Moto GP 2022

[denill]

David Muñoz: there’s a name we will be reading quite often in the future. In his second race after turning 16……..

[denill]

Where was Simon Crafer?

[mulletman]

Where was Simon Crafer?


Allergies pollen or summit

[pritch]

Fucking great time to be an Aleix Espagaro fan. That was one hell of a quali lap.


One day the rooster, next day a feather duster. Fuck! I feel for the guy.

[iYRe]

And the lesson today is, dont stop racing until you see the flag.

Feel so sorry for him.. and he's sittin the pits with his wife and kids and his kids are crying in sympathy.

But yeah.. FQ - the only dude who can catch him/beat him is MM 100% fit on a decent bike.

We may never see that though.

[onearmedbandit]

David Muñoz: there’s a name we will be reading quite often in the future. In his second race after turning 16……..

Yes it would certainly seem so huh. Another Spanish sensation.

I felt so gutted for AE I couldn't watch him come back into to the pits.

[Reckless]

Two races in a row now FQ masterclass- This Race Simply brilliant.

Oh Dear Aleix - I think every man and his dog feels for him today.

The rest was a mess
Taka- stupid and proved Rins point from last race.
Quite a few Ducati's on their arse
Miller and Morbid not good
Andrea simply gave up.
KTM cant find it for their riders.

Still hope for MV

FQ has got them all syked out. Pure brilliance on a track that doesn't suit.
I starting to think more power might fuck that bike up TBH

Secondly I thought that Aliex lack of the speed he showed all weekend was maybe tyres not so good.
Interesting Millers comments at 5:48 here
https://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2022/06/05/how-are-riders-feeling-after-a-chaotic-catalan-gp/424753?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=Social&utm_content=HowareridersfeelingafterachaoticCatala nGP%3F&utm_campaign=Traffic&fbclid=IwAR3ALZGUjUpJi07zvS7A3c2OvsiMdPyRUBkE7HT8W amew14gqH06sUayWeI

[roogazza]

Just watched the Mugello race ! #20 Fabio Q and the Yam brilliant....

Sad for me to see the lack of crowds, down about 50 % !! Haven't been for 4 years and can't ever see me going again.... But they were wonderful years and I spent a shed load of money doing it...
Lots of memories...

Catalunya next Sunday for me on Ch 3.

Still backing #20 for a second Title .

[mulletman]

Just watched the Mugello race ! #20 Fabio Q and the Yam brilliant....

Sad for me to see the lack of crowds, down about 50 % !!.

200 euros for ticket entry might have something to do with it..not sure if it was just that price for race day.

[roogazza]

200 euros for ticket entry might have something to do with it..not sure if it was just that price for race day.
Yeah I think I paid about 150 Euros in the last couple of years and that was for the 3days ! (was 4days).
Wonderful place with over 100,000 screaming Italians .
Imagine the noise with these stationary engines etc.351267351268351269

[pritch]

TT rather than GP but sad for all concerned including those responsible.


https://www.rte.ie/sport/motorsport/2022/0608/1303666-isle-of-man-tt-organisers-name-wrong-man-in-fatal-crash/

[ducatilover]

TT rather than GP but sad for all concerned including those responsible.


https://www.rte.ie/sport/motorsport/2022/0608/1303666-isle-of-man-tt-organisers-name-wrong-man-in-fatal-crash/

One has to ask, how the heck does that happen?

[roogazza]

TT rather than GP but sad for all concerned including those responsible.


https://www.rte.ie/sport/motorsport/2022/0608/1303666-isle-of-man-tt-organisers-name-wrong-man-in-fatal-crash/

It my younger days I did consider having a crack at that style of racing. A good mate (Hiscock )was goin and suggested ,yeah mate come over and be my mechanic as well !!!
So easy to make a mistake on a place like that,glad I didn't.... Dave took a while to learn it in sections and did quite well. But nah glad I didn't .
I hada career in the Police as well so opted for a safe life, lol. :laugh::mellow::shifty::Police:

[pritch]

One has to ask, how the heck does that happen?

They were from Europe, newcomers to the TT, so they were not already well known. Neither would have been in a position to chat after the accident.

It's not quite as simple as it is with a solo where there are big numbers on the bike that identify the rider. A sidecar number gives two options.

They arent soldiers, they don't wear dog tags. Although that may be up for revue?

[pritch]

It my younger days I did consider having a crack at that style of racing. A good mate (Hiscock )was goin and suggested ,yeah mate come over and be my mechanic as well !!!
So easy to make a mistake on a place like that,glad I didn't.... Dave took a while to learn it in sections and did quite well. But nah glad I didn't .
I hada career in the Police as well so opted for a safe life, lol. :laugh::mellow::shifty::Police:

Not sure if he's still current, but one of the Taranaki cops raced in the IoM.

[Autech]

It my younger days I did consider having a crack at that style of racing. A good mate (Hiscock )was goin and suggested ,yeah mate come over and be my mechanic as well !!!
So easy to make a mistake on a place like that,glad I didn't.... Dave took a while to learn it in sections and did quite well. But nah glad I didn't .
I hada career in the Police as well so opted for a safe life, lol. [emoji23]:mellow::shifty::Police:I won't even do the NZ street circuits, let alone the IOM TT lol.
I know my limits, not wanting to find them the hardest way

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[roogazza]

I won't even do the NZ street circuits, let alone the IOM TT lol.
I know my limits, not wanting to find them the hardest way
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lol strangely I loved the Street circuits best ! I felt at home on them , curbs and gutters etc.
But the speeds aren't like the TT .... so maybe thats it?
First race was Wanganui in the rain 70 or 71
Might have been all that riding on the Rimutakas from a young age lol.
I was keen to win Points Races to gauge my level (and probably to piss others off that were chasing Championships.!!!!! )
It wasn't in me to be happy with a place here or there...and gathering points !

[Reckless]

Me to to old for street circuits no damn run off. We have only one left in the north anyway - Boxing day.

Miller news
https://www.motogp.com/en/news/2022/06/09/miller-signs-two-year-deal-with-red-bull-ktm/425071?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=Social&utm_content=MillersignstwoyeardealwithRedBullKTM&utm_campaign=Traffic&fbclid=IwAR04XAvtSi_lOTxw3ZX0hXb5IM8kycPl_4kLnLU3i CrrvwVvRIINAzqVDOY

He might have signed at the right time after two seasons going wayward for Ktm or it might be a dog that needs a new chassis.
KTM's main history is not in road bikes lets see how it goes - I'd quite like him to shove it up Ducati :)

[Autech]

lol strangely I loved the Street circuits best ! I felt at home on them , curbs and gutters etc, but the speeds aren't like the TT maybe thats it?
First race was Wanganui in the rain 70 or 71
Might have been all that riding on the Rimutakas from a young age lol.
I was keen to win Points Races to gauge my level (and probably to piss others off that were chasing Championships.!!!!! )
It wasn't in me to be happy with a place here or there...Yeah I made a deal with the bestest half to never run on one, she reminds me everytime I get the slightest hankering.

Can't honestly say Miller is a better rider than Olivera, but as stated he'll ride the phuckin wheels of it where it seems Olivera needs everything to click, which its not at the mo.
He'll be the first guy to win with 3 manufacturers at least and awesome they signed him for 2 years, he's been on 1 year contracts far too long which must effect his performance.

I honestly think that without all the aero nonsence KTM would be in the mix, they just seem to be struggling to make it work as well as the other homies.

Ducati letting him go is a mistake though, none of their riders seem capable of putting in solid results week in week out bar Zarco, who always flops in form as the season goes on. I'm honestly surprised his seat hasn't been mentioned with the likes of Rins and Mir on the market. Its a shame as its looks like Darren Binders not going to get another season when he's been showing awesome form of late, finishing as the fastest Yamaha behind Fabio.

My predictions at the mo:

Mir to Honda
Rins to one of the new Aprilia seats
Ogura to take Takas seat at LCR
Alex Marquex to keep his seat because of his last name
Olivera to take the Beasts seat
The Beast to Factory Ducati
Then I dunno from there



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[James Deuce]

Me to to old for street circuits no damn run off. We have only one left in the north anyway - Boxing day.

Miller news
https://www.motogp.com/en/news/2022/06/09/miller-signs-two-year-deal-with-red-bull-ktm/425071?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=Social&utm_content=MillersignstwoyeardealwithRedBullKTM&utm_campaign=Traffic&fbclid=IwAR04XAvtSi_lOTxw3ZX0hXb5IM8kycPl_4kLnLU3i CrrvwVvRIINAzqVDOY

He might have signed at the right time after two seasons going wayward for Ktm or it might be a dog that needs a new chassis.
KTM's main history is not in road bikes lets see how it goes - I'd quite like him to shove it up Ducati :)

That's his career done. KTM are suffering from the same ideological rigidity that Ducati entered MotoGP with. There is no way to manufacture two steel trellis-based chassis exactly the same. Ducati had changed their design and manufacturing philosophies by this stage of their entry into MotoGP.

[James Deuce]

Yeah I made a deal with the bestest half to never run on one, she reminds me everytime I get the slightest hankering.

Can't honestly say Miller is a better rider than Olivera, but as stated he'll ride the phuckin wheels of it where it seems Olivera needs everything to click, which its not at the mo.
He'll be the first guy to win with 3 manufacturers at least and awesome they signed him for 2 years, he's been on 1 year contracts far too long which must effect his performance.

I honestly think that without all the aero nonsence KTM would be in the mix, they just seem to be struggling to make it work as well as the other homies.

Ducati letting him go is a mistake though, none of their riders seem capable of putting in solid results week in week out bar Zarco, who always flops in form as the season goes on. I'm honestly surprised his seat hasn't been mentioned with the likes of Rins and Mir on the market. Its a shame as its looks like Darren Binders not going to get another season when he's been showing awesome form of late, finishing as the fastest Yamaha behind Fabio.

My predictions at the mo:

Mir to Honda
Rins to one of the new Aprilia seats
Ogura to take Takas seat at LCR
Alex Marquex to keep his seat because of his last name
Olivera to take the Beasts seat
The Beast to Factory Ducati
Then I dunno from there



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My pick is Bastianini will end up on Pol Espargaro's Honda.
A. Marquez will get the heave ho for Rins or Mir.

[F5 Dave]

Yeah I made a deal with the bestest half to never run on one, she reminds me everytime I get the slightest hankering.

Can't honestly say Miller is a better rider than Olivera, but as stated he'll ride the phuckin wheels of it where it seems Olivera needs everything to click, which its not at the mo.
He'll be the first guy to win with 3 manufacturers at least and awesome they signed him for 2 years, he's been on 1 year contracts far too long which must effect his performance.

I honestly think that without all the aero nonsence KTM would be in the mix, they just seem to be struggling to make it work as well as the other homies.

Ducati letting him go is a mistake though, none of their riders seem capable of putting in solid results week in week out bar Zarco, who always flops in form as the season goes on. I'm honestly surprised his seat hasn't been mentioned with the likes of Rins and Mir on the market. Its a shame as its looks like Darren Binders not going to get another season when he's been showing awesome form of late, finishing as the fastest Yamaha behind Fabio.

My predictions at the mo:

Mir to Honda
Rins to one of the new Aprilia seats
Ogura to take Takas seat at LCR
Alex Marquex to keep his seat because of his last name
Olivera to take the Beasts seat
The Beast to Factory Ducati
Then I dunno from there



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That's a considered list . I'm glad I didn't make a predictions as I'd not have made that list, but then would be back-pedalling to mirror yours.

