Lane splitting/filtering: the legal and commonsense answers

[Zedder]

My proposed KB charity boxing match is looking betterer and betterer. If calling someone a wanker is fighting words, calling them a cocksucker must be worthy of a severe beating.

I've had a cyclist clip my mirror while stationary in a major traffic jam. The only resulting damage to speak of was a few of his spokes.

Good on ya Deano.

It's a matter of pride in skillful bike riding not to hit mirrors, or any other things for that matter, while splitting/filtering I think.

[skippa1]

You acknowledged you'd hit it, and the driver waved you on... obligation fulfilled as far as I'm concerned.

thank you :not:

[skippa1]

Funny, I can think of no other reason why someone would buy a Victory. Unless of course they were a girl.

My cock is none of your business by the way. Try Akzle, I hear he likes midget sex.

ok youve got me....I am actually a midget girl....and when I am on my Victory I look tough :lol: I am in no way interested in your puss covered fuck stick though....I just wanted to poke at you and make fun of you :Pokey:

[zeocen]

you fellas dont wanna get so precious about clipping a wing mirror and you dont wanna be too self rightous about it either because we all know youre not perfect now dont we :rolleyes::corn:

So wait, now we're precious because we get upset that a motorcyclist that's terrible at riding damaged our property?

Hoo boy, us motorcyclists are pretty high on our self entitled pedestal, it seems.

[Deano]

So wait, now we're precious because we get upset that a motorcyclist that's terrible at riding damaged our property?

Hoo boy, us motorcyclists are pretty high on our self entitled pedestal, it seems.

Yeah boi - keep picking at that scab :corn:

[Madness]

So wait, now we're precious because we get upset that a motorcyclist that's terrible at riding damaged our property?

Hoo boy, us motorcyclists are pretty high on our self entitled pedestal, it seems.

Don't be so hard on her, she's just outed herself & is probably having a rough time dealing with the reality of it all.

[skippa1]

Don't be so hard on her, she's just outed herself & is probably having a rough time dealing with the reality of it all.

I am....I'm chastising the fuck out of myself right now:lol:

[skippa1]

So wait, now we're precious because we get upset that a motorcyclist that's terrible at riding damaged our property?

Hoo boy, us motorcyclists are pretty high on our self entitled pedestal, it seems.

I dont know.....Im a midget and cant see up there.....how is it?:eek:

[bosslady]

If you can't split without hitting the wing mirrors of cars you shouldn't be splitting in the first place. How would you like it if another splitting biker clipped your bike?

Not helpful. Because, I have never met a newbie who knew how to do everything and how to do everything very well straight off the bat. Otherwise we wouldn't call it learning, we'd call it... knowing. How is someone supposed to learn without making mistakes or know if they can do something if they don't ever try in the first place? Thanks for red rep.

[Maha]

Not helpful. Because, I have never met a newbie who knew how to do everything and how to do everything very well straight off the bat. Otherwise we wouldn't call it learning, we'd call it... knowing. How is someone supposed to learn without making mistakes or know if they can do something if they don't ever try in the first place? Thanks for red rep.

Its that time of the month for Madness, tomorrow he will bake you a cake...:niceone:

[bosslady]

KiwiBiker: A site for all New Zealand Motorcyclists, including grumpy cunts who never appear to have anything positive, helpful or constructive to say.

Fixed that for ya.

[Madness]

Not helpful. Because, I have never met a newbie who knew how to do everything and how to do everything very well straight off the bat. Otherwise we wouldn't call it learning, we'd call it... knowing. How is someone supposed to learn without making mistakes or know if they can do something if they don't ever try in the first place? Thanks for red rep.

If you clipped my wing mirror I wouldn't give a flying fuck wether you were a learner or Evil fucking Knevil. You were looking for opinions and I gave mine, where's the problem?

As for the red, give and ye shall receive. They're only pixels after all. :niceone:

[f2dz]

I thought this was a thread about lane splitting, not dick measuring..?

Fighting on the internet is the epitome of cool.

[Madness]

You forgot to mention the fat lesbians on GN250's.

[ducatilover]

:facepalm: Some people have forgotten humans make errors and shit does indeed happen.

I don't think Bosslady was condoning the clipping of mirrors

[skippa1]

Not helpful. Because, I have never met a newbie who knew how to do everything and how to do everything very well straight off the bat. Otherwise we wouldn't call it learning, we'd call it... knowing. How is someone supposed to learn without making mistakes or know if they can do something if they don't ever try in the first place? Thanks for red rep.

dont worry.....internet forums are reknowned for self righteous rants from pullocks

[bosslady]

You forgot to mention the fat lesbians on GN250's.

Now, now. No reason to get shitty because I eat more cake and get more pussy than you.

[Coldrider]

pullocksyou mean pillock

[ducatilover]

Now, now. No reason to get shitty because I eat more cake and get more pussy than you. ReoOoOoOwww HISSSS

Genuine question: do lesbians compare finger size?

[bosslady]

:facepalm: Some people have forgotten humans make errors and shit does indeed happen.

I don't think Bosslady was condoning the clipping of mirrors

Correct. I actually felt really terrible/guilty but there was nowhere to pull over and nothing I could do about it given how and where the traffic was at (despite the opinions some may have). Hence me just completely stop trying any more and getting off at the next off ramp. I usually always avoid peak hour traffic but couldn't in this instance as I was travelling into Central Auckland from Hamilton in the morning. I thought I'd give it a try, I failed. Now I won't try it again until I have someone more experienced to help me. Lesson learnt.

[skippa1]

you mean pillock

hahahahaaaaaa.....yeah them fuckers too:killingme

[bosslady]

Genuine question: do lesbians compare finger size?

Doesn't matter. I have skinny fingers, sometimes you just have to use two, or all of them?









Disclaimer: I'm actually not a lesbian. I like penis too much

[Madness]

Its that time of the month for Madness, tomorrow he will bake you a cake...:niceone:

I wish that was the case Mark. Sadly though this place has gone full retard and it's like it daily.


Fighting on the internet is the epitome of cool.

Second only to Victory ownership.


I don't think Bosslady was condoning the clipping of mirrors

I don't think she was either. I do think she has an interesting view on what is useful and what is not. Clearly if someone posts anything other than the likes of the countless twats on here all wishing they could sniff her Ginny's seat after a hot afternoons lane-splitting she automatically deems it not worthy.


dont worry.....internet forums are reknowned for self righteous rants from pullocks

And midget chicks with a tighter grasp on their own genitalia than the english language, so it seems.

[f2dz]

Correct. I actually felt really terrible/guilty but there was nowhere to pull over and nothing I could do about it given how and where the traffic was at (despite the opinions some may have). Hence me just completely stop trying any more and getting off at the next off ramp. I usually always avoid peak hour traffic but couldn't in this instance as I was travelling into Central Auckland from Hamilton in the morning. I thought I'd give it a try, I failed. Now I won't try it again until I have someone more experienced to help me. Lesson learnt.

It happens. You sound more than capable to split lanes. Sometimes it just takes a mirror clip to wake you up a bit. I wouldn't completely avoid it if I were you. You'll only get better at it by doing it more.

Last time I clipped a mirror was going up Victoria Street and it was on a nice Aston Martin too, but he intentionally blocked me, so meh.

[bosslady]

all wishing they could sniff her Ginny's seat after a hot afternoons lane-splitting

Hahahahahahahaha. It probably just smells like farts :lol:

[ducatilover]

Doesn't matter. I have skinny fingers, sometimes you just have to use two, or all of them?


Yeah me too, I have Asian hands.
I think I'm a little bit lesbian?

[Madness]

I think I'm a little bit lesbian?

Which bit?

[bosslady]

Yeah me too, I have Asian hands.
I think I'm a little bit lesbian?

I think you're A LOT Lesbian. Just saying. Nothing wrong with it.

[Maha]

Hahahahahahahaha. It probably just smells like farts :lol:

I've sat on it and didn't get wiff of anything.............................unusual :shifty:

[TheTengTheory]

I've sat on it and didn't get wiff of anything.............................unusual :shifty:

Well duh, I have the best smelling fart in the world RAWRR! None of my friends agree....:spanking:

[ducatilover]

Which bit?
My purt lips and my soft handbag

I think you're A LOT Lesbian. Just saying. Nothing wrong with it.

Phew, was worried a bit there

[flyingcrocodile46]

Do you? lane split? if so, have you ever clipped a car? and what did you do about it, nothing I guess? what can you really do if it's almost bumper to bumper on all lanes for quite a few ks? just asking...

I have wide bars and mirrors and have clipped wing mirrors in moving and stationary traffic maybe a dozen or two times with either my mirrors or clutch/brake lever tips and once with the bar end itself. Most have been entirely my own doing :o I have never stopped and only fleetingly thought about it (except when it has occurred just a couple of car lengths from the lights). I just adjust mirrors and check for angry cagers then head off. A couple of times I have been body clipped by cagers who aren't looking for lane splitters when they change lanes in slow traffic and once by a cager who was stopped in the lane next to me and decided he liked my lane better when we took off. My pipe left a nice scratch down the length of his passenger doors as I wound on hard and accelerated ahead of him.:lol:

Seriously though, it is far smarter to avoid skinny gaps.

[Zedder]

I have wide bars and mirrors and have clipped wing mirrors in moving and stationary traffic maybe a dozen or two times with either my mirrors or clutch/brake lever tips and once with the bar end itself. Most have been entirely my own doing :o I have never stopped and only fleetingly thought about it (except when it has occurred just a couple of car lengths from the lights). I just adjust mirrors and check for angry cagers then head off. A couple of times I have been body clipped by cagers who aren't looking for lane splitters when they change lanes in slow traffic and once by a cager who was stopped in the lane next to me and decided he liked my lane better when we took off. My pipe left a nice scratch down the length of his passenger doors as I wound on hard and accelerated ahead of him.:lol:

Seriously though, it is far smarter to avoid skinny gaps.

Builders...hittin' things since ages ago.

[Berries]

Had reason to stumble on this website today. A few points of view from the other side - Motorcycle menace. (http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=48&topicid=105767)

[St_Gabriel]

Not helpful. Because, I have never met a newbie who knew how to do everything and how to do everything very well straight off the bat. Otherwise we wouldn't call it learning, we'd call it... knowing. How is someone supposed to learn without making mistakes or know if they can do something if they don't ever try in the first place? Thanks for red rep.

Please, for the sake of the children, DO NOT ATTEMPT TO LEARN SKYDIVING

[bosslady]

Please, for the sake of the children, DO NOT ATTEMPT TO LEARN SKYDIVING

Hahaha very good

[skippa1]

[QUOTE]I wish that was the case Mark. Sadly though this place has gone full retard and it's like it daily.

No you dont youre full of shit. You a typical forum whore that thinks you own the opinion. Why dont you fuck off if you dont like it


Second only to Victory ownership.

what can I say........quality


I don't think she was either. I do think she has an interesting view on what is useful and what is not. Clearly if someone posts anything other than the likes of the countless twats on here all wishing they could sniff her Ginny's seat after a hot afternoons lane-splitting she automatically deems it not worthy.
seat sniffin sounds right up your alley



And midget chicks with a tighter grasp on their own genitalia than the english language, so it seems.

heres a word for you....cuntox.....pronounced cunt ox

[wysper]

Disclaimer: I'm actually not a lesbian. I like penis too much[/SIZE]

I would like to think you also like what was attached to the penis more :devil2:

[bosslady]

I would like to think you also like what was attached to the penis more :devil2:

the balls? no

the person? uhh yeah, of course, of course, can't have one without the other can you. At least not in a way that isn't gross/considered necrophilia.

[Madness]

Wah wah wah...

Dude, move on. Read the link that Berries put up a few posts back and you might see that some of us don't live in Fantasia like you do.

[mrchips]

:facepalm: Some people have forgotten humans make errors and shit does indeed happen.

