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SaferRides

8th February 2025, 21:27

Musk is a lot of things, and one of those is he is very, very smart.
He knew tesla will very likely be a casualty of his nazi agenda, and he is willing to let tesla die for it, as the money he will lose from tesla dying (up to 60% reduction in sales in some markets already) pales into insignificance to the money he will make being president of the USA.He was born in South Africa and can never be president.

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sugilite

9th February 2025, 05:59

My contention is that he already is.

pritch

9th February 2025, 08:02

He was born in South Africa and can never be president.

The USA has just imposed sanctions on South Africa and I have this sneaking suspicion that was not Trump's idea.

While the Constitution does indeed say Musk can't be president, Section 3 of the 14th Amendment says Trump can't be president. How's that working out?

pete376403

9th February 2025, 08:17

I wonder why South African whites are suddenly into trumps limited attention span? https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-orders-u-s-refugee-resettlement-of-afrikaners/

R650R

9th February 2025, 09:49

nerrrd

9th February 2025, 12:12

It might amuse you all that a few years back when Arnold Schwarzenegger was governor of lefty California the right biased outlets were panicking about a possible amendment to let him become president as he is also not USA born.

The biggest irony around Musk and DOGE is SpaceX being one of the biggest consumers of taxpayer dollars while monumentally not achieving the promised goals.
We did far more in Apollo era faster and for less money.

These oversize rockets with oversized promised payloads keep breaking proving laws of physics and that done things just don’t scale in real life compared to paper promises.

All for the intention to land on mars and build a colony in an environment that makes it physically impossible for many reasons.

Coincidentally just watched a YT video which claimed Boeing will be laying off half their SLS production team in April, which is a pretty good sign that any further NASA managed Artemis missions are about to be cancelled, which will let SpaceX off the hook over getting Starship working in the near to medium future (it was supposed to be landing astronauts on the moon as part of those missions.)

Mars is a pipe dream (ketamine dream?) by comparison, I’m still not convinced humans will be going there anytime soon.

pritch

9th February 2025, 12:41

Musk will monitor the situation to ensure there are no conflicts of interest. Yeah right.

Phyllis Fong,a 22 year veteran of the Department of Agriculture, was illegally terminated. She ignored the illegal sacking and turned up to work. She says she was manhandled out of the building. She had been investigating Musk's Neuralink. The DoA is responsible for animal welfare in the US.

We can but hope there is enough left of the US Court system uncorrupted to at least slow the illegalities.

R650R

9th February 2025, 12:55

Coincidentally just watched a YT video which claimed Boeing will be laying off half their SLS production team in April, which is a pretty good sign that any further NASA managed Artemis missions are about to be cancelled, which will let SpaceX off the hook over getting Starship working in the near to medium future (it was supposed to be landing astronauts on the moon as part of those missions.)

Mars is a pipe dream (ketamine dream?) by comparison, I’m still not convinced humans will be going there anytime soon.

YT channel Adam something and Thunderfoot have done good breakdowns on it.

Mars has zero atmosphere. That means it’s constantly getting peppered by big and small space debris. It be bit like a building site in a bad part of town constantly being shot at by a shotgun but 100 times worse.

Musks rocket also lands vertically. Getting off safely even with a shovel will be difficult let alone any light construction equipment.
Also the science from astronauts on space station basically says the human body deteriorates very quickley in a zero gravity environment. Something along the lines of bone density degeneration along with muscle mass you end up as a blob if in space to long.
And that kinda answers the why aliens haven’t visited thesis. Well not in a form we can visualise at least.
Also even with the claimed cargo capacity the spaceship can’t take enough water and food for the ten year mission to get there.
It’s a great sci-fi novel at best and a slow death in a tin can at worst.

pritch

9th February 2025, 13:06

It’s a great sci-fi novel at best and a slow death in a tin can at worst.

Whichever, it's a one way trip, there will be no return tickets.

Oh and it wouldn't need to be a slow death. I believe the astronauts on the lunar landing missions had arrangements in place should their module head off into space through a mishap.

Pursang

9th February 2025, 20:55

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQLH5uj4lRAU0lsOAu_J0T748TlQnX_t-ibZhtiZ7s-mjJXSw5W

onearmedbandit

9th February 2025, 21:14

The latest GPS update keeps telling you to take the third reich too.

(Credit - James May)

Kickaha

11th February 2025, 09:02

Don't really watch this guy much but what the other lady says is interesting if true

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EP_rldQ4fAg

onearmedbandit

11th February 2025, 10:10

Mr Free Speech has apparently deactivated Kayne West's X account. Free speech does have its limits then.

pritch

11th February 2025, 19:21

Don't really watch this guy much but what the other lady says is interesting if true

Yeah she makes her point well. Musk was being investigated by a number of government watchdogs and he has fired people or cut funding to several so far and is working on others. His Space X could still be facing problems. Companies receiving tax payer dollars are supposed to report regularly providing whatever information is required. Space gets a lot of tax payer money so has many reports to make. Except they haven't made them.

pritch

12th February 2025, 11:05

Just heard on a podcast... ICE had a hotline for people to call and report illegal immigrants. The line had to be taken down because 90% of the calls were reporting Elon Musk.

pritch

16th February 2025, 13:09

onearmedbandit

16th February 2025, 13:45

He's most likely well aware but knows that message will resonate with his supporters.

Laava

16th February 2025, 13:49

He's most likely well aware but knows that message will resonate with his supporters.
Although is most likely true, what difference does it make now? He is already voted in! Oops, I mean Trunt…

onearmedbandit

16th February 2025, 13:55

Although is most likely true, what difference does it make now? He is already voted in! Oops, I mean Trunt…

Keeping his masses whipped up, maintaining momentum, gaining further support, growing more division, the list potentially goes on, take your pick.

husaberg

16th February 2025, 14:06

For a business "genius" Musk is remarkably inept at problem solving. First the problem must be correctly identified. The only reason judges can over rule presidential actions is that the presidential actions are illegal or unconstitutional. It's not a judge problem. It's a Trump problem.

I just read something that musk only started taking kids with him everywhere after the CEO execution.
Whilst its sounds implausible to a parent that no human being would use their own child as a form of "human Shield", it does seem to line up with the dates...

pritch

19th February 2025, 13:48

Team Musk sacked hundreds at the Centre for Disease Control - as bird flu variants rage, as a measles epidemic takes off in Texas, and as leprosy and other weird afflictions appear in Florida. It's just as well Trump has managed a pandemic before. Oh wait...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITbQtBdVu_g

pritch

21st February 2025, 11:06

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/RhuAABTM5_Q

onearmedbandit

21st February 2025, 11:51

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/RhuAABTM5_Q

Video is set to private now so no longer viewable.

TheDemonLord

21st February 2025, 11:58

Video is set to private now so no longer viewable.

One wonders why...

onearmedbandit

21st February 2025, 12:45

One wonders why...

To be fair, there are countless explanations. Choose whatever suits your beliefs I guess.

TheDemonLord

21st February 2025, 13:14

To be fair, there are countless explanations. Choose whatever suits your beliefs I guess.

Absolutely - but it does go somewhat against the notion that whatever was posted was robust and factual.

onearmedbandit

21st February 2025, 13:47

Absolutely - but it does go somewhat against the notion that whatever was posted was robust and factual.

Possibly. That's you choosing to fit your beliefs. If it was me who made/posted the vid and I found that it wasn't actually robust and factual I'd delete it rather than make it private.

TheDemonLord

21st February 2025, 13:50

Possibly. That's you choosing to fit your beliefs. If it was me who made/posted the vid and I found that it wasn't actually robust and factual I'd delete it rather than make it private.

To a degree it is fitting my beliefs - but delete or make private - either way it suggests that the content may not be accurate.

onearmedbandit

21st February 2025, 14:08

To a degree it is fitting my beliefs - but delete or make private - either way it suggests that the content may not be accurate.

Or they want to add additional information
Or they want to release it after some more info comes out
Or they want to restrict who can see it currently
Or they want to fix some editing issue
Or....

The action itself doesn't suggest anything, our opinion of the action does that.

pritch

24th February 2025, 10:35

A Cybertruck was privately imported into the UK by an individual but it was seized by the Police. The sharp edges on the Cybertruck are considered dangerous to pedestrians but there is also a weight problem. While the unladen weight would permit the Cybertruck to be operated on a car licence, just. The maximum loaded weight means a heavy vehicle licence is required.

Elon is not happy but he may have cause to be even more unhappy. Europe has similar pedestrian safety laws to Britain.

Oh and then there's the steering.

https://www.slashgear.com/1765919/cybertruck-banned-uk-reason-explained/

pritch

24th February 2025, 14:32

Today my first Tesla bumper sticker. I knew they existed but hadn't seen one. On my way into town I was following a Tesla with the bumper sticker,
"I bought this before Musk turned into a giant douche."

onearmedbandit

24th February 2025, 15:28

pritch

25th February 2025, 14:44

Musk's carry on can't be great for sales.

husaberg

25th February 2025, 16:53

Musk's carry on can't be great for sales.
America has this weird idolise the celebrity fixation/famous for being famous any publicity is great, fetish.
Its positively reinforces a cult of celebrity Where imfamily and celebrity worshiped without question.
The justifications as to why they are famous doesn't seem to really matter in the US. they just seem to believe as they are famous, then they must be worthy of being idolised without question.
Just look at the Kardasians, Donald Trump, Zsa Zsa Gabor. Hawk tua
All Just fluff and grandiose self promotion. Or in case of the last one well timed line.

I am reminded of that scene in four weddings and a funeral.

https://clip.cafe/four-weddings-a-funeral-1994/do-actually-know-oscar-wilde-s1/

they later ask where he is and its indicated he's keeping out torturing americans.....

https://clip.cafe/four-weddings-a-funeral-1994/torturing-americans/

pritch

26th February 2025, 08:11

Just look at the Kardasians, Donald Trump, Zsa Zsa Gabor. Hawk tua

I've just been watching some of those depressing clips where university students give you cause to wonder WTF they are doing there. They can't answer what is 3 cubed or how many minutes in quarter of an hour. They can name all the Kardashians though.

Moving on, the Deputy Director of the FBI normally has many years service with considerable fieldwork experience. So the new Deputy Director is Dan Bongino a MAGA warrior most recently host of a podcast. He did appear on FOX "News" previously, was a cop in New York, and worked for the Secret Service, basically a bodyguard. No FBI experience at all. Some people have expressed doubt that Dan is even sane.

pritch

27th February 2025, 08:55

Musk has Canadian citizenship as well as South African and US. There is currently a petition in Canada to revoke his citizenship. Currently it has near quarter of a million signatures.

1/32 man

28th February 2025, 06:20

Currently it has near quarter of a million signatures.

Last I saw it was 270k and growing.

