Unmasking Elon Musk [Archive] - Page 2

sugilite

5th March 2023, 17:39

Depends on how you look at it.

Point 1 - the Tesla Solar roof panels are fully realised, depending on what your view on 'seamlessly integrated' means.
Point 2 - Much the same, The Family Car and the SUV.
Point 3 - If NZ roads and drivers are anything to go by, 10x safer was achieved decades ago...
Point 4 - Is basically relient on point 3 being fully realised - the idea that without a driver, things like Uber and other gig-services that require a vehicle could be done autonomously.

Certainly, when he made these statements - it was part of a vision of the future - the fact that it's not yet been achieved isn't a blight on Elon - he set some lofty targets and they are difficult to do.

It's certainly nothing to scoff at the progress that has been made.
Well in a pragmatic neutral way - rather than a give Elon a break TDL way:bleh:
1. Agreed
2. How many other car manufacturers have only 2 styles of car? Hint:sweet fuck all. Correct answer - fail.
3. Self driving = fail
4. As you point out, related to point 2 - so also fail. How many self driving tesla uber vehicles have you seen driving about making money for their owners? Zero, which as it happens is also the same score as your "not very creative" answers to points 2, 3 and 4 ;)

I'm actually pretty neutral when it comes to musk and tesla. If I were to buy an EV which wont happen until charging stations actually would support my NZ driving habits would be a long range model 3. Musk in my opinion is a genius. His space x work is very impressive. Many aspects of Tesla are very impressive too. Though the jury is out on if the cyber truck will be fit for purpose. Musk should stop predicting tesla model roll out dates though. And imo he is driving twitter into the toilet, which I also feel is by design - and I feel the toilet is a good place for twitter to be.

george formby

5th March 2023, 17:54

In 2016 Elon put out the following edict....

"Create stunning solar roofs with seamlessly integrated battery storage"
"Expand the electric vehicle product line to address all major segments"
"Develop a self-driving capability that is 10X safer than manual via massive fleet learning"
"Enable your car to make money for you when you aren't using it".

7 years on, how much of that has been truly realised?

I ain't got nothing against Musk either, he really is charging into the future, heh.

Three of the four above are realised in China and Europe, the omitted one being the robo car hustle. The self driving taxi's in China are still restricted in area but expanding at a rapid rate.

Musk gets a lot of headlines and fanfare but in my opinion is actually being caught up with and passed by other companies.

Laava

5th March 2023, 17:59

I hope you fanbois all bought in to this…

george formby

5th March 2023, 18:26

I hope you fanbois all bought in to this…

Er, no. 2t's and diesel for me.

Laava

5th March 2023, 19:41

Pftt, can't start no spontaneous rampant fires with that shit!

The all new Tesla external combustion engine!��

Al Bundy 4eva!

6th March 2023, 07:25

The opinion of 10,000 men is of no value if none of them don't know anything about the subject.

neels

6th March 2023, 08:09

The opinion of 10,000 men is of no value if none of them don't know anything about the subject.
As you apparently don't work, you should probably spend some of your spare time getting english lessons.

That way you won't end up suggesting that there is no value in the opinion of 10,000 men who all know what they're talking about.

Also, you could consider asking some women, and non-binary people have opinions too.....

pritch

6th March 2023, 08:10

Some interesting comments on electric cars around the 'Net. An American has sold his Ford electric truck. He found the range insufficient. It seems in some cities the charging stations have been built where the real estate prices were low, it would be unwise to get out of your vehicle. In other places it seems some people hook up to the charger and go to work, they come back to the charger after work

Someone conducted a towing test. Towing a caravan reduced the range below what would be useful.

A guy in Britain had a good idea, he hired a Tesla to see if he liked it. Too many charging stations are not operating, a simple phone call is the fix but nobody bothers. He decided that it's too soon to own an electric car. He thinks hybrids are the answer until the infrastructure is widely available - and working.

There are reports in Australia that the BYD Atto 3, New Zealand's car of the year, has a rust problem. Whether it is just cosmetic or more serious will become apparent in time. I'll leave that for somebody else to discover.

TheDemonLord

6th March 2023, 08:35

Well in a pragmatic neutral way - rather than a give Elon a break TDL way:bleh:
1. Agreed
2. How many other car manufacturers have only 2 styles of car? Hint:sweet fuck all. Correct answer - fail.

Well....

His brief was 'Major Segments' - and in the extended press release, IIRC - he said Sedan, SUV and a Pickup.

Granted there isn't a Tesla Pickup yet - but 2/3 isn't bad.

3. Self driving = fail
4. As you point out, related to point 2 - so also fail. How many self driving tesla uber vehicles have you seen driving about making money for their owners? Zero, which as it happens is also the same score as your "not very creative" answers to points 2, 3 and 4 ;)

Oh come on - I thought the joke about point 3 was hilarious.

I agree though that Points 3 and 4 haven't been achieved - still though, the progress of self-driving Teslas, putting aside all the hyperbolic headlines, has been nothing short of phenomenal.

If I'm being really picky - I don't think his vision on Point 4 is entirely realistic. It would be a nice idea that after I go to work, my Car goes off on little automated errands to earn me $$$ - but this has to be weighed against the risk of Theft, Wear and Tear, Crashing and how much money this would make.

Currently the cost for an Uber is hypothetically predicated on compensation for a person's time. If it's just the cost of the Vehicle, I'd expect the cost would plummet - making it not very economical - massively increase supply, massively reduce price.

I'm actually pretty neutral when it comes to musk and tesla. If I were to buy an EV which wont happen until charging stations actually would support my NZ driving habits would be a long range model 3. Musk in my opinion is a genius. His space x work is very impressive. Many aspects of Tesla are very impressive too. Though the jury is out on if the cyber truck will be fit for purpose. Musk should stop predicting tesla model roll out dates though.

I've stated many times - I'm not against Electric Cars per se. I just don't think that currently they are ready to replace Petrol. The recharge vs refuelling time being the biggest issue for me. On top of that is the looming issue that our Power generation and our Electricity distribution infrastructure is going to need a complete redesign and overhaul if the majority of households in NZ are going to be plugging their Cars in overnight to charge.

We would pretty much need to invest in Nuclear power to supply enough Electricity to feed a private car fleet that is majority Electric.

There are other issues looming for Electric vehicles - Battery Fires and the mining of Lithium and other minerals needed.

As above - for small scale and for people who like them - I think the Electric Car is fine - the change happening to provide the infrastructure to support them is a good sign.

And imo he is driving twitter into the toilet, which I also feel is by design - and I feel the toilet is a good place for twitter to be.

Okay - same question I asked to Pritch, I'll ask to you:

Exactly how is he driving it into the toilet?

TheDemonLord

6th March 2023, 08:39

As you apparently don't work, you should probably spend some of your spare time getting english lessons.

That way you won't end up suggesting that there is no value in the opinion of 10,000 men who all know what they're talking about.

Also, you could consider asking some women, and non-binary people have opinions too.....

"A Hundred Authors Against Einstein"

To which he replied:

"that if he were wrong, then one author would have been enough"

There have been a good number of instances of late where the opinion of hundreds or even thousands of people who profess to know what they're talking about have been catastrophically wrong.

neels

6th March 2023, 09:42

There have been a good number of instances of late where the opinion of hundreds or even thousands of people who profess to know what they're talking about have been catastrophically wrong.
I'm not sure what the point of that was.

Anyway.....ultimately a lot of opinions are largely pointless as they are based on the belief of the person holding them, which may or may not be related to the actual facts or truth of the matter, or in some cases have absolutely no basis in reality other than the alternative one that exists in their own head.

TheDemonLord

6th March 2023, 10:27

I'm not sure what the point of that was.

Anyway.....ultimately a lot of opinions are largely pointless as they are based on the belief of the person holding them, which may or may not be related to the actual facts or truth of the matter, or in some cases have absolutely no basis in reality other than the alternative one that exists in their own head.

In short:

"Argumentum Ad Populum"

Just because a lot of people believe it to be true, doesn't make it true.

I've got no particular opinion one way or another - if Al is profiting from his Investment and believes in the future growth of his investment - more power to him, if others doubt his returns or think that it's a bubble investment - then more power to them.

I just dislike the invoking of N number of un-named 'Experts' as a form of argument. I disliked it when it was Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, I dislike it when it's 10,000 experts against Elon.

And in recent times when 'Experts' have been used in a way that I think is disgraceful, I dislike it even more.

Al Bundy 4eva!

6th March 2023, 11:13

As you apparently don't work, you should probably spend some of your spare time getting english lessons.

That way you won't end up suggesting that there is no value in the opinion of 10,000 men who all know what they're talking about.

Also, you could consider asking some women, and non-binary people have opinions too.....

If you were slightly more enlightened, you would know that

"The opinion of 10,000 men is of no value if none of them don't know anything about the subject."

Is a well known quote from Romen emperor & stoic philosopher Marcus Aurelius.

I thought it only fitting to be added to this thread.

neels

6th March 2023, 11:13

"Argumentum Ad Populum"

Just because a lot of people believe it to be true, doesn't make it true.

This is true.

I've got no particular opinion one way or another - if Al is profiting from his Investment and believes in the future growth of his investment - more power to him, if others doubt his returns or think that it's a bubble investment - then more power to them.

This is also true, albeit that he appears to be attempting to persuade others to his point of view, so should therefore expect to be challenged on his assertions

In short:I just dislike the invoking of N number of un-named 'Experts' as a form of argument. I disliked it when it was Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, I dislike it when it's 10,000 experts against Elon.
In terms of the 'number of experts' this is true, increased volume does not directly equate to increased quality

And in recent times when 'Experts' have been used in a way that I think is disgraceful, I dislike it even more.

This is the standard use of 'experts', to promote a particular point of view as determined by those employing them.

For example, on a daily basis there will be experts in court on both sides of an argument, who will be espousing a conclusion drawn from the evidence that is entirely determined by who is buttering their bread.

neels

6th March 2023, 11:17

If you were slightly more enlightened, you would know that

"The opinion of 10,000 men is of no value if none of them don't know anything about the subject."

Is a well known quote from Romen emperor & stoic philosopher Marcus Aurelius.

If you were more enlightened you would know that you have misquoted a quote attributed to Marcus Aurelius, however not only have you misquoted you have also missed the point.

TheDemonLord

6th March 2023, 11:26

This is true.

This is also true, albeit that he appears to be attempting to persuade others to his point of view, so should therefore expect to be challenged on his assertions

Definitely - from my spectator view of the back-and-forth, a lot of the challenges are tangential at best.

Not that the ripostes are equally convincing either.

In terms of the 'number of experts' this is true, increased volume does not directly equate to increased quality

One might even be of the opinion that it directly equates to a decrease in quality. ;)

This is the standard use of 'experts', to promote a particular point of view as determined by those employing them.

For example, on a daily basis there will be experts in court on both sides of an argument, who will be espousing a conclusion drawn from the evidence that is entirely determined by who is buttering their bread.

The way I see it, in the last 10 or so years the usage has been getting worse and worse.

Whether it's propping someone up who clearly isn't an Expert, but has the 'right opinions' to banning people and labelling them for holding a different (but justifiable) view.

At least with the court process, for all it's faults, an Expert gets to be cross-examined - where every potential hold in what they are putting forward can be challenged before the Jury.

Perhaps if the role of 'experts' in public life were subject to such grilling by an unbiased media (or at least... a Media that still had an interest in Journalism...) then I might hold a different view.

pete376403

6th March 2023, 11:57

If you were slightly more enlightened, you would know that

"The opinion of 10,000 men is of no value if none of them don't know anything about the subject."

Is a well known quote from Romen emperor & stoic philosopher Marcus Aurelius.

I thought it only fitting to be added to this thread.

Fake marcus aurelius quote - one of many. But even the fake quotes use proper grammar, which is more than the tesla fanboi does:

https://medium.com/practical-rationality/10-definitely-fake-quotes-not-from-marcus-aurelius-4c0294e4ea65

The last bonus fake quote is an interesting one. Marcus does mention the number 10,000 in the Meditations, but never in any context remotely like that of the passage. Instead, he uses it for years or for numbers of cavalry and infantry.

Al Bundy 4eva!

6th March 2023, 13:35

"Why should you feel anger at the world? As if the world would notice'

pritch

6th March 2023, 14:25

TheDemonLord

6th March 2023, 14:41

You don't say?

Indeed.

And Time has been awfully kind to my Point of View of late.

Awfully kind.

sugilite

6th March 2023, 16:40

Indeed.

And Time has been awfully kind to my Point of View of late.

Awfully kind.

Are you referring to all the conservatives that were convinced the election was stolen as pushed by fox news? Despite the main talking heads there not believing it for a moment as evidenced by their personal messaging. If course fox is by far the largest conservative news source for US based conservatives. (I know you do not watch it). I'm surprised I have not seen an impassioned wall of text from you regarding this blatant attack on democratic processes and integrity - since we all know how passionately you are against
news organizations misinforming the people. Or is it just when the left leaning lot do it? :bleh:

TheDemonLord

6th March 2023, 16:53

Are you referring to all the conservatives that were convinced the election was stolen as pushed by fox news? Despite the main talking heads there not believing it for a moment as evidenced by their personal messaging. If course fox is by far the largest conservative news source for US based conservatives.

(I know you do not watch it).

You kinda answered your own question there....

I'm surprised I have not seen an impassioned wall of text from you regarding this blatant attack on democratic processes and integrity - since we all know how passionately you are against
news organizations misinforming the people. Or is it just when the left leaning lot do it? :bleh:

Well, tell you what - when Fox news is being leaned on by the FBI to push a story they don't believe in - then perhaps you might see such a post from me.

Till then, we aren't even in the same ball park.

sugilite

7th March 2023, 09:22

- same question I asked to Pritch, I'll ask to you:

Exactly how is he driving it into the toilet?
Sacking staff before understanding their full function.
Imo, cutting support staff way to much, then not paying the slack invoice that lets support teams communicate with each other. We will see how twitter functions after its next few major outages shall we.
Wholesale unbanning of hate proponents to name just a few.

Indeed.

And Time has been awfully kind to my Point of View of late.

Awfully kind.
Only in your mind sport.
As you know, trumpageddon is coming for the gop. Im all stocked up on popcorn and are ready to dine out on I told you so's, which is not my usual style, but when it comes to you and Trump, im going to make an exception and are genuinely looking forward to his dismantling of the largest Conservative movement in the World. He has been steadily poisoning it for years, time to finish it off. A better Conservative movement 'should' rise from the ashes, one that honors and imo needed Conservative values and oversight. Though somthing tells me you will suddenly be too busy to be posting on kb about the time trumpegeddon gets underway in earnest. ;)

You kinda answered your own question there....

