeah I heard that, hopefully they can give him some tools without ruining too much of the rest of the good bits.

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onearmedbandit

31st May 2022, 15:26

Here's hoping. While first and foremost I'm a fan of racing over any one particular rider or team, if there's anyone I want to see take the championship this year it's the Aleix/Aprilia combo.

pritch

31st May 2022, 20:56

Having watched all three races now I have a question. What will Acosta be riding next year? He should just about be able to take his pick. Is there a vacancy at Repsol?

Reckless

31st May 2022, 22:06

Yeah I heard that, hopefully they can give him some tools without ruining too much of the rest of the good bits.

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Yeh but what I have noticed Aleix always seems to have something left towards the end. It seems good on its tyres if they change it to much he might loose that :no:
Same I'd like to see him win it this year. Obviously a passionate guy "The Captain". Consistency wins ;)

Pritch Re: Acosta Prob any bike he wants by the Moto2 result this round LOL

pritch

1st June 2022, 10:18

Pritch Re: Acosta Prob any bike he wants by the Moto2 result this round LOL

It seemed he was a bit quiet since he came to Moto2. Last year in Moto3 he arrived already used to the bikes, he finished second in his first race, then won the next three. In Moto2 he required a period of adjustment. It would seem that's over.

At Mugello he became the youngest ever winner in the intermediate class, beating the previous record held by Mark Marquez. Anyone breaking Marquez' records has to be worth watching.

Autech

1st June 2022, 18:14

It seemed he was a bit quiet since he came to Moto2. Last year in Moto3 he arrived already used to the bikes, he finished second in his first race, then won the next three. In Moto2 he required a period of adjustment. It would seem that's over.

At Mugello he became the youngest ever winner in the intermediate class, beating the previous record held by Mark Marquez. Anyone breaking Marquez' records has to be worth watching.To quote MM himself "He rides different" or something to that effect.

He's done his learning, now look out. Canet is good but he's a crasher, always has been... Ogura is the main threat I reckon

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ducatilover

2nd June 2022, 11:41

One thing I noticed with Pedro's riding, he is elbows high and body upwards in hard braking in to corners, looks really odd

Oncu has copied this style late last year and definitely this year

F5 Dave

2nd June 2022, 12:43

I like the way they lean into corners. Has anyone else noticed that? Surprising they don't fall over. Young men in a rush. I'm sure no good will come of it.

Autech

3rd June 2022, 09:36

One thing I noticed with Pedro's riding, he is elbows high and body upwards in hard braking in to corners, looks really odd

Oncu has copied this style late last year and definitely this year

Interesting, I shall have a nosey next time. I did notice in Moto3 just how much confidence he had when it got out of shape.

I like the way they lean into corners. Has anyone else noticed that? Surprising they don't fall over. Young men in a rush. I'm sure no good will come of it.

Mad innit?

Its always funny when people say that to me when they see some photos of me or others racing, like how don't you fall over? I'm like I do half the time lol. Really hard to explain how it doesn't feel like you're doing that when on the bike though, wonder how it feels to have the elbow and shoulder dragging too like Fabio? Cranked!

iYRe

3rd June 2022, 09:50

Today's news is, FQ has resigned with Yamaha.. apparently they made some promise to him, but I havent watched the interview yet to find out what it was, if they said it.

F5 Dave

3rd June 2022, 11:05

Interesting, I shall have a nosey next time. I did notice in Moto3 just how much confidence he had when it got out of shape.

Mad innit?

Its always funny when people say that to me when they see some photos of me or others racing, like how don't you fall over? I'm like I do half the time lol. Really hard to explain how it doesn't feel like you're doing that when on the bike though, wonder how it feels to have the elbow and shoulder dragging too like Fabio? Cranked!

Usually painful in my experience.

James Deuce

3rd June 2022, 12:35

Today's news is, FQ has resigned with Yamaha.. apparently they made some promise to him, but I havent watched the interview yet to find out what it was, if they said it.

What a colossal idiot.

F5 Dave

3rd June 2022, 12:59

They will need to tempt MV back pronto eh?

Reckless

3rd June 2022, 13:02

Fabio interview at press conference They finally promised him more power.

https://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2022/06/02/quartararo-reveals-yamaha-promise-that-convinced-him-to-stay/423846

The announcement
https://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2022/06/02/signed-sealed-and-delivered-quartararo-talks-yamaha-deal/423830

Pol is getting the shaft at Honda pretty poor I reckon
https://the-race.com/motogp/honda-chassis-snub-a-clear-hint-of-espargaros-motogp-future/

Pol and Miller will be fighting over the same seats in this climate prob on a shit KTM.

iYRe

3rd June 2022, 19:24

What a colossal idiot.

err I meant re-signed not resigned :P

sorry

F5 Dave

3rd June 2022, 19:30

Hahaha, ahh English, how you are such a shit language.

Not that I know any others.

Except for Klingon, and mostly that's just grunting and flatulence.

F5 Dave

3rd June 2022, 19:35

Taka would be great in superbikes.

Pol would just spoil it.

Put him ona Duckitti or better yet, teammate to his brother and light the fuse. His dream move to hrc was sadly timed to thier lowest ebb.

Autech

3rd June 2022, 22:00

Good call for Fabio, the only other bike I think he'd 100% do well on is not not going to be on the grid next year, so it's the smart choice. Only bike I'd say he can now ditch the Yamaha for would be Ducati and even that's a risk going by his riding style

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Autech

3rd June 2022, 22:41

As for this weekend. This will be Aleix Espagaros 2nd win, if its not him it'll be rins.

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onearmedbandit

3rd June 2022, 22:50

Reckless

3rd June 2022, 23:54

Hmmm I see Rins laid the blame for this solely at Taka's feet, even in the press conference he said the Taka is the dirtiest rider on the grid. I guess the frustration of everything is getting to him.

https://www.reddit.com/r/motogp/comments/v0m6zi/the_crash_of_alex_rins_in_mugello/

Taka went to the paint and stayed on the paint. No way you have to close the gas and let the other rider through when your side by side.
Especially if he had the inside line for the next corner.
I read another thread on this and there was a fair bit of debate both ways.
I'm with Taka on this one on the track. Plus Rins comments where a bit OTT.

Autech: I hope your right about Aleix :)

ducatilover

4th June 2022, 00:41

As for this weekend. This will be Aleix Espagaros 2nd win, if its not him it'll be rins.

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But I'm always wrong

iYRe

4th June 2022, 10:10

MM update: apparently surgery was successful - assuming nothing else happens he should be back for the last race, or at least testing..

IF this doesnt work he's gone.

pritch

4th June 2022, 19:12

MM update: apparently surgery was successful - assuming nothing else happens he should be back for the last race, or at least testing..

IF this doesnt work he's gone.

I saw a diagram of the operation but have no idea where. They've cut right through the bone a few inches below the shoulder, twisted the lower part around and then plated and screwed it back together. This should alter the range of movement available to him.

Rather him than me.

iYRe

4th June 2022, 21:32

Rather him than me.

I concur.. had my share of surgeries

Autech

5th June 2022, 00:55

Fucking great time to be an Aleix Espagaro fan. That was one hell of a quali lap.

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onearmedbandit

6th June 2022, 00:46

Well that was an unexpected end to that race...

Also hope Taka is ok, that looked very nasty between Peco's rear tyre and his helmet and chest.

mulletman

6th June 2022, 07:54

Fucking great time to be an Aleix Espagaro fan. That was one hell of a quali lap.

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Till you see the the last laps...

mulletman

6th June 2022, 07:59

Well that was an unexpected end to that race...

Also hope Taka is ok, that looked very nasty between Peco's rear tyre and his helmet and chest.

That impact just about took his head off !

James Deuce

6th June 2022, 10:04

Till you see the the last laps...
What a colossal fucking idiot.

sugilite

6th June 2022, 11:27

What a colossal fucking idiot.

I thought his bike must of expired, then uh oh.
I cant talk though, I once did exactly the same in a supermoto race :facepalm:

James Deuce

6th June 2022, 11:31

I thought his bike must of expired, then uh oh.
I cant talk though, I once did exactly the same in a supermoto race :facepalm:
We expect you to be silly.

onearmedbandit

6th June 2022, 11:38

I thought it was a mechanical too...until I saw him putting his thumb up and waving like he was celebrating and not stopping the bike...then I was like oh shit he's counted the laps wrong.

sugilite

6th June 2022, 11:54

We expect you to be silly.

I think it was a case of wishful thinking overriding reality. 2nd to last lap, I'm still on top of the KX500 instead of under it, think I'll declare the race over.
The only race bike I have ever had a win or crash finishing record on.
In the early days of supermoto, lots of the other riders often tried each others bikes, not one asked to ride mine, cannot think why that would of been? :brick:

Back on topic, Fabio - wow, just wow! That pace all the way to the end, simply phenomenal. I hope Marc comes back healthy next year and back to his old form. To see those two go head to head at the peak of their powers would be amazing! :drool:

onearmedbandit

6th June 2022, 11:57

Back on topic, Fabio - wow, just wow! That pace all the way to the end, simply phenomenal. I hope Marc comes back healthy next year and back to his old form. To see those two go head to head at the peak of their powers would be amazing! :drool:

100% agreed.

Autech

6th June 2022, 12:27

Yeah turns out there's a reason, the lap counter there is fucking stupid and different to everywhere else. Being such hot weather wouldn't have helped too...

But.

Aleix should have known better especially as a local, never felt more sorry for someone in my life. Fuck ups happen though and its not like he's used to getting podiums week in week out.

Fabio, fucking weapon.

Nakagami, dickhead.

Ducati will never win a riders title with so many Ducatis on the grid taking points off each other.

Also, Moto2 is awesome this year.

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husaberg

6th June 2022, 12:38

I saw a diagram of the operation but have no idea where. They've cut right through the bone a few inches below the shoulder, twisted the lower part around and then plated and screwed it back together. This should alter the range of movement available to him.

Rather him than me.
About 4 years i snapped my humerus.
As they expected it to heal it was left ages in a hanging cast and not plated until much later.
After they plated it, it was great but it always felt it was rotated 20-30 degrees from where it should have been, as i couldn't go palms down to 180 degrees.
I was told by my surgeon this was from lack of movement and muscle contracture. but doing a bit of reading up now it seems that misalignment in surgery for the Humerus is very common. (malrotation of over 20 degrees was found in 27.2% in the IMN group (all patients had humeral head internal rotation) and 40.9% in the MIPO group (55.6% of patients had internal rotation and 44.4% had external rotation) https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-98040-6

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