I'd sign it

Pursang

28th February 2025, 08:14

https://wykop.pl/cdn/c3201142/ae73af799ab458f6e9433e4d4b6abd36adefbe9b527f94ffc0 6dc99ed8e6d4d9,w400.jpg

https://www.news.com.au/technology/motoring/motoring-news/why-do-tesla-owners-rchange-their-badges/news-story/36f97d5ade14e330524af4024dd7ed78

TheDemonLord

28th February 2025, 08:43

jim.cox

28th February 2025, 08:59

We have seen similar for years with US backpackers having Canadian flags on their packs

pritch

28th February 2025, 18:46

pritch

28th February 2025, 18:59

TheDemonLord

28th February 2025, 19:47

The deal Musk scored to sell $400 million worth of paperweights errr Cybertrucks to the US Military has fallen through. It seems the corruption was just too obvious.

https://www.npr.org/2025/02/13/g-s1-48571/trump-administration-order-400-million-worth-of-armored-teslas

From your Article

The Tesla contract started in the Biden administration "to explore interest from private companies to produce armored electric vehicles," a State Department spokesperson said on Thursday.

Tesla was the only company to express interest in the department's request at the time.

And it was cancelled under the Trump administration.

Please, in words of one saliva - exactly where is the Corruption.

TheDemonLord

28th February 2025, 19:49

Musk has gained a new conflict of interest. Ummm I mean Starlink has gained a new government contract believed to be worth multiple billions to modernise the Federal Aviation Administration IT system. There is one slight problem. There was already a contract with another company. It isn't as if this smacks of any impropriety. Musk will have checked to see there is no conflict of interest like Trump said he would. He has to get something back for the millions he gave Trump to get him elected. /s

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/02/25/business/musk-faa-starlink-contract/index.html

Again, from your Article:

“Alaska has long had issues with reliable weather information for the aviation community,” it said in the post. “The 2024 FAA reauthorization required the FAA to fix telecommunications connections to fix those needs.”

Seems this, again, predates the Trump administration.

R650R

1st March 2025, 09:43

BEIJING, Feb 28 (Reuters) - Autonomous driving-related over-the-air software upgrades will be subject to regulatory approvals, China's industry ministry said on Friday, part of new regulations aimed at preventing automakers using them to conceal defects or avoid liability.

Electric vehicle makers including Tesla TSLA.O and Xiaomi 1810.HK have used OTA upgrades to fix software bugs. Such upgrades are called product recalls under China's regulation, but it's often unclear if drivers might need, or would be eligible, to return vehicles to the automakers for refunds.

Those planning OTA upgrades to eliminate product defects and implement recalls should "immediately stop the manufacture and sales of defective automobile products," the regulation stipulates.

If changes to the main technical parameters are needed to fix the defects, automakers are required to obtain a license for the product change before resuming their production of the affected vehicle.

Automakers are banned from naming and marketing driving assistance systems with hints to consumers that they can be used as autonomous driving systems, according to the regulation.

They are also required to report to the industry ministry and the market regulator in case of driving assistance system failure or collisions and other accidents.

(Reporting by Beijing newsroom; Editing by Jan Harvey and Philippa Fletcher)

Pursang

3rd March 2025, 08:24

Take out the trash!
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1/32 man

4th March 2025, 06:57

You will have seen it, I have seen it, I bet even TDL has seen it......that meme that says, " if you think a billionaire is going to change a system that made them a billionaire then you are some kind of stupid"

I cant figure out TDL's position....is he a troll? is he a Russian troll? is he stupid? is he just a sufferer of oppositional defiance syndrome? or has he swallowed the bullshit believing pill? or does he really think chump is a good guy that the world needs? or is he in it for the shit stirring and stick poking?
He really is a funny guy.

Anyway I have never been a follower. I have always been a doubter, a questioner. I trust my gut instinct when forming opinions of people.
I must stop looking at Stuff, NZ Herald, CNN, BBC news outlets and follow what TDL reads.

Did anyone see the statement on Stuff about how Luxton still trusts president (there's a joke) trumpf.

TheDemonLord

4th March 2025, 08:41

You will have seen it, I have seen it, I bet even TDL has seen it......that meme that says, " if you think a billionaire is going to change a system that made them a billionaire then you are some kind of stupid"

As a rule, I try not to critique memes as I find it a little... uncouth.

But - since I have been invoked - I will comment for a bit - that Meme is not talking about the system of a constitutional republic (https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_republic) changing, they are talking about This (https://www.transformingsociety.co.uk/2020/01/31/dismantling-the-imperialist-white-supremacist-capitalist-patriarchy/)

And I dunno how your history is, but every time the alternative (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism) was tried - everyone starved and it failed. And I like food.

YI cant figure out TDL's position

Fundamentally - I am a Libertarian. I believe that almost all law should flow from the Natural rights of Man - the right to move, to speak, to bodily autonomy, to own the fruits of your labour.

Government, properly setup, is an institution to protect those rights and to act as a neutral referee when they are seemingly in conflict.

I am also very much a realist - when it comes to issues, there is sometimes a need for the pragmatic. For example - Building regulations - there is not perfect information or perfect understanding. I like to think of myself as somewhat smart and capable of understanding complex ideas and systems (at a high level at least) rather quickly - yet when it comes to the field of construction, I have not the time to learn the wisdom of hundreds of years of trial and error - and so accept that there should be some minimum standards: Dont do this or the house will fall down - and that these minimum are a net good to society... so long as they are properly implemented, understood and the cost-benefit analysis shows them to be so. Regulations, for the sake of Regulation, or to stop a fringe scenario that rarely happens, but adds excessive red-tape to stop is often not worth it.

I am also an avowed anti-Marxist. Simply put, the idea is lovely in theory - A Classless, Stateless, Moneyless society where everything is in abundance and no one has to work.... It completely breaks when it comes face-to-face with human nature and reality. I have seen the increasing march of this idea through various institutions - Ideas that once were fringe and lunatic, have been increasingly forced into the mainstream by Professors, Journalists and (as we have found out with the USAID funding) Kwangos.

Consider the following: DIE, Equity, LGBTQIA+, Critical Race Theory, Gender Theory, Critical Theory, 3rd and 4th wave Feminism, The Modern Green movement etc.

All of them have roots that when followed go back, usually via the Frankfurt school, to Antonio Gramscii and his theory of Hegemony which ultimately leads to Marx.

Now, to be fair to them - they all have elements of them that contain a kernal of truth - and, as the phrase goes, the best lies are mostly true. But they also all have the same ultimate goal - as per one of the links I included: "Dismantling the imperialist white supremacist capitalist patriarchy" - and ushering in the Communist Utopia...

I have read enough to spot the tell-tale signs when something is coming from that ideological perspective.

....is he a troll? is he a Russian troll?

Despite speaking fluent Vodka, I am not a Russian Troll or otherwise.

is he stupid?

Everyone said Trump wouldnt win a second term, I did.
As one member likes to opine - I think I know more than the NZ Government - except that one time where I correctly pointed out how dishonest the NZ Government Covid reporting stats were - was ridiculed by multiple people here.... until the Government changed the way they reported based on the very criticisms I raised

And whilst I am human and as prone to character flaws as everyone else - those that know me would probably never accuse me of being stupid.

is he just a sufferer of oppositional defiance syndrome?

There are a few that have thought so - and I will say that there is something to be said for taking a contrarian position. However, no - I do not have that. When I am being contrarian for the sake of it, you will know - because I usually freely admit that I am doing so - because in order to properly explore an idea, sometimes you need to look at the downsides and negative consequences.

or has he swallowed the bullshit believing pill?

Many on here would think so - and again, let me be fair to their position: We all swallow a degree of Bullshit.

However - the test as to whether it is bullshit or not is whether or not it is true. For example - I said ages ago - I think in a discussion around 2017 - that Twitter (at the time) was pushing censorship in only one political direction. I presented empirical evidence to this - based on their ToS, the Vidjia Gadd interview on JRE, multiple instances of them treating 'one of their own' with far greater leniency than the opposition.

This was critiqued and written off as conspiratorial.

Then Musk bought Twitter and released internal documentation that proved I was correct.

Now - That is one example, there are others (thinking Trump would win) but there are also times when I got it catastrophically wrong - I did not think Putin would invade Ukraine.

That I have the integrity to admit that should be a factor in your view of me.

or does he really think chump is a good guy that the world needs?

I wouldnt say Trump is a Good Guy, I would say he is more a Necessary Evil. Now, I like the guy, I have a genuine chaotic side that I have to keep in check that would light a match and watch the world burn...

And some of the stuff he does speaks to that side of me. There are a plethora of groups who believe their shit doesn't stink and that only they, with their 3 year degree in worthless grievance study subject know how to usher in the communist utopia - and seeing them getting pissed off and 'owned' does give me great joy - partly for the chaotic side, but also partly because their ideas, when implemented, are genuinely horrific and end in unimaginable human suffering.

Case in point - remember the gleeful celebration about the people that died when the Oceangate Titan sub imploded. Do you think those same people wouldnt revel with glee as they murdered everyone who they believed had profited unfairly? Do you think those same people wouldn't rejoice at tearing apart everyone they see as being better than them because their detestable ideology is built upon jealousy?

However, that is only one side of things - when it comes to Trump as a politician - I do genuinely believe he wants the best for America. Now, whether or not his ideas work, we can debate the nuances of Policy at length and we have a thread for that - my view of Trump is, that he bases his decisions on gut feel.

And the simple fact is - most of the time, I trust his Gut. Life, for me, was better (even in NZ) when Trump was in office. We had 4 years of relative peace and prosperity.

In terms of what Trump is currently doing - There has been Rot at the heart of the US Federal Government for a long time. And I dare say that same rot exists in governments the world over. The old saying goes when the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem is a nail - when you are a lifelong bureaucrat, every problem is fixed by more regulation and bureaucracy.

Couple in the fact that the institutions that the people that work in those positions are drawn from have been poisoned by Marxist ideas via the University system. So you have an organization that whilst it might be run by the Left or the Right (as the elections go) - is functionally staffed by people of one political viewpoint - hence why we see government funding, via USAID for causes and institutions that have a left-wing lean to them and almost none that have a right-wing lean to them.

The same is true for NZ as it is for the UK and other place - and so the refrain: I am tired of paying my taxes, to pay people to tell me how I am evil for the original sin of being a straight white male.

To conclude - I genuinely like Trump, he has his flaws - but on the balance of things, I think he is doing great. I also think that many of the things he is doing have gotten to the critical point that they have because multiple Presidents of both flavours have kicked the can down the road.

Realistically since the fall of the Berlin Wall.

or is he in it for the shit stirring and stick poking?

Occassionally- but as above, you will generally know when I am doing that...

He really is a funny guy.

Why, thank you...

Anyway I have never been a follower. I have always been a doubter, a questioner. I trust my gut instinct when forming opinions of people.
I must stop looking at Stuff, NZ Herald, CNN, BBC news outlets and follow what TDL reads.

Okay - jokes aside - look at the list of news outlets you have listed - all of them have a left bias. Ask yourself this: Why is that?

sugilite

4th March 2025, 09:42

I cant figure out TDL's position....is he a troll? is he a Russian troll? is he stupid? is he just a sufferer of oppositional defiance syndrome?