Well, tell you what - when Fox news is being leaned on by the FBI to push a story they don't believe in - then perhaps you might see such a post from me.

Till then, we aren't even in the same ball park.
I doubt it, you are either desperately doing the ostrich thing, your usual first go to when facts go against your narrative, or you need better news sources :lol:

Im not surprised you do not view the largest Conservative 'news' organisation undermining democracy in order to save subscribers as not being in the same ballpark as the fbi asking twitter execs to bury a story for less than 24 hours. What would saint Seymour say?

And fun fact, Trump and his administration are on record for leaning on Twitter to delete posts they did not like. Where was the tdl outrage?

Oh yes, I had better order napkins for my trumpageddon dine out, shit is going to get messy :laugh:

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3885098-trump-spends-days-workshopping-nicknames-for-desantis-report/
I mean, God forbid trump work on policy like his Obama care replacement lol

TheDemonLord

7th March 2023, 10:33

Sacking staff before understanding their full function.
Imo, cutting support staff way to much, then not paying the slack invoice that lets support teams communicate with each other. We will see how twitter functions after its next few major outages shall we.

Okay - interesting points - I have just one question:

"Have you noticed the impact of this, as an end user?"

Ironically there was an outage this morning with Image sharing on Twitter - but the platform was still up, Tweets still worked and most importantly: Most of the Code that is running Twitter is the same code that pre-existed Elon.

Wholesale unbanning of hate proponents to name just a few.

I've got a good feeling I can name some of the names of people who you think this applies to - I probably don't think they are 'Hate proponents', I think a better description would be 'disagree with radical left-wing ideology'.

But since you mentioned Unbanning (and I kinda thought and hoped you would) - I get to talk about the Banning that Elon did do. Namely getting rid of a whole lot of CP on Twitter (curious how the radical lefties could ban people for saying mean things, but couldn't ban people for dealing in illegal material....).

I put it to you - with absolutely zero grey area or nuance - that the banning of CP accounts, even at the supposed 'cost' of unbanning 'hate proponents' - is preferable in every way, shape and form.

I further put it to you that this shows where their sympathies lie.

Only in your mind sport.
As you know, trumpageddon is coming for the gop. Im all stocked up on popcorn and are ready to dine out on I told you so's, which is not my usual style, but when it comes to you and Trump, im going to make an exception and are genuinely looking forward to his dismantling of the largest Conservative movement in the World. He has been steadily poisoning it for years, time to finish it off. A better Conservative movement 'should' rise from the ashes, one that honors and imo needed Conservative values and oversight. Though somthing tells me you will suddenly be too busy to be posting on kb about the time trumpegeddon gets underway in earnest. ;)

As is your opinion. Suffice to say, I have a different one.

I have to ask though - if you look at Trump's policy, very little of it would stand-out as misplaced on a 90s era Democrat ballot - think early Clinton.

What is it you think a Conservative movement is? Once you answer that question, why is what Trump did not Conservative? I'll even pre-empt your answer - there are things Trump did that are definitely not Conservative, policy wise - but my bet is - you won't agree on what Conservatism is and therefore won't agree on what the policy differences are.

Final question - what do you see as a better conservative movement?

Now - to show that this isn't a 'Gotcha' - the Core of the Conservative movement is based around individualism. Individual Rights, Individual responsibilities, Individual freedom and Individual choice.

There's many different facets where this applies - for example, Christian Conservatism = The Individual is made in the image of god and is divine. Capitalist Conservatism = Individuals freely engaging in trade is the most prosperous system. etc. etc.

All the subsequent ideas and views flow from that concept. It's also why Conservatives should be outright hostile to any collectivist ideology.

I doubt it, you are either desperately doing the ostrich thing, your usual first go to when facts go against your narrative, or you need better news sources :lol:

On the contrary - I think I have the perfect articulation of my position on this... From legendary 'Far Right' personality... Russell Brand:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXVCyeb0hVw

His point - is that both Fox and MSNBC are two sides of the same coin - a statement I wholeheartedly agree with. Hence why I don't watch them on a regular basis.

Tim Poole (the eternal Fence-Sitter) is one source I use as an example.

Im not surprised you do not view the largest Conservative 'news' organisation undermining democracy in order to save subscribers as not being in the same ballpark as the fbi asking twitter execs to bury a story for less than 24 hours.

Firstly, glad not to disappoint.
Secondly - I'm going to accept your framing of the scenario (not that I actually do) without reservation, for the purposes of making the point:

Fox telling lies to save subscribers (as you framed it) is entirely within the bounds of the First Amendment.
The Government (FBI) 'asking' a company to censor a story is, to quote Ro Khanna (Democrat Congressman) "This seems a violation of First Amendment principles".

So yes - with your framing of the issue as above, it is not the same ball park. A News organization can lie through their teeth and the Government cannot muzzle them, but if the Government asks an entity to censure something because it makes them look bad - that's against the constitution.

What would saint Seymour say?

He'd probably say the solution is not to fund activist journalists from the Public Interest Journalism fund using public money.

And fun fact, Trump and his administration are on record for leaning on Twitter to delete posts they did not like. Where was the tdl outrage?

Did they do it? Or does the blade only ever cut one-way?

I'd be outraged if moderate left-wing commentators were being yeeted off the platform left, right and centre - but that doesn't happen.

You can have a profile with a hammer and sickle and regular spout Marxist rhetorhic, praise Stalin and Mao and be assured of not getting a ban-hammer. Despite those being responsible for far more death and destruction than the other Moustach'd bad man.

Yet, say that a Biological Male is a Biological Male - and you are banned.

Oh yes, I had better order napkins for my trumpageddon dine out, shit is going to get messy :laugh:

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3885098-trump-spends-days-workshopping-nicknames-for-desantis-report/
I mean, God forbid trump work on policy like his Obama care replacement lol

Yes, Trump's maximum attack mode going against DeSantis isn't great, but that said - the people who are most vociferous in publishing these stories seem to be left-leaning outlets.

I mean, there wouldn't be some ulterior motive they might have for trying to stoke up division in the Conservative movement, could there...

Which should tell you just how much I trust their reporting.

pritch

7th March 2023, 11:06

Okay - interesting points - I have just one question:

"Have you noticed the impact of this, as an end user?"

Ironically there was an outage this morning with Image sharing on Twitter - but the platform was still up, Tweets still worked and most importantly: Most of the Code that is running Twitter is the same code that pre-existed Elon.

The answer to your question is yes. Daily.

This morning's 'outage' was the third in a month. Musk posted an explanation, he had changed something but there were unintended consequences.
You tend to get unintended consequences if you have fired the people who knew what they were doing, and the people who advised that what you are doing may be a mistake. He now has staff who either don't know or won't say.

TheDemonLord

7th March 2023, 11:19

The answer to your question is yes. Daily.

This morning's 'outage' was the third in a month. Musk posted an explanation, he had changed something but there were unintended consequences.

Daily? Or 3 times in a month?

Those are two different things.

Currently, I believe that Twitter outages (from Netblock) is 4 - last year it was 9.

But that's not 'Daily outages' - everytime I've gone to check something on Twitter, It has worked and I've gotten the info I needed/wanted.

You tend to get unintended consequences if you have fired the people who knew what they were doing, and the people who advised that what you are doing may be a mistake. He now has staff who either don't know or won't say.

That's one possibility, here's another - I know firsthand of many 'systems' that were 'stable' and 'working' as far as end-user performance goes. On the back-end they were horrendously out-of-date, not patched, running on duck-tape fixes etc. And the moment you touched those systems to make them better, you had issues.

The current Twitter outages and especially the explanation given by Elon hit so close to home for me, it's not funny.

Now - I'm not saying that I 100% believe him, I'm just saying that I've lived what he's describing multiple times.

Al Bundy 4eva!

8th March 2023, 13:58

So you got nothing - noted.
For someone with so much free time on their hands, you sure come up short a lot - especially your predictions. It seems only perceived snipes towards your dad raise you from your slumber, well that and replying to your own posts.

Elon Musk said at an investor conference hosted by Morgan Stanley this morning that Twitter has a good shot at being cashflow positive by 2nd quarter.

So as you said Twitter would fail, I have decided to remind you every time Twitter move's forward financially.

The only thing that seems to have failed is your political motivated predictions.

pete376403

8th March 2023, 16:48

Elon Musk said at an investor conference hosted by Morgan Stanley this morning that Twitter has a good shot at being cashflow positive by 2nd quarter.

So as you said Twitter would fail, I have decided to remind you every time Twitter move's forward financially.

The only thing that seems to have failed is your political motivated predictions.

Elon says a lot of things, not all true - "It was based on things I was told that were untrue or, in some cases, true, but not meaningful,” he tweeted.

https://www.nbc15.com/2023/03/08/elon-musk-apologizes-after-mocking-laid-off-twitter-employee-with-disability/

neels

8th March 2023, 17:24

Elon Musk said at an investor conference hosted by Morgan Stanley this morning that Twitter has a good shot at being cashflow positive by 2nd quarter.
He'll be wishing he could go back to the good old days of the Trump presidency, seems that's the only time it's been profitable is when everyone was tuning in to see what nonsense he was going to twit next.

sugilite

8th March 2023, 17:27

Elon Musk said at an investor conference hosted by Morgan Stanley this morning that Twitter has a good shot at being cashflow positive by 2nd quarter.
Considering this is the same guy that announced the cyber truck would be on sale by 2021 among many other failed production numbers and release date announcements, the weight i will assign upon this latest prediction is equal to one of my post spicy burrito farts.

So as you said Twitter would fail, I have decided to remind you every time Twitter move's forward financially.
Sorry if i wont be holding my breath.

The only thing that seems to have failed is your political motivated predictions.
My criticism of musk has nothing to do with politics. I neither lean left or right, I pretty much despise most pollies with great zest. Nor do I view musk as a political figure.
So in review, you doubted i had ever started a business. Then you predicted I slaved away all day, and now you incorrectly announced my musk criticism is politically motivated.
You have got it wrong 3 times in a row now. Oh dear.

Maybe just stick to quoting yourself, telling us every other post how wealthy you are (even though it makes it less convincing each time). To call you low rent troll would be insulting to genuine low rent trolls.

Al Bundy 4eva!

8th March 2023, 19:17

Maybe just stick to quoting yourself, telling us every other post how wealthy you are (even though it makes it less convincing each time). To call you low rent troll would be insulting to genuine low rent trolls.

You tell me your net worth value of assets, companies, equities and I'll tell you mine.

husaberg

8th March 2023, 20:51

You tell me your net worth value of assets, companies, equities and I'll tell you mine.

Yeah the issue is you have ben caught in that many lies already what difference would you lying on another day really make....

Al Bundy 4eva!

9th March 2023, 07:44

https://youtu.be/O-oY4TaOZOo

sugilite

9th March 2023, 08:58

You tell me your net worth value of assets, companies, equities and I'll tell you mine.

Which childish game will you suggest next, pin the tail on the donkey?
or musks version, which teslas steering wheel will fall off next? :laugh:

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/mar/08/tesla-steering-wheels-fall-off-investigation

Al Bundy 4eva!

9th March 2023, 10:29

Which childish game will you suggest next, pin the tail on the donkey?
or musks version, which teslas steering wheel will fall off next? :laugh:

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/mar/08/tesla-steering-wheels-fall-off-investigation
You still believing everything mainstream media says?

Sheep baaaaahhh..

neels

9th March 2023, 11:47

You still believing everything mainstream media says?

Sheep baaaaahhh..

There's no believing required when it's reporting an investigation that is actually happening, and even includes links to the documents produced by the organisation doing the investigating.

It's tending towards mental illness refusing to believe anything that doesn't fit the narrative in your own head, even when it can be absolutely proven to be true.

Al Bundy 4eva!

9th March 2023, 12:31

There's no believing required when it's reporting an investigation that is actually happening, and even includes links to the documents produced by the organisation doing the investigating.

It's tending towards mental illness refusing to believe anything that doesn't fit the narrative in your own head, even when it can be absolutely proven to be true.

It was only 2 Teslas,

Nissan had 1000 steering wheels come off, in the same time period.

None news event , but the sheeple always get hooked in to click bait to quickly sell you some advertising on mainstream media.

mashman

9th March 2023, 12:44

Elon says a lot of things, not all true - "It was based on things I was told that were untrue or, in some cases, true, but not meaningful,” he tweeted.

https://www.nbc15.com/2023/03/08/elon-musk-apologizes-after-mocking-laid-off-twitter-employee-with-disability/

I saw that one. What a tit. Dude still has a lot to learn about value.

neels

9th March 2023, 12:48

None news event , but the sheeple always get hooked in to click bait to quickly sell you some advertising on mainstream media.

None of which has anything to do with whether it can be believed or not, which was the point of your original post.

It was only 2 Teslas,

Nissan had 1000 steering wheels come off, in the same time period.

Unlike the 'mainstream media', you haven't provided any evidence or links to documents demonstrating that this is true, so therefore at face value cannot be considered fact

And if you bother to google, that confirms that it's not true.

Nissan received two reports of loose steering wheels between January 30 and February 8, 2023, prompting them to launch a “dealer quality action” to inspect the steering wheels on 418 Ariya vehicles, leading to another incident being found.

Out of an abundance of caution, Nissan decided to voluntarily recall over 1,000 units to fix the problem.

george formby

9th March 2023, 14:28

It was only 2 Teslas,

Nissan had 1000 steering wheels come off, in the same time period.

None news event , but the sheeple always get hooked in to click bait to quickly sell you some advertising on mainstream media.

Is that right?

"The wild part of the story is that Nissan only found two Ariyas that had loose steering wheel bolts out of 96 that were audited by dealers up to the point where Nissan decided to launch this recall. At that time, 418 Ariyas were in the U.S. , but the recall was due to an "abundance of caution," according to the NHTSA report. According to that same report, 1,063 Ariyas are subject to this recall with an estimated 1 percent being affected."

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2023-nissan-ariya-electric-suv-steering-wheel-recall/

Admittedly the same thing applies to Tesla, it's not many cars but the fact that a few hundred had no retaining bolt installed at all is a worry.
Pissed off employee? Dumb robot?

husaberg

9th March 2023, 16:33

Is that right?

"The wild part of the story is that Nissan only found two Ariyas that had loose steering wheel bolts out of 96 that were audited by dealers up to the point where Nissan decided to launch this recall. At that time, 418 Ariyas were in the U.S. , but the recall was due to an "abundance of caution," according to the NHTSA report. According to that same report, 1,063 Ariyas are subject to this recall with an estimated 1 percent being affected."

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2023-nissan-ariya-electric-suv-steering-wheel-recall/

Admittedly the same thing applies to Tesla, it's not many cars but the fact that a few hundred had no retaining bolt installed at all is a worry.
Pissed off employee? Dumb robot?

I predict a series of posts with allbunny replying to his own posts to bury this post that shows he is what he actually is, a dullard.

george formby

9th March 2023, 17:41

I predict a series of posts with allbunny replying to his own posts to bury this post that shows he is what he actually is, a dullard.

That's generous.

sugilite

10th March 2023, 13:12

It was only 2 Teslas,

Nissan had 1000 steering wheels come off, in the same time period.

None news event , but the sheeple always get hooked in to click bait to quickly sell you some advertising on mainstream media.

So let me get this straight, don't believe mainstream media, then yourself roll out a blatant lie about nissan - 1000 actually = 2 :laugh:
2 nissan and 2 teslas so far is bad enough.

I'm sure tesla owners having the steering wheel falling off in their hands will be singing teslas and musks praises as they hurtle for a head on with a semi truck. Their best hope would be it is a tesla semi truck with a mild load onboard, so it could well run out of battery before they collide. :innocent:

Al Bundy 4eva!

10th March 2023, 17:11

So let me get this straight, don't believe mainstream media, then yourself roll out a blatant lie about nissan - 1000 actually = 2 :laugh:
2 nissan and 2 teslas so far is bad enough.

I'm sure tesla owners having the steering wheel falling off in their hands will be singing teslas and musks praises as they hurtle for a head on with a semi truck. Their best hope would be it is a tesla semi truck with a mild load onboard, so it could well run out of battery before they collide. :innocent:

I'm rich, it's not that I don't like you, it's just that I don't care about you, or even think about you and your poor people crew.
Like a bug on the highway, you don't exist.

In fact, you should be honoured I took time out of my wealthy life to reply to you and your poor people motorcycle crew.

Enjoy your weekend x.

neels

10th March 2023, 18:32

I'm rich, it's not that I don't like you, it's just that I don't care about you, or even think about you and your poor people crew.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ex45znGdECE

Berries

10th March 2023, 22:28

In fact, you should be honoured I took time out of my wealthy life to reply to you and your poor people motorcycle crew.

Spanner.

Hammer.

Anyone spot the connection?

sugilite

12th March 2023, 05:26

I wonder how long this pricing structure will last?

https://www.wired.com/story/twitter-data-api-prices-out-nearly-everyone/

TheDemonLord

12th March 2023, 08:58

I wonder how long this pricing structure will last?

https://www.wired.com/story/twitter-data-api-prices-out-nearly-everyone/

It doesn't sound that unreasonable TBH.

Given the amount of Data they are talking about, I remember the absolute fleecing we got from doing Salesforce integration and bulk upserts and the datasets we were dealing with were a fraction of that.

sugilite

12th March 2023, 11:13

It doesn't sound that unreasonable TBH.

Given the amount of Data they are talking about, I remember the absolute fleecing we got from doing Salesforce integration and bulk upserts and the datasets we were dealing with were a fraction of that.

Did you read the article? You get precisely .3 % of the data for that money. That is less than when the API was free.

sugilite

12th March 2023, 12:35

What is it you think a Conservative movement is?
I'm running short on time, but did want to reply briefly to these points most.
To be honest and completely sincere, I hold your explanation made a few months back of what conservatism is as being the gold standard. I even green blinged you on it.
Trump did not follow any policy other than what is best for trump and what grift could he get away with that day. Any resemblance to it being a conservative policy is merely coincidental.
No wall of text will convince me otherwise, not that, that will stop you trying :lol:

Yes, Trump's maximum attack mode going against DeSantis isn't great.
I assure you, this is Trump lite - he is just getting warmed up. I do not envy ron meatball santimonious one little bit :laugh: Sugi runs to check on popcorn......

TheDemonLord

12th March 2023, 13:38

Did you read the article? You get precisely .3 % of the data for that money. That is less than when the API was free.

Sure - but how many tweets does 0.3% comprise? More than enough to take a representative sample for whatever it is you are looking at.

As we both noted, there does seem to still be a mechanism for free usage of the API, so long as it's approved by Twitter.

That doesn't seem unreasonable to me, especially considering the value of API access to Twitter and the amount of resource (CPU, Disk, Network etc.) that using it must take.

TheDemonLord

12th March 2023, 13:48

I'm running short on time, but did want to reply briefly to these points most.
To be honest and completely sincere, I hold your explanation made a few months back of what conservatism is as being the gold standard. I even green blinged you on it.
Trump did not follow any policy other than what is best for trump and what grift could he get away with that day. Any resemblance to it being a conservative policy is merely coincidental.
No wall of text will convince me otherwise, not that, that will stop you trying :lol:

Sure, I remember that - but the explanation was specifically about where are the Right Wing Philosophers - and my point was what it's hard to be a conservative philosopher.

The things that Trump did - and let me be charitable and accept your premise that it was all for the greater good of Trump - was to repeal excess regulation and red tape.

That always tends to favor the smaller businesses (Costs of Compliance don't scale linearly - bigger business benefit from the economies of scale when dealing with compliance costs).

His main campaign point 'Build the Wall' - could be considered an aspect of Conservatism - JBP discussed this a while back, essentially part of the Conservative ethos (apart from the individualist aspects that I tend to champion) is 'Everything in it's proper place' - this is the Order part of Conservatism. Enforcing things like a Border is a Conservative value (unless you are the UK Conservatives... But don't worry, Rishi will *totally* fix it... this time...)

I assure you, this is Trump lite - he is just getting warmed up. I do not envy ron meatball santimonious one little bit :laugh: Sugi runs to check on popcorn......

That depends on a lot of factors. It's possible, if Ron does decide to go for the Presidency, then I suspect you'll be right. but we don't know that.

sugilite

15th March 2023, 18:14

Bannon seems to be not a musk fan, says he is owned. Hmmmmm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDnjpwrg8a8

SaferRides

31st March 2023, 23:36

Harbour Bridge Tesla fire: Witness describes moment driver is pulled from wreckage https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/harbour-bridge-tesla-fire-witness-describes-moment-driver-is-pulled-from-wreckage/VAEDDAFRK5DQPKALKJ4BAA522Q/

Not sure I would have been brave enough to go near a burning Tesla!

Sent from my SM-S906E using Tapatalk

R650R

31st March 2023, 23:58

***Breakung News***
Skipping the normal ten year phase of empty promises before lacklustre implementation a new Tesla product has started to be delivered before consumers even bought them. Musks secret AI development TwitTalk fully conducted market research and product design itself. The totally AI run Tesla Model 8 Giga factory produced the new cars and self delivered them with sixty generation full self driving to customers it predicted would buy them.
The AI automatically deducted Twitcon coin from customers account s while they slept.
Are you a new model 8 owner, better have a look in driveway.
The cars have a 2000km range that auto recharged from earths magnetic field when carvis in motion and is fitted with Martin Baker ejections seats.

Al Bundy 4eva!

4th April 2023, 20:07

Tesla about to trial FSD beta in China, first major market outside the US to begin trials ( UK has already started testing) my prediction of self driving Teslas in NZ 2024 likely to play out.

sugilite

4th April 2023, 21:08

Not for nz roads sport, with usual optimistic Tesla timing, maybe 2027 actual.

mashman

4th April 2023, 21:16

I see starlink has arrived in NZ.

neels

4th April 2023, 23:47

I see starlink has arrived in NZ.
Has been here for ages, just had to wait for a sufficiently large disaster for people to desperately need crap internet because there were no viable alternatives.

sugilite

5th April 2023, 07:05

I moved to my current location 9 months ago from rural to rural-ish. Long story short, no bloody mainstream broadband to be had. So i figured, no worries, I'll go starnet. Went online to order it and oh, a waiting list for equipment. They wanted a hefty deposit with no time frame what so ever for delivery. Ok i thought, ill contact them to get an idea of a time frame. Oh, no way to contact them = a fuck off starnet from me. Went with the literal only option I could find, stratanet. They are ok, just pray you do not need support though as it is pretty much non existent.

mashman

5th April 2023, 12:56

Has been here for ages, just had to wait for a sufficiently large disaster for people to desperately need crap internet because there were no viable alternatives.

Did not know that. Wonder if the govt will still plod on with rural infrastructure or just pay musky and go the maldives instead.

Berries

5th April 2023, 15:14

Did not know that.
They were trialing it on Stewart Island 18 months ago. Works pretty good but then so does Skinny wireless which is a shit load cheaper.

Once they manage to get it to work on a boat at sea they will sell a few if the price is right.

EDIT - A bit of info - https://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/126246920/southlanders-embrace-satellite-broadband-from-elon-musks-starlink

mashman

5th April 2023, 16:28

They were trialing it on Stewart Island 18 months ago. Works pretty good but then so does Skinny wireless which is a shit load cheaper.

Once they manage to get it to work on a boat at sea they will sell a few if the price is right.

EDIT - A bit of info - https://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/126246920/southlanders-embrace-satellite-broadband-from-elon-musks-starlink

Ta for the info. The Ad on titty says the hardware is down from over a grand to a couple hundy. I'm sure the govt will be off to the maldives.

george formby

5th April 2023, 17:14

Once they manage to get it to work on a boat at sea they will sell a few if the price is right.

Not sure if you were alluding to Starlink or Skinny but teh internet on ships has been around a long time.

20 or so years ago I was on a fishing boat in the Southern Ocean, really, really southern, and it had internet but not for day to day crew use, too expensive.

Berries

5th April 2023, 23:35

Not sure what they were using then but I was talking Starlink. Skinny I presume depends on cell phone towers so it works for me in town on the island but wouldn't when remote or on a boat 10km from shore. A satellite phone is fine and dandy for brief calls but no use for a night of opera, MotoGP videos or porn. For a small fishing boat there is nothing really at present but if Starlink could lock on to a satellite and cope with the roll of a boat it would be great. If I could spell gymball or knew how they worked I would be in the workshop now inventing one.

husaberg

5th April 2023, 23:53

Berries

6th April 2023, 07:28

If the boat's rocking, don't come knocking.

george formby

6th April 2023, 09:28

Couldn't you just wait till you get back on dry land to video yourself having sex with the cabinboy?

Poor Roger, the obliging cabin boy.

Kickaha

6th April 2023, 17:45

Poor Roger, the obliging cabin boy.

Tom, the cabin boy was called Tom

husaberg

6th April 2023, 18:55

Poor Roger, the obliging cabin boy.

Tom, the cabin boy was called Tom

RODGEr ING was who Berries introduced him too...
which according to Joanne, is pronounced with a little d?

Musk said on Twitter Trump never worried he just scratched it out larger one with a sharpie

Al Bundy 4eva!

7th April 2023, 06:11

The big bad kiwi male biking community freely talking about sex with cabin boys, the woke world has easily influenced you all

Oh how the once strong kiwi male has fallen..

george formby

7th April 2023, 09:29

The big bad kiwi male biking community freely talking about sex with cabin boys, the woke world has easily influenced you all

Oh how the once strong kiwi male has fallen..

I really like The Wombles, too.

husaberg

7th April 2023, 09:39

The big bad kiwi male biking community freely talking about sex with cabin boys, the woke world has easily influenced you all

Oh how the once strong kiwi male has fallen..
FEBRUARY 2023 YTD - NEW CARS BY MAKE, YEAR TO DATE

-------Jan---Feb-YTD
TESLA 189 168 357
TOYOTA 1539 744 2283

Al Bundy 4eva!

7th April 2023, 10:30

I'm sure you heard already because many of you follow Elon Musk, but just incase you haven't

Starship, the largest space rocket in history is all packed and good to go depending on approval by communist US regulators

onearmedbandit

7th April 2023, 10:35

Yup, that's going to be mighty impressive. Some very talented people he's got n his corner.

husaberg

7th April 2023, 12:40

I'm sure you heard already because many of you follow Elon Musk, but just incase you haven't

Maybe if you gave him a happy ending he might buy you a horse?
https://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-paid-250000-to-a-flight-attendant-who-accused-elon-musk-of-sexual-misconduct-2022-5

The flight attendant told her friend that the billionaire SpaceX and Tesla founder asked her to come to his room during a flight in late 2016 "for a full body massage," the declaration says. When she arrived, the attendant found that Musk "was completely naked except for a sheet covering the lower half of his body." During the massage, the declaration says, Musk "exposed his genitals" and then "touched her and offered to buy her a horse if she would 'do more,' referring to the performance of sex acts."

The attendant, who rides horses, declined and continued with the massage without engaging in any sexual conduct. The attendant "is not for sale," the friend's declaration said. "She is not going to perform sexual favors for money or gifts." The incident occurred during a flight to London.

In an interview with Insider, the friend described the attendant's allegations in more detail. She spoke on the condition of anonymity, citing fears for her personal safety, but Insider is aware of her identity. Insider is also aware of the flight attendant's identity, but is not naming her because she has claimed to be a victim of sexual misconduct. She declined to comment for this story.

"He whipped out his penis, it was erect," the friend said, describing the allegations. "And he started propositioning her, like he touched her thigh and told her he would buy her a horse. And he basically tried to bribe her to perform some sort of sexual favor."

"Punished for refusing to prostitute herself"
The friend said that the attendant told her about the misconduct while they were on a hike together shortly after the London trip. The friend described the attendant as distraught and visibly shaken. "She was really upset," the friend said. "She didn't know what to do."

The flight attendant told her friend that work began to dry up after she refused Musk's advances. "Before the incident, she regarded Mr. Musk as a person to look up to," the declaration says. "But after he exposed himself, touched her without permission, and offered to pay her for sex, she was full of anxiety."

"She figured things could just go back to normal and she would pretend like nothing happened," the friend told Insider. "However, she started to feel as if she was receiving some sort of retaliation where her shifts were cut back, and she was starting to feel really stressed."

Eventually, the declaration says, the attendant felt "she was being pushed out and punished for refusing to prostitute herself."

In May 2022, a Business Insider article alleged that Musk engaged in sexual misconduct with a SpaceX flight attendant in a private jet in 2016 citing an anonymous friend of the flight attendant.In response, some employees collaborated on an open letter condemning "Elon's harmful Twitter behavior". It also asks the company to clearly define SpaceX's "no-asshole" and "zero tolerance" policies, which it says is unequally enforced from one employee to the next. The next day, Gwynne Shotwell announced that those employees who were involved with the letter had been terminated

Al Bundy 4eva!

7th April 2023, 15:09

Hey look everybody, Husenberg can spell Elon Musk and type it into Google..both your father's must be so proud!

husaberg

7th April 2023, 23:20

Tesla about to trial FSD beta in China, first major market outside the US to begin trials ( UK has already started testing) my prediction of self driving Teslas in NZ 2024 likely to play out.
Your previous predictions have proven to be pretty shit....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tJ3Pvw1dY4

sugilite

9th April 2023, 00:42

R650R

9th April 2023, 09:51

Watching a couple recent doco’s it occurre to me that musk could just be a tool to cover govt spending. Howard Hughes was used to cover the massive cost of constructing a specialist submarine recovery boat.
China is currently trying to launch its own 30,000 satellite Starlink style Comms coverage network but is very upset having realised USA/Musk has basically stolen all the “bandwidth” available. It seems there should only so much space in space at the appropriate orbital altitudes....
This may or may not have had anything to do with sudden failure of many Starlink satellites burning up.... Maybe Trumps spaceforce idea was right on time....
And let’s not forget the political hot potato that the bottomless pit of funding NASA was.
It makes sense to suddenly have this “amazing” private business running so many things....

R650R

9th April 2023, 09:54

This is what happens when you fuck around bringing a product to market, as in this case - the cyber truck. Somthing far superior gets launched in the meantime...

https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/131709614/american-electric-ute-all-but-confirmed-to-launch-in-new-zealand

Does sound interesting... for those with money

I can’t wait to see John Cardogans analysis of that beefy towing capacity. With that kind of instant torque available I think we’ll see a lot of boats on their sides.
Going to be spectacular at boat ramp when wifey accidently takes the rear end too deep.

sugilite

9th April 2023, 11:36

Does sound interesting... for those with money

I can’t wait to see John Cardogans analysis of that beefy towing capacity. With that kind of instant torque available I think we’ll see a lot of boats on their sides.
Going to be spectacular at boat ramp when wifey accidently takes the rear end too deep.

You had me at too deep in wifeys rear end ;)

pritch

10th April 2023, 14:37

Oh dear. Meanwhile back at Tesla, a major credibility problem.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/300850073/tesla-staff-shared-recordings-from-customers-cars-reuters-says

R650R

10th April 2023, 16:19

Oh dear. Meanwhile back at Tesla, a major credibility problem.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/300850073/tesla-staff-shared-recordings-from-customers-cars-reuters-says

Wow just imagine how convenient that would be for govt agencies. I’ve always maintained the tv show Person of Interest features actual capabilities and this would just be another bow in the arrow.
The next logical step is an AI interface that uses the cams to auto recognise and ticket ALL infringement offences committed by other drivers nearby....

Al Bundy 4eva!

10th April 2023, 16:46

Oh dear. Meanwhile back at Tesla, a major credibility problem.

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Oh dear, Tesla wins best overall luxury brand.. how disappointing, for the haters.

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/cars/news/tesla-wins-best-overall-luxury-brand-again-kelley-blue-book/ar-AA19xVVt?li=AAwnIv4

Al Bundy 4eva!

10th April 2023, 16:56

More great news! Tesla building a Mega factory to produce 10,000 megapacks in China

Once completed, that's likely to add 15 billion in revenue, maybe 5 billion in income.

I'm still waiting for Tesla to go bankrupt or fail or something, but it just doesn't seem to be happening?

Perhaps the investment I made in Musk's company will pay off...or perhaps I should listen to the barely above minimum wage biking community?

Hmmmm decisions decisions...

Al Bundy 4eva!

10th April 2023, 17:04

Looking forward to the Starship launch, it's great to see Musk pushing the boundaries and achieving what he can before he gets assassinated by under acheiving jealous people who have achieved very little in life so choose to hate on others to make themselves feel better about their own sad existence.

Al Bundy 4eva!

10th April 2023, 17:08

Does sound interesting... for those with money

.

Well since you admit you have no money, it doesn't matter what electric trucks are released on the market..

george formby

10th April 2023, 17:39

Oh dear, Tesla wins best overall luxury brand.. how disappointing, for the haters.

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/cars/news/tesla-wins-best-overall-luxury-brand-again-kelley-blue-book/ar-AA19xVVt?li=AAwnIv4

Ah yes, the Brand Image Awards.

I believe their are similar awards for non-dairy coffee whitener and vegan beard oils.

This award is decided my motoring journalists rather than brand identifiers.

World Car of the Year 2023. (https://www.worldcarawards.com/web/eligible_vehicles.asp)

Notice it's an EV Hyundai which totally cleaned up?

Al Bundy 4eva!

10th April 2023, 17:59

Ah yes, the Brand Image Awards.

I believe their are similar awards for non-dairy coffee whitener and vegan beard oils.

This award is decided my motoring journalists rather than brand identifiers.

World Car of the Year 2023. (https://www.worldcarawards.com/web/eligible_vehicles.asp)

Notice it's an EV Hyundai which totally cleaned up?

What's your point? None of those are luxury vehicles, Tesla is a high end brand.

Hyundai lol.. that's like having an award for the best $2 shop , what a joke.

sugilite

10th April 2023, 18:05

Al Bundy 4eva!

10th April 2023, 18:07

Shit, it is almost like you are laying down future cover for yourself - your not thinking about murdering the poor guy are you?

Not with the amount I have invested in Tesla, if he was taken out, the share price would crash.

george formby

10th April 2023, 18:30

What's your point? None of those are luxury vehicles, Tesla is a high end brand.

Hyundai lol.. what a joke.

Tesla, luxury, high end? :laugh: That word brand again, an image. Like Coke makes you look cool..

A Rimac Nevera is high end luxury and performance. Tesla is a US Hyundai. And Hyundai interior plastics fit and feel nice. Easy to get serviced, too.

A bit less lure fishing..

I wonder if EM has factored sanctions into his Chinese plans? Biden is restricting the production of US tech in China and so far Tesla have not responded to questions about the new battery plant.

Be interesting to see how things develop with all this sabre rattling about Taiwan. Also got to factor in the Chinese home brands which are rapidly outselling international competition in many car sectors of their home market.

Laava

10th April 2023, 19:02

Fuxache, someone is gushing today! Take a fucking chill pill bundy, you,re embarrassing yourself. One too many babychams?

Al Bundy 4eva!

10th April 2023, 19:59

One too many babychams?

Yes,

With your wife and Mom's.

husaberg

10th April 2023, 20:21

What's your point? None of those are luxury vehicles, Tesla is a high end brand.

Tesla, which has not been able to achieve price stability recently, continues to play with prices. The company went on sale for the third time in the USA.
US-based electric car maker Tesla has changed the prices of each version of the Model S sedan and Model X crossover several times in the past months. According to the price lists on the company’s website, Tesla made another $5,000 discount on Model S and Model X prices.

Manufacturers of thriving High end brands don't offer multiple discounts on their products, As it underpins the exclusivity, not to mention undermines the resale of those that have bought them at a higher price.
Its odd that you don't know this seeing as you keep preaching how you are a wealthy investor of considerable means (then again its actually isn't as we all know you are are not)

pritch

10th April 2023, 20:24

TheDemonLord

10th April 2023, 20:35

Interesting that it wins and Tesla is not even a luxury car. It shouldn't even be considered. "Follow the money..."

Interesting indeed.

Is Tesla a luxury car? My initial reaction was 'No' - but then when I think of Luxury brands - Lexus, Ze Germans etc. does Tesla compete in that space? A Model 3 is somewhat equivalent to a BMW 3 series - so Maybe?

I mean, it's certainly not a Rolls Royce or a Bentley or something like that.

Is it that we don't think of it as 'Luxury' because it hasn't had time to develop a reputation as being luxury, or is there some other, more objective, standard that needs to be met? e.g. the price-point of the car?

Al Bundy 4eva!

10th April 2023, 20:48

If you gals didn't know Tesla posted a record quarter, this was already priced into the share price when it increased from its lows in January to jump 90%

Now while you all were hating earlier this I bought some more and took some profit last week keep my powder dry...its going to be one of those years,

The reason why many of you are broke is because your brainwashed by believing everything the mainstream media vomits, it keeps you a tax slave, I care not, to have wealthy folk you gotta have broke folks .

TheDemonLord

10th April 2023, 20:58

I care not, to have wealthy folk you gotta have broke folks .

I don't tend to jump into much of what you say - since I have little dog in this game.

However, this line irks me.

This is your classic Zero-sum Marxist Labour theory of Value.

And suffice to say, I disagree with it. There is no reason why the existence of the Wealthy must come at the cost of people who are broke. All we have to do is a little thought experiment:

If it's a Zero-Sum Game, then let's run the experiment: An island experiences a natural disaster that resets everyone to zero - they have lost everything - they have just themselves, no clothes, tools - nothing.

For the labour theory of value (and by extension, your comment) to be true, there is no way for one person to get rich, since they cannot extract the wealth from someone who has none.

Since we know that people can rebuild and acquire wealth after such a disaster, it follows that it's incorrect.

Laava

10th April 2023, 21:06

Yes,

With your wife and Mom's.
This is not even your lamest post today

Al Bundy 4eva!

10th April 2023, 21:24

I don't tend to jump into much of what you say - since I have little dog in this game.

This is your classic Zero-sum Marxist Labour theory of Value.

If it's a Zero-Sum Game, then let's run the experiment:

Fair point, but I'm of the firm belief, that it's very well known in the investment community anyway

That if the top 1% gave everyone on the planet let's say 10 grand

It would eventually find its way back to its original owner through the major corporations and its shareholders eg : Chevron, Macdonald's, Tesla, Apple etc etc because as I stated, the sheep are brainwashed to buy the brands that the 1% control, through mainstream media, a recent example is Tesla just had record sales in China last month, the largest car market on Earth, Xi Ping takes his cut, Elon takes his cut, and so does Al Bundy.

And although Tesla doesn't advertise, Elon Musk proudly gloats about how much free advertising he gets from the opposition and all the haters, hell even those on this site are far more knowledgeable about Tesla simply by arguing with me...free advertising swallowed by the sheep on this forum

Musk is brilliant!

R650R

10th April 2023, 23:08

Fair point, but I'm of the firm belief, that it's very well known in the investment community anyway

That if the top 1% gave everyone on the planet let's say 10 grand

It would eventually find its way back to its original owner through the major corporations and its shareholders eg : Chevron, Macdonald's, Tesla, Apple etc etc because as I stated, the sheep are brainwashed to buy the brands that the 1% control, through mainstream media, a recent example is Tesla just had record sales in China last month, the largest car market on Earth, Xi Ping takes his cut, Elon takes his cut, and so does Al Bundy.

And although Tesla doesn't advertise, Elon Musk proudly gloats about how much free advertising he gets from the opposition and all the haters, hell even those on this site are far more knowledgeable about Tesla simply by arguing with me...free advertising swallowed by the sheep on this forum

Musk is brilliant!

85% of the worlds 8 Billion population are in third world countries. A lot of those people would just burn the actual cash notes for heating never mind spend it.
In our country the govt will take 24-33% in tax straight away then another 15% gst soon as you spend it, good luck getting it back lol
Tesla shares pays no dividend so no cut for you until you sell

Al Bundy 4eva!

10th April 2023, 23:16

Tesla posted a record quarter, share price when it increased from its lows in January to jump 90%

Now while you all were hating earlier this I bought some more and took some profit last week keep my powder dry...its going to be one of those years,

R650R you need to pay attention if you want to get educated, dividends are for old people .

Al Bundy 4eva!

10th April 2023, 23:22

85% of the worlds 8 Billion population are in third world countries. A lot of those people would just burn the actual cash notes for heating never mind spend it.
In our country the govt will take 24-33% in tax straight away then another 15% gst soon as you spend it, good luck getting it back lol
Tesla shares pays no dividend so no cut for you until you sell

I was wrong previously, this is definitely the dumbest quote I have read since joining this forum, seriously just read what it says and think about it for a hot minute..some of you bikers are just not that...well I did say some, dear God some of you are dumb, sorry I just has to get that off my chest..sorry Hahahaha Hahahaha Hahahaha!!!
I need some time out from you guys, I feel my brain cells diminishing reading some of your posts..bye!

R650R

11th April 2023, 07:04

I was wrong previously, this is definitely the dumbest quote I have read since joining this forum, seriously just read what it says and think about it for a hot minute..some of you bikers are just not that...well I did say some, dear God some of you are dumb, sorry I just has to get that off my chest..sorry Hahahaha Hahahaha Hahahaha!!!
I need some time out from you guys, I feel my brain cells diminishing reading some of your posts..bye!

I knew that would be too much for you. How about we get a virtual 10k and we tell you where we spend it????

Al Bundy 4eva!

11th April 2023, 07:32

I knew that would be too much for you. How about we get a virtual 10k and we tell you where we spend it????

Let me explain, even if in this theoretical situation, we decide to tax the gifted 10k, what happens to the tax? Perhaps it goes to a dole bludger , a nurse, teacher or a red head politician... they still end up spending it on MacDonalds or a Tesla, even if they decide to pay down debt, the debt likely came from wholesale rates, bond's owned by the US banks who are the 1%

A garage sale, or kids brownie stand at a school gala, plumber, builder, bike mechanic they end up eventually buying something owned by the 1%, and it's international corporation's, the money always finds its way back to its original master, like the one ring finding it's master Sauron.

No matter what you buy, that money will find it's way eventually to the top 1% of all wealth holder's.

...it always returns to its original owner, Always.

TheDemonLord

11th April 2023, 07:59

FJRider

11th April 2023, 08:17

85% of the worlds 8 Billion population are in third world countries. A lot of those people would just burn the actual cash notes for heating never mind spend it.
In our country the govt will take 24-33% in tax straight away then another 15% gst soon as you spend it, good luck getting it back lol
Tesla shares pays no dividend so no cut for you until you sell

In some of those third world countries ... they may as well burn it ... you might get the (NZ) value of a Big Mac for a wheelbarrow of cash notes ... :shifty:

I've retired now ... on a pension (with a pay rise too) ... and STILL paying tax. I see it as a sort of return ... on tax I've paid in the past ... :laugh:

Al Bundy 4eva!

11th April 2023, 08:43

Al Bundy 4eva!

11th April 2023, 08:47

I don't disagree with the statement 'if everyone was given 10 grand...' for the most part - but the reason why that is the case is not the same as 'to have rich people, you need poor people'.

It's a subtle, but IMO very important difference.
All scenarios , my 10 grand scenario, your island scenario,R650R weird burning money scenario is not real, I live and invest in the real world which is why I retired far to young for the system that needs it's tax slaves.

Al Bundy 4eva!

11th April 2023, 09:01

And although Tesla doesn't advertise, Elon Musk proudly gloats about how much free advertising he gets from the opposition and all the haters, hell even those on this site are far more knowledgeable about Tesla simply by arguing with me...free advertising swallowed by the sheep on this forum

Musk is brilliant!

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1645505334453125124?t=HzKDsgW9ZyCy7Hz74uPZ0g&s=19

mashman

11th April 2023, 09:27

I knew that would be too much for you. How about we get a virtual 10k and we tell you where we spend it????

It's pretty simple logic given that they've been in business for centuries and essentially built the entire knowledge base for the system, as well as lent out every single dime being the only people rich enough to create and back banks and develop oil and guide general human development into the future. The money always flows back to them... tis unavoidable. If you burn it, they'll charge someone else for it. The entire system is designed/throttled to ensure that that very thing happens. Simple economics. And really? Them third world folks iz just so dumb, they don't realise the value of the money and wouldn't think to trade it with someone they know who does? I can see why Bundy has you over a barrel.

R650R

11th April 2023, 09:44

Let me explain, even if in this theoretical situation, we decide to tax the gifted 10k, what happens to the tax? Perhaps it goes to a dole bludger , a nurse, teacher or a red head politician... they still end up spending it on MacDonalds or a Tesla, even if they decide to pay down debt, the debt likely came from wholesale rates, bond's owned by the US banks who are the 1%

A garage sale, or kids brownie stand at a school gala, plumber, builder, bike mechanic they end up eventually buying something owned by the 1%, and it's international corporation's, the money always finds its way back to its original master, like the one ring finding it's master Sauron.

No matter what you buy, that money will find it's way eventually to the top 1% of all wealth holder's.

...it always returns to its original owner, Always.

I forgot to mention govts burn money too lol

I see now your original argument falls down you resort to talking about the fiat based central banking system. No matter what happens both systems of helicopter money cause inflation and devalue the dollar. So no matter what circuitous route it takes the original lender never gets their original 10k back as it’s devalued and no longer worth ten k even if they did get a full ten k back. Charging fees via Interest is not getting the original money back, it’s creating new money that devalues the original money.
Your concept makes the top 1% sound infinitely wealthy but we can tell by their investment decisions it’s not a perpetual positive return on all money spent otherwise the likes of Trump would never go bankrupt and Elon wouldn’t need to sell shares destroying value of gis business to fund next scam.

mashman

11th April 2023, 09:50

It's not a return, you paid tax your entire working life, now your paying Tax on your pension?wtf? all that money is going back to the global corporations, the 1% and it's investors.. like me so thanks anyway.

It is a return, of sorts. His pension was invested and grew over the years with him not putting all of that money into it. He has received a capital gain. One that looks to be taxed, so long as oil, gas, weapons etc... perform well in the market... as well as there being enough people in general investing and spending to keep the money flowing for those industries. Tis one of the reasons why Musky squeals like a stuck pig when you mention the falling birthrate. If ya ain't go no workers, pensions will be one of the first things to fall.

Al Bundy 4eva!

11th April 2023, 11:20

^^I was referring to the taxed income over ones working life and his tax slave job, investing for the future is wise, unfortunately the middle man takes a huge amount of it, It's far better to learn how to invest your self.

Basic SP 500 is a simple investment, has had an average return of 8% since the war or something like that, you don't need an expensive fund manager taking a huge chunk of your retirement just to basically invest into the SP500 or China and Australia with a little bit of cash and bonds, it ain't rocket science

As for Musk and the population decline, I doubt he's worried about workers, Artificial intelligence and Tesla bot is likely to take over most of his workers and your jobs, it's going to happen a lot faster than people think, many mega cap companies like Microsoft, Google are developing the technology to make the working human obsolete.

mashman

11th April 2023, 17:57

As for Musk and the population decline, I doubt he's worried about workers, Artificial intelligence and Tesla bot is likely to take over most of his workers and your jobs, it's going to happen a lot faster than people think, many mega cap companies like Microsoft, Google are developing the technology to make the working human obsolete.

Of course he's worried about workers. I can see why you're just an investor. No workers = no consumers = bad share price = you needing to get a real job ;)... but yeah, tech can put most of us out of work at the expense of the entire economy. Goooooo smart guys.

Al Bundy 4eva!

11th April 2023, 18:15

but yeah, tech can put most of us out of work at the expense of the entire economy. Goooooo smart guys.

Yes but here's the kicker

The more people out of work is actually another win for the 1%

Higher unemployment is deflationary, this drive's down the cost of product's

It also forces central banks to lower interest rates to try and keep the economy alive through debt and money printing, this rewards those with debt and high growth tech companies like Tesla who rely on next decades profit margins to help them grow today

Basically means, I invest in Tesla today if you return me a profit when I choose to sell my shares in X amount of years

So a weak economy, high unemployment is good for Tech companies, that's why many are investing billions into artificial intelligence, automation and robots.

It always pays to be ahead of the game

None of this affects me, I left the workforce in my late 30s, my networth is growing and more than enough to see me through to the day I die, most likely my adult kids as well should I choose

As for the rest of you, my forecast are blurry, I see doubt and confusion about your working futures.

sugilite

11th April 2023, 19:34

Pretty sure when the USA and China go at it you will be fucked right along with the rest of us :sunny:

pete376403

11th April 2023, 19:54

who buys the product that the machines are making, if there are no paid workers?
Henry Ford was smart enough to pay his workers over the average, as he realised he needed someone to buy the cars they were making.
When there are enough unpaid ex-workers, how long will it be before the 1%ers are hanging from lamp-posts?

mashman

11th April 2023, 19:56

Yes but here's the kicker

The more people out of work is actually another win for the 1%

Higher unemployment is deflationary, this drive's down the cost of product's

It also forces central banks to lower interest rates to try and keep the economy alive through debt and money printing, this rewards those with debt and high growth tech companies like Tesla who rely on next decades profit margins to help them grow today

Basically means, I invest in Tesla today if you return me a profit when I choose to sell my shares in X amount of years

So a weak economy, high unemployment is good for Tech companies, that's why many are investing billions into artificial intelligence, automation and robots.

It always pays to be ahead of the game

None of this affects me, I left the workforce in my late 30s, my networth is growing and more than enough to see me through to the day I die, most likely my adult kids as well should I choose

As for the rest of you, my forecast are blurry, I see doubt and confusion about your working futures.

Absolutely. That's how things work... except driving the cost of products down. That's a temporary thing related to inflation, a market confidence trick, and not a real-world thing as people try recouping costs to offset brief loss of custom/cost rises though pay increases to meet COL demands/R&D costs, and so on... prices that were already rising before Covid in a field of low interest and inflation, but hey. Musky knows what AI is capable of (hence his tears), as that level of replacement does not turn out in a, that's just how things work kinda way... but hey, there may be another go on the merrygoround if the tears are listened to (which is likely)... and you're obviously well positioned so it's all good either way. Just get yer squllions out before 'they' get it :shifty:

husaberg

11th April 2023, 20:31

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BOTk5ZjYyZTMtYzYwOC00NmJiLTk1OGQtZTMxY2I1YWQ3Zj JmXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyNzU1NzE3NTg@._V1_QL75_UX500_CR0, 47,500,281_.jpg

sugilite

12th April 2023, 07:19

I mean, some of these antics are funny. Does not change my mind that Musk on some level wants twitter to die.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/04/10/tech/elon-musk-twitter-antics-turnaround/index.html

Al Bundy 4eva!

12th April 2023, 08:11

When there are enough unpaid ex-workers, how long will it be before the 1%ers are hanging from lamp-posts?

Remember what happened when the world locked down during covaids March 2020 and you couldn't work ?

They printed all the worthless fiat money you needed, and paid you to stay home

Who benefited from this?

The share market and those that hold the assets .

You are all likely to receive a universal basic income, but don't be fooled, you will now never be able to get ahead if this happens, you simply exist, nothing more, nothing less while a Tesla bot does your manual job or AI does your desk job.

I recommend you start preparing now, life will be very different 2030 onwards..

pete376403

12th April 2023, 09:11

Remember what happened when the world locked down during covaids March 2020 and you couldn't work ?

They printed all the worthless fiat money you needed, and paid you to stay home

Who benefited from this?

The share market and those that hold the assets .

You are all likely to receive a universal basic income, but don't be fooled, you will now never be able to get ahead if this happens, you simply exist, nothing more, nothing less while a Tesla bot does your manual job or AI does your desk job.

I recommend you start preparing now, life will be very different 2030 onwards..

I dont really expect to live much beyond 2030 so no too worried. Shit will get very real for my kids and grandkids, though, fully aware of that. But you didn't answer my question - if people are getting by on "survival-level" benefits/incomes, who is going to be buying all the wonderful products that tesla-bots are churning out? Will the world be like pre-revolution Russia? Unaffordable Faberge eggs while the serfs starve? Look how well that worked out for the wealthy of the day, Or pre-revolution France? Lots of wealthy people lost their heads along with their riches. People will only put up with vast inequality for so long when there is nothing else to loose.

SaferRides

12th April 2023, 11:18

What's your point? None of those are luxury vehicles, Tesla is a high end brand.

Hyundai lol.. that's like having an award for the best $2 shop , what a joke.Have you driven one?

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Al Bundy 4eva!

12th April 2023, 11:23

Al Bundy 4eva!

12th April 2023, 11:50

, Or pre-revolution France? nothing else to loose.

Revolution? Please don't make me laugh!

Most of you Muppets were quite content to bow your head's to Cindy and do exactly what she said during covaids, you were all terrified of catching a cold! and you honestly think the sheep of NZ are going to have a revolution? lol.

Most men today are feminised, and some on this site proudly boast about having sex with cabin boys.

pete376403

12th April 2023, 11:50

Replying to Pete376403:

You don't buy anything, at best you are likely to have subscription like netflix, Microsoft word, Adobe, fans only page or sky or MotoGP subscription , for example you will need a Tesla robo taxi subscription for transport, because you don't have a job that a Tesla bot or AI had replaced your slow human ass, your likely to or your kids in your case are likely to be paying for it through their universal basic income, keep an eye on central bank digital currency or CBDC, all central bank's and our RBNZ is creating one, this will is how they will pay your adult kids , a UBI.

I'm trying to protect my wealth so I remain in the top 5% or my kid's do, you have access to that club, you will have more freedoms .

So how does elon make money off this or are his intentions purely altruistic? Who is buying the teslas from him - the same central bank that is paying people a universal benefit to use the tesla taxi? While in you scheme there is still a wealthy minority, can't see them being too happy about being taxed by the central bank just to support the other 95%

pete376403

12th April 2023, 11:54

Revolution? Please don't make me laugh!

Most of you Muppets were quite content to bow your head's to Cindy and do exactly what she said during covaids, you honestly think the sheep of NZ are going to have a revolution lol.

The covid restriction were nothing compared to what you see as the future, but even so, there was a bit of revolutionary fervour going on. When the situation is many hundreds of time worse and enough people dont like it, things may happen. Not in my lifetime but never say never. You're probably too young to have seen the Sam Neill movie "Sleeping Dogs"

Al Bundy 4eva!

12th April 2023, 12:03

So how does elon make money off this or are his intentions purely altruistic? Who is buying the teslas from him - the same central bank that is paying people a universal benefit to use the tesla taxi? While in you scheme there is still a wealthy minority, can't see them being too happy about being taxed by the central bank just to support the other 95%

Let me explain..

If Tesla/Musk solve Autonomous cars

You DON'T sell that technology

You keep it to yourself

You control the entire developed worlds automated driving, Tesla/Musk then have a monopoly on the transport system.

Similar to the Saudis controlling Oil supply or landlords like myself having a monopoly over rental income.

Now add the Tesla bot to the equation, controlling the physical work force or Chat GP controlling all office jobs...are you starting to see what's coming, your more than welcome to Pooh pooh it .. until it's too late.

Al Bundy 4eva!

12th April 2023, 12:13

pete376403

12th April 2023, 17:01

Things happen to individuals who threaten the power and control of governments. US, Russia, China are all alike in this regard. Musk has influence but hasn't actually INVENTED anything, there's no technology that would cease to exist if he wasn't around.

Al Bundy 4eva!

12th April 2023, 19:49

Elon Musk just destroyed a BBC journalist

Usually the person getting interviewed storms off set, it was the interviewer that left the interview early!

Interviewer was programmed with an agenda and just got schooled like dumb arses on this site..

Mainstream media is a dying joke..

husaberg

12th April 2023, 20:29

Don't believe me?

It not likely that anyone of KB does, You have been shown to be full of excrement on that many occasions its not even funny.
But feel free to carry on as it shows just how tragic you life must be.
I might think Musk is a tool, but at least he's genuinely successful rather then just making up shit continually on a Motorcycle site.

But i digress, Musk is at the mercy of the SEC hes not all powerful he's he cant even tweet without it being looked at first by his tesla lawyer.
It's highly likely if he gets charged and found guilty a relating to securities fraud he will get locked up.
He was even forced to step down as Teslas chairman for 3 years, that doesn't sound like a person the US GOVT should be scared of.

R650R

13th April 2023, 00:28

Let me explain..

If Tesla/Musk solve Autonomous cars

Haven’t you told us a million times they already have???
Autonomous vehicles are a legal/insurance nightmare.Aside from that there is a need for uniform roaring infrastructure and layout. Even in industrial warehouses this type of gear has issues and that seems a closed environment.
The key to future transport is mass transport systems, namely buses and trains. Personal vehicle ownership will become a thing of the past.

R650R

13th April 2023, 00:34

Don't believe me?

The US government is afraid of Musk but they need him

He has a monopoly over several several advancements the US government need to keep ahead of China and the East.

Musk has a monopoly on EVs

The government needs this

Musk has a monopoly on space logistics and rockets

The government needs this

Musk controls Twitter

The government uses Twitter to spread their messages, Twitter reaches billions of users and the government needs this

and Tesla is so far ahead in Autonomous driving, they are only a 24 months away from beginning to mass produce the Tesla Bot? Seriously, you don't see what's coming?

Now Musk just had a meeting with the 2 I C of China?

Worried yet?

Wtf? Musk is becoming more powerful than those in power

Making sense now?

Don’t let facts get in way of a baseless rant aye???

Does not have monopoly there are many ev makers....

Space progranms, ever hear of NASA, Rocket lab (NZ!!!!), Russia China India having functioning space programs.

Govts DONT need Twitter it’s a passing fad and could be replaced instantly by any new service. It’s only point of difference is brand identity.

Al Bundy 4eva!

13th April 2023, 01:44

Don’t let facts get in way of a baseless rant aye???

Does not have monopoly there are many ev makers....

Space progranms, ever hear of NASA, Rocket lab (NZ!!!!), Russia China India having functioning space programs.

Govts DONT need Twitter it’s a passing fad and could be replaced instantly by any new service. It’s only point of difference is brand identity.

1- Tesla is the EV market, Teslas recent price cuts is killing the competition, other EV manufacturers don't have the margins to cut like Tesla, why would anyone pay more for an inferior product? =monopoly

2-Nasa contracts most of its missions to SpaceX, SpaceX has a monopoly because they are the only rocket company that can re use the rockets,hundreds of millions cheaper than other rocket designers like Boeing, and Jeff Bezos hasn't even to space after a decade plus of trying ( I mean real space, not floating around in the earth's upper atmosphere lol) anyone else is just admiring and pretending to be SpaceX =monopoly

3- If governments/ media don't need Twitter then why do they use it?

I can do this all day, but I'm wasting my time, nobody on this site is anywhere near my knowledge base (unless they Google something, or have a link to some unknown YouTuber)

Good bye poor broke people!! I love you all!(not really just Husenberg)

sugilite

13th April 2023, 07:06

Isn't this like his second goodbye post in the last 48 hours?
What a shameless tease :laugh:

R650R

13th April 2023, 08:18

Isn't this like his second goodbye post in the last 48 hours?
What a shameless tease :laugh:

Attention whores are worse than meth addicts there’s no hope lol

R650R

13th April 2023, 08:26

1- Tesla is the EV market, Teslas recent price cuts is killing the competition, other EV manufacturers don't have the margins to cut like Tesla, why would anyone pay more for an inferior product? =monopoly

2-Nasa contracts most of its missions to SpaceX, SpaceX has a monopoly because they are the only rocket company that can re use the rockets,hundreds of millions cheaper than other rocket designers like Boeing, and Jeff Bezos hasn't even to space after a decade plus of trying ( I mean real space, not floating around in the earth's upper atmosphere lol) anyone else is just admiring and pretending to be SpaceX =monopoly

3- If governments/ media don't need Twitter then why do they use it?

I can do this all day, but I'm wasting my time, nobody on this site is anywhere near my knowledge base (unless they Google something, or have a link to some unknown YouTuber)

Good bye poor broke people!! I love you all!(not really just Husenberg)

Go back to the shoe store bundie... even a high school dropout should understand the true definition of monopoly.
You talk about everyone here being broke in the coming reset while you are rich enough to ride it out. I think in your dreams to be successful in a capitalist world you have failed to research how the Connie/Marxist takeover will work, so I’ll spell it out for you.
At the moment we have a super wealthy 1%, under a commie system there will be a super wealthy 0.0001% and everyone else has nothing, just varying levels of privilege/freedoms as rewards. I doubt you will be close enough to bill gates style wealth to be saved. Shares and all companies will be commandeered by the state. You will own nothing.
What is your alleged net worth? Feel free to round to nearest 10 or 100 million

pete376403

13th April 2023, 17:08

Go back to the shoe store bundie... even a high school dropout should understand the true definition of monopoly.
You talk about everyone here being broke in the coming reset while you are rich enough to ride it out. I think in your dreams to be successful in a capitalist world you have failed to research how the Connie/Marxist takeover will work, so I’ll spell it out for you.
At the moment we have a super wealthy 1%, under a commie system there will be a super wealthy 0.0001% and everyone else has nothing, just varying levels of privilege/freedoms as rewards. I doubt you will be close enough to bill gates style wealth to be saved. Shares and all companies will be commandeered by the state. You will own nothing.
What is your alleged net worth? Feel free to round to nearest 10 or 100 million

Bill Gates has probably lost more change down the back of the couch than this sap claims is his wealth.

george formby

13th April 2023, 18:06

Bill Gates has probably lost more change down the back of the couch than this sap claims is his wealth.

I do believe Melinda took the couch as part of the divorce settlement.

Laava

13th April 2023, 18:57

Isn't this like his second goodbye post in the last 48 hours?
What a shameless tease :laugh:
He likes the sound of his own voice/keystrokes too much to just leave. Shame tho.
Who would have thought we have own own super successful and uber wealthy genius right here on KB! And he has so much spare time he can post endlessly about himself! Shame he has to go…

sugilite

13th April 2023, 19:12

And he had only just recently been alerted to his Marxist ways by tdl. That is the kb equivalent of earning a yellow belt in karate.

TheDemonLord

13th April 2023, 20:05

And he had only just recently been alerted to his Marxist ways by tdl. That is the kb equivalent of earning a yellow belt in karate.

One can be a capitalist and still quote Marxist concepts...

pritch

15th April 2023, 10:42

Good bye poor broke people!!

Praise the Lord.

nerrrd

15th April 2023, 10:51

I'm guessing he'll be back soon, assuming SpaceX have a successful Starship launch this week. I'd still prefer a successful launch, even so.

https://www.spacex.com/launches/mission/?missionId=starship-flight-test

SpaceX is targeting as soon as Monday, April 17 for the first flight test of a fully integrated Starship and Super Heavy rocket from Starbase in Texas. The 150-minute test window will open at 7:00 a.m. CT.

If it all blows up, might be a bit longer.

Laava

15th April 2023, 11:01

I'm guessing he'll be back soon, .
Like a turd that just wont flush…

R650R

15th April 2023, 19:38

So I watched the bbc interview well some of it. All musk did was behave like some chubby autistic kid being pedantic about minor points.
Seriously he needs some gym time there’s truck drivers out there with slimmer waistlines than that.

Al Bundy 4eva!

16th April 2023, 07:58

Al Bundy 4eva!

16th April 2023, 08:02

^^^Unmasking Elon Musk early 2023...

KB peasants:

"Tesla is dead!!!"

Reality :

"Tesla has record first quarter 2023"

Al Bundy:

Lol.

Laava

16th April 2023, 08:14

Quick, we need a plunger!!!

Al Bundy 4eva!

16th April 2023, 08:18

Quick, we need a plunger!!! I'd recommend more fibre or add some prune juice to your diet, this should help with your toilet blockage.

Al Bundy's always here to help give advice to poor peasants!

Laava

16th April 2023, 12:29

Our local fanboi alBummy should get one of these! And hook his flappy lips up to it! That'd be a twofer!
https://youtu.be/oQwd7ygDAD4

https://youtu.be/oQwd7ygDAD4

R650R

16th April 2023, 18:13

Profit margins on every $100 spent making a vehicle ice or ev

For you dummies, for every $100 Tesla spends it grosses $115.60 or $15.60 return

The new opposition like Rivian run a negative loss of -$407.2 for every $100 spent

Ice gas guzzlers have to cannibalize their own profits on their gas powered cars to fund their money losing ev fleet.

FERRARI $18.2
TESLA $15.6
BMW $12.6
MERCEDES $9.5
TOYOTA $9.1
MAHINDRA $7.9
GM $6.5
HONDA $4.9
FORD $4.8
BYD $4.3
NISSAN $2

TATA - $4.3
NIO - $29.8
LUCID - $214.5
RIVIAN - $407.2

Gross return on investment is not profit. There’s will be other costs taxes and losses. Tesla makes money by selling carbon credits as all its manufacturing is EV, however this loophole won’t last forever.
Elon makes his big dollars by hyping share price with vapourware promises

Al Bundy 4eva!

16th April 2023, 19:57

Gross return on investment is not profit. There’s will be other costs taxes and losses. Tesla makes money by selling carbon credits as all its manufacturing is EV, however this loophole won’t last forever.
Elon makes his big dollars by hyping share price with vapourware promises

Yeah I never really understood this argument about carbon credits, last time I checked it was only 3% of total revenue so most analyst including myself don't bother adding it to Teslas earnings forcast

Anyway, if you own a farm,oil company or whatever that's carbon negative you buy the credits of Tesla or similar companies to stay operational

What's the big deal, it's just another tax that can be avoided by becoming more compliant? Perhaps Solar roofs, electrify your vehicle fleet or whatever, the point is, if you can't be bothered then buy some off Tesla..so what?

P.S I didn't say gross return was profit, the list shows the return on every $100 spent by these car companies, obviously gross loses are in the $100.

Rivian, what a joke, that company shares are down -90%

Spends 100 bucks and makes a loss of -$407...me finks bankruptcy around the corner lol

The only thing that can save these negative cashflow companies is praying that the Fed starts lowering interest rates so debt can keep them on life support..

husaberg

16th April 2023, 20:10

Yeah I never really understood this argument about carbon credits, last time I checked it was only 3% of total revenue so most analyst including myself don't bother adding it to Teslas earnings forcast

.

https://www.autoweek.com/news/green-cars/a36266393/tesla-made-more-money-selling-credits-and-bitcoin-than-cars/
:laugh::msn-wink::innocent::facepalm::niceone:

Tesla Made More Money Selling Credits and Bitcoin Than Cars
Tesla’s bitcoin bet paid off, while Model S and Model X production came to a halt in the first quarter of 2021.

Emissions credits accounted for $518 million in revenue in a quarter that saw a pretax income of $533 million and a net income of $438 million on a GAAP basis. Needless to say, the credits account for almost the entirety of Tesla's profit for this quarter—in fact, sales of emissions credits have been a major source of revenue for Tesla for quite some time, contributing to hundreds of millions in income for the past few quarters. The automaker accumulates regulatory credits because it produces only EVs and sells them for a profit to other automakers that are short of these credits.

Al Bundy 4eva!

16th April 2023, 21:13

https://www.autoweek.com/news/green-cars/a36266393/tesla-made-more-money-selling-credits-and-bitcoin-than-cars/
:laugh::msn-wink::innocent::facepalm::niceone:

1- Your article is from 2021, it's 2023

2- Tesla earned just under $54 billion in the fiscal year for 2021 which is why I don't bother including the measly $500 million in carbon credits for my Tesla financial forcasts

3- Your a dummy.

AL BUNDY HAS SPOKEN!!!...all shall worship my greatness!!! Al Bundy has spokennnn....

husaberg

16th April 2023, 21:47

1- Your article is from 2021, it's 2023

2- Tesla earned just under $54 billion in the fiscal year for 2021 which is why I don't bother including the measly $500 million in carbon credits for my Tesla financial forcasts

3- Your a dummy.

AL BUNDY HAS SPOKEN!!!...all shall worship my greatness!!! Al Bundy has spokennnn....

Only issues is your quote of 3% was actually from 2021....
oh knows....

According to Tesla's 2021 financial report, its carbon credit revenue accounted for only 3% of its total revenue, which is 3% less than that in 2020. This shows that Tesla is becoming less dependent on carbon credit revenue.

The figure below shows Tesla's carbon credit revenue from 2018 to 2021. It nearly tripled between 2019 to 2020. In 2021, it brought Tesla nearly US$1.5 billion in revenue, slightly lower than that in 2020.
When Tesla No Longer Benefits from Carbon Credits Fiat Chrysler has been Tesla's largest carbon trading customer for the past three years. From 2019 to 2021, Fiat Chrysler spent US$2.4 billion (around NT$66.8 billion) on buying carbon credits from Tesla. In other words, Fiat Chrysler has accounted for nearly all of Tesla's recent revenue from carbon trading. In 2021, the shareholders approved the merge of the two major automakers, Fiat Chrysler and Peugeot Citroen. They will use Peugeot Citroen's EV technology to meet the requirements of the EU carbon emissions regulations and will no longer need to buy additional carbon credits. This is true for not just Fiat Chrysler. As major automakers pursue the development of EV technology, carbon credit profits from selling electric vehicles will decline increasingly.

Ps if your going to say you're a dummy spell it right, bozo and Austgtr used to make the same mistake....

sugilite

16th April 2023, 23:39

Arsestinger! I was trying to remember that name just the other day. I saw mr goodbye use these symbols ^^ when replying to someones post without quoting them and I immediately thought it was the returnof ole arsestinger.
So now he is reborn as a smart, wealthy business tycoon with the trolling skills of a three year old. Tracks about right.

Laava

16th April 2023, 23:50

Well he's definately not Boner! Boner would always try to hit on all the hetero men. Maybe the out of reachness was appealing to him?

Al Bundy 4eva!

17th April 2023, 16:30

Biking community , please join me

Let us pray..

Please God, don't let Starship explode tomorrow, this will likely dump Teslas share price and I could lose hundreds of thousands in capital

Amen.

R650R

17th April 2023, 18:21

Biking community , please join me

Let us pray..

Please God, don't let Starship explode tomorrow, this will likely dump Teslas share price and I could lose hundreds of thousands in capital

Amen.

Is this the rocket that is supposed to land vertically on mars/moon unable to unload its meagrely payload stored at top of rocket lol check out thunderfoots video

husaberg

17th April 2023, 18:34

Al Bundy 4eva!

18th April 2023, 13:29

So what's the going rate on imaginary shares?

I trade on the derivatives market

I buy call options contracts to own Tesla shares at a cheaper price in the future.

This strategy only works if Tesla or Elon Musk achieve their annual targets, if they don't, my contracts to own Tesla shares expire worthless.

I usually include put options, these are an insurance that protect me if Tesla fails, yes I own contracts that bet against Tesla

The put options protected me when Tesla share price dumped earlier this year.

I'm an advanced, 6 foot 3inch, handsome wealthy investor

Did I mention I ride motorcycles?

I can make your wives worship my greatness..

R650R

18th April 2023, 14:34

I trade on the derivatives market

I buy call options contracts to own Tesla shares at a cheaper price in the future.

This strategy only works if Tesla or Elon Musk achieve their annual targets, if they don't, my contracts to own Tesla shares expire worthless.

I usually include put options, these are an insurance that protect me if Tesla fails, yes I own contracts that bet against Tesla

The put options protected me when Tesla share price dumped earlier this year.

I'm an advanced, 6 foot 3inch, handsome wealthy investor

Did I mention I ride motorcycles?

I can make your wives worship my greatness..

You can’t have a dollar each way life’s not that easy.
In which years did Tesla meet its targets????

Al Bundy 4eva!

18th April 2023, 14:55

You canÂ’t have a dollar each way lifeÂ’s not that easy.
In which years did Tesla meet its targets????

When you trade in the derivative market, if you buy a call option contract for Tesla stock to cost $200 per share, I buy 100 shares at $100 per share each, the contract cost $1000

If it doesn't reach $200 buy a set date, I'll lose my $1000

If I buy 100 Tesla put option contract for Tesla shares to fall to $100 per share, I can buy those shares for $100 each , if it doesn't fall by a set date, I lose the $1000

Either way, I'm likely to lose the $1000 on either the put or call contract, If the share price stays flat, I'll lose $1000 X 2... The only way I make profit is when I buy the Tesla stock at a cheaper price, it's why I don't follow mainstream media that hate on Tesla or watch anti Elon you tube clips, I follow the actual Tesla financials which get audited by US tax authorities every quarter.

Tesla target is for 50% year on year growth ( key word on average), some years Tesla will have 80% growth some years will be 40% growth, on average Elon Musk says 50% growth target

Tesla just had a record first quarter

It's why I'm rich bitches ..yussss! USA! USA! USA!

Al Bundy 4eva!

18th April 2023, 15:16

Biking community , please join me

Let us pray..

Please God, don't let Starship explode tomorrow, this will likely dump Teslas share price and I could lose hundreds of thousands in capital

Amen.

Even though the Starship launch was delayed, this is a success for Tesla stock

Because Starship didn't explode!

Well done Elon, well done, the KB community congratulates you..

onearmedbandit

18th April 2023, 15:19

the KB community congratulates you..

Dude...you're discussing this with half a dozen people, most just don't care.

Al Bundy 4eva!

18th April 2023, 15:26

Dude...you're discussing this with half a dozen people, most just don't care.
So long as you care one arm bandit, that's all that matters, all that matters...

But for real

I tried to say goodbye, but the KB community keeps trolling me back in and I take the bait all the time!

sugilite

20th April 2023, 16:41

I would imagine this would be quite a significant loss for twitter.

https://mashable.com/article/microsoft-drops-twitter-from-advertising-platform

husaberg

20th April 2023, 16:49

So long as you care one arm bandit, that's all that matters, all that matters...

But for real

I tried to say goodbye,

Why limit it to here, You really should start an "i am leaving Kb thread"

SaferRides

21st April 2023, 03:23

Even though the Starship launch was delayed, this is a success for Tesla stock

Because Starship didn't explode!

Well done Elon, well done, the KB community congratulates you..

Slightly premature?

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2023/apr/20/elon-musks-spacex-launches-test-flight-for-rocket-that-could-bring-people-to-mars?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

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sugilite

21st April 2023, 04:51

All part of testing new technologies, but the " Starship experienced a rapid unscheduled disassembly before stage separation,” quote was pretty hilarious :laugh:

nerrrd

21st April 2023, 04:56

It is rocket science, after all. There’s no guarantee they’ll ever be able to get it working reliably.

By all accounts though, it was a pretty good first step. But then they would say that so as to not upset NASA and the shareholders.

nerrrd

21st April 2023, 07:19

All part of testing new technologies, but the " Starship experienced a rapid unscheduled disassembly before stage separation,” quote was pretty hilarious :laugh:

An 'RUD' (Rapid Unscheduled Disassembly) is apparently a standard industry term. I believe they may have used the 'FTS' (Flight Termination System) to blow it up when it went out of control.

TheDemonLord

21st April 2023, 07:49

All part of testing new technologies, but the " Starship experienced a rapid unscheduled disassembly before stage separation,” quote was pretty hilarious :laugh:

The graphics on KSP2 really have come a long way...

Al Bundy 4eva!

21st April 2023, 12:43

That was badass seeing the sky tower lift off the ground, I think they said they had 9 more ready to go?, I vaguely remember Musk saying Space X is building 2 raptor engines every 6 month's? I'd expect more exploding sky towers until they nail it!, the funding is coming from the successful space x payload deliveries, I think they are sending equipment to space twice a week ?

God I wanna go die on Mars next decade or so,!..who the fuck wants to die of old age in NZ..

husaberg

21st April 2023, 13:39

God I wanna go die on Mars next decade or so,.

Are you looking to crowd fund a one way trip

Musk can't guarantee though you will make it 4 minutes in his rockets. But i doubt you have ever last 4 minutes with anyone.

Even though the Starship launch was delayed, this is a success for Tesla stock

Because Starship didn't explode!

Well done Elon, well done, the KB community congratulates you..
well you certainly buggered that prediction as well.

pete376403

21st April 2023, 13:41

onearmedbandit

21st April 2023, 13:51

And the payloads on the ones that explode? how do they feel about paying for non-delivery?

Actually their success rate is quite strong, sure the development rockets suffer RUD's but that's part of development. They wouldn't be used by so many companies if the risk outweighed the rewards.

Al Bundy 4eva!

21st April 2023, 15:40

The future is looking bright!

Al Bundy 4eva!

21st April 2023, 16:40

Oh Husenberg, to see the world through your eyes is to see the world with no future..

SaferRides

21st April 2023, 22:05

Oh Husenberg, to see the world through your eyes is to see the world with no future..Let's start with a world where people's names are spelt correctly. [emoji1]

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Al Bundy 4eva!

21st April 2023, 22:31

Let's start with a world where people's names are spelt correctly. [emoji1]

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When I'm old and wealthy and maybe living my final days on marz I doubt iIl be thinking back 30 years saying to myself,

"I really wish I took more time of my limited life span proofreading my grammar on social media"

Like now and in 30 years I won't give a fuck bout grammar

Al Bundy 4eva!

21st April 2023, 22:40

Since this forum has a number of advanced graduates in bachelor's of YouTube...

https://youtube.com/shorts/zgc3xDB1vaY?feature=share

Al Bundy 4eva!

21st April 2023, 22:47

I'm actually surprised the so called free spirited, ftw, motorcycle culture in NZ is so brainwashed by mainstream media and the governments of the world...baaaaaaa baaaaaa sheep.

Berries

21st April 2023, 23:17

Nah, it's just half a dozen people on a forum who think you are a dick, it has nothing to do with the thread title at all.

Fourteen votes in the poll above surely make you realise nobody here cares that much about Elon Musk and most of us are just laughing at you and the shit you keep posting?

Al Bundy 4eva!

21st April 2023, 23:32

husaberg

22nd April 2023, 00:09

The future is looking bright!

Yeah mid-air explosion's can be very bright even in daytime.
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/QpAidikwXsU/maxresdefault.jpg
Even brighter than tesa fires
https://www.carscoops.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/2022-Tesla-Model-S-Fire-Morris-Township-Fire-Comp-Photos-1.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtjjuk_p2pA

sugilite

22nd April 2023, 08:17

When it comes to twitter, musk is a total schitzo....
https://www.theverge.com/2023/4/21/23692449/elon-musk-twitter-government-funded-media-labels-removed

TheDemonLord

22nd April 2023, 08:54

In case anyone didn't get the reference:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_nj6wW6Gsc

Berries

22nd April 2023, 10:07

I'm a conservative, you openly gloat about sex with cabin boys, were from different worlds
Were certainly are.

sugilite

22nd April 2023, 10:32

I feel I'm really missing out on this fun sounding cabin boy action!

More to yesterday's post, now musk is upset companies are not buying into his high prices, awwww.
https://www.gadgets360.com/social-networking/news/elon-musk-lawsuit-threat-twitter-removed-microsoft-ad-platform-illegal-use-training-data-3964412

Not to worry, tomorrow he could well turn around and give it to them for free.
It sure seems like of all his companies, twitter is the one he runs whilst pissed after midnight :laugh:

sugilite

22nd April 2023, 10:48

In case anyone didn't get the reference:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_nj6wW6Gsc

Heh, now i do, cheers :laugh:

husaberg

22nd April 2023, 13:50

I feel I'm really missing out on this fun sounding cabin boy action!

Just remember that Allbunny is the cabinboy.

Laava

22nd April 2023, 14:38

And remembering what a successful business man he is, he'll be getting a lot of interest! Compounding! Esp pounding!

sugilite

22nd April 2023, 15:09

Isn't he always telling us he is retired? He should have some seriously sweet soft cheeks from sitting around doing nothing all day?

Laava

22nd April 2023, 17:19

No, he spelt retarded wrongly.

pritch

23rd April 2023, 09:43

It is reported that Elon's rehash of the Twitter blue tick system has resulted in a net gain of twenty eight sales. That's right 28 total world wide.

Musk also stated that the Space X launch site was fine. It doesn't look fine.

sugilite

23rd April 2023, 16:41

OK, this is actually quite funny :laugh:

Well played Elon, well played....

https://mashable.com/article/twitter-verifies-dril-mashable-block-the-blue

husaberg

23rd April 2023, 17:00

He claims he's nearly breaking even after sacking 6500 out of 8000 staff....
He claimed the controversial layoffs were not easy and said he did not speak to everyone in person.

Last week, Twitter suffered a bug that prevented thousands of users from accessing links, its sixth major outage since the beginning of the year, according to internet watchdog group NetBlocks.

plus now hes getting rid of blue ticks....

R650R

23rd April 2023, 17:15

Musk also stated that the Space X launch site was fine. It doesn't look fine.

One of the proper space channels had a good breakdown on that with slow motion shots of very large (eg car size) lumps of concrete landing a long distance away in sea.
He states in an earlier interview that he really should build a flame divertor trench but hopes to get away without it. This is damning of his so called genius given the complete public knowledge of this through nasa and other programs along with water deluge systems.

And he dreams that this will land vertically on mars and takeoff again... houston we have a problem...

Lends further credence that Musk is just a front for perhaps military spending and testing new ICBM rocket motors perhaps??? Cause if you were on some sort of budget and all you wanted to test is the engines...

Digging up what’s left of that concrete crater and building proper foundation again won’t be cheap

george formby

23rd April 2023, 17:28

Lends further credence that Musk is just a front for perhaps military spending and testing new ICBM rocket motors perhaps??? Cause if you were on some sort of budget and all you wanted to test is the engines...

Space X does get massive funding from all over the place, certainly the US gummint. Directly from military budgets. who knows?

Having Elon take any flack is certainly better and probably cheaper than a pure gummint initiative and all the responsibility that entails. Far less transparent, too, which is handy.

SaferRides

23rd April 2023, 18:16

3 of the 33 engines failed before lift off. Maybe that had something to do with the damage?

Another 2 shut down during the flight.

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nerrrd

23rd April 2023, 19:33

sugilite

24th April 2023, 16:09

Schitzo musk stikes again! The blue tick saga strikes again
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/apr/23/twitter-restores-blue-tick-free-of-charge-to-celebrities-in-u-turn

SaferRides

25th April 2023, 08:10

sugilite

25th April 2023, 10:58

More info. on the Starship launch: https://www.quora.com/Why-did-the-SpaceX-star-ship-disintegrate-on-mid-flight-today/answer/Glyn-Williams?ch=15&oid=1477743660566941&share=d93efe9d&srid=uNGgwU&target_type=answer

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My suggestion - use the same glass being used in the cyber truck to make the next pad, it seems pretty tough. Thank me later Elon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqGf8pqCZi0

Laava

26th April 2023, 07:05

This is definately a consideration…

pritch

26th April 2023, 13:50

Musk made a massive botch up of his blue tick scheme. It seems he may also have laid himself open to legal action. The US has laws against fraudulent celebrity endorsements but that is what he did to thousands of celebrities. Alive and dead.

There were 420,000 Twitter accounts with legacy blue check marks. Only 19,497 signed up for Musk's new check mark. Musk then gave some to three people, two of whom declined his offer. The mark morphed from an anti-theft device to a mark of shame. Panic set in at Twitter HQ and Musk's solution was to give a blue check to every account with over a million followers with a statement on each profile page that the user had paid for the checkmark. Untrue and illegal.

What a genius.

R650R

27th April 2023, 13:39

Great breakdown of the empty promises

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3JTafTEDv0&pp=ygULdGh1bmRlcmZvb3Q%3D

Laava

30th April 2023, 09:37

So anyway, I hooked up to Starlink yesterday, mainly because where we live is on copper line with no imminent plans for fibre, and the cellular broadband is a joke. It seemed to be totally prioritising Netflix at the expense of everything else.
So I signed up to Elons satellites, did the scan of the area with the app and bolted the aerial to the roof. Pretty easy really. It did strangely disconnect itself overnight and needed to be reset with login, password etc but the download speed is right up there around 150 Mbps vs Spark where it would often be under 1Mbps in peak times.

Al Bundy 4eva!

30th April 2023, 11:36

I think they’ve only got permission for a few launches a year at the current site, which wouldn’t work with the long term vision.

So they probably didn’t want to spend too much on it (there’s already another one under construction complete with tower at Cape Canavaral).

However having seen more close-up pics of the damage today…it’s a lot. One of the commentators was doubting they’ll be able to launch again there this year. There are a lot of holes in things.

Given how much debris was flying around, the rocket itself must be pretty robust to have flown for as long it did.

Starship pad damage is quite small and will be repaired quickly

vehicle structural margins appeared to be better than expected.

From a pad and rocket standpoint, they are probably ready to relaunch in 6-8 weeks

3 raptor engines, I call them cylinders didn't fire on lift off so this is fixable, they came pretty close to stage separation, all this data is just being released to space travel enthusiasts now

It's more likely than not that Starship should separate in the next launch then reach orbit in the next 12 months with another 6 launches scheduled

This is pretty amazing if they achieve this, something the size of the sky tower getting off the ground, separating , then carrying on to orbit, obviously the next stage will be landing the rocket, each step is progress to men returning to the moon and eventually setting up a colony on Mars

Laava

30th April 2023, 12:27

So far it has cost $199 with a monthly running cost of $159. So it is expensive but we are in a rural location with few options. Some of which are more expensive for less product.
I would have preferred fibre but the only way that can happen is for all the residents to stump up for the cost of installing it and then hand it over to chorus. When we had enquiries, up our road, a lot of people expressing no interest in putting money in. Fair enough I guess but when the same people would have connected to fibre if it was there, it becomes a sort of Catch 22 situation.

pete376403

30th April 2023, 16:56

Starship pad damage is quite small and will be repaired quickly
Mmmm okay

https://news.yahoo.com/spacexs-starship-rocket-blew-huge-174345298.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAMI3E_lPCA9bl2Y628Kzd7nce2C3 Ds2DeTSZJdhtWMpufEF7bb8fJEeij21B0BooB-yBV7ZKNXK-ElyJlxiTK45GCZzqm4FlpovVyDJEorvtrL40lr9MDFrBrEDryk dA0Uxyut020KAnjmCL09qCXL6MKt1fbQgASHKO1UtOfwJM

onearmedbandit

30th April 2023, 17:40

Mmmm okay

https://news.yahoo.com/spacexs-starship-rocket-blew-huge-174345298.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAMI3E_lPCA9bl2Y628Kzd7nce2C3 Ds2DeTSZJdhtWMpufEF7bb8fJEeij21B0BooB-yBV7ZKNXK-ElyJlxiTK45GCZzqm4FlpovVyDJEorvtrL40lr9MDFrBrEDryk dA0Uxyut020KAnjmCL09qCXL6MKt1fbQgASHKO1UtOfwJM

You already know what he will say about mainstream media. (and tbh I'm on his side, I don't place much faith in any media)

Al Bundy 4eva!

30th April 2023, 17:46

You already know what he will say about mainstream media. (and tbh I'm on his side, I don't place much faith in any media)
You read my mind

husaberg

30th April 2023, 18:27

You read my mind

It a light read smaller than a brochure and contained no big words......

You already know what he will say about mainstream media. (and tbh I'm on his side, I don't place much faith in any media)

Out of interest Do you have more faith in the media than what musk says himself.
Being in mind he settled fraud changes with the SEC

SEC that Musk signed. He and Tesla each agreed to pay $20 million in civil fines over Musk’s tweets about having the “funding secured” to take Tesla private at $420 per share.

IME the mainstreem media have to pay up huge fines when they get it wrong much like Fox and lunatics like Jones

onearmedbandit

30th April 2023, 19:22

Out of interest Do you have more faith in the media than what musk says himself.
Being in mind he settled fraud changes with the SEC

SEC that Musk signed. He and Tesla each agreed to pay $20 million in civil fines over Musk’s tweets about having the “funding secured” to take Tesla private at $420 per share.

IME the mainstreem media have to pay up huge fines when they get it wrong much like Fox and lunatics like Jones

No, I have approximately the same lack of faith in media as I do most people I don't personally know, including Musk. When I said I was 'on his side', I purely meant with respect to mainstream media. Th-th-th-th-that's all folks.

nerrrd

30th April 2023, 20:03

Meanwhile in the real world...

The agency said in an email that a return to flight for the Starship Super Heavy will require the FAA to decide that “any system, process, or procedure related to the mishap does not affect public safety.” ... the explosion activated something called an “anomaly response plan,” which is part of a 2022 Programmatic Environmental Assessment completed by the company along with state and federal agencies, and that SpaceX has additional “environmental mitigations” they must complete before launching again. The plan “was triggered by debris entering adjacent properties,” the FAA noted.

After completing the list of tasks in the plan and mitigations SpaceX will need to ask the FAA to amend their launch license, to gain clearance for another test flight.

Al Bundy 4eva!

30th April 2023, 20:41

Meanwhile in the real world...

So what's your point, SpaceX has been constantly hindered by regulations, but they eventually meet the requirements

Should SpaceX just give up on progress like you give up on life?perhaps like your version of the real world

What you quoted was a week old manipulated mainstream media report, what I posted was released today,

pete376403

30th April 2023, 22:57

So what's your point, SpaceX has been constantly hindered by regulations, but they eventually meet the requirements

Should SpaceX just give up on progress like you give up on life?perhaps like your version of the real world

What you quoted was a week old manipulated mainstream media report, what I posted was released today,

released by who, though? Are the pictures manipulated, is the damage they show fake news (where have we heard that before?) I wonder about your version of the real world.

And by your own words, Spacex always has to meet the requirements of the regulations, so FAA always has the final word on whether Spacex can do anything.

Also -" Elon says 1-2 months. NASA's been told by SpaceX two months. It's a big ask, let's be fair, but what do you think?" Are you doubting the word of the messiah?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evO4GedWfjs - first comment

nerrrd

1st May 2023, 07:50

I hope you're right, but I think a 6-8 week timeline is unrealistic.

The damage to the pad is (visually at least) extensive, and may affect the foundations to the point that they need to be rebuilt (one of the horizontal concrete supports is no longer horizontal, for example, it's been tilted downwards towards the centre). If the OLM ring is intact, they may just be able to remove it, rebuild the concrete support, and put it back. I'm not sure how long that would take, maybe not too long, they've done it before. On the tower, they've at least been able to lower the chopsticks, so that may be a good sign that most of the damage there is cosmetic. Raising them again would confirm that.

But even once they get stage 0 back to where it was pre-launch, they then have to install and test whatever solution they put in place to stop the same thing happening next time (I believe there's a water cooled steel plate under construction so they're at least some way along already in that process).

And then, once that's done, they have to get the FAA to sign off on it all to issue a new launch licence – they're likely to pay closer attention this time.

But you're right, I don't know any of this for sure, most of the information I'm getting is from people on Youtube who love SpaceX and have been cheering Starship on ever since they started building it, and they have doubts. I'm sure SpaceX will get there, but not in 2 months.

Here's a good summary of the issues they're facing:

https://youtu.be/RGcdjJj-f4g

mashman

1st May 2023, 13:25

Shame space construction ain't a thing or he could ship it up in 3 or 4 bits. Maybe he could fit the pieces with FSD and they can put themselves together.

Laava

1st May 2023, 13:42

Yep just like the nanobots in the Covid vaccinations!😂

mashman

1st May 2023, 18:24

Yep just like the nanobots in the Covid vaccinations!😂

I thought that was billion gates... anyhoo, that's just a cover. They put them in the water like the song.

husaberg

1st May 2023, 18:36

From what i have read musks site doesn't have a fire trench like the nasa sites designs did.
some of the engine damage in the past has been from debris being thrown up into the engines.

https://www.nasa.gov/centers/kennedy/pdf/167394main_BuildingKSC-07.pdf
https://www.concreteconstruction.net/_view-object?id=00000153-8c45-dbf3-a177-9c7d3ae00000

This appears to be a deliberate thing as they expect to relaunch this from the moon and mars where their will be no pad.

Al Bundy 4eva!

2nd May 2023, 11:37

Shame space construction ain't a thing or he could ship it up in 3 or 4 bits. Maybe he could fit the pieces with FSD and they can put themselves together.

Yusss!! „UNECE Regulation on Driver Control Assistance Systems“ (DCAS), that enables FSD Beta in Europe.

Initially, the final draft was expected to be completed until 2024, which would have meant that FSD could’ve received approval until January 2025.

Now the European Commission intends to give DCAS the highest priority and wants to complete it this year. The final draft is expected to be ready as early as September of this year.

This means that FSD Beta could be possible in Europe at the earliest by January 2024, and at the latest by the summer of 2024.

I'm still picking Teslas FSD to be in some version in NZ in 2024

sugilite

4th May 2023, 09:46

Don't think so
https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattnovak/2023/05/02/apple-co-founder-criticizes-elon-musk-for-failing-to-deliver-on-self-driving-car-promises/?sh=7c72f4b44214

Al Bundy 4eva!

4th May 2023, 20:11

Don't think so
https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattnovak/2023/05/02/apple-co-founder-criticizes-elon-musk-for-failing-to-deliver-on-self-driving-car-promises/?sh=7c72f4b44214

Wow some guy who used to be someone many years ago has a negative opinion on Elon Musk

My whole outlook on life has changed forever... let me join your sheep brigade! baaaaahhh baaaaahhh

Berries

4th May 2023, 23:33

.. let me join your sheep brigade! baaaaahhh baaaaahhh
You're the one who keeps coming here bleating.

Who's the sheep again?

sugilite

5th May 2023, 13:44

Wow some guy who used to be someone many years ago has a negative opinion on Elon Musk

My whole outlook on life has changed forever... let me join your sheep brigade! baaaaahhh baaaaahhh

Yeah, the same guy who has more tech knowledge than you can dream of and helps interesting tech startups get up and running to this day - because, you know he still has his finger on the pulse of tech issues.

He gives credit where it is due, and brickbats where those are due too. If you could just get Musks nuts off your chin long enough, you might actually get some perspective.
https://www.teslarati.com/wozniak-tesla-biggest-disruptor/

pritch

11th May 2023, 13:50

Musk and Tucker Carlson are working together to produce a right wing nut job/fantasy programme of some sort on Twitter. No doubt somebody somewhere will be interested. I'll pass.

Twitter ain't what it was. When I opened it this morning the first few posts were from RWNJs: the likes of Marjorie Taylor Green and Dan Bongino etc etc. I used to see them only rarely but now somehow the algorithm has decided I need the thoughts of these cretins to start my day. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

onearmedbandit

11th May 2023, 14:17

Musk and Tucker Carlson are working together to produce a right wing nut job/fantasy programme of some sort on Twitter. No doubt somebody somewhere will be interested. I'll pass.

That was the initial rumour, but everywhere online it is now being reported that Elon has not struck any sort of deal with Tucker.

Twitter owner Elon Musk tweeted late Tuesday that there was no deal with Carlson, and he urged people from both sides of the political spectrum to join the site.

“On this platform, unlike the one-way street of broadcast, people are able to interact, critique and refute whatever he or anyone may say,” he said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2023/05/09/tucker-carlson-twitter-show-relaunch/

For the record, I'm not a fan of Mr Carlson (but that applies to most representatives of the 'media') nor a Musk fan-boi.

sugilite

11th May 2023, 15:40

pritch

11th May 2023, 17:40

To be fair to musk, he has invited Don Lemon to do the same.
It is an interesting development to get this sort of content natively on twitter. It could really elevate it to another level. So well done to Musk if he pulls that off.

What I saw was an video announcement by Carlson himself. A possibly premature announcement?

Comments I've seen since.
Carlson's following are cable news viewers. That demographic is generally elderly and may not be interested in learning new tricks just to view Twitter.
On FOX Carlson was not challenged on anything he said. Twitter is not like that - at all. Depending how thin skinned he is he may not find Twitter much to his liking.

As always, we'll see.

sugilite

11th May 2023, 20:23

What I saw was an video announcement by Carlson himself. A possibly premature announcement?

Comments I've seen since.
Carlson's following are cable news viewers. That demographic is generally elderly and may not be interested in learning new tricks just to view Twitter.
On FOX Carlson was not challenged on anything he said. Twitter is not like that - at all. Depending how thin skinned he is he may not find Twitter much to his liking.

As always, we'll see.

All good points Pritch, I know nothing much about twitter as I do not use it. Do they have hosted content, like long videos on twitter?

onearmedbandit

12th May 2023, 09:41

What I saw was an video announcement by Carlson himself. A possibly premature announcement?

If you can find that video do you mind posting a link? I've looked and can't find it, and I would've thought a video like that would have spread like wildfire considering Elon is on record as saying no deal has been struck.

sugilite

12th May 2023, 10:22

If you can find that video do you mind posting a link? I've looked and can't find it, and I would've thought a video like that would have spread like wildfire considering Elon is on record as saying no deal has been struck.

Takes him until near the end of the video to mention it....
https://www.newsweek.com/tucker-carlson-twitter-show-fox-1799370

Video at top of page.

onearmedbandit

12th May 2023, 10:27

Takes him until near the end of the video to mention it....
https://www.newsweek.com/tucker-carlson-twitter-show-fox-1799370

Video at top of page.

I've seen that clip, he mentions he's going to twitter to run his 'show' but he doesn't say anything like him and Musk are working together as Pritch claims.

TheDemonLord

12th May 2023, 10:38

I've seen that clip, he mentions he's going to twitter to run his 'show' but he doesn't say anything like him and Musk are working together as Pritch claims.

I'm glad someone else has pointed this out.

husaberg

12th May 2023, 18:28

...........
Elon Musk has been talking with former Fox News host Tucker Carlson about possibly working together, according to a new report from Axios. The news comes after Carlson was abruptly pulled off the air by Fox, despite hosting the most popular cable news show in the U.S.

“Axios has learned that Carlson and Elon Musk had a conversation about working together, but didn't discuss specifics,” Axios reported on Sunday.

Musk was interviewed on Carlson’s show in mid-April, where the two seemed to genuinely like each other.

Musk said thiis

Twitter CEO Elon Musk said late Tuesday that the platform had not signed a formal deal with former Fox News host Tucker Carlson, who earlier in the day announced plans to launch a new show on Twitter.

“I also want to be clear that we have not signed a deal of any kind whatsoever. Tucker is subject to the same rules & rewards of all content creators,” Musk said on the social media platform.

What he never said was, i have not spoken to him......

onearmedbandit

12th May 2023, 19:33

Yup, Axios are the original source claiming there was a meeting, but offer nothing in support of it. But regardless, Pritch said he saw a video where Carlson himself said it...

husaberg

12th May 2023, 20:32

Yup, Axios are the original source claiming there was a meeting, but offer nothing in support of it. But regardless, Pritch said he saw a video where Carlson himself said it...

You might want to read again from how i read it he never said it came from a video that i seen?
only that only Carlson announced he was going to twitter on a video. with earlier that carlson and musk are a match made in heaven.

Musk and Tucker Carlson are working together to produce a right wing nut job/fantasy programme of some sort on Twitter. No doubt somebody somewhere will be interested. I'll pass.

Twitter ain't what it was. When I opened it this morning the first few posts were from RWNJs: the likes of Marjorie Taylor Green and Dan Bongino etc etc. I used to see them only rarely but now somehow the algorithm has decided I need the thoughts of these cretins to start my day. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

To be fair to musk, he has invited Don Lemon to do the same.
It is an interesting development to get this sort of content natively on twitter. It could really elevate it to another level. So well done to Musk if he pulls that off.

What I saw was an video announcement by Carlson himself. A possibly premature announcement?

Comments I've seen since.
Carlson's following are cable news viewers. That demographic is generally elderly and may not be interested in learning new tricks just to view Twitter.
On FOX Carlson was not challenged on anything he said. Twitter is not like that - at all. Depending how thin skinned he is he may not find Twitter much to his liking.

As always, we'll see.

i am open to correction but i dont believe he was replying to you or your question.

Musk has never denied they have met or discussed it despite it beeing widely reported that they had.

instead he said this.

lon Musk, in a Tuesday night tweet, stressed that "we have not signed a deal of any kind" with Tucker Carlson. "Tucker is subject to the same rules & rewards of all content creators. Rewards means subscriptions and advertising revenue share (still working on software needed for latter), which is a function of how many people subscribe and the advertising views associated with his content."

onearmedbandit

12th May 2023, 22:40

Pritch claimed that Tucker and Musk are working together to produce a show on twitter. Working together. He replied to sugilite that he saw 'an (sic) video announcement by Carlson himself', sugilites post was a response (without quote) to Pritch's post. So it doesn't take a long stretch of the bow to come to the conclusion he was most likely talking about the 'Musk and Tucker working together' statement. Unless it was some unspoken announcement he was talking about...

But hey, seeing how it was Pritch who made the posts we'll wait to see what he has to say.

husaberg

12th May 2023, 23:19

Pritch claimed that Tucker and Musk are working together to produce a show on twitter. Working together.

Yes he did, it was widely reported Musk had had meetings with Carlson,
Musk despite having multiple opportunities to deny this meeting or meetings, has not said he hadn't had a meeting or discussion. Which is kind of odd if he hadn't, he if fact skirted around the subject completely.

He replied to sugilite that he saw 'an (sic) video announcement by Carlson himself',
Yes you mean like carlson announcement he was going to twitter on video.

So it doesn't take a long stretch of the bow to come to the conclusion he was most likely talking about the 'Musk and Tucker working together' statement. Unless it was some unspoken announcement he was talking about...
yeah it could be Like an announcement Carlson was going to twitter...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4Xpni_JON0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ck6Q2xJqsQ4

Tucker bangs on about the media lying and twitter being the only big place left for free speech hilarious.....

On December 15, 2022, Twitter suspended the accounts of ten journalists who have covered the company and its owner, Elon Musk. They included reporters Keith Olbermann, Steven L. Herman, and Donie O'Sullivan, and journalists from The New York Times, The Washington Post, CNN, and The Intercept

yet carlson is caught in his own lies
https://apnews.com/article/tucker-carlson-fox-news-dominion-lawsuit-trump-5d6aed4bc7eb1f7a01702ebea86f37a1