[roogazza]

How do we pick a Champ out of this years crop, I wouldn't dare ! I think you have to get to some GP's and talk to teams and get all the inside goss ? Otherwise you may as will ask Stuff.com !!!!! or the Herald.

All the new young guys seem good but I miss the MM, Rossi , Lorenzo etc etc in other words the Aliens.

You have to be good to get to GP level, but then there's the Elite,the top line dudes .

My picks would be Bagnia and my Fav Fabio Q, the rest like AE will pull off the odd win or good ride but I wouldn't be guessing on KTM or Aprillia...or any of their riders....

I await to be proved wrong.... Motogp is in a flat phase I think ?

I wish the Yamahas would give #20 a new engine or a V4 or Bagnia to settle and be consistant...:confused: Am I that wrong ????

[Autech]

That's a considered list . I'm glad I didn't make a predictions as I'd not have made that list, but then would be back-pedalling to mirror yours.I'm almost certainly phuckin wrong, but its makes the best sense to me.

Where I really have no idea is whats going to happen to Raul and Remy. For them to be kicked out of Motogp after such a dominant moto2 season after only 1 year would be crazy.

Especially when you have dead weight in the forms of Alex Marquez, (hem hem) Vinales, Nakagami, Dovi (especially) etc holding down seats that could go to someone more competitive. Likewise Darren Binder, he's earned another season at least.

The one I'm rooting for the most is Franco, he's fast as fuck but has not been himself since that big injury last year, so I think they should keep him where he is as they kept Fabio when Franco smoked him for that season. The level is so high its easy to slip to the side a bit I think.

I reckon Olivera has been slower since he got married to his step sister lol. Too much rooting

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[Autech]

How do we pick a Champ out of this years crop, I wouldn't dare ! I think you have to get to some GP's and talk to teams and get all the inside goss ? Otherwise you may as will ask Stuff.com !!!!! or the Herald.

All the new young guys seem good but I miss the MM, Rossi , Lorenzo etc etc in other words the Aliens.

You have to be good to get to GP level, but then there's the Elite,the top line dudes .

My picks would be Bagnia and my Fav Fabio Q, the rest like AE will pull off the odd win or good ride but I wouldn't be guessing on KTM or Aprillia...or any of their riders....

I await to be proved wrong.... Motogp is in a flat phase I think ?

I wish the Yamahas would give #20 a new engine or a V4 or Bagnia to settle and be consistant...:confused: Am I that wrong ????The Aliens as they were have gone and raised another whole generation full of aliens I think. 3/4 of the motogp grid would be capable of going toe to toe with the 4 aliens of that era now.
There are some riders still ahead of the rest, like Fabio, Marc Marquez, Brad Binder on raw talent and riding to the limit etc, but they're mearly a toe above of the rest of the field rather than head a shoulders like Rossi, Lorenzo, Pedrosa, Stoner were.

Joan Mir is the closest thing we've had to someone who was shaping up to be an alien reaching Motogp recently (going off his lower class trajectory) but its not turned into much on the big bikes.

But, that toes difference that Fabio has this year is enough to give him alien status imo. He's doing things on the bike that no one else can, he'll be champion this year as the only competition he has either falls off, gets taken out or have their teams pull the plug ruining the season. Its a shame as I thought Mir and Rins were well up for a shot this year.

I'll be cheering Aleix the whole way though, always viewed him as a rider not given the bike to show his stuff, he's showing it now for sure. Suzuki were fucking morons to dump him when they did.

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[iYRe]

Crash just did a little bit of analysis of a race between Stoner and MM - worked out the bikes they would ride and the track..

Conclusion MM would probably win because they would be similar speed and MM would take it to CS, and has that bloody minded "not coming second" mentality.

It was an interesting thought experiment.

This comment was interesting:

I heard a podcast with the Italian engineer who had CS and (the next year) MM in Honda:he said Marc was the only rider to read Casey's telemetry at Stoner turn in Philip Island who actually did the same thing Casey did (going almost flat out).He also said that talent and speed wise they were very very close, he ultimately gave Casey a slight edge: but he thought Marc would've had the mental edge against him, thanks to his will to have close quarter fights, while Stoner was less prone to them.He said Marc's fighting style would've drove Casey nuts.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E60nU_5WdhE

[F5 Dave]

I was expecting more from Remy etc, but it could be a sign of the times when things are so close that a dud bike will just hold you back. Pity it isn't 2020 (ok, no, but what I mean) for KTM when everything was aligning. At least for a little bit.

Bags will stop crashing soon and watch out. Heck maybe Honda could build a good bike before Pol loses his will, but alas.

Next year back to 500s on green alcohol, no aero or TC and rear tyres on the front and vice versa

[ducatilover]

I don't think Remy was ever going to work on the KTM, he's not aggressive enough and his riding is quite rear tyre biased

I think MM is the most alien rider we have seen in the modern era. His raw skill is incredible. Just look at his results pre 2020. He was fast from day 1 and it just became silly by 2019

Fabio is a remarkable talent and i think has a couple championships left up his sleeve. I do think there is a significant level of underperformance from Dovi and poor broke-knee Franky (that's a real bugger, he has so much ability) which makes him look even more incredible.

[ducatilover]

Next year back to 500s on green alcohol, no aero or TC and rear tyres on the front and vice versa might as well put them all back on moto2 bikes if you want them to be slow and no rider aids eh

[F5 Dave]

Just like a moto2 but with a fuckton more power and less weight. So not comparable.

[iYRe]

I think MM is the most alien rider we have seen in the modern era. His raw skill is incredible. Just look at his results pre 2020. He was fast from day 1 and it just became silly by 2019


and riding this year on a crappy bike with an arm twisted 30deg out of alignment

[Reckless]

I think MM is the most alien rider we have seen in the modern era. His raw skill is incredible. Just look at his results pre 2020. He was fast from day 1 and it just became silly by 2019

Fabio is a remarkable talent and i think has a couple championships left up his sleeve. I do think there is a significant level of underperformance from Dovi and poor broke-knee Franky (that's a real bugger, he has so much ability) which makes him look even more incredible.

The difference is between MM and Fabio is MM's style put him on his arse 5 times per meeting, Fabio seems to be able to keep it shiny side up.

I agree with you on Franky he just cant seem to find the magic setting. Him and a few others.
I guess we will see that more and more when the top 10 are now separated by .1000s
Maybe F5 is right the bikes are just to good now less rider difference.

[Autech]

Yeah I'd place Fabio above MM for riding ability for the below reasons:

He toes the limit of grip and doesn't need to cross it to find it.
He went toe to toe with MM in his rookie season on a B grade bike while MM was at his peak showing us just what he's made of. MM was so worried in Germany (IIRC) he tailed him trying to psych him out and crashed on a cold tyre because of it.
He's a clean rider, even massively down on power you don't see him nudging out the Ducatis (like Mir did last year) out of frustration.
Pure riding style, he's seems to be the only one able to climb all over the bike like MM does getting the weight where it needs to be.

I also believe it's no coincidence that Marc crashed out trying to beat Fabio in Jerez in 2020. Fabio was throwing down the gauntlet and MM was trying to bitch slap him with it.

Doesn't take away from Marcs years at the top (just as Marc didn't take away from Rossi etc), we're just seeing the changing of the guard once more. In a few years time it'll probably be Pedro Acosta showing Fabio what for, nothing stays the same and the goal posts keep shifting.

[ducatilover]

The difference is between MM and Fabio is MM's style put him on his arse 5 times per meeting, Fabio seems to be able to keep it shiny side up.

I agree with you on Franky he just cant seem to find the magic setting. Him and a few others.
I guess we will see that more and more when the top 10 are now separated by .1000s
Maybe F5 is right the bikes are just to good now less rider difference.
That is why Fabio will never dominate like MM. Both incredible riders and both very different approaches.

I hope Franky finds his shoes again, he did some super impressive shit in 2020

If F5 was right all the Yamahas would be much of a munchness. It's not the case. We have been spoiled by VR46 early years dominating, Stoner doing incredible things on shit bikes, Sunday special tyres giving advantages pre '07, Lorenzo doing disappearing acts, and MM doing MM stuff. This is what makes the bikes seems less interesting, we just don't have a JL99, MM93, VR46 etc on the grid right now. Fabio is a best we have, pecco will figure himself out too
The average skill level of the new riders is higher than ever too, this also makes for less "interesting" racing


I'm holding out for Fernandez to get an RNF seat, he will be something special.

[ducatilover]

Just like a moto2 but with a fuckton more power and less weight. So not comparable.

Moto2 bikes are faster around Mugello than Doohan was on a 500.
The 500s were neat, but a current gp bike without all the aids would kill ya a million times easier. Given that the GP22 is a casual 100hp+ more than peak 500s were

[F5 Dave]

Yes quarter of a century of chassis and suspension development will do that for you. More even than that, the tyres they keep wibbling on about are also 25 years more advanced.

I still think the idea of reversing the tyres holds merit, just for comedy purposes. But oh no. Some stuck in the mud officials probably aren't even seriously considering it. When I rule the world. . .

[Reckless]

Repsol weighing in. Goes with my comments above about riders Vs bikes.
100%agree as we will see none of these aids on any bike in a shop at anytime.
Good read


https://the-race.com/motogp/a-veiled-warning-to-motogp-from-its-oldest-sponsor/

[iYRe]

On crash net old Heuwen (spelling? meh) was talking about how motogp is better than F1, because in f1 is all about the car. Swap hamilton into a lesser car, and the lesser driver into hamiltons car, and the lesser driver will win. It doesnt work that way in motoGP. The rider still makes a difference. The danger is, imho, it is becoming less and less about the rider.

The days of the Aliens being able to beat the lesser riders will be over.. MM said that he prefers bikes with out all the aids on them, and you can see why. Would these younger riders be able to catch MM on his 2019 bike (or earlier)? No.. I dont necessarily think they are faster/better riders, I think the bikes are better/faster and require less of the riders. FQ is possibly the only rider left who could.

I dunno.. maybe I am wrong, but that's the way I se it going.

caveat: yes, I know the rider will still make a difference, just the difference will become less and less.

[george formby]

On crash net old Heuwen (spelling? meh) was talking about how motogp is better than F1, because in f1 is all about the car. Swap hamilton into a lesser car, and the lesser driver into hamiltons car, and the lesser driver will win. It doesnt work that way in motoGP. The rider still makes a difference. The danger is, imho, it is becoming less and less about the rider.

The days of the Aliens being able to beat the lesser riders will be over.. MM said that he prefers bikes with out all the aids on them, and you can see why. Would these younger riders be able to catch MM on his 2019 bike (or earlier)? No.. I dont necessarily think they are faster/better riders, I think the bikes are better/faster and require less of the riders. FQ is possibly the only rider left who could.

I dunno.. maybe I am wrong, but that's the way I se it going.

caveat: yes, I know the rider will still make a difference, just the difference will become less and less.

I'm pretty sure an ex Alien, name escapes me, talked about younger riders being able to ride a bike right at the limits of the electronics suite. Something they struggled with.

Aero, engine and budget - as ever - probably has a bigger impact than the regulated electronics package.

[iYRe]

I'm pretty sure an ex Alien, name escapes me, talked about younger riders being able to ride a bike right at the limits of the electronics suite. Something they struggled with.

Aero, engine and budget - as ever - probably has a bigger impact than the regulated electronics package.