Hahaha, I bet that earned you a wall of text.
I too had the same questions as you and over time have what I feel largely worked him out.
1. TDL has told us he likes to argue, and he does.
2. TDL is incapable of dropping a position, though he will eagerly tell you otherwise and mention a few "nothings" to back it up lol. Personally I see it as weakness, but that is just my personal opinion.
3. When you drill down, and it take days and days of rebuttals - even when there is no position left, he clings onto it like the last life ring on the titanic. Examples: Trumps constant lies boiled down to "words don't matter", supreme court justice thomas taking bribes boiled down to "the briber is so rich it cannot be considered a bribe" and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on it goes.
4. Connected with the above is both his main weapon and his ego crutch that allows him to cling to his position un opposed and is in effect also his sanity protection - and that is if course the wall of text. The aim if course is to overwhelm his opponent and allow him to walk away with his "position" intact and undefeated. No matter that people just do not have the time or inclination to wade through the inevitable pile of bs contained in said wall.
5. He is literally paid to post in KB, hence his time to post said walls. He has mentioned several times that his benevolent bosses who do not mind this behavior on their watch. It does tell me that he is likely very, very good at his job.
6. On occasion shit can get real for tdl and stuff that effects him personally, suddenly he sharpens up quick fast. The only way the Invercargill pool was kept open during the pool pooper days is because they had tdl refilling it with tears over the new gun laws as fast as the pooper bloke was able to poop in it :laugh:

It is all just a game to him, so we either engage or block at the end of the day and be grateful that he is not in a position of power. Unlike musk. musk has a scary amount of power, and now days he cannot stop lying. He has so many conflicts of interest that in no way should he be head of doge, only the likes of tdl can "explain" otherwise.

TheDemonLord

4th March 2025, 10:01

Hahaha, I bet that earned you a wall of text.
I too had the same questions as you and over time have what I feel largely worked him out.

It did :D

1. TDL has told us he likes to argue, and he does.

True.

2. TDL is incapable of dropping a position, though he will eagerly tell you otherwise and mention a few "nothings" to back it up lol Personally I see it as weakness, but that is just my personal opinion.

As is your want and right.

3. When you drill down, and it take days and days of rebuttals - even when there is no position left, he clings onto it like the last life ring on the titanic. Examples: Trumps constant lies boiled down to "words don't matter", supreme court justice thomas taking bribes boiled down to "the briber is so rich it cannot be considered a bribe" and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on it goes.

That is one view - here is another - when we get to the end of a discussion - what is left is perspective. I have listened to enough of Trump speeches to have a pretty good grasp on how he uses hyperbole. I mean - you can find endless memes of people of both stripes mimicking Trumps speech patterns. Its a great speech Pattern, in fact - it is possibly the greatest speech ever... in fact, I know a guy that.... etc.

What you call lies, I call his way of speaking. I understand what he means and what he does not mean - and that is good enough for me. What I see is people taking quotes out of context, removing a common understanding of Trumpian hyperbole (which is well documented at this point) - in order to claim that he is lying.

Same too with the Justice Thomas thing - Imagine someone paying for my dinner, who also happened to like Trump and you claimed that my opinion was being influenced by them. What to the average person is luxurious beyond belief is the equivalent of buying your mate a pint.

Where we get to is a difference in perspective.

4. Connected with the above is his main weapon and crutch that allows him to cling to his position un opposed and is in effect his sanity protection - and that is if course the wall of text. The aim if course is to overwhelm his opponent and allow him to walk away with his "position" intact and undefeated. No matter that people just do not have the time or inclination to wade through the inevitable pile of bs contained in said wall.

Now this I feel is uncharitable. On some of the issues we discuss, they are complex. There are many facets to them. To ignore or not explore those elements is to do a disservice to the seriousness of the issue at hand. I could post pithy meme based replies, but I find them uninteresting and they do little to further any discussion. Clearly there is something of gravitas to the issues we both choose to engage on, otherwise we wouldnt bother.

So doing them the courtesy of really exploring takes time and text. It is not an attempt to overwhelm, it is an attempt to fully explore and rebut where necessary ideas.

5. He is literally paid to post in KB, hence his time to post said walls. He has mentioned several times that his benevolent bosses who do not mind this behavior on their watch. It does tell me that he is likely very, very good at his job.

I mean, I do type fast - but the last sentance - awwww shucks.

6. On occasion shit can get real for tdl and stuff that effects him personally, suddenly he sharpens up quick fast. The only way the Invercargill pool was kept open during the pool pooper days is because they had tdl refilling it with tears over the new gun laws as fast as the pooper bloke was able to poop in it :laugh:

You mean, when a communist Cunt starts doing communist cuntery that affects me, I get annoyed - gee funny that. Almost like I would like to be left alone by the government... Something something Libertarian.

It is all just a game to him, so we either engage or block at the end of the day and be grateful that he is not in a position of power. Unlike musk. Musk has a scary amount of power, and now days he cannot stop lying. He has so many conflicts of interest that in no way should he be head of doge, only the likes of tdl can "explain" otherwise.

I would say it is partly a game, but partly not.

Imagine a world were I was the absolute dictator for a moment - given what you know of me, both on here and off here - what would such a country look like.

Then ask yourself honestly if you think it would be that bad.

sugilite

4th March 2025, 16:47

I very much doubt he will care.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3e44ge0xnwo

1/32 man

5th March 2025, 07:06

Oh shit....I said too much!!!~!

pritch

5th March 2025, 08:01

I very much doubt he will care.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3e44ge0xnwo

I'm startled that the Royal Society would even thought Musk suitable for a fellowship in the first place. He's not a scientist. He didn't design a Tesla or a Space X rocket. The Royal Society needs to sharpen up. Unless they were just looking for some cheap publicity in which case they've achieved their aim. At the expense of the Society's reputation to a degree.

Laava

5th March 2025, 08:08

I very much doubt he will care.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3e44ge0xnwo
He is very thin skinned remember? He will have a little tantrum I am picking just from the letter.

TheDemonLord

5th March 2025, 08:14

I'm startled that the Royal Society would even thought Musk suitable for a fellowship in the first place. He's not a scientist. He didn't design a Tesla or a Space X rocket. The Royal Society needs to sharpen up. Unless they were just looking for some cheap publicity in which case they've achieved their aim. At the expense of the Society's reputation to a degree.

But he did help make Electric cars a practical reality. Which would certainly be qualifying.

neels

5th March 2025, 10:44

But he did help make Electric cars a practical reality. Which would certainly be qualifying.
You're overlooking a great deal of electric car history with that statement, and in particular the Nissan Leaf which predates and outnumbers anything practical produced by Tesla.

What he did do initially was produce expensive EVs that appealed to people who consider wank factor in their car purchasing decision.

TheDemonLord

5th March 2025, 11:21

You're overlooking a great deal of electric car history with that statement, and in particular the Nissan Leaf which predates and outnumbers anything practical produced by Tesla.

I saw Tesla recharging stations before I saw Nissan recharging stations and that was a key impediment to the mass adoption of the Electric vehicle: The recharge infrastructure.

I also want to pull you up on your numbers - the Tesla Model 3 surpassed the Nissan Leaf in terms of sales in 2020.

What he did do initially was produce expensive EVs that appealed to people who consider wank factor in their car purchasing decision.

As much as I am loathe to say this - but the people who consider Wank Factor tend to also be people with sufficient clout with the right groups to get things like Recharging stations built.

sugilite

5th March 2025, 11:45

sugilite

5th March 2025, 12:37

So lets see - 18,917 total teslas running around - all models combined

https://andys-kawasaki-zxr-zx7r-tribute-site.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-05-132509.jpg\

Vs 24,409 total nissan leafs

https://andys-kawasaki-zxr-zx7r-tribute-site.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-05-132427.jpg

Gosh, that is a lot of teslas, where are and how many tesla chargers are there?

https://andys-kawasaki-zxr-zx7r-tribute-site.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-05-132727.jpg

And now the non tesla chargers......

https://andys-kawasaki-zxr-zx7r-tribute-site.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-05-132646.jpg

My conclusion from that is there would be very few bodies in nz graveyards of leaf drivers that died from range anxiety :laugh:

Oh look, a random steam roller :innocent:

https://andys-kawasaki-zxr-zx7r-tribute-site.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/flux-image-1741135672844.png

TheDemonLord

5th March 2025, 12:53

Wow, To think I witnessed a Nissan Leaf being charged up way out in the boondocks at the Karamea 4 Square on the South Islands West Coast in 2017.
It was evidently quite an incredible and rare sight to see the Nissan charging up while somehow being connected to something other than the never seen Nissan charger. :gob:
I never realized just how blessed I was to have seen such a miracle :rolleyes:

Like it or not, Tesla was pivotal in pushing Electric cars as a full viable alternative to a Petrol car. The Leaf has a range of about 200 km, whereas the Model S has a range between 2-3 times that (nearer an equivalent to a full tank of fuel).

neels

5th March 2025, 12:55

I also want to pull you up on your numbers - the Tesla Model 3 surpassed the Nissan Leaf in terms of sales in 2020.I'll take your word for it, and not surprising really.

Tesla have pulled off the ideal marketing strategy of creating a brand image, then bringing in cheaper lines for people who want to jump on that bandwagon. That's why someone who's bought a Tesla Model 3 will tell you they've bought a Tesla, whereas someone who's bought a Toyota Corolla will tell you they've bought a Corolla.

sugilite

5th March 2025, 13:07

I salute the 10 cars that now have greater ranges than tesla, sheesh for clearly such an important metric the once formidable tesla has now been reduced to an also ran. What happened? Maybe the boss got a bit distracted of late? :lol:

https://andys-kawasaki-zxr-zx7r-tribute-site.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Screenshot-2025-03-05-140532.jpg

sugilite

5th March 2025, 13:16

I'll take your word for it, and not surprising really.

Tesla have pulled off the ideal marketing strategy of creating a brand image, then bringing in cheaper lines for people who want to jump on that bandwagon. That's why someone who's bought a Tesla Model 3 will tell you they've bought a Tesla, whereas someone who's bought a Toyota Corolla will tell you they've bought a Corolla.

In late 24 Musk threw that strategy in the toilet by implementing an over the air update uninstalling the virtue signalling module. This had the diasatrous consequence for tesla sales as the update also activated the ejection seats on all the lefties that purchased them.

https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/tesla-sales-plummeting-early-2025

neels

5th March 2025, 13:19

The Leaf has a range of about 200 km, whereas the Model S has a range between 2-3 times that (nearer an equivalent to a full tank of fuel).
In the marketing hype maybe, in the real world maybe 1.5 times if you're lucky, if you're comparing same MY cars.

Over time the range of EVs has increased to a more usable level, although still unlikely to get you from Nelson to Christchurch without at least one stop, which most ICE cars will easily do on a full tank of fuel.

But yes, Tesla were somewhat instrumental in moving the perception of EVs from the second car 'shopping basket' (where the likes of the Nissan Leaf are aimed) to the full range of normal car usage.

TheDemonLord

5th March 2025, 14:23

In the marketing hype maybe, in the real world maybe 1.5 times if you're lucky, if you're comparing same MY cars.

Over time the range of EVs has increased to a more usable level, although still unlikely to get you from Nelson to Christchurch without at least one stop, which most ICE cars will easily do on a full tank of fuel.

But yes, Tesla were somewhat instrumental in moving the perception of EVs from the second car 'shopping basket' (where the likes of the Nissan Leaf are aimed) to the full range of normal car usage.