Back on topic................

I made a boo boo filtering a long queue at lights this arvo & misjudged a gap.

There i sat pinned between two rows of cars, mirrors touching mirrors both sides.:Oops: Was about to pull my left mirror in so i could squeeze on through when the car to my left pulled left slightly to let me through.

I felt like a real twat... I gave him a wave as i went on my way... but i felt dirty.

Shit happens, we are only human.

Don't be disheartened bosslady we all gotta learn somehow.

[zeocen]

Except some of us learn to not fuck up in the first place instead of chalking it up to, "shit happens".

No excuse for clipping shit while riding, other than being a terrible rider.

[bosslady]

Except some of us learn to not fuck up in the first place instead of chalking it up to, "shit happens".

No excuse for clipping shit while riding, other than being a terrible rider.

Sigh... you're right... I'm going to go get my bike out of the garage, put it on the driveway and set it on fire now... all hope is lost.

[Subike]

Sigh... you're right... I'm going to go get my bike out of the garage, put it on the driveway and set it on fire now... all hope is lost.

I already know your Hawt, but to deliberate make your self hotter???? defys logic.
Now where is that boss lady hope we all know exists in this ginny rider from the north...:not:

[Grant`]

Except some of us learn to not fuck up in the first place instead of chalking it up to, "shit happens".

No excuse for clipping shit while riding, other than being a terrible rider.

So will this change when ya luck or skills fail and you do it? Or will you just decide your a shit rider ?

[Mom]

I literally always wait in queue. In this instance it was grid lock, morning traffic. Either stationary or slower than I can go, and I can now go slower than first gear, it was that bad. I would have been late for work 2 hours, easy. Ended up getting off because all the stopping and starting was so bloody stressful, couldn't do it for 1-2 hours

You need to practise your slow speed skills. Filtering is the only way to travel in crawling traffic. There will be enough room for you to pass between the cars I promise. You should be able to pootle along at 20kph without thinking about it. That takes less skills than 5 kph and stopped etc. Take the bull between the horns and try to filter through the cars if they are going slower than 30 kph. Watch your mirrors for bikers that you may be holding up though.

[Mom]

Back on topic................

I made a boo boo filtering a long queue at lights this arvo & misjudged a gap.



I made a boo boo overtaking a truck on the way home tonight. Trusted the cars in front to keep on going once they had passed the truck...

Nope, got hung out to dry alongside a logging truck, with oncoming traffic and my right hand wheels running on the yellows :pinch:

I am really going to have to talk to my boss about where he parks so I can ride my bike to work :yes:

[Madness]

Sigh... you're right... I'm going to go get my bike out of the garage, put it on the driveway and set it on fire now... all hope is lost.

Don't do eeet!




















































It'll leave a terrible mark on the driveway.

[Berries]

Here's a tip to make it easier. If you split towards the traffic rather than in the same direction you can see the driver better and get an indication of whether they are going to change lanes or do something else. And on the plus side they can't get your number or turn around and chase you so you can knock mirrors off left, right and well, left and right.

[bosslady]

You need to practise your slow speed skills. Filtering is the only way to travel in crawling traffic. There will be enough room for you to pass between the cars I promise. You should be able to pootle along at 20kph without thinking about it. That takes less skills than 5 kph and stopped etc. Take the bull between the horns and try to filter through the cars if they are going slower than 30 kph. Watch your mirrors for bikers that you may be holding up though.
But that's what I was trying to do in the first place :weep:

haha

Would have been lucky if they were going 10kmh for a lot of that. When they got up to 30/40 I got back in the lane though. I have definitely been practicing my slow riding "skills" some stuff I learnt at NASS, going slower than 1st gear, didn't even know such a thing existed! Still practicing, but getting much, much better.

[skippa1]

Except some of us learn to not fuck up in the first place instead of chalking it up to, "shit happens".

No excuse for clipping shit while riding, other than being a terrible rider.

what a load of shit..terrible rider? You are going to judge a riders whole skill set on one fuckup? Shit man.....you have set a standard that only those that have NEVER made a fuck up can claim success.
self righteous prick

[zeocen]

So will this change when ya luck or skills fail and you do it? Or will you just decide your a shit rider ?

I'd put it down to me being a shitty rider and that I'd need to learn my limits and learn to become a better rider for those situations.

[bosslady]

Here's a tip to make it easier. If you split towards the traffic rather than in the same direction you can see the driver better and get an indication of whether they are going to change lanes or do something else. And on the plus side they can't get your number or turn around and chase you so you can knock mirrors off left, right and well, left and right.

Bloody brilliant, I like this idea. Why didn't I think of it first?!

[Madness]

self righteous prick

There's no need to whisper.

[bosslady]

I'd put it down to me being a shitty rider and that I'd need to learn my limits and learn to become a better rider for those situations.

Now.. how the fuck can you learn your limits if you never test yourself on certain aspects of your riding to determine said limits? Genuine (not really) question, cause you're not really making a hunk 'o sense.

[zeocen]

what a load of shit..terrible rider? You are going to judge a riders whole skill set on one fuckup? Shit man.....you have set a standard that only those that have NEVER made a fuck up can claim success.
self righteous prick

The only people that would get upset about what I typed are the people who aren't confident they'd be fine in those situations. I guess you know you're not that great and allow yourself for the, "shit happens" moments.

People crash, indeed. However, the crashees don't need to chalk it up to a simple quote, resulting in gaining absolutely no insight from the upset and learning absolutely nothing at the end.

[zeocen]

Now.. how the fuck can you learn your limits if you never test yourself on certain aspects of your riding to determine said limits? Genuine (not really) question, cause you're not really making a hunk 'o sense.

There's a plethora of viable options to you for learning your limits on a motorcycle in a controlled environment, without resulting in collateral damage to innocent commuters. KB Mentors, track days, organised learner rides, advanced trainings...

If you're of the opinion that you need to hit a wing mirror to find your limit in order to back off, I think you need a slight adjustment in how you view motorcycling.

[bosslady]

Shut up, you filthy South Aucklander :lol:



















REWA HARD!!

[skippa1]

The only people that would get upset about what I typed are the people who aren't confident they'd be fine in those situations. I guess you know you're not that great and allow yourself for the, "shit happens" moments.

People crash, indeed. However, the crashees don't need to chalk it up to a simple quote, resulting in gaining absolutely no insight from the upset and learning absolutely nothing at the end.
gee you have a high opinion of yourself.
Selfworship =
The idolizing of one's self; immoderate self-conceit
sound familiar?

[skippa1]

There's a plethora of viable options to you for learning your limits on a motorcycle in a controlled environment, without resulting in collateral damage to innocent commuters. KB Mentors, track days, organised learner rides, advanced trainings...

If you're of the opinion that you need to hit a wing mirror to find your limit in order to back off, I think you need a slight adjustment in how you view motorcycling.

jesus you are a conceited cunt......who said anything about damage......why does it need to be damage? and who says you need to set your limits by hitting a wing mirror? But shit does happen...

[zeocen]

Yeah the super high standard I hold of not clipping fellow commuter's vehicle while lanesplitting sure is an unobtainable one... :rolleyes:

[bosslady]

There's a plethora of viable options to you for learning your limits on a motorcycle in a controlled environment, without resulting in collateral damage to innocent commuters. KB Mentors, track days, organised learner rides, advanced trainings...

If you're of the opinion that you need to hit a wing mirror to find your limit in order to back off, I think you need a slight adjustment in how you view motorcycling.

In which of the aforementioned "environments" you mentioned are there real life scenarios of lane splitting practiced? (therefore, not controlled, is it). For what it's worth I paid a great deal (to me) of money when I first started learning how to ride. I do have a mentor. I have been to a track day. I have been to organised learner rides and I am planning to go to a pro rider course next month. Really, I don't know what more I could do, I'm trying really hard and I've clocked up just over 4k in the 10.5 or so weeks I've been riding, not much to some but something I'm happy with. I'm not a natural, and I have a lot to learn but hey at least I'm not giving up and sitting in the corner having a cry cause I fucked up. I felt really bad, I have total respect for the property of other people and I wasn't happy. While a lot of what you're saying is very much valid, you're kind of being a tad unrealistic with some of your ideals and frankly, a little bit of a dick.

[skippa1]

Yeah the super high standard I hold of not clipping fellow commuter's vehicle while lanesplitting sure is an unobtainable one... :rolleyes:

so you dont make any cock ups?





talk about throwing stones in glass houses :blink:

[zeocen]

You felt bad, you've likely learnt to be more cautious in the width you're able to filter through, it's a lessoned learnt. If you're of the impression I was attacking you for hitting a mirror and feeling like shit, that's not the case. I was only talking about the people who chalk it up to, "shit happens" and refuse to learn from their shortfalls or ignore it altogether.

Clearly you've got insight into what you've done wrong and (hopefully) have gained caution because of it. I've no beef with you~

[bosslady]

so you dont make any cock ups?

I think his Mum and Dad did enough of that.

[skippa1]

You felt bad, you've likely learnt to be more cautious in the width you're able to filter through, it's a lessoned learnt. If you're of the impression I was attacking you for hitting a mirror and feeling like shit, that's not the case. I was only talking about the people who chalk it up to, "shit happens" and refuse to learn from their shortfalls or ignore it altogether.

Clearly you've got insight into what you've done wrong and (hopefully) have gained caution because of it. I've no beef with you~

read the whole thread before you comment

[zeocen]

so you dont make any cock ups?





talk about throwing stones in glass houses :blink:

You're glossing over the conversations and cherry-picking arguments, so I'll quote myself and bow out. You've obviously got some anger you need to vent through your fingertips, so I'll let someone else handle that. <3


People crash, indeed. However, the crashees don't need to chalk it up to a simple quote, resulting in gaining absolutely no insight from the upset and learning absolutely nothing at the end.

[bosslady]

You felt bad, you've likely learnt to be more cautious in the width you're able to filter through, it's a lessoned learnt. If you're of the impression I was attacking you for hitting a mirror and feeling like shit, that's not the case. I was only talking about the people who chalk it up to, "shit happens" and refuse to learn from their shortfalls or ignore it altogether.

Clearly you've got insight into what you've done wrong and (hopefully) have gained caution because of it. I've no beef with you~

:)

Shit DOES happen and by shit, I mean mistakes. I don't like to even accidentally walk in to someone on the street let alone hit someones car - who would? It's how you choose to reflect on and learn from said "shit" that's important. I just felt terrible I couldn't do anything, not even stop and apologise. I was going so slow and didn't hit them so hard that really, I doubt I did any damage, but of course, I'm not sure.

[Madness]

jesus you are a conceited cunt......who said anything about damage......why does it need to be damage? and who says you need to set your limits by hitting a wing mirror? But shit does happen...

I thought imdying covered the damage thing rather well actually. Are you alright? Maybe you could do with some air? :killingme


Who said anything about damage? Ahhh, that would be common sense... you can't hit two painted pieces of plastic together and expect no damage... a small tiny piece of paint it might be, BUT IT'S NOT YOUR FUCKING TINY PIECE OF PAINT TO DAMAGE. Besides, if you don't stop, how would you know if you'd done damage or not. Sure a little scratch repair might be a bit precious, but that's their property and thus their right to get precious about.


...you're kind of being a tad realistic with some of your ideals.

That was a good'un.

You're over-reacting a wee bit though, eh? You were unprepared for the situation you encountered and had an unpleasant experience splitting in heavy Auckland traffic for the first time. I'm sure you'll learn, practice and improve. Perhaps you should read post #23 again and be really careful next time? :niceone:

[skippa1]

You felt bad, you've likely learnt to be more cautious in the width you're able to filter through, it's a lessoned learnt. If you're of the impression I was attacking you for hitting a mirror and feeling like shit, that's not the case. I was only talking about the people who chalk it up to, "shit happens" and refuse to learn from their shortfalls or ignore it altogether.

Clearly you've got insight into what you've done wrong and (hopefully) have gained caution because of it. I've no beef with you~


You're glossing over the conversations and cherry-picking arguments, so I'll quote myself and bow out. You've obviously got some anger you need to vent through your fingertips, so I'll let someone else handle that. <3

ahhh cherry picking? you state that......" I was only talking about the people who chalk it up to, "shit happens" and refuse to learn from their shortfalls or ignore it altogether." I believe that "shit happens" was my comment in this thread. I believe that I also stated that I stopped, looked at the mirror and waved ok with the driver. That is not, "refusing to learn from my shortfalls or ignoring it all together"

so who do you have a beef with?

[skippa1]

I'm sure you'll learn, prctice and improve. Perhaps you should read post #23 again and be really careful next time? :niceone:

dude, watch the spelling aye

[bosslady]

You're over-reacting a wee bit though, eh? You were unprepared for the situation you encountered and had an unpleasant experience sliptting in heavy Auckland traffic for the first time. I'm sure you'll learn, prctice and improve. Perhaps you should read post #23 again and be really careful next time? :niceone:

No. No I'm not. You did by playing tit for tat though. You know, if you actually felt you had something worth saying and you actually wanted to help, you would word your posts much differently. People, including myself, would be far more receptive to what you have to say if you didn't come across as a bit of a dick. Just saying. Also, I don't need to read your post again, pretty sure we covered that off with some red rep :lol:

[Subike]

Cool, pulls out another bag of popcorn..
Carry on boys!!

[bosslady]

Now.. time for bed, I have to play the tooth fairy later.

And I need to get some rest too - planning on practicing wheelies on my ginny tomorrow. Wish me luck.



Peace out!

[Madness]

No. No I'm not. You did by playing tit for tat though. You know, if you actually felt you had something worth saying and you actually wanted to help, you would word your posts much differently. People, including myself, would be far more receptive to what you have to say if you didn't come across as a bit of a dick. Just saying. Also, I don't need to read your post again, pretty sure we covered that off with some red rep :lol:

Whatever made you think I wanted to help you?

[skippa1]

I thought imdying covered the damage thing rather well actually. Are you alright? Maybe you could do with some air?

youre a crackup man.....you should be on 7 days or something?

[bosslady]

so who do you have a beef with?

Leprechauns. Them damn Leprechauns!

[bosslady]

Whatever made you think I wanted to help you?

Nothing, not at all. You clearly just wanted to be a cock and have a go at winding up folks on the internet. What a assett to society. Thank your parents for me. Goodnight, I'm going to go dream of all the wing mirrors I'm going to knock off cars.

[Madness]

youre a crackup man.....you should be on 7 days or something?

On the contrary, IRL I'm just a grumpy cunt who never appears to have anything positive, helpful or constructive to say. I think of this as a sport these days though, thanks for playing.

[skippa1]

Whatever made you think I wanted to help you?

and therein lies the real problem.............you want to be the man.....the trouble is youre not and you are using the interweb to assert some sort of dominance on people by belittleing them. lowest form of scum man.

[Madness]

Nothing, not at all. You clearly just wanted to be a cock and have a go at winding up folks on the internet. What a assett to society. Thank your parents for me. Goodnight, I'm going to go dream of all the wing mirrors I'm going to knock off cars.

For fucks sake woman, stop talking about going to bed. FJ, Skippa, et al will be jizzing all over their keyboards, again.

By the way, the South Auckland comment was a bit low, but I s'pose being a snob from te Shore will do that to ya, huh?

[mrchips]

This thread is all class !

Hey Zeocen, hows about a vlog with your ZX14 ?

I really enjoyed watching your vlogs.

[skippa1]

For fucks sake woman, stop talking about going to bed. FJ, Skippa, et al will be jizzing all over their keyboards, again.

By the way, the South Auckland comment was a bit low, but I s'pose being a snob from te Shore will do that to ya, huh?

troll.....:blink:nothing but a worthless troll....:blink:

[Madness]

and therein lies the real problem.............you want to be the man.....

Hey, you're the one that bought a Victory in this thread.


the trouble is youre not and you are using the interweb to assert some sort of dominance on people by belittleing them. lowest form of scum man.

Before you accuse people of belittling others perhaps you should take a look at some of your own posts in this thread sweetheart. Then maybe get some of that fresh air eh? All this excitement must be pretty hard on a girl such as yourself.

[skippa1]

Before you accuse people of belittling others perhaps you should take a look at some of your own posts in this thread sweetheart. Then maybe get some of that fresh air eh? All this excitement must be pretty hard on a girl like yourself.

ppffffttt same shit, different wrapping. You are just a big noter troll with nothing worthwhile to contribute except bile and crap. Tell me,

what positive contribution have you made so far?

[skippa1]

Hey, you're the one that bought a Victory in this thread.



Before you accuse people of belittling others perhaps you should take a look at some of your own posts in this thread sweetheart. Then maybe get some of that fresh air eh? All this excitement must be pretty hard on a girl such as yourself.

case in point....worthless shit. Best you can do is change peoples user names and posts....that all you got?:killingme

[Madness]

Wah wah wah...

what positive contribution have you made so far?

Actually, I though this post, number twenty-three, was pretty solid to be honest.


If you can't split without hitting the wing mirrors of cars you shouldn't be splitting in the first place. How would you like it if another splitting biker clipped your bike?

Whereas I though this post was actually rather weak and displayed a pretty irresponsible attitude to the topic at hand.


meh........nah not really but I guess I could if I had a bad day.Its not like you do damage ( only just moving), might knock the mirror out of the focus area for the driver....

Maybe a glass of warm milk would do you some good?

[Madness]

case in point....worthless shit. Best you can do is change peoples user names and posts....that all you got?:killingme

You'll get there one day Princess.

[skippa1]

You'll get there one day Princess.

more worthless shit.....you have no substance bro....empty.....fuck all.....weak. Just a pussy

[Tigadee]

Oh, and very last thing, don't be one of those people who splits at 10km/h with a bunch of bikes behind you. Check your mirrors every so often, if the bike behind you wants to go faster, let them pass.

I've not had the privilege of having some bikes or bikes following behind me while filtering. How do you know they want to go faster? How do they let you know?


Correct. I actually felt really terrible/guilty but there was nowhere to pull over and nothing I could do about it given how and where the traffic was at (despite the opinions some may have).

That's alright, just lift your bum off the seat and shake it about, that'll make the driver's day and forget all about the mirror....

[Madness]

more worthless shit.....you have no substance bro....empty.....fuck all.....weak. Just a pussy

http://www.mbpopart.com/assets/paintings%20by%20year/2010/I-Know-Right%20copy.jpg

Bosslady's gone to bed, you can relax a little bit now bro.

[skippa1]

Bosslady's gone to bed now, you can relax a little bit now bro.

poofter

10 chars

[Madness]

poofter

10 chars

And I'm lacking substance?

:facepalm:

[skippa1]

And I'm lacking substance?

:facepalm:

Question: What Is an Internet 'Troll'?

Answer: An internet 'troll' is an abusive or obnoxious user who uses shock value to promote arguments and disharmony in online communities. an internet troll is someone who stirs up drama and abuses their online anonymity by purposely sowing hatred, bigotry, racism, mysogyny, or just simple bickering between others. Trolls like a big audience, so they frequent blog sites, news sites, discussion forums, and game chat. Trolls thrive in any environment where they are allowed to make public comments.


you are a worthless troll. Make you feel good? This is your whole life haha....worthless cunt

[Madness]

Question: What Is an Internet 'Troll'?

Answer: An internet 'troll' is an abusive or obnoxious user who uses shock value to promote arguments and disharmony in online communities. an internet troll is someone who stirs up drama and abuses their online anonymity by purposely sowing hatred, bigotry, racism, mysogyny, or just simple bickering between others. Trolls like a big audience, so they frequent blog sites, news sites, discussion forums, and game chat. Trolls thrive in any environment where they are allowed to make public comments.


you are a worthless troll. Make you feel good? This is your whole life haha....worthless cunt

Wow, You've just described yourself perfectly.

In case you'd forgotten, which appears to be highly likely, this is a discussion about lane splitting. Try to keep it on topic eh?

By the way, are you on any prescription meds?

[skippa1]

[QUOTE]Wow, You've just described yourself perfectly.

ow...that fuckin hurt

In case you'd forgotten, which appears to be highly likely, this is a discussion about lane splitting. Try to keep it on topic eh?
pot.....meet kettle

By the way, are you on any prescription meds?
you got some you want to share?.........I am guessing you are into a good line of nutmeg or datura:lol:

[Madness]

you got some you want to share?.........I am guessing you are into a good line of nutmeg or datura:lol:

You should never share prescription drugs. That's about as irresponsible as splitting without due care and full control of ones motorcycle.

[skippa1]

You should never share prescription drugs. That's about as irresponsible as splitting without due care and full control of ones motorcycle.

can you get datura on prescription?

[Madness]

can you get datura on prescription?

Don't ask me bro, you're the delusional one here.

[skippa1]

Don't ask me bro, you're the delusional one here.

im not your bro

I have NOTHING in common with you

[Madness]

im not your bro

Sorry Sis, my bad.


I have NOTHING in common with you

Yeah, true that. I can control my motorcycle.

[skippa1]

Sorry Sis, my bad.

youre getting a bit predictable now :zzzz:if you are going to troll you need to have more of an edge to your posts

[Madness]

youre getting a bit predictable now :zzzz:if you are going to troll you need to have more of an edge to your posts

Nah, I think it's just past your nap time. You'll need a proper nights sleep if you're going to have any chance of controlling that crusier of yours tomorrow.

[skippa1]

Nah, I think it's just past your nap time. You'll need a proper nights sleep if you're going to have any chance of controlling that crusier of yours tomorrow.

yeah cause you ae the man with your "kwikasfuki"....homo:killingme

[Madness]

yeah cause you ae the man with your "kwikasfuki"....homo:killingme

It's a black quiet one too. Innit ironic?

[flyingcrocodile46]

If you can't split without hitting the wing mirrors of cars you shouldn't be splitting in the first place. How would you like it if another splitting biker clipped your bike?

Fuck off, that's the best part. Hell I have even busted one on purpose with my hand (no that really was dangerous) But he was a homo like you and had been boasting to me a week or two earlier about how he likes cutting bikers off and thought all lane splitters should be run over:mad:. I had told him at the time, that if I saw him misbehave on the road I would dent his roof. However, the mirror seemed a safer option at the time (though absolutely wasn't a clever idea). Yes! He misbehaved when he squeezed up enough (he thought) to stop me from splitting past him and the car next to him swerved over to avoid being hit. :rolleyes:

Any how... Fuck you.


Yeah the super high standard I hold of not clipping fellow commuter's vehicle while lanesplitting sure is an unobtainable one... :rolleyes:

That isn't my overriding objective and it is more than a tad arrogant of you to presume that it is standard that you can inflict on and measure others by.


If you're of the opinion that you need to hit a wing mirror to find your limit in order to back off, I think you need a slight adjustment in how you view motorcycling.

Hang on. That is part of what I enjoy about riding (ya know.. not being a pussy). Anyhow, I think that you have an overinflated opinion of your opinions. So fuck you too.

[skippa1]

Fuck off, that's the best part. Hell I have even busted one on purpose with my hand (no that really was dangerous) But he was a homo like you and had been boasting to me a week or two earlier about how he likes cutting bikers off and thought all lane splitters should be run over:mad:. I had told him at the time, that if I saw him misbehave on the road I would dent his roof. However, the mirror seemed a safer option at the time (though absolutely wasn't a clever idea). Yes! He misbehaved when he squeezed up enough (he thought) to stop me from splitting past him and the car next to him swerved over to avoid being hit. :rolleyes:

Any how... Fuck you.



That isn't my overriding objective and it is more than a tad arrogant of you to presume that it is standard that you can inflict on and measure others by.



Well I think that you have an overinflated opinion of your opinions. So fuck you too.

aint that the truth..........:clap:

[Madness]

Fuck off, that's the best part. Hell I have even busted one on purpose with my hand (no that really was dangerous) But he was a homo like you and had been boasting to me a week or two earlier about how he likes cutting bikers off and thought all lane splitters should be run over:mad:. I had told him at the time, that if I saw him misbehave on the road I would dent his roof. However, the mirror seemed a safer option at the time (though absolutely wasn't a clever idea). Yes! He misbehaved when he squeezed up enough (he thought) to stop me from splitting past him and the car next to him swerved over to avoid being hit. :rolleyes:

Any how... Fuck you.



That isn't my overriding objective and it is more than a tad arrogant of you to presume that it is standard that you can inflict on and measure others by.



Hang on. That is part of what I enjoy about riding (ya know.. not being a pussy). Anyhow, I think that you have an overinflated opinion of your opinions. So fuck you too.

Maybe you should have a warm glass of milk too?

[yeahnahbe]

mother fucking trucks taking up a whole lane.

[Wingnut]

After reading many pages of this somewhat entertaining "conversation" I cant help but see some slight irony with your signature Skippa1 ...

Anyway.... Whats this splitting lane stuff you talk of... You should relocate south.... Traffic... What is this traffic you talk of.

But you should have all had you Weebix by now so time you got back to the shit slinging....:mad:

[pzkpfw]

This thread is still going? Have we even talked yet about the proper wave while splitting?

[Voltaire]

any tips on how to take out mirrors as I find even on a BMW with panniers I can't manage it..:not:.. and for some reason cars just seem to get out of the way....maybe its the crashbars on the jugs ( cylinders not milk)

[flyingcrocodile46]

any tips on how to take out mirrors as I find even on a BMW with panniers I can't manage it..:not:.. and for some reason cars just seem to get out of the way....maybe its the crashbars on the jugs ( cylinders not milk)

Try lane splitting between the lanes of cars that are next to each other. Riding in the middle of 3 lanes doesn't count :msn-wink:

[Katman]

Its not like you do damage ( only just moving), might knock the mirror out of the focus area for the driver....

Seriously man, you do far more damage than you imagine.

[PrincessBandit]

I'm too busy to read the whole thread atm, so here's my opinion (sorry if it's only restating what others have already said):

I filter and lane split but only if I'm absolutely confident I can do it without causing damage to anyone else. If in any doubt I will sit in the lane and wait like others. Yeah sure there will be riders out there who will say "what the hell are you doing on a bike if you ain't prepared to take advantage of the benefits it offers, such as threading your way through slowpoke traffic". My response is "so what". My decision to sit in a lane, like a car, ain't got anything to do with anyone else's opinion. It's also twists my titties when other riders come up behind me while I'm splitting and effectively force me back into a lane 'cos I'm not going fast enough for them. Diddums.

At the end of the day, whether you split or not, is up to you. Your decision to go ahead and do it also means the responsibility of any damage you might inflict is also on your shoulders.

Be your own rider. Split or filter when you feel ready to do so rather than feeling pressured to do it "cause your a biker and should be able to do it".

[swbarnett]

Seriously man, you can do far more damage than you imagine.
Fixed that for ya.

Worst I've ever done to another vehicle while lane splitting was to clip a mirror. Their mirror didn't even move; just pushed mine out of allignment.

The worst I've done to myself while lane splitting was to put gouge into my pannier with the underside of a truck bed. Mind you, I was under foot power at the time changing from lane 1a to 2a at the lights. Oh, and I've been bitten as I mentioned earlier.

[swbarnett]

It's also twists my titties when other riders come up behind me while I'm splitting and effectively force me back into a lane 'cos I'm not going fast enough for them. Diddums.
I hear ya. I sometimes come up behind a slower splitter. I'm happy to sit behind and wait until they spot me. There comes a point, however, when it's discourtious if they don't pull over and let me through. It also means they're not keeping an eye on what's going on behind them. Rather than getting upset about it though I'll just accept it; no matter what, the vehicle I'm wanting to pass always has the right of way; be that car, truck, bus or motorcycle.

[Katman]

No. I still think you're a pervert.


I'm going to call him Dpex II.

[Katman]

Fixed that for ya.
Worst I've ever done to another vehicle while lane splitting was to clip a mirror. Their mirror didn't even move; just pushed mine out of allignment.


I'm not talking about damage to a mirror.

[Coldrider]

This thread is still going? Have we even talked yet about the proper wave while splitting?when you change down gears to lane split do you blip your throttle?

[pzkpfw]

when you change down gears to lane split do you blip your throttle?

Only when the gyroscopic forces of my front wheel are not keeping me upright.

[zeocen]

Fixed that for ya.

It only takes one fuckwit to disregard his responsibilities while filtering, clip a wing mirror even slightly, to make the car driver hate motorcyclists for life. It's irrational but unfortunately that's what can, and sadly does happen. And the next person who filters through, even obeying the rules to a tee may receive the wrath of the now jaded car driver.

We're not exactly shone in a bright light to begin with, it doesn't take much of an excuse for certain types of people to vent on innocent blokes and blokettes, especially when they're much bigger and stronger than us. :/

[Subike]

Fuck you dorklanders are fickle cunts.
Filtering is fun
yup I have clipped the odd mirror over the years, and I bet a few cage drivers might be pissed for about 5 min....
But to build it up to such a crescendo of hateful bitterness, innuendo, mouth flapping, ball dragging, ego shouting, with in our own ranks!!
Fwark guys, go for a ride tomorrow and blow this bullshit our your asses....
Its life, get on with it!

[bosslady]

For fucks sake woman, stop talking about going to bed. FJ, Skippa, et al will be jizzing all over their keyboards, again.

By the way, the South Auckland comment was a bit low, but I s'pose being a snob from te Shore will do that to ya, huh?

I am sure you're not serious but FWIW (and I'm sure this will come as no surprise to some) I grew up in and have spent most of my life in South Auckland. Hence... rewa hard :lol:

[Madness]

Pulls up a chair, gets out the pop corns, settles back to watch the fun.


Cool, pulls out another bag of popcorn..
Carry on boys!!


But to build it up to such a crescendo of hateful bitterness, innuendo, mouth flapping, ball dragging, ego shouting, with in our own ranks!!

Wassamatter? Run out of "pop corns"?


yup I have clipped the odd mirror over the years, and I bet a few cage drivers might be pissed for about 5 min....

And I bet a few cagers might have been pissed for longer than about 5 min. What's your point?


I am sure you're not serious but FWIW (and I'm sure this will come as no surprise to some) I grew up in and have spent most of my life in South Auckland. Hence... rewa hard :lol:


Shut up, you filthy South Aucklander :lol:

My bad. You obviously know zeocen personally, hence the above post. It all makes sense now.

[Berries]

It's also twists my titties when other riders come up behind me while I'm splitting and effectively force me back into a lane 'cos I'm not going fast enough for them. Diddums.
Hmm, Sounds like the same response you'd get from a 90 year old driver who never goes above 80km/h, unless in a passing lane.


yup I have clipped the odd mirror over the years, and I bet a few cage drivers might be pissed for about 5 min....
Nothing personal, but if it was my mirror you broke I would be looking out for you on every commute from then on. The odds would be slim, but a few people who look similar in the mirror as they split towards me might find the gap closing very quickly. Light on, dark jacket, dark helmet? Check, check, check. Oh dear. I'm sorry officer, I wasn't expecting someone to be doing that. Broken pelvis you say? Oh dear. Yes, it sounded like a punctured lung when I wound the window down to get him to move his pillion from under my wheels.

I would have thought rule number one when it comes to lane splitting is don't hit the vehicles you are splitting between? And rules number two and three. Apart from the obvious fail and fact that you have just been shown to misjudge the width of your bike, which is as basic as it comes, don't you think of the poor bastard a couple of minutes behind you who follows rules number one two and three and for an unknown reason gets slammed as he passes? If not, perhaps it is worth thinking of the tool who is a couple of minutes ahead of you who has just taken out a couple of wing mirrors and what the reaction might be when you get there.

Especially if it is me. I'd be pissed driving a car anyway. I would be doubly pissed at people riding bikes when I am stuck in a car. I would be fucking fuming if some fucking retread then took out the wing mirror.

/rant

[Subike]

Hmm, Sounds like the same response you'd get from a 90 year old driver who never goes above 80km/h, unless in a passing lane.


Nothing personal, but if it was my mirror you broke

/rant

Where did I say broke a mirror
I have removed a mirror from one car as it pushed me into a van, but clipping a mirror as slow speed does nothing other than bend mine out of the way. I have vet to accidentally break a mirror. Read the post ..clipping verses breaking....

[Berries]

Like I said, nothing personal. Was aimed at some of the posters who seem to think it is ok to damage someone else's 'ride'.

Anyway, getting this thread back on topic, are Madness and Skippa1 going to get it on sometime soon?

[Madness]

Anyway, getting this thread back on topic, are Madness and Skippa1 going to get it on sometime soon?

Actually I'm starting to worry he may have had some kind of medical crisis. If only he'd had the warm milk and calmed the fuck down.

Come back Skippy, this thread's not the same without you.

[Maha]

I am sure you're not serious but FWIW (and I'm sure this will come as no surprise to some) I grew up in and have spent most of my life in South Auckland. Hence... rewa hard :lol:

So you're not a ''Sure Girl''.....:lol:

[swbarnett]

It only takes one fuckwit to disregard his responsibilities while filtering, clip a wing mirror even slightly, to make the car driver hate motorcyclists for life.
Only someone who is already predisposed to hate bikers would see this as anything other than an honest mistake with no damage done. These people cannot be helped and will hate us no matter how perfectly we ride.


We're not exactly shone in a bright light to begin with, it doesn't take much of an excuse for certain types of people to vent on innocent blokes and blokettes, especially when they're much bigger and stronger than us. :/
There are people in this world that hate (insert preferred racial stereotype here). Are you suggesting that people of that people of that race need to step lightly so as not to offend said haters?

[Madness]

Only someone who is already predisposed to hate bikers would see this as anything other than an honest mistake with no damage done.

You mean like someone who's previoulsy had their wing mirror clipped by a poorly splitting motorcyclist?

:facepalm:

[mrchips]

Anyway, getting this thread back on topic, are Madness and Skippa1 going to get it on sometime soon?

Yeah, all this foreplay.... Life is too short seize the moment. :2thumbsup

[Katman]

Fuck you dorklanders are fickle cunts.
Filtering is fun
yup I have clipped the odd mirror over the years, and I bet a few cage drivers might be pissed for about 5 min....
But to build it up to such a crescendo of hateful bitterness, innuendo, mouth flapping, ball dragging, ego shouting, with in our own ranks!!
Fwark guys, go for a ride tomorrow and blow this bullshit our your asses....
Its life, get on with it!

And I suppose you have no problem with people who can't push a supermarket trolley through a carpark without playing Pinball with the parked cars?

To clip a wing mirror while filtering shows a distinct lack of skill.

But to then defend the action as something of no consequence is morally repugnant.

[skippa1]

Fuck you dorklanders are fickle cunts.
Filtering is fun
yup I have clipped the odd mirror over the years, and I bet a few cage drivers might be pissed for about 5 min....
But to build it up to such a crescendo of hateful bitterness, innuendo, mouth flapping, ball dragging, ego shouting, with in our own ranks!!
Fwark guys, go for a ride tomorrow and blow this bullshit our your asses....
Its life, get on with it!
ahhha:yes:........Madness eats hateful bitterness for breakfast

Where did I say broke a mirror
I have removed a mirror from one car as it pushed me into a van, but clipping a mirror as slow speed does nothing other than bend mine out of the way. I have vet to accidentally break a mirror. Read the post ..clipping verses breaking....
:yes:

Actually I'm starting to worry he may have had some kind of medical crisis. If only he'd had the warm milk and calmed the fuck down.

Come back Skippy, this thread's not the same without you.
Your tender comments are quite touching in a kiddy fiddler kind of way

You mean like someone who's previoulsy had their wing mirror clipped by a poorly splitting motorcyclist?

:facepalm:

do you mean a motorcyclist that has a runny nose and a cough?

[Madness]

Your tender comments are quite touching in a kiddy fiddler kind of way

Welcome back Skippy. I never picked you for a kiddy fiddler. Go figure!

[skippa1]

Welcome back Skippy. I am a kiddy fiddler. Go figure!

fixed that for ya

[Madness]

fixed that for ya

Congratulations! You've figured out how to manipulate a quote. That wans't hard was it? Now see if you can master the art of lane splitting without clipping wing mirrors belonging to innocent motorists.

By the way, I never eat breakfast. Maybe you should have a feed though, seems your blood sugars might be a tad low again today.

[skippa1]

Congratulations! You've figured out how to manipulate a quote. That wans't hard was it? Now see if you can master the art of lane splitting without clipping wing mirrors belonging to innocent motorists.

By the way, I never eat breakfast. Maybe you should have a feed though, seems your blood sugars might be a tad low again today.

I guess the big thing is that I have to care first before I woud worry about touching someones wing mirror......trouble is I dont.

[Madness]

I guess the big thing is that I have to care first before I woud worry about touching someones wing mirror......trouble is I dont.

So you're an ignorant kiddy fiddler who lacks the neccessary skill to control your motorcycle then. I'm so glad we got that established.

[Katman]

I guess the big thing is that I have to care first before I woud worry about touching someones wing mirror......trouble is I dont.

No wonder motorcycling is seen in such a poor light by so many.

[skippa1]

So you're an ignorant kiddy fiddler who lacks the neccessary skill to control your motorcycle then. I'm so glad we got that established.


No wonder motorcycling is seen in such a poor light by so many.

fishing is wierd aye....sometimes you catch nothing, other times you get two with one bait

[Madness]

do you mean a motorcyclist that has a runny nose and a cough?

No, actually I was thinking of a motorist who may have had the pleasure experience of you splitting past them on your Victory, clippity-clip-clip. I wasn't going to mention you personally though, I know how sensitive you can be when it comes to your image.


fishing is wierd aye....sometimes you catch nothing, other times you get two with one bait

That's funny. One of the many messages I've recieved as a result of this thread stated that you seem to bite like a Kingfish. The message went on from there but I'll let the readers figure that out for themselves.

[skippa1]

If the OP is consistent you're about to get some red. Apparently I wasn't being helpful :facepalm:

KiwiBiker: A site for all New Zealand Motorcyclists, including the retarded ones.

apparantly when you feel a little offended you give out reds too.....cant take the heat there fella? Getting a little sensitive and have to take it anonymous.....haha fag

[skippa1]

If the OP is consistent you're about to get some red. Apparently I wasn't being helpful :facepalm:

KiwiBiker: A site for all New Zealand Motorcyclists, including the retarded ones.

im off to ride the bike....I have more than one variety too so looking out for me on the Black one might not save your mirror.....bwahahahahahaha:lol:

[Madness]

apparantly when you feel a little offended you give out reds too.....cant take the heat there fella? Getting a little sensitive and have to take it anonymous.....haha fag

Prior to you bringing pedophilia into a discussion about lane splitting I had already disagreed with every single post you made in this thread. I think that not giving you a red earlier was pretty good self-control on my part actually but that's another subject you seem to know very little about.


im off to ride the bike....I have more than one variety too so looking out for me on the Black one might not save your mirror.....bwahahahahahaha:lol:

I don't think we need to know the colour of your bike to see you coming actually but thanks for the warning. Ride safe :niceone:

[skippa1]

Prior to you bringing pedophilia into a discussion about lane splitting I had already disagreed with every single post you made in this thread. I thought that by not giving you a red earlier was pretty good self-control on my part actually but that's another subject you seem to know very little about.



I don't think we need to know the colour of your bike to see you coming actually but thanks for the warning. Ride safe :niceone:

wah wah rant rave....

I will. Wont be back for a couple of weeks....see you then:msn-wink:

[Katman]

fishing is wierd aye....sometimes you catch nothing, other times you get two with one bait

Claiming that you were 'just fishing' when you suddenly realise that you've made yourself sound like a fuckwit doesn't make you sound any less like a fuckwit.

[nakedsv]

And I suppose you have no problem with people who can't push a supermarket trolley through a carpark without playing Pinball with the parked cars?

To clip a wing mirror while filtering shows a distinct lack of skill.

But to then defend the action as something of no consequence is morally repugnant.

+1 Well put.

[pritch]

Used and recommended by ummmm me? Lane splitter mirrors.
http://www.constructorsrg.com/mirrors/hindsight_ls.html

There are serious issues arising from the OP's first post but alas the thread went pear shaped.
No problem, I'm going for a ride now so as to be back in time to watch the Superbikes. I'll read the rest when I get back:Playnice:

[swbarnett]

You mean like someone who's previoulsy had their wing mirror clipped by a poorly splitting motorcyclist?

:facepalm:
If damage was done then I agree. However, "no harn, no foul". Even if a driver's mirror has been previously removed by a biker they have no foundation to take offence over a genuine mistake that leaves no damage.


And I suppose you have no problem with people who can't push a supermarket trolley through a carpark without playing Pinball with the parked cars?
As long as that trolley leaves no marks and does no other damage, I have no problem at all. The fact of the matter is that two mirrors clipping would seldom do any damage at all. I would have a problem in the rare cases where damage is done if the biker makes no attempt to put things right.


To clip a wing mirror while filtering shows a distinct lack of skill.
No argument here. That's what defines a novice. Do you expect that we're all born consumate lane-splitters? I know I clipped a mirror two in the early stages. Haven't touched one for years now.


But to then defend the action as something of no consequence is morally repugnant.
As I said, no harm, no foul. Accept that we are human and, as such, fallible; especially in the "novice" stages.

[Madness]

Even if a driver's mirror has been previously removed by a biker they have no foundation to take offence over a genuine mistake that leaves no damage.

That'll be really comforting to the biker who finds themselves in A&E after making a "genuine mistake" eh?

Great point, thanks for posting it. :facepalm:



The fact of the matter is that two mirrors clipping would seldom do any damage at all.

This;


you can't hit two painted pieces of plastic together and expect no damage... a small tiny piece of paint it might be, BUT IT'S NOT YOUR FUCKING TINY PIECE OF PAINT TO DAMAGE. Sure a little scratch repair might be a bit precious, but that's their property and thus their right to get precious about.

[Maha]

It's a common misconception that, because a bike is lane splitting, every car at the go slow is watching out for bikes....this is not true.
But to answer the question?...sort of. I wasn't lane splitting at the time, I was eager to get to the front at a red light, my left mirror clipped the mirror on a van. Van was stopped.




To clip a wing mirror while filtering shows a distinct lack of skill.



Hey! I have done that...:rolleyes:
Never while splitting though, which is different that filtering...right? :msn-wink:
I didn't say sorry either.....I was bad arse that night.

[FJRider]

If damage was done then I agree. However, "no harn, no foul". Even if a driver's mirror has been previously removed by a biker they have no foundation to take offence over a genuine mistake that leaves no damage.

Any motorcyclist that lane splits or filters in traffic ... see's the clipping/smashing of mirrors (their own or "others") an occupational hazard. They ALL know it may (does) happen.

As such ... some (especially car drivers) see it as intentional damage.

[Madness]

Any motorcyclist that lane splits or filters in traffic ... see's the clipping/smashing of mirrors (their own or "others") an occupational hazard. They ALL know it may (does) happen.

It is a hazard to be avoided, just as having a head-on collision is a hazard to be avoided, admittedly with the latter likely to have much more serious consequences. It unfortunately may and does happen but that's not to say "shit happens".

It's ultimately about personal responsibility as a motorcyclist, which we all know is a concept sadly lost on so many in this day & age.

[Katman]

Nothing, not at all. You clearly just wanted to be a cock and have a go at winding up folks on the internet. What a assett to society. Thank your parents for me. Goodnight, I'm going to go dream of all the wing mirrors I'm going to knock off cars.

I'm sorry, what were you hoping for? To be repeatedly told "don't worry about it, it's perfectly ok to hit other people's vehicles"?

Here's the thing though, it's not ok to hit other people's vehicles. (Despite what some dickheads on here might say).

But I'm sure you knew that already.

[FJRider]

It is a hazard to be avoided, just as having a head-on collision is a hazard to be avoided, admittedly with the latter likely to have much more serious consequences. It unfortunately may and does happen but that's not to say "shit happens".

Burglars tend to believe an arrest is an occupational hazard ... to be avoided if possible too. But it's not the sort of thing you can always avoid ... in either situation ... by choice. (unless the choice is not doing it)

Having a head-on collision is unlikely while lane splitting/filtering on the motorway. Although in some situations ... it is possible ... if intersections are involved.

Shit" does indeed "happen" in motorcycling ... and if it hasn't happened to any motorcyclist yet ... give it time. There are enough chances of it happening on the open road.

[Madness]

Burglars tend to believe an arrest is an occupational hazard ... to be avoided if possible too. But it's not the sort of thing you can always avoid ... in either situation ... by choice. (unless the choice is not doing it)

Having a head-on collision is unlikely while lane splitting/filtering on the motorway. Although in some situations ... it is possible ... if intersections are involved.

Shit" does indeed "happen" in motorcycling ... and if it hasn't happened to any motorcyclist yet ... give it time. There are enough chances of it happening on the open road.

Come on FJ, now you're just posting for the sake of posting again. If you can't lane split without clipping the mirrors of other vehicles you shouldn't be splitting in the first place, end of fucking story.

If you're a burglar and get caught you deserve to be arrested, jailed and arse fucked repeatedly.

Post some more, you might get the OP's attention because we all know that's why you're posting to start with, eh?

[bosslady]

I'm sorry, what were you hoping for? To be repeatedly told "don't worry about it, it's perfectly ok to hit other people's vehicles"?

Here's the thing though, it's not ok to hit other people's vehicles. (Despite what some dickheads on here might say).

But I'm sure you knew that already.

Of course not, who would ever think it's ok. I have a conscience, and would you believe, a particularly good set of morals too. I think you took the passage you quoted out of context but no matter :) Some people answered my original post. Others just went on a rant. And groups of supposedly growned up men have been winding eachother up and feeding eachother B.S. for 2-3 days. Honestly... go ride your bikes, watch sueprbikes or something... fighting on the internet seems an incredible waste of energy...

[swbarnett]

That'll be really comforting to the biker who finds themselves in A&E after making a "genuine mistake" eh?
If someone ends up in A&E after makine a genuine mistake then it's not fault of that rider or any before. It is squarely the fault of the mind behind the attack. I am not my brother's keeper.


This;



you can't hit two painted pieces of plastic together and expect no damage... a small tiny piece of paint it might be, BUT IT'S NOT YOUR FUCKING TINY PIECE OF PAINT TO DAMAGE. Sure a little scratch repair might be a bit precious, but that's their property and thus their right to get precious about.

What a load of total and utter bullshit! I can touch two painted surfaces a million times and cause no paint transfer whatsoever. It's a matter of how fast they hit. Nowhere was the speed differential between mirrors mentioned. ALL the times (maybe twice) I clipped when I was new at lane-splitting the speed differential was not nearly enough to cause any paint transfer. I know because I checked!


Any motorcyclist that lane splits or filters in traffic ... see's the clipping/smashing of mirrors (their own or "others") an occupational hazard. They ALL know it may (does) happen.
Where did I say it was an occupational hazard? I, for one, have not clipped a mirror in years (and I split daily). What I said was that humans are fallible.


As such ... some (especially car drivers) see it as intentional damage.
Then they need to look up the definition of "intent".

[Madness]

And groups of supposedly growned up men have been winding eachother up and feeding eachother B.S. for 2-3 days. Honestly... go ride your bikes, watch sueprbikes or something... fighting on the internet seems an incredible waste of energy...

Welcome to KB, If you don't like what you read perhaps you should go ride your bike, clean the kitchen or something.

[Madness]

If someone ends up in A&E after makine a genuine mistake then it's not fault of that rider or any before. It is squarely the fault of the mind behind the attack. I am not my brother's keeper.

Geez, you're a bit slow, eh? If someone ends up in A&E as a result of their inability to control their motorcycle whilst splitting it's a pretty hard way for them to find out they've ridden beyond their capabilities. Pointng the finger of blame does nothing to reduce the potential harm inflicted when a biker comes off whilst splitting, either to themselves physically or to the perception that other motorists may hold towards motorcyclists in general.

[bosslady]

Welcome to KB, If you don't like what you read perhaps you should go ride your bike, clean the kitchen or something.

The same could be said for yourself, Madness. I've read and taken everything in, and not always necessarily agreed on some things esp. tact or lack thereof, which is ok, because were all allowed to have differing opinions. I've hardly been at home yesterday and today (HD) so certainly I do have better things to do. Ironically one of them is now vacuuming before the flatty gets back from HD... have fun....

[Madness]

The same could be said for yourself, Madness. I've read and taken everything in, and not always necessarily agreed on some things esp. tact or lack thereof, which is ok, because were all allowed to have differing opinions. I've hardly been at home yesterday and today (HD) so certainly I do have better things to do. Ironically one of them is now vacuuming before the flatty gets back from HD... have fun....

You can say what you like, just don't expect me to bite my tongue if I disagree and don't expect me to shut up at the request of others who think you may not be able to handle an honest and frank reply.

Don't forget behind the doors.

[Katman]

Of course not, who would ever think it's ok. I have a conscience, and would you believe, a particularly good set of morals too. I think you took the passage you quoted out of context but no matter :) Some people answered my original post. Others just went on a rant. And groups of supposedly growned up men have been winding eachother up and feeding eachother B.S. for 2-3 days. Honestly... go ride your bikes, watch sueprbikes or something... fighting on the internet seems an incredible waste of energy...

Going by your original post, I'm assuming you started this thread in the hope that people would tell you "don't worry about it, shit happens" and offer a means to lessen your sense of guilt.

If it's taught you a lesson of being more respectful of other road users that's the best you can hope for out of the thread.

Just don't listen to the cocks that claim the act of hitting mirrors as a right.

[bosslady]

You can say what you like, just don't expect me to bite my tongue if I disagree and don't expect me to shut up at the request of others who think you may not be able to handle an honest and frank reply.

Don't forget behind the doors.

Same here, take your own advice.


Going by your original post, I'm assuming you started this thread in the hope that people would tell you "don't worry about it, shit happens" and offer a means to lessen your sense of guilt.

If it's taught you a lesson of being more respectful of other road users that's the best you can hope for out of the thread.

Just don't listen to the cocks that claim the act of hitting mirrors as a right.

Then you assumed wrong, sorry :) no one in their right mind would want a pat on the back for clipping someone's car whether unintentionally or otherwise... and no it didn't teach me respect for other road users, this implies I had little or none to start with.

This thread seems to be going in circles. If y'all wanna assume that I wanted some kind of pity party or to feel that what I did was OK than no problem, that's fine with me :) Enjoy your evening...

[Madness]

Same here, take your own advice.

No need to sweetheart, vacuum cleaning's womens work.

[Maha]

No need to sweetheart, vacuum cleaning's womens work.

I do it in this household...and without a skirt on!

[Madness]

I do it in this household...and without a skirt on!

I rest my case.

[FJRider]

I do it in this household...and without a skirt on!

With just her knickers on you mean ... ???????? :blank:

[PrincessBandit]

Sigh. I think the OP was asking, as a fairly new rider, what people do when they have a clipping session. Most people are probably agreed that if you can't do it without causing damage you shouldn't be doing it, yet everyone has to start somewhere (their virgin splitting or filtering ride) and occasions of misjudged distances happen.

As for responses, they will range from the sublime to the ridiculous and I'm sure she's a sensible enough woman to sort the worthwhile replies from the mounds of shit that have, not too surprisingly, appeared.

In regards to cleaning, the only cleaning I've had to do for the last couple of days has been this thread. And i'm not wearing a skirt either while I do it.

[Madness]

This one's for Maha.

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[Maha]

With just her knickers on you mean ... ???????? :blank:
Depends on how hot it is...:cool:


This one's for Maha.



Arsehole, I was just going to search for that....:lol:

[FJRider]

Depends on how hot it is...:cool:





I very much doubt if anybody would describe that image as "Hot" ... :rolleyes: (Mom maybe)

[Maha]

I very much doubt if anybody would describe that image as "Hot" ... :rolleyes: (Mom maybe)

Now thats just ''splitting'' hairs....:rolleyes:

[Madness]

Arsehole

Do you need a clip?

[Maha]

Do you need a clip?

$200 deposited into my account will be suffice.

[swbarnett]

Geez, you're a bit slow, eh? If someone ends up in A&E as a result of their inability to control their motorcycle whilst splitting it's a pretty hard way for them to find out they've ridden beyond their capabilities. Pointng the finger of blame does nothing to reduce the potential harm inflicted when a biker comes off whilst splitting, either to themselves physically or to the perception that other motorists may hold towards motorcyclists in general.
Far from it.

Listen carefully.

Imagine a motorcyclist splits in heavy traffic. Said motorcyclist clips a car mirror. Slow speed impact. Mirror checked on the way through. No harm done, no need to stop.

Now, let's assume the driver is one of the prejudice dickheads of which you speak. Perhaps they have had their mirror actually damaged by a splitting motorcyclist in the past. They catch up to the motorcyclist and run them off the road. In NO WAY is the motorcyclist that clipped their mirror (without damage) or any that have done so in the past responsible for the state of mind of the driver that lead them to attempt murder.

I AM NOT MY BROTHER'S KEEPER! I refuse to live as if all that car drivers are thick enough to believe I am (although some of them certainly will be as they're only human).

What you are talking about is no different to tarring innocent members of any other group based on the actions of a minority. It is prejudice, pure and simple. The actions of other motorcyclists are in no way responsible for how you or I get treated when we simply happen to be in the vacinity of a bigget.

[swbarnett]

Just don't listen to the cocks that claim the act of hitting mirrors as a right.
I don't believe anyone is claiming this. Just that it does happen as we're all human and doesn't always warrant an exchange of insurance details.

[swbarnett]

I do it in this household...and without a skirt on!
I used to wear a skirt quite regularly. Long in the front and short in the back with an elastic hem.



Then I would sit down and paddle away.

[FJRider]

Now thats just ''splitting'' hairs....:rolleyes:

Are Lane splitters really just Go-betweens .. ?? :scratch:

[Madness]

Far from it.

Listen carefully.

Imagine a motorcyclist splits in heavy traffic. Said motorcyclist clips a car mirror. Slow speed impact. Mirror checked on the way through. No harm done, no need to stop.

Now, let's assume the driver is one of the prejudice dickheads of which you speak. Perhaps they have had their mirror actually damaged by a splitting motorcyclist in the past. They catch up to the motorcyclist and run them off the road. In NO WAY is the motorcyclist that clipped their mirror (without damage) or any that have done so in the past responsible for the state of mind of the driver that lead them to attempt murder.

I AM NOT MY BROTHER'S KEEPER! I refuse to live as if all that car drivers are thick enough to believe I am (although some of them certainly will be as they're only human).

What you are talking about is no different to tarring innocent members of any other group based on the actions of a minority. It is prejudice, pure and simple. The actions of other motorcyclists are in no way responsible for how you or I get treated when we simply happen to be in the vacinity of a bigget.

I think you must be on drugs.

Listen very carefully.

Actually don't bother as this forum has no audio. If you hear anything it'll be those pesky voices in your head again.

If a motorist is minding their own business in gridlock traffic and a biker clips their wing mirror whilst lane-splitting, regardless of wether damage has been done or not, they are likely to get annoyed. In my opinion and the opinion of normal, rational people everywhere this motorist is justified in being annoyed. They need not be a "bigget" or any other stereo-type to get annoyed as they were just a normal person minding their own fucking business when the biker physically hit their vehicle whilst splitting a lane the motorist was clearly already occupying. To suggest that if no insurance details need to be exchanged due to a lack of significant physical damage being done then there is no issue with occasionally clipping the odd mirror is incorrect. It is not o.k.

As for your denial of paint transfer following your extensive and exhaustive research (you did it twice and checked, presumably just your own mirror) that too is not the fucking point.

I'm going to paste what I posted earlier. I'm not sure if you read it or not, maybe you got distracted with all the Unicorns.

If you can't split without hitting the wing mirrors of cars you shouldn't be splitting in the first place. How would you like it if another splitting biker clipped your bike?

If a biker ends up in hospital as a result of an accident that occurred whilst they were splitting no moral self-justification or spiritual belief system (I'm struggling to describe your drivel here) will remove their physical pain or injury and the damage done to the perception of motorcyclists everywhere. They clearly fucked up, made a bad call or whatever - they shouldn't have been there, end of.

How do you think these "biggets" you speak of are created in the first place. Do you perhaps think they spent their formative years watching mummy & daddy holding up pictures of motorcycles saying "kill, kill, kill"?.

Lastly for what it's worth, I don't even know your brother. If he's anywhere near as thick as you appear I'm glad about that.

[awayatc]

I fuck up....often

Other people fuck up....all the time

you clip my mirror......

I fuck you up.....every time

That clear enough.....?

[FJRider]

claiming that I am claiming that I was just fishing when I suddenly realise that I am making myself look like a fuckwit doesnt make me any less like a fuckwit.....makes you look like a fuckwit

I don't think that post helped ... :lol:

[skippa1]

I don't think that post helped ... :lol:

im sure it didnt:eek:

doesnt really matter though aye.....its just the internet

[Maha]

I don't think that post helped ... :lol:

Reads more like confirmation to me :lol:

[dinosaur]

Arguing on KB is like cheating at the special Olympics - winning means what?

I lane split, why wouldn't you on a motorbike, its all part of the advantage

there a fuckwits in cars and on bikes, who knows why some of them have a hate on for bikers - lots of reasons, but there are also lots of fucked up units driving cars who throw a lot of hate toward buses, campervans, other cars

Tapping a wing mirror - haven't done it as far as I can remember - boot in the door of some arse who is slowely moving over so you can't get past - sure

[Jeff Sichoe]

Some of you spastics are acting like a wing mirror is your fucking kid or something

get over it, shit happens, your precious wing mirror will survive a whack or two, and if it doesn't - enjoy the ride down to pick a part to get a new one.

[imdying]

Some of you spastics are acting like a wing mirror is your fucking kid or something

get over it, shit happens, your precious wing mirror will survive a whack or two, and if it doesn't - enjoy the ride down to pick a part to get a new one.


Where do you park your bike Jeff?

[pzkpfw]

Some of you spastics are acting like a wing mirror is your fucking kid or something

get over it, shit happens, your precious wing mirror will survive a whack or two, and if it doesn't - enjoy the ride down to pick a part to get a new one.

The issue is more about the morality etc of banging other peoples mirrors.

If you don't care about your own mirrors, feel free to go to pick a part to get yourself one. Get two. Maybe three so you have a spare. Heck, upgrade to one with indimicators in it.

But do you have the "right" to force that on other people? (e.g. the car drivers it would help to stay on-side with?)

[Zedder]

The issue is more about the morality etc of banging other peoples mirrors.

If you don't care about your own mirrors, feel free to go to pick a part to get yourself one. Get two. Maybe three so you have a spare. Heck, upgrade to one with indimicators in it.

But do you have the "right" to force that on other people? (e.g. the car drivers it would help to stay on-side with?)

Yeah, what happened to respecting other peoples property and doing things right?

[Madness]

I love this thread.

[SNF]

I just take it slow through stationary traffic and try to pass on the right when traffic isn't parked all over the center line, then I go up the inside carefully, fuck sitting in traffic. So far no clipping, nothing. Had the odd idiot who decided they didn't like a bike in front of them, generally they seem to be okay.

When I'm in the car I don't mind, I move over for the bikers, if they wanna get in front they can cos like me when I'm on my bike 2 seconds later I'm gone. Although on the motorway I duck in and out of lanes (cautiously). Seriously hate it when 2 cagers are having a wanking competition side by side and you cant get past.

[swbarnett]

I think you must be on drugs.
Only if you class caffeine as a drug.


If a motorist is minding their own business in gridlock traffic and a biker clips their wing mirror whilst lane-splitting, regardless of wether damage has been done or not, they are likely to get annoyed. In my opinion and the opinion of normal, rational people everywhere this motorist is justified in being annoyed.
Do you get annoyed if someone bumps you in a crowd? While technically I agree with you, both are in the realm of "don't sweat the small stuff". If it happened several times a day to a given driver then that would be different.


As for your denial of paint transfer following your extensive and exhaustive research (you did it twice and checked, presumably just your own mirror) that too is not the fucking point.
Actually, I chceked their mirror, not mine. As I said I was going slow enough to do so.


I'm going to paste what I posted earlier. I'm not sure if you read it or not, maybe you got distracted with all the Unicorns.

If you can't split without hitting the wing mirrors of cars you shouldn't be splitting in the first place. How would you like it if another splitting biker clipped your bike?
It has happened to me on a bicycle. I ended up with a broken wrist. My attitude was that the act was obviously not intentional and the other cyclist obviously learnt from the experience so there was no point in hitting the roof.


If a biker ends up in hospital as a result of an accident that occurred whilst they were splitting no moral self-justification or spiritual belief system (I'm struggling to describe your drivel here) will remove their physical pain or injury and the damage done to the perception of motorcyclists everywhere.
Agreed. My body, my responsibility.


They clearly fucked up, made a bad call or whatever - they shouldn't have been there, end of.
Yes and no. If the damage is the result of being run off the road then the mirror clip was not the cause, merely the trigger.


How do you think these "biggets" you speak of are created in the first place. Do you perhaps think they spent their formative years watching mummy & daddy holding up pictures of motorcycles saying "kill, kill, kill"?.
Biggets are made in two ways. There is a possible genetic component and there is most probably an environmental one also. Daddy may not have bagged motorcycles specifically but they more than likely bagged one or other minority. This creates a prejudice mentality (i.e. a bigget). Motorcycles are just one other minority group that becomes a convenient outlet for that biggetry.


Lastly for what it's worth, I don't even know your brother. If he's anywhere near as thick as you appear I'm glad about that.
This is a reference to a biblical quote (not that I'm religious) to illustrate that we should not be held responsible for the actions of others.

[Jeff Sichoe]

Yeah, what happened to respecting other peoples property and doing things right?

For the record I was talking about genuine mistakes - Not riding recklessly, or pushing limits.

[arcane12]

Wow, this thread is an eye opener. Which is good, I'll have at least one eye on the road. I had a look on Friday, but it reall yblew out since then?

Anyway I have a question to those who do split - how often is there any damage, and what level of damage? a little paint transfer, or sometimes broken mirrors? I have never needed to split living in Hamilton, and I don't usually bother to filter (except my coffee) but if I ever had to ride in Auckland rush hour I might?

[Devil]

Anyway I have a question to those who do split - how often is there any damage, and what level of damage? a little paint transfer, or sometimes broken mirrors?

There is none.
(From a daily splitter).

[imdying]

For the record I was talking about genuine mistakes - Not riding recklessly, or pushing limits.

Who's making threats donut puncher? I've seen the public motorcycle parking in Wellington, how do you feel about someone scratching your bike when they park their scooter beside it? Surely that must be ok too, that would be a genuine mistake (born of carelessness and lack of ability, exactly like hitting mirrors).

[Jeff Sichoe]

Who's making threats donut puncher? I've seen the public motorcycle parking in Wellington, how do you feel about someone scratching your bike when they park their scooter beside it? Surely that must be ok too, that would be a genuine mistake (born of carelessness and lack of ability, exactly like hitting mirrors).

It happens. Usually it's the wind...

You know what tho? I don't have a freaking meltdown about it.

Yes, that's probably because my bike isn't exactly 'mint', and I would understand someone getting up in arms over, say, $2k in fairing damage, but we weren't talking about that. We were talking about a wing mirror being clipped.

I don't think i've read anyone here saying that they would ride off into the sunset if they caused visible damage to the mirror or casing. People were talking about 'clipping' ie no harm no foul. Hardly worthy of quotes such as


You're a piece of shit and I will celebrate your death through annual threads on here that quote this post. I hope you suffer under the wheels of a bus 7 hours from now.

however.

[imdying]

It happens. Usually it's the wind...You're full of shit, answer the question.


We were talking about a wing mirror being clipped.So what gives you the right to decide if damaging other peoples property at any level is ok or not? Because you in your arrogance has decided it's only a little bit? You're a fuckwit of the highest order...

[bluninja]

Anyway I have a question to those who do split - how often is there any damage, and what level of damage? a little paint transfer, or sometimes broken mirrors? I have never needed to split living in Hamilton, and I don't usually bother to filter (except my coffee) but if I ever had to ride in Auckland rush hour I might?

The only time I seem to split now is when it's my turn to buy the beers :lol:

When filtering or splitting I have never had a rub, bump, or scrape against another vehicle. I have gone through gaps so narrow that I've had to tilt my bike to lift my mirrors over the car wing mirrors (or under) to get through. Perhaps I should have popped a mono instead of weaving side to side?

[f2dz]

Wow, this thread is an eye opener. Which is good, I'll have at least one eye on the road. I had a look on Friday, but it reall yblew out since then?

Anyway I have a question to those who do split - how often is there any damage, and what level of damage? a little paint transfer, or sometimes broken mirrors? I have never needed to split living in Hamilton, and I don't usually bother to filter (except my coffee) but if I ever had to ride in Auckland rush hour I might?

I've hit one or two mirros splitting and I've never seen the damage because I've been going past. But judging by the amount my mirrors moved, and how un-tight they are, I doubt it could cause any damage whatsoever.

I know eh, this thread has gone off the rails.

In other news, I had a gang member on a cruiser behind me splitting this morning and he was keeping up really well so I decided to let him pass. Shock and awe, he waved to me as he did, and not just a piss poor one or two fingers up either: hand off; WAVE. He got through the smallest gaps on that giant thing too. Man has skills.

[PrincessBandit]

I think the real issue is damage. If you clip and don't damage (same as if someone bumps into me and I'm not injured) all good. If you break the damned thing off that's a whole different issue. Just as, if someone bumps into me (intentionally or otherwise) and I'm injured as a result then once more it's a whole lot of a bigger deal.

Level or degree of damage - there's your gray area. Some folk won't bat an eye at a wee paint scrape, others will throw a prize hissy. All this talk of "shit happens, get over it" might be fine if you own a pos vehicle and don't give a rats about adding to the general deteriorated look of it, but I'm picking there'd be a few on here who are in the "as long as it happens to someone else's car and not mine..." camp. Even more precious if it's their bike that gets a mauling.


There, go gnaw on that bone for a while.

[Katman]

The reality is that there is no way of knowing what degree of damage may have been done without stopping and going back and looking.

If there really is no damage then the very least that should be expected is an apology for your carelessness.

[FJRider]

Level or degree of damage - there's your gray area.

I thought the "Grey area" was the actual legality of lane splitting ... ???

[Maha]

I thought the "Grey area" was the actual legality of lane splitting ... ???

No the ''Grey area'' is where the paint has been chipped off by a passing biker....:cool:

[swbarnett]

Anyway I have a question to those who do split - how often is there any damage, and what level of damage?
My one and only piece of damage was to my pannier. I don't think the bottom of the flat-bed truck even noticed (although there may have been some of my plastic left on it, maybe I should've stopped and cleaned it off?). Other than that I've clipped a mirror a couple of times at very slow speed.

If a rider has been splitting for a while this sort of thing shouldn't happen regularly. If if does they need to go back to the drawing board and figure out what they're doing wrong.

[Coyote]

I was lane splitting next to some cheese graters, a year ago now. I stopped for an intersection (it was slow going ahead, I liked to let people out and onto the road), and a ute I had just passed hit the horn hard and flipped me off as he went through the intersection. He didn't like me stopping for someone else I guess.

As I caught up to him, he deliberately moved across and squeezed me toward the barrier. My elbow was against his door, my right handlebar grazing the top of the cheese graters. I gassed it and I put my let hand up into his mirror. All I could hear was a loud smack and the tinkling of glass.

I didn't wear that colour jacket again...

[Madness]

I think the real issue is damage. If you clip and don't damage (same as if someone bumps into me and I'm not injured) all good. If you break the damned thing off that's a whole different issue. Just as, if someone bumps into me (intentionally or otherwise) and I'm injured as a result then once more it's a whole lot of a bigger deal.

I disagree. That probably doesn't suprise you though, eh?

The bumping into people (person on person) is an interesting comparison to draw and one I've considered myself recenty. I came to the conclusion that for me it's an irrelevant comparison for the simple fact that pedestrians aren't expected to walk within marked lanes. Even supermarkets allow multiple shoppers to walk down a single aisle, even in opposing directions and often whilst pushing a badly handling trolley with snotty-nosed kids in tow. There is no temporary "ownership" of a supermarket aisle or footpath and as such it pays to keep your eyes open and your wits about you when walking in such areas and I think most of us will do this automatically because in this uncontrolled situation it's fair & reasonable to expect shit to happen occasionally.

When a vehicle is occupying a marked lane (usually when lane splitting occurs) that vehicle has the right to occupy that lane without the need to fear other motorists using that lane at the same time. Most motorists (in Auckland anyway) seem to tolerate bikers splitting, effectively sharing the lane temporarily as the biker squeezes past, many will even move over to make room. As a regular user of both SH1 and SH16 in peak Auckland traffic I'm accustomed to bikers splitting past me and I'm happy to share the lane I'm lawfully occupying with them, providing they don't hit my vehicle. For me the damage inflicted (or lack thereof) has little, if anything to do with it. Lane splitting is bending the rules of the road and if you're going to bend those rules you'd better be sure you're capable of doing so without causing me, or others any damage, annoyance or distress.

It's a matter of respecting other peoples property, space and rights to travel unimpeded provided they are following the rules.

Just for the meatheads out there; I'm not anti-splitting, I'm just suggesting that you do so without hitting other vehicles, regardless of wether damage is inflicted or not, or don't do it at all. Quite simple I would have thought.

[swbarnett]

how do you feel about someone scratching your bike when they park their scooter beside it?
If it results in any damage then I, for one, would expect them to rectify the situation. If none resulted then as you were.

[swbarnett]

So what gives you the right to decide if damaging other peoples property at any level is ok or not?
I don't believe that he said that any level of damage was OK. Just, by implication, that if it's not visible then there is no damage.

[swbarnett]

The reality is that there is no way of knowing what degree of damage may have been done without stopping and going back and looking.
Unless you're going slow enough in the first place. Mirrors touch - check for damage as theirs passes your torso. You could also pull into a slower lane and let them catch up.

[Madness]

I've hit one or two mirros splitting and I've never seen the damage because I've been going past. But judging by the amount my mirrors moved, and how un-tight they are, I doubt it could cause any damage whatsoever.

Next time you're splitting and a car moves across to impede your travel, or worse, you should consider it karma because that's exactly what it will be.

[Ocean1]

When a vehicle is occupying a marked lane (usually when lane splitting occurs) that vehicle has the right to occupy that lane

As far to the left as is practical.

In which case there'd be somewhat fewer problems with the splitting thing.

[FJRider]

Just, by implication, that if it's not visible then there is no damage.

By the same implication .... if nobody saw it ... it didn't happen ... right .. ?? :pinch:

[Katman]

Unless you're going slow enough in the first place. Mirrors touch - check for damage as theirs passes your torso. You could also pull into a slower lane and let them catch up.

That might be possible at walking pace.

Anything much over that and you're not going to have any opportunity of checking the mirror out as you go past.

[swbarnett]

I disagree. That probably doesn't suprise you though, eh?

The bumping into people (person on person) is an interesting comparison to draw and one I've considered myself recenty. I came to the conclusion that for me it's an irrelevant comparison for the simple fact that pedestrians aren't expected to walk within marked lanes. Even supermarkets allow multiple shoppers to walk down a single aisle, even in opposing directions and often whilst pushing a badly handling trolley with snotty-nosed kids in tow. There is no temporary "ownership" of a supermarket aisle or footpath and as such it pays to keep your eyes open and your wits about you when walking in such areas and I think most of us will do this automatically because in this uncontrolled situation it's fair & reasonable to expect shit to happen occasionally.

When a vehicle is occupying a marked lane (usually when lane splitting occurs) that vehicle has the right to occupy that lane without the need to fear other motorists using that lane at the same time.
Lane sharing is legal in NZ. If the lane is wide enough then two cars are legally allowed to travel side by side. A car is also allowed to overtake another vehicle (including bikes) using the same lane. This makes the comparison perfectly legit.

[swbarnett]

By the same implication .... if nobody saw it ... it didn't happen ... right .. ?? :pinch:
Only if there's no physical evidence either.

[Katman]

As far to the left as is practical.


Within a marked lane?

Do you just make this shit up?

[swbarnett]

That might be possible at walking pace.

Anything much over that and you're not going to have any opportunity of checking the mirror out as you go past.
Indeed, I wasn't doing much more than what I needed to stay upright.

[Ocean1]

Within a marked lane?

Do you just make this shit up?

Not sure if it specifies. You could always check.

[Katman]

Lane sharing is legal in NZ.

We should start doing a better job of it or it might not be for much longer.

[Katman]

Not sure if it specifies. You could always check.

I did check - it doesn't specify keeping 'as far to the left as practical' within a marked lane.

Clearly you just make this shit up.

[Madness]

As far to the left as is practical.

I quite often pull to the extreme right when travelling in lane 3 to provide as much room for bikers as is practical as in lane 3 they're splitting to my left.


Lane sharing is legal in NZ. If the lane is wide enough then two cars are legally allowed to travel side by side. A car is also allowed to overtake another vehicle (including bikes) using the same lane. This makes the comparison perfectly legit.

Pity the lanes often aren't wide enough to fit a car and a bike in simultaneously though, eh? Otherwise there would never be any mirrors clipped at all.

I'm not going to get into a debate over the legalities of lane sharing with you because quite frankly I can't be fucked and you're not much fun. The point is pretty simple I would have thought, if you're occupying a marked lane on the motorway you don't expect to have to share it with a car, bus or truck because that just doesn't work and most bus/car/truck drivers don't have the cheek to attempt it. Bikers do and the good ones do so successfully, the unskilled/ignorant ones often fail.

It doesn't make the comparison "legit" at all you twit.

[FJRider]

This makes the comparison perfectly legit.


If the splitting was being observed by a police officer .... and he/she deems it to be dangerous ... an infringement notice can be issued.

And there are rules to overtaking in the same lane.

[Madness]

Indeed, I wasn't doing much more than what I needed to stay upright.

So what was the point in splitting? So you could get to work a whole 2 minutes earlier?

W is for WIN!

[PrincessBandit]

Some of you spastics are acting like a wing mirror is your fucking kid or something

get over it, shit happens, your precious wing mirror will survive a whack or two, and if it doesn't - enjoy the ride down to pick a part to get a new one.

Sorry I forgot to add my name to the red I gave you for that idiotic statement - I usually add my name for n00bs so they know who's dishing it.

[Madness]

Sorry I forgot to add my name to the red I gave you for that idiotic statement.

I gave you one too, Fucknuckle. Have a nice day :niceone:

(Not you PB)

[Ocean1]

I did check - it doesn't specify keeping 'as far to the left as practical' within a marked lane.

Clearly you just make this shit up.

No, it was beat into me by the local driving instructor/policeman many years ago, chapter and verse. I see it's still there, but as a reference to unmarked roads.

Wheather or not, it's still a good idea not to obstruct traffic generally, and to keep as far away from opposing traffic as possible in particular.

[Ocean1]

I quite often pull to the extreme right when travelling in lane 3 to provide as much room for bikers as is practical as in lane 3 they're splitting to my left.

Yeah, me too. I was just pointing out that a hell of a lot of drivers don't move over, and I always wonder if they haven't seen me or if they have but simply don't think. Or if they're just being cnuts.

[Madness]

Yeah, me too. I was just pointing out that a hell of a lot of drivers don't move over, and I always wonder if they haven't seen me or if they have but simply don't think. Or if they're just being cnuts.

They aren't obliged to move over though, are they?

[Ocean1]

They aren't obliged to move over though, are they?

Don't look like it. Are they allowed to block us? Hold their line? What?

Think common courtesy dictates you should make room where it's safe, eh?

[Katman]

Think common courtesy dictates you should make room where it's safe, eh?

In much the same way that common courtesy dictates you should only lane split if you can do so without hitting other vehicles.

[Madness]

I bet the Nazi's managed to pull it off without clipping other vehicles.

:brick:

Someone had to do eet.

[Ocean1]

In much the same way that common courtesy dictates you should only lane split if you can do so without hitting other vehicles.

I'd have thought it came under the heading of not dying, rather than being impolite.

[swbarnett]

I quite often pull to the extreme right when travelling in lane 3 to provide as much room for bikers as is practical as in lane 3 they're splitting to my left.
I, for one, appreciate the thought.


Pity the lanes often aren't wide enough to fit a car and a bike in simultaneously though, eh? Otherwise there would never be any mirrors clipped at all.
If all cars were to the extreme left of the lane there would, on most of Auckland's motorways, be enough room for car and bike with some room to spare.


if you're occupying a marked lane on the motorway you don't expect to have to share it with a car, bus or truck because that just doesn't work and most bus/car/truck drivers don't have the cheek to attempt it. Bikers do and the good ones do so successfully, the unskilled/ignorant ones often fail.
Agreed.

I've recently moved to Tuakau and I'm now commuting to the Auckland CBD. I've found that a lot more cars than did on the Northern motorway do expect you to share their lane. A lot even make room.


It doesn't make the comparison "legit" at all you twit.
It does in the sence that the entire lane is not leagally "your space" anymore than a footpath is.

[swbarnett]

So what was the point in splitting? So you could get to work a whole 2 minutes earlier?
Auckland's Northern motorway at a compete standstill. A hell of a lot more than two minutes was saved. The particular gap I was travelling through was really a bit small. As I said, this was in the very early days.

[Madness]

The particular gap I was travelling through was really a bit small. As I said, this was in the very early days.

So you learned from your mistake at the expense of another motorist. At least you learned from it I suppose.



It does in the sence that the entire lane is not leagally "your space" anymore than a footpath is.

It's spelled SENSE and LEGALLY. Commiserations on Tuakau too, btw.

[Mom]

Fantastic shit! Dont stop you lot, this simply is the best read since I subscribed to Pointless Dribble for my shits and giggles :2thumbsup

[FJRider]

If all cars were to the extreme left of the lane there would, on most of Auckland's motorways, be enough room for car and bike with some room to spare.

Some may do ... but ... as has been said, they are not obliged to ... unless they are impeding the flow of traffic. (as opposed to impeding a motorcyclist)

[QUOTE=swbarnett;1130506192It does in the sence that the entire lane is not leagally "your space" anymore than a footpath is.

But the onus is still on the overtaking driver/rider to do it safely.

[Voltaire]

Hitler had far more pressing things to rant over than wing mirrors..... like when his Honda got destroyed...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaB40TLQE8M

[Devil]

I shouldn't be surprised by some of the attitudes in here.

I was brought up to respect other peoples shit. Thats the way it stays. That seems to be a quality that is sadly missing from many of late.

[swbarnett]

So you learned from your mistake at the expense of another motorist. At least you learned from it I suppose.
Hardly a high price on their part. I don't think they even noticed (although I can't be sure of this).


It's spelled SENSE and LEGALLY. Commiserations on Tuakau too, btw.
Damn! you caught me again. I really do hate the fact that the spell checker doesn't seem to work in Firefox.

[swbarnett]

Some may do ... but ... as has been said, they are not obliged to ... unless they are impeding the flow of traffic. (as opposed to impeding a motorcyclist)
Agreed. This was in response to the assertion that there wasn't room for a car driver to exercise common courtesy and keep left within their lane.


But the onus is still on the overtaking driver/rider to do it safely.
Totally. I never said otherwise. Just trying to say that clipping a wing mirror at a slow speed leaving no damage does not mean that the rider was riding in an unsafe manner. Just that they may have something to learn. I'm sure you were young once too.

[swbarnett]

I was brought up to respect other peoples shit.
So was I. And I still do.

[Katman]

Totally. I never said otherwise. Just trying to say that clipping a wing mirror at a slow speed leaving no damage does not mean that the rider was riding in an unsafe manner.

I don't think anyone has actually suggested that clipping a wing mirror, in the manner you've described, is unsafe.

What it is, is careless and if not adequately addressed by way of apology, then it becomes fucking ignorant.

It's that ignorance shown by many motorcyclists that is adding to the animosity shown towards us by many car drivers and is ultimately leading to creating a considerably less safe environment for us on the road.

[swbarnett]

I don't think anyone has actually suggested that clipping a wing mirror, in the manner you've described, is unsafe.

What it is, is careless and if not adequately addressed by way of apology, then it becomes fucking ignorant.
When's the last time you got an apology from a car driver that changed lanes on you? Certainly the only time I've got one is when I chased them down and had words.

It's not always possible, or safe, under the circumstances to offer an apology. I certainly would given the chance, and have done.

[FJRider]

Agreed. This was in response to the assertion that there wasn't room for a car driver to exercise common courtesy and keep left within their lane.

Some car drivers may see it as a common courtesy ... to be able pass them without taking out their mirror.
Own the lane is the advice given to motorcyclists ... no doubt car drivers think they should do the same.

[swbarnett]

Some car drivers may see it as a common courtesy ... to be able pass them without taking out their mirror.
Agreed. It goes both ways. If a car driver fucks up and starts changing lanes on me but returns to where they were when they hear my horn I don't sweat it. No harm, no foul. If they keep coming, however, that's a different matter.

Besides, we're talking about clipping a mirror. Not "taking it out".


Own the lane is the advice given to motorcyclists ... no doubt car drivers think they should do the same.
No doubt. I'm not expecting cars to move over or even claiming a right to a space in "their" lane. Just saying it can work and it's nice when the space is given.

[Mom]

Some car drivers may see it as a common courtesy ... to be able pass them without taking out their mirror.
Own the lane is the advice given to motorcyclists ... no doubt car drivers think they should do the same.

I dont take many risks on two wheels, but I will filter through traffic (albeit slowly) and I will lane split (again probably more slowly than many will) to take advantage of being on 2 wheels and to stop my engine from overheating as I dont have a radiator. I have held up the odd other biker "sorry about that" but I simply dont give a fat rats arse about that. I ride safely, for me, and not to piss off the car driver as a rule. Sometimes I get exposed to car drivers deliberately trying to scare/injure me. I can only assume it because other bikers have wound them up sufficiently :wait: