Unmasking Elon Musk

[R650R]

You don’t have to travel far back in time to see Musk is a door to door Vapoware marketer. He continually fails to deliver on his promises while being a huge parasite on society sucking up huge govt subsidies.
In this thread we can keep track of the promises vs what’s actually been delivered or even plausible.
To kick things off we have Starlink, the overpriced satellite internet service that will create space junk, ruin night sky astronomy and possibly kick start the Kessler effect which would seriously threaten modern humanity.


https://youtu.be/2vuMzGhc1cg

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Hi there,

I'm Al, you can call me Mr Bundy

I'd thought we could start a thread on how wonderful Elon Musk is and how much he is contributing to the advancement of the human race and most importantly, my net worth.

Thanks! Please keep it civil and please remember...I'm smarter than you xox.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

https://youtu.be/wanNpa_dZl8

[TheDemonLord]

Even if Musk is a hustler,

in order to hustle your way to the richest man in the world title, there's gotta be some genius at work.

And given his style and manner, I don't think he's doing it on personal charm.

Regardless of his other activities, what he has shown with the Twitter files (confirming essentially everything Conservatives knew for the past 6 years about social Media and the Left Wing political types) puts him in the Genius camp for me.

Genius Troll maybe (perhaps even 'definitely')

But still Genius.

Tesla is still something I keep an eye on with some interest. I don't believe battery and recharging tech is sufficient to replace Fossil Fuel and our Energy Grid/Energy production is way off...

but the developments are interesting.

There are many advantages of an Electric motor which in the right applications could be vastly superior to conventional engines.

[SaferRides]

Tesla is still something I keep an eye on with some interest. I don't believe battery and recharging tech is sufficient to replace Fossil Fuel and our Energy Grid/Energy production is way off...

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[R650R]

Even if Musk is a hustler,

in order to hustle your way to the richest man in the world title, there's gotta be some genius at work.

And given his style and manner, I don't think he's doing it on personal charm.

Regardless of his other activities, what he has shown with the Twitter files (confirming essentially everything Conservatives knew for the past 6 years about social Media and the Left Wing political types) puts him in the Genius camp for me.

Genius Troll maybe (perhaps even 'definitely')

But still Genius.

Tesla is still something I keep an eye on with some interest. I don't believe battery and recharging tech is sufficient to replace Fossil Fuel and our Energy Grid/Energy production is way off...

but the developments are interesting.

There are many advantages of an Electric motor which in the right applications could be vastly superior to conventional engines.

I agree electric has its place. His systems continually seem to be at odds with practicality and real world needs though. Starlink really highlights it, what’s the gain vs costs compared to existing service providers, let alone the environmental impact of so many launches.

[R650R]

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The poms just love a good que though 😂😂😂

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Elon Musk believes Tesla will be the most valuable company in the world by 2027

Ok let's break this down, but be a little more realistic and push this out to 2030

If Global EV adoption continues on today's growth path and grows from 10% today to 60% of all vehicles in the world by 2030.

& Tesla holds it's market share of about 20% that will include future products of the Cyber truck, Tesla Semi and the first 30k affordable Tesla model and builds several more Giga factories.

Then Tesla deliverers 10 million cars annually in 2030, this would give it a earnings per share of about $32 per share at 30x earnings, this would give a share price of
drum roll please..


$960 per share or a market cap value of

$3.4 trillion

Now this doesn't include full self driving, robo taxi or the Optimus Tesla bot.

So yes, Elon Musk will likely be correct although fashionable late as usual.

[Laava]

You went full retard.
Never go full retard!

[Berries]

EDIT - Deleted as does not make sense now threads combined.

[TheDemonLord]

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Completely agree - I mean, I remember bank holiday Petrol Queues - but one of my big issues with EVs is that the time to charge to 80% is still 20 minutes, versus 1-2 minutes to fill a petrol vehicle.

And that picture exemplifies that issue.

[TheDemonLord]

I agree electric has its place. His systems continually seem to be at odds with practicality and real world needs though. Starlink really highlights it, what’s the gain vs costs compared to existing service providers, let alone the environmental impact of so many launches.

Maybe - or maybe that his genius looks to us mere mortals as insanity.

[F5 Dave]

He's just trolling. He'll be on another site defending Prince Andrew and rubbing one out when people get angry. Sign of not having any real life human interaction.

Oh yeah. [Unsubscribe].

[husaberg]

Isnt it sad to think that you need so much attention ALLBUNNY.
Did you became a narcissistic troll on account of your tiny intellect or tiny pecker?

[R650R]

Maybe - or maybe that his genius looks to us mere mortals as insanity.

I’m quite interested in what ideas that are actually his you think are genius?

[TheDemonLord]

I’m quite interested in what ideas that are actually his you think are genius?

The whole Twitter debacle has a ring of Genius about it.

Tesla, if we put to one-side the contested claims of how much technical input he had, he is responsible for widespread deployment of EV Charging points/stations - something that no car manufacturer had been able to do.

His reading of real world events and what the near-future results will be is another one.

But I should say - I'm not a hardcore Elon fan, that said, I have very much enjoyed how he went from a Darling of the Left for Tesla, to public Enemy number 1.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

SpaceX is 10X cheaper with 30X lower cost overrun than NASA in lifting payload into space, wow just wow!

Musk is a mad genius!


https://youtu.be/3UebjVOx9vA

[mashman]

The original Tesla had people take credit for some of his work too, although he also respected that he stood on the shoulders of giants and it's almost as if the modern day self-made person is building on top of someone else's discoveries, and labour, whilst calling them their own. Musk swims with sharks. Fake it, be it, or be a megalodon and do it your way.

[jellywrestler]

might as well get on the bandwagon tonight

[onearmedbandit]

All the threads focused specifically on Elon have been merged. Mainly to make it easier to send to PD later if it goes that way.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

might as well get on the bandwagon tonight

A rocket to Mars!

[husaberg]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3vTWUeS80Y

[FJRider]

All the threads focused specifically on Elon have been merged. Mainly to make it easier to send to PD later if it goes that way.

Very efficient of you. You were born to Moderate ... :shifty:

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

I’m quite interested in what ideas that are actually his you think are genius?

Reality has left the chat ...:facepalm:

[R650R]

https://youtu.be/XPYWyqy1hng

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Elon Musk believes Tesla will be the most valuable company in the world by 2027

Ok let's break this down, but be a little more realistic and push this out to 2030

If Global EV adoption continues on today's growth path and grows from 10% today to 60% of all vehicles in the world by 2030.

& Tesla holds it's market share of about 20% that will include future products of the Cyber truck, Tesla Semi and the first 30k affordable Tesla model and builds several more Giga factories.

Then Tesla deliverers 10 million cars annually in 2030, this would give it a earnings per share of about $32 per share at 30x earnings, this would give a share price of
drum roll please..


$960 per share or a market cap value of

$3.4 trillion

Now this doesn't include full self driving, robo taxi or the Optimus Tesla bot.

So yes, Elon Musk will likely be correct although fashionable late as usual.

I should have mentioned the 60% of vehicles will be "new " cars sold, not the entire world fleet, so as the Tesla model Y was the number 1 selling car in NZ in November, 60% of new vehicles sold being electric by 2030 is actually a low ball estimate.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

R650R , I and others on this forum don't have time or the life span to watch your YouTube clips, sometimes a half an hour long.

Keep your debate responses short, to the point, so we are able to read in less than a few minutes

It would also help if you actually watched the entirety of the clip yourself and gave us a short break down, not relying on us to do this.

Theres only 8 weeks of summer left, and many of us want to be riding our bikes.

[R650R]

The whole Twitter debacle has a ring of Genius about it.

Tesla, if we put to one-side the contested claims of how much technical input he had, he is responsible for widespread deployment of EV Charging points/stations - something that no car manufacturer had been able to do.

His reading of real world events and what the near-future results will be is another one.

But I should say - I'm not a hardcore Elon fan, that said, I have very much enjoyed how he went from a Darling of the Left for Tesla, to public Enemy number 1.

On the surface it may. But it now seems he was bluffing and trying to bully his way into boardvof directors or similar he thought his ten percent shareholding was worth more say.
He didn’t do his due diligence financially and paid 15-20% above what shares were worth and he had to borrow big time to buy twitter.
The interest bill alone is a billion dollars a year.... And his personal politics are alienating the mostly lefty vote user base, not quite genius and why advertisers are leaving.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

On the surface it may. But it now seems he was bluffing and trying to bully his way into boardvof directors or similar he thought his ten percent shareholding was worth more say.
He didn’t do his due diligence financially and paid 15-20% above what shares were worth and he had to borrow big time to buy twitter.
The interest bill alone is a billion dollars a year.... And his personal politics are alienating the mostly lefty vote user base, not quite genius and why advertisers are leaving.

Those who understand Artificial intelligence, understand the Data that Twitter can mine is far more valuable for A.I than what Musk paid for.

Think about it, millions of Tweets per second, data will be new money in the future.

You don't become the wealthiest man in history ,by making bad business purchase's.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Those who understand Artificial intelligence, understand the Data that Twitter can mine is far more valuable for A.I than what Musk paid for.

Think about it, millions of Tweets per second, data will be new money in the future.

You don't become the wealthiest man in history ,by making bad business purchase's.

Tesla is planning to mass produce thousands of Tesla Optimus Human androids in the next several years

To have them think for themselves, they need data, this is where I believe Twitter comes in, and why Musk paid so much for.

It's an investment


https://www.tesla.com/careers/search/job/motion-planning-navigation-tesla-bot-99241

[george formby]

You don't become the wealthiest man in history ,by making bad business purchase's.

History is not your strong point.

Ever hear of Mansa Musa?

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

History is not your strong point.

Ever hear of Mansa Musa?

No , never heard of him, but a quick Google search revealed who he was.

And Elon Musk was still the wealthiest man history as a self made businessman, not a king or emperor or Government official, hell even Putin is many more times wealthier than Musk but your never going to know the true wealth of these government officials or royal families around the world.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

I expect the Ford Ranger to outsell the Tesla Model Y in December 22, I expect this to be a back and forth race,but Tesla will eventually outsell petrol cars in the long term, definitely when they introduce a 30k(USD) model and Teslas become more affordable.

See , I can be diplomatic as well..

[TheDemonLord]

On the surface it may. But it now seems he was bluffing and trying to bully his way into boardvof directors or similar he thought his ten percent shareholding was worth more say.
He didn’t do his due diligence financially and paid 15-20% above what shares were worth and he had to borrow big time to buy twitter.

That depends on where you think the value of Twitter is.

Is it in the pure Dollar Revenue figure?
Or is it in being the digital public square?

Now, before anyone accuses me of blowing Smoke up Elon's arse - remember, Twitter has never made a profit - and yet, investors were willing to pour money into it. Especially Lefty Investment companies.

I put it to you that this alone proves that the value of Twitter is more than what traditional metrics would suggest.


The interest bill alone is a billion dollars a year.... And his personal politics are alienating the mostly lefty vote user base, not quite genius and why advertisers are leaving.

Here's my take:

You've got two audiences - One audience is the lefty voter base - the ones that think Rings of Power was good.
Then you've got everyone else, the ones who thought Top Gun Maverick was good.

Which audience has greater numbers?

I'll grant you that one audience has a disproportionate amount of influence... but when it comes down to Dollars and Cents, in the long run, the larger market segment will win.

It may take a bit of time - Hollywood showed us that certain people will keep trying the same bad ideas, but eventually Money wins.

[R650R]

Granted it has some great economic value as marketing tool but there’s nothing stopping anyone creating a better or equal rival tool. We’ve seen in past how quickly people transition to alternatives.
I reckon he might use it as vase for a new crypto and we’ve seen what happens before with that...

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

For those of you who use Twitter, (from my own personal experience) Musks algorithm engineers have done a great job in getting rid of much of the spam bots, the news you want to read to your preference is right there, the people you follow or respect are the first on a particular thread, I would presume if you hate Musk you have your space and community there as well.

Still room for improvement, but I'm starting to see where Musk is going with this giant social media platform

Definitely much more user friendly, and he has stated Twitter will be cashflow neutral soon so he has no need to sell any more Tesla shares to prop up Twitter

Makes you wonder what all the noise was really about the last few months?

....oh that's right, mainstream medias desperate attempt to remain relevant.

[Laava]

The Tesla fanbois should get one of these to complement the look.
https://news.sky.com/story/dysons-zone-headphones-with-a-personal-air-purifier-get-a-hefty-price-tag-12763963

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

I didn't realize how expensive diesel had become , it won't make sense to continue using a diesel truck compared to a Tesla Semi when Tesla ramp up to full production.

[pete376403]

I didn't realize how expensive diesel had become , it won't make sense to continue using a diesel truck compared to a Tesla Semi when Tesla ramp up to full production.

The diesel fuel distribution network is largely paid for by the fuel companies. who is paying going to be for the comparable power distribution network and charging stations that the E trucks will require, given that NZs electricity generation capacity is mostly already spoken for.