I took both figures from marketing hype :laugh::laugh:

But yes - the last part is essentially my point. Probably a better way of articulating it.

1/32 man

6th March 2025, 05:50

I see trump in his generosity has turned off the flow of intel to Ukraine....ie Starlink owned by Msuk.
I hate these guys

neels

9th March 2025, 17:57

People seem to be going off Elon, and taking it out on his cars.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/360607689/anger-elon-musk-turns-violent-molotov-cocktails-and-gunfire-tesla-lots

pritch

9th March 2025, 18:05

I see trump in his generosity has turned off the flow of intel to Ukraine....ie Starlink owned by Msuk.
I hate these guys

Apparently Musk's satellites are dropping like flies, 120 in January? That's impressive.

https://www.business-standard.com/world-news/failing-starlink-satellites-worry-scientists-120-fell-from-space-in-jan-nc-125020701419_1.html#goog_rewarded

nerrrd

9th March 2025, 18:50

Apparently Musk's satellites are dropping like flies, 120 in January? That's impressive.

https://www.business-standard.com/world-news/failing-starlink-satellites-worry-scientists-120-fell-from-space-in-jan-nc-125020701419_1.html#goog_rewarded

It’s all part of the operational design of the system, there’s over 7000 up there and they want to push that number a lot higher.

If they can get the Starship system working (and that’s a big if at this stage) they’re planning bigger versions too.

sugilite

11th March 2025, 12:28

Usually see this guy breaking phones, not cyber trucks. Freaky when he measures just how thick, or should that be thin - the alloy really is!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubUXNSWGth0

husaberg

11th March 2025, 17:19

Tesla down 15% today alone
worst trading day since 2010 its lost 50% of the value since Elon shacked up with ol Don
Sales tanking as well. who would have guessed letting people see him and listen to his bullshit would hurt his image......;)

pritch

11th March 2025, 18:44

This is mildly interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Wgqy7E5J4Mc

Pursang

12th March 2025, 02:19

..........
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Pursang

13th March 2025, 08:36

https://i.redd.it/cfsj84nmaboe1.jpeg

Pursang

17th March 2025, 00:09

The Side Fell Off!....I really miss John Clarke
.....
355902

pritch

18th March 2025, 08:17

This guy is a political commentator on YouTube and I often see his stuff. He put this one to music.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xK4htyLKoHc

Pursang

18th March 2025, 09:50

......
355904

pritch

18th March 2025, 11:49

The back end of the Cybertruck can act as a small projection screen. Some people appear to have both talent and too much time on their hands.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/7CVrHXo-NKA

husaberg

18th March 2025, 17:59

https://www.tiktok.com/@nonbinsewerrat/video/7436858271224352046?lang=en

R650R

19th March 2025, 09:34

Saw funny picture meme too hard to attach here.

Basically along the lines of anti Elon protestors have now publicly displayed more swastikas and attacked “ immigrant” business more than the real nazis.

It’s great irony that to attack someone else you plaster a symbol that probably is causing more harm to the survivors of that than Elon. Human evolution at its finest.

And in other news Tesla set to take a hit as Chinas BYD claims to have mastered a fast charging tech that is comparable to pumping liquid fuels. The deep seek moment of ev ????

TheDemonLord

19th March 2025, 09:42

And in other news Tesla set to take a hit as Chinas BYD claims to have mastered a fast charging tech that is comparable to pumping liquid fuels. The deep seek moment of ev ????

I will believe that, when I see it.

China makes a lot of claims...

onearmedbandit

19th March 2025, 10:27

sugilite

19th March 2025, 10:58

neels

19th March 2025, 11:06

More attacks on Tesla cars overnight, vehicles set alight. You can disagree with the owner of the company, hate and despise him if that's how you want to live your life, but destroying other people's personal property is criminal, threatening their safety and security is not justifiable and shows the lack of mentality these people possess. Hopefully they are caught and brought to account.
Not particularly clever to be attacking individual peoples property, they have no control over how deranged the head of the company which made it has become. Same mentality as looting local shops when things get riotous, the only victim is the individual who's affected, and unlikely to have any effect of change on 'the system'

Burning cars and shooting holes in buildings at Tesla dealerships is equally against the law, but at least is targeting the source of whatever the grievance might be.......

Then again, the usual fate of a car parked on the side of a rural road for any length of time demonstrates that there are a percentage of humans who will damage other people's property just because there is an opportunity to do so.

TheDemonLord

19th March 2025, 11:59

It is so much easier to destroy other peoples personal property....

When one both does not believe in personal property and believes that they are Righteous.

onearmedbandit

19th March 2025, 12:09

It is so much easier to destroy other peoples personal property....

When one both does not believe in personal property and believes that they are Righteous.

Oh I'm almost certain that if you attacked these people's property they'd be up in arms, so I doubt they don't believe in personal property at all.

TheDemonLord

19th March 2025, 12:44

Oh I'm almost certain that if you attacked these people's property they'd be up in arms, so I doubt they don't believe in personal property at all.

But our Private property isn't Bourgeois Property, therefore it doesn't count (https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateCommunism/comments/1dr1ntb/what_are_examples_of_bourgeois_property_as/)

Well ahead of you ;)

onearmedbandit

19th March 2025, 12:46

But our Private property isn't Bourgeois Property, therefore it doesn't count (https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateCommunism/comments/1dr1ntb/what_are_examples_of_bourgeois_property_as/)

Well ahead of you ;)

I think you're taking a bit of a leap to assume that these attacks are anything other than pure hatred overflowing into random acts of violence.

(Note - I'm not stating that as fact - just my opinion. Just like you have your opinion)

TheDemonLord

19th March 2025, 13:05

I think you're taking a bit of a leap to assume that these attacks are anything other than pure hatred overflowing into random acts of violence.

(Note - I'm not stating that as fact - just my opinion. Just like you have your opinion)

From whence does that hatred flow?

And then the following - why do we not see the same sort of actions on the Right?

Sure, we get Boycotts from the right, we get people publicly pouring out Budlight etc. but we don't tend to see attacks on other peoples personal property, in the same way that we do when it is a Left Wing cause.

Underneath all of that I firmly believe that a combination of a sense of righteousness and marxist feelings about personal property are a key factor.

onearmedbandit

19th March 2025, 13:19

We've all seen videos of bullies standing over their victims, taunting them, taking their lunch money, but not actually physically attacking them. They just use their confidence and sense of superiority to install fear into their prey. And for the most part it works, they don't need to throw a single punch (although sometimes they do). And then we've seen the odd occasion where the victim can no longer tolerate the bullying, and they throw the first punch.

Maybe the 'right' have a sense of overwhelming superiority that gives them a feeling of confidence that they see the 'left' as weak and therefore not a threat to worry about, no need to turn to violence (although let's be perfectly honest, the far right are well capable of and have acted out in violent ways in the past), and maybe some factions of the 'left' feel weak and under attack and see the only way to be victorious or stand up for themselves is to attack the 'stronger right' with violence. Not everything is as clear cut as you may like to think.

pritch

19th March 2025, 13:28

Oh I'm almost certain that if you attacked these people's property they'd be up in arms, so I doubt they don't believe in personal property at all.

In the USA such attacks on private property can be met by gunfire. Apart from being nasty it can be bloody dangerous.

TheDemonLord

19th March 2025, 14:56

Not everything is as clear cut as you may like to think.

Sure. The issue (as I see it) is there is entire library of philosophical justification for this type of behavior that is specific to the left.

Paulo Fiere, Jean Paul Satre, Marx, Gramscii etc.

Where are the equivalent right-wing philosophers who advocate using violence against someone elses property?

onearmedbandit

19th March 2025, 15:00

Sure. The issue (as I see it) is there is entire library of philosophical justification for this type of behavior that is specific to the left.

Paulo Fiere, Jean Paul Satre, Marx, Gramscii etc.

Where are the equivalent right-wing philosophers who advocate using violence against someone elses property?

That there may be, but that does not mean your average fire bomber is well versed in the teachings of the above mentioned. In fact, I'd argue that type of person is less likely to be educated in anything.

TheDemonLord

19th March 2025, 15:11

That there may be, but that does not mean your average fire bomber is well versed in the teachings of the above mentioned. In fact, I'd argue that type of person is less likely to be educated in anything.

Sure... But let me put it another way - do you remember when Squid game was released? At Halloween that year - how many children dressed in costumes inspired by that show?

Despite the overwhelming majority of children (not teenagers) having never seen that show?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ9xtkByrC4

Just like the above video is several iterations downstream of the original show, it still retains recognizable elements of it.

So - I agree, that your average fire bomber is unlikely to be well versed (although some are) - they are still aware of the downstream ideas and concepts - such as it being justified to hate your oppressor, to disregard personal property and that if you are saving the world/environment/democracy/other - then any action is permissable.

onearmedbandit

19th March 2025, 15:36

Sure... But let me put it another way - do you remember when Squid game was released? At Halloween that year - how many children dressed in costumes inspired by that show?

Despite the overwhelming majority of children (not teenagers) having never seen that show?

Just like the above video is several iterations downstream of the original show, it still retains recognizable elements of it.

So - I agree, that your average fire bomber is unlikely to be well versed (although some are) - they are still aware of the downstream ideas and concepts - such as it being justified to hate your oppressor, to disregard personal property and that if you are saving the world/environment/democracy/other - then any action is permissable.

Comparing exposure from one of the most popular streaming shows and the words of mostly obscure (to the general public - most even couldn't recite Marx's teachings) philosophers is such a long stretch of the bow I'm surprised the string didn't snap! Squid Games, although maybe not directly watched by children (but I bet plenty did watch it on Netflix), was frequently displayed on social media platforms that children do frequent. I'm not of the belief that your average arsonist is exposed to the the teachings of these philosophers, rather just acting out of anger and hatred for trump and Musk. Musk's company makes cars. Cars make an easy target. Maybe a few are, but I'd wager their misguided anger was already there and enough to act upon, they didn't need a philosopher to encourage them.

Ok I get it, you are not going to be moved from your position, and I respect that. No point in thrashing the discussion out any further, I know where you stand and you know where I do. The only point I was trying to make earlier was these people are misguided at best, criminals in every other respect, regardless of their beliefs or motivations (in fact, their beliefs and motivations don't matter at all), and need to be brought to account. I'm sure you would agree with that.

sugilite

19th March 2025, 15:56

I see musk has joined trump on the trigger the right wing mob to rain merry hell on judges and their families. Not mentioned in the article below is the fact Musk also posted the question what benefits is this particular so called corrupt judges family receiving.

Imagine just the act of being related to a judge suddenly earns you getting intimidated, threatend with bodily harm, death and rape by in some cases hundreds of right wing thugs online.
https://www.kron4.com/news/national/new-york-post-musk-is-way-out-of-his-lane-in-calling-for-federal-judges-impeachment/

Intimidation, thuggery and real harm doesn't just come packaged in riotous mobs looting shops and setting fire to cars.

TheDemonLord

19th March 2025, 17:46

Comparing exposure from one of the most popular streaming shows and the words of mostly obscure (to the general public - most even couldn't recite Marx's teachings) philosophers is such a long stretch of the bow I'm surprised the string didn't snap!

Is it though?

Consider the concept of Equity. Who here has seen this meme? In fact, a print-out of this exists in the staff room at my childrens school (https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=1e859206e74e809a&rlz=1C1CHZN_enNZ1067NZ1069&sxsrf=AHTn8zqA04mgZrSQctfQqgT9wF-MneEeQQ:1742361777562&q=equity+meme&udm=2&fbs=ABzOT_CWdhQLP1FcmU5B0fn3xuWpA-dk4wpBWOGsoR7DG5zJBkzPWUS0OtApxR2914vrjk4ZqZZ4I2Ik JifuoUeV0iQtssIkyxoE9ZDUKx5hhtTj_ThiexGVntUHC7nriq OrQgau2aAKkS4LB6msmfP4zzxFaB8yz5C-A_0G9zFMO-8RMw8q_3GnbnAGcwVsiAja15YY0kudxMjMQZSRokfb8il5IhuX GQ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjlm8m2s5WMAxW0s1YBHeiEOkMQtKgLegQIFRAB&biw=1280&bih=631&dpr=1.5)

How many of those know of the history of the concept of Equity and its modern incarnation that is derived from various Marxist theories?

Or what about Decolonization? (Frantz Fanon)
Or Anti-Racism (Ibram X Kendi)
Or DIE? (Lewis Brown Griggs)
Or Privilege? (Peggy McIntosh)
Or LGBTQIA+? (Guy Hocquenghem)

All of these concepts have roots in various marxist theories

Squid Games, although maybe not directly watched by children (but I bet plenty did watch it on Netflix), was frequently displayed on social media platforms that children do frequent. I'm not of the belief that your average arsonist is exposed to the the teachings of these philosophers, rather just acting out of anger and hatred for trump and Musk. Musk's company makes cars. Cars make an easy target. Maybe a few are, but I'd wager their misguided anger was already there and enough to act upon, they didn't need a philosopher to encourage them.

So, I want to draw a clear distinction - I am not saying the average arsonist is exposed to the direct teachings of those philosophers.

I am, however, saying that they are exposed to the downstream effects of it.

One does not need to read Rousseau to have heard the phrase "Eat the Rich".
Likewise, one does not need to have read Satre to think it is justified to hate your oppressor.

I acknowledge the point you are making here that no everyone who lashes out in anger is well versed in the reasons they are doing it - but what I am saying is that they have heard the meta-ideas, repeated to them by Teachers, professors, activists, Politicians, Memes and other sources that have been extracted from the above philosophers.

onearmedbandit

19th March 2025, 18:21

Is it though?

Consider the concept of Equity. Who here has seen this meme? In fact, a print-out of this exists in the staff room at my childrens school (https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=1e859206e74e809a&rlz=1C1CHZN_enNZ1067NZ1069&sxsrf=AHTn8zqA04mgZrSQctfQqgT9wF-MneEeQQ:1742361777562&q=equity+meme&udm=2&fbs=ABzOT_CWdhQLP1FcmU5B0fn3xuWpA-dk4wpBWOGsoR7DG5zJBkzPWUS0OtApxR2914vrjk4ZqZZ4I2Ik JifuoUeV0iQtssIkyxoE9ZDUKx5hhtTj_ThiexGVntUHC7nriq OrQgau2aAKkS4LB6msmfP4zzxFaB8yz5C-A_0G9zFMO-8RMw8q_3GnbnAGcwVsiAja15YY0kudxMjMQZSRokfb8il5IhuX GQ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjlm8m2s5WMAxW0s1YBHeiEOkMQtKgLegQIFRAB&biw=1280&bih=631&dpr=1.5)

How many of those know of the history of the concept of Equity and its modern incarnation that is derived from various Marxist theories?

Or what about Decolonization? (Frantz Fanon)
Or Anti-Racism (Ibram X Kendi)
Or DIE? (Lewis Brown Griggs)
Or Privilege? (Peggy McIntosh)
Or LGBTQIA+? (Guy Hocquenghem)

All of these concepts have roots in various marxist theories

So, I want to draw a clear distinction - I am not saying the average arsonist is exposed to the direct teachings of those philosophers.

I am, however, saying that they are exposed to the downstream effects of it.

One does not need to read Rousseau to have heard the phrase "Eat the Rich".
Likewise, one does not need to have read Satre to think it is justified to hate your oppressor.

I acknowledge the point you are making here that no everyone who lashes out in anger is well versed in the reasons they are doing it - but what I am saying is that they have heard the meta-ideas, repeated to them by Teachers, professors, activists, Politicians, Memes and other sources that have been extracted from the above philosophers.

My god man. My point was that those who are attacking people's personal property need to be brought to account. You wade in with assertions of why they are doing it. It makes no difference what their beliefs/motives/understandings are, they simply need to be brought to justice.

pritch

20th March 2025, 08:10

If Tesla want to survive they need to ditch Musk yesterday. He is no genius, he's a seriously stupid A hole who has wrecked a promising company. They had a lead in the industry but as time passes other manufacturers are able to do it better and cheaper. Musk had little input into the design of the cars. The vehicle to which he made the biggest contribution was the Cybertruck which from the launch has been an embarrassing failure.

Musk is now the immigrant most Americans want deported. That number will only grow as more realise what's he's doing.

TheDemonLord

20th March 2025, 08:11

It makes no difference what their beliefs/motives/understandings are, they simply need to be brought to justice.

And I beg to differ.

Brought to justice is one thing, but stopping the ideas that drive them to do it in the first place is another.

Would you rather a prison system overflowing with wannabe revolutionaries who have destroyed other peoples property, or would you rather that they didn't do it in the first place?

onearmedbandit

20th March 2025, 08:44

And I beg to differ.

Brought to justice is one thing, but stopping the ideas that drive them to do it in the first place is another.

Would you rather a prison system overflowing with wannabe revolutionaries who have destroyed other peoples property, or would you rather that they didn't do it in the first place?

Answer me this. Do you think it is possible that hate for the rich and powerful can exist without the need for communism and all other factors you have mentioned?

TheDemonLord

20th March 2025, 09:10

Answer me this. Do you think it is possible that hate for the rich and powerful can exist without the need for communism and all other factors you have mentioned?

Short answer: No.

Longer answer:

I first want to clarify on Hate.

Hate is not critique. There are plenty of critiques that can be levelled at people who are rich and powerful of all stripes.
Nor is Hate wanting an equal application of the law.
Nor is Hate any N number of things that on an individual basis, one might level at an individual Rich and Powerful person.

I am not one to mention George Soros a lot, because at this point he is borderline a meme and the Right Wing Boogeyman... That said, there is a reasonable amount of evidence that he uses part of his wealth and power to fund certain groups that have a revolutionary flavor about them. One can raise this disagreement and even strong negative emotions against the Individual, George Soros, without hating the rich and powerful.

So - now that I am clear on what I interpret Hate to mean, let me get to why I say No - and some eagle-eyes writers will fairly saying I am doing a bit of Bait and Switch here - which is partly true.

If you peel back all the layers that sit on top of a seemingly innocous idea, right at the very core is one Fundamental idea that of: Jealousy and Envy.

And whilst I am not religious, I think it is no coincidence that this is considered one of the Seven Deadly Sins.

Communism just so happens to be the most popular cloak for which the envious and the jealous wrap themselves in, so as to kid themselves that they are righteous. Tomorrow it might be something else.

And to the point you are making - if I had the power to eradicate all traces of Marx and the various derived ideas, then yes - I feel there would be a lot less people who were so pre-disposed to hating the Rich and Powerful...

But there would still be the Envy and Jealousy in the hearts of Man.

All of the various derived ideas that flow from Marxism (in all its forms) feed this idea, give it a veneer of social acceptability, give a framework, an academic backing, scholarly weight etc.

Thus, from my perspective, Communism etc. is both a placeholder and fuel for Envy and Jealousy (this is the bait and switch I am talking about) - and if we fold that back into your question:

"Do you think it is possible that hate for the rich and powerful can exist without Envy and Jealousy?"

My answer, I think, makes more sense.

When framed in that way, what would be your answer?

R650R

20th March 2025, 09:41

An interesting side note. A VERY wealthy man Charlie Munger (Warren Buffetts side kick) stated in an interview that Envy is the problem in the world not Greed when it comes to riches. He worked this out when he was about 7 years old and the results are self evident.
A life spent working out how to be successful and not worrying about what others have.

onearmedbandit

20th March 2025, 10:49

Short answer: No.

Longer answer:

I first want to clarify on Hate.

Hate is not critique. There are plenty of critiques that can be levelled at people who are rich and powerful of all stripes.
Nor is Hate wanting an equal application of the law.
Nor is Hate any N number of things that on an individual basis, one might level at an individual Rich and Powerful person.

I am not one to mention George Soros a lot, because at this point he is borderline a meme and the Right Wing Boogeyman... That said, there is a reasonable amount of evidence that he uses part of his wealth and power to fund certain groups that have a revolutionary flavor about them. One can raise this disagreement and even strong negative emotions against the Individual, George Soros, without hating the rich and powerful.

So - now that I am clear on what I interpret Hate to mean, let me get to why I say No - and some eagle-eyes writers will fairly saying I am doing a bit of Bait and Switch here - which is partly true.

If you peel back all the layers that sit on top of a seemingly innocous idea, right at the very core is one Fundamental idea that of: Jealousy and Envy.

And whilst I am not religious, I think it is no coincidence that this is considered one of the Seven Deadly Sins.

Communism just so happens to be the most popular cloak for which the envious and the jealous wrap themselves in, so as to kid themselves that they are righteous. Tomorrow it might be something else.

And to the point you are making - if I had the power to eradicate all traces of Marx and the various derived ideas, then yes - I feel there would be a lot less people who were so pre-disposed to hating the Rich and Powerful...

But there would still be the Envy and Jealousy in the hearts of Man.

All of the various derived ideas that flow from Marxism (in all its forms) feed this idea, give it a veneer of social acceptability, give a framework, an academic backing, scholarly weight etc.

Thus, from my perspective, Communism etc. is both a placeholder and fuel for Envy and Jealousy (this is the bait and switch I am talking about) - and if we fold that back into your question:

"Do you think it is possible that hate for the rich and powerful can exist without Envy and Jealousy?"

My answer, I think, makes more sense.

When framed in that way, what would be your answer?

Walking away now. Enjoy your day.

pritch

20th March 2025, 12:24

sugilite

20th March 2025, 15:09

Just saw Musk bagging "the left" 'cause a dude set fire to some Teslas in a car yard. For a "genius" he's seriously stupid. It was "the left" who were buying his cars. The right don't even believe in global warming and they just want to keep driving their V8 trucks.
The more stupid politicians on the right have been dissing EVs all along. So now suddenly Trump approves of EVs? Sean Hannity "bought" one? That's not going to help much.

Musk meanwhile is busy alienating his entire potential US market. SMH

All good points. I also thought about all the veterans and other government workers he has illegally fired. If course plenty of those will be right leaning people who now have an axe to grind with elon. The dick has this antagonizing and performative nature to what he is doing, then wonders why people are getting angry. :facepalm:

Dean

21st March 2025, 07:54

Pursang

21st March 2025, 09:29

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncA8L4DZBto

sugilite

21st March 2025, 09:46

Elon thinskin free speech absolutist at it again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ImCSwqRaPE

We can drop any pretense he is that.
The man is just a compulsive liar now and cannot be trusted to say anything truthful. Really sad.

nerrrd

21st March 2025, 10:52

Saw an article of teslas across Auckland being vandalised - disgusting behaviour.

The funny thing is that, generally, the left have higher ownership rates in the electric and hybrid vehicle market, such as Teslas :laugh:

Well, graffiti as a form of political dissent is thousands of years old, so we humans are pretty disgusting. "Romani ite domum" for example.

https://youtu.be/IIAdHEwiAy8

I'm not sure society is as binary (left vs right) as it is in your head. Some people might just think Elon is being a dick.

TheDemonLord

21st March 2025, 10:54

Rick Wilson, a co-founder of The Lincoln Project, was suspended from X (formerly Twitter) for 30 days after posting a tweet that suggested 'Killing Tesla' in an effort to critique Elon Musk's influence. The post has sparked debates on free speech versus incitement of violence, with some advocating for legal action against Wilson for encouraging terrorism, while others see it as political hyperbole.

If there was no global campaign of vandalising peoples personal property - I would probably agree that this was clear hyperbole.

However, the existence of such actions...

Afterall, he is not calling for people to peacefully and patriotically make their voices heard...

Laava

21st March 2025, 11:08

Well, graffiti as a form of political dissent is thousands of years old, so we humans are pretty disgusting. "Romani ite domum" for example.

https://youtu.be/IIAdHEwiAy8

I'm not sure society is as binary (left vs right) as it is in your head. Some people might just think Elon is being a dick.
Sounds like the sort of shit those Destiny Thug cunts get up to.

sugilite

21st March 2025, 12:18

Just sack musk already, he is either too lazy to investigate what he can do under the law, or just does not care. Either way, sack him from doge now, he is costing the tax payers a fortune. Imagine the admin cost alone of rehiring all these thousands of people back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4q6FRKmd55k

pritch

21st March 2025, 12:39

Yeah, as they point out in that clip, thousands of sacked government workers have to be back paid for the weeks they sat at home. Sure sounds like waste fraud and abuse to me. Entirely attributable to Trump, Musk, and DOGE.

Trump is stupid, everyone should understand that now. Even MAGA are starting to wake up as they lose their job, as ICE grabs their wife, or as they find they can't access government services. Musk is toxic and even Trump will realise that - eventually. The break-up has a certain potential for entertainment though.

pritch

21st March 2025, 21:12

In the USA each year dozens of kids die by gunfire in a classroom where they should be safe. "Thoughts and prayers."

Throw a Molly at a Tesla though and suddenly you're a terrorist.

NZ ain't perfect but...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYvMeT2GC14

1/32 man

22nd March 2025, 07:20

I recently saw something referred to as "Dark Maga"
ie Musk and Theil and their program of money and people planting for example Vance being foisted on Trump.

Anyone got more on that?

pritch

22nd March 2025, 08:34

I recently saw something referred to as "Dark Maga"
ie Musk and Theil and their program of money and people planting for example Vance being foisted on Trump.

Anyone got more on that?

The word was that it was Eric or Don Jr sold Trump on Vance. Who was behind them wasn't mentioned. Thiel is a devious character so who knows?

Apparently the tech bros think democracy has had its day. They want a CEO type position to lead the country. Presumably the CEO would be one of them. They should read up what happened to Marie Antionette?

pritch

22nd March 2025, 08:39

sugilite

22nd March 2025, 09:51

Oh, and a bit of bright news to start the day. Tesla Cybertrucks have been shedding panels as they perambulate about the nation's highways. Obviously flying stainless steel panels present a potential hazard. A recall has been issued for every Cybertruck ever made.

Tesla need to do something drastic. Like for instance, appoint an actual CEO?

Tesla really have this recall process fully sorted, as they have had plenty of practice. After all, it is only the 8th recall for cyber trucks in little over a year. I bet the major truck fleets can hardly wait to get their hands on the tesla semi trucks. They must be currently going under "falling off a cliff" testing as I have seen fuck all about those in more than a year now :laugh:

https://www.1news.co.nz/2025/03/21/in-latest-blow-to-tesla-us-regulators-recall-nearly-all-cybertrucks/

nerrrd

22nd March 2025, 11:05

And yet, just got back from the mall and there was a Cybertruck on display, nothing fell off, there was no graffiti and everyone looking at it was smiling (including me).

What a funny world we live in.

R650R

22nd March 2025, 13:33

Tesla really have this recall process fully sorted, as they have had plenty of practice. After all, it is only the 8th recall for cyber trucks in little over a year. I bet the major truck fleets can hardly wait to get their hands on the tesla semi trucks. They must be currently going under "falling off a cliff" testing as I have seen fuck all about those in more than a year now :laugh:

https://www.1news.co.nz/2025/03/21/in-latest-blow-to-tesla-us-regulators-recall-nearly-all-cybertrucks/

ThereÂ’s a lot of EV options available off the shelf now from existing manufacturers like Scania and Mercedes. Also there are outfits here and in Auz that are retro fitting EV drive and battery systems to existing proven platforms like hino or kw cab and chassis.
In NZ uptake seems to be mostly in metro delivery market although some nz post contractors have some larger units doing longer distances but most of their work is running g pretty light.
The Tesla semi seems to work for likes of Pepsi and Walmart on set distribution centre runs where you can own and manage the charging infrastructure at both ends.
But only a small amount of trucking work is like that.
I think weÂ’ll see hydrogen or some other new hybrid technology adopted before we ever get widespread ev long distance trucking. SomeoneÂ’s gotta pay for the high voltage charging infrastructure to be built in all the right places.
Currently USA has 2000 truck stops the maths runs into double digit billions to make all of them Truck ev capable.

https://sing.uchicago.edu/2022/08/15/calculating-the-cost-of-etrucking/

Laava

22nd March 2025, 15:02

nerrrd

22nd March 2025, 15:58

I thought we weren't getting it here in NZ?

I didn’t look too closely but pretty sure it was left hand drive, maybe part of a promotional tour for something else?*

*Turns out it’s touring Australasia for display purposes (https://evsandbeyond.co.nz/tesla-cybertruck-on-show-in-auckland/).

Laava

22nd March 2025, 18:13

I didn’t look too closely but pretty sure it was left hand drive, maybe part of a promotional tour for something else?*

*Turns out it’s touring Australasia for display purposes (https://evsandbeyond.co.nz/tesla-cybertruck-on-show-in-auckland/).
OK that makes sense, apparently the lack of physical connection from steering wheel to steering has ruled it out for all of europe, aussie and here. Amongst other issues like sharp edges…

neels

22nd March 2025, 22:09

I think weÂ’ll see hydrogen or some other new hybrid technology adopted before we ever get widespread ev long distance trucking.

Already a work in progress

https://www.hwr.co.nz/hydrogen

husaberg

23rd March 2025, 11:07

Already a work in progress

https://www.hwr.co.nz/hydrogen

not the only one either
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/waikato-news/news/miraka-launches-new-zealands-first-green-hydrogen-dual-fuel-milk-tanker/J6X3FIGXNFDMJMOT65R7EPCVDU/

sugilite

23rd March 2025, 11:22

ThereÂ’s a lot of EV options available off the shelf now from existing manufacturers like Scania and Mercedes.

I can see truckers trusting those companies. I do not think many trucking companies would trust tesla as they have a proven track record of treating customers as beta testers :facepalm:

R650R

23rd March 2025, 13:39

I can see truckers trusting those companies. I do not think many trucking companies would trust tesla as they have a proven track record of treating customers as beta testers :facepalm:

Yes you are right. Even the biggest companies here don’t have enough margin to risk being a musk Guinea pig. And the lack of right of repair/modification would be a deal breaker.
And if any of the medium to smaller size outfits ever got one (let’s pretend they improve them somehow) I know a few blokes would be flying to the USA for let’s say a very direct and brief meeting with Musk if they experienced the same lack of customer service the car owners do…

TheDemonLord

23rd March 2025, 14:20

Yes you are right. Even the biggest companies here don’t have enough margin to risk being a musk Guinea pig. And the lack of right of repair/modification would be a deal breaker.
And if any of the medium to smaller size outfits ever got one (let’s pretend they improve them somehow) I know a few blokes would be flying to the USA for let’s say a very direct and brief meeting with Musk if they experienced the same lack of customer service the car owners do…

When the biggest expense for a Trucking company is the cost of Diesel, suddenly the equation is rather different.

Dean

23rd March 2025, 16:54

Well, graffiti as a form of political dissent is thousands of years old, so we humans are pretty disgusting. "Romani ite domum" for example.

https://youtu.be/IIAdHEwiAy8

I'm not sure society is as binary (left vs right) as it is in your head. Some people might just think Elon is being a dick.

Twas a good video - had a chuckle.

Well, whoever they identify as, they will soon get a wake up call in the courts system (and in some severe cases - prison).

Dean

23rd March 2025, 17:10

Interested to know more about this take on poor Tesla customer service.

Is it just a US based issue or an international issue?

I had a new Model S for work two years ago.
I used the super charger at the Tesla showroom carpark on K road (FOC).

It’s a secure gated underground car park with about 14-15 super chargers.
We would take the elevator and access their 24/7 charger lounge while waiting (approx 20min).

It had a free coffee machine, TV, luxury seats, magazines, fridges, charging ports, dedicated toilets and sometimes would be stocked with drinks and snacks.

On some occasions some of the staff would pop in to see if I needed any help and for a good chat.

I remember thinking that was awesome and you wouldn’t get that post purchase service buying a Honda. Services were relatively easy, well communicated.

neels

24th March 2025, 09:17

When the biggest expense for a Trucking company is the cost of Diesel, suddenly the equation is rather different.
There is a trade off between cost of diesel and loss of payload capacity for electric, due to the space and weight of adding batteries to a truck.

When you add in the capital cost of another truck to make up for the lost cargo capacity, and opex cost of someone to operate it, diesel starts to look less expensive.

neels

24th March 2025, 09:20

TheDemonLord

24th March 2025, 10:05

There is a trade off between cost of diesel and loss of payload capacity for electric, due to the space and weight of adding batteries to a truck.

When you add in the capital cost of another truck to make up for the lost cargo capacity, and opex cost of someone to operate it, diesel starts to look less expensive.

Good points - I am interested to see how Electric trucking develops - as there are a number of advantages for Electric motors (which is why you see Diesel electric Trains, for example)

There is some other other factors as well.

To expand on what I meant - if Electric Trucks work reasonably well, then early adopters could have significant advantages in the short term. The removal of Diesel costs is a pretty big incentive for a trucking company to take a punt.

It might be a genius level move, like the early investors in Google.
It might be a colossal failure, like NFTs.

It is not as clear-cut as R650r was making it out to be.

Dean

24th March 2025, 18:14

I've had that service from a Hyundai dealer, very nice waiting area with refreshments and staff asking if they can get you anything, even when it's not a Hyundai and they didn't sell it to you.

Interesting, I did not know that, was it open 24/7 like the Tesla lounge?

Question - what were you doing at a Hyundai dealership without a Hyundai? What business were you giving them (if you don’t mind me asking - I’m just confused).

onearmedbandit

24th March 2025, 18:41

I'm sure any manufacturer would be happy to provide such a service if their customers were happy to have it built into the cost. No such thing as a free lunch and all that.

Dean

24th March 2025, 19:01

I'm sure any manufacturer would be happy to provide such a service if their customers were happy to have it built into the cost. No such thing as a free lunch and all that.

Fair enough - can’t disagree with that.

neels

24th March 2025, 19:20

Interesting, I did not know that, was it open 24/7 like the Tesla lounge?

Question - what were you doing at a Hyundai dealership without a Hyundai? What business were you giving them (if you don’t mind me asking - I’m just confused).
Getting tyres on a mercedes because they had a good special going at the time, but same service to customers of any breed.

Not open 24/7, Hyundai's don't need special places to go if they need feeding at night.

Dean

24th March 2025, 20:04

There is a trade off between cost of diesel and loss of payload capacity for electric, due to the space and weight of adding batteries to a truck.

When you add in the capital cost of another truck to make up for the lost cargo capacity, and opex cost of someone to operate it, diesel starts to look less expensive.

Yeah payload loss was what turned us off for both electric and Hooklift 12 wheeler truck & trailers.

Don’t forget the capex for charging infrastructure build, life cycle maintenance, suitability with local power grid output, consents, refurbishment of existing electrical layout, non productive time to up-skill our drivers & workshop… List goes on.

It all shows in our rate and no customer wants to pay that.

Only way we could justify using electric options in todays logistics would be on the golden triangle route, now that the ruakura inland port is there, to get good backload/mixed payload opportunity to have a somewhat competitive rate.

BMWST?

24th March 2025, 20:26

ThereÂ’s a lot of EV options available off the shelf now from existing manufacturers like Scania and Mercedes. Also there are outfits here and in Auz that are retro fitting EV drive and battery systems to existing proven platforms like hino or kw cab and chassis.
In NZ uptake seems to be mostly in metro delivery market although some nz post contractors have some larger units doing longer distances but most of their work is running g pretty light.
The Tesla semi seems to work for likes of Pepsi and Walmart on set distribution centre runs where you can own and manage the charging infrastructure at both ends.
But only a small amount of trucking work is like that.
I think weÂ’ll see hydrogen or some other new hybrid technology adopted before we ever get widespread ev long distance trucking. SomeoneÂ’s gotta pay for the high voltage charging infrastructure to be built in all the right places.
Currently USA has 2000 truck stops the maths runs into double digit billions to make all of them Truck ev capable.

https://sing.uchicago.edu/2022/08/15/calculating-the-cost-of-etrucking/

let alone the electricity to charge hundreds of them

pete376403

25th March 2025, 07:50

With regards to charging the trucks, would Walmart and Pepsi in the New York, New England and border regions have factored in the tariff increase (25%) in the price of electricity imported from Canada? Thats going to be passed on to consumers even if the products carried are of US origin

SaferRides

25th March 2025, 11:13

let alone the electricity to charge hundreds of themAnd if it comes from burning fossil fuels, then the whole exercise is pointless.

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TheDemonLord

25th March 2025, 11:52

And if it comes from burning fossil fuels, then the whole exercise is pointless.

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I am not sure on that - I would imagine that the average fossil fueled power station is more efficient than the average car engine. Especially given that the power station can run at a near constant RPM, whereas a car engine is constantly accelerating and decelerating.

It might only be a few percent more efficient, but like Diesel-electric trains, it is more efficient to have a Diesel engine run a generator at a constant RPM and have the electricity run the motors than a direct drive system.

neels

25th March 2025, 21:08

It might only be a few percent more efficient, but like Diesel-electric trains, it is more efficient to have a Diesel engine run a generator at a constant RPM and have the electricity run the motors than a direct drive system.
Not so much for efficiency as controlled delivery of power, soft starting a DC motor by moving brushes on a commutator is far less strain on drive gear than engaging a clutch.

It is true that the diesel engines are running constantly at peak torque/power efficiency, so the acceleration losses are minimised.

Someone mentioned in a conversation recently that one (or maybe more) of the new generation of hybrids are petrol-electric in a similar way to trains, be interesting to see if that becomes the preferred arrangment.

onearmedbandit

25th March 2025, 21:40

SaferRides

29th March 2025, 07:45

Someone mentioned in a conversation recently that one (or maybe more) of the new generation of hybrids are petrol-electric in a similar way to trains, be interesting to see if that becomes the preferred arrangment.My wife's Corolla does that to some extent. When in EV mode, it runs the engine at constant low revs and doesn't use it for drive unless it needs more power for acceleration. That implies a separate generator and motor for the hybrid system.

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SaferRides

29th March 2025, 08:09

I am not sure on that - I would imagine that the average fossil fueled power station is more efficient than the average car engine. Especially given that the power station can run at a near constant RPM, whereas a car engine is constantly accelerating and decelerating.

It might only be a few percent more efficient, but like Diesel-electric trains, it is more efficient to have a Diesel engine run a generator at a constant RPM and have the electricity run the motors than a direct drive system.There's quite a a variation in both, but a modern car engine and the coal fired units at Huntley would be similar. Then you have an average 7% transmission loss and 85-90% EV efficiency, so you're going backwards even before allowing for the higher CO2 emissions from burning coal.

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R650R

29th March 2025, 11:25

There's quite a a variation in both, but a modern car engine and the coal fired units at Huntley would be similar. Then you have an average 7% transmission loss and 85-90% EV efficiency, so you're going backwards even before allowing for the higher CO2 emissions from burning coal.

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And also losses when charging battery through heat.

R650R

29th March 2025, 11:28

Elon Musk's AI firm xAI announced the acquisition of his social media platform X (formerly Twitter) in a significant all-stock deal. The transaction values X at $33 billion, excluding X's $12 billion debt, and the combined company at $80 billion.

In 2022, Musk acquired Twitter for $44 billion.

This move marks a major step for xAI, which, since its inception two years ago, has quickly risen to prominence as one of the top AI labs globally.

xAI has been recognized for its rapid development of AI models and construction of data centers, both in terms of speed and scale. Meanwhile, X has established itself as a leading digital platform, boasting over 600 million active users who rely on it as a real-time source of information. Over the past two years, X has undergone a transformation, emerging as an exceptionally efficient company poised for scalable growth.

The merger of xAI and X is poised to create a powerhouse in the tech industry. Musk emphasized that the futures of both companies are deeply connected. With the official consolidation of their resources, including data, models, computing power, distribution networks, and talent, the combined entity is expected to leverage xAI's cutting-edge AI expertise alongside X's extensive user base.

Musk stated that this integration is set to deliver smarter and more impactful experiences to billions of people worldwide. He stressed that the combined company would remain committed to its fundamental mission of pursuing truth and fostering the advancement of knowledge. The goal is to create a platform that not only mirrors the world but also actively contributes to human progress.

In his announcement, Musk, also CEO of Tesla (NASDAQ:TSLA), expressed gratitude for the unwavering commitment of the teams at both xAI and X, which has been instrumental in reaching this milestone. He concluded by thanking all partners and supporters for their ongoing collaboration, signaling optimism for the future following this landmark acquisition.

Who owns xai?????

A16Z, Blackrock, Fidelity Management & Research Company, Kingdom Holdings, Lightspeed, MGX, Morgan Stanley, OIA, QIA, Sequoia Capital, Valor Equity Partners, and Vy Capital, among others.

No doubt musk will buy his own Tesla stock and make some new vapourware claims in couple months to pump price up again.

Dean

29th March 2025, 15:02

Sounds like we need to buy some stocks in xAI R650R - once the second tarrif round reaches its full downturn effect.

R650R

29th March 2025, 18:12

Sounds like we need to buy some stocks in xAI R650R - once the second tarrif round reaches its full downturn effect.

I’d be cautious, seems like an ipo style vehicle for musk to exit ownership of X. Needs a bit of charted history before I’m interested.

There are other opportunities I’m more interested in putting my spare cash into first.

Pursang

30th March 2025, 08:46

M Pathetic
355954

pritch

30th March 2025, 09:08

M Pathetic
355954

Excellent. Empathy is fine but it might be wasted on a mentally ill, drug adicted, sociopath. There will be people making a killing on Wall St but I can't imagine that the smart money is being invested in anything to do with Musk.

Pursang

31st March 2025, 08:30

Excellent. Empathy is fine but it might be wasted on a mentally ill, drug adicted, sociopath. There will be people making a killing on Wall St but I can't imagine that the smart money is being invested in anything to do with Musk.

Here is some insight from some Smart Money that was deeply invested in Elon & TESLA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG1TgW1UPlU&t=311s

pritch

2nd April 2025, 09:00

Here is some insight from some Smart Money that was deeply invested in Elon & TESLA.

Thanks for that. The clip is quite long but it's exceptionally interesting all the way. At the end he mentions the Pallisades fire. His house is one of three hundred that survived the fire. Almost five thousand seven hundred houses did not.

pritch

3rd April 2025, 11:14

Elon had a bad day yesterday. There was an election for a Wisconsin state Supreme Court judge. For whatever reason Musk wanted the Republican candidate to win and he spent some twenty five million dollars to that end. Ultimately it wasn't close and the Democrat was elected. Seemingly there are limits to what Musk's money can buy.

R650R

3rd April 2025, 17:11

pritch

3rd April 2025, 17:43

Although many of us detest musk it might be time to delete those posts supporting those burning cars.
They are now calling it terrorism rightly so as it’s violence to achieve a political objective. Musk is coming after the “Generals” and those funding the attacks.

You see when musk bought Twitter (hangout of the extreme left at time) he basically bought the mailing list and post history of every antifa member and any other extremists. Brilliant move if he did foresee problems on the horizon, $44 billion well spent. Even the CIA or Lenin would envy that level of efficiency.

And I’ll leave a quote I saw recently;

“One side disagreed with a company’s politics so they stopped buying their beer and their razors. The other side decided to burn cars and immigrant businesses”

That's so misguided it's almost sad. Nobody I know supports the burning of cars. It's not as if Teslas need much help with that anyway.

"Musk is coming after the “Generals” and those funding the attacks." Problem is these people don't actually exist. They are the fevered imaginings of Musk's ketamine fried brain. He has made another similar claim in recent days. Basically he can't confront the idea that he is the author of his own misfortune.

Twitter was not particularly left leaning. @Jack holidayed in Myanmar FFS. That caused considerable dismay at the time for some. Journalists say that Twitter was like a TV news room which is a far more accurate analogy. If you needed pictures of a news event, such as an airliner landing on the Hudson River, Twitter was where you went to get them.

Musk has now performed a self serving financial conjuring trick. In some circumstances that might be considered fraud.

onearmedbandit

3rd April 2025, 17:53

Yeah I can't recall anyone here posting in support of burning Tesla's. Happy to be proven wrong though, it's not like this site gets all my focus.

SaferRides

3rd April 2025, 21:32

Only from the land of Mickey Mouse, or should it be Goofy... Musk can't work in his job at DOGE for a full year because he isn't actually employed by the government.

And in a stunning example of mainstream media bias, Tesla shares may have halved in value since December last year as per the headlines, but are merely back to their value before the elections last year.

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TheDemonLord

4th April 2025, 09:25

Nobody I know supports the burning of cars. It's not as if Teslas need much help with that anyway.

And yet, people are doing it. Some with tacit support or at least justification for it.

It's like Porn - the thing that everyone knows about but no one watches...

Twitter was not particularly left leaning.

Yes, it was - I was outlining this back in 2017 IIRC. Then Elon bought it and we got confirmation of what we always knew.

sugilite

4th April 2025, 14:38

Elons word is not worth my used loo paper.

1/32 man

4th April 2025, 19:11

For whatever reason Musk wanted the Republican candidate to win and he spent some twenty five million dollars to that end. Ultimately it wasn't close and the Democrat was elected.

Oh so it's true you can influence an election with lots of money. Sad for elong but good for the people... er sorry, slaves....... aah er, peasantry.,,,,um masses.

pritch

6th April 2025, 09:15

When visiting Wisconsin to boost his chosen candidate for the state Supreme Court Musk wore a hat resembling a block of cheese. This is evidently what happens when you surround yourself with yes men. He doesn't know the difference between funny and stupid but nobody will tell him he looks like an idiot.

TheDemonLord

6th April 2025, 09:44

pritch

6th April 2025, 21:42

If only there was a long tradition of this hat being associated with Wisconsin...[/URL]

Irrelevant. He still looks like an idiot.

SaferRides

6th April 2025, 21:45

If only there was a long tradition of this hat being associated with Wisconsin... (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheesehead)LoL, who knew Cheeseheads are a thing in Wisconsin? It is dairy farming country, but that's next level compared to cowbells!

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pritch

6th April 2025, 21:45

Musk boasted that he did no market research on the Cybertruck. He really didn't need to tell us, it shows. Sales have stalled and factories have stopped production. This is potentially the biggest automotive failure in history.

husaberg

6th April 2025, 23:12

TheDemonLord

7th April 2025, 10:09

Irrelevant. He still looks like an idiot.

Here is a video of the Democrats doing it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw20Q8U5TZ8

And here is a video of the Republicans doing it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeVCzh8gwDs

It is, in fact, entirely relevant - since it is very much a thing.

TheDemonLord

7th April 2025, 10:10

LoL, who knew Cheeseheads are a thing in Wisconsin? It is dairy farming country, but that's next level compared to cowbells!

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To be fair - I only knew because of Charlie Berens (Wisconsin Comedian) - and his skits about the Mid-west/Wisconsin.

But yes - this is a common thing - and Elon doing it is not silly or out of place.

sugilite

7th April 2025, 11:20

Where elon is out of place, is his position within government with outrageous conflicts of interest.

TheDemonLord

7th April 2025, 11:36

Where elon is out of place, is his position within government with outrageous conflicts of interest.

That was voted for.

This is something I see a lot of people on the left screeching about... Elon was on Trump's campaign trail. He outlined exactly what he wanted to do. The people voted for it.

And so far, it seems to be being done.

Then there is the addendum - even if it is a conflict of interest (I am not sure on this point) - it is still infinitely more honest than the average politicians conflict of interest(s).

sugilite

7th April 2025, 14:25

Thank you for reminding me of your propensity for wholly disingenuous posts.

That was voted for.
Was it in as a special issue to vote on in the ballot? NO

This is something I see a lot of people on the left screeching about... Elon was on Trump's campaign trail. He outlined exactly what he wanted to do. The people voted for it.
He did not. He was as vague as fuck as with near all his "policies" just putting it all under the umbrella of fight fraud, waste and inefficiency.

And so far, it seems to be being done.
By done, I assume you mean them having to remove the top 5 line items on the doge website because they were all debunked lies, I could go on and on at the failures and rehires, but that will do.

Then there is the addendum - even if it is a conflict of interest (I am not sure on this point) - it is still infinitely more honest than the average politicians conflict of interest(s).
Honest? Musk has lied through his teeth on so many issues I have lost count. And it was only a happy coincidence the first government departments he attacked provide oversight on the contracts his companies were involved in.

Whatever honest measure one chooses to use, musk is completely compromised by MANY conflicts of interest.

R650R

19th April 2025, 10:36

Tesla pulls a VW but with the odometer

April 17 (Reuters) - Tesla TSLA.O faces a proposed class action claiming it speeds up odometers on its electric vehicles so they fall out of warranty faster, saving Elon Musk's company from having to pay for repairs.

The plaintiff Nyree Hinton alleged that Tesla odometer readings reflect energy consumption, driver behavior and "predictive algorithms" rather than actual mileage driven.

He said the odometer on the 2020 Model Y he bought in December 2022 with 36,772 miles on the clock ran at least 15% fast, based on his other vehicles and driving history, and for a while said he drove 72 miles a day when at most he drove 20.

Hinton, a Los Angeles resident, said this caused his 50,000-mile basic warranty to expire well ahead of schedule, leaving him with a $10,000 suspension repair bill that he thought Tesla should cover.

"By tying warranty limits and lease mileage caps to inflated 'odometer' readings, Tesla increases repair revenue, reduces warranty obligations, and compels consumers to purchase extended warranties prematurely," the complaint said.

Tesla and its lawyer did not immediately respond on Thursday to requests for comment, but have denied all material allegations in the lawsuit. The Austin, Texas-based company does not have a media relations office.

Hinton is seeking compensatory and punitive damages for Tesla drivers in California, potentially encompassing more than 1 million vehicles, court papers show.

Tesla moved his lawsuit this month to Los Angeles federal court from a state court in that city.

The automaker has also faced litigation accusing it of inflating vehicle driving ranges.

In March 2024, a federal judge in Oakland, California said drivers in that case must pursue their claims in individual arbitrations, not a class action.

The case is Hinton v Tesla Inc et al, U.S. District Court, Central District of California, No. 25-02877.

pritch

19th April 2025, 10:47

He did not. He was as vague as fuck as with near all his "policies" just putting it all under the umbrella of fight fraud, waste and inefficiency.

To most people it will be obvious that Musk expected a profit on his $250 Million investment. I certainly don't recall him saying on the campaign trail though that the first thing he was going to do was shut down thirty odd government investigations of various breaches by his companies.

1/32 man

20th April 2025, 08:16

Tesla pulls a VW but with the odometer

Felon Musk

pritch

18th May 2025, 12:07

Elon Musk promised people in seven states up to $100 to sign a petition and another $100 for every other signature they obtained. It seems now that Musk's promise was not worth much. Legal actions are underway for non-payment. How the economics of litigation to recover a sum of only $100 stack up is beyond me, but it is the USA.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/elon-musk-s-pro-trump-pac-accused-of-failing-to-pay-swing-state-petition-signers-in-new-lawsuit/ar-AA1EWWim

sugilite

27th May 2025, 11:22

So after making people wait 6 odd years for the cyber truck to come into existence and 200% more expensive than planned - it is now turning into a sales flop and the depreciation is off the charts - as per the video below.
Doing some basic sugi math (I know, dodgy at the best of times)
Purchase Price - $100,000
Teslas trade in price for a 10,000 mile old cyber truck - $65,000
Depreciation hit - $35,000
Divide that by the 10,000 miles traveled and that cyber truck devalued at $3.50 per mile.
Fuel is running around $3.50 a gallon in the US currently.
So the "economical" electric vehicle is essentially incurring costs of $3.50 + electricity and consumables per mile :laugh:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imGDAzokoPw

pritch

27th May 2025, 11:27

Depreciation is kind of irrelevant since nobody is buying Cybertrucks and they are a bit ungainly to use as paperweights.

pritch

1st June 2025, 10:17

Musk has made his farewell from the Whitehouse apparently as high as a kite on drugs. That's appropriate because that is how he appeared at Trump's inauguration.

Additionally he was sporting a black eye. He said he told his son X to punch him in the face. There is speculation though that since it's his right eye that is bruised the punch was thrown by a southpaw. Stephen Miller, who's wife is reportedly leaving him for Musk, is left handed.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/f0l-wACQWC4

sugilite

6th June 2025, 15:49

Oh no, after alienating his left leaning tesla customers, now Musk is fucking off a good chunk of the right leaning ones by finally telling some "truths" about trump.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/investor-nightmare-how-trump-musk-fallout-crushing-tesla-stock

Scumbag 1 is fighting with scumbag 2, I will let the reader decide which scumbag is #1 and #2 :laugh:

The tesla board and investors will not be happy.

Laava

6th June 2025, 16:49

I am finding this latest fiasco hilarious! Looking forward to the next pathetic drama from these two wounders!:jerry::jerry::jerry:

Dean

11th June 2025, 12:21

I’d be cautious, seems like an ipo style vehicle for musk to exit ownership of X. Needs a bit of charted history before I’m interested.

There are other opportunities I’m more interested in putting my spare cash into first.

Update: picked up a large family home freehold, lawn, outdoor deck, timber weatherboard etc in an upper class central Auckland neighbourhood, got it well below CV due to market downturn. High rental appraisal. Land will go back up in value over next 10 years.:msn-wink:

How did you go with your investments?
Milford aggressive fund seems attractive - any advice?

pritch

19th June 2025, 12:52

sugilite

19th June 2025, 12:55

The Voice of America are frantically trying to rehire the staff illegally fired when Musks's team of geniuses disestablished the Farsi language department. It has suddenly occurred to TPTB that it might be beneficial to be able to broadcast to the Iranian people in their own language.
Doge certainly contributed to inefficient government, but certainly not small Government. A bunch of my American customers are complaining you just cannot get anything done in government departments that got doged :no:

pete376403

20th June 2025, 00:02

more issues for space-x
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbRmKnvx2Pg

nerrrd

20th June 2025, 09:27

At least it was only the upper stage and not the booster (or both), that really would make a proper mess! Apparently all down to a structural failure, no engines involved.

Elon certainly seems to be on the receiving end of a giant helping of karma at the moment.

SaferRides

22nd June 2025, 22:28

pritch

23rd June 2025, 09:23

Musk is famous for taking shortcuts and not following rules. That tends to have spectacular results if you are building rockets.

nerrrd

23rd June 2025, 09:47

It's not karma, it's what happens when you don't build rockets properly.

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Well they’re approaching 500 successful falcon 9 launches, so they must know something about it.

Starship may be pushing the limits of their proven technology too far though. Or the pressure vessel that failed may have been poorly handled during shipping or in the factory, and been damaged just enough to fail, but not enough to be picked up.

Musk is famous for taking shortcuts and not following rules. That tends to have spectacular results if you are building rockets.

He’s certainly gone all in on the Starship concept , the infrastructure alone must be costing billions to create let alone the vehicles themselves.

TheDemonLord

23rd June 2025, 14:08

It's not karma, it's what happens when you don't build rockets properly.

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Because NASA never had any mishaps or accidents...

SaferRides

23rd June 2025, 17:55

Because NASA never had any mishaps or accidents...NASA never built anything, it was all contracted out. Hence the reason why the CO2 scrubber cartridges weren't interchangeable between the lunar module and the command module in Apollo 13.

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