Moto GP 2022

[jellywrestler]

Is it just me or are they actually getting more serious about poor riding and dishing out more penalties, doing things like minimum age going up etc? 2022 is going to be interesting. I'll be watching closely how they run qualifying first off, there's been a lot of comments on tactics versus risk there

[F5 Dave]

How about 200ml less gas allowance for each infringement?

[tigertim20]

How about 200ml less gas allowance for each infringement?

oooh a fuel penalty would be pretty effective!

[pritch]

oooh a fuel penalty would be pretty effective!

Disqualification sends a stern message.

[jellywrestler]

oooh a fuel penalty would be pretty effective!

IOMTT used to have a petrol limit in the very early days.

[tigertim20]

Disqualification sends a stern message.

one round disqualification is good.
But if every infraction meant your total fuel carry for the rest of the season reduced by XX ml I bet you would see a rapid improvement in rider behavior

[F5 Dave]

MM might find himself on a fuel economy run.

[pritch]

one round disqualification is good.
But if every infraction meant your total fuel carry for the rest of the season reduced by XX ml I bet you would see a rapid improvement in rider behavior

There was a fuel limit in MotoGP, it may have been relaxed. It resulted in big banks of fridges to keep the gas chilled, and bikes had insulating blankets over the tank while on the grid. I wondered at that latter cause their tanks tend to be more under the riders arse.

[jellywrestler]

There was a fuel limit in MotoGP, it may have been relaxed. It resulted in big banks of fridges to keep the gas chilled, and bikes had insulating blankets over the tank while on the grid. I wondered at that latter cause their tanks tend to be more under the riders arse.

Surely the consequences of running out at pace would make that risky, maybe the onboard data would take care of that. Back in the six hour days here we had gas tanks in the chiller at a pub down town feilding, I think at one race in a pukekohe three hour the gas expanded quicker than consumption and caused either an over flow or a split tank so the practice was stomped on.....

[F5 Dave]

I think it is currently 22l and was reduced a while back. Regulation of use is something they obsess over in the pits I believe.

[jellywrestler]

imagine starting the next season behind the eight ball from day one? The Formula one cars certainly know how to spend their time in the naughty corners it seems.

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-autosport/1533937/Lewis-Hamilton-at-risk-10-place-grid-penalty-Saudi-Arabian-GP-antics-F1-news

[jellywrestler]

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/994922/1/motogp-amends-sporting-technical-medical-disciplinary-rules?fbclid=IwAR3bM37edJdyLYe2rRTgJz6zv5Nsmx2u3_-x-eXbvi8V-Xd7h7QhuxMaZ4Q


not even allowed to appeal some stuff

[HenryDorsetCase]

IOMTT used to have a petrol limit in the very early days.

I seem to recall reading somewhere that was how they sold it to "The powers that be" - along the lines of "No no, no - this is not a race. This is a reliability trial. We're using motorcycles (everyday, working man's transport at the time) and testing them in real world conditions for reliability and fuel consumption. That's why we need to use the road and why this island is perfect for it". "Oh, well, son, as long as it's not a race that will be fine!"

[F5 Dave]

I saw the rider fitness thing, it makes sense, but could be expanded with both minimum levels of damage to body to protect against some of the silly shit riders will try to do while injured. But also maximums, perhaps disallowing training regiemes such as gym work, running or other activities. Two pie minimum morning tea, and a kebab or fish and chips before the race. Following the race the manufacturers championship will be based on how much vino the team can comsume in 45minutes :drinknsin

[BMWST?]

.......... Following the race the manufacturers championship will be based on how much vino the team can comsume in 45minutes :drinknsin and then rebuild a bike which is then sealed and used for the next round's qualifying bike.

[jellywrestler]

I seem to recall reading somewhere that was how they sold it to "The powers that be" - along the lines of "No no, no - this is not a race. This is a reliability trial. We're using motorcycles (everyday, working man's transport at the time) and testing them in real world conditions for reliability and fuel consumption. That's why we need to use the road and why this island is perfect for it". "Oh, well, son, as long as it's not a race that will be fine!"

they used the road in the IOM as they had to start somewhere, no fixed circuits were built yet aprt from Brooklands, and they didn't allow bikes on there for a wee while, and england wouldn't allow road closures hence the trip abroad.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I saw the rider fitness thing, it makes sense, but could be expanded with both minimum levels of damage to body to protect against some of the silly shit riders will try to do while injured. But also maximums, perhaps disallowing training regiemes such as gym work, running or other activities. Two pie minimum morning tea, and a kebab or fish and chips before the race. Following the race the manufacturers championship will be based on how much vino the team can comsume in 45minutes :drinknsin

John McGuinness would be world champ at last!

[pritch]

I seem to recall reading somewhere that was how they sold it to "The powers that be" - along the lines of "No no, no - this is not a race. This is a reliability trial. We're using motorcycles (everyday, working man's transport at the time) and testing them in real world conditions for reliability and fuel consumption. That's why we need to use the road and why this island is perfect for it". "Oh, well, son, as long as it's not a race that will be fine!"

That's basically it. Road racing was banned in Britain so the idea was sold to the IoM, which has it's own government, as a "Tourist Trophy." Thus no mass starts, the riders stsrting in pairs or individually at intervals, riding against the clock. Obviously nothing like a race. :whistle:

[george formby]

That's basically it. Road racing was banned in Britain so the idea was sold to the IoM, which has it's own government, as a "Tourist Trophy." Thus no mass starts, the riders stsrting in pairs or individually at intervals, riding against the clock. Obviously nothing like a race. :whistle:

Hmmmm, that's the best case yet for creating The Independent Republic of Northland.

Mangamuka Reliability Trial GP...

[jellywrestler]

That's basically it. Road racing was banned in Britain so the idea was sold to the IoM, which has it's own government, as a "Tourist Trophy." Thus no mass starts, the riders stsrting in pairs or individually at intervals, riding against the clock. Obviously nothing like a race. :whistle:

they had a mass start in a production race about 1970, not sure about the first meetings in 1907 and on though?

[Grumph]

they had a mass start in a production race about 1970, not sure about the first meetings in 1907 and on though?

Pretty sure it's been time intervals from day one. The Keig photo collections have a lot of startline pics - and it's usually one rider in the early days.
i think the starting in pairs was post-war as the 30's pics are still one rider starts.
The mass start of the Production races was generally regarded by riders and officials as a very bad idea - and has not been repeated.

[manxkiwi]

IIRC I think the prod races were LeMans start. Not a 'true' mass start.
There may have been mass start races on the Clypse course though. These were classed as 'proper' TTs, though not on the Mountain course.

[george formby]

Le Man's start, ay?

Seeing as this thread is bantering in anticipation.. A bit of humour from the UK.


https://youtu.be/VCFAT8Hj7Qo

[manxkiwi]

Ha ha, I didn't say a LM start wasn't chaotic! That was pretty funny..

[jellywrestler]

IIRC I think the prod races were LeMans start. Not a 'true' mass start.
There may have been mass start races on the Clypse course though. These were classed as 'proper' TTs, though not on the Mountain course.

Just another version of a start, the TT's were push start anyway so pretty much as close as you could get to a mass start, the only difference is a run across the road as if it were gridded it would be a push start back then anyway. The pre 1910 TT's were on a shorter course with a small portion of the current circuit used, they were also classes as 'proper' TT's

[manxkiwi]

Correct, the StJohns course ran 1907 to 1910, then they went to the mountain course. The Clypse course was used in the 50s.
Saying 'proper', I was referring the use of the Southern 100 course for TT races for a few years. Most people didn't regard these as proper TTs. Although they officially were/are.

[george formby]

Only tenuously MotoGP related but I notice Danilo Petrucci is racing The Dakar.

He's keen!:woohoo:

[mulletman]

Only tenuously MotoGP related but I notice Danilo Petrucci is racing The Dakar.

He's keen!:woohoo:

His bike crapped out...but yeah thats keen.

[pritch]

Petrux is out of the race but is allowed to ride the rest of the course - unless he craps out again. He apparently gets a mention in the results for each day but will not feature in the overall results. It's about gaining experience now.

[pritch]

Petrucci is learning, he ‘won’ stage 5.

[pritch]

https://motomatters.com/news/2022/01/13/marc_marquez_back_on_an_mx_bike_recovery.html

[roogazza]

I'm hopin those pricks at SKY TV bid for the rights to cover the GP's this year.

I cancelled SKY sport last year in protest.... which is something like $34 a month so the boss said ?

Sadly I can't see myself travelling anymore to catch them live ? :mellow: :confused:

[F5 Dave]

Sky eh? I remember that from the 90s

[SaferRides]

https://motomatters.com/news/2022/01/13/marc_marquez_back_on_an_mx_bike_recovery.htmlGreat news, thanks for the link.

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[pritch]

Sky eh? I remember that from the 90s

My SKY box is sitting waiting to go back to the place you go to hand them in. I just wasn't watchng the TV other than for the news or Netflix so it seemed silly paying $100 a month for nowt. If GPs go back to SKY I'll pay Dorna again.

[James Deuce]

My SKY box is sitting waiting to go back to the place you go to hand them in. I just wasn't watchng the TV other than for the news or Netflix so it seemed silly paying $100 a month for nowt. If GPs go back to SKY I'll pay Dorna again.
Take photos of the shop you take it back to, photos of the person you gave it to, get a business card, draft a letter for the person you hand it in to to sign. Cover your butt as much as you can. The moment you stop paying and they can't find the set top box, they go feral.

[F5 Dave]

Good advice. I took dad's back and did all that.

Actually last week the angle grinder buzzed the dish off our roof. Got sick of seeing it there. Now landfill.

[pritch]

Take photos of the shop you take it back to, photos of the person you gave it to, get a business card, draft a letter for the person you hand it in to to sign. Cover your butt as much as you can. The moment you stop paying and they can't find the set top box, they go feral.

Interesting. Was unaware of such complcations. I'll have my phone with me. Taking the box back is a new experience for me. Ive seen people doing it previously, their drop off point was located next to a car dealers where there was some parking. Currently they're using a magazine shop, smack in the middle of the main street. They aren't making it easy, and I'm not sure people in magazine shops have business cards. We'll see.

[Autech]

I was happy as larry with the Spark coverage last year, never let me down unlike the Sky coverage when they'd not allow to daylight savings on occasion and miss some of the races. Was also able the share the log in with a few folks on here that wanted to watch, win win.

10/10 for Spark, though I'll weigh up whether I go for the motogp pass instead this time round to give it a shot.

[roogazza]

Looking forward to things kicking off this year.

Interesting to see all the new young guns and how they go.
Dovi will be a waste of space and #93 is still an unknown with his eye problem?

Bagnia could be the man on the doocati ?

As for coverage ,I'll wait and see how excited I get as to whether I pay the $$.

[Autech]

If Bags continues his form from the end of last season no one will touch him. The Duke is by far the best bike on the grid now that it can turn and hasn't lost that rocket speed down the straight. God only knows what Ducati have done to the that engine after 2 years of development in the lab...

My main question marks are around Yamaha, Suzuki and KTM tbh.

Yamaha: will Fabio be able to beat Franco week in week out, or will they start taking points off each other?

Suzuki: will Rins stop falling off and will Mir start falling off more. I can't help but notice that when Rins is on it he's fucking on it, the pace the bike shows and his ability to make overtakes without barging guys off the track is excellent. So that's more the potential of the bike, unfortunately he steps over the line during races. Where as Mir seems to not quite have the racecraft and raw lap pace of Rins sometimes, I do wonder if he's got a bit in the tank he might be able to use on occasion but doesn't want to risk the points of a poduim/4th place finish.

And for both of those manufacturers: Will you give your boys enough power to at least stay in the Ducatis tow on the straights? Cause if they can't and Bags is riding at his level they won't stand a chance. Especially if Miller, Martin and Zarco (for the first half of the season) are inbetween.

KTM: Will they crack the code or flounder for another year, they got all the talent it's time to put a whole season together. They're who I'm cheering for the most.

[Reckless]

My SKY box is sitting waiting to go back to the place you go to hand them in. I just wasn't watchng the TV other than for the news or Netflix so it seemed silly paying $100 a month for nowt. If GPs go back to SKY I'll pay Dorna again.


I was happy as larry with the Spark coverage last year, never let me down unlike the Sky coverage when they'd not allow to daylight savings on occasion and miss some of the races. Was also able the share the log in with a few folks on here that wanted to watch, win win.

10/10 for Spark, though I'll weigh up whether I go for the motogp pass instead this time round to give it a shot.

Spark sport are doing a pay full year deal that is only 20 bucks more than Dorna at $255-00 for the year and you get the extra sports.
Service was good only one time Practice was slow up.

[ducatilover]

Spark sport are doing a pay full year deal that is only 20 bucks more than Dorna at $255-00 for the year and you get the extra sports.
Service was good only one time Practice was slow up.
We use spark also, the app is a bit glitchy at times on my phone while casting

[steveyb]

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/995544/1/rossi-i-didn-t-want-stop-top-retirement-thoughts-2019

Not stopping when at the top, can see and appreciate his logic.
If you are still at the top, you will never know how many more wins/podiums/championships you might leave on the table.
If you are not at the top, then you definitely know.

[James Deuce]

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/995544/1/rossi-i-didn-t-want-stop-top-retirement-thoughts-2019

Not stopping when at the top, can see and appreciate his logic.
If you are still at the top, you will never know how many more wins/podiums/championships you might leave on the table.
If you are not at the top, then you definitely know.
Yeah, nah, all he did was leave a big, brown skidmark on his legacy.

[steveyb]

Yeah, nah, all he did was leave a big, brown skidmark on his legacy.

Why say you? That is a very glass half empty approach (yeah, yeah, but the first half was very nice! LOL.)

Statistically he scored poorly, but performance wise he was faster than he was last year, and likely they year before that.

If he had retired at the top, in when, 2015 or something, we would all be asking, could he have gotten that last championship?

Now we know, definitively.

And he got a valedictorian season to say Ciao tutti.

I for one kinda like that.

[Reckless]

Why say you? That is a very glass half empty approach (yeah, yeah, but the first half was very nice! LOL.)

Statistically he scored poorly, but performance wise he was faster than he was last year, and likely they year before that.

If he had retired at the top, in when, 2015 or something, we would all be asking, could he have gotten that last championship?

Now we know, definitively.

And he got a valedictorian season to say Ciao tutti.

I for one kinda like that.

100% agree he raced until he couldn't compete rather then when others said he should go.
That shows Passion :headbang::niceone:

[James Deuce]

Why say you? That is a very glass half empty approach (yeah, yeah, but the first half was very nice! LOL.)

Statistically he scored poorly, but performance wise he was faster than he was last year, and likely they year before that.

If he had retired at the top, in when, 2015 or something, we would all be asking, could he have gotten that last championship?

Now we know, definitively.

And he got a valedictorian season to say Ciao tutti.

I for one kinda like that.
It was patently obvious he was done at the end of 2016. All he did for the next 5 years was fuck up some extremely good stats. He was extremely lucky to retire in relatively good health, even though cold, wet weather will be a bitch for him for the rest of his life.

[tigertim20]

It was patently obvious he was done at the end of 2016. All he did for the next 5 years was fuck up some extremely good stats. He was extremely lucky to retire in relatively good health, even though cold, wet weather will be a bitch for him for the rest of his life.

All he did was fuck up stats?

pretty sure he banked some good coin also. And why not, if you still enjoy it?

I dont get the idea of a poor ending ruining ones legacy - bad results at the end or not, there's no undoing what you did achieve in your hey-day.

[F5 Dave]

And I seem to recall several great rides past those years, better than a lot of the field. Certainly a good thing having him there for public recognition. A lot of the Aliens are pretty uninteresting. Think back to Doohan years, MM is no different.

[James Deuce]

And I seem to recall several great rides past those years, better than a lot of the field. Certainly a good thing having him there for public recognition. A lot of the Aliens are pretty uninteresting. Think back to Doohan years, MM is no different.
No, all he did was keep a seat filled preventing other riders from accessing a top team. He lost the 11th/10th and was unable to ride around bike or physical issues like he had in the past. There are literally no "great" Rossi rides post-2016. I'm not trying to diminish his legacy. He did that himself.

[husaberg]

Stanley Woods
Agostini
lawson
Rainey
Hailwood
jarno saarinen
schwantz
Freddie spencer
Doohan
Nieto
Roberts
Sheene (tough call)
Rossi
Stoner
MM
lorenzo
Read

not in order but if it was Doohan would be at the top

note Hugh Anderson had more gp wins than Kevin Schwantz, Kenny Roberts, Gardner, Rainey and Sheene.

i feel bad leaving out Ivy duke and surtess

[SaferRides]

It was patently obvious he was done at the end of 2016. All he did for the next 5 years was fuck up some extremely good stats. He was extremely lucky to retire in relatively good health, even though cold, wet weather will be a bitch for him for the rest of his life.
I knew someone would mention 2016. He came very close to winning the championship that year...

Anyway, nothing can take away from his amazing achievements up to the Ducati years.




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[steveyb]

Anyway, on to more interesting current news:

https://www.motogp.com/en/in+the+media/2022/01/26/is-ana-carrasco-set-for-a-moto3-return/404103

Fingers crossed this works out. It would be great to see Ana back in Moto3, if only for a point of difference. Bearing in mind she is a World Champion, but is also now 24 and had a horrendous back injury.
But, all power to her.

Oh if only our Av had had some serious financial backing...... (I'm pointing fingers at locals who could have, but did not support).

[pritch]

There has been quite a bit on social media, photos of teams and their new livery etc. Toprak Razgotioglu(?) says he would ride in GPs but only for a factory team. Morbidelli had best watch his back.

[SaferRides]

Toprak would shake things up. Everyone, except Mir, is too nice at the moment.

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[Reckless]

Morbidelli had best watch his back.

I hope he does well TBH but we havent heard a peep from that camp for a while any updates??

[george formby]

Interesting wee interview with Mick Doohan. 170hp / 115kg. :shit:


https://youtu.be/UnXvmiFNT8s

Casey Stoner on turn 3 at Philip Island.:no:


https://youtu.be/LmOaCkoIPQQ

[SaferRides]

Marini, Marquez and Vinales fastest on Day 2 at Mandalika. This could be an interesting season...

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[onearmedbandit]

MV always performs highly during testing. Then unfortunately the wheels seem to come off.

[pritch]

The despatches from Indonesia the last coupla days have been interesting. I think it was Crafar said the track is fast and flowing - and that's the best kind. The track was very dirty so everyone was waiting for someone else to go out and clean it. To break the impasse the whole field was ordered out to do twenty laps each. Mat Oxley said that in those circumstances previously it was not unknown for all and sundry to go out in hire cars. Carnage ensued.

There is now a clean line but anyone who leaves that is in immediate trouble. This needs to be attended to before FP1 on the the 18th March.

There is a new man in the Dorna commentary team. I'm not sure but it might have been Steve English - who was Irish - who departed.

[iYRe]

So, yeah Pol was fastest, and ominous from MM:


The same positivity can be heard from Marc Marquez (Repsol Honda Team). The eight-time World Champion ends the Mandalika Test in ninth place as the second fastest Honda rider, 0.4s shy of Espargaro, but it’s all smiles in the number 93’s camp. Marc Marquez is starting to feel like the new bike is his bike, improvements have been made day-by-day in Mandalika and his words portray that he’s feeling good. Marc Marquez admitted he doesn’t have the “special feeling” with the bike still and was suffering on the final day, meaning no time attack, but testing couldn’t have gone much better.

I'd think that 0.4s means MM is probably challenging for the lead on race day.

[iYRe]

Interesting wee interview with Mick Doohan. 170hp / 115kg. :shit:


https://youtu.be/UnXvmiFNT8s

Casey Stoner on turn 3 at Philip Island.:no:


https://youtu.be/LmOaCkoIPQQ

That Gypsy guy put out some good content with Mick and Casey recently.

[James Deuce]

I wouldn't read anything into the current foray in Indonesia. Ducati are Italian sandbagging. Someone at Ferrari must've had a word. Yamaha have a Frenchman moaning to cover up the fact they've done nothing to improve their bike relative to the rest of the field. Honda are going, "Rah, rah, we're the best." Yep, right up until their riders suffer multiple injuries over the course of the year. The rest of them are flattering to deceive. As soon as Ducati turn on that 5th cylinder and disappear into the distance on anything resembling a strait with a bike that buries itself into the track so hard it leaves a slug trail, everyone will shrug and go Ducati always has the strongest (1200cc) engine and good aero (full ground effect). The track is also shit. It will provide the first round of broken collarbones and head injuries of the year, due to being very wet and literally green. Plus braking while running over a snake causes accidents.

[iYRe]

haha, yeah I am sure there is some of that.. but still, if it seems the honda is more manageable and up to some sort of competitive speed, god only knows what will happen this year... if Pol can be consistent.. I think its going to be very interesting, at least the first few rounds anyway

[iYRe]

https://www.gpone.com/en/2022/02/14/motogp/kuwata-honda-has-broken-out-of-its-shell-and-now-we-want-a-1-2.html

New chassis, engine, and electronics apparently.

[F5 Dave]

With such limited test time allowed I don't think anyone would sandbag, but Dookaaati have the most bums on seats to gather data if they have an issue.

It would be a shame to see Yamaha and Suzuki relegated to the weeds of a few years back, and KTM, well hopefully can find thier 2020 mojo again.

[iYRe]

With such limited test time allowed I don't think anyone would sandbag, but Dookaaati have the most bums on seats to gather data if they have an issue.

It would be a shame to see Yamaha and Suzuki relegated to the weeds of a few years back, and KTM, well hopefully can find thier 2020 mojo again.

I saw an article, but didnt really look too close, where one of the Ducati riders said "I dont want to build the bike, I jsut want to ride it" or something close to that

[James Deuce]

With such limited test time allowed I don't think anyone would sandbag, but Dookaaati have the most bums on seats to gather data if they have an issue.

It would be a shame to see Yamaha and Suzuki relegated to the weeds of a few years back, and KTM, well hopefully can find their 2020 mojo again.
I think the limited timescale makes it more likely they would sandbag. There's nothing to be made of doing well in testing at what is essentially a tropical island slime bowl. Yamaha and Suzuki are small musical instrument manufacturing companies that have broadened their business scope in small increments over decades. They are neither cash nor capital rich, nor do they have investors descend on them waving cash wanting to by a bit of brand magic association.

KTM will come good when they ditch their (now-braced) 1987 CBR600F chassis.

[george formby]

I think the limited timescale makes it more likely they would sandbag. There's nothing to be made of doing well in testing at what is essentially a tropical island slime bowl. Yamaha and Suzuki are small musical instrument manufacturing companies that have broadened their business scope in small increments over decades. They are neither cash nor capital rich, nor do they have investors descend on them waving cash wanting to by a bit of brand magic association.

KTM will come good when they ditch their (now-braced) 1987 CBR600F chassis.

When it comes to corporate size, re Yamaha and Suzuki, I kind of agree.

Yamaha is a very diverse company. They play in F1 and are responsible for the best Lexus engines, quite tight with Toyota. Subaru has been promoting a prototype leccy car which they hope will claim a lap record in it's class at the Nurberg Ring. Yamaha designed and built the electric motors.
IIRC they design and build parts of nuclear submarines, too.
Not particularly big but at the pointy end of quite a few technologies.

But you're right, more outside investment in their MotoGP campaign would be interesting.

[roogazza]

For SKY users who used to watch Motogp.

Made contact with them today and just got a reply ........ No motogp on Sky again this year !!!!

[iYRe]

I will have to resort to my normal non official sources :)

[onearmedbandit]

Yep Spark has the coverage again this year.

[F5 Dave]

I think the limited timescale makes it more likely they would sandbag. There's nothing to be made of doing well in testing at what is essentially a tropical island slime bowl. Yamaha and Suzuki are small musical instrument manufacturing companies that have broadened their business scope in small increments over decades. They are neither cash nor capital rich, nor do they have investors descend on them waving cash wanting to by a bit of brand magic association.

KTM will come good when they ditch their (now-braced) 1987 CBR600F chassis.
Well. . .

Suzuki made looms for weaving I believe. The Suzuki instrument company co exists, but isn't as linked as it is Yamaha from origin, they have some sort of agreement but I think it would be disingenuous to call Suzuki an instrument company. I bought a book called something like the Japanese motorcycle wars which turned out to be no where near as exciting as the title sounds. If is full of an exhaustive history of the very beginnings and complex interactions to get to where things are through hundreds of companies.

I did survive it but jesus it was boring. I might have thrown it out.

[Edit] actually no, I still have it. I can drop it off next time I'm past.

[James Deuce]

Well. . .

Suzuki made looms for weaving I believe. The Suzuki instrument company co exists, but isn't as linked as it is Yamaha from origin, they have some sort of agreement but I think it would be disingenuous to call Suzuki an instrument company. I bought a book called something like the Japanese motorcycle wars which turned out to be no where near as exciting as the title sounds. If is full of an exhaustive history of the very beginnings and complex interactions to get to where things are through hundreds of companies.

I did survive it but jesus it was boring. I might have thrown it out.

[Edit] actually no, I still have it. I can drop it off next time I'm past.
No thanks, but thank you for the thought.

[Autech]

For SKY users who used to watch Motogp.

Made contact with them today and just got a reply ........ No motogp on Sky again this year !!!!

Thank fuck.


Yep Spark has the coverage again this year.

See above.


Testing very interesting so far this year. What we've seen is Ducati and Honda roll out all new bikes while the others have evolved them further.

Autechs thoughts for those that care:

Aprilia - Finally they have 2 riders capable of pushing the bike to its limits, interesting how Fabio said it could turn even better than his Yamaha, looking forward to seeing it in race trim and whether it delivers Maverick the consistent grip he needs.

Suzuki - Rins looking in top form, if he can keep it on 2 wheels this year he'll finish ahead of Mir I reckon. Bikes got some good top speed too so on paper if it can qualify well is looking like the most rounded package.

Honda - They've taken away some of the front to give it some rear and hey presto, its working for everyone. Shall be interesting to see in race trim also but Pol is looking shit hot.

Yamaha - Fabio and Franko both looking good, Dovi looking less good. Fabio needs to remember that with great power comes great issues getting it to the ground, I'm sure Yamaha could have turned up the wick more but if they can't get it to hook up what's the point? There's also no guarantee that he'd do any better on any of the other bikes (bar Suzuki) so I'd think carefully before jumping ship.

KTM - Bit hard to judge, they were nowhere in Sepang and better in Indonesia, but that's a new track so we can't gauge if they're actually better. Fingers cross, Binder seemed really happy and he's not one to talk shit so I'd say they might have cracked it, thinking we'll have another up and down season from them.

Ducati - All the riders are fast and there's a fuck tonne of them. I'd say with the new front ride height device they've been dialling it in a bit so haven't been all the way at the pointy end with the GP22's. But they're there abouts so I have no doubt come Qatar they'll be monstering every single bike down that long arsed straight. Be interesting to see if the KTM and Honda can live with them at all.

As for who's going to be champion this year, I haven't the foggiest this time, too many fast riders and bikes.

[iYRe]

March 14, coming to your nearest app/browser in Amazon Prime:

https://youtu.be/i7AfOdVNa7U

[pritch]

Yep Spark has the coverage again this year.

That's not a bad thing. Dorna seem to have hiked their price for a video pass, and unlike Mat Oxley I can't claim it off my tax. Spark make it easy, you just suspend your access when you don't want to watch, and unsuspend it when you want to use it again.

[iYRe]

This is interesting:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7sIx3l9uTo

[george formby]

I'm starting to quiver in anticipation..

Just spent a bit of time on the MotoGP website doing some pre-season "research".

I've never had a flutter on the Championship but might put a few $$'s down this season.

Anyone brave enough to make some predictions?

Suzuki has my eye.

[iYRe]

Anyone brave enough to make some predictions?
Suzuki has my eye.

God no..
Crash Net saying that current testing has been a load of BS so what ever you see, is probably not accurate.

What I've seen is:
- Duc have new tech no one else has, dont know if it will help enough to win races (front lowering device), also have more data than anyone else
- Yam dont have enough power still
- Suz are quick enough but top end is a 8-10kmh slower than duc
- Honda's bike is bigger than the old (based on DPedrosa) so MM find it unusual, however, it corners fast and is only 3-5kmh slower than the Duc, but possibly not even that
- On race day, all bets are off.

[george formby]

The only odds I could find.

350731

[iYRe]

hahaha, MM with the lowest odds.. be a fool to think he's not gonna be in the running

It seems the Yamaha can run a fast lap, but if anyone get in their way, they're going backwards. So if FQ can get in front, he can win, or if he can get space for enough races and podium, he could be up there.

[F5 Dave]

I prefer to put my money on beer and chippies. Pay off is guaranteed.

I think the stars have been aligning for Ducati for a while.

[mulletman]

Looking forward to see how good all the development's that Suzuki have made , pre testing looks like they've found some speed i hope it doesnt detract from its handling.

At least this year i think all the teams will have holeshot devices so the starts should be fairly even unlike this time last year when 4 Ducatis blitzed the start.

[Beekeeper]

My money is on MM93, that new Honda is special. Sure Gigi's rockets are spectacular and they can turn but still I see Honda ahead.

[george formby]

My money is on MM93, that new Honda is special. Sure Gigi's rockets are spectacular and they can turn but still I see Honda ahead.


MM has woefully said it's no longer "his" bike. Read into that what you will but it could be a big improvement for Pol.

[HenryDorsetCase]

As for who's going to be champion this year, I haven't the foggiest this time, too many fast riders and bikes.

Rossi, like every year. Oh, wait.....

[george formby]

Rossi, like every year. Oh, wait.....

Team VR46 riders are on Duc's I believe. Could be wrong.

[iYRe]

MM has woefully said it's no longer "his" bike. Read into that what you will but it could be a big improvement for Pol.

MM explained it.. the old bike was based on Dani, who is small like Mark, so it "fitted" better. The new bike is a bigger bike (possibly one reason it has more rear traction?), so it doesnt feel the same, or "fit" as well as the old one.

[Autech]

MM explained it.. the old bike was based on Dani, who is small like Mark, so it "fitted" better. The new bike is a bigger bike (possibly one reason it has more rear traction?), so it doesnt feel the same, or "fit" as well as the old one.

Yup, and look at the KTM designed by Dani, heaps of front end just waiting to be abused by a Binder. If they've taken away the front to give the rear more then Marc might end up binning it more maybe? Esepcially if he can't feel the front. Either way I feel this isn't his year and that perhaps we've seen the end of his years in full dominance?

Looking at those odds its worth a flutter on Fraco, Mir and Rins this early in the season as they're all in with a chance at the title.

[iYRe]

I have no doubt he wont be able to dominate again, but I wouldnt discount him being faster.. if not the fastest.. on raceday :)

[roogazza]

8 Doocatis !!! they'll have to manage the points carefully or it could backfire on them?

Go the Yamahas ! (tho I'd put money on Dovi struggling with all the new young talent.) :confused:

[george formby]

8 Doocatis !!! they'll have to manage the points carefully or it could backfire on them?

Go the Yamahas ! (tho I'd put money on Dovi struggling with all the new young talent.) :confused:

Be interestin to see how fast the VR46 bikes are.

From my spectators perspective, MM will have to ride the wheels off this season. Most excellent.:woohoo:

The talent pool is just getting deeper.

[F5 Dave]

Cue another era of MM total dominance and naval gazing as we wondered how we ever thought it could be different.

[James Deuce]

Cue another era of MM total dominance and naval gazing as we wondered how we ever thought it could be different.
I'm not looking at ships and can't see my belly button, so I don't know what to do now.

You're right though.

[sugilite]

My feelings are that yes, MM is finding this new bike a large change, but looking at other Honda riders results with it thus far, it is a better bike. Once MM learns to exploit these improvements, watch out!

[F5 Dave]

I'm not looking at ships and can't see my belly button, so I don't know what to do now.

You're right though.

I could try blame spelling check, but I'll take that one on the chin


Actually the ing on spell was not my doing.

[pritch]

Cue another era of MM total dominance and naval gazing as we wondered how we ever thought it could be different.

That may be a good prediction, I wouldn't bet against it. Rather than an MM procession I'd like to see a tight championship race to stop us all dropping off to sleep.

[iYRe]

That may be a good prediction, I wouldn't bet against it. Rather than an MM procession I'd like to see a tight championship race to stop us all droping off to sleep.

tight would be good, its usually a good precept to live by.

[pritch]

tight would be good, its usually a good precept to live by.

Sexually perhaps. Monetarily, rather less so?

[iYRe]

Sexually perhaps. Monetarily, rather less so?

I dont have any choice, monetarily lol

[F5 Dave]

I kinda think its Peccos turn from stunning form last year. But I don't want it to be a doookati lockout. And of course I'm a Yamaha fan. But I hope KTM return to form. And it seems unfair to Suzuki, but it gets my mate wracked up if they dont win, so sorry boys in blue, it's worth the amusement at your expense. :yes::yes:

[SaferRides]

Pecco vs. MM was just getting started late last season. It would be fun to watch for the whole year.

The testing doesn't mean much. Sepang is unlike any other track and hopefully they will have cleaned the track surface at Mandalika before P1.

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[iYRe]

The testing doesn't mean much. Sepang is unlike any other track and hopefully they will have cleaned the track surface at Mandalika before P1.



I thought the issue there was that there were chunks of stone coming out of the track, and they have to resurface it?

[pritch]

This could be a genius move - or he's killed Ducati chances right there. Time will tell.

https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/factory-ducati-riders-switch-to-year-old-motogp-engines-for-2022/8673865/

[pritch]

The drought is breaking. FP1 Moto3 underway.

[SaferRides]

This is a big call also:
https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/bagnaia-happy-to-see-out-motogp-career-with-ducati/8668139/

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[onearmedbandit]

This is a big call also:
https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/bagnaia-happy-to-see-out-motogp-career-with-ducati/8668139/

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Most riders will be looking to sew up two year contracts this year, he just got the jump. The rest of it is a 'just wait and see' wish.

[James Deuce]

The Ducatis look pretty terrible at Qatar so far. Aprilia need to fire Maverick. Suzuki is much stronger than expected. Honda may have temporarily learned their lesson about building a one man bike. Whoever wins the championship on a Honda this year, gets to set the development direction for the next decade. Not that they'll be directly involved in that development, mind.

[mulletman]

Makes me wonder if Ducati are holding back ? Hard to imagine tho.

The Suzukis dont need slipstream anymore by the looks and i think they will hold their own down the straights now :)

Honda have had a major redesign so Marc has to adapt now instead of the otherway round for all other Honda riders, as the commentary said Marc just needs to collect points for the first few races and really get back up to as full fitness as he can AND learn the bike then go win the title.

Yamaha are fucked

[sugilite]

Aprilia need to fire Maverick.
You as a team manager would make Alberto Puig look like a cute cuddly and friendly ewok :laugh:
But I get your point, I'm not expecting much either :rolleyes:

[mulletman]

Front row

Jorge Martin

ENEA BASTIANINI

Marc Marquez

[Reckless]

Never ever seen times so tight far out!!

Martin watch out for this kid. Looking like Ducatis best chance. I hope Miller can make it.

Suzuki Surprise of the season so far.
And doesn't Fabio wish Yamaha had done the same, But you cant say he has given up he rode the wheels of that Yammy. Hope he keeps his head together.
I have always had a soft spot for Morbidelli. He deserves a good season.

Cunning MM got a tow (Bagnia) to get him there, Wondering when the other riders will have a chat and be prepared to sacrifice their place and do a slow lap to teach him to stop shadowing.

ENEA BASTIANINI well that's fucking impressive I must say.

Who do you choose fuck me. Long season to.

The least developed bike with the most potential probably the new Honda.

Bring on tomorrow morning whoohoo!!

[mulletman]

The BEAST ! Bloody impressive win for Enea !

Binder

P Espargaro

[iYRe]

Amazing

Pretty decent ride by Pol..

MM 5th even though he looked a bit uncomfortable... dont think that will last all that long though, he was there and thereabouts.

[Autech]

Yeah the beast went and ruined all my predictions and bets, and I'm happy for it! Awesome ride, factory boys looking......... Miller has the worst luck! Guess Ducati is finding out it hard to hone a sharp blade without dulling it...

Watching the Suzuki slipstream and past a Ducati on the straight was one of the best things I've ever seen. Doing that and not losing the engine character is something special, especially given Suzukis lower budget. Let down by their qualifying spots again I think but they weren't anyway near as far back so good work.

Brad is my boi, if he can keep qualifying like that then they're all in serious trouble, perhaps even for the title? Not going to get my hopes up too soon though as the KTM might turn to a bag of shit again.

Rookie battle was probably one of the best ones going on and we saw none of it, all of them finishing within a second of each other and Binder Junior silencing the critics by nearly being the best one. Good shit.

Pol showed he's got the sauce, say what you will about Marquez but he was on the same machinery and couldn't match him on race day. I've always wondered what Marc would do on a bike without a rock solid front end so now its on him to adapt or make it work for him, interesting he never crashed all weekend though so maybe this bike will keep his career going a bit longer if he has to ride it a bit looser, either way it looked a bloody good package to be on track with. Not worried about him though as he showed he can finish in 5th when he's not comfortable ahead of the 2 Suzukis, while the other 2 of his main title rivals DNF'd... If Mir can win a title winning only 1 race then MM will be fine.



Happy Autech now, been needing my motogp fix and this one delivered. Bring on next round.

[James Deuce]

I've always wondered what Marc would do on a bike without a rock solid front end so now its on him to adapt or make it work for him, interesting he never crashed all weekend though so maybe this bike will keep his career going a bit longer if he has to ride it a bit looser, either way it looked a bloody good package to be on track with.
It's not the front they fixed. The previous bike was all front. They've added rear grip.

[James Deuce]

Also, fire Vinales. He's shit. His teammate was 8 places up the road. A dude all of you bag as not able to ride at the front or win a race.

[onearmedbandit]

It's not the front they fixed. The previous bike was all front. They've added rear grip.

He did say 'without a rock solid front'.

[Autech]

He did say 'without a rock solid front'.Eggzacary, they taketh from the front to giveth to the rear.

Didn't stop Alex Marquez from falling off it though, still thoroughly unimpressed with him sitting on that seat tbh, too much of a slow burner to occupy a winning bike seat with all the talent coming up


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[iYRe]

have they take from the front though? Or just changed the balance...

I dont know that it has less front grip, it just feels different, that's what I think.

[James Deuce]

He did say 'without a rock solid front'.
Yes, but the commentary from both riders, especially Pol, has been about the increase in rear grip. MM would ride on the edge of disaster without a qualm, on a bike that was ALL about the front. I suspect that is why he became bequalmed with injury.

[Autech]

Yes, but the commentary from both riders, especially Pol, has been about the increase in rear grip. MM would ride on the edge of disaster without a qualm, on a bike that was ALL about the front. I suspect that is why he became bequalmed with injury.

Yup, so now its not as balanced to the front he can't just release the brake and hammer it into the corner on the front. Generally bike set up is a trade off, so I'd be surprised if the front grip is as good as it was, so he's not pushing till he can set it up to feel it. Either that or he needs to adapt his riding style to match Pols and use the rear a bit more to get it turned into the corner.

Still 5th place behind some seriously fast dudes aint bad, so I'm not too worried. But I've always wondered if he could adapt his style to "ride anything" or if the front heavy riding is in his DNA. Time will tell.

[James Deuce]

Can't comment. It is the first COMPLETELY new Honda in years. But Pol was fastest Honda without looking like he was struggling.

[Reckless]

Honda just cant risk everything on Mark these days with his eyes. Simple as that.
Next fall or get taken out and he MIGHT be done.
Not any riders push it till they crash or save it on the knee as a guide to how far to push a bike.
His tactics/style over the years have sort of bought this day upon himself.

He can surely still win there is that much talent there but I think everyone knew things couldn't continue on as they were.
There had to be a change for Marks and Hondas future.

[Autech]

Honda just cant risk everything on Mark these days with his eyes. Simple as that.
Next fall or get taken out and he MIGHT be done.
Not any riders push it till they crash or save it on the knee as a guide to how far to push a bike.
His tactics/style over the years have sort of bought this day upon himself.

He can surely still win there is that much talent there but I think everyone knew things couldn't continue on as they were.
there had to be a change for Marks and Hondas future.

It's interesting to note that the KTM have shifted to the rear as well with this years bike. I wonder if it was Pedrosa's influence, not Marc's that favoured a front balanced bike? Then Marc got on it and loved the fuck out of it till it finally started biting...
Considering how well Dani could get a bike stood up and out of a corner he probably didn't need that much rear bias to ride.

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/why-honda-and-ktm-are-back-motogp-qatar-analysis

Regardless, great to see the Ducati's not dominating on top speed now, was sick of watching it tbh as I remember the frustration well racing a bucket against 150cc street stocks and 250 ninjas at Ruapuna lol.

[iYRe]

It's interesting to note that the KTM have shifted to the rear as well with this years bike. I wonder if it was Pedrosa's influence, not Marc's that favoured a front balanced bike? Then Marc got on it and loved the fuck out of it till it finally started biting...
Considering how well Dani could get a bike stood up and out of a corner he probably didn't need that much rear bias to ride.

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/why-honda-and-ktm-are-back-motogp-qatar-analysis

Regardless, great to see the Ducati's not dominating on top speed now, was sick of watching it tbh as I remember the frustration well racing a bucket against 150cc street stocks and 250 ninjas at Ruapuna lol.


According to CRASH.net Dani was the one who the Honda was developed for/with. And interview I saw with MM said the issue was that he is small like Dani, and since it was built to fit Dani, it fitted him too, so I dont necessarily think its all about the front end either, its just how it was. The new bike is bigger, longer... I went from a Sprint St to a zx-14 - they handle similarly but the Z is bigger, longer, heavier and it took me quite a few months of daily riding before I really got comfortable. Now, I have about as much riding skill and talent as MM's little toenail, but I can imagine its going to take (race) time to work out how to wrangle it. It's going to go into and out of corners different, transfer power different, use different lines, etc..
I wonder how MM would do on the new Suzuki, with its handling, tyre preservation and now speed..

EDIT: just watched the latest CRASH.net podcast and they said that while it was original designed with Dani in mind, once MM became #1, of course it all went his way

[jim.cox]

Ducati's not dominating on top speed now,

Or on starting :( or staying upright :( together :(

Sad - was the Factory Team :(

Go the privateers

Wow - the last six or laps are brilliant - poor Pol - pushed just that wee bit too hard :)

[James Deuce]

Or on starting :( or staying upright :( together :(

Sad - was the Factory Team :(

Go the privateers

Wow - the last six or laps are brilliant - poor Pol - pushed just that wee bit too hard :)

That was my main concern with 8 Ducatis on the track at the same time.

[mulletman]

New tech for MotoE

https://www.epaddock.it/en/new-components-and-less-weight-for-the-motoe-2022/

[merv]

According to CRASH.net Dani was the one who the Honda was developed for/with. And interview I saw with MM said the issue was that he is small like Dani, and since it was built to fit Dani, it fitted him too, so I dont necessarily think its all about the front end either, its just how it was. The new bike is bigger, longer.

Remember when that happened. Hayden had just won the 2006 championship on the beautiful RC211V V5 990cc a bike that had fitted Rossi, a tall guy, from the beginning. Then the limit got changed downwards to 800cc from 2007. Honda rolled out this tiny looking RC212V that fitted Perosa nicely and Hayden felt they had just ignored him and his size and he struggled on it until Dovi replaced him in 2009. In 2011 Casey Stoner, a smallish guy, came along and won the championship on it. In 2012 the limit changed to 1000cc and the RC213V was born but still looking like a small bike like the RC212V at that time. Marquez replaced Casey in 2013 and as he said he was a small guy so he fitted the bike.

One wonders what would have happened if Honda had continued all the way through with a bike the physical frame size of the RC211V. This latest incarnation looks longer in the wheelbase for sure.

[iYRe]

No Idea, but its going to be hell of a lot of fun finding out.. no one knows what the hell is going to happen this year :)

[Reckless]

It's interesting to note that the KTM have shifted to the rear as well with this years bike. I wonder if it was Pedrosa's influence, not Marc's that favoured a front balanced bike? Then Marc got on it and loved the fuck out of it till it finally started biting...
Considering how well Dani could get a bike stood up and out of a corner he probably didn't need that much rear bias to ride.

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/why-honda-and-ktm-are-back-motogp-qatar-analysis

Regardless, great to see the Ducati's not dominating on top speed now, was sick of watching it tbh as I remember the frustration well racing a bucket against 150cc street stocks and 250 ninjas at Ruapuna lol.

I think everyone learns from others and Honda learned you can't make a bike for one rider, size rider or riding style.
They saw their star struggling, 8 Ducatis on the grid, most with riders capable of winning the championship, and with different styles, riding the same bike and thought "Oh shit fresh start required"
Ducati deserve the credit for being the most innovative for years I wonder how bike development would have gone without them??
Suzuki quietly working away since last year to. Aprilia catching and learning.
Yamaha need to look over at the Suzuki garage they needed to give Fabio something?? Even 10k catch up along the straight would have meant they did something over the break FFS
Miller didn't deserve what he was dished up - fucken inexcusable from Ducati.
I think Ducati fucked up by using their 2 No1 riders to develop the bike for everyone (according to Bagnia and Ducatis acceptance of his comments).
Bike development - BLOODY BIG Pain in the arse I have 4k worth of bits coming from all corners of the earth Atm. Labour and Machining to come FFS :facepalm::crybaby:

Interested to see what happens next race as they are all saying this track is a bit of a 1 off.
Bloody good start tho - longest season ever - whooohoo!!!

[jim.cox]

I think Ducati fucked up by using their 2 No1 riders to develop the bike for everyone

The way both factory team bikes bogged on take-off did make me wonder if their was some 'Italian' problem - like someone dialed the same wrong setting into both bikes.

Or just not tested under real race conditions.

So, how many of the Ducatisti want last year's bike back?

I am very much looking forward to the next race.

[F5 Dave]

Qatar is always a bit special. Not least as the paintwork looks Bangin in the floodlight.

But I think you will find I predicted it all. With enough vague comments I'll favour and lean on a few until my insights look like Madam Gypsini.

I don't do lotto numbers but for the right fee I can give you stock predictions for 19 yrs out.

[pritch]

Interested to see what happens next race as they are all saying this track is a bit of a 1 off.


The next track is even more of a one off. If it's finished... Here's hoping.

[iYRe]

The next track is even more of a one off. If it's finished... Here's hoping.

They think it will be finished, but what will be finished? There is some concern they will have fixed the worst bits but the rest of the track isnt too great either.. or something like that. Supposedly it needs completely rebuilding.

[Autech]

They think it will be finished, but what will be finished? There is some concern they will have fixed the worst bits but the rest of the track isnt too great either.. or something like that. Supposedly it needs completely rebuilding.

Apparently the track designers recommended some fancy pants grade of chip, but they decided not to use it and now its fohked...

Going to be an interesting race going off the fact no one has raced there, Brad Binder looked fohking good in testing though as did Rins, Pol etc. So I'll be putting my money on them early on whilst the odds are good, then the beast is going to come along and ruin my predictions...

[iYRe]

At this point I am picking Rossi for the win, because that's about as likely as guessing who's going to take it on the day, lol

[sugilite]

Yamaha be like, Mmmmm Hmmm, Uhhhh haaaa.
Aprillia be like Uh Ohhhhhhhh
https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/997868/1/vinales-disappointed-qatar-race-feeling-not-same-testing

If the guy could get out of his head and get out on the bike, he would of won championships.

[pritch]

If the guy could get out of his head and get out on the bike, he would of won championships.

Yep. A couple more finishes like that and he will psych himself out. Again.
If he can't get the bike to work he can't have much future in MotoGP.

[James Deuce]

Yep. A couple more finishes like that and he will psych himself out. Again.
If he can't get the bike to work he can't have much future in MotoGP.
He needs to be fired. He's done. He's costing money and wasting time making bike changes to suit him when he's not going to deliver.

[Autech]

He needs to be fired. He's done. He's costing money and wasting time making bike changes to suit him when he's not going to deliver.

Be an awesome test rider though, he wins every test!

[James Deuce]

Be an awesome test rider though, he wins every test!
It's good of you to say something nice about him. My favourite memory of him is when he was riding 125s and Paris Hilton had just bought the team and at the launch he was just flat out looking straight down her plunging neckline. Speaking of flat...

[Reckless]

This time tho he is not flat out blaming the bike and engineers.
At least he has said he has to look at his teammates data and try and change.
You guys are harsh after one race LOL

[James Deuce]

This time tho he is not flat out blaming the bike and engineers.
At least he has said he has to look at his teammates data and try and change.
You guys are harsh after one race LOL
It's not one race though. It's the last 3 years. He brings nothing of value to the team he's in. If he isn't handed a perfect bike he can't do well and he doesn't know how to adapt to a bike that is a poofteenth different from what he expected.

[pritch]

John McPhee

[James Deuce]

Someone I've wanted to see succeed for years. If he didn't have bad luck, he'd have no luck at all.

[Dadpole]

Just another McPhee year really. As James D says above - If he fell into a pit of nipples he would come up sucking his thumb.

This was his last chance in Moto3 and, sadly, I don't see him getting a seat in Moto2 unless this year is exceptional.

[Autech]

Just another McPhee year really. As James D says above - If he fell into a pit of nipples he would come up sucking his thumb.

This was his last chance in Moto3 and, sadly, I don't see him getting a seat in Moto2 unless this year is exceptional.

His passport will give him one there...

[pritch]

His passport will give him one there...

His passport can't help him much, this is his last year in Moto3, he'll be too old next year. I can't see Moto2 teams lining up to sign him.

https://the-race.com/motogp/why-its-time-to-scrap-moto3s-strange-age-limit/

[iYRe]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inUL1wRsYVQ

MM admits he isnt as fast as he was..

Doesnt seem to suggest he can be faster? I am not sure.

[roogazza]

I wondered like everyone else how long he could keep riding the way he did....

He's still bloody fast !

Dovi is proving its all up hill for him (as I predicted !).
Reckon he'll be gone next year ?????????

[iYRe]

Interestingly, the guys on CRASH were saying that suzuki are now having problems with their power now, too much - bad tyre wear etc

Swings and roundabouts.. I guess it might be easier to manage more power, than try and find it when you dont have it though

[mulletman]

Well at least this weekends races are at a very decent time :niceone:

[Autech]

Interestingly, the guys on CRASH were saying that suzuki are now having problems with their power now, too much - bad tyre wear etc

Swings and roundabouts.. I guess it might be easier to manage more power, than try and find it when you dont have it though

Take note Fabio, too much of something, is bad enough (bad enough), as performed by the 90's urban poets from the UK, the Spice Girls.


https://youtu.be/_4VoZ6afztc

[SaferRides]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inUL1wRsYVQ

MM admits he isnt as fast as he was..

Doesnt seem to suggest he can be faster? I am not sure.
Everyone except the Bastianini had tyre problems at Losail, so I wouldn't read too much into that race, or even this weekend's. It is a long season.

[Reckless]

See how Round 2 goes lads
At least watch times are better. We can finally watch live.

350810

[pritch]

Well at least this weekends races are at a very decent time :niceone:

Yep. The action has started already. Not that Spark seems to have noticed.

[onearmedbandit]

Yep. The action has started already. Not that Spark seems to have noticed.

Working fine for me through Spark.

[iYRe]

If anyone is interested and hasnt watched the hours of crash podcasts (I listen to it while working)

They're picking
Pol, MM, FQ, in that order.

Mir, Bastinini, Marini was the other choice.

Interesting. Speed is down about 30KMH from last weekend - should be interesting to watch how it plays out..

I'm still picking Rossi or Casey Stoner for the win, because I have no frickin idea.

[F5 Dave]

Rossi is probably over it. Stoner for the win:banana:

[iYRe]

If you, like me, cant watch the practice:

What we learned on Friday at the 2022 #IndonesianGP - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0N6YLOX9uA)

[mulletman]

Nice one Fabio on pole his bike looked the least likely to throw its rider off compared to the rest of the entire field, so many front and rear slides made watching Q1 & Q2 quite nerve wrecking.

Pramac boys make up the front row.

If Fabio can get clear out front from the start so he can keep his front tyre cool the race is his.

[sugilite]

I was shocked to see MM struggling as much as he was, 2 crashes in the Qualifying one group, starting 15th on the grid!
Viñales stormed through to 20th place I see. I watched episode 6 of the doco that amazon put together on motogp last season. Viñales stalled his bike on the start of the warm up lap, and later when back in the pits he directly blamed Yamaha Team boss Lin Javis for the bike stalling. Trouble is, I'm sure it was Viñales on the bike at the time - Cock :facepalm:

[Autech]

That new rear tyre looked shithouse TBH, so many riders having it step out on corner entry, totally unlike their other tyres... Be interesting to see what the riders say about it, but it looked unbalanced on corner entry. Only ever had that once on a bike when I swapped the front but not the rear tyre and it felt fucking scary on corner entry, so I can only imagine what that's like at 200+kmph.

FUCK THAT.

Oh KTM for the win tomorrow, you heard it here first. If not them then Stoner and Rossi in with a shot for sure

[pritch]

I'm not sure how much is the tyre and how much is the track. There is a narrow clean line, leaving that leads to 'adventures'. Passing will be problematical. Also there is apparently loose metal being created as the bikes circulate and the track deteriorates. Riders and bikes are being hit by flying pebbles. Even small pebbles probably sting at 200mph.

[iYRe]

This was MM's comments on today.. after that first crash he's just running for the second bike - hard case.. and then the last clip of the back coming around.. sheesh:
He's still the fastest honda, and get the popcorn out fellas, he's gotta make up 14 places lol


https://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2022/03/19/marquez-labels-q1-struggles-a-disaster-after-double-crash/410971

[mulletman]

ouch !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVQv28r0KjA

[merv]

It seems so ridiculous that the tyre manufacturer gets to decide what tyres they bring to an event. This is not the first time with Michelin that their tyres favour one or other bike manufacturer. I know it is spec tyres but surely each manufacturer should still be able to choose which set of those tyres suit them from all the specs provided recently and be allowed to stick with them as they choose, especially as they spend great amounts of money and time trying to make their bike suit the tyres, then lo and behold Michelin changes the damn things again.

[Autech]

It seems so ridiculous that the tyre manufacturer gets to decide what tyres they bring to an event. This is not the first time with Michelin that their tyres favour one or other bike manufacturer. I know it is spec tyres but surely each manufacturer should still be able to choose which set of those tyres suit them from all the specs provided recently and be allowed to stick with them as they choose, especially as they spend great amounts of money and time trying to make their bike suit the tyres, then lo and behold Michelin changes the damn things again.Yup and its now cost us MM again.
Silly stuff, they have built the bikes to take profit from the rear grip entering the corner, if they take some of that away its dangerous.

Dumb, shame MM doesn't know how to chillax though

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[mulletman]

That was a very dominant win for Dennis Foggia

Battle royale for the rest of the places excellent watch.

[onearmedbandit]

I'm not sure how much is the tyre and how much is the track. There is a narrow clean line, leaving that leads to 'adventures'. Passing will be problematical. Also there is apparently loose metal being created as the bikes circulate and the track deteriorates. Riders and bikes are being hit by flying pebbles. Even small pebbles probably sting at 200mph.

I'd argue that it's more with the tyre, most of the riders losing the front were due to the track but the issues with the rear were mostly on line. Add to that what Simon was reporting from talking to teams suggests also the issue lay with the stiffer carcass. Plus lets not forget that teams that tested there with the different tyre only recently are saying the change in tyre has affected them, it's pretty much case closed.

[mulletman]

ouch !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVQv28r0KjA

Yep MM out cause of concussion

[onearmedbandit]

I missed your post mulletman. Damn that was a nasty crash.

[Autech]

Farking rain. Lets hope she clears up enough for a race

[pritch]

The electrical storm was a bit of a worry but the race went off - eventually. Plenty of interest throughout and nobody is running away with the championship.

I'll watch the undercard events tomorrow.

[SaferRides]

That was brave of Darryn to pass his brother!

I wasn't sure they'd even get the race started. Definitely a better wet than dry track.

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[iYRe]

I was clenching and I wasnt even riding.. bloody hell.

[roogazza]

I was clenching and I wasnt even riding.. bloody hell.

Man , that #93 crash would have made ya eyes water !! Banged his head as well.

Happy for Yamaha and Fabio Q.

Prefer dry races myself .

[iYRe]

I'm becoming a fan of FQ, slowly.

There's a lot of talk on the internet that MM should retire.. that he cant ride fast etc etc..
The dude is only 29.. And the season has only just started.

Olivera was great.. and Zarco was almost in tears.

[onearmedbandit]

There's always a lot of talk on the internet.

[iYRe]

There's always a lot of talk on the internet.


most of it is mine I suspect lol

[SaferRides]

I'm becoming a fan of FQ, slowly.

There's a lot of talk on the internet that MM should retire.. that he cant ride fast etc etc..
The dude is only 29.. And the season has only just started.

Olivera was great.. and Zarco was almost in tears.The Honda with that Michelin rear was almost unrideable. MM was sliding the front and rear on the same lap whenever he tried to push it. You can never accuse him of not trying!

Pol's comments about the rear tyre are very blunt I'm sure Puig will be getting a please explain email from Michelin!

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[Autech]

That was one of the better wet races I've seen, impressive grip levels there.

Jack Miller showed Miguel a few tricks at the beginning, tis a shame Jack wasn't able to podium but at least he didn't bin it, I suspect that he was keeping the championship in his mind when fighting Zarco and Olivera.

Both Binders were true class, I'd say if Brad had been able to start better and get out of the spray he'd have been right up there too.
Go KTM! I think MQ was on for a win regardless of the weather though, good shit.



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[James Deuce]

That was one of the better wet races I've seen, impressive grip levels there.

Jack Miller showed Miguel a few tricks at the beginning, tis a shame Jack wasn't able to podium but at least he didn't bin it, I suspect that he was keeping the championship in his mind when fighting Zarco and Olivera.

Both Binders were true class, I'd say if Brad had been able to start better and get out of the spray he'd have been right up there too.
Go KTM! I think MQ was on for a win regardless of the weather though, good shit.



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Jack rode like Jack always does. He is at least fast and finished.
Has anyone fired Vinales yet?

[mulletman]

Hugh Anderson has become a 'MotoGP Legend' :niceone:

https://www.gpone.com/en/2022/03/21/motogp/jorge-lorenzo-and-max-biaggi-to-become-motogp-legends.html

[Reckless]

Agreed great race and bloody fast in the wet to.

Best rider won on the day.
Unfortunately this seems to be the tail of the story for Miller. I was hoping the lad from down under would have better luck.
Brads last pass on his yonger brother was a bit harsh

MM was a horrid crash could have happened to any one and nearly did for quite few thanks to the tyre change.

WTF is up with Tyres you can't change tyres that much with no testing.
Like putting a hard sided truck tyre on when all the testing, traction control, bike set up is for something else.
You would be guessing with traction control setup until people started falling off.
The Honda hated it the KTM not so much
They are bloody lucky it rained more people didn't get hurt rolling out a 2018 tyre casing
I agree with Pol its bullshit.

I believe we have to have a control tyre or tyres will be getting made for specific riders but this is not safe.
Maybe they should have one tyre set that has safe margins at all tracks rather than changing the compound for every tyre (soft med hard) at every track they go to.
Here is your tyre for the season lads.

[Autech]

Agreed great race and bloody fast in the wet to.

Best rider won on the day.
Unfortunately this seems to be the tail of the story for Miller. I was hoping the lad from down under would have better luck.
Brads last pass on his yonger brother was a bit harsh

MM was a horrid crash could have happened to any one and nearly did for quite few thanks to the tyre change.

WTF is up with Tyres you can't change tyres that much with no testing.
Like putting a hard sided truck tyre on when all the testing, traction control, bike set up is for something else.
You would be guessing with traction control setup until people started falling off.
The Honda hated it the KTM not so much
They are bloody lucky it rained more people didn't get hurt rolling out a 2018 tyre casing
I agree with Pol its bullshit.

I believe we have to have a control tyre or tyres will be getting made for specific riders but this is not safe.
Maybe they should have one tyre set that has safe margins at all tracks rather than changing the compound for every tyre (soft med hard) at every track they go to.
Here is your tyre for the season lads.Matt Oxley agrees, he echos my opinion that Michelins decision nearly cost us the best rider of a generation again.

Any more like that he'll be out for good.

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[iYRe]

Matt Oxley agrees, he echos my opinion that Michelins decision nearly cost us the best rider of a generation again.

Any more like that he'll be out for good.

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my senticles exactly

[george formby]

my senticles exactly

Does that mean the same as testiments?

[iYRe]

Does that mean the same as testiments?


something like that, just more tasty.

[george formby]

something like that, just more tasty.

The original salted caramel.

[iYRe]

The original salted caramel.

no comment


damn...

[Reckless]

Good read
What I was hinting at in a previous post. Well what I meant but put in a far better way.
When Rossi was near the end we had MM to admire when he slipped back through the pack.
I would hate to loose two icons in two consecutive years.
Never been his no1 fan but I sincerely hope MM can tame this.

https://www.gpone.com/en/2022/03/21/motogp/marc-marquez-the-phenomenon-struggling-to-become-human-again.html

[iYRe]

MM is out again with his eye issues.. apparently the bash on the head set it off again

[sugilite]

Yep, shit this is a major problem for him.....
https://www.mcnews.com.au/marc-marquez-double-vision-has-returned-following-mandalika-tumble/

[iYRe]

Yep, shit this is a major problem for him.....
https://www.mcnews.com.au/marc-marquez-double-vision-has-returned-following-mandalika-tumble/


He tweeted that it wasnt as bad as last time, but as reckless's article says, he needs to chill out.. but I dont think he can.. I reckon he might need to go do something like F1 while he still can.. he was lapping in an old car with "demo" tyres only a few secs slower than the current lap times - he's got a couple of years left in him for non head bashing into things kinda racing

[iYRe]

Just watched Ep 1 of MOTOGP unlimited..

No amazing revelations, but it was interesting to see MM reaction to getting back on the bike. He was shattered. As someone said, here you can see the man behind the athlete.

[mulletman]

Yep, shit this is a major problem for him.....
https://www.mcnews.com.au/marc-marquez-double-vision-has-returned-following-mandalika-tumble/

Through all FP , Q and warm up MM had MULTIPLE warnings of bad shit will come if he kept up pushing HARD , he had sooo many front and rear slides through out all the sessions but continued to 'push' instead of backing off a tad , he simply hasnt learnt his lesson yet and doesnt want to seem to read the signs of where the limit is.

Dont get me wrong i want to see him clean up Rossis world record titles but Marc & HONDA need to be happy at lower results at times.

[Reckless]

Unfortunately this is "his Way" he has been saving it on his knee for years.
He doesn't know any other way to sense the limit by the looks.
Made worse by the bloody Michelin tyre saga in this case.

Very Sad to see how this is panning out, the struggle is obvious (as far as we can tell from the outside because we know shit in reality).

I hope his dad is having some stern words with him. A united loving Family has always been portrayed to the public.
Honda must also be having some reservations on decisions for the future.
If his eyes are going to count him out from being a championship contender then who knows.
Lets see if he misses any GP's

Rossi had the VR46 academy and MotoGP and Moto2-3 teams to carry the candle.
We might see MM and his brother out this year :facepalm:

Bloody horrible set of circumstances I cant imagine what MM himself must be going through.

[F5 Dave]

His approach of Find the limit during practice not during the race has worked very well for him in the past. He didn't get where he was/is? Without it.

[Autech]

His approach of Find the limit during practice not during the race has worked very well for him in the past. He didn't get where he was/is? Without it.Yup but I'm sure if you comb back through the threads of years n years of forum posts many (us included) were worried for the day when he'd not be able to crash 3 times every weekend and walk away unscathed.

The only reason Rossi managed such a long career was the lack of really serious injuries compared to his rivals. MM won't make 42 sadly and I'm worried that if he doesn't change his approach he wont make it to 30.



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[Autech]

Gigi will just move the fairing instead lol.

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/999242/1/official-front-rideheight-devices-banned-motogp-2023

Looks like its early stage development from Ducati though so shouldn't be too bigger hit

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[F5 Dave]

That's funny. Then he'll put an actual hinge in the frame with hydraulic control. ;)


. . . Book mark this page .

[SaferRides]

As usual, one of the better discussions of the MM crash during warmup: https://motomatters.com/news/2022/03/22/marc_marquez_diagnosed_with_double.html

I haven't watched a video of the crash but understand that it was a massive highside after a closed throttle rear slide?

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[James Deuce]

As usual, one of the better discussions of the MM crash during warmup: https://motomatters.com/news/2022/03/22/marc_marquez_diagnosed_with_double.html

I haven't watched a video of the crash but understand that it was a massive highside after a closed throttle rear slide?

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One of the worst I've seen and his head hit HARD.

[Reckless]

I different take on MM Damn near bought a lump in my Chest LOL
Maybe we should celebrate him and not try tame him.
How many of us have the skill and balls to be like MM other than in our dreams.

Not so sure about his comments about Lorenzo and Stoner tho

https://www.superbikeplanet.com/expletive-deleted-warriors-dont-let-off/

[iYRe]

I different take on MM Damn near bought a lump in my Chest LOL
Maybe we should celebrate him and not try tame him.
How many of us have the skill and balls to be like MM other than in our dreams.

https://www.superbikeplanet.com/expletive-deleted-warriors-dont-let-off/

That's what you see when you watch that motogp doco.. a dude who is so wired to win, who wants to ride and compete, and will give every last bit of energy, emotion, strength for it.
He cant not do it, and he's likely to die trying, but what kind of person would he be if he didnt? I cant imagine how hard it is for him to just sit out a race, let alone 9 months.. a year..

They have to slow him down enough to recover, but they'll be doing him an injustice, and the sport an injustice if they try and cage him.

He's likely the only rider left out there who could wrangle an unruly machine and make it work. The guy from CRASH said, you can put an F1 driver in a faster car, and he'll go faster, or a slower one and he'll go slower, but put MM on a slower bike and he'll still somehow be up there challenging, because in motogp the rider is integral to the speed. Testicles like basketballs and the heart of a gladiator - that's whats needed.

[onearmedbandit]

Not so sure about his comments about Lorenzo and Stoner tho

https://www.superbikeplanet.com/expletive-deleted-warriors-dont-let-off/

Agreed, Marquez is not the only tough nut to have graced the MotoGP field. They all are.



"Jorge Lorenzo: Assen 2013
The latest in a long line of hardy men to climb back on two wheels when the rest of us were wincing...
Lorenzo broke his left collarbone on Thursday afternoon in a crash in free practice, flew to Barcelona the same day, was operated on in the early hours of Friday morning and then returned to the track in the Netherlands in the afternoon. After passing fitness tests on Saturday morning he rode in the race and placed fifth, just 48 hours after picking up the injury and a mere 36 hours after having a titanium plate and eight screws inserted into the bone."

https://www.redbull.com/int-en/incredible-motogp-comebacks

Marquez is a tough nut no doubt, but I think the author does a disservice to the other riders.

And then we have this line from the author too -


I told him that the unfortunate reality of our sport is that the very best riders would rather be dead than finish second

Yup rather die than fight for the title.

[F5 Dave]

Geez give that writer a beer and he'll be all like" Doohan was a pussy and so were those olden day guys where the death rate was several a season. At least the ones that survived were" . [ Continue rant to subtly imply the writer is made of the same stock, if it wasn't for the gammy leg from the war he'd have been out there. Blah blah].

[Autech]

I don't subscribe to the MM being a god amongst aliens hype though.
If he really was that good he'd have such a huge margin and would never crash.

Is his method of riding spectacular?
Yes

Was it dominant in his time?
Yes

What are we seeing now then? What we are seeing is the next step of guys who watched him race (just as he watched VR, CS, DP, JL etc) then thought fuck this guy ima smoke em.

Fabio was the first sign of this, damn near beating him on a b grade machine on multiple occasions.
Then Rins made him his bitch at Silverstone. Dovi gave him multiple servings...

He's only crashing so much as he's trying to keep that dominance but the level is so high because all these guys have watched him and raised the bar even more. Which is awesome. He's got the skill, but he's carrying the injuries now that the guys he contended with in the beginning had.

Its an awesome sport as nothing stands still.

Autechs opinion, but I'll be surprised if we ever see another era of MM dominance, soley because he's caused the bar to be raised once again.

Pedro Acosta the next step????

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[Autech]

Heh! I won't hold my breath.

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/999294/1/aprilia-breakthrough-maverick-vinales-mandalika

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[steveyb]

Hey, just a question regarding accessing this show on Prime Video.
I just opened my 7 Day free trial and it is not there.
Is anyone else watching it?
Is it only available when paying?
Or something else?

Answers on a postcard.....

In the meantime I can watch Picard and The Boys.

Cheers

[iYRe]

Hey, just a question regarding accessing this show on Prime Video.
I just opened my 7 Day free trial and it is not there.
Is anyone else watching it?
Is it only available when paying?
Or something else?

Answers on a postcard.....

In the meantime I can watch Picard and The Boys.

Cheers
Its only available overseas.. VPN to the USA basically.

[Reckless]

Hey, just a question regarding accessing this show on Prime Video.
I just opened my 7 Day free trial and it is not there.
Is anyone else watching it?
Is it only available when paying?
Or something else?

Answers on a postcard.....

In the meantime I can watch Picard and The Boys.

Cheers

We got a free year full subscription with our Fibre connection I searched Moto GP unlimited and Moto GP
No Unlimited came up

[steveyb]

What the actual FUCK???
What, is NZ speschul or something.
I don't get that.

Found some insight here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/motogp/comments/tfsjiv/motogp_unlimited_not_available_in_nzau/

SKY TV strikes yet again.
Is it on SKY? Anyone?

[iYRe]

To be fair, we dont get a lot of the good stuff...

Having worked in media, its quite hard/expensive to get the rights for stuff, so you protect it like Harry Brown.

That's why I have resorted to other means... I have ep 1,5,6,7,8 - but cant find 2,3,4.

[iYRe]

PS, if you're considering using VPN, do some research to make sure you're not selling your soul to some one you dont want to own it.

[mulletman]

We got a free year full subscription with our Fibre connection I searched Moto GP unlimited and Moto GP
No Unlimited came up

Same...
'not avaliable in your area' when google searched

[Dadpole]

A little bird told me that the full set of MotoGP Unlimited (with full language and subtitle options) is available at https://www.limetorrents.pro/MotoGP-Unlimited-(2022)-Season-01-S01-(1080p-HEVC-AMZN-WEB-DL-DD%20-5-1-x265-deef-torrent-17205887.html

The subtitled version is much better than dubbed.

[pritch]

Is it on SKY? Anyone?

No, it's on Spark Sport in NZ at $24.99 per month, I click the 'suspend account' icon at the end of the season. They have F1, UEFA football, NBA, and a bunch of other stuff, you can fill your boots if you want. It costs me just under $200 for the 8 month season. It would be $222.98 paying for a MotoGP subscription. (Hmmm.)

Then you have to sort your devices. If you have a smart TV you should be good. Apple TV or Chromcast will work, but my Apple TV is too old to work with Spark so I watch on a lap top. Watching it on a cell phone would be a pain in the arse.

[Reckless]

No, it's on Spark Sport in NZ at $24.99 per month, I click the 'suspend account' icon at the end of the season. They have F1, UEFA football, NBA, and a bunch of other stuff, you can fill your boots if you want. It costs me just under $200 for the 8 month season. It would be $222.98 paying for a MotoGP subscription. (Hmmm.)

Then you have to sort your devices. If you have a smart TV you should be good. Apple TV or Chromecast will work, but my Apple TV is too old to work with Spark so I watch on a lap top. Watching it on a cell phone would be a pain in the arse.

I went Spark Sport on the full year with discount $255-00 ($21.25 per month). I thought it was a reasonable deal for the extra $32 bucks compared to MotoGP Sub at $223-00 considering you get all the other sports incl F1 and rally.
My son watches the cricket via my account and the Mondial motorsport summaries aren't to bad on spark.
The only thing I miss compared to the MotoGP sub is the riders conferences.

[iYRe]

John McGuiness commenting on MM:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABXAnbY8Ff8

[pritch]

McGuinness knows that of which he speaks. Marquez' father is usually in the pits, he should be keeping a close eye on his lad. Alberto Puig will likely be more concerned with Honda's results than with Marquez' welfare.

[Autech]

McGuinness knows that of which he speaks. Marquez' father is usually in the pits, he should be keeping a close eye on his lad. Alberto Puig will likely be more concerned with Honda's results than with Marquez' welfare.I generally don't pass judgement on people I haven't met myself.

But Puig is almost certainly a deadset cunt

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[actungbaby]

I generally don't pass judgement on people I haven't met myself.

But Puig is almost certainly a deadset cunt

Sent from my SM-G991B using TapatalkYeah i think honda should fire him .

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[iYRe]

McGuinness knows that of which he speaks. Marquez' father is usually in the pits, he should be keeping a close eye on his lad. Alberto Puig will likely be more concerned with Honda's results than with Marquez' welfare.

From memory, McGuinness is pretty familiar with honda too..
I think it is a bit tricky though, MM seems able to adapt his "racing style", if you know what I mean, but his nature, the dude who has to push his machinery as hard as he can, I am not sure that can be changed. Unless he some how realises that he cant win any more unless he changes - he might know that on an intellectual level, but in a primal nature level, he doesnt.

[iYRe]

Freddie Spencer v Nissan v 700c streetbike @laguna seca

https://fb.watch/c32RZ4ssIM/

[sugilite]

To be fair, we dont get a lot of the good stuff...

Having worked in media, its quite hard/expensive to get the rights for stuff, so you protect it like Harry Brown.

That's why I have resorted to other means... I have ep 1,5,6,7,8 - but cant find 2,3,4.
Yep, I was stuck on the same episodes, some of questionable quality! Until....


A little bird told me that the full set of MotoGP Unlimited (with full language and subtitle options) is available at https://www.limetorrents.pro/MotoGP-Unlimited-(2022)-Season-01-S01-(1080p-HEVC-AMZN-WEB-DL-DD%20-5-1-x265-deef-torrent-17205887.html

The subtitled version is much better than dubbed.
You sir are a saint, thank you! :yes:


Freddie Spencer v Nissan v 700c streetbike @laguna seca

https://fb.watch/c32RZ4ssIM/

Bloody good watch, cheers for sharing that find :yes:

[onearmedbandit]

It wasn't too hard to see this being the case.

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/999772/1/breaking-news-marc-marquez-miss-argentina-motogp

[iYRe]

Keith Huewen's comments were interesting in the podcast..

Keith Huewen: Why I'm concerned for Marc Marquez's MotoGP career | MotoGP | News (crash.net) (https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/999764/1/keith-huewen-why-im-concerned-marquezs-career)

What happens if he is doing 320 down the back straight in a bunch of riders and suddenly gets double vision..

It could be the end of his racing career now.

[roogazza]

Keith Huewen's comments were interesting in the podcast..

Keith Huewen: Why I'm concerned for Marc Marquez's MotoGP career | MotoGP | News (crash.net) (https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/999764/1/keith-huewen-why-im-concerned-marquezs-career)

What happens if he is doing 320 down the back straight in a bunch of riders and suddenly gets double vision..

It could be the end of his racing career now.

Agree bud, how do you begin to advise a young fella (and he is a young fella compared to me!) that he's done enough...
He's certainly not a beige creature like Dovi, he wants to win !

I didn't think much about hammering my body for many years , motorbikes ,serious Squash player etc.
But boy am I suffering now at 73 in ten days !!!!
The wife says I am paying now,but hey, I'd do it all again the very same way. :bleh::bleh:

[iYRe]

Agree bud, how do you begin to advise a young fella (and he is a young fella compared to me!) that he's done enough...
He's certainly not a beige creature like Dovi, he wants to win !

God only knows...

Hopefully there are people on a higher paygrade than us who know..

[F5 Dave]

Agree bud, how do you begin to advise a young fella (and he is a young fella compared to me!) that he's done enough...
He's certainly not a beige creature like Dovi, he wants to win !

I didn't think much about hammering my body for many years , motorbikes ,serious Squash player etc.
But boy am I suffering now at 73 in ten days !!!!
The wife says I am paying now,but hey, I'd do it all again the very same way. :bleh::bleh:

Think that's a bit unfair on Dovi. A world champion who, if not for unfortunate timing of being around the same time as one of the absolute best (MM) would have been 3 time motoGP champion as well, is now ending his career a bit like Rossi did.

Let's see if MM is still as fast as Dovi at 38.

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. Ok I wouldn't bet against it, but ya know?

[roogazza]

Think that's a bit unfair on Dovi. A world champion who, if not for unfortunate timing of being around the same time as one of the absolute best (MM) would have been 3 time motoGP champion as well, is now ending his career a bit like Rossi did.
Let's see if MM is still as fast as Dovi at 38.
Ok I wouldn't bet against it, but ya know?

I could have not mentioned beige,I liked him in 250. Good braker and was able to use the Doocati HP.

Still think it's his swan song tho..... two many young brave fellas out there now.... Didn't think the Yamaha would suit him from the beginning. But thought just maybe his corner speed might appear ?
The Binder kid on the Yam liked the wet ?
Go Fabio Q !!!!! ciao xx

[Autech]

Yeah i think honda should fire him .

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Look how there results have flopped since he took over? Coincidence? Nah.


Think that's a bit unfair on Dovi. A world champion who, if not for unfortunate timing of being around the same time as one of the absolute best (MM) would have been 3 time motoGP champion as well, is now ending his career a bit like Rossi did.

Let's see if MM is still as fast as Dovi at 38.

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. Ok I wouldn't bet against it, but ya know?

Forgetting the seasons prior where he got his arse handed to him by all the other aliens, 1 win whilst onboard a factory Honda and only in the rain?
He didn't win the title as he wasn't good enough (as stated by you), that Ducati has been up for a title for many years now and its best chances were earlier before everyone caught up. Now the Suzuki can slipstream them and pass them on the straight... If they'd kept Jorge they'd have a few titles by now (even against MM). Good rider, but his wins came from tyre management rather than outright pace. He'll be gone by the end of the season as the young fullas just want it more.
Scenario for you to contemplate:
Quatararo leaves Yamaha at the end of the year as he's sick of the lack of HP
Toprak slots into his seat alongside Franco as he's said he will only move for full factory machinery
Does Dovi keep that seat or do they bring in another rider along side DB?

Hmmmmm

[F5 Dave]

Oh I think he is well past his best, I'm just saying he was pretty good.

Hmm, quick wiki, oh hes only 36, was off by a couple of years, but heres an excerpt;

Dovizioso is one of the most successful modern MotoGP (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MotoGP) riders with 15 MotoGP victories and 62 podiums.

2004 he won the 125s. Seems a while back.

[Autech]

Oh I think he is well past his best, I'm just saying he was pretty good.

Hmm, quick wiki, oh hes only 36, was off by a couple of years, but heres an excerpt;

Dovizioso is one of the most successful modern MotoGP (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MotoGP) riders with 15 MotoGP victories and 62 podiums.

2004 he won the 125s. Seems a while back.

He was just unfortunate, as mentioned, to come up against Stoner, Lorenzo, Pedrosa, Rossi then finally Marquez in his career. Good, but those others had it over him week in week out. Bit like Crutchlow really, unsurprisingly he and CC were about the same speed on the Yamaha when they were on it. Good racer for sure, just lacking that special sauce.

[F5 Dave]

He was the only one taking it to MM those years he came 2nd. If MM had his injuries sooner, who do you think would have won those 3 titles in a row to fill a Vacuum when they couldn'tbeat him before?
Sometimes it takes a while for people to master an open class GP bike. I think the later years he did.

[iYRe]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWEsLUOQpyQ

Logistical issues it seems

also:

http://https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/marquez-michelin-has-to-see-their-problems-when-motogp-tyre-issues-arise/

[pritch]

Logistical issues it seems



Not for the first time. The track is a long way from anywhere.

[mulletman]

https://photos.motogp.com/2022/04/01/screenshot-2022-04-01-at-19.44.15.small.png

[pritch]

Coverage of the MotoGP qualifying is scheduled to start at 8.00AM tomorrow which is quite civilised.

Coverage of the race is scheduled to run from 5.25AM to 7.05AM Monday. I'll watch that later.

[sugilite]

Days of In Line Fours being semi competitive numbered?
https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/why-motogp-may-become-a-drag-for-suzuki-and-yamaha

[Dadpole]

Days of In Line Fours being semi competitive numbered?
https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/why-motogp-may-become-a-drag-for-suzuki-and-yamaha

Just to add to the head-scratching, if we eliminate a freak by the name of Marquez, the last non-inline4 to win the WC was 2007

[Reckless]

Ban the aero we are already starting to hear the wash is affecting passing etc.
Now its affecting Suspension, power etc etc its to much they are slowly factoring out rider skill.

It will be like F1, all about the car then we will have to have go fast buttons you can push so many times per race so they can pass and that is just rubbish. :brick:

[iYRe]

Ep 6 of MotoGp unlimited, telling words from MM (to Rins) after his epic battle with Bagnaia:

"This year is going by fast. Before there were a lot of crashes. You could be an idiot in a race. You go "eeeee" and accelerate. Now it is full throttle all the way"

Therein lies the difference. Interesting to note that the first win back from injury MM was 1 sec faster than the year before..

[mulletman]

FP2 Aprilia 1 & 2 !
Lets see if they can keep it up in Qualifying.