[R650R]

The diesel fuel distribution network is largely paid for by the fuel companies. who is paying going to be for the comparable power distribution network and charging stations that the E trucks will require, given that NZs electricity generation capacity is mostly already spoken for.

You won’t get a straight answer by like any green/eco based idea they expect the taxpayer to pay.
Musks current business model is get tax subsidies out of govt organisations.
Trucks demand fast charging no matter the manufacturer that high voltage infrastructure won’t be cheap.

On a seperate note in Aussie all electrical supply leads need expensive tag and test every ThreeNow months not sure what it is here. But another bill, another sub contractor on site. I can see gear being locked out at times when the inspector is delayed or off sick as insurance won’t pay if charger catches fire and out of test date.

In reality electric trucks will suit certain work on metro and short haul, it’s a long time away from mass adoption.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

HERTZ increased it's fleet of electric rental cars — then it's profits exploded

Hertz discovered that electric vehicles are between 50-60% cheaper to maintain than gasoline-powered cars.

https://www.thecooldown.com/green-business/hertz-evs-cars-electric-vehicles-rental/

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Why are there more negative options on Musk in this poll

This poll is racist

It needs to count mail in vote's and have a pronoun option for the lbgtefg community.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Why are there more negative options on Musk in this poll

This poll is racist

It needs to count mail in vote's and have a pronoun option for the lbgtefg community.
Cancel that complaint, the poll has more positive votes than negative votes for Musk, this poll is the fairest and most accurate of all polls, and should decide the fate of the human race.

I'll forward it to our Prime minister Chris Luxon.

Thanks R650R!

[husaberg]

I expect the Ford Ranger to outsell the Tesla Model Y in December 22, I expect this to be a back and forth race,but Tesla will eventually outsell petrol cars in the long term, definitely when they introduce a 30k(USD) model and Teslas become more affordable.

See , I can be diplomatic as well..

How many petrol ford rangers do you think ford nz sells in a year?

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

How many petrol ford rangers do you think ford nz sells in a year?

I believe Ford sold approximately 12590 in NZ (unconfirmed)

So Tesla would have to sell atleast this many in 2023 which is achievable, even more if prices are discounted which I guarantee will happen this year, and definitely in 2024 with the Tesla Model 2 the first 30k(USD) Tesla, although demand is expected to be massive for this model, so Tesla keeping up with production will be the issue, they would need to build several more Giga factories to keep up with demand

Many variables and it won't be easy, sometimes Elons autism makes life harder for us Tesla investors, but he is who he is .

Norway has a population of 5 million, and they purchased 100,000 Teslas in 2022 , yes they are a greenie country, but I thought we were as well? Or perhaps we are only portrayed as green and under the tourism commercials we're a Ford Ranger driving gas guzzling nation.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

I'll give you guys a basic break down why Tesla share price has fallen so much -65+%, let's throw in -10% for Elon being Elon to the equation.

"Tesla will sell every car Tesla produces "-Elon Musk.



Demand won't be the problem, it's how much profit they make off every Tesla sold, currently 29%, so when profit margins come down

Future Earnings per share come down

Share price then tanks, I believe it's oversold, but I can't predict the future any more than someone predicting that Tesla will fail as a company.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

I'll give you guys a basic break down why Tesla share price has fallen so much -65+%, let's throw in -10% for Elon being Elon to the equation.

"Tesla will sell every car Tesla produces "-Elon Musk.



Demand won't be the problem, it's how much profit they make off every Tesla sold, currently 29%, so when profit margins come down

Future Earnings per share come down

Share price then tanks, I believe it's oversold, but I can't predict the future any more than someone predicting that Tesla will fail as a company.

And when interest rates are lowered, people feel rich, people buy more house's and motorcycles and Teslas on finance tick, demand explodes , prices increase,Tesla margins increase, Share price goes to the moon .

Interest rates don't just affect your home loan, they affect the share market as well.

[pete376403]

I believe Ford sold approximately 12590 in NZ (unconfirmed)

Or perhaps we are only portrayed as green and under the tourism commercials we're a Ford Ranger driving gas guzzling nation.

Occasionally there is a grain of truth in your posts.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Occasionally there is a grain of truth in your posts.

...and your doing exactly what mainstream media does, posting an edited version to suit your narrative and not the full story.

This is another reason why Musk bought Twitter, so people have access to the full story.

[mashman]

...and your doing exactly what mainstream media does, posting an edited version to suit your narrative and not the full story.

This is another reason why Musk bought Twitter, so people have access to the full story.

Oh you simply must, if you don't already, go check out some fella on twitter. (@guydealership, from memory), you'd love what he says he's seeing in the car market. Buy more shares.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Oh you simply must, if you don't already, go check out some fella on twitter. (@guydealership, from memory), you'd love what he says he's seeing in the car market. Buy more shares.


Thank you for using Twitter as your preferred informative information source,

I and Elon Musk appreciate your support and hope to continue this relationship for many years to come.

Regards

Al Bundy.

[R650R]

I'll give you guys a basic break down why Tesla share price has fallen so much -65+%, let's throw in -10% for Elon being Elon to the equation.

"Tesla will sell every car Tesla produces "-Elon Musk.



Demand won't be the problem, it's how much profit they make off every Tesla sold, currently 29%, so when profit margins come down

Future Earnings per share come down

Share price then tanks, I believe it's oversold, but I can't predict the future any more than someone predicting that Tesla will fail as a company.

Tesla shares do not pay out dividends ever, so there are no earnings per share at all.
There’s no way that Elon Ego could withstand daily scrutiny by the share market ups and downs.

[R650R]

While all automakers sometimes design things a little vulnerable this illustrates the type of problems a new manufacturer without experience of production makes.


https://youtu.be/vVSw3KSevEc

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Tesla shares do not pay out dividends ever, so there are no earnings per share at all.
There’s no way that Elon Ego could withstand daily scrutiny by the share market ups and downs.

EPS is not dividends, it's earnings per share, how much earnings each share you own of the company generates in earnings, companies listed on the Nasdaq are future growth companies like Tesla, those listed on the Dow Jones industrial average don't have growth so they pay shareholders a dividend.

If you want cashflow, invest in the Dow Jones
It you want large returns but higher risk invest in the Nasdaq.

Or you buy shares of a company listed on the Nasdaq you believe will grow in value,then sell at another time in the future, in my case about 2030.

I didn't Google this response, so I stand to be corrected, but should near enough.

[husaberg]

EPS is not dividends, it's earnings per share, how much earnings each share you own of the company generates in earnings, companies listed on the Nasdaq are future growth companies like Tesla, those listed on the Dow Jones industrial average don't have growth so they pay shareholders a dividend.

If you want cashflow, invest in the Dow Jones
It you want large returns but higher risk invest in the Nasdaq.

Or you buy shares of a company listed on the Nasdaq you believe will grow in value,then sell at another time in the future, in my case about 2030.

I didn't Google this response, so I stand to be corrected, but should near enough.

You keep going on about how much money you earn in shares, but in the real worlds share earning are not realised until you sell them.
so if you have not sold any telsa stock has is it you earned any return. Especially considering telsa do no pay dividends?
So how exactly how have you earned any money in teala shares....

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Profit or losses are only realised upon sale of any particular asset.

I earn 0% income from investing in Tesla,

Capital gains is a different story.

Your Also not taxed on the capital gain in NZ from the return by investing in Tesla.

Trading, yes, long term buy and hold, no tax.

I wonder why? not going down that rabbit hole.

[husaberg]

Profit or losses are only realised upon sale of any particular asset.

I earn 0% income from investing in Tesla,

Capital gains is a different story.

Your Also not taxed on the capital gain in NZ from the return by investing in Tesla.

Trading, yes, long term buy and hold, no tax.

I wonder why? not going down that rabbit hole.

Capital gains are only achieved when an asset is sold so you have earned zero dollars from Tesla (this is of course assuming you actually have teslas shares)

NZ tax law says however
you are liable for income tax when you purchased shares or other investments with the intention to sell for a profit.
ie they look for these activities a lot of which is something you have said you do.....
Individuals show a pattern of (usually frequent) buying and selling of shares over time
Individuals invest significant levels of capital in investments, in particular when investing on margin / borrowing to invest
Individuals monitor their investment portfolios closely, perhaps using an advanced online trading platform
Individuals spend a lot of time researching their investments
Individuals buy high risk shares to flip at a profit
Shares are bought and sold on ‘revenue’ account instead of capital account.

Maybe you shouldnt be advertising on a social media site that you do this for income.....

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

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Trading, yes, long term buy and hold, no tax.



Hussenberg

Try reading my posts carefully

I break them down and keep it short and simple so even you can understand them.

Short term trader's get taxed, long term buy and hold investors don't.

You should be a tax accountant lol.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Tesla is a growth story.

Teslas sold the past decade -


2022: 1,313,851
2021: 936,222
2020: 499,550
2019: 367,500
2018: 245,240
2017: 103,097
2016: 76,295
2015: 50,580
2014: 31,655
2013: 22,477
2012: 2,650
2011: 0

Demand issues? With this much growth year on year?, it's settled

Elon Musk is a genius.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Maybe you shouldnt be advertising on a social media site that you do this for income.....


Why am I paying thousands a year for a registered chartered accountant in tax law, when I can just take free advice from Husenbergs Google searches.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Good watch if you have a spare 17 mins.

Much of what I have been pre warning you about recently on this site.



https://youtu.be/KYqEK_T_5M4

[husaberg]

Hussenberg

Try reading my posts carefully

I break them down and keep it short and simple so even you can understand them.

Short term trader's get taxed, long term buy and hold investors don't.

You should be a tax accountant lol.

You are liable for income tax when you purchased shares or other investments with the intention to sell for a profit.
This has been part of the NZ tax laws for over 6 years


You are the one bragging on social media that you live of property and shares, but that is according to the IRD taxable income.
You have very clearly on multiple occasions said you earn your living of share and property.
this must be considereable as you claim to live in a multimillion dollar property with hundreds and thousands of dollars of new vehicles
Go argue that one with the IRD i am sure you think you know more than they do
ps ignorance is not a defense with the IRD.

Of course, this assumes you are not making all this shit up.
Which anyone that reads your scratching can make up their own minds.


Teslas don't use cameras, they use a new technology in a micro chip called Dojo.
It would most likely be about 2025 onwards before being accepted around the world and there governor road bodies.




Is it factual news that Teslas do not use camera's.
https://twitter.com/teslascope/status/1475961134876221440
https://twitter.com/ft/status/889633821938855936
https://twitter.com/driveteslaca/status/1583153246381932544
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1210273702476054529

or tesla themselves
https://www.tesla.com/en_NZ/autopilot/3

Transitioning to Tesla Vision
We are continuing the transition to Tesla Vision, our camera-based Autopilot system. Model 3 and Model Y vehicles built from June 2022 for the New Zealand market now utilise our camera-based Tesla Vision, which relies on Tesla’s advanced suite of cameras and neural net processing to deliver Autopilot and related features.
Tesla's AI self-driving feature is made of neural networks which are trained on millions of video data so it can become better (remember the more data, the better the AI), and these millions of video data easily become big data and so using GPUs would be inefficient and distributed computing would be great but to train AI on data as big as millions of data videos which are updated daily you'd need a lot of computers as essentially distributed computing is just sharing processing work between a lot of computers and so tesla decided that building a supercomputer would be more efficient both tech-wise and cost-wise and so the Dojo supercomputer was born
The Dojo is a supercomputer built by tesla to train its AI deep neural networks and Machine Learning algorithms.
it goes smoothly the self-driving AI is taking note of its surroundings using an inbuilt camera and sending that video back to Tesla's servers so that data can be used to train it more and in so that way the more people who use the self-driving AI, the more it gets better.
Now back to the Dojo, in theory, when the video data gotten from the car is sent back to Tesla's servers, the Dojo supercomputer then gets hold of that data and uses it to train the neural network which powers the Tesla self-driving AI.
So How about you answer the question about if its factual news that teslas dont use cameras as you clearly stated?

[pete376403]

Tesla is a growth story.

Teslas sold the past decade -


2022: 1,313,851
2021: 936,222
2020: 499,550
2019: 367,500
2018: 245,240
2017: 103,097
2016: 76,295
2015: 50,580
2014: 31,655
2013: 22,477
2012: 2,650
2011: 0

Demand issues? With this much growth year on year?, it's settled

Elon Musk is a genius.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/239229/most-sold-car-models-worldwide/

[R650R]

Not Elon but a good example of how tech fanboys push the hype on a lot of vapourware startups. Essentially fake news and “ misinformation” really and it contributes to an idea or business having higher cred than it should.
So some startup company basically says they can store hydrogen inside a metal carrier. This is actually done in metal hydride battery’s so it’s “scientifically plausible” but it’s not something that’s really scaleable as thunderfoots basic science breakdown shows.


https://youtu.be/gQDXqOfC61U

[gonzo_akl]

Hussenberg

Try reading my posts carefully

I break them down and keep it short and simple so even you can understand them.

Short term trader's get taxed, long term buy and hold investors don't.

You should be a tax accountant lol.

Yeah Nah, maybe you should look up the tax treatment of shares held outside Aust and NZ. what you say is true only for shares held on the NZ and Oz exchanges

In a nutshell you are liable for a tax payment on unrealised capital gain on shares held directly, but hey there is a threshold of
$50K NZD - doesn't matter whether you are trading or holding for the long term. Introduced under the last National government if my memory
serves.


Source IRD NZ:
https://www.taxpolicy.ird.govt.nz/-/media/aa32d3496d3347dfa9825c9c3e7ca3a9.ashx

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Some of you guys need to understand the value of paying for a good quality accountant and lawyer and how they can set up company and trust structures.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Here's a basic example of untaxed compounding growth and the difference between property

I buy Tesla share @$100 let's say 100k worth

It doubles in 8 months to $200 per share, it's now worth 200k, I haven't paid any tax yet.

Now I want to buy a bigger CC bike when I get my full license, so I sell 25k worth of Tesla share, ,
Maybe a pay some tax on 25k, maybe I can write some tax of through tax harvesting on losses or margin loan interest, I don't know, ask my accountant.

The point is I still have 175k worth of Tesla stock, capital gains tax free, now let's say Tesla stock goes from 200 per share to 400 per share in 18 months later, that's 350k tax free compounding growth.

Now , let's say I want to turn my garage into a man cave, so I sell 50k worth of Tesla stock, maybe I have some tax to pay, maybe not, maybe I have loses from the sale of some shares I sold at a loss, maybe I claim some margin interest as a loss, I don't know, I'm not an accountant.

But I still have 300k of capital gains tax free.

You can't sell a portion of a property, over and over again.

It's how the wealthy grow there wealth, they sell only what they need to sustain their lifestyle, it gets more indepth , with company structures and trusts and all that bull shit, but I assure its all legal, it's how Donald Trump and many other wealthy are able to keep their tax bill very low or some years 0%

Keeping in mind, I didn't earn any money, growth, capital or what ever you want to call it from income or working for it, if you want something to Google, because some of you love Google, why not search how much someone pays tax if they earned 350k from a stressful job they hate.

have you heard of the saying ..making money in your sleep?


It's not fair, but it's impossible to change, because the world economy is revolving around company and property growth.

I didn't Google this, this was just a Crude example of how the wealthy do what they do.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

I also expect one of you to frantically Google what I just posted to see if it's true, don't bother, it's just a crude basic breakdown of how the system works.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

These passengers survived a fall of a cliff with only moderate injuries, the kids were released from hospital early, and the father has been arrested for attempted murder.


Teslas are the safest car in the world

Elon Musk is a genius !!!!
https://youtu.be/bl9USxb6tPU to

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

^^ Now imagine when FSD becomes legal, the artificial intelligence would stop the driver from attempting to kill his family and driving the car off the road .

[R650R]

. You can't sell a portion of a property, over and over again. .

Yes you can it’s called Renting or Leasing......

Your 25k of shares you sold, that portion is gone forever unless you buy it back.....

Take a bit of time to digest that, maybe talk to your accountant about it lol

[pete376403]

Yes you can it’s called Renting or Leasing......

Your 25k of shares you sold, that portion is gone forever unless you buy it back.....

Take a bit of time to digest that, maybe talk to your accountant about it lol

renting/leasing - technically that would be selling the use of, but not ownership of the item.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Yes you can it’s called Renting or Leasing......

Your 25k of shares you sold, that portion is gone forever unless you buy it back.....

Take a bit of time to digest that, maybe talk to your accountant about it lol

Unless you use that 25k to buy shares in other companies

Rental income is a means to hold property with debt, not live off it , unless you own 10 houses mortgage free, besides Graham Hart , the majority of the population can't buy 10 houses cash.

Stick to the topic of Musk, just because your losing the debate, don't change the subject too something you know no little about or have no financial interest in, which I do.

I am the worst, most inexperienced biker on this site,I don't post about shit I don't understand.

[R650R]

Unless you use that 25k to buy shares in other companies

Rental income is a means to hold property with debt, not live off it , unless you own 10 houses mortgage free, besides Graham Hart , the majority of the population can't buy 10 houses cash.

Stick to the topic of Musk, just because your losing the debate, don't change the subject too something you know no little about or have no financial interest in, which I do.

I am the worst, most inexperienced biker on this site,I don't post about shit I don't understand.

Renting out property is one of the most successful means to gain wealth. Rental property earns revenue while you input zero time of effort. It’s an infinite return investment. Btw doesn’t matter if it’s in debt or freehold, it generates income for zero or minimal effort.
10 houses??? That’s not rich, successful people I know are on the 40 by 40 program, that’s to own 40 investment properties by the time they are 40.
Here in NZ people are too obsessed with capital gain on property but all that matters is that it’s tenanted

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Renting out property is one of the most successful means to gain wealth. Rental property earns revenue while you input zero time of effort. It’s an infinite return investment. Btw doesn’t matter if it’s in debt or freehold, it generates income for zero or minimal effort.
10 houses??? That’s not rich, successful people I know are on the 40 by 40 program, that’s to own 40 investment properties by the time they are 40.
Here in NZ people are too obsessed with capital gain on property but all that matters is that it’s tenanted

I think you forget who your debating too about property.

Being cash rich is not the same as being asset wealthy.

Elon Musk is the 2nd wealthiest man on Earth, he gets paid as CEO for Tesla a salary of "ONLY" 200 or 300k per year.

He gets a compensation package every few years of stock options in ownership of the Tesla company worth hundreds of millions and some years billions, not paid in cash, but asset allocation and ownership, this beat's taxed income hands down!

Owning Assets is true wealth, not cash, any countries central bank can print money.


Stick too the topic broke boy.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

^^ Now imagine when FSD becomes legal, the artificial intelligence would stop the driver from attempting to kill his family and driving the car off the road .


https://twitter.com/jimmycrow__/status/1610800644373483522?t=6hn1bxRnnypWjNnor5colg&s=19

[R650R]

Not Tesla but yet another money grubbing startup following the same principles. That be making a less efficient version of existing systems.... has good joke analogy at start.


https://youtu.be/fvvA_GToc0M

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Tesla leads electric-car charge in Australia, ends Toyota Camry’s 28-year winning streak

https://www.drive.com.au/news/tesla-sales-australia-2022/

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Not Tesla but yet another money grubbing startup following the same principles. That be making a less efficient version of existing systems.... has good joke analogy at start.
]

Your right, this has nothing to do with Tesla

Nor is Tesla a start up company, Tesla has been around over a decade.

[Berries]

A mighty nine votes suggests that there should have been an option for all the people out there who really don't care about Musk, Twitter or Tesla or the sycophantic promotion for a car on a motorbike forum by an admitted shareholder.

I thought there were rules about advertising on KB?

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Your another communist trying to silence a healthy debate

See where Harley Davidson is going with electric bikes

There trying to appease the shareholders.

[pete376403]

Your another communist trying to silence a healthy debate

See where Harley Davidson is going with electric bikes

There trying to appease the shareholders.

But not necessarily the customers. Even though without customers there is no profit to appease the shareholders with.

[TheDemonLord]

But not necessarily the customers. Even though without customers there is no profit to appease the shareholders with.

Indeed - but there are Investment firms willing to pump Billions of dollars of investment into companies that align with certain political goals, even though those companies have never made a profit.

I still believe that the phrase 'Get Woke, Go Broke' is absolutely true, it's just that sometimes it takes a while.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

I've communicated with a investment fund manager through Twitter, he's a big believer in Tesla,12%, of his position is in Tesla .

I asked him why he had such a large position in Harley Davidson in his investment fund?

He replied "Electric Bike market '

That's all I know.

Don't shoot me the messenger, blame corporate greed.

Shareholders don't ride Harley's, they ride another wave.

[TheDemonLord]

I've communicated with a investment fund manager through Twitter, he's a big believer in Tesla,12%, of his position is in Tesla .

I asked him why he had such a large position in Harley Davidson in his investment fund?

He replied "Electric Bike market '

That's all I know.

Don't shoot me the messenger, blame corporate greed.

Shareholders don't ride Harley's, they ride another wave.

I've kept rather quiet in this debate - cause I don't really have a buck either way - I think Tesla have done wonders for the Electric Car market, whilst still thinking that Electric cars (with current Battery/recharging technology) are inherently flawed.

Electric Bikes - if we are talking push-bikes - are something that I think have a time and place but are little more than a fad. The people that love cycling enough to regularly use a bike is relatively static and their main reason to do so is either an environmental focus or a fitness focus.

I don't think you are going to convince the average joe to swap their car for an E-Bike (as a primary means of transport) with enough volume to get a significant return on investment.

The core problems being:

1: Weather (sucks cycling in the cold and wet, sucks cycling in the boiling hot)
2: Protection (no cage for Cyclists either)
3: Speed (In order to truly replace a car, it needs to be able to be capable of around 30 kph consistently)
4: Price (if it's much over $1-2K, then you are competing with a Moped)

I look at the E-Bike market in much the same way as I look at things like Impossible Meat - It's an ideological pipe dream that will eventually run out of other peoples money.

[Laava]

But not necessarily the customers. Even though without customers there is no profit to appease the shareholders with.
Lols, yeah what is HD doing? AFAIK there are no new bikes for sale in NZ and hasn't been for a while. There is one 2nd hand on TM. I know they got a good review, apart from the price, but they seem to have fallen by…

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Wow, husenberg knows how to copy and paste

Looks like your year 9 education came in handy.

[husaberg]

Wow, husenberg knows how to copy and paste

Looks like your year 9 education came in handy.


So tell me which part is not 100% true then? You got made to look a complete idiot over your bullshit lies over the last page.
Its a fact Tesla Inc shares started 2023 where they left off last year, plunging more than 13 percent on Tuesday.....
Its a fact Tesla's drop on Tuesday was its worst one-day performance since 2020.
Once worth more than $1 trillion, Tesla lost more than 65 percent in market value in a tumultuous 2022
Tesla’s market value has declined by about $400bn since Chief Executive Elon Musk secured financing to buy social media firm Twitter.
Yet, Tesla's decline is conspicuous even among once-frothy tech stocks. In 2022 the stock was the worst performer in the NYSE FANG+ Index—a gauge of 10 large technology companies that includes Amazon.com, Apple and Meta Platforms. That index is down about 40% over the past year, which is still much less than Tesla’s drop. In the past three months, Tesla fell 59%, compared with a 6.7% loss for the FANG+ and a 6.7% rise for the S&P 500.
Tesla’s market dominance in the US electric vehicle sector is gradually waning, according to new insights from S&P Global Mobility. While Tesla still dominates the sector, with a 65 per cent market share of new EV sales, that’s down from 79 per cent in 2020 and could drop below 20 per cent by 2025.
In the imaginary invisashares market they were up 1000's of percent in troll currency

[pete376403]

I like the look of this (apart from the weird name) Sonys expertise in electronics plus Hondas superb automotive tech and build quality. If I was going to buy an EV it would be one of these

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/01/04/tech/sony-honda-afeela/index.html

[Laava]

It's got no door handles. Elon will be fuming that he didn't think of that! Take the door handles off and bump up the price!
Bound to be some fuckwits that would fall for it!…

[husaberg]

I like the look of this (apart from the weird name) Sonys expertise in electronics plus Hondas superb automotive tech and build quality. If I was going to buy an EV it would be one of these

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/01/04/tech/sony-honda-afeela/index.html

This bit intersted me.

Mizuno also boasted of the 45 cameras and sensors inside and outside the vehicle, some of which are used to detect the condition of the driver to help ensure alertness and safety.

According to all bunny the tesla doesn't even have cameras so its clearly miles ahead of them:lol:


Teslas don't use cameras, they use a new technology in a micro chip called Dojo.
.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Wright’s law for auto industry states a 15% cost reduction for each doubling in production.

Tesla slashed prices in China, 40% cheaper than the U.S

Prices have been cut in OZ overnight

My prediction of Tesla coming down in purchase price will kill off gas powered cars and trucks when it doesn't make economic sense and it eventually becomes cheaper to own a brand new Tesla.

[Oakie]

I think he's a driven visionary genius who may sometimes charge too far ahead too quickly.

As an aside, i was watching something about holiday makers leaving the north early in the face of flooding this week. A guy said he was a only leaving as he was a Tesla owner and was instructed not to drive his Tesla through water of any decent depth. Splash it is OK but don't drive it through flowing water. I guess the farm level Tesla 4WD will be a wee way away then.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

The guy doesn't understand the engineering on a Tesla.

If water gets into your spark plugs or air filter, your internal Combustion car engine will cut out.

Tesla is an electric engine, you can drive it through water for a short distance if you don't mind water penetrating the cabin.

The Combustion engine can't do this because it needs oxygen and fuel to create an explosion,

EVs don't need this , I thought you guys were biking experts on how engines worked?


https://youtu.be/QSR6Y2gNeI0

[Grumph]

I think he's a driven visionary genius who may sometimes charge too far ahead too quickly.

As an aside, i was watching something about holiday makers leaving the north early in the face of flooding this week. A guy said he was a only leaving as he was a Tesla owner and was instructed not to drive his Tesla through water of any decent depth. Splash it is OK but don't drive it through flowing water. I guess the farm level Tesla 4WD will be a wee way away then.

Visionary geniuses are uncomfortable to be around - and often leave people dragged into their vision out of pocket. Talk to anyone who was around John Britten.

Battery vehicles in water ? Put the battery on the roof.

[R650R]

Recently we had some epic suburban flooding. The casualty list was high as occasionally people found water level went from bumper level to over the bonnet in places.
Modern vehicles have electrics and computers mounted in dumb places, my wagon survived but local tow yards has to lease industrial land to store the hundreds of total loss claims.
You only have to watch a few Rufford Ford videos to see its a fine line between hero and help!

I doubt any manufacturer Tesla included designs the electrics to survive anything more than one brief low pressure inundation.

One things for sure at 1000 volts DC you’ll sure no when the limits reached!

[pete376403]

Not sure if this refers to the owners, the car itself or electric jesus

[pete376403]

The guy doesn't understand the engineering on a Tesla.

If water gets into your spark plugs or air filter, your internal Combustion car engine will cut out.

Tesla is an electric engine, you can drive it through water for a short distance if you don't mind water penetrating the cabin.

The Combustion engine can't do this because it needs oxygen and fuel to create an explosion,

EVs don't need this , I thought you guys were biking experts on how engines worked?

If they are waterproof, why are insurance companies writing so many of them off?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UY-J7W5laM0

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Why do commentators send me to strange YouTube channels of insignificant YouTubers especially from last decade?

I see the insults have begun from losing this debate

I did warn you all that I am smarter than you, so that's all done and dusted, I respectfully ask the moderators of this wonderful site to close the comments section and close off the racist poll accompanying this thread, as I have obviously won the debate.

There is no longer any debate or challenge and Al Bundy is easily bored.

Goodbye and good luck and all Hail our lord and saviour Elon Musk x .

[R650R]

Why do commentators send me to strange YouTube channels of insignificant YouTubers especially from last decade?

I see the insults have begun from losing this debate

I did warn you all that I am smarter than you, so that's all done and dusted, I respectfully ask the moderators of this wonderful site to close the comments section and close off the racist poll accompanying this thread, as I have obviously won the debate.

There is no longer any debate or challenge and Al Bundy is easily bored.

Goodbye and good luck and all Hail our lord and saviour Elon Musk x .

Are you getting tired living the lie of a dual login?

There is nothing racist in the poll. Feel free to tell us any special ethnic, gender or religious sensitivities you have so we don’t unintentionally hurt your feelings, kiwibiker is welcoming to all people’s.

[Oakie]

, I thought you guys were biking experts on how engines worked?

No. You thought wrong.

Most of us just ride bikes and don't need to understand all the intricacies of how the engine works.

Just like I can ride my wife without having to understand how her head works.

[R650R]

A significant YouTuber of current decade does some good maths around battery capacity and reverse engineering Tare weight. Like other non trucking people though he compares it with sleeper cabbed trucks for weight. The Tesla is a bare bones day cab, big side fairings fake look of a sleeper.
Bare bones day cab trucks of all brands are way lighter than sleeper cabs.


https://youtu.be/hvg_i0GE0Vo

[Hoonicorn]

A significant YouTuber of current decade does some good maths around battery capacity and reverse engineering Tare weight. Like other non trucking people though he compares it with sleeper cabbed trucks for weight. The Tesla is a bare bones day cab, big side fairings fake look of a sleeper.
Bare bones day cab trucks of all brands are way lighter than sleeper cabs.


I agree, Tesla have some way to go to make these trucks achieve the numbers they claim. But I'd bet most of the others are over-estimating range too.

https://idtxs3.imgix.net/si/40000/9C/EA.png?w=1342&fit=fill&bg=ffffff&border=0&q=50
https://www.idtechex.com/en/research-report/electric-and-fuel-cell-trucks-2023-2043/877 (https://www.idtechex.com/en/research-report/electric-and-fuel-cell-trucks-2023-2043/877)

[SaferRides]

I agree, Tesla have some way to go to make these trucks achieve the numbers they claim. But I'd bet most of the others are over-estimating range too.


https://www.idtechex.com/en/research-report/electric-and-fuel-cell-trucks-2023-2043/877 (https://www.idtechex.com/en/research-report/electric-and-fuel-cell-trucks-2023-2043/877)

LoL: "Also essential will be the availability of cheap low-carbon 'green' hydrogen, which analysis in the new IDTechEx report highlights will be vital to FCEVs delivering the environmental credentials on which they are being sold."



Sent from my SM-S906E using Tapatalk

[pritch]

W
Prices have been cut in OZ overnight


Only if you believe in the tooth fairy. The drop in the ticket price has been offset by increases in "invisible" charges.

[HenryDorsetCase]

The guy doesn't understand the engineering on a Tesla.

If water gets into your spark plugs or air filter, your internal Combustion car engine will cut out.

Tesla is an electric engine, you can drive it through water for a short distance if you don't mind water penetrating the cabin.

The Combustion engine can't do this because it needs oxygen and fuel to create an explosion,

EVs don't need this , I thought you guys were biking experts on how engines worked?


Rich Rebuilds (YT channel) bought a flood damaged Tesla (IIRC out of New Orleans after a major flood there). Pulled the motor apart and showed the tide mark inside the motor housing. My recollection is that he was using bits from a crashed one to rebuild the flood damaged one. Tesla were NOT helpful. To the point where they singled out his vehicle and denied it access to their Superhcharger network. Generally being Apple level dickheads. Thats one of the reasons I didnt buy one last year. Wouldnt sell him parts or do anything to help him with the project. He has another video where he repairs a customer Tesla for some small amount of money that Tesla were going to charge $16k for.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Why do commentators send me to strange YouTube channels of insignificant YouTubers especially from last decade?

I see the insults have begun from losing this debate

I did warn you all that I am smarter than you, so that's all done and dusted, I respectfully ask the moderators of this wonderful site to close the comments section and close off the racist poll accompanying this thread, as I have obviously won the debate.

There is no longer any debate or challenge and Al Bundy is easily bored.

Goodbye and good luck and all Hail our lord and saviour Elon Musk x .

NOW I remember why you're on my ignore list. Still, 7 pages is not a bad innings.

[Hoonicorn]

One thing that's interesting is that Tesla are never making motorcycles. If eMotorbikes can get fast charging in 5mins or less and a couple of hundred km ranges, who cares about Tesla?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCXR2ro4wWI

[Berries]

One thing that's interesting is that Tesla are never making motorcycles. If eMotorbikes can get fast charging in 5mins or less and a couple of hundred km ranges, who cares about Tesla?

Now you are talking.

[Hoonicorn]

Now you are talking.

Akiiraaaa! :scooter:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/33/d3/39/33d3390a4b7252d835b99101c17018b7.jpg

[husaberg]

NOW I remember why you're on my ignore list. Still, 7 pages is not a bad innings.

Just like in real life he still comes up a little short...
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/86554-ESE-s-works-engine-tuner/page2506


largest selling vehicles NZ 2023

1. Ford Ranger: 11,577 registrations
2. Toyota Hilux: 9,787 registrations
3. Mitsubishi Outlander: 9,104 registrations
4. Mitsubishi Triton: 6,126 registrations
5. Toyota RAV4: 5,863 registrations
Telsa Semi 0
Tesla cyertruck 0

352141352142352143

https://i.insider.com/6345bf5e39a9f1001232a864?width=500&format=jpeg

[1/32 man]

He has another video where he repairs a customer Tesla for some small amount of money that Tesla were going to charge $16k for.

I saw that one....it's all about the money and the money equals power and when one man has a lot of power he fucks things up for everyone else.

[pritch]

He has another video where he repairs a customer Tesla for some small amount of money that Tesla were going to charge $16k for.

This is one such.

The connector where the coolant enters the battery is plastic. The connector is also somewhat exposed under the car so that if you run over something hard it can break the plastic connector. The Tesla remedy is a new NZ$20, 000 plus battery pack. There is a clip showing a mechanic cut iff the damaged connector and instal a simple pipe union. Reconnect - job done.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8-OkfCcRAo

[pritch]

He has another video where he repairs a customer Tesla for some small amount of money that Tesla were going to charge $16k for.

This is one such.

The connector where the coolant enters the battery is plastic. The connector is also somewhat exposed under the car so that if you run over something hard it can break the plastic connector. The Tesla remedy is a new NZ$20, 000 plus battery pack. There is a clip showing a mechanic cut off the damaged connector and instal a simple pipe union. Reconnect - job done.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8-OkfCcRAo

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Tesla just announced massive price drops in the US across the board

Model Y LR is now $13,000 cheaper before the tax credit and $20,500 cheaper including the tax credit

Traditional auto manufacturers are fucked!! bye bye gas guzzling dinosaurs!Like Ford and Holden in OZ, and the NZ car manufacturers of the 80s, they will soon be assigned to the books of history !! Ohhh yeah baby.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Tesla just announced massive price drops in the US across the board

Model Y LR is now $13,000 cheaper before the tax credit and $20,500 cheaper including the tax credit

Traditional auto manufacturers are fucked!! bye bye gas guzzling dinosaurs!Like Ford and Holden in OZ, and the NZ car manufacturers of the 80s, they will soon be assigned to the books of history !! Ohhh yeah baby.

https://youtu.be/P1YPRV-uSwM

[pete376403]

Tesla just announced massive price drops in the US across the board

Model Y LR is now $13,000 cheaper before the tax credit and $20,500 cheaper including the tax credit

Traditional auto manufacturers are fucked!! bye bye gas guzzling dinosaurs!Like Ford and Holden in OZ, and the NZ car manufacturers of the 80s, they will soon be assigned to the books of history !! Ohhh yeah baby.

Meanwhile in NZ: The Model Y’s pricing has seen more modest change, with the entry-level grade now priced from $75,900 (a $300 price cut) and the dual-motor Performance priced from $105,900 (a $3000 price cut).The move ends a series of steady price increases given to the Model 3 in particular, with the most affordable model’s retail price increasing by almost $8000 between July of 2021 and June of 2022.

[Laava]

Hahahaha! Think I can buy an awesome new ute for less than the cheapest Tesla! Might wait for a few more years and see what happens

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Meanwhile in NZ: The Model Y’s pricing has seen more modest change, with the entry-level grade now priced from $75,900 (a $300 price cut) and the dual-motor Performance priced from $105,900 (a $3000 price cut).The move ends a series of steady price increases given to the Model 3 in particular, with the most affordable model’s retail price increasing by almost $8000 between July of 2021 and June of 2022.

Tesla price is 70k for base model 3 not included is the tax credit of 8k or fuel savings.

So 62k ish or 52k ish with fuel savings

https://www.tesla.com/en_nz/model3/design#overview

For those of you who don't understand business and how profit margins works which seems like most of you, each price cut opens further market share with each price reduction captures each income bracket until you eventually own the entire market as prices continue to fall and your competitors go bankrupt.

[george formby]

For those of you who don't understand business and how profit margins works which seems like most of you, each price cut opens further market share with each price reduction captures each income bracket until you eventually own the entire market as prices continue to fall and your competitors go bankrupt.

I've noticed the commodity prices, on which Tesla tech is based are skyrocketing, lithium, cobalt etc. Not being in a position to question your authority on Tesla, Musk or the share markets (I can see, touch and spend my capital investments) I, nevertheless, am very interested to see how this pans out.

Seeing Elon make history by losing more money than anyone who has gone before him does not incline me to think that it will end well.

Some interesting reading. https://www.hotcars.com/defunct-car-manufacturers-and-why-they-failed/

[Hoonicorn]

Tesla price is 70k for base model 3 not included is the tax credit of 8k or fuel savings.

So 62k ish or 52k ish with fuel savings

https://www.tesla.com/en_nz/model3/design#overview

For those of you who don't understand business and how profit margins works which seems like most of you, each price cut opens further market share with each price reduction captures each income bracket until you eventually own the entire market as prices continue to fall and your competitors go bankrupt.

Having Tesla in the marketplace pushes competition and innovation, and the winners are customers. I see a lot of Teslas and they are easily identifiable compared with other electric cars which just look the same as anything else.

[husaberg]

Meanwhile in NZ: The Model Y’s pricing has seen more modest change, with the entry-level grade now priced from $75,900 (a $300 price cut) and the dual-motor Performance priced from $105,900 (a $3000 price cut).The move ends a series of steady price increases given to the Model 3 in particular, with the most affordable model’s retail price increasing by almost $8000 between July of 2021 and June of 2022.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/31/investing/tesla-profitability/index.html



Tesla posted its first full year of net income in 2020 – but not because of sales to its customers.

Eleven states require automakers sell a certain percentage of zero-emissions vehicles by 2025. If they can’t, the automakers have to buy regulatory credits from another automaker that meets those requirements – such as Tesla, which exclusively sells electric cars.

It’s a lucrative business for Tesla – bringing in $3.3 billion over the course of the last five years, nearly half of that in 2020 alone. The $1.6 billion in regulatory credits it received last year far outweighed Tesla’s net income of $721 million – meaning Tesla would have otherwise posted a net loss in 2020.

“These guys are losing money selling cars. They’re making money selling credits.

[nerrrd]

Having Tesla in the marketplace pushes competition and innovation, and the winners are customers. I see a lot of Teslas and they are easily identifiable compared with other electric cars which just look the same as anything else.

To be fair, the main reason Teslas are easily identifiable is they all look the same – they've pretty obviously taken a lot of cues from the modern Porsche design philosophy.

In a lot of ways Tesla seems to me like the Apple of the electric car world, taking existing ideas and refining them while building a proprietary ecosystem. And it's worked extremely well for Apple.

It hasn't put their competitors out of business, though.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

In a lot of ways Tesla seems to me like the Apple of the electric car world, taking existing ideas and refining them while building a proprietary ecosystem. And it's worked extremely well for Apple.

It hasn't put their competitors out of business, though.

Tell that to Nokia or Motorola and Blackberry

You can keep making insignificant phones that nobody buys, but you can't keep making cars that nobody buys with the cost of production.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_defunct_automobile_manufacturers_of_the_Un ited_States

[nerrrd]

Ironically my current phone is a Nokia and the one before that was a Motorola :laugh:.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Ironically my current phone is a Nokia and the one before that was a Motorola :laugh:.

Is any one surprised by this statement, tell us how the Great depression was in 1929 why don't you.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

No one replies to Husenberg because she only knows how to Google search then copy and paste someone else's outdated news story.

Husenberger lacks the intelligence to think for oneself, similar to R650R who has an advanced masters degree in YouTube .

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

I'm sorry for my unkind comments.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

I'm sorry for my unkind comments.

No, not really.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Hahahaha! Think I can buy an awesome new ute for less than the cheapest Tesla! Might wait for a few more years and see what happens

This fellow tried to add me to his ignore list, but found me too irresistibly sexy and intelligent to ignore, I mean , who could blame him?

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Despite Elon Musk stating it is not Teslas goal to do so, When Tesla pulls the trigger and lowers the cost of there cars further as production increases

Tesla will eventually kill off many legacy auto manufacturers

Only governments will be able to keep these manufacturers on life support

Why?

Because the automotive unions will be donating to left wing political parties to keep them alive.

Imagine having to pay union fees not to campaign on your behalf for better wage and working conditions, but to keep you employed because your company is being eaten alive Tesla.

[1/32 man]

Once the truth about battery production, battery life, and battery disposal becomes well known Tesla might have to rethink their stance of world dominance.

Hydrogen mate? Hydrogen!

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Once the truth about battery production, battery life, and battery disposal becomes well known Tesla might have to rethink their stance of world dominance.

Hydrogen mate? Hydrogen!

Your more than welcome to drive around on an unstable atomic bomb if you wish, try finding a place to fill up, perhaps you can fill your hydrogen bomb at home...oh wait .

[R650R]

Once the truth about battery production, battery life, and battery disposal becomes well known Tesla might have to rethink their stance of world dominance.

Hydrogen mate? Hydrogen!

It’s the basic maths on raw materials too. A top investment expert says at no time in human history has the production of raw materials needed been able to be increased at the massive level since needed.
But then the elite don’t want us to have freedom of movement anyway. They will legislate petrol out and make electric the only thing, it’s just everyday joe won’t be able to afford one.
If Tesla does make a Henry Ford style car for the masses it will just be a short lived trap to make us let go of petrol cause there ain’t enough minerals for everyone to have one.
Tesla is the Trojan horse of our time.

[husaberg]

In a lot of ways Tesla seems to me like the Apple of the electric car world, taking existing ideas and refining them while building a proprietary ecosystem. And it's worked extremely well for Apple.

It hasn't put their competitors out of business, though.
If they want to follow apple....


There is one aspect of Apple's retail model that stands out the most: Apple doesn't offer discounts. Apple has a no-discount pricing strategy with the products it sells in its own Apple retail stores.


Apple Makes Plans to Move Production Out of China
The iPhone maker is looking to further diversify the supply chain that has powered its growth
Turmoil at a place called iPhone City helped propel Apple’s shift. At the giant city-within-a-city in Zhengzhou, China, as many as 300,000 workers work at a factory run by Foxconn to make iPhones and other Apple products. At one point, it alone made about 85% of the Pro lineup of iPhones, according to market-research firm Counterpoint Research.
The Zhengzhou factory was convulsed in late November by violent protests. In videos posted online, workers upset about wages and Covid-19 restrictions could be seen throwing items and shouting “Stand up for your rights!” Riot police were present, the videos show. The location of one of the videos was verified by the news agency and video-verification service Storyful. The Wall Street Journal corroborated events shown in the videos with workers at the site.



Shares were down 2.6% on Friday, following the stock's worst year since its inception due to delivery issues and growing competition.
Tesla fans and customers complained the price cuts disadvantaged those who had recently bought a vehicle.

Greg Woodfill in Seattle, who bought a Model Y in December, had considered waiting until the new year to get the U.S. subsidy, but was lured by a discount at the time of $3,750.

"It's a punch in the gut, to be honest," he told Reuters on Friday, adding that it feels unfair Tesla sought to boost fourth-quarter sales with discounts, only to cut prices even more a month later.In China, where Tesla cut prices last week by 6-13.5%, owners protested at delivery centres, calling for compensation.
For 2021, the United States and China combined had accounted for about 75% of Tesla sales,
The company’s production capacity should be much higher in 2023 than in previous years with those factories, but bearish analysts have voiced concerns over a possible “demand cliff.”


Tesla is now facing more competition, higher interest rates and slower consumer spending than in recent years, Bernstein analysts wrote in a note on Jan. 12.

They said, “We believe that many investors underestimate the magnitude of the demand challenges Tesla is facing.” However, the firm has had an “underperform” rating and price target of $150 on shares of Tesla after the company’s share price declined in recent months.

[R650R]

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2023/01/10/elon-musk-guinness-world-record-biggest-net-worth-drop.html

Now officially the worlds biggest loser lol
Someone did maths recently, every time he spoke he was losing 50 million dollars an hour or something

[Hoonicorn]

Your more than welcome to drive around on an unstable atomic bomb if you wish, try finding a place to fill up, perhaps you can fill your hydrogen bomb at home...oh wait .

Or no batteries, no hydrogen fuel cells, just renewable energy and synthetic fuel.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOUjXNheBZA

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2023/01/10/elon-musk-guinness-world-record-biggest-net-worth-drop.html

Now officially the worlds biggest loser lol
Someone did maths recently, every time he spoke he was losing 50 million dollars an hour or something

Last I heard he's to the second wealthiest person on earth with a fortune of wait for it...$146 billion

You would be happy to be the wealthiest person on your street... now your the definition of a loser.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Aotearoa

Land of the tall poppy syndrome.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Last I heard he's to the second wealthiest person on earth with a fortune of wait for it...$146 billion

You would be happy to be the wealthiest person on your street... now your the definition of a loser.

I'll add to this for the people suffering from tall poppy syndrome like R650R

If you had 1 billion dollars, to spend it in one life time, would be impossible.

That's one thousand million dollars,

Elon Musk has a net worth of 146 thousand million

His great, great, great great grandchildren won't be able to spend his fortune in there life time.

So Musk is trying to move the automotive industry to renewable energy and build a civilization on Mars before he dies

And R650R comes up with the "he's a loser comment"

Let that sink in...

[husaberg]

I'll add to this for the people suffering from tall poppy syndrome like R650R

If you had 1 billion dollars, to spend it in one life time, would be impossible.

That's one thousand million dollars,

Elon Musk has a net worth of 146 thousand million
..

he lost $20 million in fines from the stock exchange with just one tweet.
His personal legal bills to twitter were about 100 Million

This year Twitter will pay a US$150 million (NZ$230m) penalty and put in new safeguards to settle federal regulators allegations that the social platform failed to protect the privacy of users data over a six-year span.
but they have just had a similar breach in the last 2 weeks so i would expect the fines to be twice as high.

Musk used to maintain an aura of being a genius but that has certainly worn off the more people see him in real life.


https://www.wired.com/story/twitter-leak-200-million-user-email-addresses/
https://www.reuters.com/technology/twitter-hacked-200-million-user-email-addresses-leaked-researcher-says-2023-01-05/


Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation has distributed over $60 billion to charities over the years

in 2021
Rank Donor or donors Amount in millions
1 Bill Gates and Melinda French Gates $15,000.
2 Michael Bloomberg $1,660
3 William Ackman and Neri Oxman $1,200
4 Mark Zuckerberg and Priscilla Chan $1,049
5 Sergey Brin and Nicole Shanahan $816$
6 Jack Dorsey $765
7 Denny Sanford $725
8 Phil and Penny Knight $700
9 Jeff Bezos $511
10 Patrick and Shirley Ryan $480

[R650R]

What sort of people drive a Tesla????


https://youtu.be/cZ2xQGmRaLw

[Hoonicorn]

What sort of people drive a Tesla????



That angry man is still assaulting people 6 months after that case.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNQhYnRQ2cs

[pritch]

Synthetic fuel? Thereby hangs a tragic tale. We had the world's first production synthetic fuel plant. The government sold it off to a company that wasn't interested in synthetic fuel, only in methanol. The methanol production units were maintained, the synthetic fuel unit was cut up and sold for scrap.

[pritch]

This clip explains the blip in sales of electric cars in November December in Europe and elsewhere. Those with limited attention spans will only need to watch the first five or six minutes or thereabout.

Basically the December sales figures are misleading. You need to check the sales figures for the whole year.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCywUzKJs30

[pritch]

It must be a fine line between bullshit artist and conman.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/01/17/investing/elon-musk-federal-lawsuit/index.html

[husaberg]

It must be a fine line between bullshit artist and conman.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/01/17/investing/elon-musk-federal-lawsuit/index.html

hes been trying to get this one thrown out no doubt as it shows hes guilty....

The whole dispute stems from an October 2018 agreement with the SEC that Musk signed. He and Tesla each agreed to pay $20 million in civil fines over Musk’s tweets about having the “funding secured” to take Tesla private at $420 per share.
In April, U.S. District Judge Lewis Liman in New York rejected Musk’s bid to throw out the settlement that he signed with the SEC. He also denied a motion to nullify a subpoena of Musk seeking information about possible violations of the settlement.


Look like the SEC has a muzzle on him making statements about telsa shares with a okay from a telsa laywer as a result of this.
but turns out he hasn't been doing this.


The settlement required that his tweets be approved by a Tesla attorney before being published. The SEC is investigating whether Musk violated the settlement with tweets last November asking Twitter followers if he should sell 10% of his Tesla stock.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Tesla stock up 60% in one month

This is why I'm smart and you are not

This is why I'm wealthy and you are not

It's also the reason I'm just so damn sexy and attractive... and you are not.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Tesla model Y was the 4th best selling car world wide in 2022

It will be the number 1 selling car in 2023 as prices are lowered and manufacturing ramped up further

Let that sink in.



https://youtu.be/NBqMKVt51f8

[pritch]

Tesla stock up 60% in one month


To a bit over half what it was a few months ago?

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Tesla model Y was the 4th best selling car world wide in 2022

It will be the number 1 selling car in 2023 as prices are lowered and manufacturing ramped up further

Let that sink in.



https://youtu.be/NBqMKVt51f8


Global Best Selling Cars in 2022
1. Toyota Corolla: 1.12m (-2%)
2. Toyota RAV4: 870k (-14%)
3. Ford F-Series: 787k (-9%)
4. Tesla Model Y: 759k (+88%)
5. Toyota Camry: 675k (-3%)
6. Honda CR-V: 601k (-18%)
7. Tesla Model 3: 596k (+4%)

[R650R]

I'll add to this for the people suffering from tall poppy syndrome like R650R

If you had 1 billion dollars, to spend it in one life time, would be impossible.

That's one thousand million dollars,

Elon Musk has a net worth of 146 thousand million

His great, great, great great grandchildren won't be able to spend his fortune in there life time.

So Musk is trying to move the automotive industry to renewable energy and build a civilization on Mars before he dies

And R650R comes up with the "he's a loser comment"

Let that sink in...

I could spend a billion dollars quite easily. After buying what houses, islands and bikes I want I’d still have enough to be a philanthropist and give NZ’rs 18months of free dental care so that now Jacinda is gone everyone will have lovely smile.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

I could spend a billion dollars quite easily. After buying what houses, islands and bikes I want I’d still have enough to be a philanthropist and give NZ’rs 18months of free dental care so that now Jacinda is gone everyone will have lovely smile.

A typical response from someone who doesn't understand how money works.

The more real estate you buy, the more it would eventually increase in value so you would be increasing your wealth , not spending it, and you could buy a motorcycle museum and you wouldn't scratch the surface of a billion dollars.

And why would you want to fix poor peoples teeth for free?

So they can not look after them? giving free dental health care away will eventually be unappreciated and expected more often...it's much easier than brushing your teeth twice a day and avoiding shit food when you can pay to fix there bad habits for, welfare is a trap not an answer.

Stop thinking like a poor boy.

[husaberg]

A typical response from someone who doesn't understand how money works.

The more real estate you buy, the more it would eventually increase in value so you would be increasing your wealth , not spending it, and you could buy a motorcycle museum and you wouldn't scratch the surface of a billion dollars.

And why would you want to fix poor peoples teeth for free?

So they can not look after them? giving free dental health care away will eventually be unappreciated and expected more often...it's much easier than brushing your teeth twice a day and avoiding shit food when you can pay to fix there bad habits for, welfare is a trap not an answer.

Stop thinking like a poor boy.

You're not a very complicated troll are you, did you mum not show you enough attention? was your father absent or did your uncle show you a little too much....

[pritch]

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-64376727?xtor=AL-72-%5Bpartner%5D-%5Bbbc.news.twitter%5D-%5Bheadline%5D-%5Bnews%5D-%5Bbizdev%5D-%5Bisapi%5D&at_format=link&at_campaign_type=owned&at_medium=social&at_link_origin=BBC_News&at_link_type=web_link&at_bbc_team=editorial&at_campaign=Social_Flow&at_ptr_name=facebook_page&at_link_id=2E3C6CE4-9FC9-11ED-81EC-84F415F31EAE&fbclid=IwAR2aJZmvxN7xAqVGCFSMruP0hKuEhpWV9PDcToFnF hxivL-31o7WFyG9Xj0

[Laava]

Haha, what a cock!

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-64376727?xtor=AL-72-%5Bpartner%5D-%5Bbbc.news.twitter%5D-%5Bheadline%5D-%5Bnews%5D-%5Bbizdev%5D-%5Bisapi%5D&at_format=link&at_campaign_type=owned&at_medium=social&at_link_origin=BBC_News&at_link_type=web_link&at_bbc_team=editorial&at_campaign=Social_Flow&at_ptr_name=facebook_page&at_link_id=2E3C6CE4-9FC9-11ED-81EC-84F415F31EAE&fbclid=IwAR2aJZmvxN7xAqVGCFSMruP0hKuEhpWV9PDcToFnF hxivL-31o7WFyG9Xj0

You must be well & truly brainwashed by mainstream media

Good little tax slave.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Haha, what a cock!
This thread is debating the merits of Elon Musk

Not your excitement over male genitalia.

[TheDemonLord]

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-64376727?xtor=AL-72-%5Bpartner%5D-%5Bbbc.news.twitter%5D-%5Bheadline%5D-%5Bnews%5D-%5Bbizdev%5D-%5Bisapi%5D&at_format=link&at_campaign_type=owned&at_medium=social&at_link_origin=BBC_News&at_link_type=web_link&at_bbc_team=editorial&at_campaign=Social_Flow&at_ptr_name=facebook_page&at_link_id=2E3C6CE4-9FC9-11ED-81EC-84F415F31EAE&fbclid=IwAR2aJZmvxN7xAqVGCFSMruP0hKuEhpWV9PDcToFnF hxivL-31o7WFyG9Xj0

The part I find interesting about the article is that a Tesla is not a Vehicle to her. It is very much a physical display of devotion to the cause. A Tesla is (or rather, was...) the equivalent of a Christian wearing a Crucifix.

And why I find this interesting, is because if she truly believed that driving a Tesla was good for the environment - it would not be an embarrassment.

It's an Embarrassment because a Tesla is no longer the big and expensive public display of virtue that she thought it was. This proves it has nothing to do with a desire to save the Environment (and I would add that that every other Woke Crusade likewise falls under this aspect), and everything to do with being perceived as Holy and Pious by ones peers.

In case you are wondering, yes I am using religious language for a reason.

[neels]

Watch out. The Chinese are coming..

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[R650R]

The part I find interesting about the article is that a Tesla is not a Vehicle to her. It is very much a physical display of devotion to the cause. A Tesla is (or rather, was...) the equivalent of a Christian wearing a Crucifix.

And why I find this interesting, is because if she truly believed that driving a Tesla was good for the environment - it would not be an embarrassment.

It's an Embarrassment because a Tesla is no longer the big and expensive public display of virtue that she thought it was. This proves it has nothing to do with a desire to save the Environment (and I would add that that every other Woke Crusade likewise falls under this aspect), and everything to do with being perceived as Holy and Pious by ones peers.

In case you are wondering, yes I am using religious language for a reason.

It must be doubly painful for those types as they realise their messiah Electric Jesus is definitely leaning to the right of political spectrum.
You don’t hear of him say installing free solar powered water pumping stations in drought ridden countries etc. Even king doofus Bill Gates felt sorry for inflicting Microsoft on the world and delved into philanthropy...,

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Me in my new Tesla Plaid ...getting all the ladies!


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[Berries]

Haha, what a cock!


This thread is debating the merits of Elon Musk

Not your excitement over male genitalia.
He was talking about you.

[Laava]

Haha, what a cock!

[husaberg]

Haha, what a cock!

He appears to be over compensating for the lack of comments in that direction with likely more in the general line someone crying fowl a light package presented ....

[mashman]

Klaus is "dead". Long live the King?

"Master Plan 3, the path to a fully sustainable energy future for Earth will be presented on March 1," Musk tweeted on Wednesday. (https://www.reuters.com/technology/elon-musk-unveil-teslas-master-plan-3-first-investor-day-2023-02-08/)

[R650R]

Klaus is "dead". Long live the King?

"Master Plan 3, the path to a fully sustainable energy future for Earth will be presented on March 1," Musk tweeted on Wednesday. (https://www.reuters.com/technology/elon-musk-unveil-teslas-master-plan-3-first-investor-day-2023-02-08/)

🤣😆😂🤣🤣😆😆🤣😂😂🤣

But wait there’s more infomercial ring to it...,

“In 2006 and 2016, the billionaire laid out his vision for the electric carmaker, but much of the plans have yet to be achieved.”

Oh well I guess thunderfoot will be bringing out a new video debunking whatever kooky ideas musk has. Nothing can be “fully sustainable” without mass genocide as we don’t have enough rare earth minerals for everybody to have all the new gizmos of electric Jesus world.

I can’t wait for the lolz

[sugilite]

Klaus is "dead". Long live the King?

"Master Plan 3, the path to a fully sustainable energy future for Earth will be presented on March 1," Musk tweeted on Wednesday. (https://www.reuters.com/technology/elon-musk-unveil-teslas-master-plan-3-first-investor-day-2023-02-08/)

Will this sustainable energy system be implemented before, or after the cyber truck goes into production?

[pzkpfw]

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/02/09/politics/spacex-ukrainian-troops-satellite-technology/index.html


SpaceX admits blocking Ukrainian troops from using satellite technology

[pritch]

Twitter is still shedding people, viewers as well as staff. I'm seeing people bid farewell most days and I've finally figured out where I'm headed.

Meanwhile back at the office: https://www.platformer.news/p/elon-musk-fires-a-top-twitter-engineer

[mashman]

🤣😆😂🤣🤣😆😆🤣😂😂🤣

But wait there’s more infomercial ring to it...,

“In 2006 and 2016, the billionaire laid out his vision for the electric carmaker, but much of the plans have yet to be achieved.”

Oh well I guess thunderfoot will be bringing out a new video debunking whatever kooky ideas musk has. Nothing can be “fully sustainable” without mass genocide as we don’t have enough rare earth minerals for everybody to have all the new gizmos of electric Jesus world.

I can’t wait for the lolz

Well, if he has anywhere near the tech that Nik Tesla had, you know that fella from about 100 years ago of which musky has many of his patents, it could be anything. I'll go for, The beginning of wireless battery charging in minutes with the promise of wireless transmission and batteryless cars to come.

"You do not realize that Taco Bell was the only restaurant to survive the franchise wars. Now all restaurants are Taco Bell." - Lenina Huxley to John Spartan, in Demolition Man (superb movie)


Will this sustainable energy system be implemented before, or after the cyber truck goes into production?

That thing is super super fugly. It should not be produced at all. Not one of 'em. I go as far as eyesore. The energy thing, it's an investor day innit. Plenty of dreams to sell to a desperate world.

[sugilite]

That thing is super super fugly. It should not be produced at all. Not one of 'em. I go as far as eyesore. The energy thing, it's an investor day innit. Plenty of dreams to sell to a desperate world.
100 % agreed - fucking fugly, also looks ill suited for purpose. There is a reason why car manufacturers bar delorian do not use stainless steel on production cars, wonder if tesla will work it out in time why that is.

[TheDemonLord]

100 % agreed - fucking fugly, also looks ill suited for purpose. There is a reason why car manufacturers bar delorian do not use stainless steel on production cars, wonder if tesla will work it out in time why that is.

On the plus side though, we could get another movie about Time Travel in a really awesome looking Vehicle...

[sugilite]

That sounds great! What awesome looking vehicle might that be? :whistle:

[TheDemonLord]

That sounds great! What awesome looking vehicle might that be? :whistle:

Looks like someone has already thought of it:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/CtZm-D9zMEU/maxresdefault.jpg

All I'm gonna say is - any vehicle is made cooler with big jet cooling things, folding flying wheels and a Flux Capacitor....

[sugilite]

Due to the engineers unique take on wheel orientation, I would be nervous about giving everything shes got scotty :sweatdrop

[R650R]

... with the promise of wireless transmission and batteryless cars to come.



Yeah he’s world champion at making promises....

But people are interested in stuff being delivered that you can actually obtain.

Musk is modern day snake oil salesman, except he rolls into town before he’s even bottled any coloured lotions in jars.

He’s on a hiding to nothing anyway. The extreme left who seemed to have infiltrated all levels of academia and politics are totally aghast at the idea of personal medium to long range transport line we havenow with either petrol or electric.
They want us living in 15 min supercities where nothing you need is ever more than 15 mins away. Kinda like original flavour level 3 lockdown except you will be expected to take bus,tram or walk/cycle.
Enjoy your freedoms while you can people.

[nerrrd]

Yeah he’s world champion at making promises....

But people are interested in stuff being delivered that you can actually obtain.

SpaceX is slowly but surely delivering though. Falcon 9 boosters which have flown up to 15 times, and this baby has more thrust (and engines) than any booster ever built and is designed to do the same. Sure, maybe it's not that relevant to the average person, but technologically it's very impressive.


https://youtu.be/QfIdwskWABk

[R650R]

SpaceX is slowly but surely delivering though. Falcon 9 boosters which have flown up to 15 times, and this baby has more thrust (and engines) than any booster ever built and is designed to do the same. Sure, maybe it's not that relevant to the average person, but technologically it's very impressive.


https://youtu.be/QfIdwskWABk

Yes I’ll agree that has been very successful but likely Musk has done is but/finance someone else’s intellectual knowledge. Bit like saying Trump is an expert at building casinos. Plus it’s the whole private enterprise thing compared to a money sucking govt agency like nasa.
But he goes on to make ridiculous claims that shows he has no clear mechanical/physics understanding and doesn’t do research of how it would work. Thunderfoots videos posted earlier showing the lack of space for 100 people to travel to mars, Lack of space for water/food etc, and the silly idea of landing vertically on a foreign planet, how does everyone get out etc.
He makes outlandish claims during media interviews, you can see he just making it up on the spot. And then he just runs with it, never says hey I prob was a bit optimistic on that etc...

[mashman]

100 % agreed - fucking fugly, also looks ill suited for purpose. There is a reason why car manufacturers bar delorian do not use stainless steel on production cars, wonder if tesla will work it out in time why that is.

Was the delorian bulletproof? It won't matter. It never does. Different r cool, specially when ya savin the planet like.


Yeah he’s world champion at making promises....

But people are interested in stuff being delivered that you can actually obtain.

Musk is modern day snake oil salesman, except he rolls into town before he’s even bottled any coloured lotions in jars.


Isn't that what the whole looking for investors things is about? You have an idea that needs funding and the rich part with $ if they see an ROI at any stage of development. Who knows what he has up his sleeve. Praps a trip into making that phone he floated. Oh the monopoly he could wield. And tomorrow Pinky........



He’s on a hiding to nothing anyway. The extreme left who seemed to have infiltrated all levels of academia and politics are totally aghast at the idea of personal medium to long range transport line we havenow with either petrol or electric.
They want us living in 15 min supercities where nothing you need is ever more than 15 mins away. Kinda like original flavour level 3 lockdown except you will be expected to take bus,tram or walk/cycle.
Enjoy your freedoms while you can people.

That 5 minute City the WEF put out looked kinda nice. Personally, I'm alright with the notion of a 15 minute city. Things are a little crazy around planet earth at the moment so blah blah blah.

[R650R]

Was the delorian bulletproof? It won't matter. It never does. Different r cool, specially when ya savin the planet like.



Isn't that what the whole looking for investors things is about? You have an idea that needs funding and the rich part with $ if they see an ROI at any stage of development. Who knows what he has up his sleeve. Praps a trip into making that phone he floated. Oh the monopoly he could wield. And tomorrow Pinky........



That 5 minute City the WEF put out looked kinda nice. Personally, I'm alright with the notion of a 15 minute city. Things are a little crazy around planet earth at the moment so blah blah blah.

Looking for investors is fine if you have a sound proof of concept/business plan. But Musk survives on cult of personality with a big dollop of California startup pie in sky dreams stuff.

15minute cities are gulags, some may be fine with them but it’s definately not thevkiwi way of life.

[mashman]

Looking for investors is fine if you have a sound proof of concept/business plan. But Musk survives on cult of personality with a big dollop of California startup pie in sky dreams stuff.

15minute cities are gulags, some may be fine with them but it’s definately not thevkiwi way of life.

Indeed. FTX and Theranos being the 2 most recent that I've seen would state that the potential for cash often meets with sound proofs of concept/business plans and still end in tears. Risk eh. Some can afford it, some just get to suffer the consequences. Musk, as yet, is far from that point and moving forwards according to share price and so on...

As an almost youngun I lived in a wee toon that you could walk from one end of to the other in about 15 minutes. Great pork pies at the petrol stations bookending two of the exists and a roundabout with a favourable camber for finding out how far over you couldn't lean offering fun at the other. They have their merits... something we're unlikely to get to again.

[nerrrd]

Yes IÂ’ll agree that has been very successful but likely Musk has done is but/finance someone elseÂ’s intellectual knowledge. Bit like saying Trump is an expert at building casinos. Plus itÂ’s the whole private enterprise thing compared to a money sucking govt agency like nasa.
But he goes on to make ridiculous claims that shows he has no clear mechanical/physics understanding and doesnÂ’t do research of how it would work. Thunderfoots videos posted earlier showing the lack of space for 100 people to travel to mars, Lack of space for water/food etc, and the silly idea of landing vertically on a foreign planet, how does everyone get out etc.
He makes outlandish claims during media interviews, you can see he just making it up on the spot. And then he just runs with it, never says hey I prob was a bit optimistic on that etc...

SpaceX has a couple of billion dollars worth of contracts from NASA, they've taken over servicing the ISS and regularly launch payloads for the US military as well. I doubt if they'd still be in business if they had to rely on income from private enterprise. NASA's Artemis programme is relying on SpaceX to build the lander for the moon, so at least they'll be able to practise there first. They'll need multiple successful launches of that giant booster just to do that, but it should be achievable.

As far as I'm concerned, sending squishy humans any further into space than that is nuts, and I'm not convinced it will ever happen. Which is why you need someone like Elon running this kind of thing, with enough ambition to try it anyway so that they can prove people like me wrong (eventually).

[Beekeeper]

Elon has something, hubris, hucksterism, wealthy parents... whatever but if you look carefully there's a lot of bullshit and a lot of good luck. Tesla is struggling, they have gone from huge wait lists to discounts as other manufacturers offer EV's that are better/cheaper and dont have the musk stench. I predict Tesla will be just another minor player in that space unless they ditch boy wonder and put real execs in charge.

On the subject of EV's, we are going to have fossil vehicles pretty much forever. You simply cannot produce the minerals in the quantities needed to build solar/wind power and car batteries. Its a greenie pipe dream, now what this means is that despite the touchy feelie lets transition to electric (BULLSHIT) by (pick a bogus date) its never going to happen and the cost of the batteries (minerals) is going to go through the roof. Moreover how the fuck do these drongos think they are going to charge all these cars? Well Ill tell you how we do it now, coal!

Our bikes are a green as they get, also fuck that musk cunt.

[pritch]

Musk has ideas, usually somebody else's, and he's apparently a great salesman. For me his abilities were summed up in his suggestion of a submarine to extract the Thai kids trapped in a cave. A nice idea but completely absurd in reality.

[Beekeeper]

Musk has ideas, usually somebody else's, and he's apparently a great salesman. For me his abilities were summed up in his suggestion of a submarine to extract the Thai kids trapped in a cave. A nice idea but completely absurd in reality.

Then calling the guy that rescued them a pedo- musk is a class act.

How about his hyperloop or boring company or EV truck which totally sucks...

[pritch]

Then calling the guy that rescued them a pedo- musk is a class act.

How about his hyperloop or boring company or EV truck which totally sucks...


The Pom rescuer sued Musk but lost. He wouldn't have known, but his lawyer was one of Trump's band of merry misfits. They don't win many cases it seems.

[sugilite]

I'm sure this would have nothing to do with Elon wanting to force Ukraine towards his previously touted so called "peace" plan. :rolleyes:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/300806807/ukraines-use-of-spacex-satellites-risks-starting-world-war-three-elon-musk-says

[TheDemonLord]

I'm sure this would have nothing to do with Elon wanting to force Ukraine towards his previously touted so called "peace" plan. :rolleyes:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/300806807/ukraines-use-of-spacex-satellites-risks-starting-world-war-three-elon-musk-says

I'm also sure it has nothing to do with it.

There's a rather long history of so-called 'Dual-Use' technology having caveats and restrictions placed on it for Commercial use, so as to disallow it being used in a Military context.

GPS springs to mind with the restrictions on altitude and speed for Commercial receivers.

SpaceX for civilian use, to communicate with their families, flee from the front-line etc. is all completely fine.

SpaceX being used for Military purposes (Intel sharing/gathering, troop co-ordination etc.) is an issue.

Kinda like if you have a Red Cross or a Red Crescent on a vehicle and you do anything other than help the wounded. If you start using technology that has a legitimate civilian use, for a military use - then it becomes a legitimate target.

The Lusitania is a good example - regardless of which side of the story you place more weight on - was she a Passenger liner and so not a legitimate target, or did the presence of her carrying Ammunition and Explosives mean she was a legitimate military target?

[sugilite]

Yes, I'm sure left unchecked it will be sure to start world war 3. Save the world elon I beg you.

[TheDemonLord]

Yes, I'm sure left unchecked it will be sure to start world war 3. Save the world elon I beg you.

The issue is that if a foreign entity (SpaceX/Starlink) is providing military resources to the Ukraine, that entity is now a legitimate military target.

There's a fair amount of precedent in Submarine warfare in WW1/WW2 where vessels that were flagged under neutral nations, but where supplying materiel to the enemy became targets.

Now, would Russia launch an attack on SpaceX/Starlink? Before the invasion I'd have said no - that's suicidal and guarantees an escalation of the War.

But then I thought the same thing about the initial invasion and I was wrong on that point.

it, in of itself, might not lead to WW3, but it could be a key link in a chain of events that lead to escalation.

[pritch]

Starting at 1.00PM tomorrow, Australian Eastern time, Hyundai Australia are "dumping" hundreds of Ionic 5 and Ioniq 6 cars online. The word "dumping" may be sales hyperbole but it's an indication that Australians have not been rushing to buy electric cars if they need discount inducements like this.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Starting at 1.00PM tomorrow, Australian Eastern time, Hyundai Australia are "dumping" hundreds of Ionic 5 and Ioniq 6 cars online. The word "dumping" may be sales hyperbole but it's an indication that Australians have not been rushing to buy electric cars if they need discount inducements like this.

Tesla model 3 was the number 1 selling car in OZ for the month of January.

No one gives a fuck about an electric Hyundai.

[george formby]

Tesla model 3 was the number 1 selling car in OZ for the month of January.

No one gives a fuck about an electric Hyundai.

No, that's just you.

Our local health board runs a fleet of electric Hundays. Can't get moved for the buggers round here.

I guess it's because they are rational, not elitist. The health board, that is.

[TheDemonLord]

Starting at 1.00PM tomorrow, Australian Eastern time, Hyundai Australia are "dumping" hundreds of Ionic 5 and Ioniq 6 cars online. The word "dumping" may be sales hyperbole but it's an indication that Australians have not been rushing to buy electric cars if they need discount inducements like this.

I'd hazard a guess that the uniqueness of the Australian outback and the big distances between some cities is a limiting factor.

[husaberg]

I'm sure this would have nothing to do with Elon wanting to force Ukraine towards his previously touted so called "peace" plan. :rolleyes:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/300806807/ukraines-use-of-spacex-satellites-risks-starting-world-war-three-elon-musk-says

oddly peace loving elon launched this service.... odd aye....
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/05/spacex-unveils-starshield-a-military-variation-of-starlink-satellites.html.....

Starshield is likely to further tap the company’s biggest U.S. government customer – the Pentagon – which already represents a high-value buyer of SpaceX’s launches and has shown significant interest in the capabilities of Starlink.

[george formby]

A touch of the Hugo Drax?

[husaberg]

Telsa sets new cars sales record in NZ
Telsa is now, yet again, not the largest selling car in NZ for a record 2023 times in a row.
Nor is it in the top 3 for NZ electric cars sales for 2023 either.
Top Selling Electric Cars, Jan 2023
1 BYD Atto 3 (235)
2 Kia Niro (136)
3 MG ZS EV (166)

[FJRider]

I'd hazard a guess that the uniqueness of the Australian outback and the big distances between some cities is a limiting factor.

I'd hazard a guess that the size/number/population volume in the Australian cities should ensure good sales volume. Anybody wanting to do an "Outback cruise" in an EV would have to be a tad "Touched". A solar panel may help though.

Cross country excursions with solar powered vehicles has been done in the past.

The issue (I think) is more to do with local attitude ... rather than the local terrain.

[Moi]

Starting at 1.00PM tomorrow, Australian Eastern time, Hyundai Australia are "dumping" hundreds of Ionic 5 and Ioniq 6 cars online. The word "dumping" may be sales hyperbole but it's an indication that Australians have not been rushing to buy electric cars if they need discount inducements like this.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lcGLk25sMo

[pritch]

Ah yes Moi. That's where I got the news. I check in on him from time to time.

[Moi]

Ah yes Moi. That's where I got the news. I check in on him from time to time.

John has an interesting way with words at times... sounds like Hyundai taking advantage of a Federal Government EV tax break.

[neels]

I'd hazard a guess that the uniqueness of the Australian outback and the big distances between some cities is a limiting factor.
I suspect you could be right.

Which is why the model 3 was third best selling vehicle in January (by quite a margin) behind the Ranger and Hilux.

There was a very careful selection of the word 'car' in the previous post from our Musk fanboi, even though it's really a SUV

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

352445



...............boom!

[sugilite]

Musks mission to transform twitter into shitter continues at pace.
https://www.theverge.com/2023/2/24/23613288/twitter-slack-jira-outages-performance-degradation

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/27/tech/elon-musk-richest-man-again/index.html

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/27/tech/elon-musk-richest-man-again/index.html


https://youtu.be/D0EBBqbeqIM

[sugilite]

Sweet, he should have the funds to sort out the hot mess that is teslas autonomous driving mode :yes:
https://www.fierceelectronics.com/sensors/telsa-recalls-362000-vehicles-over-full-self-driving-beta-crash-risk

Oh, and pay catch up on paying some bills he has been missing lately.....
https://tech.co/news/elons-twitter-faces-nine-lawsuits

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Sweet, he should have the funds to sort out the hot mess that is teslas autonomous driving mode :yes:
https://www.fierceelectronics.com/sensors/telsa-recalls-362000-vehicles-over-full-self-driving-beta-crash-risk

Oh, and pay catch up on paying some bills he has been missing lately.....
https://tech.co/news/elons-twitter-faces-nine-lawsuits
A recall for Tesla is an update online like any other device that uses the net and WiFi

If you have ever started a business which I doubt you have, on average, business take 2 years to break even and become profitable, Twitter is a new business acquisition for Musk, I'd expect bills to be late like any new business.

[sugilite]

A recall for Tesla is an update online like any other device that uses the net and WiFi

If you have ever started a business which I doubt you have, on average,take 2 years to break even and become profitable, Twitter is a new business acquisition for Musk, I'd expect bills to be late like any new business.

I started my own business in 1997 that now operates in multiple countries.
Unlike you, I do not expect bills to be paid late - ever, especially the importance of the ones Musk has chosen not to pay.

[pritch]

I started my own business in 1997 that now operates in multiple countries.
Unlike you, I do not expect bills to be paid late - ever, especially the importance of the ones Musk has chosen not to pay.

Twitter is now jettisoning more staff even die hard Musk loyalists. Last one to leave please turn out the lights.

[neels]

If you have ever started a business which I doubt you have, on average, business take 2 years to break even and become profitable, Twitter is a new business acquisition for Musk, I'd expect bills to be late like any new business.
I doubt suppliers to an established business would expect payment of their accounts to suddenly stop just because it changes ownership, unless the new owner is an idiot, or has failed to understand the financial position of the business and it's ability to pay it's bills.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

I doubt suppliers to an established business would expect payment of their accounts to suddenly stop just because it changes ownership, unless the new owner is an idiot, or has failed to understand the financial position of the business and it's ability to pay it's bills.

Financial position?

The new owner is the wealthiest man on earth, your argument becomes mute.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Twitter is now jettisoning more staff even die hard Musk loyalists. Last one to leave please turn out the lights.
You said that last year when Musk took over, how that prediction work out?

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

I started my own business in 1997 that now operates in multiple countries.
Unlike you, I do not expect bills to be paid late - ever, especially the importance of the ones Musk has chosen not to pay.

Mmm, I retired in my late 30s, you still slaving away? Lol.

[pritch]

You said that last year when Musk took over, how that prediction work out?

It worked out 100%. There's a lot less staff than there were - and possibly a lot less account holders. Twitter has definitely gone downhill since the world's dumbest genius took over. What saved Musk was that there was not an oven ready alternative available, but that will likely change. Nature abhors a vacuum.

[TheDemonLord]

Twitter has definitely gone downhill since the world's dumbest genius took over.

How, exactly?

[neels]

Financial position?

The new owner is the wealthiest man on earth, your argument becomes mute.
Which means either;

The business he paid far too much for can't afford to pay it's bills, and the owner won't put the money into the business to pay them, which makes him an asshat.

or;

The business has sufficient money, but the new owner is choosing not to pay the bills, which makes him an asshat.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

It worked out 100%. There's a lot less staff than there were - and possibly a lot less account holders. Twitter has definitely gone downhill since the world's dumbest genius took over. What saved Musk was that there was not an oven ready alternative available, but that will likely change. Nature abhors a vacuum.

Your digging a deeper hole you already can't get out of

Let it slide while no one's paying attention.

[pete376403]

Financial position?

The new owner is the wealthiest man on earth, your argument becomes mute.

The word you're after is "moot". Also the worlds wealthiest person is Bernard Arnault, mainly because he only makes sensible investments.

[pritch]

Your digging a deeper hole you already can't get out of

Let it slide while no one's paying attention.

"You're".

Not at all, what I wrote is accurate. I visit Twitter most days although not as much as previously. It has changed, and not for the better.

[husaberg]

"You're".


Old Bozo could never figure out the difference neither could Axhole.

[mashman]

Also the worlds wealthiest person is Bernard Arnault, mainly because he only makes sensible investments.

Not as of a day or 2 ago. Musky is #1 again. Must be that space and car thing keeping him going.


Not at all, what I wrote is accurate. I visit Twitter most days although not as much as previously. It has changed, and not for the better.

The 'For You' is now poo, but I haven't seen that much of a change on Twitter in general. Few stickier topics, but pretty much the same peaks and troughs according to who pokes who. Who knows, maybe Dorsey will help get NOSTR to Twitter level.

[mashman]

Anyhoo, much bigger fish to fry. Master Plan 3: the path to a fully sustainable energy future for Earth. Only a day to go.

[pritch]

Old Bozo could never figure out the difference neither could Axhole.

In the US it's like the MAGAts secret sign. We shouldn't sneer though. Many Kiwis can't spell the interrogative 'eh' and it's only two letters.

[pete376403]

A recent Rich Rebuilds vid (and it is irrelevant here because its refers to self driving) mentions how Tesla charge $7000 to have the self drive function enabled by software without any physical change to the car. OK fair enough. However if that car is sold, the next owner doesn't get the self drive function, but Tesla can re-activate it (for another $7000) and so on, tesla can continue re-selling the same function as often as the car is re-sold, without any actual change to the car. This is the Microsoft model, where the buyer only purchases the right to use the product, but not ownership. https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2018490988334440

[sugilite]

Mmm, I retired in my late 30s, you still slaving away? Lol.

I made my interest my business, I have no intention of retiring ever. I find my "work" to darned interesting.

[sugilite]

"You're".

Not at all, what I wrote is accurate. I visit Twitter most days although not as much as previously. It has changed, and not for the better.

Don't be hard on him, he has early onset of alzheimer's as his life has no meaning since retiring early at 32.


Your digging a deeper hole you already can't get out of

Let it slide while no one's paying attention.
So you got nothing - noted.
For someone with so much free time on their hands, you sure come up short a lot - especially your predictions. It seems only perceived snipes towards your dad raise you from your slumber, well that and replying to your own posts.

[mashman]

Don't be hard on him, he has early onset of alzheimer's as his life has no meaning since retiring early at 32.

lol@no meaning. He has the time to do the same things as you when you aren't working. While you're working, and defining yourself (trolly or philosophically?), he/she, heh, is likely doing a shitload of other things that you want to during your lifetime... with him doing the same over the next 10 years instead, and then doing some more after that. :bleh:

You kids and your money games'll be the end of us all (shakes metaphorical cane in the air that's slightly heavier than the arm can handle with any control).

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

lol@no meaning. He has the time to do the same things as you when you aren't working. While you're working, and defining yourself (trolly or philosophically?), he/she, heh, is likely doing a shitload of other things that you want to during your lifetime... with him doing the same over the next 10 years instead, and then doing some more after that. :bleh:

You kids and your money games'll be the end of us all (shakes metaphorical cane in the air that's slightly heavier than the arm can handle with any control).

I usually travel 4 weeks a year, I'll be visiting Turkey later this year, I read a lot of books, invest in companies, I walk an hour a day and go to the gym 4 days a week, motorcycling takes about 1 to 2 hours a day,when you retire, you soon realise there still isn't enough hours in the day achieve your goals.

Life is to short being a tax slave..I don't pay tax, I live of the capital of my investments and the credit lines attached to them .

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Most of you don't realise your working for a system designed to use you then dump you in a retirement home to die.

Modern day slavery, you just don't realise it.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

I motorcycling takes about 1 to 2 hours a day,.

I don't like riding in the weekends, to many slave worker ants clogging the roads.

[mashman]

Most of you don't realise your working for a system designed to use you then dump you in a retirement home to die.

Modern day slavery, you just don't realise it.

Yeah, but don't tell them that, coz your income relies on their production ;).

Anyhoo, how did the Master Plan 3 turn out? What were the highlights?

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Anyhoo, how did the Master Plan 3 turn out? What were the highlights?

Waste of time, they could just have sent this out on an email or through social media, stock will likely sell off tomorrow

Tesla bot was the only highlight for me, more robot slaves to make me rich!

Meh, it is what it is.
https://youtu.be/2dS0aDMQoD4

[mashman]

Waste of time, they could just have sent this out on an email or through social media, stock will likely sell off tomorrow

Tesla bot was the only highlight for me, more robot slaves to make me rich!

Meh, it is what it is.

lol. Planet Made In Elon eh... but yeah, squillions of $ is pretty much guaranteed. If nothing else, RobotWars would be well worth watching again.

[husaberg]

I usually travel 4 weeks a year, I'll be visiting Turkey later this year, I read a lot of books, invest in companies, I walk an hour a day and go to the gym 4 days a week, motorcycling takes about 1 to 2 hours a day,when you retire, you soon realise there still isn't enough hours in the day achieve your goals.

Life is to short being a tax slave..I don't pay tax, I live of the capital of my investments and the credit lines attached to them .

Odd, as you have previously suggested you have gangs for neighbors and commute every day. claimed to have inside information on Tesla but didnt understand they use cameras or what their products were....
You also clearly don't understand tax on profits yet claim to be an investor of great knowledge who depending on when you post retired in your 40 or now its sees 30's.... i guess that the issues with making shit up....

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

You obviously don't know East Auckland very well, you have some of the wealthiest people in New Zealand living a few streets down from social housing blocks, I finished my working career in my late 30s and become fully financially free after re arranging my investment portfolio at 40

Now go home and rest up for work tomorrow, TGIF is what you worker ants say... every days a Saturday for me.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

I'm also flattered you remember all my historical posts, because the ladies say I'm not just tall, wealthy and good looking but definitely unforgettable!

[husaberg]

cool story bro

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

cool story bro

Thanks broke boy!

[husaberg]

So your telling me I get 2 paid days of work to ride my motor bicycle in celebration of killing a grown up baby Jesus?


work...... odd you keep saying you retired in either your 30's or 40's depending on the day you tell the story...



What's biker protocol for ignoring people at traffic lights?

I used to be happy when people say "cool bike bro'
"What type of bike is that!?"

I used to say something now I just find it annoying


Am I making the rest of bikers look bad or stuck up by ignoring people trapped in cars ?

Yours sincerely.. best looking snobby bike owner.



I been riding a whole 2 week's now/ Is there a better way of controlling your body Temperature/Riding for 30mins in a light Kevlar shirt with armour and when finished I'm dehydrated as hell,(yes I drink plenty of water) will I get used to the heat as I ride more? It's the only downside to something I can't wait to do everyday? Cheers!
so you are riding for less than a month yet are reminiscing about the old days.....

I live in a neighborhood with many big scary roaming dogs, They keep chasing me every time I leave,I'm a dog person so I don't like kicking them and there owners are most likely gang members, any ideas before one gets accidentally caught in my boot lace , chain or under my rear tyre?
roaming dogs odd you claim to live in an affluent neighborhood.
cool stories bro.....

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

You should invest your time and energy in making more money, not searching over my historical posts,

Whats it like being poorer than your parents?

I clocked up 13,000km in just over a year, a proud yet small achievement, I plan to sit my full license when I can be bothered , thanks for checking up on my progress broke boy!x

[husaberg]

You should invest your time and energy in making more money, not searching over my historical posts,

Whats it like being poorer than your parents?

I clocked up 13,000km in just over a year, a proud yet small achievement, I plan to sit my full license when I can be bothered , thanks for checking up on my progress broke boy!x

Cool story bro, I did really enjoy pointing out your posts that, like your investment stories, That simply just don't add up.......
What's funny is you are now not just limiting yourself to only making up stories about yourself, you now are trying to make up stories about me as well, epic.

but simply put ,you are on this site making up shit, only to troll for attention, yet get upset when you are called out for it.

[sugilite]

lol@no meaning. He has the time to do the same things as you when you aren't working. While you're working, and defining yourself (trolly or philosophically?), he/she, heh, is likely doing a shitload of other things that you want to during your lifetime... with him doing the same over the next 10 years instead, and then doing some more after that. :bleh:

You kids and your money games'll be the end of us all (shakes metaphorical cane in the air that's slightly heavier than the arm can handle with any control).

Currently in Aussie, in 5 weeks it will be Colombia, then another 3 weeks after that in the USA all the while doing what I love, then back to NZ for a decent South Island ride. I rarely need to set an alarm clock, though once I'm up i generally stay busy - life for me really aint that bad. ;)

[mashman]

Currently in Aussie, in 5 weeks it will be Colombia, then another 3 weeks after that in the USA all the while doing what I love, then back to NZ for a decent South Island ride. I rarely need to set an alarm clock, though once I'm up i generally stay busy - life for me really aint that bad. ;)

Pics of you, cocaine n hookers or it never happened.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

One point I picked up on Tesla Investor day, drive chain is typically 25% the cost of the vehicle, Tesla can cut this cost & bring the model 3 down to 25k usd.

Looks like the model 3 will be the much vaunted 25k Tesla and the next generation model 2 robo taxi likely to be leased and not necessarily owned by Joe public.

Other car manufacturers can't keep up with these prices, 70% of the market see a an ev or car as a tool to get from a to b, Tesla will likely have a monopoly over the car industry in the next 5years if they keep building Giga factories around the world, Tesla Mexico Giga looks like it will be 2 x the size of Texas Giga factory, CEO Tom Zhu of Tesla China who is a kiwi, wants Tesla Mexico to be up and running in half the time Tesla Shanghai was, so cars could start being delivered in 9 months from 1st day of construction in at the new Tesla Mexico plant .

Notice how I don't copy and paste someone else's research...because I do my own.

It's why I'm wealthy.


$$$$

[husaberg]

It's why I'm wealthy.


$$$$

Cool story bro, can you make up another one for us all?
Ps listening to a company talk up their own prospects about themselves isn't in anyway creditable research.
nor is parrot it back doing you any favours...

[pritch]

every days a Saturday for me.

Me too. :whistle:

[Laava]

But sunday is motorcycling day! Woohoo!

[pritch]

But sunday is motorcycling day! Woohoo!

Any day is motorcycling day. Weather permitting. There are enough fine days that I shouldn't need to ride in the rain any more. If I'm getting wet on the bike I stuffed up.