I think Rossi said something like that...

The thing is, its going past the limits that means you can pass the guy in front who is at the limits of his electronics.. and use the aero/engine/bugdet

I think thats the point I was making, although that was a few hours ago and my memory is failing

[george formby]

I think Rossi said something like that...

The thing is, its going past the limits that means you can pass the guy in front who is at the limits of his electronics.. and use the aero/engine/bugdet

I think thats the point I was making, although that was a few hours ago and my memory is failing

In hindsight, discussion of the electronics and how best to use them has died off and riders are still launching into the kitty litter so hopefully it will be quite some time before it turns into a video game.

Any hoo, who's the nipper that's landed with a bang in Moto 3? He's not shy.

[Autech]

I do find the irony in the fact that they dumbed the electronics down to cut costs, so the engineers found another area to spend even more money than they ever did on their own electronics.

Time for another regulation shake up maybe?

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[BMWST?]

How do we pick a Champ out of this years crop, I wouldn't dare ! I think you have to get to some GP's and talk to teams and get all the inside goss ? Otherwise you may as will ask Stuff.com !!!!! or the Herald.

All the new young guys seem good but I miss the MM, Rossi , Lorenzo etc etc in other words the Aliens.

You have to be good to get to GP level, but then there's the Elite,the top line dudes .

My picks would be Bagnia and my Fav Fabio Q, the rest like AE will pull off the odd win or good ride but I wouldn't be guessing on KTM or Aprillia...or any of their riders....

I await to be proved wrong.... Motogp is in a flat phase I think ?

I wish the Yamahas would give #20 a new engine or a V4 or Bagnia to settle and be consistant...:confused: Am I that wrong ????

a morepowerful yamaha will be compromised in other ways. The Ducati still cant turn like the Yamaha

[James Deuce]

On crash net old Heuwen (spelling? meh) was talking about how motogp is better than F1, because in f1 is all about the car. Swap hamilton into a lesser car, and the lesser driver into hamiltons car, and the lesser driver will win. It doesnt work that way in motoGP. The rider still makes a difference. The danger is, imho, it is becoming less and less about the rider.



Have you watched any F1 this year? That comment definitely doesn't stack up.

[iYRe]

Have you watched any F1 this year? That comment definitely doesn't stack up.

nah, I find it a bit boring, and I have to fight the missus and the kids for access to TV's etc - sport watching time is precious, so IoM, MotoGP, Cycling, and rugby :P There only so many hours in a day :)

[James Deuce]

nah, I find it a bit boring, and I have to fight the missus and the kids for access to TV's etc - sport watching time is precious, so IoM, MotoGP, Cycling, and rugby :P There only so many hours in a day :)

Hamilton is not all that. The Mercedes is not up with the Ferraris and Redbulls at all and the only thing they are better at is race strategy. They finish higher than they should and generally Hamilton is being out qualified and out raced by his much younger team mate.

[iYRe]

Hamilton is not all that. The Mercedes is not up with the Ferraris and Redbulls at all and the only thing they are better at is race strategy. They finish higher than they should and generally Hamilton is being out qualified and out raced by his much younger team mate.

Yeah, I think that makes the point doesnt it? Its the faster car, not necessarily the driver? When Mercedes was the fastest a few years ago, take out Hamilton and put in one of the other drivers and chances are they'd win, because its more car than driver, where MotoGP its more the rider than the bike. Say, 80/20 to the car in F1, and 60/40 the bike in MotoGP. The bike still makes a difference, but someone like MM who can put it over the limit and hold it, or save those low sides, etc, those are the differences that win GP's (and also cause misjudgments which cause injuries as well.. right?)

[James Deuce]

Yeah, I think that makes the point doesnt it? Its the faster car, not necessarily the driver? When Mercedes was the fastest a few years ago, take out Hamilton and put in one of the other drivers and chances are they'd win, because its more car than driver, where MotoGP its more the rider than the bike. Say, 80/20 to the car in F1, and 60/40 the bike in MotoGP. The bike still makes a difference, but someone like MM who can put it over the limit and hold it, or save those low sides, etc, those are the differences that win GP's (and also cause misjudgments which cause injuries as well.. right?)

No, it doesn't make the point. Hamilton should be a LOT faster than Russell, if that was the point, experience and team favouritism should work in his favour. Instead he's not winning every week so his head is a little bit done in. MM was always going to ruin his career via injury. He got away with it for a long time. His riding style is aberrant and relied on vastly superior reaction times which do decline with age.

[iYRe]

No, it doesn't make the point. Hamilton should be a LOT faster than Russell, if that was the point, experience and team favouritism should work in his favour. Instead he's not winning every week so his head is a little bit done in. MM was always going to ruin his career via injury. He got away with it for a long time. His riding style is aberrant and relied on vastly superior reaction times which do decline with age.

That's not what Huewen was saying, he was saying Russell in the fastest car will be more likely to win than Hamilton in a slower car, Hamilton _should_ be the faster/better driver, but its not about the driver, its about the car.

Anyway.. back to MotoGP, apparently Toprak isnt too keen on MotoGP:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5lZYBlOATI

[Autech]

I think Toprak doesn't really have a factory spot available, so he's just saying that.
If one of the factory teams (which we now have 1 less of) decided to take a punt he'd for sure take it. But why risk it? He's 25 years old and will no doubt need at least a few seasons to learn how to ride a stiff prototype bike putting him at age 27-28, by which time they could have put a young maniac on the bike from the millions waiting for it in moto2 and moto3, probably for a lot let money...

He'll stay in WSBK, it's not like he's up against slower riders there anyways, Rea is the equal of many a GP rider and Bautista we already know could run with the big boys.

[James Deuce]

That's not what Huewen was saying, he was saying Russell in the fastest car will be more likely to win than Hamilton in a slower car, Hamilton _should_ be the faster/better driver, but its not about the driver, its about the car.



Yeah and I don't agree with him.

[iYRe]

I dont know why more of them dont do that. Imagine if MM went to WSBK - hehe.

[Autech]

I dont know why more of them dont do that. Imagine if MM went to WSBK - hehe.

I was thinking bout the other Marquez the other day actually (and how he should get his arse off that seat lol), Alex. Imagine him going to WSBK and winning the title the same year as MM winning another motogp title (which I hope he's capable of doing again one day).

Now that would be something.

Also, you lot talking F1, I damn near fell asleep reading about it :D

[iYRe]

I was thinking bout the other Marquez the other day actually (and how he should get his arse off that seat lol), Alex. Imagine him going to WSBK and winning the title the same year as MM winning another motogp title (which I hope he's capable of doing again one day).

Now that would be something.

Also, you lot talking F1, I damn near fell asleep reading about it :D


haha, yeah that would be amazing.

And yep, I dont watch F1 personally for that reason.. It was Keith Huewens comment not mine :P

[Reckless]

Damn Damn good Idea!!

Here you go boys get stuck in
(if you can find a link)

Fan Survey

https://www.motogp.com/en/news/2022/06/16/dorna-motorsport-network-launch-global-motogp-fan-survey/425190?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=Social&utm_content=DornaMotorsportNetworklaunchglobalMoto GPFanSurvey&utm_campaign=Traffic&fbclid=IwAR1I8t0cnT0x7DMMFXSXYfBfR5yvwAOUrAwJYEZPI AiMOBC5u5h_2u0yQ5w

https://www.motogp.com/en/video_update/2022/06/16/have-your-voice-heard-in-motogp/425194

[iYRe]

Damn Damn good Idea!!

Here you go boys get stuck in
(if you can find a link)

Fan Survey

https://www.motogp.com/en/news/2022/06/16/dorna-motorsport-network-launch-global-motogp-fan-survey/425190?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=Social&utm_content=DornaMotorsportNetworklaunchglobalMoto GPFanSurvey&utm_campaign=Traffic&fbclid=IwAR1I8t0cnT0x7DMMFXSXYfBfR5yvwAOUrAwJYEZPI AiMOBC5u5h_2u0yQ5w

https://www.motogp.com/en/video_update/2022/06/16/have-your-voice-heard-in-motogp/425194

Survey done

[roogazza]

Just watched the Mugello race ! #20 Fabio Q and the Yam brilliant....

Sad for me to see the lack of crowds, down about 50 % !! Haven't been for 4 years and can't ever see me going again.... But they were wonderful years and I spent a shed load of money doing it...
Lots of memories...
Catalunya next Sunday for me on Ch 3.
Still backing #20 for a second Title .

Ezpeleta warns that Italy will hold two GP's only if they attract crowds.
The deserted hills of Mugello left an indelible mark on the Italian Grand Prix, the first without the horde of fans accustomed to cheering on Valentino Rossi. MotoGP promoter Carmelo Ezpeleta has not been indifferent and sent a warning to the organizers of the Italian Grand Prix.
Ezpeleta warns that Italy will host two GP's only if they attract crowds.
Carmelo Ezpeleta has said Italy's presence on the calendar will be evaluated after the Misano round in September, as last month's race at Mugello did not have the usual success. Italy is one of only two countries to host more than one Grand Prix in what has become a particularly tight calendar, and the promoter wants this to be justified by a strong audience turnout, or it risks opening the championship at new nations.
"This year we haven’t had any failures, apart from Mugello, which was the only one." Others are not failures. Well Mugello and Portimão The others were perfect," he told Motorcycling. He is the boss of Dorna, who has been promoting MotoGP for 30 years. "If you look at it, Qatar was the same [public] as ever; Indonesia was full, everybody who wanted to come was there; Argentina was full; in the United States there were more people than last time."
“It didn’t go well in Portimão”, he continued. "It was a promotion issue. They also said that [the Grand Prix] was too close to Jerez, and maybe it was. If there are mistakes, we need to recognize them and correct them for the following year. Jerez did just fine. [...]. ] Because taxes have been reduced to 70%, that is about 7,000 people fewer, and this is really the difference between Jerez 2019 and Jerez 2022. [...]. ]Then we went to France, and it was a total success. When there wasn’t Quartararo or Zarco, [this Grand Prix] was already a success, not as much as it is now, but it was a success. It was a good promotion.
After the record-setting French Grand Prix, with 225,000 spectators on the entire weekend and 110,003 on Sunday, the move to Italy has been a cold shower. Only 43,661 spectators showed up on race day, out of a total of 74,078 over the three days. According to the promoter, the coincidence of the date with the F1 Monaco Grand Prix, a much-awaited stop, especially from fans eager to cheer on a title-fight Ferrari, can partly explain the poor public interest for The motorcycle event in Tuscany.
"Mugello was bad," he admitted. For various reasons, some of which are them and some are ours. The Formula One calendar has changed and [Italian Grand Prix] has coincided with Monaco, and in Italy everything Ferrari is important. This is a mistake. Secondly, I feel that promotion work was poor. We've already talked about this.
I think there is a solution, and we have to work on our part to find a date that doesn't coincide with Formula 1". But there's no reason why the championship should come to Italy with Aprilia and Ducati leading and Italians winning, and less people. This just don't make no sense.
We are getting a lot of requests to host the Grand Prix," the Spanish official warned. Even if there is talk of doing two Grand Prixs in Italy [in the future], if they are not successful we won’t do two. We make two in Italy because both have been successful, influencing the presence of many Italian teams in the paddock..... But there has to be an audience. I’m not going to alternate a Spanish Grand Prix, which always or almost fills up, to an Italian Grand Prix that doesn’t.” And he added a warning: "If I could do 26 Grand Prixs, I would have countries to organize them.
An irreplaceable hero?
The other reason everyone is thinking, of course, is Valentino Rossi's absence. This first Grand Prix played on Italian soil since #46's retirement has undeniably felt this change, lived as a deep upset by fans after two decades of following the Tavullia star. Other Italians are winning, both drivers and teams, but is it possible to find a profile that is equally capable of generating passion?
"We'll see in Misano," said Carmelo Ezpeleta when asked if Valentino Rossi's absence was a factor, "because there's been little promotion at Mugello." We carried #46 Saturday and the people who showed up showed up. Honestly, I think people have moved on"
· ·

[Autech]

Hmmm... Anyone else starting to question who Ducati are putting their faith in?

Sent from my SM-G991B using Tapatalk

[Reckless]

Wow A Simply stunning ride.
Some might call it boring but the skill and dominance must be respected.

Great to see our Jack there
Pecco blew it.
Looks like MV might be coming on now. Sad end for him.
Aleix or The Aprilia isn't quite there.
Great scraps we didnt get to see much of further down the field.

Good race they looked really stuffed at the end.

[roogazza]

Sachsenring: New 2022 MotoGP World Championship standings

:corn::corn::laugh::msn-wink::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:

[iYRe]

Good race they looked really stuffed at the end.

Apparently the aero pushes all the heat up into the riders.. that probably doesnt help

[BMWST?]

Zarco looked absolutely finished

[Reckless]

Tyres again
This explains a lot for Aleix

[The same thing] happened to more than seven riders on Friday. Also to Mir in qualifying.

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1006062/1/aleix-i-knew-when-i-left-grid-vinales-all-sudden-boom

I also like his honesty top bloke imho
The mistake on the brakes is my fault [not the front tyre] because I had this [tyre] problem from the grid and I did that corner 28 times before making the mistake,” Espargaro said.

Secondly
Two riders had to pull in because of ride height malfunction Marquez and Maverick.

Ban the bloody ride height and the wings you will never see these on a road bike (what I put in my MotoGP survey)
They are cooking the tyres sucking the rider variation out therefore passing and fucking up the sport.:devil2:

[F5 Dave]

Look, I'll put a word in and get those ride height devices banned ok?

The aero is a bit more complex I suspect. .maybe if they regulated it could only be 80mm from main fairing there would be enough anti wheelie to make them rideable but much less of an issue. As I type this my head is already devising how to bend those words for internal ducting. . .

[pritch]

I do find the irony in the fact that they dumbed the electronics down to cut costs, so the engineers found another area to spend even more money than they ever did on their own electronics.


There is an interesting field of study called the unintended consequences of management decisions. That could be an example.

Another could be when Honda were introducing their dual clutch systems in road bikes. Dual clutches were promptly banned in Moto GP to avoid unnecessary expense. So the Honda engineers came up with their vastly more expensive seamless gear boxes. These were so successful that now presumably everybody has to have one.

[mulletman]

Bit more gossip

https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/alex-marquez-will-leave-lcr-honda-for-2023-motogp-season/10327329/

[iYRe]

Bit more gossip

https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/alex-marquez-will-leave-lcr-honda-for-2023-motogp-season/10327329/


I dunno, but it seems like a good move.. just because his brother can wrangle the honda doesnt mean Alex can.. he is capable of podiums...

[onearmedbandit]

https://youtu.be/dPkCDenpoGw

Wayne on the YZR500 at Goodwood.

[iYRe]

https://youtu.be/dPkCDenpoGw

Wayne on the YZR500 at Goodwood.


wow, thats magic

[mulletman]

https://youtu.be/dPkCDenpoGw

Wayne on the YZR500 at Goodwood.

And who's his wingman...Kenny Roberts !

[mulletman]

I dunno, but it seems like a good move.. just because his brother can wrangle the honda doesnt mean Alex can.. he is capable of podiums...

Seems Alex has Beer $ to bring along

https://www.motorcyclesports.net/articles/alex-marquez-waves-with-one-million-euros-to-gresini-and-rnf

[iYRe]

Seems Alex has Beer $ to bring along

https://www.motorcyclesports.net/articles/alex-marquez-waves-with-one-million-euros-to-gresini-and-rnf

well that's handy...

[roogazza]

well that's handy...

I used to enjoy the walk back the Hotel in Ronta after Mugello meets .Thats how I met Lucio Ceccinello.
He stopped his car and offered a lift ,then came round to the Hotel next morning to pick me up...I actually liked the walking but hey ?
I went to a great after party with his team one year with the Playboy Bunnies !! Randy De Pun e was his rider then.... Oh those Bunnies !!!!! :lol::wacko::rolleyes::rolleyes::clap: lol I was a younger man then !

[iYRe]

I used to enjoy the walk back the Hotel in Ronta after Mugello meets .Thats how I met Lucio Ceccinello.
He stopped his car and offered a lift ,then came round to the Hotel next morning to pick me up...I actually liked the walking but hey ?
I went to a great after party with his team one year with the Playboy Bunnies !! Randy De Pun e was his rider then.... Oh those Bunnies !!!!! :lol::wacko::rolleyes::rolleyes::clap: lol I was a younger man then !

that sounds like every mans dream lol

[pritch]

Gruesome...

[BMWST?]

I have spark sport and watched the qualifying sessions this morning.just a couple of observations. MV seems to have finally got rid of some demons and is starting to go fast and be happy. Both KTMs went from Q2 through to Q1,so they seem to have found something,and Jacks seems to have come to grips with 2022 Ducati.Could be an intersting race.And Kudo to Alex Rins who is going very fast with a broken wrist. Some other things of note too but thats enough from me

[jato]

Assen! where's my time machine...(watched schwantz etc there back a few years) might have to stay up for this one. Jack has another long lap penalty, grrr. the next few races will reveal if anyone can derail Fabio's march to another champioship.

[onearmedbandit]

Wow what a race. Outstanding comeback from AE, incredible ride from Marco, Peco doing his thing again and Maverick takes 3rd!! I'm sure someone here reckoned he wouldn't get any higher than the 6th or something he got earlier this year, guess ya just never know huh....

And Fabio, 2 in one race? Unheard of. For him.

[James Deuce]

Wow what a race. Outstanding comeback from AE, incredible ride from Marco, Peco doing his thing again and Maverick takes 3rd!! I'm sure someone here reckoned he wouldn't get any higher than the 6th or something he got earlier this year, guess ya just never know huh....

And Fabio, 2 in one race? Unheard of.

Peco did enough to brighten the mood in the garage. He needs to do that 9 more times to have even the slightest hope of the championship. Mav is always good at Assen. It's an outlier. He'll be back to 14th after the break. He always does this and people always react the same way. Oooo, loook! He's amazing! Forgetting about him being utterly thrashed by his team mate at every other track. AE arguably pwned him. Fabio should never have been sent back out, he knew the bike was broken but the team didn't listen.

[onearmedbandit]

Mav is always good at Assen. It's an outlier. He'll be back to 14th after the break. He always does this and people always react the same way. Oooo, loook! He's amazing! Forgetting about him being utterly thrashed by his team mate at every other track. AE arguably pwned him.

Come on dude, don't let the hate consume you and stop you from admitting you were wrong. If it was so clear that MV would do well at Assen you wouldn't have said -


That will be Vinales' best showing of the year. He will go back to finishing 8-13 places behind Aleix when they hit Europe.

None of us are right all the time, it's ok to admit you were wrong. You could try it with this one too -




This will be Miller's last year anywhere near a factory bike.

Ah I'm just fucking with ya for fun though. It's fun to realise we don't know it all though isn't it?

[iYRe]

And they said MotoGP was boring these days..

[iYRe]

Also.. Mir and Rins almost certainly Honda now (factory and LCR)

[James Deuce]

A Factory KTM for Miller? He'd be better off with a Honda Grom.

[James Deuce]

Also.. Mir and Rins almost certainly Honda now (factory and LCR)

Until he crashes the fuck out of himself and retires.

[onearmedbandit]

A Factory KTM for Miller? He'd be better off with a Honda Grom.

People used to say the same about the Aprilia too mate. But you're still wrong :wari:

[Autech]

Now that was a fucking race. As was Moto2, I'll refrain from talking about Moto2 for a few days in case some still need to catch up.

Fabio came from many moons back from that one, huge shame for Aleix not to have had the chance to win there, but awesome to see him carve up the field. Assen is a real riders track so you always get a good race there, not as mad as when the tyres were extra shit and they were being controlled by Dovi for pace but still an awesome race. So many good rides through out but when you think of Assen you think Yamaha, and they got zero points... That's the state of them right now it seems, maybe Maverick was on to something when he jumped ship?

Maverick will podium at Silverstone I think, Fabio is up for a shit race there so hopefully Aleix can claw back a few more points, time will tell.

5 weeks off :(

[Reckless]

Got up 6am to watch.

Anyone that doubted Aleix he certainly shut them up with that race.
That last corner move was awesome.
I just hope the difference isn't 9 points or under that would be hard for him to take.
I also think he has a lot to do with MV's success and the ethos in the team.

A costly error from Fabio plus a penalty for the next race.
Why the heck he went back out just to crash again I cant understand.
You should see the conspiracy theories on social media


Yep Autech 5 weeks yes far far to long.
Thanks mate Moto 2 tonight.

[roogazza]

ahhhh woke up to the results.
#20 a bad day and probably the British GP fucked up for him, after the break?
Dovis' great isn't he ? most of the new bunch make him look average, retire for 2023 for my bet ?

But as I'm one race behind,I loved the Sachenring result.
My Fav Yamaha showing what he can do when he's clear of the others.
(My fav cos Vale has gone ! :(:cry::bye: ).
There are still races where he can win his second World Title .

[BMWST?]

Got up 6am to watch.

Anyone that doubted Aleix he certainly shut them up with that race.
That last corner move was awesome.
I just hope the difference isn't 9 points or under that would be hard for him to take.
I also think he has a lot to do with MV's success and the ethos in the team.

A costly error from Fabio plus a penalty for the next race.
Why the heck he went back out just to crash again I cant understand.
You should see the conspiracy theories on social media


Yep Autech 5 weeks yes far far to long.
Thanks mate Moto 2 tonight.
I cant understaand why he went out again.It looked as though he came in to ask if he should keep going..didnt take much persuading to go out again. He could so easily have hurt himself in that second crash!

[steveyb]

I notice none of you trainspotters have commented on Jakes, umm, outburst (?) up in the podium ante-room after the race, to Augusto about another rider (I'll leave it up to you to find out who).
It may have gone unnoticed by the team as it was a little indistinct and in English, but I am sure someone will point it out to them.
Not really the thing to say in that space.
I wonder if he even knows whether Augusto is mates with him or not. I've no idea, but they are both Spanish, so who knows?
A race team is a very small place to go saying things like that, in front of a global audience.
I wonder if he had his arse kicked by the team?
TBF, I didn't notice the incident he was talking about.

Anyway, roll on Jerez this weekend for JuniorGP.
Cormac Racing in ETC.
Races are live on the JuniorGP YouTube channel. One on Sat (Sunday morning) one on Sunday (Monday morning NZT).

[iYRe]

I cant understaand why he went out again.It looked as though he came in to ask if he should keep going..didnt take much persuading to go out again. He could so easily have hurt himself in that second crash!

He was fiddling with his clutch lever, and to me it looked like he got them to quickly check it was ok and maybe to tell them he was ok and thought he could continue?

I'm guessing he was trying to make sure he would lose as few points as possible.

[Reckless]

Fabio said in an interview that what happened was he came in to quit but the team sent him back out because they thought it might rain and give him a chance to catch up some points.

[roogazza]

Summer break is like 5 wks ? !!! long wait for the fans too.... :weep: :yawn:

Haven't ridden myself for 6 wks ! bit grumpy, too wet or too cold lately !!!

[F5 Dave]

Friday and Sunday were good riding days down here?

Fabulous said in another interview (or was it in my head when he speaks to me?) - that he felt really bad about the first crash, but to prove he was really contrite he needed to throw himself at the ground a 2nd time, but harder.

Atonement achieved, normal service will continue.

Aleix rode like Vale of old through the field. Am I allowed to say that?

[iYRe]

Summer break is like 5 wks ? !!! long wait for the fans too.... :weep: :yawn:

Haven't ridden myself for 6 wks ! bit grumpy, too wet or too cold lately !!!

Me either... or well, I rode 3km from old rental to new house 2 weeks ago.. then tore the ligaments in my knee and forearms moving house - so no riding for me for 6 weeks.

[roogazza]

Me either... or well, I rode 3km from old rental to new house 2 weeks ago.. then tore the ligaments in my knee and forearms moving house - so no riding for me for 6 weeks.

Oh bugger mate know how ya feel. I've been nursing my right leg, (which has been fucked for years) Heeps of squash, ran marathons (2),but lots of running !
The doc went down the track,oh you need a replacement !!!?? (27 grand !!!) I knew it was the same old knee,but I had a "bakers syst" or some such and walking funny, I had stretched the Calf and achillies !
Anyway I was correct and the thing is coming right with Profens and stretching etc etc...
Riding was the main concern lol.
Thank you doctor google !!!!!!! lol. :woohoo:

[mulletman]

I notice none of you trainspotters have commented on Jakes, umm, outburst (?) up in the podium ante-room after the race, to Augusto about another rider (I'll leave it up to you to find out who).
It may have gone unnoticed by the team as it was a little indistinct and in English, but I am sure someone will point it out to them.
Not really the thing to say in that space.
I wonder if he even knows whether Augusto is mates with him or not. I've no idea, but they are both Spanish, so who knows?
A race team is a very small place to go saying things like that, in front of a global audience.
I wonder if he had his arse kicked by the team?
TBF, I didn't notice the incident he was talking about.

Anyway, roll on Jerez this weekend for JuniorGP.
Cormac Racing in ETC.
Races are live on the JuniorGP YouTube channel. One on Sat (Sunday morning) one on Sunday (Monday morning NZT).

Goes back and watched the race which was darn good.

Ai's 2nd placing after his wobbles early on dropping back to 16th was awesome.

Jakes comment 'we dont get on he's a c...t' Id imagine an arse kicking from the boss was had.

[roogazza]

Goes back and watched the race which was darn good.

Jakes comment 'we dont get on he's a c...t' Id imagine an arse kicking from the boss was had.

I got a warning on a faceache site recently.
Offering the opinion that Sam Lowes was a Pom and falls down often !!!
They called it hate speech FFS !
Must admit I don't follow Moto2 much at all this year. (or Moto3 for that matter, tho root for Foggia).

[sugilite]

I think this was reported on an earlier motogp thread, but good to read he was acquitted on all charges. Horrible for the guy he had to endure the allegations.
https://www.superbikeplanet.com/mladin-acquitted-on-all-charges-has-retained-us-counsel/

[roogazza]

I think this was reported on an earlier motogp thread, but good to read he was acquitted on all charges. Horrible for the guy he had to endure the allegations.
https://www.superbikeplanet.com/mladin-acquitted-on-all-charges-has-retained-us-counsel/

Yeah Sug , just reading all that !!!! two years its been going on.

[F5 Dave]

Kinda think it is good to get the championship closer to make it more exciting.

But Matt is right. Be consistent.

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/the-inconsistency-with-which-penalties-are-applied-by-stewards-damages-the-fairness-of-motogp

[steveyb]

Has anyone any pics of these so called extended handlebar grips the FIM have made a bit of a fuss about with the new rule in Moto3? Interested to see what they are on about.

[mulletman]

Has anyone any pics of these so called extended handlebar grips the FIM have made a bit of a fuss about with the new rule in Moto3? Interested to see what they are on about.


Nope none to be found ?

[pritch]

Has anyone any pics of these so called extended handlebar grips the FIM have made a bit of a fuss about with the new rule in Moto3? Interested to see what they are on about.

The only pic I could see was an orthopaedic grip made for MM 93 when he had broken fingers. They called that an extended grip. I've not seen them for motorbikes but similar are sold for pushbikes. If that's not what they're on about I've no idea.

[onearmedbandit]

It seems they are suggesting the teams are using longer than normal grips so the riders can move their hands/arms further inwards improving aero.

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1007353/1/moto2-moto3-rule-changes-extended-handlebar-grips-holeshot-devices-testing

They do look quite long in that pic.

[pritch]

It seems they are suggesting the riders are using longer than normal grips so the riders can move their hands/arms further inwards improving aero.

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1007353/1/moto2-moto3-rule-changes-extended-handlebar-grips-holeshot-devices-testing

They do look quite long in that pic.

That new rule is very clear. Just for once. We now await the arrival of extended grips in Moto GP?

[Reckless]

I saw a tech talk by Simon Crafar.
He said an area the size if a tin can bottom exposed on a motoGP bike is a 1 HP loss.
Seemed unbelievable but it made me tuck in a damn site tighter.

[F5 Dave]

It's one of those square of (speed in this case) things and their speed is a big number.

Didn't stop me trying to blend under the paintwork on my 50.

[jato]

when i bought my first TZ250 i used to often enter the 350 races as well as the 250 ones ... with desparado braking and pitching it in you could occasionally pick up 10 or 20 dollars for tenth or some such place. part way through the season one of the better 350 riders hurt his leg and so he couldn't tuck it in very well - the 250 suddenly needed slightly higher gearing as now i could stay with him on the straights. It sucked when he pooed a crank though and i was hung out to dry with my 35T sprocket...

[steveyb]

Some of you may have seen already, but to let you know, Cormac Buchanan will be racing the AGR Team KTM Moto3 bike this weekend in the Junior GP Moto3 category. He will be the first Kiwi to ever compete in this category and it represents a promotion from his ETC duties. This is the next step to the world champs. It is not known at this stage if this will be in place for the remainder of the season, but we hope so. However, it comes at a price that it was neither anticipated nor budgeted for, sooo, if you feel you can help out financially, please reach out via the Cormac Racing FB or Insta pages and donate until it hurts. Thanks heaps.

[roogazza]

It comes as no great surprise, but Andrea Dovizioso has ruled out continuing in MotoGP for the 2023 season.

I thought he'd go when he lost his Doocati ride.
(another years pay may have been the decider )? :yawn:

[F5 Dave]

Send him to soouberbikes where he'll smash them all.

[Grumph]

I'm pleased to see the minimum age going up. Some level of maturity insofar as behaviour on and off track would be nice to see. Also, injuries - specifically long concussions - are not something I like to see very young riders exposed to. Not good at any age - but when it's a teenager it reflects badly on the sport.

[F5 Dave]

Yeah, make it 45 or something with a break in the middle for a breather.;)

[Reckless]

Rins to LCR

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1008031/1/breaking-news-alex-rins-joins-lcr-honda-2023-2024-motogp-seasons

[iYRe]

Rins to LCR

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1008031/1/breaking-news-alex-rins-joins-lcr-honda-2023-2024-motogp-seasons

Yeah, they said Honda took both Rins and Mir in the pod cast

[mulletman]

Sylvain gets a nice parting gift from Suzuki !

https://www.bikesportnews.com/news/news-detail/guintoli-gifted-hayabusa-as-suzuki-thank-you

[F5 Dave]

You've been racing bikes all your life. Here's some old touring barge. Be grateful.

[BMWST?]

You've been racing bikes all your life. Here's some old touring barge. Be grateful.

Some of those barges may feel razor sharo compared to the older Desmosedici s

[iYRe]

Sylvain gets a nice parting gift from Suzuki !

https://www.bikesportnews.com/news/news-detail/guintoli-gifted-hayabusa-as-suzuki-thank-you

How long till he puts some aftermarket cans on it?
heh

[Autech]

Fucking lets go! Race weekend!

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[george formby]

Fucking lets go! Race weekend!

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I just checked the weather forecast, looks very unusual for the UK. :sunny:

[Autech]

I just checked the weather forecast, looks very unusual for the UK. :sunny:

FUCKING LETS GO! Perfect weather for an Asparagus domination. I have a feeling its going to suit the Aprilia to the ground this year, bring it on.

[F5 Dave]

Nah nah. Dovi's got some new tank decals and is running the New variable dimension tyre valve caps. You'll see the biggest comeback since Jesus!
(also riding a Yamaha for the Popular People's front of Judah team, back, well ages ago) .

[Reckless]

FUCKING LETS GO! Perfect weather for an Asparagus domination. I have a feeling its going to suit the Aprilia to the ground this year, bring it on.

That very much look like a prediction :eek: you reckon FQ is going to drop the ball or get beaten outright :chase:

[iYRe]

That very much look like a prediction :eek: you reckon FQ is going to drop the ball or get beaten outright :chase:

FQ has a long lap penalty to do in the race, from the last race. If he can get it done early he might have a chance, or ig he can get a big lead from the get go, he might have a chance. But most people think AE is going to win regardless.

[Reckless]

Dovi is chucking it in sick of :brick:
3 races to go.

https://www.motogp.com/en/news/2022/08/04/andrea-dovizioso-to-retire-after-the-san-marino-gp/429649?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=Social&utm_content=AndreaDoviziosotoretireaftertheSanMari noGP&utm_campaign=Traffic&fbclid=IwAR2Y3y0PveWatAoiVOScGpErxYbLxEE21JYU4epg1 ZrlXF22oBq6vC67gn8

[iYRe]

Dovi is chucking it in sick of :brick:
3 races to go.

https://www.motogp.com/en/news/2022/08/04/andrea-dovizioso-to-retire-after-the-san-marino-gp/429649?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=Social&utm_content=AndreaDoviziosotoretireaftertheSanMari noGP&utm_campaign=Traffic&fbclid=IwAR2Y3y0PveWatAoiVOScGpErxYbLxEE21JYU4epg1 ZrlXF22oBq6vC67gn8

Inevitable one might say..

[F5 Dave]

Golly I better watch my tongue in cheek predictions. People said he would miss the Dooklattery power, but he would have likely been the unassailable triple champion if not in shadow of MM.

[Autech]

Golly I better watch my tongue in cheek predictions. People said he would miss the Dooklattery power, but he would have likely been the unassailable triple champion if not in shadow of MM.MM would not have been champion so many times if Ducati had kept JL or signed one of the other aliens earlier.

People give Dovi credit for building a bike that Gigi's hands are all over...

So I tend to not say he would have been champion, rather others would have been champion given that ride. IMO etc etc

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[F5 Dave]

So what other Ducati riders were challenging him? You don't get that many podiums by just being on a fast bike. But no one was beating MM even if he swapped to Zundaap. It seems like a long time ago, but he was top of the heap in a boring Mick Doohan dominating way.

[iYRe]

This was interesting, I cant find a non facebook link. Questions to motoGp riders from british talent cup kids

https://fb.watch/eIBIVGKPeK/

"Marc, because when you think you have done everything perfectly, he's right there..."

[pritch]

Nah nah. Dovi's got some new tank decals and is running the New variable dimension tyre valve caps. You'll see the biggest comeback since Jesus!
(also riding a Yamaha for the Popular People's front of Judah team, back, well ages ago) .

Umm Dovi's bike will be ridden by Crutchlow.

An in unrelated news, Bastiannini's bike has sprouted wings on the arse end.

[mulletman]

Simon gets to ride some special Dukes at WDW

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76HbFI7nA-g&t=1s

[mulletman]

New type of wings from Gigi

[iYRe]

Simon gets to ride some special Dukes at WDW

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76HbFI7nA-g&t=1s

The dude has balls the size of basketballs. Even the first bike would have terrified me, and i've been riding a zx-14 for the last year or so (to be fair, the 14 terrified me :P)
What a great thing though, lucky bugger.

[Autech]

So what other Ducati riders were challenging him? You don't get that many podiums by just being on a fast bike. But no one was beating MM even if he swapped to Zundaap. It seems like a long time ago, but he was top of the heap in a boring Mick Doohan dominating way.Not saying he wasn't good and undeserving of his ride, but that Ducati was the best bike ahead of the Honda for a fair few years, we only saw its true potential when JL jumped on it and made it turn corners.
Ie if Ducati had given another decent rider a chance earlier (or kept JL) I don't think MM would have got all of the titles.


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[BMWST?]

MM would not have been champion so many times if Ducati had kept JL or signed one of the other aliens earlier.

People give Dovi credit for building a bike that Gigi's hands are all over...

So I tend to not say he would have been champion, rather others would have been champion given that ride. IMO etc etc

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all that may be so but your reflections are no more valid than F5 Daves.The numbers say that dovi could have been champ if it were not for MM

[mulletman]

Aleix had a spectacular highside bin in FP4 nothing broken but his ankles took a hammering, did an amazing job in Q1 awesome !

Big surprise to me was the Suzukis were no where really in Q1

Front row : Zarco
Vinales
Miller

[iYRe]

Aleix had a spectacular highside bin in FP4 nothing broken but his ankles took a hammering, did an amazing job in Q1 awesome !

Big surprise to me was the Suzukis were no where really in Q1

Front row : Zarco
Vinales
Miller

Q2 was epic.. AE breaks lap record even rhough they thought he couldnt race after his crash.. whilst the commentators are saying how this was unthinkable a few years ago (a 1:57 lap) the next 4 riders came through and beat that time.. JZ, FQ, MV and Miller. They all put so much into it that they couldnt do their second laps - according to Crafar they would have stuffed their soft tires in that lap.

Pretty epic, the vid of the last 5 mins is on motogp.com

[pritch]

It was reported that Crutchlow was to ride Dovi's bike, but I see the sad faced puta is pedaling his own machine.

[steveyb]

You will have seen by now, the news is that Dovi will finish at Misano. Crutchlow on the bike after that.

There was a huge amount of discussion around Vinales when he left Yamaha and signed with Aprilia.
I was among those that suggested he would not manage the situation.
But, I am happy to eat my words and to see a rider with a genuine huge smile on his face after great performances, but also after the not so great ones, knowing there is a bigger picture.
Well done Maverick.

[iYRe]

There was a huge amount of discussion around Vinales when he left Yamaha and signed with Aprilia.
I was among those that suggested he would not manage the situation.
But, I am happy to eat my words and to see a rider with a genuine huge smile on his face after great performances, but also after the not so great ones, knowing there is a bigger picture.
Well done Maverick.

I had 2 firsts this weekend.. cheering for an Aussie at the 1500 at the commonwealth games... sheesh what a run that was. And cheering for Mav. If there is one thing I can respect its a man who is trying to overcome his demons.. He may not go as well every race, but I reckon if he can get on the front row or row2 with his late pace, he can win some races. He'll never be MotoGP champ though.

[Reckless]

Good race
Winner on the day was the racing, not often you see so many bikes that close together the whole race :)

My Rider of the day was Aliex he even had a go at FQ on the last lap.

Damn good to have the season underway again.

[george formby]

Watched all 3 classes last night. :banana:

Excellent across the board. Moto 3 is like watching a video game and Moto 2 was full on. I really like those Triumph's. For some reason they remind me of the early 4t MotoGp bikes.

[iYRe]

https://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2022/08/12/must-see-marquez-drops-biggest-hint-yet-on-racing-return/431066

Aiming for the last 2 races...

[mulletman]

https://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2022/08/12/must-see-marquez-drops-biggest-hint-yet-on-racing-return/431066

Aiming for the last 2 races...

Honda are up shit creek if MM doesnt make a full recovery, maybe Takas life line ?

With AlexM and PolE gone at the end of the year it leaves development upto StefanB and a recovered (?) MM

Sure Alex Rins will be there but we all know he has to get his head around the V4 and the rest of Honda first.

[jato]

weather looks ratshit for Austria this weekend. never seems as exciting as a dry race...

[jato]

An interesting read on a wet night... and some informed and entertaining comments too https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/how-motogps-v4s-are-ganging-up-on-quartararo

[Reckless]

Interesting Never seen MM talk so much and so openly.
I like the way he is still calling Rossi the greatest champ (in other interviews) Showing he is above the level of bitching.
His father should be proud and I hope his arm comes out ok.

Pretty sure they are all free to watch as I went Sparksport and no longer have a GP Subscription.

https://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2022/08/18/marquez-honda-s-problem-is-not-the-bike-it-s-the-project/431244?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=21808_FR_MarquezOnHondaProject_en&utm_campaign=traffic

Full interview here worth 20 mins

https://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2022/08/18/marc-marquez-media-scrum-from-austria-in-full/431236

[steveyb]

Well that came a little out of left field.
KTM today announced that the Tech3 team will be GasGas Factory team in 2023 for several years.
Bright red bikes! Nice.
Also announced Pol Espargaro to Tech3 GasGas.
BUT the biggie, Bierer announced that a new offer would be made to Oliviera to stay with KTM/GasGas.
It is now a factory team, so why not stay?
That then opens the door for Gardner and Fernandez to go to RNF Aprilia, or for them to take one and keep Binder.
An Oliviera/Espargaro team would be very strong and could make the bike really work.
Interesting.

[steveyb]

MotoGP to introduce Saturday afternoon Sprint Race, for half points, at all GPs.
Not yet decided if it will count as a Grand Prix.
No changes to engine or tyre allocations.
Riders pretty split about value and interest in such an initiative.

[F5 Dave]

No more than 3 laps, reverse direction with no practice and they have to dress as their favorite superhero.

Sounds like stupid desperate idea to generate more funds through Saturday attendance and alter the course of the championship.

[Grumph]

With no aliens as promotable headline grabbers they're trying to follow F1 to see if that brings crowds back. I'd doubt if it will work as they hope.

But Dave's interpretation of it certainly would bring back the crowds.

[BMWST?]

They claim it will attract more spectators,media interst and TV viewers. Longer fp1 and Fp2 sessions aggregate times will define entries to q1 or q2. Half points. Schedules will always be moto 3 ,moto 2 and moto gp. Moto 2 and moto 3 will also have the sprint races Moto gp at 3pm.Will mean more media duties for the riders i reckon so more work for the riders

[george formby]

With no aliens as promotable headline grabbers they're trying to follow F1 to see if that brings crowds back. I'd doubt if it will work as they hope.

But Dave's interpretation of it certainly would bring back the crowds.

It cost 90 quid to get into Silverstone on race day. A number of regular spectators decided to stay home and watch it on the telly according to posts from a British bike forum I lurk in.

I would baulk at the thick end of $200 entry fee, too.

[Grumph]

It cost 90 quid to get into Silverstone on race day. A number of regular spectators decided to stay home and watch it on the telly according to posts from a British bike forum I lurk in.

I would baulk at the thick end of $200 entry fee, too.

Ha - that brought back memories. Across 2 or 3 people and for the full 3 days, it was cheaper to enter for the support races than pay admission at the Manfield WSB rounds. Can't remember the figures - Spyda ? - but if you were coming from the SI I think there was even a ferry discount arranged.

[BMWST?]

It cost 90 quid to get into Silverstone on race day. A number of regular spectators decided to stay home and watch it on the telly according to posts from a British bike forum I lurk in.

I would baulk at the thick end of $200 entry fee, too.

if you knew you would see two races would that chnage your mind? I think they trying to encourage people to do the whole three days instead of just sunday.

[iYRe]

It cost 90 quid to get into Silverstone on race day. A number of regular spectators decided to stay home and watch it on the telly according to posts from a British bike forum I lurk in.

I would baulk at the thick end of $200 entry fee, too.

According to Crash.net it wasnt just the cost of the ticket, but parking and food and stuff were exorbitant too.

Classic words from mr Millar at the end of the race today: "I was lucky not to get caught up with Martin at the end there, I braked deep.. I dont know where he was planning on going, but uh, he ended up somewhere that's for certain"

[Autech]

Sprint races seem a little bit desperate tbh. Its not WSBK, its motogp and by adding an extra race all they will be doing is taking away from the main event rather than adding to it imo.

At the very least they should do it at select rounds not every single race, its too hard on the riders. To expect them to throw it all down for qualifying on Saturday then throw it all down not long after in a sprint race. Silly.

Its pretty obvious what they need to do to me:

They need to ditch some Ducatis from the grid, its embarrassing that they fill so many seats when there are other competitive options out there.
They need the Yamaha to be a better bike so Fabio can do battle properly with the top dukes
And
They need to realise its a cock sucking economic crisis and that this is how things will be for a few years.

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[Autech]

Now onto the race:

Fabio - maniac on the brakes. Awesome move on Miller, I did wonder if that was possible when I saw the layout of the corner so grateful for Fabs for showing us it can be done

Peco - on form, look out

Miller - loving life right now, newly married and enjoying himself, I won't be surprised if he decides to call it quits in a few years to enjoy his millions.

Martin - he who tries to outbrake Miller on the same machine shall fail badly

The beast - deserves the factory red next year, I doubt Peco would have won if his rim wasn't broken.

Aleix - riding like a championship contender, would have been more in the mix if he could have locked his start device in, Aprilia still needing a strong point to exploit in a battle though.

Moto2, at its peak again.

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[iYRe]

Aleix - riding like a championship contender, would have been more in the mix if he could have locked his start device in, Aprilia still needing a strong point to exploit in a battle though.



Looks promising for Aprilia, its their second worst track, and even MV was right on Aleix's ass most of the time.

If they can make that Yamaha faster, and not lose its other characteristics, FQ is pretty much unbeatable.. only possibly by MM if they can get the Honda working and he is back to normal(ish)

[Autech]

Looks promising for Aprilia, its their second worst track, and even MV was right on Aleix's ass most of the time.

If they can make that Yamaha faster, and not lose its other characteristics, FQ is pretty much unbeatable.. only possibly by MM if they can get the Honda working and he is back to normal(ish)You're 100% right there, a faster bike and he'd be goneskis.

I think Fabio has MMs measure TBH, maybe at his peak but its not lost on me that all this started because he was trying to psych out Fabio.

Fabio is the next evolution of Alien, he can find the very limit of grip without falling off.

MM would find the limit by falling off.

This is until Acosta turns up and smokes them all anyways. Excited to see 2 awesome riders like Mir and Rins on the Honda next year, we'll see how bad that Honda actually is.

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[iYRe]

Yeah, I am beginning to think FQ might be the new Alien... but I think MM is capable of going just past that limit and still managing to keep the bike up which means he can squeak out that extra metre. He can only find that out by going over the limit though, which is what makes him the Alien, I guess (at least, thats how I see it). He's aware he is going over the limit, and having gone past it, he knows the feeling and can act; rather than go "oh I am crashing hold on".. he he goes, oh this is going down, fire countermeasures now..

It just gives him that fraction more.. But then, remember when he waited patiently and then just pounced and then gapped people? Or did an FQ and got in front and went 4 seconds ahead and just stayed there?

You're right though, FQ is willing to throw the bike at something, but I am not sure he can throw it like MM. That last pass on Miller was like something you'd see MM do.. but MM would have been sideways with his front wheel 30cm off the ground :P

[F5 Dave]

. . . Excited to see 2 awesome riders like Mir and Rins on the Honda next year, we'll see how bad that Honda actually is.

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I think Pol has done that already. He was awesome on the KTM.

[F5 Dave]

. .
Martin - he who tries to outbrake Miller on the same machine shall fail badly

. . .

I can see him thinking. . ' Geez that looked beautiful in my mind just before I tried it. ' .

[BMWST?]

the problem is that if you change a bike in some way something else changes.A more powerful Yamaha will be a harder to ride Yamaha IMHO

[iYRe]

the problem is that if you change a bike in some way something else changes.A more powerful Yamaha will be a harder to ride Yamaha IMHO

yeah, that was why I mentioned if they can keep with its current characteristics..

It will be interesting to see how things pan out next year

[Reckless]

It does seem the jap bikes bikes have progressed to some "look brilliant on it" and some "can't do a damn thing" on the same bike.
And some that can't do a damn thing have been top riders in the past like Morbidelli compared to Fabio or MM compared to Pol's struggles for example.
It like if you can't be a different rider then change brand and see if that works or get the boot.

MV has been making a good fist of it but maybe the bikes have got too precise to ride.

Also can't see how the safety side can condone those stegosaurus fins on the tail.
Gonna make somebodies arse crack bigger sooner or later :(


That last Moto2 was the best I have seen from that class last race out.

[Autech]

I think Pol has done that already. He was awesome on the KTM.Yeah he was, but not quite as awesome as Olivera and Binder perhaps, but many of us thought he'd do alright on it.

Shit of Puig to ditch him so quickly too, the mans gone through some riders trying to replace his aliens.

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[Reckless]

Question is how the hell they put him back together last time with the bone 30 Deg out! Surely Surgeons should be better than builders FFS????

https://the-race.com/motogp/marquez-given-green-light-to-return-to-riding-bikes-again/

[iYRe]

Question is how the hell they put him back together last time with the bone 30 Deg out! Surely Surgeons should be better than builders FFS????

https://the-race.com/motogp/marquez-given-green-light-to-return-to-riding-bikes-again/

the 6 million dollar man, lol

[F5 Dave]

The leg bones connected to the knee bone

The knee bones connected to the thigh bone

The thigh bones connected to the elbow bone

The elbow bones connected to the head bone

:headbang:

[pritch]

Question is how the hell they put him back together last time with the bone 30 Deg out! Surely Surgeons should be better than builders FFS????


Umm I don't think that's what happened. After his arm healed he had restricted range of movement. To get the range he wanted, they sawed through the bone and twisted it 30 degrees.

Somewhat similar to Les Paul the guitarist and guitar designer. He was involved in a traffic accident and was advised he would have very limited movement, so he had his arm set in the position he needed to play.

[husaberg]

Question is how the hell they put him back together last time with the bone 30 Deg out! Surely Surgeons should be better than builders FFS????

https://the-race.com/motogp/marquez-given-green-light-to-return-to-riding-bikes-again/

Unfortunately it seems its pretty common..... It seems its hard to tell with no real easy way of making sure with the Humerus.
and its an uncommon break.
I posted something a while back.


About 4 years i snapped my humerus.
As they expected it to heal it was left ages in a hanging cast and not plated until much later.
After they plated it, it was great but it always felt it was rotated 20-30 degrees from where it should have been, as i couldn't go palms down to 180 degrees.
I was told by my surgeon this was from lack of movement and muscle contracture. but doing a bit of reading up now, it seems that misalignment in surgery for the Humerus is very common. (malrotation of over 20 degrees was found in 27.2% in the IMN group (all patients had humeral head internal rotation) and 40.9% in the MIPO group (55.6% of patients had internal rotation and 44.4% had external rotation) https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-98040-6
351616


His one might not be 30 Degrees out but he might be able to ride better with it twisted 30 degree due to what movement he lost

[steveyb]

Breaking news: Bastianini to replace Miller at Ducati Lenovo Team.
Martin and Zarco confirmed at Pramac Ducati Team.

I so hope Gardner gets another go at MotoGP. I think he deserves it.
Oliviera should take up the RNF Aprilia opportunity.

[pritch]

From Crash.net, it seems that Marquez has set a limit.

[F5 Dave]

Still expecting him to bang out another 4 championships . Just has to make the move to Yamaha.

[iYRe]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V83r8ZMLtyQ

Interesting little video from HRC re MM

[mulletman]

Olivera to RFN and Mir to HRC

https://www.gpone.com/en/2022/08/29/motogp/oliveira-says-no-to-3-year-offer-from-ktm-and-chooses-aprilia.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&refresh_ce

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1010947/1/official-joan-mir-signs-twoyear-deal-repsol-honda

[iYRe]

Bit more MM info:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ld26NePtLBA

[steveyb]

Tech3 GasGas still to announce second rider. I can't believe Gardner is not being considered, or has already been told no.
Why would anyone take another rider over the world champion, unless it is due to the chequebook?

[F5 Dave]

What can he bring to the table? Great rider with famous father.

Sorry, not good enough, come back when you bring ExxonMobil.

[husaberg]

no big lira or paseo Spanish or Itailan sponsors.
As well as talent as rear wheel steerers,Aussies and yank riders brought in mondo tobacco sponsor dollars in the 90's.
These days the moneys with the Spaniards.
plus even though hes a moto 2 champ took him 6 years in moto 2 to win it.

Gardner snr basically funded himself in esp after Hondas Britain collapsed.
He did it on talent and determination by beating all the top contenders.

[actungbaby]

MM might find himself on a fuel economy run.Break out the hrc honda cub [emoji16]

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[actungbaby]

they used the road in the IOM as they had to start somewhere, no fixed circuits were built yet aprt from Brooklands, and they didn't allow bikes on there for a wee while, and england wouldn't allow road closures hence the trip abroad.I think it was the only legal place to race .

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[pritch]

Remy Gardner has been told he was not professional enough. That seems a bit odd. You’d think somebody might have mentioned that to him before the axe fell.

[iYRe]

MM is back on a bike:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UC2oSkEywEY

[Autech]

Remy Gardner has been told he was not professional enough. That seems a bit odd. You’d think somebody might have mentioned that to him before the axe fell.

He did make some pretty bad comments about the bike over the year... Personally I wouldn't drop him over the other Fernandez but... This is the team that arsehole Iker for no apparent reason.

Surprised Dorna didn't step in to keep the diversity on the grid more intact... $$$$$$$$$$$$

Remy was in Moto2 a while its true, never on a decent bike though until his title year IIRC, once he got on a good bike he was good to go. Most of these "Rookie sensations" are only able to be rookie sensations as they have the backing to get a good bike. Yes they have to perform, but they also have a huge team behind them that others might not have.

[Reckless]

Feel for Remy especially being dropped when most of the other contracts for next year have been signed by now.
Bit bloody slack of KTM


Better Free vid of MM you off the the GP site.
Don't often see him fang an ordinary bike.
Bloody hell at 1:19 - 1:21 the way he forces it over :rolleyes: Respect :apumpin:

https://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2022/09/01/watch-marc-marquez-is-back-training-on-a-bike-in-aragon/432995?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=20109_FR_MarquezBackOnTrack_en&utm_campaign=traffic

[iYRe]

Looks like a man who wants to win races...

I posted a vid awhile back on his last recovery, he was on a 600 and on a track with other riders, one was a youtuber who was quite fast and on a zx10r racebike.. MM was getting dropped on the straights, and thats about it lol

Oh, yeah this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVginOGnbwM

This one is also interesting


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQemgGeeJVo

[jato]

As always this next race looks like it'll be pretty exciting...Vinales has got his tail up - looks like he's sorted himself out finally. Tuesday's test will be real interesting too with marquez back , but the big question surely is have Yamaha been able to build a rocketship engine? If so it'd be good to know how they squeezed more power out of it while keeping it useful for a full race.

[Grumph]

He did make some pretty bad comments about the bike over the year... Personally I wouldn't drop him over the other Fernandez but... This is the team that arsehole Iker for no apparent reason.

Surprised Dorna didn't step in to keep the diversity on the grid more intact... $$$$$$$$$$$$

Remy was in Moto2 a while its true, never on a decent bike though until his title year IIRC, once he got on a good bike he was good to go. Most of these "Rookie sensations" are only able to be rookie sensations as they have the backing to get a good bike. Yes they have to perform, but they also have a huge team behind them that others might not have.

Remy's comments were very reminiscent of Wayne in his prime about the Honda being developed around Spencer. But nowadays that's not how you keep a ride.
Professionalism on and off the track nowadays means toeing the sponsors or factories line.
He also seems to be one of the riders who has to be in a class a season or two before he's comfortable. Pity he's not getting another season.

[iYRe]

Well, that was a helluva race..

My word.. no fingernails left.. lol.

And MV.. he's doing pretty damn well.

[mulletman]

Aegerter gets to blast the Suzuki !

https://www.suzuki-racing.com/motogp/DOMINIQUE-AEGERTER-TO-RIDE-THE-SUZUKI-GSX-RR-IN-MISANO-TEST.144302.cms

[roogazza]

Aegerter gets to blast the Suzuki !

https://www.suzuki-racing.com/motogp/DOMINIQUE-AEGERTER-TO-RIDE-THE-SUZUKI-GSX-RR-IN-MISANO-TEST.144302.cms

I was surprised, that boy has been doing great...:yes:

My fav Yamaha #20 has been peddling on the Yamaha .
5th wasn't bad considering, at Misano .

[Grumph]

So Dorna has been bought. The circus is going to have a GP in Saudi Arabia. Money talks.

[husaberg]

Remy's comments were very reminiscent of Wayne in his prime about the Honda being developed around Spencer. But nowadays that's not how you keep a ride.
Professionalism on and off the track nowadays means toeing the sponsors or factories line.
He also seems to be one of the riders who has to be in a class a season or two before he's comfortable. Pity he's not getting another season.
Doohan afterwards used to say the same thing about His bike being tailored to Wanye LOL.


Reading what both have said they used to have to fight with the young engineers as they liked to change everything.
After a few years Burgess and Doohan had enough pull that they could get them to stop changing what worked.

that aside as much as i admre Mick and think he was one of the greatest ever.
Freddie was supernatural at his peak.

"Freddie's an unbelievable rider. He brakes late, the thing slides, he gets on the gas early and comes out of corners on opposite lock. It's something I've never seen before and I'm sure no one else has either." Barry Sheene.


Freddie Spencer was able to charge turns so fast that when the front tire started sliding from being overloaded he could keep the bike from crashing by adding just enough throttle to relieve some pressure so the front tire could regain grip Freddie Spencer won 3 World Championships using this technique

[iYRe]

So Dorna has been bought. The circus is going to have a GP in Saudi Arabia. Money talks.


expanding the audience, dont ya know :P

[jato]

Only have spark sport here so no coverage of the Misano test... isn't Fabio testing a new engine? so far he is still one of the slowest for top speed ... maybe tomorrow?? has anyone has seen or heard any insights on this ?

[iYRe]

Only have spark sport here so no coverage of the Misano test... isn't Fabio testing a new engine? so far he is still one of the slowest for top speed ... maybe tomorrow?? has anyone has seen or heard any insights on this ?
There might be a torrent on it.. I am sure Crash.net will have youtube up at some point with talking points.

[iYRe]

I found this.. its just bikes going round but the sound is great
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrLSR5BbCIo

[jato]

Looks like an improvement in the Yamaha's speed but still a few k's down on the Ducatis and Aprillias... It's going to be a tall order to hold of Bagnaia for the rest of the season.
Oh and i found this - its just motorbikes too but listen to these engines...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWO2k63OFhc

[F5 Dave]

Looks like an improvement in the Yamaha's speed but still a few k's down on the Ducatis and Aprillias... It's going to be a tall order to hold of Bagnaia for the rest of the season.
Oh and i found this - its just motorbikes too but listen to these engines...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWO2k63OFhc
:Punk::Punk::Punk::Punk::Punk::Punk:

[iYRe]

Test recap:

https://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2022/09/07/misano-test-recap-yamaha-find-speed-honda-use-2021-bike/434972

[husaberg]

https://youtu.be/4cJix1ij_vg
See god then brake.
i was looking for the one where Rainey was forced into overcooking a chicane.
Cant remember if it was Lawson or Kevin that did it.





https://youtu.be/Vs-uHFfZ6co

[mulletman]

Remy Gardner takes Garret Gerloffs seat in WSBK 2023

https://www.bikesportnews.com/news/news-detail/gardner-swaps-motogp-for-grt-yamaha-in-worldsbk-2023

Garret to Bonovo BMW 2023

https://www.bikesportnews.com/news/news-detail/gerloff-moves-to-lavertys-bonovo-bmw-squad

[onearmedbandit]

Huge weekend for Marc coming up, will be a lot of crossed fingers out there I'm sure. Great to see him back, obvious concerns aside.

[Reckless]

Good vid as a behind the scenes look at MM prep

https://www.gpone.com/en/2022/09/15/motogp/video-marc-marquez-tells-the-behind-the-scenes-of-his-return.html?related=1

[jato]

Risky business for MM because you know that sooner or later him and that Honda will try landing on the moon ...https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=683184739594203
There will be a lot of worried viewers these next few races, myself included

[iYRe]

I guess, if she crashes he will finally retire.

The more I see of the guy, the more I like him.

[pritch]

I guess, if she crashes he will finally retire.


He has acknowledged that this is his last chance. If the injury doesn't let him perform as he wants he's out. If he has a major off he'll probably retire. He doesn't need the money, nor does he want to wind up a cripple. He's a little older and a little wiser now. Here's hoping this story has a happy ending - one way or another.

[iYRe]

He has acknowledged that this is his last chance. If the injury doesn't let him perform as he wants he's out. If he has a major off he'll probably retire. He doesn't need the money, nor does he want to wind up a cripple. He's a little older and a little wiser now. Here's hoping this story has a happy ending - one way or another.


I concur... Keith Huewen said even now he probably lives with constant pain and will for the rest of his life.

[onearmedbandit]

Oh well at least if that's true he got millions of Euro's out of it haha.

[pritch]

A radical departure. Presumably because they did not want Fernandez getting a tow from their man, two mechanics from the Max Moto3 team interfered wth Fernandez and his bike as he attempted to pull out of the pits. They have each been fined a couple of thousand Euros and suspended for two rounds. Biaggi has also said they will be punished appropriately, whatever that means.

[onearmedbandit]

A lot of commentators are saying that move was straight out of the Biaggi playbook. Totally bad form but definitely not the first time behaviour like this has been seen in the paddock according to a few insiders.

[pritch]

In case anyone doesn't know what we're on about...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67FFzpJUilo

[F5 Dave]

And Huski are owned by who? Risky move guys.

[onearmedbandit]

Not a great return for Marc, not that either incident was his fault. Luckily it appears neither Taaka or Fabio were injured but man what a way to add some spice to the championship. Great battle at the end between the two future team mates, that'll make for an interesting dynamic next year. Aleix managed to pull something decent out of the weekend too. Roll on Motegi.

[Grumph]

In case anyone doesn't know what we're on about...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67FFzpJUilo


If that had happened at a meeting where I was CoC, the whole team would have been out instantly.
There are too many commercial pressures on race officials at that level IMO.

[iYRe]

If that had happened at a meeting where I was CoC, the whole team would have been out instantly.
There are too many commercial pressures on race officials at that level IMO.

I thought I read that they were banned.. not suspended...

Well, we thought Marc would spice things up again, but not like that.. :/

[iYRe]

Poor old FQ:
Quartararo involved in scooter crash after Marquez Aragon MotoGP clash (autosport.com) (https://www.autosport.com/motogp/news/quartararo-involved-in-scooter-crash-after-marquez-aragon-motogp-clash/10371126/)

[merv]

Not a great return for Marc, not that either incident was his fault. Luckily it appears neither Taaka or Fabio were injured but man what a way to add some spice to the championship. Great battle at the end between the two future team mates, that'll make for an interesting dynamic next year. Aleix managed to pull something decent out of the weekend too. Roll on Motegi.

Were the bits of Fabio's bike that got stuck in the back of Marc's bike the wing bits? Marc also said things turned to custard when he operated the shapeshifter which jammed things up leading to the Taka incident.

Do we love these appendages and systems or did were prefer when men like Casey and Valentino raced bikes with smooth fairings that weren't going to get stuck up someone else's arse?

[husaberg]

If that had happened at a meeting where I was CoC, the whole team would have been out instantly.
There are too many commercial pressures on race officials at that level IMO.

Biaggi the moving chicane......
https://www.asphaltandrubber.com/racing/max-biaggi-leon-camier-assen-video/

Biaggi was fined for this at Suzuki 2001. rossi had the last laugh as he won and gave max the finger on the way through.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_ju6HwK1cU

Dohan rated biaggi as one of the dirtiest. The other being luca Caladora.

[jato]

On the money Merv ... shapeshifting stegasuarus's and electronics up the wazzooo. as for Biaggi, he did have a keen sense of survival... https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=10157052110195769

[iYRe]

Its not MotoGP.. but it is magic (pity we cant hear the bikes though)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McnjxoBQ6TQ

[Grumph]

From memory someone in the pom media said at the time that if Louie had ridden a 500 like that he might have gone further than he did.
Stroud's body language is interesting to someone who's watched him for many years. Relaxed.

[iYRe]

I flicked it to stroudie on facebook hoping he might comment on it but he didnt, might not have seen it yet. I work in Pokeno, and a couple of weeks ago he stopped here for icecream and had the Britten on a trailer.. I got to about 3m away as he drove off.. would have loved to check it out up close

[F5 Dave]

Were the bits of Fabio's bike that got stuck in the back of Marc's bike the wing bits? Marc also said things turned to custard when he operated the shapeshifter which jammed things up leading to the Taka incident.

Do we love these appendages and systems or did were prefer when men like Casey and Valentino raced bikes with smooth fairings that weren't going to get stuck up someone else's arse?
Put em back on 2 strokes:headbang:

[pritch]

Biaggi the moving chicane......

rossi had the last laugh as he won and gave max the finger on the way through.



Rossi gave him more than the finger, it seems he gave him a bunch of five - or several bunches of five.

Hayden was also seen to be holding Biaggi by the throat against a trailer with fist cocked, after he received the Biaggi treatment.

[sugilite]

I saw the carnage of the first lap during Sundays race. :shit:
Marc has definitely used up all his amazing good luck in his earlier years. Now it appears the devil is wanting back payment. An unbelievably gifted rider, but just cannot seem to catch a break now. I hope his next race comes good.
Oh, and normal Maverick service has resumed. :rolleyes:

[iYRe]

I saw the carnage of the first lap during Sundays race. :shit:
Marc has definitely used up all his amazing good luck in his earlier years. Now it appears the devil is wanting back payment. An unbelievably gifted rider, but just cannot seem to catch a break now. I hope his next race comes good.
Oh, and normal Maverick service has resumed. :rolleyes:

I think Mav lost a lot of places in the MArc incident.. I'd have thought he would have made up more places though

[sugilite]

I think Mav lost a lot of places in the MArc incident.. I'd have thought he would have made up more places though

He qualified 16th.

[iYRe]

ahh, I dont get time to watch the qualifying, just find out who the front 2 rows are when teh race starts lol

[sugilite]

ahh, I dont get time to watch the qualifying, just find out who the front 2 rows are when teh race starts lol

Hah, yeah i get that.
How good would a race long ding dong battle between MM, fabio, pecco and bastinini be at Japan this Sunday! :drool:

[sugilite]

No Bunnings at the montegi track. so make your own sausage sizzle?
https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1012629/1/fire-breaks-out-japanese-motogp-teams-unite-tame-blaze

The comrade in the motogp paddock is commendable. :yes:

[iYRe]

Hah, yeah i get that.
How good would a race long ding dong battle between MM, fabio, pecco and bastinini be at Japan this Sunday! :drool:

I am lookin forward to it! Monday is a holiday so we can enjoy it even more

[pritch]

No Bunnings at the montegi track. so make your own sausage sizzle?
https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/1012629/1/fire-breaks-out-japanese-motogp-teams-unite-tame-blaze

The comrade in the motogp paddock is commendable. :yes:

'Fire broke out' is somewhat of an understatement. The battery in an engine starter exploded while on charge.

[pritch]

Shit oh dear, I forgot. The GP circus is in a civilised time zone. They've had Q1 and Q2 already.

Cup of cocoa and qualifying seems about right.

[george formby]

I am lookin forward to it! Monday is a holiday so we can enjoy it even more

According to MotoGP schedule Moto 3 race is at 4pm today.

Quick question..... Does that allow for our clocks changing today?

[Dadpole]

4 PM our current time it seems.
I had a nice day (8 hours) in front to the TV yesterday stuffing my face and perving at Suzy Perry and the paddock dollies. There was some motorised bicycle stuff happening too. I do like the fly-away schedules. :woohoo:

[iYRe]

MM is on pole, i heard?

[george formby]

MM is on pole, i heard?

The word "domination" is plastered on the MotoGP website. I suspect this is the result of qualifying and yup, MM is at the front.

Must go and buy beer..

[iYRe]

The word "domination" is plastered on the MotoGP website. I suspect this is the result of qualifying and yup, MM is at the front.

Must go and buy beer..


The AB's won.. MM is on pole, it feels like the world has righted itself heh

[mulletman]

Massive win for Jack !

[F5 Dave]

Wet mucked things around in the weirdest way.

[pritch]

It's not as if there was a fight for he lead, but that last lap was incident packed.

[iYRe]

Great ride by Jack and Binder, and MM.. bloody excellent race.

[jato]

Motegi yesterday 7pm , Thailand this sunday presumably 7pm also then a fortnight later Phillip Island ... some interesting racing on its way

[Reckless]

So pleased for Jack that ride seemed to give a bit of faith back into himself as well by the looks.

Jeepers the championship :blink: you just can't predict what's going to happen this year :corn: